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# Session Start: Tue Jan 11 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:00] <thatryan> ha
# [00:00] <thatryan> when I took the driver test the manual was like 5 pages, now its a book
# [00:00] <tw2113> ech! radial gradients in webkit seem overly difficult
# [00:00] <paul_irish> wimp.
# [00:00] <antonkovalyov> i need a drivers license to be able to get zipcar that's it :)
# [00:00] <paul_irish> also they're changing.
# [00:00] <thatryan> bam
# [00:00] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: okay so
# [00:01] <paul_irish> i'm pretty sure.. i left my zipcar running last night when i parked
# [00:01] <paul_irish> i also left it unlocked
# [00:01] <paul_irish> and it was gone when i walked past it at 10pm
# [00:01] <paul_irish> and it looked like no one had rented it
# [00:01] <paul_irish> which means
# [00:01] <thatryan> what the hell is a zipcar lol
# [00:01] <paul_irish> someone stole a zipcar. and it was all my fault.
# [00:01] <antonkovalyov> wait, wtf
# [00:01] <paul_irish> ?g zipcar @ thatryan
# [00:01] <bot-t> thatryan, Car Sharing, an alternative to car rental and car ownership � Zipcar - http://www.zipcar.com/
# [00:01] <paul_irish> YEAH
# [00:02] <paul_irish> WHOOOOOPS
# [00:02] <antonkovalyov> how can they prove that it is your fault?
# [00:02] <thatryan> whoa weird!
# [00:02] <paul_irish> hahahh well.. i called up zipcar and i said "i left the car there but.. didnt have my car so i couldnt lock it"
# [00:02] <paul_irish> and he's like "well .. it looks like its running.. but thanks for returning it on time!"
# [00:02] <antonkovalyov> oh shit
# [00:02] <antonkovalyov> maybe they just took it
# [00:03] <thatryan> do you have to buy it if you lose it?
# [00:03] <antonkovalyov> have they contacted you yet?
# [00:03] <tw2113> ha! the person behind the firefox twitter account must be really bored...they replied to me
# [00:03] <thatryan> to say shutup?
# [00:03] <thatryan> :D
# [00:03] <tw2113> no that'd be paul_irish , and hasn't happened yet
# [00:03] <thatryan> lol
# [00:03] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: no but my phone is off. muhahahah
# [00:04] <thatryan> TICKETS!
# [00:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, haha
# [00:04] <thatryan> wait what
# [00:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, you are very calm person
# [00:04] <thatryan> man work is boring today
# [00:04] <paul_irish> aint that right.
# [00:05] <antonkovalyov> actually, paul_irish
# [00:05] <antonkovalyov> why do you even use zipcar?
# [00:05] <antonkovalyov> i thought google has cars to rent
# [00:05] <paul_irish> in mountain view
# [00:05] <paul_irish> i live in sf..
# [00:05] <antonkovalyov> you can't take google car from mv to sf?
# [00:05] <paul_irish> not gonna take a caltrain down to MV to get a car so i can drive to the Marina :)
# [00:06] <antonkovalyov> oh it was for a weekend?
# [00:06] <antonkovalyov> i see
# [00:06] <antonkovalyov> forgot that yesterday was sunday
# [00:06] <bckenny> the new won't let us take the mech suits out of mountain view either
# [00:06] <antonkovalyov> well... looks like it is time to switch to citycarshare for you, paul_irish
# [00:06] <bckenny> lame
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# [00:15] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, i think you need to contact them and/or police if the car was really stolen :)
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# [00:17] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: they definitely have tracking on the car
# [00:17] <antonkovalyov> oh yeah
# [00:17] <paul_irish> and.... my return was counted... so
# [00:17] <antonkovalyov> i forgot about that
# [00:17] <paul_irish> its like a rental car being stolen after you returned it to their lot
# [00:18] <paul_irish> aint my prob :)
# [00:18] <antonkovalyov> =)
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# [00:20] <paul_irish> ?wa time bucharest
# [00:20] <bot-t> paul_irish, 1:17:03 am EET : Tuesday, January 11, 2011
# [00:20] <paul_irish> go to sleep alrra :)
# [00:20] <alrra> :))
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# [00:44] <thatryan> does HTML5 support offline video caching?
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# [00:50] <dgathright> Do you mean like how browsers cache images?
# [00:53] <dgathright> I'd assume that's all up to the browsers and they obeying HTTP cache commands. I wouldn't expect videos to be handles any different than images, scripts, and other HTTP GETs. But, that's just a guess.
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# [00:53] <dgathright> s/they/them
# [00:54] <thatryan> its for an ipad only webapp
# [00:54] <paul_irish> up to the browser.
# [00:54] <paul_irish> look up cache limits.
# [00:54] <paul_irish> also.. probably not. unless its tiny
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# [00:56] <dgathright> Mobile Browser Cache Limits - http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/06/28/mobile-browser-cache-limits/
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# [00:59] <thatryan> wow mobile safari caches not much
# [00:59] <thatryan> guess 30MB vid is too big heh
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# [01:05] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, do you think this is good enough for pull request? https://github.com/antonkovalyov/jquery/commit/750cf17c51bf0596d7c8c25909d54db465f9da1a
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# [01:07] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: let me bring in the resident param expert.
# [01:07] <paul_irish> ben_alman: https://github.com/antonkovalyov/jquery/commit/750cf17c51bf0596d7c8c25909d54db465f9da1a
# [01:07] <ben_alman> wow, it's a whole channel for html5
# [01:08] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [01:08] <ben_alman> that doesn't sound like a $.param bug but instead an $.isArray bug
# [01:08] <antonkovalyov> oh true
# [01:08] <ben_alman> what if you do $.isArray({"jquery": "1.4.2"})
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# [01:09] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/gbf6ngaz-65c.png
# [01:09] <antonkovalyov> seems to work fine?
# [01:09] <ben_alman> isArray is used 18 places in the source
# [01:09] <ben_alman> hmmn
# [01:09] <ben_alman> looking again
# [01:09] <antonkovalyov> i take "oh true" back temporarily
# [01:10] <antonkovalyov> well
# [01:10] <antonkovalyov> isArray actually returns false
# [01:10] <antonkovalyov> bug is on the "|| a.jquery" part
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# [01:10] <ben_alman> gotcha
# [01:10] <antonkovalyov> you assume it is a jquery collection (or whatever you guys call it)
# [01:10] <ben_alman> i wonder what a.jquery is for
# [01:11] <antonkovalyov> i thought it is to catch things like $("div);
# [01:11] <ben_alman> well, wycats likes using duck typing for testing because it's faster, but as we can see in this case, it's retarded
# [01:11] <antonkovalyov> err $("div")
# [01:11] <ben_alman> instanceof could be used
# [01:11] <ben_alman> if ( jQuery.isArray(a) || a instanceof jQuery ) {
# [01:12] <ben_alman> i dunno if that'll fly but it should work reliably
# [01:12] <ben_alman> and i'd imagine it would work work with subclassing in the future
# [01:12] <antonkovalyov> i can change it to instanceof real quick
# [01:12] <antonkovalyov> and check if test still passes
# [01:12] <antonkovalyov> sec
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# [01:15] <antonkovalyov> errr
# [01:15] <antonkovalyov> my test suite broke
# [01:15] <antonkovalyov> i see only "jQuery Test Suite" and a blank page
# [01:15] <ben_alman> also, i don't see any unit tests that cover serialization of jquery objects, like a collection of form elements
# [01:16] <antonkovalyov> i forgot to rebuild
# [01:16] <ben_alman> and your indenation on line 831 of the ajax unit tests was inconsistent
# [01:16] <antonkovalyov> ok, instanceof seems to work
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# [01:16] <antonkovalyov> ben_alman: i'll revert the commit, change to instanceof and fix indentation
# [01:16] <antonkovalyov> ok?
# [01:17] <ben_alman> there also needs to be some kind of test where a jquery object is actually parsed with $.param
# [01:17] <ben_alman> which doesn't currently exist
# [01:17] <ben_alman> sec
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# [01:20] <ben_alman> there needs to be a test with something like
# [01:20] <ben_alman> jQuery.param( jQuery('#form :input') )
# [01:20] <ben_alman> because if what you've done breaks that there would be regressions
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# [01:20] <antonkovalyov> kk
# [01:20] <ben_alman> make sense?
# [01:20] <antonkovalyov> yeah
# [01:21] <antonkovalyov> sec
# [01:21] <ben_alman> ok, cool
# [01:21] <antonkovalyov> hm
# [01:25] <antonkovalyov> ben_alman, is this okay http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/8mrerpjuzzyj.png ? i checked that the result seems to be correct but i don't have any other non-manual way to generate that data without using jQuery.param
# [01:25] <ben_alman> i think so
# [01:25] <ben_alman> as long as the same code works before and after you're probably good.
# [01:26] <ben_alman> (in this case)
# [01:27] <antonkovalyov> i have shit tons of failures in tests
# [01:27] <antonkovalyov> but they happened before the change
# [01:27] <antonkovalyov> so i will just check if number of failures is the same :)
# [01:27] <ben_alman> well, you could always fork from when 1.4.4 was released
# [01:27] <ben_alman> and make your changes against that
# [01:27] <ben_alman> $.param hasn't changed since then, i'm sure
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# [01:28] <antonkovalyov> oh you mean to make sure that tests don't fail?
# [01:29] <ben_alman> yeah
# [01:29] <ben_alman> i dunno, i just like to be sure
# [01:29] <antonkovalyov> true
# [01:29] <ben_alman> but if you're not causing more errors than before, for a small method liek this, i bet it's ok
# [01:29] <ben_alman> if it was $.fn.html i'd maybe re-think ;)
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# [01:30] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
# [01:30] <antonkovalyov> even without changes
# [01:31] <antonkovalyov> 1.4.4 tests seem to fail
# [01:31] <antonkovalyov> pretty sure i do something wrong
# [01:33] <antonkovalyov> of course, name.php returns 404
# [01:34] <dgathright> Can anyone explain why Firefox & Chrome both have native support for prototype-like $ && $$ selectors? In Firebug, do a dir($) or dir($$) on a page with no JS loaded, and it returns the appropriate select by id & by css selector functions.
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# [01:37] <bckenny> dgathright: isn't that from firebug/dev tools?
# [01:37] <dgathright> Could be. Works in Chrome too
# [01:37] <bckenny> dgathright: http://getfirebug.com/wiki/index.php/Command_Line_API
# [01:37] <bckenny> yeah, supported there too
# [01:38] <dgathright> Ahhh.... interesting
# [01:38] <bckenny> i dont know what the story is, but it was a good day when i found out chrome had $0
# [01:38] <antonkovalyov> god damn how do i enable php on mac
# [01:39] <dgathright> bckenny: wow, neat
# [01:39] <bckenny> yeah, i was doing ridiculous work arounds
# [01:43] * dgathright feels really n00by that he just discovered the firebug API docs.
# [01:43] <dgathright> the event monitoring stuff will really be handy
# [01:45] <bckenny> ha, i was really late to the party as weel
# [01:46] <bckenny> i believe paul_irish's exact words were "duh"
# [01:48] <dgathright> I knew about things like dir, inspect, clear, etc... as I'd seen them referenced many places, but hadn't seen a full list.
# [01:49] <antonkovalyov> ben_alman, https://github.com/antonkovalyov/jquery/commit/e4b1b5cd8dcd4871b89b68c69385f489def69b6e
# [01:49] <ben_alman> "Make sure jQuery selectors are handled" -> "Make sure jQuery objects are properly serialized"
# [01:50] <ben_alman> but yeah, looks good :)
# [01:50] <antonkovalyov> my git hates me for so many --forces :)
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# [01:57] <antonkovalyov> ok pull request sent
# [01:57] <antonkovalyov> back to my actual duties :)
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# [02:02] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: nice work
# [02:02] <antonkovalyov> ty
# [02:02] <antonkovalyov> this is my second bugfix for jquery
# [02:02] <antonkovalyov> so proud of myself
# [02:02] * paul_irish _o/\o_ antonkovalyov
# [02:03] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [02:03] <ben_alman> thanks antonkovalyov
# [02:04] <antonkovalyov> np :)
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# [02:16] <mikew3c> paul_irish: about having IRC nicks for different channels on the same server, I just create two different connections
# [02:16] <mikew3c> in Colloquy
# [02:16] <paul_irish> ah i see.
# [02:16] <paul_irish> i was hoping it was more high-tech. :)
# [02:16] <mikew3c> heh
# [02:16] <mikew3c> nope
# [02:16] <paul_irish> groovy
# [02:17] <paul_irish> mikew3c: me, divya and some friends are putting out a site later this week about w3schools
# [02:17] <mikew3c> oh
# [02:18] <nimbupani> :)))
# [02:18] <mikew3c> interesting
# [02:18] <nimbupani> ?g github w3fools
# [02:18] <paul_irish> 1) clarifying that it has no connection to w3c, pointing out all the problems with it, pointing users to better sites/references/learning material
# [02:18] <bot-t> nimbupani, Links from everyone - Forrst - http://forrst.com/links
# [02:18] <nimbupani> wat
# [02:18] <nimbupani> ?g github paulirish w3fools
# [02:18] <bot-t> nimbupani, paulirish's Profile - GitHub - https://github.com/paulirish
# [02:18] <nimbupani> botty you fail me so miserably.
# [02:18] <mikew3c> w3jackasses
# [02:18] <paul_irish> it's currently online here. http://stage.w3fools.com login : ot / dashot
# [02:19] * mikew3c gives it a try
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# [02:20] <dgathright> "In fact the W3C has asked them to disavow any connection by explicitly stating they are unrelated. W3Schools refused. " While I believe it, is there a source that could be linked to?
# [02:20] <paul_irish> heh that's part of the reason i'm linking mike to it now
# [02:20] <nimbupani> paul_irish: does the staging have today's updates :/
# [02:20] <paul_irish> yup.
# [02:21] <nimbupani> i see my p removed!
# [02:21] <paul_irish> nimbupani: there's been a lot since your last. ben truyman messed with yr vertical rhythm i think
# [02:21] <nimbupani> :'((((
# [02:21] <nimbupani> FINE i will fix it again
# [02:21] <mikew3c> wow, looks great
# [02:21] <mikew3c> "Bad education hurts."
# [02:21] <paul_irish> :)
# [02:21] <nimbupani> neat idea the fixed footer
# [02:22] <paul_irish> "W3Schools.com is not affiliated with the W3C. In fact the W3C has asked them to disavow any connection by explicitly stating they are unrelated. W3Schools refused." mikew3c, IS there anything concrete i can put here.. :/
# [02:22] <paul_irish> [citation needed] ;)
# [02:22] <mikew3c> no there's not
# [02:23] <mikew3c> but I think you could qualify it with "We've heard that the W3C has asked them…"
# [02:23] <mikew3c> I suppose
# [02:23] <paul_irish> i'd imagine you wouldnt be too keen on ", according to Michael™ Smith of the W3C" :)
# [02:23] <mikew3c> heh
# [02:23] <mikew3c> no, I am in enough trouble with my managment already
# [02:23] <paul_irish> :) that's fine
# [02:23] <mikew3c> :)
# [02:27] <mikew3c> paul_irish: btw, I've turned of tweeting for spec checkin notifications to twitter @html5
# [02:27] <mikew3c> *turned off
# [02:28] <mikew3c> because anne got @whatwg working again
# [02:28] <paul_irish> score. that works
# [02:28] <mikew3c> and I'm thinking about turning off the automated retweeting of Planet HTML5 also
# [02:28] <paul_irish> you see your "legendary" prefix on the new developers. site?
# [02:28] <mikew3c> heh
# [02:29] <mikew3c> yeah
# [02:29] <mikew3c> Ben has a great sense of humor
# [02:29] <paul_irish> mikew3c: yeah it might be worthwhile to kill the automated RTs.. :/
# [02:29] <mikew3c> ok
# [02:29] <mikew3c> will do
# [02:29] <dgathright> General feedback: I'd like the purpose of the site to be more of a challenge to w3schools to improve (aside from a sub-point under "What should be done"). That's something the developer community can actually rally behind. It has a stronger "call to action" than "Here's some better sites for you to use for reference." considering most of the people that use w3schools.com arrive there by a search engine.
# [02:29] <dgathright> In all though, I like it so far. :)
# [02:30] <paul_irish> dgathright: yeah in fact it's a lot more like that challenge than it was 3 days ago.. :)
# [02:30] <paul_irish> but i'm totally with you.
# [02:31] <paul_irish> how do you think that could be better clarified
# [02:31] <paul_irish> (before it was a big YOU SUCK page. now we've focused on being constructive... i guess we learned a little something from our 5th grade teachers. :)
# [02:32] <dgathright> I'll think about it some more. Is the content work still being done off the google doc, or elsewhere (git?)?
# [02:33] <paul_irish> dgathright: https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools you can either do a pull req or throw an issue up there.. and we can work from that
# [02:33] <dgathright> cool
# [02:33] <thatryan> paul_irish: are you in jquery channel also?
# [02:33] <paul_irish> thatryan: not atm
# [02:34] <thatryan> paul_irish: i think you should go in there, some super awesome dude has a question :D
# [02:35] <nimbupani> .seen super awesome dude
# [02:35] <nimbupani> oops hsbot just quit :/
# [02:35] <thatryan> lol im doing something stupid wrong, http://pastie.textmate.org/1447042 need to toggle child items on click for nav, but return false kills it
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# [02:39] <dgathright> paul_irish: I'd also have a lawyer look it over to make sure there's no chance of defamation lawsuits. They'd be idiotic to go that route, but you never know. I'm sure someone in the community is, or has a lawyer-friend that could give us any advice.
# [02:39] <ben_c> You guys seen this: http://weavesilk.com/ ?
# [02:40] <paul_irish> pretty hot, ben_c.
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# [02:40] <ben_c> thanks, and what about the link?
# [02:40] <paul_irish> is that a joke
# [02:41] <ben_c> I hope so
# [02:41] <paul_irish> ✌
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# [02:44] <thatryan> whoa what the crap
# [02:44] <thatryan> accidentaly clicked and drug this channel and it "poofed" away lol
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# [02:54] <mikew3c> http://blog.mozilla.com/dmandelin/2010/12/08/crankshaft/ is worth reading
# [02:54] <mikew3c> dunno how I missed that one
# [02:55] <mikew3c> 「 In the words of David Anderson, “The game’s back on.”」
# [02:55] <mikew3c> great to see JS engine teams continue to motivate each other to get even faster
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# [03:44] <grantg> I can haz HTML5 GameBoy Color?
# [03:44] <grantg> Yeshhh - https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online
# [03:45] <grantg> lol
# [03:45] <grantg> paul_irish: Still on the https://github.com/explore page
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# [04:01] <paul_irish> grantg: shouldnt there be text somewhere on like... how one would get ROMs to play with?
# [04:02] <paul_irish> cuz i'm honestly clueless on that bit
# [04:02] <grantg> heh
# [04:02] <grantg> go to doperoms.com or something
# [04:03] <paul_irish> you should document that
# [04:03] <grantg> and input the .gb or .gbc file into the emu
# [04:03] <grantg> I thought I didn't have to
# [04:03] <grantg> (document that)
# [04:03] <snover> paul_irish: not legal.
# [04:04] <snover> document how to get some public domain whatevers.
# [04:04] <paul_irish> I've heard googling for "gameboy roms" reveals some.
# [04:04] <paul_irish> is that illegal? ^
# [04:05] <snover> say “public domain gameboy roms” instead and you’ve got a deal :D
# [04:05] <grantg> heh
# [04:05] <snover> or
# [04:05] <snover> “homebrew gameboy roms”
# [04:06] <grantg> I still can't get over the fact it's topping GIT
# [04:06] <paul_irish> people like it.
# [04:07] <paul_irish> i cant believe it's topping git despite not having a point and click demo
# [04:07] <paul_irish> ha
# [04:07] <grantg> lol
# [04:08] <grantg> whoa
# [04:08] <grantg> https://github.com/timcameronryan/mug might come in handy for a fork or branch of the emu
# [04:08] <grantg> compile it to java FTW
# [04:10] <paul_irish> that is some crazy shit
# [04:11] <snover> christ, trying to do something like an emulator in JS sounds like a new type of hell
# [04:12] <grantg> it is
# [04:12] <snover> dealing with binary number representation alone is a huge pain in the ass
# [04:12] <grantg> no int, char, byte, double, float
# [04:12] <grantg> just an ambiguous "var"
# [04:12] <grantg> one second a string, another second a number
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# [04:14] <paul_irish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_midwinter_animal_mass_death_events
# [04:15] <snover> paul_irish: confirmation bias
# [04:16] <snover> paul_irish: It’s going to be nonstop conspiracy theories until the end of next year :\
# [04:17] <grantg> Maybe the Republicans just don't give a damn about the environment?
# [04:17] <grantg> ;)
# [04:17] <dgathright> "These deaths are suspected to be the result of hypothermia in the UK's coldest December in 120 years" Serves them right for deciding to live in the water.
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# [04:18] <paul_irish> ?w confirmation bias
# [04:18] <bot-t> paul_irish, Confirmation bias - Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
# [04:20] <grantg> Gifford died?
# [04:20] <paul_irish> ruh roh
# [04:21] <grantg> heh
# [04:21] <grantg> The fox news machine is at it again by turning around the shooting story against the dems
# [04:21] <grantg> >.<
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# [04:22] <grantg> heh
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# [04:24] <paul_irish> grantg: https://twitter.com/#!/html5/status/24659452586102784
# [04:24] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/fIrsXS @html5 -- GameBoy Color Emulator in JavaScript: from @grantgalitz http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online
# [04:24] <grantg> nice
# [04:25] <grantg> http://imgur.com/2ai9f
# [04:26] <Brodingo> oh what
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# [05:34] <paul_irish> wow http://www.mint.com has a bunch of boilerplate action in it
# [05:38] <thatryan> they even left your comments in it :)
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# [05:46] <tw2113> this is hot
# [05:46] <tw2113> http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/
# [05:48] <thatryan> lol that is awesome
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# [05:49] <thatryan> thanks there went productivity tonight
# [05:50] <tw2113> welcome
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# [05:54] <tw2113> apparently the latest version of google goggles can solve sudoku puzzles too
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# [05:57] <thatryan> paul_irish: can i have a form submit data, but just save it locally to grab later?
# [05:57] <paul_irish> yes.
# [05:57] <thatryan> not sure why i sent that to you sorry
# [06:00] <thatryan> could ya point me in a direction? :D
# [06:02] <paul_irish> you want it to submit.. and also cache locally?
# [06:04] <paul_irish> thatryan: ?
# [06:05] <thatryan> well where this will be run, at a trade show, i cant depend on the net. so i want them to be able to hit submit, or save, and then instead of processing, it will just save the data i can grab later
# [06:05] <thatryan> make any sense?
# [06:05] <paul_irish> o.
# [06:05] <paul_irish> i see.
# [06:06] <paul_irish> what do you think its gonna look like
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# [06:06] <thatryan> what do you mean
# [06:07] <thatryan> the saved data?
# [06:07] <paul_irish> no. the code
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# [06:08] <thatryan> no idea ;) this is for a sencha touch app
# [06:08] <nimbupani> neet shit on mint.com
# [06:08] <paul_irish> thatryan: wimp
# [06:08] <paul_irish> this is the last time i give you code.
# [06:09] <thatryan> ha!
# [06:09] <paul_irish> http://pastie.org/1447389
# [06:10] <thatryan> ooohh thanks paul, ive never seen this before :D
# [06:15] <tw2113> it's the last time paul will give you code, thatryan, just like earlier was the last time he'll /kick me
# [06:15] <thatryan> first and last time :(
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# [06:51] <tw2113> anyone else think that javascript is getting so powerful that it's scary?
# [06:51] <nimbupani> its too late tw2113
# [06:51] <tw2113> ah you did that last week :D
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# [06:53] <tw2113> if only we could go back 10-15 years and tell that generation how javascript would make a huge comeback
# [06:53] <tw2113> we'd be called witches
# [06:53] <tw2113> and that's just for the time travel ability
# [06:53] <tw2113> either that or we'd be held ransom for Doctor Emmett L. Brown
# [06:54] <thatryan> paul_irish: you know Doug Neiner right?
# [06:54] <paul_irish> ya
# [06:54] <thatryan> guess hes in the hospital right now :(
# [06:54] <paul_irish> where how link plz
# [06:54] <paul_irish> and i just sent him a bitchy email!
# [06:55] <paul_irish> he's just trying to get out of doing work.
# [06:55] <thatryan> ha, you ass! ;)
# [06:55] <thatryan> https://twitter.com/#!/dougneiner/status/24698806801014784
# [06:55] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/ecTgVc @dougneiner -- At the emergency room waiting to be seen. In horrible pain. I think a tore a muscle off my rib.
# [06:55] <bot-t> (55 mins 30 secs ago) <coldhead> tell twitterhapy i love you
# [06:55] <tw2113> i bet its easier to list who paul doesn't know, than it is to list who he does
# [06:55] <thatryan> and I just skyped with his ass like 2 hours ago. hope he ok
# [06:55] <tw2113> met the pope yet paul?
# [06:55] <tw2113> did he kiss your feet :)
# [06:55] <paul_irish> i do know many people on the internet.
# [06:55] <paul_irish> he's not on the internet.
# [06:56] <tw2113> i heard the vatican was getting 56k installed once
# [06:56] <tw2113> they announced it on twitter
# [06:56] <paul_irish> http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_irish/83153959/lightbox/
# [06:56] <thatryan> lol nice
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# [06:57] <tw2113> this is why society is doomed http://www.todaysbigthing.com/music/2011/01/10
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# [06:59] <tw2113> ugg flash based sites make michael want to smash
# [07:00] <paul_irish> he's overweight. likely attributable to the US's ignorant farm policy.
# [07:00] <paul_irish> other than that. i see nothing wrong with it.
# [07:00] <tw2113> you ke$ha fan
# [07:00] <paul_irish> he can sing pretty good!
# [07:02] <tw2113> i kind of can't wait till march 1st
# [07:02] <tw2113> we're moving into new office digs that day, and bossman is working to trick the place out for us
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# [07:03] <tw2113> jacine you do drupal right?
# [07:03] <jacine> tw2113: hi :) yup.
# [07:04] <tw2113> yay! it's jacine! the sexiest (and only) drupal developer i know
# [07:05] <tw2113> had to clarify before i made a dummy out of myself
# [07:05] <jacine> haha! :P
# [07:05] <thatryan> (please let jacine be a girl, please let jacine be a girl, please let jacine be a girl)
# [07:05] <thatryan> otherwise tw2113 you are odd :p
# [07:06] <nimbupani> only drupal dev?
# [07:06] <jacine> LOL, yes I am a chick. tw2113 is a lil odd anyway :)
# [07:06] <nimbupani> +100 on that
# [07:06] <jacine> hehe :)
# [07:06] <thatryan> lol
# [07:06] <thatryan> phew
# [07:06] <nimbupani> there are a few girls here thatryan
# [07:06] <nimbupani> if you did not know.
# [07:06] <tw2113> nimbupani and jacine are the two i know
# [07:07] <nimbupani> people come and go.
# [07:07] <thatryan> chicks? on the INTERNET?
# [07:07] <thatryan> lol :p
# [07:07] <tw2113> no girls get on the internet
# [07:07] <tw2113> they get on the world wide web
# [07:07] <thatryan> nah, i just said that because tw2113 said sexy HA
# [07:07] <thatryan> had to make sure ;)
# [07:07] <nimbupani> nothing odd about sexy men is there?
# [07:07] <tw2113> i'm hurt that you wouldn't trust my judgement
# [07:08] <thatryan> should be expected no? :/
# [07:08] <thatryan> muahahaha
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# [07:09] <thatryan> hey its that guy
# [07:13] <tw2113> woo! breaking my live site
# [07:14] <tw2113> it appears, my doctype sniffing may cause too much lag
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# [07:15] <alcuadrado> is there any stat about which is the % of websockets enabled users?
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# [07:15] <alcuadrado> chrome's users only currently, right?
# [07:18] <tw2113> damn it
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# [07:31] <thatryan> damn its cold out, glad my house has a fireplace
# [07:31] <tw2113> does a server have to have cURL set up to use it?
# [07:33] <tw2113> nevermind, answered it myelf
# [07:33] <tw2113> self*
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# [07:43] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: yeah chrome only at the moment.
# [07:43] <alcuadrado> is there any estimation about when the next version of the protocol will be available? (and getting firefox and opera enable websockets :)
# [07:45] <paul_irish> chrome is going to ~04 i believe
# [07:45] <paul_irish> probably for... m11
# [07:45] <paul_irish> a while for ff and op
# [07:45] <paul_irish> iunno more than that. you'd have to check the hybi list and the moz bug tracker
# [07:46] <snover> paul_irish: ~04?
# [07:46] <alcuadrado> what do you mean by "~04"?
# [07:46] <alcuadrado> and thanks =)
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# [07:47] <paul_irish> 03.
# [07:47] <paul_irish> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-03
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# [07:50] <tw2113> paul_irish you may get the last laugh on me
# [07:50] <tw2113> that doctype stuff i figured out isn't working out for my own need
# [07:51] <tw2113> it's giving me 500 errors
# [07:51] <alcuadrado> I thought the current version was something like 75 :p
# [07:51] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: it was 76. but now its back to 00 through 03
# [07:52] <alcuadrado> I see
# [07:52] <alcuadrado> so chrome currently has v76 implemented, right?
# [07:55] <paul_irish> http://bit.ly/chromestatus
# [07:55] <paul_irish> yes i believe so
# [07:57] <alcuadrado> nice, thanks for that link!
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# [08:05] <thatryan> stop it
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# [08:06] <tw2113> no
# [08:07] <tw2113> :D
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# [08:12] <antonkovalyov> is he serious? https://github.com/jquery/jquery/pull/174#issuecomment-668326
# [08:12] <antonkovalyov> "I don’t know of any legitimate reason offhand why you would be adding a jquery property to an object that you pass to jQuery.param"
# [08:13] <nimbupani> ask snover in #jquery
# [08:13] <nimbupani> oops he is not there :/
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# [08:19] <antonkovalyov> i am gonna create a ticket
# [08:23] <tw2113> i feel like the only person who has ever needed to sniff out a doctype and do stuff based on which one
# [08:23] <tw2113> cause google has nothing for me
# [08:25] <paul_irish> tw2113: why do you have to do stuff based on doctype
# [08:26] <tw2113> microformat stuff
# [08:26] <tw2113> html5 moved the profile declarations off the <head> tag
# [08:27] <tw2113> if it has the 5 doctype, i'd just echo the link out to wp_head()
# [08:27] <paul_irish> you wanna know html5 doctype vs anything else?
# [08:27] <tw2113> if not, give a note saying where to put the link
# [08:28] <tw2113> and i figure anyone bothering to download something with microformats, is going to know how to edit this stuff
# [08:28] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, should i use github issues for jquery or do you still use old bugtracker?
# [08:28] <paul_irish> old
# [08:29] <paul_irish> http://bugs.jquery.com
# [08:29] <paul_irish> tw2113: document.documentElement.previousSibling works nicely in webkit.
# [08:29] <antonkovalyov> oh god
# [08:29] <paul_irish> probly have to traverse some whitespace in some cases.
# [08:29] <antonkovalyov> this scary new warning message is
# [08:29] <antonkovalyov> scary
# [08:29] <paul_irish> very
# [08:30] <tw2113> at the moment, i'm close to leaving a note at the top of the widget with the instructions for any doctype
# [08:33] <tw2113> if i get bitchy, i'm sorry, i'm just a bit frustrated :D
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# [08:37] <obert-> tw2113> html5 moved the profile declarations off the <head> tag ??
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# [08:37] <tw2113> yup
# [08:38] <obert-> no idea what you're talking about :)
# [08:39] <obert-> is it something related to html5 jquery and wp?
# [08:39] <tw2113> nope
# [08:39] <tw2113> well, just html5
# [08:39] <obert-> didnt gotcha then
# [08:39] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg05813.html
# [08:39] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell snover http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg05813.html ~04 !! :)
# [08:39] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
# [08:40] <tw2113> obert- long story short, i wanted to make a widget that creates a client-proof hcard
# [08:40] <thatryan> client proof, lol
# [08:40] <tw2113> they enter the info needed, they don't get access to the classes
# [08:41] <obert-> wtf is a client proof?
# [08:41] <tw2113> they can't fuck shit up
# [08:41] <obert-> ??
# [08:42] <tw2113> ever seen a case of "how do i copy/paste?"
# [08:42] <antonkovalyov> "Trac thinks your submission might be Spam"
# [08:42] <antonkovalyov> :'-( jQuery does not like
# [08:42] <tw2113> similar thing, i'm dumbing this down as much as possible
# [08:42] <obert-> ...
# [08:42] <antonkovalyov> ok done
# [08:42] <alcuadrado> thanks for that link paul_irish!
# [08:42] <tw2113> if they can't figure out how to type their own name...they shouldn't be using WordPress
# [08:42] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: leave the link on the pull req
# [08:43] <antonkovalyov> kk
# [08:43] <obert-> i think that would be a bad choice by who tips wp to them
# [08:43] <obert-> almost people are asking for stuff that they dont need
# [08:44] <tw2113> clearly if they know what they're downloading, they aren't completely stupid, but at the same time, they may not want to deal with the hassle of setting up the hcard classes
# [08:44] <tw2113> also, i may use it for client sites at work, when possible
# [08:45] <tw2113> i snuck a small hcard in earlier *snickers*
# [08:51] <alcuadrado> paul_irish, int he link you gave me ( http://www.chromium.org/developers/web-platform-status ), what does m4, m5, m6, etc mean?
# [08:51] <alcuadrado> the chrome releases?
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# [08:51] <paul_irish> ya
# [08:52] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, just curious, how my position is relevant to the ticket?
# [08:52] <antonkovalyov> the bug is a bug no matter who filled it :)
# [08:53] <paul_irish> i agree but xdomain 3rd party widgets is always a fun area
# [08:53] <paul_irish> iunno. i think the context helps illuminate the use case
# [08:54] <alcuadrado> thanks again paul, you are da man Y)
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# [10:07] <blbrown_win3> can you compress html5 files into one archived set of code?
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# [10:19] <beevi7> you can embed your images inline
# [10:19] <beevi7> base64 encoded
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# [13:22] <daleharvey> blbrown_win3: there is chm, but they kinda suck
# [13:23] <daleharvey> I would love a portable html format as well
# [13:23] <blbrown_win3> daleharvey, I come from a Java background (don't judge, don't judge) and I like the concept of jarred java classes. I was hoping there was something for html5
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# [14:02] <jetienne> blbrown_win3: there is a bit of that in the offline manifest thing
# [14:03] <jetienne> btw i liked .chm to store docs. light on rescources + hyperlink
# [14:09] <blbrown_win3> jetienne, what is the issue with them
# [14:10] <jetienne> blbrown_win3: them = ?
# [14:10] <blbrown_win3> "there is chm, but they kinda suck"
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# [14:11] <jetienne> blbrown_win3: this is from daleharvey, ask him. i dunno chm well, but as a user i liked chm
# [14:11] <blbrown_win3> sorry
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# [16:07] <craigbarnes> paul_irish, are you going to put that guys boilerplate generator on the website?
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# [16:42] <sean`> So.. <nav> should be allowed in <footer>
# [16:42] <sean`> semantically
# [16:43] <felcom> anywhere there's navigation, from what it seems like, yeah
# [16:44] <Michael> ? header#mast nav li*5>a
# [16:44] <bot-t> :header: Selects all elements that are headers, like h1, h2, h3 and so on. http://api.jquery.com/header-selector/#mast nav li*5>a
# [16:44] <Michael> hmm
# [16:44] <Michael> bot-t, needs zen support!
# [16:44] <bot-t> Michael, Custom Query � jQuery Core - Bug Tracker - Group results by Component Milestone Owner Priority Reporter Resolution Status Type Version descending http://bugs.jquery.com/query?milestone=1.5&group=status&order=summary
# [16:44] <Michael> bot-t, stop.
# [16:44] <bot-t> Michael, .stop() - Stop the currently-running animation on the matched elements. http://api.jquery.com/stop/
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# [17:09] <davidmurdoch> It is another binary day 01/11/11 11:11:11 am (EST)
# [17:10] <davidmurdoch> add 4 leading 0s and you get: ÿ
# [17:10] <davidmurdoch> weird.
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# [17:11] <davidmurdoch> add 4 trailing 0s and you get: ð
# [17:11] <davidmurdoch> what does it mean?
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# [17:12] <nimbupani> it means you are not busy enough.
# [17:13] <davidmurdoch> If you don't put the correct numbers of characters in the Binary/Text Conversion it says: "Error: Malformed binary. Your binary code is must be divisible by 8."
# [17:13] <davidmurdoch> Yah, I is must get back to work.
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# [17:17] <Noxxy> So I made a html5 website for learning purposes, and opened it in IE8. Is there any way to get the "for your protection, we've blocked a script from running." alert to not happen?
# [17:18] <Noxxy> like, somehow tell the browser the script is safe and just use it? D:
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# [17:18] <davidmurdoch> try asking on stackoverflow.com.
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# [17:19] <Noxxy> thought this would be faster :p.
# [17:19] <Noxxy> thanks :3
# [17:19] <tw2113> IE chokes on text if you give it enough
# [17:19] <davidmurdoch> IE chokes. Period.
# [17:19] <Noxxy> IE should choke and die. period. >.>
# [17:19] <davidmurdoch> yah, but if I answer you here I don't get any rep points. I NEED those points for, um. hm.
# [17:21] <Noxxy> lols. True true.
# [17:21] <tw2113> whooptidoo @ iphone on verizon
# [17:21] <Noxxy> It's not that big of a deal. I'll assume most IE users are used to clicking on the little yellow box anyway.
# [17:22] <tw2113> i should really stop risking my temporary crown with hard candy in my mouth period
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# [17:25] <davidmurdoch> Anything special about the iPhone on Verizon?
# [17:25] <Noxxy> not really. it's not LTE though :\
# [17:25] <davidmurdoch> tw2113, you should try an apple. Or some caramel! Or a caramel covered apple!
# [17:26] <tw2113> maybe in a month or more
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# [17:26] <tw2113> i imagine i'll have to wait 3 weeks after the permanent is in to really start testing that one too
# [17:26] <davidmurdoch> does Iphone still have the webfonts bug?
# [17:26] <tw2113> isn't that iOS?
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# [17:27] <davidmurdoch> mobile safari
# [17:27] <Noxxy> david: apparently the verizon iphone works as a hotspot too, up to 5 devices can connect to it via wifi
# [17:28] <davidmurdoch> but you have to pay extra to use it.
# [17:28] <davidmurdoch> at least you do on droid x
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# [17:28] <Noxxy> yep
# [17:28] <davidmurdoch> unless you root it. muahahaha
# [17:28] <Noxxy> btw, i have a new ipod i can test your webfonts bug on if you like.
# [17:31] <davidmurdoch> eh, i found it on a site I did months ago. The client was showing his portfolio to a client on an iPad then BOOM, mobile safari completely crashed. So now, mobile safari just doesn't get fancy fonts.
# [17:31] <skyler_brungardt> Jailbreak it and I'm sure it'll be free
# [17:31] <skyler_brungardt> Use MiWi 4
# [17:31] <davidmurdoch> thanks though.
# [17:31] <davidmurdoch> ok, I seriously am going back to work now.
# [17:31] <Noxxy> np
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# [17:33] <Noxxy> Hm. I just tested one of my own sites using webfonts on iOS and it worked fine o.o
# [17:33] <davidmurdoch> you have to have 2 or more fonts. The more fonts, the more likely you'll crash.
# [17:34] <davidmurdoch> it could just be fixed though.
# [17:34] <davidmurdoch> http://blog.typekit.com/2010/04/05/experimenting-with-web-fonts-on-the-ipad/
# [17:34] <Noxxy> Hm. I'll edit and see what happens. I'm wanting to see this bug lol.
# [17:34] <Noxxy> yeah, i just got an update a few days ago, though that could have been an old one I didn't get on time.
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# [17:36] <davidmurdoch> I know this site used to do it: http://www.slrproshots.com/
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# [17:38] <Noxxy> hm. seems to load just fine. Stutters a bit on the navigaiton page scrolling, but the fonts seem to load fine at least.
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# [17:58] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: yes
# [17:58] <bot-t> (32 mins 20 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell paul_irish DONT ADD PIXELS TO MY BLOODY CSS
# [17:58] <bot-t> (14 mins 30 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell paul_irish is the quiz section better?
# [17:59] <nimbupani> oops :)
# [17:59] <paul_irish> who's added pixels.... psh.. not me.
# [17:59] <nimbupani> iunno i saw 15px on a cite elm
# [17:59] <nimbupani> :'(
# [18:00] <paul_irish> oh that was because i changed the p to a cite
# [18:00] <paul_irish> quiz section looks great
# [18:01] <nimbupani> YEAH >:o
# [18:01] <craigbarnes> since when do American people say "bloody'?
# [18:01] <nimbupani> i am not american :/
# [18:01] <craigbarnes> oh ok lol, I don't where I got that idea from then
# [18:01] <nimbupani> :)
# [18:01] <Noxxy> i'm american and i say bloody lol
# [18:01] <Michael> craigbarnes, When I worked at EA Sports there were quite a few
# [18:02] <Michael> and I always thought it was odd
# [18:02] <Noxxy> but 3/4 of my friends are british, so meh.
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# [18:48] <lastk> guys, the type="number" input dont should start on 0 by default?
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# [18:50] <paul_irish> ?g whatwg forms spec input type number
# [18:50] <bot-t> paul_irish, Web Forms 2.0 - WHATWG - http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/
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# [18:50] <paul_irish> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/number-state.html#number-state
# [18:50] <paul_irish> i bet the first time you hit UP on an empty field it goes to 1, right/
# [18:51] <lastk> nop
# [18:51] <lastk> paul_irish : I have tested here: http://playground.html5rocks.com/#form_fields
# [18:52] <lastk> i just modified the last input to type number: <input type='number' />
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# [18:54] <paul_irish> that works how i said. and how i expected in chrome dev chan
# [18:55] <paul_irish> i think chrome stable still has different/older/wrong type=number code
# [18:56] <lastk> maybe.. I'm downloading the last version
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# [18:56] <lastk> by now I know that is not a problem with my code :)
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# [18:57] <lastk> but should I do some script to add min and all my type=number? other peoples might have a old version and that is bad ;s
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# [19:06] <paul_irish> yeah these are tough
# [19:07] <paul_irish> lastk: can you type a :) into your input number field?
# [19:07] <Ms2ger> No, only a :(
# [19:07] <lastk> paul_irish : nop
# [19:08] <paul_irish> k. well in earlier safari/webkit/chrome you could. and fwiw Modernizr.inputtypes.number returned false in those browser versions
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# [19:09] <paul_irish> now that input constraints is in, it's `true` .. which gives you some control
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# [19:11] <lastk> paul_irish let me update my chrome here, 1 minute
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# [19:15] <lastk> strange
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# [19:26] <danielfilho> I'm wondering if I will stop playing Berseker Ball someday.
# [19:26] <tw2113> never
# [19:26] <Noxxy> Are there any particular bugs related to clearing floats in IE6? I've been off developing a long while and can't remember.
# [19:27] <Ms2ger> bugs...IE6 < I'd assume yes
# [19:27] <paul_irish> kinda sorta yup
# [19:27] <Noxxy> lol yeah
# [19:27] <paul_irish> boilerplate's clearfix class works nicely :
# [19:28] <Noxxy> i'll take a look and see if it fixes the issue :3 thanks.
# [19:31] <Noxxy> Sweet, bug 1/4 solved. I'll cherish the day we don't have to design for IE6 at all.
# [19:31] <nimbupani> its not that diff Noxxy
# [19:31] <nimbupani> especially for just CSS
# [19:31] <tw2113> you still design for IE6?
# [19:32] <Noxxy> lol
# [19:32] <felcom> anyone know of a <audio> polyfill?
# [19:32] <paul_irish> there are two on the polyfills page
# [19:33] <Noxxy> it's just slightly annoying IE6 can throw a wobby over such simple things. It's like a computer science major not knowing what the internet is.
# [19:33] <felcom> herpderp, thanks
# [19:34] <paul_irish> Noxxy: you have to embrace ie6's faults.
# [19:34] <tw2113> oh nose...we're prepping to allow $client to start filling in information for their site, before we're all "fully developed"
# [19:34] <paul_irish> it makes it more personable. :)
# [19:34] <tw2113> we're darn close, but we want bug sightings
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# [19:36] <Noxxy> paul_irish: I do for the most part ha. Just those random unusual bugs that get me. Like when you have a float inside a div thats inside the body which has been styled with a certain attribute. Sometimes I think the IE team threw in bugs that are that specific just for shits n giggles lols.
# [19:36] <paul_irish> probably
# [19:39] <Evet> SSO is pain in the ass
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# [19:42] <tw2113> a very uncomfortable place?
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# [19:50] <felcom> i hate the internet sometimes
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# [19:51] <felcom> i wen to research the audio poly fill and got distracted by the demo music, now i'm in the middle of trying to find an underground copy of a mixtape that was taken down due to copyright
# [19:51] <Michael> How can you hate a medium?
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# [19:52] <Michael> soundcloud.com
# [19:52] <Michael> I found sets there from clubs in here Orlando that closed 10+ years ago
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# [19:52] <felcom> i'm in orlando too =o
# [19:52] <felcom> yessssss http://soundcloud.com/wait-what/sets/the-notorious-xx
# [19:52] <felcom> lol
# [19:52] <Michael> see? :D
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# [19:53] <Michael> They have sets from The Edge
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# [19:55] <felcom> ahhh now I can get back to work =D
# [19:55] <Michael> Oh, Thank Heavens!
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# [20:23] <voodootikigod> wait why
# [20:23] <voodootikigod> wait wut
# [20:23] <grantgalitz> lol
# [20:23] <grantgalitz> I hear a whoosh
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# [20:24] <grantgalitz> f**k
# [20:24] <grantgalitz> pual_irish: My code is 3 times larger than jquery
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> *paul_irish
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> 8(
# [20:25] <paul_irish> it does a lot.
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> it does the entire emulation of a gameboy in one file. :P
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> *gameboy color
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> so true
# [20:25] <grantgalitz> still
# [20:26] <grantgalitz> Too many lines in one file. :/
# [20:27] <paul_irish> it's okay.
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# [20:27] <paul_irish> jquery's scope is very small.
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# [20:27] <grantg> paul_irish: The rip-off forks of the code have begun. :(
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# [20:27] <paul_irish> whats wrong with that
# [20:28] <grantg> They're not doing anything useful
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# [20:28] <grantg> Like finding bugs or even touching the actual js file of the emu
# [20:28] <davidmurdoch> i'm in Orlando too!
# [20:28] <grantg> I think that one file scares them.
# [20:29] <davidmurdoch> Orlando FTW!
# [20:29] <grantg> heh
# [20:29] <grantg> I'm in Aventura, florida
# [20:29] <grantg> 3 hours south east
# [20:29] <grantg> :/
# [20:30] <davidmurdoch> Florida never gets HTML5/jquery/javascript conference love.
# [20:30] <grantg> Hold it in Miami
# [20:30] <grantg> tehehe
# [20:30] <davidmurdoch> We need a Google office in Orlando.
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# [20:30] <Michael> Yes.
# [20:30] <grantg> The happiest place on Earth would get a lot happier then.
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# [20:31] <Michael> Although I don't think I would ever leave Disney
# [20:31] <davidmurdoch> what?
# [20:31] <grantgalitz> ಠ_ಠ
# [20:31] <davidmurdoch> Qk
# [20:31] <Michael> I work for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Online (WD-PRO) :)
# [20:31] <Michael> In Celebration
# [20:31] <davidmurdoch> my ninja trumps your glasses guy.
# [20:32] <davidmurdoch> ah, my dad used to live in Celebration
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# [20:32] <grantgalitz> Oh, didn't they have a couple murders recently there? :P
# [20:32] <Michael> It's a nice city. I live in downtown Orlando though
# [20:32] <Michael> Not quite as nice
# [20:32] <Michael> grantgalitz, In Celebration? I don't think so... but I don't watch the news often
# [20:32] <Michael> In downtown Orlando? Probably
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# [20:33] <grantgalitz> Michael: Prank the chinese tourists. :P
# [20:33] <Michael> Select the most irritable people from over a hundred different cultures and get them sloppy drunk
# [20:33] <Michael> ^^ Orlando
# [20:33] <davidmurdoch> Orlando is one of the MOST dangerous places per capita (for crime).
# [20:33] <Michael> Yeah I can't really comment on that.
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# [20:33] <Michael> davidmurdoch, You're not kidding. I'm from Philly originally and I feel safer there.
# [20:34] <Michael> I've been here 25 years and have watched it rapidly regress
# [20:34] <grantgalitz> Casy Anthony... ಠ_ಠ
# [20:34] <davidmurdoch> Yup. I got to NYC just about every year and it feels peaceful.
# [20:34] <Michael> Her dad was actually one of the security guards in our building
# [20:34] <Michael> Nice guy too. Sad story all around
# [20:34] <Michael> davidmurdoch, wow
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# [20:35] <Michael> We live in a pretty good neighborhood, but it's on one of those streets that people know is a shortcut
# [20:35] <Michael> So you'll see really creepy people walking down the street at 1AM, and cars driving really slow
# [20:36] <Michael> Which is why I keep a replica the Witch King's flail in my house lol
# [20:36] <Michael> cause... anyone who goes swinging that around in defense is obviously crazy
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# [20:37] <davidmurdoch> I got assaulted by this guy: http://www.wesh.com/video/17510590/detail.html (the guy in the body paint). I was sitting in my car in a parking lot and he came up to my window... so I opened the door to see what he wanted and he proceeded to crack my eye socket and knock my front tooth in.
# [20:37] <grantgalitz> over in miami we have a "shortcut" neighborhood that's pretty scary.
# [20:37] <grantgalitz> OverTwon.
# [20:37] <grantgalitz> *OverTown
# [20:37] <Michael> geez :/
# [20:37] <grantgalitz> And Liberty City
# [20:37] <Michael> I was held up at gunpoint by the fashion square mall on 50
# [20:38] <davidmurdoch> Hm, seems like the vid isn't working anymore.
# [20:38] <davidmurdoch> yikes.
# [20:38] <Michael> grantgalitz, yeah
# [20:38] <davidmurdoch> we are not making a good case for having some HTML5 awesome conferences here.
# [20:38] <Michael> lol sorry
# [20:38] <grantgalitz> Don't *ever* go to the 163rd street mall.
# [20:38] <grantgalitz> e v e r
# [20:38] <Michael> but that's the thing - Out by where the convention center is is fine
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# [20:39] <Michael> And Disney/celebration etc
# [20:39] <Michael> The area surrounding Universal is pretty questionable
# [20:39] <grantgalitz> chipotle: Stop making me hungry. :P
# [20:39] <Michael> mmm burrito bowl
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# [20:39] <grantgalitz> damn it
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# [20:40] <Michael> grantgalitz, pinto beans, guac, medium salsa, rice....
# [20:40] <grantgalitz> meh
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# [20:40] <davidmurdoch> The "nitro" monster energy drink tastes like Mountain Dew. This code monkey don't like Mountain Dew.
# [20:40] <Michael> lol
# [20:40] <Michael> It seems better for you than regular monster
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# [20:40] <grantgalitz> I can't wait to make a youtube video of pokemon Emerald running in Firefox 4 and Google Chrome
# [20:40] <davidmurdoch> But regular monster is delicious.
# [20:40] <grantgalitz> Will blow minds
# [20:41] <Michael> grantgalitz, sweet
# [20:41] <Michael> Are you on the webgl list?
# [20:41] <grantgalitz> no
# [20:41] <Michael> get on it!
# [20:41] <davidmurdoch> Paul Irish looks like Paul Rudd. Just thought i'd point that out.
# [20:41] <Michael> he looks like a cockier version of paul rudd
# [20:41] <grantgalitz> Michael: If there was a mailing list for typed arrays, I'd definitely be all over it.
# [20:41] <davidmurdoch> hahahahaha
# [20:41] <Michael> grantgalitz, That has come up several times
# [20:42] <grantgalitz> heh
# [20:42] <Michael> 7 in the past 2 weeks
# [20:42] <grantgalitz> My gameboy color emulator and gameboy advance emulator both use typed arrays for emulating RAM and ROM
# [20:42] <Michael> Ken Russell from google is one of the main contributers
# [20:42] <Michael> paul knows him
# [20:42] <grantgalitz> and fallback to regular arrays if not found or disabled.
# [20:43] <Michael> http://www.khronos.org/registry/webgl/doc/spec/TypedArray-spec.html
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# [20:44] <grantgalitz2> Michael: There's a bug in typed array support in google chrome that keeps getting ignored in the bug list.
# [20:44] <grantgalitz2> I had to force usage of regular arrays in a portion of my video code because google chrome trips that bug there.
# [20:45] <grantgalitz2> Not to mention it seems typed arrays are still jitted poorly or not at all in chrome (while typed arrays make firefox 4 way faster!).
# [20:45] <Michael> https://www.khronos.org/webgl/public-mailing-list/archives/1012/msg00232.html
# [20:45] <grantgalitz2> :/
# [20:45] <Michael> dunno if that's relevant
# [20:45] <grantgalitz2> This bug involves some crazy fuzzy math crash in chrome.
# [20:46] <grantgalitz2> with the sign bit of js numbers
# [20:46] <paul_irish> grantgalitz2: can you post to chromium-html5 about your typed arrays issues? we can rope in our webgl/audio/v8 guys from there
# [20:46] <grantgalitz2> ah
# [20:46] <davidmurdoch> Typed Arrays can't be found in Adobe Air's JS engine, can they?
# [20:47] <grantgalitz2> I wish there were audio-data api guys for chrome as well, in addition to crogers
# [20:47] <grantgalitz2> because the audio output in the webkit audio api builds is buggy
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# [20:48] <grantgalitz> chromium-html5?
# [20:49] <grantgalitz> paul_irish: Anyhow, I'm getting impatient with waiting for the wav pcm audio to be fixed.
# [20:49] <paul_irish> ?g "chromium-html5"
# [20:49] <bot-t> paul_irish, Discussions - Chromium HTML5 | Google Groups - https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-html5/
# [20:49] <grantgalitz> I'm making a java applet as a fallback
# [20:49] <grantgalitz> for audio output
# [20:49] <grantgalitz> I'll make chrome use the applet
# [20:50] <Michael> grantgalitz, http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/specification/s
# [20:50] <grantgalitz> thanks
# [20:51] <Michael> from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/audio/
# [20:51] <Michael> np
# [20:51] <Michael> hmm is that broken for you?
# [20:52] <paul_irish> http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/specification/specification.html
# [20:52] <Michael> http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/specification/specification.html
# [20:52] <Michael> ha!
# [20:52] <Michael> yes that one
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# [20:52] <Michael> grantgalitz, This just came up on the list like 45 minutes ago
# [20:52] <Michael> I would highly recommend joining
# [20:53] <Michael> although audio isn't the main topic but questions still get answered
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# [20:57] <mokush> how the hell is it possible to get one result by calling a link directly in the browser, and a different one by calling the same page with an ajaxed get?
# [20:57] <antonkovalyov> started reading introducing html5, surprisingly good
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# [20:57] <antonkovalyov> surprisingly because i don't usually like books with "intro*" word in title
# [20:58] <davidmurdoch> mokush: X-Requested-With header, maybe?
# [20:59] <mokush> davidmurdoch: how does that work?
# [21:00] <mokush> do I still get a browser session if I log in with ajax?
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# [21:00] <davidmurdoch> mokush: http://www.learningjquery.com/2010/03/detecting-ajax-events-on-the-server
# [21:01] <davidmurdoch> or try http://www.stackoverflow.com/
# [21:01] <paul_irish> danielfilho: can you come to #jquery for a sec
# [21:07] <paul_irish> danielfilho: nvm its okkkkk
# [21:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, do you happen to know if google still ships cr48 for people who filled the form? or was it only until the end of december?
# [21:09] <alrra> grantgalitz: aren`t applets deprecated since html 4.01 ? :/
# [21:09] <tw2113> IE Support....http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5036900/PROBLEM.jpg
# [21:13] <alrra> \clear
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# [21:18] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i keep seeing that another batch is going out this month.
# [21:18] <paul_irish> based on who filled out that form back in dec
# [21:19] <tw2113> i heard taht antonkovalyov likes recruiters right now
# [21:19] <tw2113> that*
# [21:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, ah i see
# [21:19] <antonkovalyov> cool
# [21:19] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, :)
# [21:20] <antonkovalyov> kk, lunch with selenium guys. brb
# [21:20] <antonkovalyov> oops wrong channel
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# [21:29] <fyrd> Hey paul_irish (or anyone else), care to make a guess on which Chrome milestone will see the removal of h.264?
# [21:30] <tw2113> when hell freezes over? or it turns unprofitable?
# [21:30] <tw2113> i may be a bit cynic though
# [21:30] <fyrd> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
# [21:30] <fyrd> It's all over the intertweets, dude.
# [21:31] <paul_irish> fyrd: i just saw...
# [21:31] <paul_irish> lemme see if there's a ticket for it
# [21:31] <fyrd> I'm guessing after 9.
# [21:31] <tw2113> i haven't paid that much attention today
# [21:32] <tw2113> it's only tuesday
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# [21:32] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/ChromiumDev/status/24925676121362432
# [21:32] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/ifnFgm @ChromiumDev -- Open Standards FTW! We are sunsetting support for the H.264 video codec over the next few months. http://goo.gl/lSkJY ^pi
# [21:32] <tw2113> cool
# [21:32] <tw2113> i was wrong
# [21:33] <paul_irish> fyrd: def after 9.
# [21:33] <paul_irish> maybe 11. i dont think it'll drop in m10
# [21:34] <fyrd> paul_irish: Hm, okay. Well, I'll put it down for 10 on caniuse (so people know it'll be happening), and update once more info becomes available.
# [21:35] <fyrd> paul_irish: Thanks!
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# [21:35] <tw2113> i know why i hadn't heard of this yet...i haven't really been on reddit today
# [21:35] <paul_irish> fyrd: i'm asking internally here.
# [21:35] <fyrd> Cool.
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# [21:37] <fyrd> Wonder if it'll be dropped from Android too.
# [21:38] <tw2113> i'm already pretty well invested in .ogg
# [21:38] <nimbupani> i really hope so fyrd
# [21:38] <nimbupani> would be such a big kick on the back to the RIAA
# [21:38] <fyrd> nimbupani: Sure would. :)
# [21:39] <tw2113> just what we need, more dinosaurs going extinct
# [21:39] <paul_irish> fyrd: not 10
# [21:39] <paul_irish> maybe m11
# [21:39] <paul_irish> is the word.
# [21:40] <fyrd> paul_irish: Thanks again, will add a note on that.
# [21:40] <tw2113> hee, i downvoted a verizon iphone link
# [21:40] <tw2113> sorry, i'm mindlessly chattering
# [21:42] <felcom> off-topic, but what are the main benefits of git over svn?
# [21:43] <tw2113> i'll throw in an awesome 404 page for git
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# [21:44] <Thasmo> felcom, I think the main difference is that you can have some kind of local repository to push changes to, without the need to have internet access. and when you then have internet access later, you can push all those changes to the main repository.
# [21:44] <Thasmo> so the local repository has an own specific name I cant think of now.
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# [21:45] <Thasmo> and I think GIT doesnt push the whole file but only the changes or something.
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# [21:47] <danielfilho> paul_irish: sorry, wasn't here
# [21:48] <tw2113> were you too busy doing something awesome, danielfilho ?
# [21:49] <danielfilho> tw2113: I was at the coffee shop :/
# [21:49] <tw2113> ah, consuming awesome then
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# [21:50] <fyrd> Good work on w3fools btw, all. Like it a lot! :)
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# [21:51] <tw2113> any part of w3fools include their math in the browser stats?
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# [21:53] <tw2113> or if someone links me, i can check myself
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# [21:57] <nimbupani> thanks fyrd
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# [21:57] <fyrd> Not last I checked, tw2113.
# [21:58] <fyrd> Wow, some harsh comments on the chromium blog post.
# [21:58] <tw2113> are they by steve jobs?
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# [21:59] <fyrd> Don't people realize that while FF's market share is higher, it doesn't particularly matter right now anyway?
# [21:59] <nimbupani> :)
# [22:00] <tw2113> i'm just annoyed when you drill down a bit, they divide the different versions of the browser by the grand total of its share
# [22:00] <tw2113> like IE has 27% or whatever
# [22:00] <tw2113> they treat the 27% like it's 100% when they seperate out to IE6-9
# [22:02] <fyrd> tw2113: They do? Huh.
# [22:02] <tw2113> http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_explorer.asp
# [22:02] <fyrd> I'm mostly annoyed at the way they act like the stats aren't just for their site.
# [22:02] <fyrd> Ah, that's weird.
# [22:03] <tw2113> those numbers are on that page, would be for compared to every other browser
# [22:03] <tw2113> but the page i looking at just IE
# [22:03] <tw2113> is*
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# [22:04] <paul_irish> tw2113: can you pulll req on w3fools with a bitch about browser_stats ?
# [22:05] <tw2113> if anything, have those numbers in parentheses saying that it's overall marketshare
# [22:05] <paul_irish> "These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users."
# [22:05] <paul_irish> i'd really like to highlight that
# [22:05] <paul_irish> because people use this page all the time
# [22:05] <tw2113> what's the github link?
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# [22:07] <tw2113> nevermind https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools
# [22:07] <paul_irish> http://www.enjoyhtml5.com/hackathons/20110108/02/plane.html
# [22:08] <tw2113> how do oyu do a pull request? :D
# [22:08] <tw2113> crap i can't type right now
# [22:09] <thatryan> or ever
# [22:09] <thatryan> ;) hi
# [22:09] <paul_irish> the pull req button from your own fork
# [22:09] <tw2113> *points for emphases on what thatryan said*
# [22:09] <tw2113> ah, got it
# [22:09] <tw2113> fork, download, edit, submit the request
# [22:10] <tw2113> i'll have to do that later tonight when i can sit down a bit more and figure it out :D noted for my to-do list
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# [22:20] <tw2113> don't have a kinipshit over there paulrouget
# [22:21] <tw2113> :)
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# [22:41] <Neiluj> does anyone know some tools to avoid writing every f*cking -browser- prefix for CSS3 rules ?
# [22:41] <Neiluj> I wrote one but maybe something already exists ? :-/
# [22:42] <skyler_brungardt> css3please.com
# [22:42] <dgathright> I saw a prefix generator somewhere once, hmm...
# [22:42] <Neiluj> css3please is not a valid answer :-)
# [22:42] <nimbupani> sass Neiluj
# [22:42] <skyler_brungardt> That's the best you get, I think. :-)
# [22:42] <dgathright> yup, that was the site
# [22:42] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, or LESS
# [22:42] <tw2113> i swear i saw something about this, i can't recall where
# [22:42] <Neiluj> mmmh nothing with "regular" css
# [22:42] <Neiluj> ?
# [22:42] <skyler_brungardt> Not fond of preprocessors, personally
# [22:43] <Neiluj> for info, I made https://github.com/ZeeAgency/Zee-CSS3-Prefixer
# [22:43] <Neiluj> a php based one
# [22:44] <Neiluj> maybe not the best code ever but it does the job
# [22:45] <tw2113> maybe this? http://www.demosthenes.info/blog/224/Auto-generated-CSS3-Prefixes-With-PHP
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# [22:46] <Neiluj> tw2113: mmh it requires to write css rules directly with php functions
# [22:47] <skyler_brungardt> bleh
# [22:48] <Neiluj> with my own solution, you write your .css file in the normal way and the php is doing live transformation (returns the result and write it in another file, practical)
# [22:48] <tw2113> was worth the shot :D
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# [22:48] <Neiluj> tw2113: yeah good try ;)
# [22:48] <tw2113> easy solution...just do the non-prefixed way and if the browser understands, cool, otherwise they just get what they can handle
# [22:48] <skyler_brungardt> Not a bad idea - pick a browser, say, chrome, as a standard, and use php to write to another CSS file
# [22:49] <Neiluj> tw2113: and you won't get anything but text-shadow and border-radius :)
# [22:49] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, progressive enhancement ftw, in theory only.
# [22:50] <tw2113> you'd get some gradients
# [22:50] <Neiluj> skyler_brungardt: even chrome requires -webkit- for a lot of rules
# [22:50] <skyler_brungardt> Yup, same with firefox and -mz-
# [22:50] <skyler_brungardt> Er, -moz-
# [22:50] <Neiluj> my script miss the rgba2hex conversion, like css3please, but it's just a start
# [22:51] <skyler_brungardt> Y'know, I bet it could be done with a JS library
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# [22:51] <skyler_brungardt> Means a little extra load, but have it process for ya
# [22:51] <skyler_brungardt> If you don't mind the resource hit
# [22:51] <Neiluj> skyler_brungardt: I know but the cool thing with PHP is it can also write the transformed stylesheet as a new file
# [22:52] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, resource hit vs. extra http requests
# [22:52] <Neiluj> so the integrator (don't know if this word is really the good one in english, I'm french) don't have to do anything, just work like always
# [22:53] <Neiluj> when the css work is done, you already have a transformed version of your css file, every change/refresh you make
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# [22:53] <Neiluj> when you need to go into production, you just switch the <link> href
# [22:53] <Neiluj> https://github.com/ZeeAgency/Zee-CSS3-Prefixer/blob/master/index.html L10-11
# [22:54] <skyler_brungardt> Call me oldskool, I like to hand-code the styles myself
# [22:54] <Neiluj> do you like to repeat yourself ? :)
# [22:54] <skyler_brungardt> Copy/paste
# [22:54] <Neiluj> I hand-code myself
# [22:54] <skyler_brungardt> Same reason I tend not to use preprocessors
# [22:55] <Neiluj> when you want to do a CSS3 transform you have to write 5 lines instead of 1
# [22:55] <Neiluj> :-/
# [22:55] <tw2113> just for the time being
# [22:55] <Neiluj> I'm old-school but lazy ;)
# [22:55] <tw2113> in the future...it'll be awesomer and less code
# [22:55] <Neiluj> tw2113: for how many time ?
# [22:55] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, it's a time-limited pain point
# [22:55] <tw2113> just need to let the browsers catch up to our demand
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# [22:55] <tw2113> welcome to the edge of development :)
# [22:55] <skyler_brungardt> Heh
# [22:55] <Neiluj> tw2113: same as IE6, we'll have to wait old-modern browsers to not be significantly used...
# [22:55] <skyler_brungardt> :-D
# [22:55] <alcuadrado> nice news: http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
# [22:56] <tw2113> don't even waste your time with IE6
# [22:56] <tw2113> other than making sure your layout isn't broken
# [22:56] <skyler_brungardt> Where I am, we don't even do that anymore
# [22:56] <skyler_brungardt> As of Jan 1 this year, it's fallen off of our browser matrix
# [22:56] <Neiluj> tw2113: I don't, just saying -browser- prefixes will be a pain in the ass for many years to come
# [22:57] <Neiluj> as everybody is not updating there browsers...
# [22:57] <skyler_brungardt> We're predicting it'll be downgraded to a C on YUI's chart
# [22:57] <tw2113> i've started taking on this case...if they're browsing somewhere that forces that monstrosety on them, they probably shouldn't be browsing the sites i make
# [22:58] <tw2113> and when people buy new computers when they just need a good computer cleaning...they'll likely be decently uptodate at home
# [22:58] <skyler_brungardt> This is the case I make for most US Govt clients
# [22:58] <skyler_brungardt> IE6 requires so much extra attention that it's a special case
# [22:58] <Neiluj> tw2113: that's right when you're talking about something the browser can't do without working more just for him, but when the browser CAN ??
# [22:59] <tw2113> i figure FF/Opera/Safari/Chrome/Chromium users are much more likely to upgrade themselves
# [22:59] <Neiluj> today, box-shadow without prefix isn't understand by every browsers... even Chrome if I'm right...
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# [22:59] <skyler_brungardt> Well, it'll suggest to them more readily
# [22:59] <Neiluj> tw2113: FF is not geek-only anymore imho ;)
# [22:59] <skyler_brungardt> Whereas most IE users upgrade because they upgrade their baseline OS
# [23:00] <tw2113> nope, but even they are smart enough to upgrade from time to time
# [23:00] <Neiluj> anyway, we don't know when browsers will accept those rules without prefixes
# [23:00] <Neiluj> and I won't wait for it
# [23:00] <Neiluj> :)
# [23:00] <tw2113> prefixes aren't that big of a pain to me
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# [23:00] <tw2113> other than radial gradients in chrome
# [23:00] <tw2113> :D
# [23:00] <Neiluj> hehe
# [23:01] <Neiluj> so I guess my solution is the only one of its kind ??
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# [23:01] <tw2113> couple that in with modernizr...
# [23:01] <skyler_brungardt> Neiluj: I think it's a good idea
# [23:01] <Neiluj> I'm pretty sure every time I have a need, somebody got it before me...
# [23:01] <Neiluj> tw2113: I'm using modernizr every time
# [23:02] <skyler_brungardt> Neiluj: Case-based, though
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# [23:03] <tw2113> look at stats, see who's visiting with what and with what version, once you get to the point that you are willing to drop support for a certain prefix...go for it
# [23:03] <Neiluj> (case-based > french .... wait...) ;)
# [23:03] <grantgalitz> ...
# [23:03] <tw2113> i still have a grand plan for a site that will be targeted at twitter users
# [23:03] <tw2113> and i'd wager my left leg that 9 times out of 10, they won't be using any version of IE for regular browsing
# [23:04] <skyler_brungardt> tw2113: That'd be fun
# [23:04] <tw2113> so I am not even plotting to cater to it
# [23:04] <Neiluj> tw2113: for now, I'm targetting every modern browsers and every CSS3 rules I know
# [23:04] <Neiluj> I'm still adding some
# [23:04] <skyler_brungardt> Neiluj: I think if it targeted, say, chrome, and made it really easy to implement and maintain without bugfixes, it'd have some good traction
# [23:05] <tw2113> just remember, http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
# [23:05] <skyler_brungardt> Neiluj: espeically among the web devs with moderate experience
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# [23:05] <Noxxy> It's complicated targeting people sometimes though.
# [23:05] <Neiluj> skyler_brungardt: did you look at the code ? I'm targeting nobody, I'm transforming the REAL css3 rules names
# [23:05] <tw2113> that's why you hire hitmen
# [23:06] <tw2113> oh wait, crap, sensitive topic after the Arizona stuff
# [23:06] <Noxxy> for example, It's easy to say most if not all the people from web design backgrounds don't use IE, but their workplace may force them to. :\
# [23:06] <dgathright> Sad that http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ actually looks the same in every browser. :(
# [23:06] <nimbupani> ha ha haha
# [23:06] <skyler_brungardt> tw2113: lol
# [23:06] <Noxxy> and lol tw2113 =p
# [23:06] <grantgalitz> :/
# [23:06] <Neiluj> dgathright: that's the exception which confirms the rule ;)
# [23:06] <Noxxy> Ha. irony.
# [23:07] <Noxxy> guys, what do you think about full sail university? Have you heard anything good/bad about it? :p
# [23:07] <dgathright> Right, cause a QA person would notice the differences in the browser and ignore the message while they go file their bug report.
# [23:07] <tw2113> that url is either simple enough that all these versions on mac are covered well, or i just run that advanced
# [23:07] <dgathright> Has to look exactly the same to get through the QA filter. :)
# [23:07] <grantgalitz> Yay, hunting for the elusive japanese docs on the TAMA5 MBC mapper, so I can add tamagotchi support for the js gameboy color emulator. :D
# [23:08] <skyler_brungardt> grantgalitz: are the roms loaded on page load or on selection from the dropdown?
# [23:09] <grantgalitz> skyler_brungardt: no
# [23:09] <grantgalitz> You load them in
# [23:09] <grantgalitz> through base64 copy paste, ajax, or by the file api
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# [23:09] <skyler_brungardt> Have any plans for snes?
# [23:09] <skyler_brungardt> Or genesis?
# [23:09] <grantgalitz> yes..........
# [23:09] <skyler_brungardt> :-D
# [23:09] <grantgalitz> reading twitter, are you?
# [23:09] <davidmurdoch> Noxxy: All I know if that Full Sail doesn't let their students sleep much.
# [23:10] <skyler_brungardt> @grantgalitz?
# [23:10] <grantgalitz> heh
# [23:10] <grantgalitz> D: Opera just crashed after it ran my emu
# [23:11] <skyler_brungardt> Aww
# [23:11] <Noxxy> davidmurdoch: yeah, so i've heard. Their classes look nice though, I'm just not sure if I could do it (online degree) plus a full time job to pay for it.
# [23:11] <skyler_brungardt> :-(
# [23:11] <grantgalitz> damn buggy Opera couldn't handle extreme js
# [23:11] <skyler_brungardt> Have a log?
# [23:11] <davidmurdoch> I don't think they let you pick your schedule either.
# [23:12] <davidmurdoch> I may be wrong though
# [23:12] <Noxxy> eek.
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# [23:12] <davidmurdoch> I knew a guy who has to go to class at 2 am.
# [23:12] <davidmurdoch> had to*
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# [23:13] <Noxxy> i'll do some deeper googling. I wouldn't be going to a uni that forced me to class all around the clock lol
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# [23:26] <danielfilho> wait
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# [23:26] <danielfilho> chrome dropping H264?
# [23:26] <danielfilho> and keeping flash?
# [23:26] <danielfilho> WHAT THE HUUUUUUUGE FUCK?
# [23:26] <alcuadrado> yes
# [23:27] <alcuadrado> why?
# [23:27] <alcuadrado> is a slow progress into an html5 (almos) only web
# [23:27] <alcuadrado> first they drop h264
# [23:27] <alcuadrado> then flash supports webm
# [23:27] <danielfilho> I know. They are different things, but h264 is consolidating itself.
# [23:28] <alcuadrado> so they can remove all the h264 vids of youtube
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# [23:28] <alcuadrado> -> apple MUST support webm
# [23:28] <danielfilho> webm is good, but what about the retrocompatibility?
# [23:28] <Noxxy> ^^
# [23:28] <danielfilho> and why google must NOT support h264?
# [23:28] <alcuadrado> re-encode
# [23:28] <alcuadrado> beacuse it's not open
# [23:29] <danielfilho> is flash?
# [23:29] <antonkovalyov> hey does anybody know if there are going to be a pre-early tickets for google i/o for last years attendees?
# [23:29] <antonkovalyov> to be pre-early tickets*
# [23:29] <alcuadrado> and the web is the most open environment
# [23:29] <alcuadrado> and that's what let it evolve like this
# [23:29] <alcuadrado> and google, at least in theory, supports the open web
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# [23:30] <danielfilho> I'm pretty sure about that. but I think a little it odd.
# [23:30] <alcuadrado> (fucking isp)
# [23:30] <danielfilho> Everyone who has encoded vids on h264 will stop working
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# [23:30] <alcuadrado> the should reencode
# [23:30] <alcuadrado> they*
# [23:30] <danielfilho> I think they could still support and find another ways, less radical, to do that.
# [23:31] <danielfilho> I totally preffer webm.
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# [23:31] <alcuadrado> they encode the vids with h264 knowing that there was some kind of battle in that subject
# [23:31] <alcuadrado> but man, currently you should encode the vids at least TWICE to support the majority of html5 users
# [23:32] <tw2113> all you people trying to cater to everyone :P
# [23:32] <alcuadrado> don't forget that the bast majority of html5 vid enabled users are the one's from firefox
# [23:32] <alcuadrado> and firefox 3.6 only supports theodora
# [23:32] <tw2113> theora :P
# [23:33] <alcuadrado> woow, I always said "theodora" :$
# [23:33] <alcuadrado> and always thought "why on earth is it called like that?"
# [23:34] <tw2113> ogg theora and ogg vorbis
# [23:34] <alcuadrado> I think this is great news
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# [23:35] <tw2113> google throwing support for the FOSS stuff is always awesome
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# [23:47] <nimbupani> ?tell paul_irish this is sorta based on boilerplate but not quite view-source:http://www.bifter.co.uk/
# [23:47] <bot-t> nimbupani, Okay.
# [23:51] <tw2113> ?tell nimbupani that i find her cool
# [23:51] <bot-t> tw2113, Okay.
# [23:51] <nimbupani> waaa :/
# [23:51] <tw2113> damn, i was hoping it'd tell me that you're in the room and to do it myself
# [23:51] <nimbupani> :)
# [23:52] <tw2113> it was no lie nonetheless
# [23:52] <nimbupani> :D
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# [23:57] * tw2113 extends a tall finger to h.264 and raises a fist in salute to ogg
# Session Close: Wed Jan 12 00:00:00 2011

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