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# Session Start: Wed Jan 12 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:01] <tw2113> is it bad that i still shrug when I see others complaining about a massive email inbox? and i sit here waiting to receive a reply?
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# [00:05] <davidmurdoch> tw2113: me too. I guess we aren't popular enough?
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# [00:06] <Noxxy> me three lol
# [00:06] <nimbupani> or not subscribed to enough mailing lists
# [00:06] <tw2113> i did that with one of my gmail accounts
# [00:06] <tw2113> technically i'm talking about my work account :D
# [00:06] <davidmurdoch> I was on the web perf mailing list...but they kept going in circles.
# [00:07] <davidmurdoch> did you know that gmail will unsubscribe from some mailing lists for you?
# [00:07] <antonkovalyov> what browser is in the windows phone?
# [00:07] <antonkovalyov> so far it is some piece of shit
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# [00:08] <jus101> isn't it some crappy implementation of IE7?
# [00:08] <davidmurdoch> some crippled version of IE 7, right?
# [00:08] <davidmurdoch> * wins
# [00:08] <antonkovalyov> hm
# [00:08] <antonkovalyov> it does not understand base64 encoded images
# [00:08] <antonkovalyov> ie7 understands them afaik
# [00:09] <tw2113> gotta love Microsoft trying to jump into the modern smartphone game with an even worse version of their flagship browser, nearly 2 versions back
# [00:09] <davidmurdoch> Is there a script out there that detects IE6 and redirects to a website that displays a giant middle finger center-screen? j/k
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# [00:11] <davidmurdoch> who should I follow on twitter?
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# [00:12] <craigbarnes> antonkovalyov: IE7 doesn't support data URIs
# [00:12] <craigbarnes> only IE8+
# [00:12] <antonkovalyov> craigbarnes, oh really. i must have mixed it then
# [00:12] <antonkovalyov> well
# [00:12] <antonkovalyov> fuck :)
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# [00:14] <tw2113> antonkovalyov, i think that's what most people say when they picture IE
# [00:17] <dgathright> "MHTML – when you need data: URIs in IE7 and under" http://www.phpied.com/mhtml-when-you-need-data-uris-in-ie7-and-under/
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# [00:24] <HAITI> html5 is so sexy
# [00:24] <HAITI> love love love
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# [00:25] <Jayflux> what do you like best about it HAITI
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# [00:25] <Neiluj> Jayflux: the doctype
# [00:25] <Neiluj> :)
# [00:25] <Jayflux> lol
# [00:25] <HAITI> yes! haha
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# [00:25] <tw2113> i challenge someone to not memorize the doctype
# [00:26] <Jayflux> lets see the doctype
# [00:26] <tw2113> <!DOCTYPE html>
# [00:26] <Noxxy> too long.
# [00:26] <Noxxy> it should be shortened next revision.
# [00:26] <Neiluj> <!>
# [00:26] <HAITI> Jayflux: canvas might be my favorite
# [00:26] <HAITI> but ...
# [00:26] <tw2113> i likely have hair that's longer than that doctype
# [00:26] * Noxxy seeps with sarcasm
# [00:27] <Jayflux> man thats a short doctype
# [00:27] <davidmurdoch> <!doctype html>
# [00:27] <Jayflux> why is it so short
# [00:27] <davidmurdoch> lowercase, fools!
# [00:27] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: +1
# [00:28] <dgathright> HTML6 is not impressed with your shortened doctype, and has decided to use <!>
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# [00:28] <Jayflux> lol
# [00:28] <antonkovalyov> #!html
# [00:28] <Jayflux> all about html 7 dgathright
# [00:28] <Jayflux> i heard thats gonna be good
# [00:28] <davidmurdoch> #!html ties my fingers up
# [00:29] <dgathright> +1 to #!html
# [00:29] <davidmurdoch> though so does "<?= ?>". I always screw that up
# [00:29] <davidmurdoch> #!html = nevergunnahappen
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# [00:30] <tw2113> damn, i think i ran out of places to use hcard on this client site already
# [00:30] <davidmurdoch> HTML5 spec won't be finalized until 2020 or something. Lets revisit the HTML 6 doctype declaration then.
# [00:30] <tw2113> html4 spec isn't even done
# [00:30] <tw2113> and finalized
# [00:30] <Jayflux> lol
# [00:31] <Jayflux> whats taking them so long?
# [00:31] <Jayflux> on a serious note
# [00:31] <tw2113> these things take time
# [00:31] <tw2113> lots of haggling and debating
# [00:32] <davidmurdoch> lots of it
# [00:32] <Jayflux> aye
# [00:32] <davidmurdoch> I thought i'd be interested to be involved on the mailing lists. that got annoying.
# [00:33] <dgathright> haha
# [00:33] <tw2113> personal interest probably pegs it as too slow of process to pay that close of attention to
# [00:34] <davidmurdoch> so, what version will Chrome be on when HTML5 is finalized?
# [00:34] <davidmurdoch> :-p
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# [00:34] <Jayflux> 15
# [00:34] <Jayflux> 15.1.2
# [00:34] <dgathright> O/U at version 87
# [00:35] <thatryan> anyone have cache manifest working on ipad?
# [00:35] <dgathright> let the betting begin
# [00:35] <davidmurdoch> O/U?
# [00:35] <tw2113> opera will be at version 24
# [00:36] <tw2113> internet explorer will be at version 11 by the time html5 is fully finalized
# [00:36] <tw2113> and there will be 1 single IE6 user left and everyone would cater to him
# [00:36] <davidmurdoch> hahahaa
# [00:37] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [00:37] <Jayflux> lol so true tw2113
# [00:37] <davidmurdoch> In sci-fi movies, monitors are almost never perfect rectangles. When are we going to get odd-shaped monitors?
# [00:38] <davidmurdoch> monitors should have rounded corners, right?
# [00:38] <Jayflux> when will we pull the standards plug on ie6
# [00:38] <tw2113> isn't that why we have widescreen?
# [00:38] <Jayflux> i mean surely the only people using that browser are ones who havent heard of an update
# [00:38] <tw2113> the sooner people stop catering to it
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# [00:38] <Jayflux> and don't deserve a good web experience anyway
# [00:38] <davidmurdoch> lets I checked my widescreen monitor was a rectangle.
# [00:38] <tw2113> what is a perfect rectangle?
# [00:38] <dgathright> a perfect rectangle? Wouldn't that be a square? And all imperfect squares are rectangles?
# [00:39] <davidmurdoch> Jayflux. the corporate world still uses IE6.
# [00:39] <tw2113> i've read the argument about if someone is browsing the internet with IE6 and javascript disabled...they are likely very miserable
# [00:39] <davidmurdoch> hm. I think a perfect rectangle means no round corners.
# [00:39] <Jayflux> really davidmurdoch, aren't IE now on 9 or something, how are they even getting it?
# [00:39] <Neiluj> the real question is about screen resolution. When HTML5 will be finalized, we won't care about IE6 anymore but will we still make website for 1024px screens... ?
# [00:40] <tw2113> Jayflux, it's called IT departments with software built on that version
# [00:40] <tw2113> and sysadmins who hate change
# [00:40] <tw2113> and argue "it's not broken for us, why upgrade?"
# [00:40] <Neiluj> I think we will... for the iWatch
# [00:40] <davidmurdoch> Probably, 1024px is nice with for easy reading.
# [00:40] <davidmurdoch> what tw2113 said.
# [00:40] <davidmurdoch> *is a nice width for easy reading*
# [00:41] <davidmurdoch> I can't type
# [00:41] <tw2113> i say leave them in the dirt
# [00:41] <davidmurdoch> chromeframe to the rescue.
# [00:41] <tw2113> make browsing anything but their own intranet a complete misery liable to send people into a depression spiral
# [00:41] <Jayflux> tw2113 i don't bother catering for em
# [00:41] <tw2113> "i'm sorry, but the internet is not willing to wait for your feet dragging asses to get with 2011"
# [00:41] <Jayflux> if they use it its their own fault
# [00:42] <dgathright> YUI's graded browser support for IE6 is soon dropping to a degraded-level, so if Yahoo will soon not give 2 shits about IE6, that means most other people can stop caring too.
# [00:43] <Jayflux> dgathright other people should have stopped caring years ago
# [00:43] <tw2113> from what i understand, some people are like "yahoo is still relevant?"
# [00:43] <dgathright> Oddly enough, I say that as I'm working on an IE6 bug
# [00:43] <tw2113> or "oh yeah, yahoo is still around"
# [00:43] <dgathright> Jayflux: Not going to disagree with you there.
# [00:43] <davidmurdoch> I haven't worked on IE6 since march. \o/
# [00:43] <HAITI> ie6: Initial release August 27, 2001 from wikipedia
# [00:44] <dgathright> <--- is a Yahoo
# [00:44] <dgathright> tw2113: ^
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# [00:44] <tw2113> :P
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# [00:45] <davidmurdoch> I wish unchecked checkboxes would send an "off" value.
# [00:45] <Jayflux> who actually uses yahoo
# [00:45] <Jayflux> how is it still making money lol
# [00:45] <Jayflux> apart from flickr etc
# [00:47] <tw2113> i kind of want to get back into using their mail setup, which i've heard is getting ready for an overhaul
# [00:47] <davidmurdoch> alot of people still use yahoo mail.
# [00:47] <tw2113> i really want to find a good use for yql
# [00:47] <Jayflux> yql?
# [00:47] <tw2113> ?g yql
# [00:47] <bot-t> tw2113, Yahoo! Query Language - YDN - http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/
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# [00:47] <davidmurdoch> yahoo query language
# [00:47] <Jayflux> oh right
# [00:48] <davidmurdoch> how does the bot work?
# [00:48] <tw2113> ?g bot-t
# [00:48] <bot-t> tw2113, Christian Talk Radio | Bott Radio Network - http://www.bottradionetwork.com/
# [00:48] <dgathright> Jayflux: Yahoo's main source of revenue is from display advertising.
# [00:48] <tw2113> nope, that's not right
# [00:48] <davidmurdoch> lol
# [00:48] <Jayflux> yeah i guessed dgathright i just mean its barely used in comparison to back in the day
# [00:48] <Jayflux> although that statement could be wrong
# [00:49] <tw2113> it's seen better days
# [00:49] <dgathright> tw2113: YQL is badass. Allows for some really cool stuff.
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# [00:49] <tw2113> ?8ball is YQL a bad mofo that should be used daily?
# [00:49] <bot-t> Most likely.
# [00:49] <dgathright> example - OAuth securely in JS. http://derekville.net/2010/how-to-secure-oauth-in-javascript/
# [00:49] <tw2113> bot-t is rather smart
# [00:50] <dgathright> Though some people just say my example is trading a self hosted proxy for a YQL proxy, but still... concept is the same, client code is all JS.
# [00:50] <davidmurdoch> so, more info on bot-t please.
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# [00:50] <tw2113> ?help
# [00:50] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
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# [00:50] <tw2113> nope, that's not right either
# [00:51] <davidmurdoch> bot-t: who are you? lol
# [00:51] <bot-t> davidmurdoch, .animate() - Perform a custom animation of a set of CSS properties. http://api.jquery.com/animate/
# [00:51] <davidmurdoch> wtf?
# [00:52] <davidmurdoch> well, I do love jQuery's animate().
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# [00:55] <tw2113> i emailed this to my boss earlier, with the subject of "time killer" or so
# [00:55] <tw2113> http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/
# [00:55] <tw2113> and in the subject i was like "not that we have time to sacrifice"
# [00:55] <tw2113> he ended up wasting a little bit of time on it
# [00:57] <davidmurdoch> I did that up to level 18 today.
# [00:57] <davidmurdoch> haha
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# [01:01] <davidmurdoch> ?eval [1,2,3].forEach(function(item){ print(item); });
# [01:01] <bot-t> davidmurdoch: 123
# [01:01] <davidmurdoch> fancy!
# [01:02] <alcuadrado> wow
# [01:02] <alcuadrado> that crashed my chrom
# [01:02] <alcuadrado> e
# [01:02] <davidmurdoch> ?fpi
# [01:02] <bot-t> fucking paul irish!
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# [01:04] <paul_irish> heh :)
# [01:05] <antonkovalyov> hahaha
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# [01:07] <davidmurdoch> I just discovered http://docs.jquery.com/JQuery_bot_commands
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# [01:07] <tw2113> level 22
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# [01:08] <paul_irish> you can also /msg bot-t help -- for some more
# [01:08] <paul_irish> his ?translate hasnt been documented though.
# [01:08] <tw2113> forgot about /msg
# [01:09] <tw2113> gotta go
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# [01:09] <davidmurdoch> darn you and your darn limitations
# [01:09] <davidmurdoch> ?darn you and your darn limitations
# [01:09] <bot-t> Stop talking to me that way, I'm a lady, goddamnit!
# [01:09] <paul_irish> yeah... looooots in here: see ?factoids
# [01:09] <bot-t> factoid list: http://bot-t.com/factoids/
# [01:10] <paul_irish> mr bot-t is our bot from #jquery, obv so he has quite a backlog of inside jokes inside.
# [01:10] <paul_irish> ?ajpiano
# [01:10] <bot-t> ajpiano wants to make come
# [01:10] <paul_irish> hahahaha wat
# [01:10] <davidmurdoch> I've been browsing teh factoids for a couple minutes now.
# [01:11] <ajpiano> ?ajpiano paul_irish
# [01:11] <bot-t> ajpiano wants to make paul_irish come
# [01:11] <davidmurdoch> I'm cracking up. I need sleep.
# [01:11] <paul_irish> ah right. :)
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# [01:12] <paul_irish> jochen__: i know you. :)
# [01:15] <Noxxy> Anyone have a must have list of iOS apps for web devs/designers? :p
# [01:15] <dgathright> Interesting implications for <video>, Chrome dropping h.264. Yay. http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
# [01:17] <dgathright> My $0.02 = Never should have supported it in the first place, but I guess better late than never.
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# [01:19] <antonkovalyov> what was the problem with h.264 again?
# [01:19] <alcuadrado> IP
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# [01:22] <dgathright> h.264 isn't a free (as in freedom) codec. Baking something that isn't free into the web stack is a bad idea. We've already gone through it once with Flash
# [01:22] <dgathright> I would say Java (applets) as well, but that idea fell flat on its face.
# [01:23] <antonkovalyov> ah yeah i remember now.
# [01:23] <alcuadrado> I think google, with youtube, has the final world in this discussion
# [01:23] <alcuadrado> word*
# [01:24] <paul_irish> apple's final word on flash seems to be pretty significant
# [01:24] <paul_irish> i think their opinion on video is comparable in significance
# [01:24] <alcuadrado> if flash starts supporting webm, then, youtube can remove it's h264 library, and leave webm only
# [01:25] <alcuadrado> so apple would have to support webm
# [01:25] <dgathright> that was the last browser the open camp needed. Now with Firefox & Chrome, as well as installable codecs in IE, Safari is left all alone.
# [01:25] <alcuadrado> although taht'll never happen, as they loose mose mobile marketshare :P
# [01:26] <dgathright> As long as iOS only support h.264, YouTube will always need h.264 versions.
# [01:26] <alcuadrado> don't forget the ipod, iphone and ipad dgathright :(
# [01:26] <alcuadrado> that's it
# [01:27] <dgathright> yeah, I'm just most interested in web technologies here. I don't view apps as part of the web. Internet, yes. Web, no.
# [01:27] <alcuadrado> what?
# [01:30] <dgathright> Apple can do whatever they want inside their own devices. I'm fine with them limiting it to h.264 only inside apps. But, anything browser-based on mobile or desktops/laptops should support WebM.
# [01:30] <dgathright> Or theora
# [01:30] <dgathright> I don't care as long as it is free
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# [01:31] <dgathright> Reading through the comments of that blog post, wow, lots of angry people.
# [01:32] <alcuadrado> I see
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# [01:32] <Brodingo> theora is ogg and webm is mkv.. ?
# [01:32] <Noxxy> you'd have to consider mobile safari as well though, its a pretty large part of the browser stats of most large websites lol
# [01:33] <alcuadrado> it's a pretty radical movement, so obviously there would be angry people
# [01:33] <alcuadrado> is paul_irish work to calm them down (?)
# [01:34] <alcuadrado> Brodingo, AFAIK, yes
# [01:34] <dgathright> Noxxy: Right. IMO, all browsers should support a free codec. Apple will eventually have to cave.
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# [01:36] <dgathright> I don't have anything against h.264, I just don't want it the defacto standard of the web. Reminiscent of when that patent holding group tried to sue just about everyone on the web for using jpgs.
# [01:37] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: i dont think i'm gonna do that. :)
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# [01:38] <alcuadrado> I know, just joking :P
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# [02:02] <dgathright> Hmm... doesn't Chrome support MP3? If so, how is that situation different from h.264 (aside from everyone on the planet ignoring MP3 IP restrictions)
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# [02:09] <alcuadrado> it maybe the same situation
# [02:09] <alcuadrado> but they don't promote an alternative to mp3
# [02:09] <alcuadrado> at least yet
# [02:09] <alcuadrado> so it makes no sence, IMHO, to drop support for mp3 now
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# [02:11] <dgathright> Yeah, I think we're a little late with the whole MP3 thing at this point. Just wondering if there was something I was missing.
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# [02:34] <antonkovalyov> not to be on anybody's side but i think the logic "if we have to support a couple of proprietary formats let's support even more" is flawed
# [02:34] <antonkovalyov> cc alcuadrado
# [02:34] <antonkovalyov> cc dgathright
# [02:35] <alcuadrado> sure it is
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# [02:40] <paul_irish> here is my tweet that i am not going to tweet
# [02:40] <paul_irish> This h.264 news changes nothing. When webm debuted, I told everyone to encode in webm&ogv&h264. When FF4 shipped, drop ogv. Nothing changed.
# [02:51] <ben_c> I'm going back to animated gifs and wavs
# [02:52] <dgathright> Animated gifs > 1080p HD video.
# [02:53] <tw2113> mmm ogg
# [02:54] <ben_c> can someone please make a 1080p animated gif?
# [02:57] <tw2113> i need to dick around a bit more with <video>
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# [02:58] <dgathright> My "dick around weekend" with <video>. http://html5hitler.com/
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# [02:59] <dgathright> probably the funniest > http://html5hitler.com/58
# [02:59] <dgathright> (need to clean up the dupes people created)
# [03:02] <ben_c> owies ogg only?
# [03:04] <dgathright> Was the easiest thing to get set up w/ FFMPEG during a hackday event. Didn't have enough time to work out all the kinks w/ h.264 support.
# [03:07] <tw2113> i should join archive.org for video conversion stuff
# [03:07] <paul_irish> dgathright: my favorite is messages to your fans in the source code.
# [03:08] <paul_irish> "why hello there."
# [03:08] <paul_irish> :)
# [03:09] <dgathright> Anytime I visit a site that has html5 in the domain name, usually first thing I do is ctrl+u, so I figured (apparently rightfully so) there are plenty of others like me as well. =D
# [03:10] <ben_c> I think I spend more time looking at the source of webpages than the actual page!
# [03:10] <paul_irish> dgathright: omg. firefox user! >:|
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# [03:11] <tw2113> chrome at work, firefox at home opera on the go
# [03:17] <dgathright> I tried the whole "develop in one, use the other for casual browsing" thing, but having a split history was too big of a headache. I'll concede that Chrome is superior in most every way, but I don't think I'd ever ditch FF. Mozilla FTW. A man's gotta have his principles. :)
# [03:22] <alcuadrado> dgathright, I'm with you
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# [03:22] <alcuadrado> but my FF installation is broken, so I have been using chrome lately
# [03:22] <alcuadrado> and what I miss THE MOST
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# [03:22] <alcuadrado> is the awosome bar
# [03:23] <alcuadrado> which is REALLY awosome
# [03:23] <alcuadrado> chrome's bar suck in comparison to it
# [03:23] <dgathright> Oh man, yeah, with you on that one.
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# [03:23] <alcuadrado> I understand that chrome's one is more centered int searching in google
# [03:24] <alcuadrado> but I find searching in the history much MUCH useful
# [03:25] <tw2113> it took a few days to figure out how to use chrome's bar for searching more than just google
# [03:25] <dgathright> I don't like the mixed search/URL bar. It's good UX for most people out there, but I prefer them to be separate.
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# [03:30] <dgathright> OH in #javascript "Tempus2: javascript doesn't support ===" Looks like another w3schools victim.
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# [03:34] <paul_irish> oh god.
# [03:35] <paul_irish> ?g w3schools javascript equality
# [03:35] <bot-t> paul_irish, JavaScript Comparison and Logical Operators - http://w3schools.com/js/js_comparisons.asp
# [03:35] <paul_irish> phew.
# [03:36] <antonkovalyov> does anybody use node.js here on mac?
# [03:37] <antonkovalyov> build failed for me, macports tries to install openssl for whatever reason
# [03:37] <antonkovalyov> any other simple ways to install it?
# [03:38] <antonkovalyov> i really don't want to spend an hour trying to figure out why build breaks
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# [03:41] <dgathright> antonkovalyov: I do. you are trying to install it via macports? I've always done it just by checking out the git repo.
# [03:41] <antonkovalyov> i tried to check out git repo and ./configure && make
# [03:41] <antonkovalyov> got this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/9t8l4jiftenv.png
# [03:41] <antonkovalyov> now trying to install via macports
# [03:41] <dgathright> I gave up on macports a while back. Sooooo friggin buggy. I prefer Brew now. https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
# [03:42] <antonkovalyov> if only i could port all the stuff i've already installed via macports :)
# [03:42] <antonkovalyov> i really like virtualenv in python
# [03:43] <antonkovalyov> i wish there was virtualenv for everything
# [03:43] <dgathright> Yeah, that could be a dealbreaker. I only had a dozen or so things I only used occasionally.
# [03:43] <dgathright> regarding the git method, I'd try a different version and see if you get the same results
# [03:45] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/s52kfv5prvoj.png
# [03:45] <antonkovalyov> fuuuu
# [03:45] <antonkovalyov> ok, trying git again :)
# [03:47] <antonkovalyov> tried 0.3.4, same thing
# [03:47] <antonkovalyov> dgathright, are there any hidden depencies for node?
# [03:48] <antonkovalyov> nvm
# [03:48] <antonkovalyov> gonna ask in #node.js
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# [03:56] <Neiluj> paul_irish: hey paul, I got a few questions about css3please
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# [03:57] <Neiluj> first, did you/somebody write the cssMath object from scratch or is it from another project ?
# [03:59] <Neiluj> I'm not comfortable with regexp, but I need to port some of them in PHP
# [03:59] <paul_irish> Neiluj: jon neal wrote it from scratch
# [04:00] <paul_irish> Neiluj: you should use whats in https://github.com/paulirish/css3please/blob/master/test_math.js
# [04:00] <paul_irish> as its more correct and handles more cases.
# [04:00] <paul_irish> right now the site sucks with rgb and hsl
# [04:00] <Neiluj> oh ok
# [04:00] <paul_irish> and test_math will fix that
# [04:00] <Neiluj> nice :)
# [04:00] <paul_irish> once integrated....
# [04:01] <Neiluj> ok
# [04:01] <thatryan> hey paul_irish I love you!
# [04:01] <thatryan> wait, I mean
# [04:01] <thatryan> did you get my tweet? :D
# [04:01] <paul_irish> what was it again
# [04:02] <thatryan> In that screenshot you posted to firefox, what was that toolbar in the top most image
# [04:02] <paul_irish> web console
# [04:02] <paul_irish> mozilla is making their own Firebug
# [04:02] <paul_irish> slowly.
# [04:02] <thatryan> ahhh
# [04:03] <thatryan> will it be any good?
# [04:03] <paul_irish> no idea.
# [04:03] <thatryan> do you dev solely in chrome?
# [04:03] <paul_irish> its out of labs, which is the same people who rewrote bespin 5 times.
# [04:03] <paul_irish> if that helps give you context.
# [04:03] <paul_irish> :p
# [04:03] <Neiluj> hahaha
# [04:03] <thatryan> lol
# [04:03] <Neiluj> :)
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# [04:04] <paul_irish> thatryan: i dev primarily in chrome but i make shit work in FF / Opera when it can.
# [04:04] <paul_irish> working on an device orientation demo now so i want to test FF but i have zero working dev tools there.
# [04:04] <tw2113> paul_irish if you don't already, leave IE support for others to work out
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# [04:04] <paul_irish> i'll let msft work that out.
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# [04:05] <thatryan> paul_irish: ha gotcha. more of that fun shit from the state of HTML5 demo ;)
# [04:06] <shichuan> hi paul
# [04:06] <Neiluj> paul_irish: May I ask you the same question I asked earlier here about -browser's- prefixes ?
# [04:06] <shichuan> i was writing a build tool tutorial recently
# [04:06] <paul_irish> shichuan: ! :) hey
# [04:06] <Neiluj> 1° do we know when browsers will care about real css3 rules names instead of prefixes one ??
# [04:06] <shichuan> hey!
# [04:07] <paul_irish> shichuan: yeah! i saw.. did you see that big build.xml patch that's waiting to land?
# [04:07] <paul_irish> i think i want to land that before 1.0..
# [04:07] <paul_irish> which means.. soon.
# [04:07] <paul_irish> but i've been scared of it for a little bit.. i need to dive in
# [04:07] <paul_irish> Neiluj: in general, when a css3 module spec goes to Candidate Reccomendation, it's time to drop prefixes.
# [04:08] <Neiluj> (talking about h5bp 1.0 ?)
# [04:08] <shichuan> i will check the patch out
# [04:08] <paul_irish> (yes)
# [04:08] <paul_irish> shichuan is on the boilerplate dev team.
# [04:08] <Neiluj> got to say : nice work guys...
# [04:08] <paul_irish> :)
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# [04:08] <Neiluj> I use a "lite" version everyday
# [04:09] <Neiluj> delete-key friendly right :p
# [04:09] <paul_irish> Neiluj: well we are incorporating a builder/generator tool
# [04:09] <paul_irish> to make it easier for you
# [04:09] <Neiluj> yeah I heard of that recently
# [04:09] <paul_irish> cool
# [04:09] <Neiluj> that's a great idea
# [04:11] <paul_irish> shichuan: nimbupani and i both looked at the document you sent and it looked great
# [04:12] <Neiluj> still about css3 prefixes, do you really use css3please for every concerned rules ? I mean, switching from your text editor just to not copy-pasting ?
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# [04:13] <Neiluj> I'm asking you this because I wrote something last night for my little team and wondered about something similar already exists...
# [04:14] <paul_irish> i use it yeah
# [04:14] <paul_irish> if i had textmate macros i would probably use those instead
# [04:14] <Neiluj> which texteditor are you using ?
# [04:14] <paul_irish> (textmate)
# [04:14] <Neiluj> ok, I use coda...
# [04:14] <paul_irish> once you learn the syntax of transform or whatever, you dont really need to go back to css3please each tim
# [04:14] <paul_irish> but its handy at the start
# [04:15] <Neiluj> and the css guy here is on window... so no textmate
# [04:16] <Neiluj> so my idea was to transform css on the fly, with php...
# [04:16] <Neiluj> only when coding
# [04:16] <paul_irish> sounds like SASS + Compass
# [04:16] <paul_irish> they help HUGELY with css3 and repetition
# [04:16] <Neiluj> yep, sounds like except you don't write anything but css
# [04:16] <nimbupani> well scss is almost css
# [04:16] <paul_irish> yeah sass 3.0 has scss which is the jAM
# [04:17] <Neiluj> does scss "extends" css ?
# [04:17] <nimbupani> yeah
# [04:17] <Neiluj> I mean every css code is valid in scss ?
# [04:17] <nimbupani> yes
# [04:17] <Neiluj> mmh...
# [04:18] <jgv> And it adds variables and mixins. It rules
# [04:18] <Neiluj> so sad it requires ruby :-l
# [04:18] <Neiluj> we don't have it on our servers, damn it
# [04:18] <nimbupani> it needs smthing
# [04:19] <shichuan> cool :) i am trying to add in more details based on the change and also structure it in clearer way :)
# [04:19] <nimbupani> woot shichuan
# [04:19] <shichuan> is this the patch u referring to? https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/pull/207#diff-0
# [04:19] <alcuadrado> Neiluj, you don't need ruby in your servers
# [04:20] <alcuadrado> you can compile it in your desktop befor deploying
# [04:20] <Neiluj> alcuadrado: we're coding directly servers
# [04:20] <Neiluj> onto servers
# [04:20] <alcuadrado> w00t?
# [04:21] <shichuan> hey divya!
# [04:21] <alcuadrado> really?
# [04:21] <Neiluj> we don't work on local
# [04:21] <alcuadrado> are you coding in a live server?
# [04:21] <Neiluj> not the production one ;)
# [04:21] <Neiluj> our development one
# [04:21] <thatryan> cheater ;)
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# [04:21] <Neiluj> well, the same server actually but not the same dns :P
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# [04:22] <Neiluj> it's easier to share at work and at home...
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# [04:22] <alcuadrado> did you hear about git/svn/mercurial?:s
# [04:22] <Neiluj> :) yes
# [04:23] <Neiluj> but... how can I say...
# [04:23] <paul_irish> shichuan: i think https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-boilerplate/commits/roblarsen has the latest and greatest.
# [04:23] <alcuadrado> and why not just use one CVS
# [04:23] <Neiluj> I'm not the man in charge :D
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# [04:23] <paul_irish> omg craigbarnes is gonna make his own now! https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-kickstart
# [04:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: ^
# [04:23] <nimbupani> ha ha
# [04:23] <paul_irish> *watch* ;) ;)
# [04:23] <thatryan> its empty!!
# [04:23] <nimbupani> expect nothing less :D
# [04:24] <paul_irish> well.. he was boilerplate's 2nd biggest external contributor
# [04:24] <paul_irish> maybe his patches waited too long
# [04:24] <nimbupani> :)
# [04:24] <nimbupani> or he was too over-eager :P
# [04:24] <thatryan> kickstart eh? hmmm
# [04:24] <thatryan> names not as cool :p
# [04:25] <thatryan> how about HTML5-MOTHER-FUCKING-IGNITION!
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# [04:26] <mikew3c> HTML asskick
# [04:26] <nimbupani> :D :D
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# [04:31] <paul_irish> thatryan: i like it.
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# [04:32] <shichuan> so we may eventually use this https://github.com/craigbarnes/html5-boilerplate/blob/roblarsen/build/build.xml ?
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# [04:33] <paul_irish> yup.
# [04:34] <paul_irish> i think its likely. both craig and rob were fans.
# [04:36] <shichuan> cool :)
# [04:36] <shichuan> the structure looks better :)
# [04:39] <paul_irish> yeah. the first was very .. mishmashy
# [04:39] <paul_irish> enough to make it work
# [04:39] <paul_irish> using XML for something procedural is very foreign still.. :)
# [04:41] <shichuan> yea, i also just looked into it about a month ago
# [04:42] <shichuan> but once i started exploring it, find it really very useful
# [04:45] <paul_irish> good :)
# [04:45] <mikew3c> oh man
# [04:45] <mikew3c> that smells like ant
# [04:46] <mikew3c> that stuff will whack you up
# [04:46] <shichuan> i know the feeling, i felt strange at first, but it's really easy to configure and one actually dont need to know much about programming to customize it!
# [04:46] <mikew3c> like anisette
# [04:46] <shichuan> that's the nice part
# [04:46] <mikew3c> yeah, it drinks easy
# [04:47] <mikew3c> but then you wake up naked 18 hours later at somebody else's apartment and can't remember how you go there
# [04:48] <alcuadrado> nor the sex of the aparment's owner (?)
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# [04:56] <paul_irish> i glass of pernod with a bunch of ice, crushed mint, and simple syrup is pretty damn amazing
# [04:56] <Neiluj> found a PHP scss port : http://code.google.com/p/phamlp/
# [04:57] <Neiluj> that's great, tomorrow I'll try to convince my colleague...
# [04:57] <paul_irish> sweet
# [04:58] <Neiluj> the project name is awful
# [04:58] <paul_irish> forreal
# [04:58] <Neiluj> but it's working
# [04:58] <Brodingo> you cant event say it
# [04:58] <Brodingo> famulp
# [04:59] <Neiluj> you can, after being hit in your mouth
# [04:59] <Neiluj> and losing one teeth
# [05:01] <Neiluj> it can be configured so it prefixes every css3 rules I need but it doesn't by default
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# [05:06] <Neiluj> damn 5AM here, time to go back home and sleep ;)
# [05:07] <thatryan> 5AM? damn where are you
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# [05:08] <Neiluj> Paris
# [05:08] <Neiluj> ;)
# [05:09] <Neiluj> btw there's a famous french song which says "it's 5AM, Paris is waking up...'
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# [05:13] <Neiluj> http://www.deezer.com/listen-540432
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# [05:15] <thatryan> lol I cant read the song names
# [05:15] <Neiluj> hehe
# [05:16] <Neiluj> thx for your help guys, bye !
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# [05:31] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, http://twitter.com/Quakeprediction/status/25023954921979904
# [05:31] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/elFCbS @Quakeprediction -- 11 HR EARTHQUAKE WARNING; Berkeley, Concord, CA 5.0 to 6.6 earthquake is likely in the next 11 hrs; http://www.quakeprediction.com/
# [05:31] <antonkovalyov> we're fuuuucked :)
# [05:31] <thatryan> holy crapppp
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# [05:31] <thatryan> 6.6, that would be a shaker!
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# [05:32] <antonkovalyov> i hope my building is good enough :)
# [05:34] <thatryan> is it old or new?
# [05:34] <antonkovalyov> new
# [05:35] <thatryan> should be good then :D
# [05:35] <thatryan> is this the one that knocks us into the ocean? lol
# [05:35] <antonkovalyov> i guess, we'll see in the next 11 hours
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# [05:37] <thatryan> dang wish it was before work
# [05:37] <antonkovalyov> why?
# [05:37] <antonkovalyov> i wish it was when i am not around here :)
# [05:37] <thatryan> stay home day! hah if only
# [05:38] <thatryan> have you not been here for one?
# [05:38] <antonkovalyov> nope
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# [05:38] <antonkovalyov> or i didn't feel it :)
# [05:39] <thatryan> how long have you lived here?
# [05:40] <antonkovalyov> 2.5 years
# [05:41] <antonkovalyov> we have a fair amount of quakes back in tashkent so i am used to them and don't feel minor earthquakes
# [05:41] <thatryan> aaahhh. damn sorry man, didn't mean to make all light of the situation. It can be nerve wrecking yeah
# [05:41] <thatryan> ah
# [05:41] <thatryan> well youll be fine here :D
# [05:42] <antonkovalyov> :D
# [05:42] <thatryan> if it is 6.6, you will feel it though
# [05:42] <thatryan> the 1989 one was brutal, that was 6.9-7.1
# [05:43] <antonkovalyov> the one that broke bay bridge?
# [05:43] <thatryan> yeah
# [05:43] <thatryan> i was like 12
# [05:44] <antonkovalyov> we had 7.5 in 1966
# [05:44] <antonkovalyov> destroyed like half of city
# [05:44] <thatryan> ah dang, well before my time
# [05:44] <antonkovalyov> well before my time as well :)
# [05:44] <thatryan> heh, how old are you
# [05:44] <antonkovalyov> 24
# [05:44] <thatryan> tashkent, is that Russia?
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> uzbekistan
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> ex. part of soviet union
# [05:45] <thatryan> right gotcha
# [05:45] <thatryan> what language is spoken there
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> russian and uzbek
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> but i don't know the latter
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> only russian
# [05:45] <antonkovalyov> (and well english)
# [05:46] <thatryan> ah, well privet!
# [05:46] <thatryan> i think
# [05:46] <thatryan> :p
# [05:46] <antonkovalyov> privet :)
# [05:46] <thatryan> zdrastvuytye
# [05:46] <thatryan> harder to phonetic ha
# [05:46] <antonkovalyov> nice nice :)
# [05:46] <antonkovalyov> russian friends?
# [05:46] <thatryan> was trying to teach mysefl russian actually
# [05:46] <thatryan> tough one :D
# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> oh wow
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# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> yeah, russian is hard
# [05:47] <thatryan> i like the language though
# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> you learn rules for 4 years
# [05:47] <thatryan> in school?
# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> than you spend 2 years to learn exceptions from those rules
# [05:47] <thatryan> HA
# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> yeah
# [05:47] <antonkovalyov> we basically study russian for 11 years in school :)
# [05:48] <thatryan> lots of variations between formal/informal I see. and messing up can be insulting yes?
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# [05:48] <antonkovalyov> not really
# [05:48] <thatryan> well thats good to know lol
# [05:48] <antonkovalyov> :-)
# [05:48] <antonkovalyov> kk, time for dinner
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# [05:48] <thatryan> well if i ever catch ya at a conference you will have to brush up my russian ;)
# [05:49] <antonkovalyov> and prepare food for berkeley/concord earthquake apocalypsis
# [05:49] <thatryan> lol good, ill be hungry :D
# [05:49] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, ok :) we can also meet at http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-JavaScript-Pub-Night/
# [05:49] <antonkovalyov> you are not too far away
# [05:49] <thatryan> oh cool, totally ill check it out
# [05:49] <thatryan> SF not far at all
# [05:50] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish with friends was at the last one. dunno if he is coming to the next one but anyway it is usually fun
# [05:50] <antonkovalyov> k, food
# [05:50] <thatryan> i bet
# [05:50] <thatryan> enjoy
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# [06:00] <thatryan> hey dude
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# [06:12] <paul_irish> LOVE THIS http://www.zachleat.com/bigtext/demo/
# [06:14] <noxxten> Awesome.
# [06:14] <noxxten> A lot of these css3/html5 websites are pretty nicely designed lately.
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# [06:16] <noxxy> :c
# [06:16] <noxxy> someone registered the noxxy nickname.
# [06:17] <thatryan> was it you
# [06:17] <thatryan> ;)
# [06:17] <noxxy> nope. not unless its automatic.
# [06:18] <thatryan> no
# [06:18] <noxxy> just tried to change my name to it and it told me it's restricted... though it seems i'm using it anyway lol.
# [06:18] <thatryan> you can until someone with the password logs in with it, then youll be bumped off
# [06:19] <noxxy> ahh. oh well.
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# [06:21] <tw2113> paul_irish any preferred place in the fork that you want me to put that info from earlier?
# [06:21] <thatryan> that sounds dirty...
# [06:22] <tw2113> only to the dirty minded
# [06:22] <tw2113> ........oh wait
# [06:22] <thatryan> lol
# [06:22] <paul_irish> tw2113: somewhere.
# [06:22] <paul_irish> somewhere where it belongs.
# [06:23] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, was the "hey dude" to me?
# [06:23] <tw2113> i was eying right before the "awful examples" pseudo heading
# [06:23] <tw2113> *shrugs* sure, as long as it wasn't something offensive
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# [06:23] <tw2113> aka no idea what you're talking about at the moment, sorry :D
# [06:23] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: quakeprediction is some bullllshit
# [06:23] <paul_irish> that's what i think.
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# [06:24] <tw2113> almost like predicting who will open fire on someone
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# [06:24] <tw2113> damn it! still too soon for that!
# [06:24] <thatryan> paul_irish: if you get shaken in half i got dibs on your tech ;)
# [06:24] * tw2113 storms off to go fork and pull request
# [06:24] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/-cih7jsg2r0f.png
# [06:24] <antonkovalyov> oh wait
# [06:24] <antonkovalyov> i bet somebody joined the channel around this time?
# [06:24] <antonkovalyov> i have those notifications turned off
# [06:24] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [06:25] <thatryan> lol that was me who said hey dude
# [06:25] <antonkovalyov> oops
# [06:25] <thatryan> was right as ajpiano came in
# [06:25] <tw2113> yeah i haven't been in here for an hour or more
# [06:26] <antonkovalyov> i typed t and pressed tab :)
# [06:26] <thatryan> yeah it happens ;)
# [06:26] <tw2113> i find it appropriate in times like this, where men be men
# [06:26] <tw2113> and say
# [06:27] <tw2113> hey dude, antonkovalyov :)
# [06:27] <antonkovalyov> hah
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# [06:27] <antonkovalyov> bigtext wizard is great
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# [06:38] <tw2113> pull request sent
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# [06:39] <paul_irish> uh oh.
# [06:39] <paul_irish> tw2113: you should re-add that to index.html
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# [06:41] <tw2113> got it
# [06:42] <tw2113> i was going to say "for developers, the markup in this one is crap"
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# [06:43] <paul_irish> heh
# [06:46] <tw2113> just re-request?
# [06:47] <tw2113> nope, looks like it detects the changes automatically after i pushed back to my copy of the fork
# [06:47] <tw2113> sweet :D
# [06:48] <tw2113> crap, forgot the closing li
# [06:48] <thatryan> haha
# [06:48] <thatryan> :p
# [06:49] <tw2113> i'm a 2 beer bitch tonight D:
# [06:50] <paul_irish> just re-req.
# [06:50] <paul_irish> ah there it is.
# [06:50] <paul_irish> nvm
# [06:51] <tw2113> dynamic updating :D
# [06:52] <tw2113> my first time forking
# [06:54] <paul_irish> its merged.
# [06:55] <thatryan> paul_irish: I thought I saw somewhere before but cant find it. docs on using the profling in boilerplate?
# [06:55] <paul_irish> i deleted the profiling.
# [06:55] <paul_irish> ?g yui profiling
# [06:55] <bot-t> paul_irish, YUI 2: Profiler - http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/profiler/
# [06:55] <paul_irish> docs ^
# [06:56] <thatryan> deleted? ah guess i dont have the latest version then heh
# [06:57] <paul_irish> nope
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# [06:58] <thatryan> ah the github version says 0.95 so does the website
# [07:00] <tw2113> mmm MDN
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# [07:04] <paul_irish> thatryan: welllllll whats in github is NEW NEW
# [07:04] <thatryan> lol I see that :) just grabbed it
# [07:06] <tw2113> why do i picture that paul_irish reads through this file any time he needs to hulk up?
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# [07:09] <tw2113> i wonder how easily i could block that site from google results at work :D
# [07:09] <thatryan> paul_irish: why put the links to the favicon and apple-icon in index just to say delete the references? I never got that part
# [07:10] <paul_irish> thatryan: where else would you put that.
# [07:10] <thatryan> no, i mean why mention it
# [07:10] <paul_irish> without looking tell me the name of the apple-icon file name
# [07:10] <thatryan> apple-touch-icon.png
# [07:11] <paul_irish> oh you dont want -precomposed ?
# [07:11] <paul_irish> you know it wont work on android without that
# [07:11] <paul_irish> the source is the primary documentation
# [07:11] <paul_irish> so.. things get documented there.
# [07:11] <thatryan> nope dont know what that means )
# [07:11] <thatryan> :) ah ok i getcha
# [07:12] <thatryan> I have not seen -precomposed before
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# [07:15] <tw2113> heh, it already shows how to filter out, i just wish i could make it permanent
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# [07:17] <paul_irish> wat
# [07:18] <tw2113> i wish google offered a way to permanently filter out websites from your search results
# [07:18] <tw2113> so i wouldn't have to tack on -w3schools each time
# [07:19] <tw2113> i could live with having that tied to my google account...i'd add experts-exchange.com or whatever too
# [07:22] <paul_irish> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/eidhkmnbiahhgbgpjpiimdogfidfikgf?hl=en
# [07:23] <techrush> i think those experts exchange pages have started losing their ranking in google pretty bad lately
# [07:23] <techrush> their is also an organized effort to out SEO w3schools to get #1 in google for a lot of common stuff
# [07:23] <paul_irish> it's not working.
# [07:24] <paul_irish> FYI.
# [07:24] <thatryan> links are not working yeah
# [07:27] <tw2113> it takes a second, but they get removed, sweet :D
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# [07:30] <tbranyen> asking here since css3 has one guy in it
# [07:30] <tbranyen> is there no way to animate gradients using css3?
# [07:31] <tw2113> i haven't heard anything about gradient animating
# [07:34] <tbranyen> hmm best i can do is with js then
# [07:42] <paul_irish> tbranyen: i dont believe so. i think there's a webkit ticket on it
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# [07:43] <tbranyen> yeah not having much luck setting the gradient dynamically with js either
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# [09:01] <jochen__> paul_irish: uuuh, possible
# [09:01] <paul_irish> jochen__: we're sharing Nico's buzz thread
# [09:02] <paul_irish> :)
# [09:04] <jochen__> yeah, we totally own it
# [09:04] <jochen__> it's an easy way to get read by lots of people - post comments on nico's buzzes
# [09:05] <paul_irish> hehe yeah for sure. him and evan's.
# [09:05] <paul_irish> mandatory reading. :0
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# [09:33] <antonkovalyov> NODEJS Y U SO HARD TO INSTALL
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# [09:35] <ACTRAiSER> morning
# [09:36] <sean`> sup antonkovalyov ?
# [09:36] <antonkovalyov> i decided to experiment with rewriting our selenium tests using node.js+soda.js
# [09:37] <sean`> cool
# [09:37] <antonkovalyov> four hours, conversation with ryah in #node.js and a ticket on v8 bug tracker later i am still nowhere
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# [09:40] <antonkovalyov> yesterday i decided to write some code to gather stats from our pages
# [09:41] <antonkovalyov> and that resulted in http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/7945
# [09:41] <antonkovalyov> something is wrong with a universe :-(
# [09:41] <antonkovalyov> err
# [09:41] <antonkovalyov> not a universe, our universe
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# [09:59] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: okay maybe you were right. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/122-37.html
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# [10:00] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, oh wait it already happened?
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# [10:00] <antonkovalyov> not here
# [10:00] <antonkovalyov> good
# [10:00] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [10:01] <antonkovalyov> i did not know that berkeley is on a fucking fault zone
# [10:01] <antonkovalyov> i suck at picking places to live
# [10:02] <paul_irish> hahahah
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# [10:02] <paul_irish> i dont think it's easy to miss a fault zone in this area.
# [10:03] <antonkovalyov> yeah
# [10:03] <antonkovalyov> san jose
# [10:03] <antonkovalyov> but nobody lives there, boring
# [10:04] <alrra> ?time san francisco
# [10:04] <bot-t> alrra, San Francisco, CA - Time: 1:00am Wednesday (PST), Weather: Cloudy, 9�C / 48�F
# [10:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, by the way i really love that email from google (don't know if you heard about it) saying "hey heads up, this email is to tell you that tomorrow we will email you again about the conference "
# [10:06] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: nowhere does that email say google on it
# [10:06] <paul_irish> oh shit. it says it in ONE TINY LITTLE SPOT
# [10:06] <antonkovalyov> :-D
# [10:06] <antonkovalyov> if something is at google headquarters
# [10:06] <paul_irish> its not from google
# [10:06] <antonkovalyov> i assume it is from gooel
# [10:06] <antonkovalyov> google*
# [10:06] <antonkovalyov> sorrrry
# [10:06] <juha_> nice, it's +9c there, it's -9000c here
# [10:06] <paul_irish> a lot of GTUG meetings and other shit is hosted at google headquarters
# [10:07] <paul_irish> @1marc asked to do his conf there.
# [10:07] <paul_irish> they said yes
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# [10:08] <antonkovalyov> sorry i pissed you off, paul_irish :)
# [10:08] <paul_irish> WHAT THE EFF ANTON
# [10:08] <antonkovalyov> i am a member of EFF, wtf paul_irish
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# [10:16] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, how your car story worked out?
# [10:16] <antonkovalyov> they never called?
# [10:17] <paul_irish> the car was back this morning
# [10:18] <paul_irish> i guess its ok
# [10:18] <antonkovalyov> good
# [10:19] <mikew3c> I think paul_irish was using it under his other personality, to do some fight club in the after hours
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# [10:37] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: hey :)
# [10:37] <paul_irish> what is it????
# [10:37] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: hey
# [10:38] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: It's not going to be in competition with the boilerplate
# [10:38] <paul_irish> but what isssss it
# [10:38] <craigbarnes> It's just a concept at the moment
# [10:38] <paul_irish> o_O
# [10:39] <craigbarnes> I'm working on a static site generator
# [10:39] <craigbarnes> the HTML5 is just for buzzword compliance
# [10:39] <paul_irish> SMART MOVE
# [10:39] <paul_irish> :D
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# [10:39] <craigbarnes> but the default template will be the boilerplate
# [10:40] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: did you see the generator we just added to the -site repo?
# [10:40] <craigbarnes> Yeah I took a quick look
# [10:40] <craigbarnes> Nice idea
# [10:40] <craigbarnes> It's a little.....
# [10:40] <craigbarnes> over engineered....
# [10:40] <craigbarnes> lol
# [10:40] <paul_irish> messy.. written by a noob....
# [10:41] <craigbarnes> I don't dig the database
# [10:41] <craigbarnes> doesn't mix with GitHub very well
# [10:42] <paul_irish> not at all.
# [10:42] <paul_irish> welll
# [10:42] <craigbarnes> I fallen out of love with databases
# [10:42] <craigbarnes> and in love with GitHub :P
# [10:42] <paul_irish> i guess we'll iterate on its smellyness
# [10:42] <paul_irish> and watch what you're doing.
# [10:43] <paul_irish> but we definitely want to have a builder for boilerplate.. so if we can find a way to make your shit work as that.
# [10:43] <craigbarnes> I tried something similar a while back
# [10:43] <paul_irish> we might start stealing it
# [10:43] <paul_irish> god.. okay i gotta go to sleep
# [10:44] <craigbarnes> okay, sleep well
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# [10:58] <mikew3c> for anybody in Boston area, way cool course this week at MIT
# [10:58] <mikew3c> https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jgoulie
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# [10:58] <mikew3c> dunno if it's open/free or what
# [10:59] <mikew3c> but some big guns
# [10:59] <mikew3c> Boris Zbarsky, Dave Herman, Chris Heilmann, more
# [11:04] <paul_irish> shit. today was boris.
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# [14:30] <Radi> good day
# [14:30] <Radi> can anyone give me a clue what is the easiest way to create a nav or sidebar with html5 ?
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> Radi, <nav>...</nav> and <aside>...</aside>
# [15:01] <Radi> Ms2ger, so all i have to do is to put the list into nav and aside tags ?
# [15:01] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [15:01] <Ms2ger> That's what they're for
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# [15:01] <Radi> great, thanks
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# [15:34] <felcom> should the placeholder attribute replace a <label> or is it still better to have both?
# [15:35] <mikew3c> felcom: they have different purposes
# [15:35] <mikew3c> either or neither or both depending on what you're doing
# [15:35] <mikew3c> I guess
# [15:36] <felcom> ok so for example a login form
# [15:36] <felcom> i guess my question is what are their individual purposes then
# [15:37] <felcom> it just feels wrong abandoning the labels
# [15:37] <mikew3c> for some cases, the placeholder can be some kind of hint about what the microsyntax of a particular field shouldbe
# [15:38] <felcom> oh ok that makes more sense
# [15:38] <felcom> so a label would be 'email:' and placeholder would be 'email@example.com'
# [15:38] <mikew3c> e.g., if it's a username field but the username takes the form of an e-mail address, it can show and e-mail address
# [15:38] <mikew3c> yeah
# [15:38] <felcom> gotcha
# [15:38] <mikew3c> like that
# [15:39] <felcom> so really, if theres no extra explanation necessary there shouldn't be a need for any placeholder
# [15:39] <Ms2ger> Right
# [15:39] <felcom> cool thanks!
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# [15:47] <mkwst> It's also important to note that the placeholder is generally not read out by assistive software.
# [15:47] <mkwst> screen readers will read the label when you focus on a form element.
# [15:47] <mkwst> they generally ignore the placeholder at the moment.
# [15:47] <lukegalea> hi everyone! I'm trying to use a cache-manifest just to cache jquery, jquery-mobile, images, etc.. and keep all html served remotely. It seems like any page that references the manifest file is automatically cached regardless of the "NETWORK" option in the manifest. Is that the general consensus? Is there no way around this?
# [15:47] <felcom> ok thats what I was thinking, and why I was uneasy about skipping labels
# [15:47] <mkwst> that will eventually change, i suspect, but please don't leave off labels.
# [15:47] <felcom> i wont =)
# [15:48] <mkwst> :)
# [15:48] <tw2113> do both...labels and placeholders
# [15:48] <tw2113> you'll have well formed forms
# [15:48] <mkwst> do both _if you need to_. :)
# [15:49] <mkwst> lukegalea: according to a note in the spec "Authors are encouraged to include the main page in the manifest also, but in practice the page that referenced the manifest is automatically cached even if it isn't explicitly mentioned."
# [15:49] <mkwst> right at the end of http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/offline.html#introduction-3
# [15:50] <mkwst> it's debatable whether or not that's a bug.
# [15:51] <lukegalea> hmm.. that's difficult.. I'm trying to use it as a work around for the cache limits on iphones... if I can use a cache manifest to store large js, etc taht would be a big help.
# [15:53] <lukegalea> mkwst: thanks though ;)
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# [16:10] <tw2113> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/the-daily-show-reacts-to-verizon-iphone-jon-stewart-gets-a-litt/
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# [16:17] <tw2113> according to my mac widget, it's -6F here
# [16:18] <tw2113> and that'd be without wind
# [16:18] <grantgalitz> 56 F here
# [16:19] <grantgalitz> Americans trolling Europeans on this channel FTW.
# [16:19] <mduncan> got 2ft of snow here last night and still coming down .. no joke
# [16:20] <mduncan> (connecticut)
# [16:22] <tw2113> this is a normal winter for me
# [16:22] <tw2113> the southern states may be learning what snow looks like though
# [16:23] <grantgalitz> Florida bitches!
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# [17:21] <paul_irish> Michael: v
# [17:21] <paul_irish> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5734&to=5735
# [17:22] <danielfilho> paul_irish: check your pvt msg :D
# [17:24] <paul_irish> danielfilho: fuhgeddaboutit
# [17:24] <danielfilho> ?
# [17:24] <paul_irish> nevermind about that
# [17:24] <danielfilho> just wanna know what was. i'm a curious guy. hahah
# [17:24] <danielfilho> but ok.
# [17:25] <tw2113> i should look into installing those mac updates....that way i could have access to the app store that i wouldn't use
# [17:25] <tw2113> except for the free apps
# [17:26] <danielfilho> haha, mee too.
# [17:27] <thatryan> morning guys :)
# [17:27] <danielfilho> i just got twitter, mindnode, chopper2(bought) and sketchboxexpress
# [17:27] <danielfilho> thatryan: hey :D
# [17:27] <tw2113> well, there's the reason why it smelled a bit in here, thatryan is here, and you know he's the poo
# [17:27] <thatryan> POOO
# [17:27] <thatryan> :D
# [17:27] <danielfilho> poo?
# [17:27] <danielfilho> eewl.
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# [17:27] <thatryan> indeed
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# [17:33] <tw2113> what about that antonkovalyov guy?
# [17:33] <tw2113> ah crap, he's here
# [17:33] <tw2113> remember, i didn't mean a thing i said people
# [17:33] <thatryan> you meant it all!
# [17:33] <tw2113> lies! i tell you! bloody hooker lies!
# [17:33] <thatryan> lol the worst kind
# [17:34] <antonkovalyov> morning :)
# [17:34] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: mornin'
# [17:34] <antonkovalyov> why the hell it is so freezing
# [17:34] <thatryan> you needz more coffee!
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# [17:36] <tw2113> coffee makes the world a better place, and your innards like a fireplace
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# [17:36] <thatryan> poetic
# [17:36] <tw2113> if i go bye bye soon, it's just the mac update restarting me
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# [17:40] <antonkovalyov> tell me that
# [17:41] <antonkovalyov> i have little blood in my coffee stream inside of my body
# [17:41] <antonkovalyov> kk, time to go to work. see you all later.
# [17:41] <thatryan> see ya
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# [17:43] <antonkovalyov> btw, thatryan i am still alive, no earthquake :)
# [17:43] <antonkovalyov> there was a small one somewhere down south
# [17:43] <thatryan> lol way to go! knew you'd survive :D
# [17:44] <mduncan> wierd, laptops in my house are showing https crossed out in red in chrome, but pc is fine .. this is on all https sites, gmail, banks, etc
# [17:44] <mduncan> wireless timestamp funk perhaps?
# [17:45] <mikesusz> maybe chrome is dropping support for ssl certificates also
# [17:46] <mduncan> ha
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# [17:53] <tw2113> http://tpdsaa.tumblr.com/
# [17:54] <tw2113> i like this one best http://tpdsaa.tumblr.com/post/2640097130
# [18:03] <danielfilho> just created a shopping function here, that maks a thing that I call shoppingLayer.
# [18:03] <danielfilho> is and ad space on the page.
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# [18:03] <danielfilho> the function is shoppingLayer()
# [18:03] <danielfilho> the file will be called slayer.min.js
# [18:03] <danielfilho> \o/
# [18:03] <danielfilho> lml
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# [18:04] <mikesusz> layers? netscape4!
# [18:04] <danielfilho> HAHAHA lulz
# [18:04] <danielfilho> not THAT layers :D
# [18:04] <tw2113> cool, somehow i acquired $10 credit with my landlord, so I get to take that off my next rent check
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# [18:05] <tw2113> i like how Alex Sexton did some poker based js library and named it gaga.js
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# [18:06] <ben_c> haha
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# [18:07] <danielfilho> tw2113: creative! :D
# [18:07] <thatryan> ever used sass and comass?
# [18:07] <danielfilho> but i'm really in love with my slayer.js
# [18:08] <danielfilho> will use my slayer sneakers tomorrow, when presenting it :D
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# [18:13] <tw2113> ooh good idea....browse Apple App Store...go download native versions instead of the ones in the store
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# [18:18] <Michael> paul_irish
# [18:18] <paul_irish> >:|
# [18:18] <Michael> v?
# [18:18] <Michael> Sorry I'm training 2 noobs.
# [18:19] <paul_irish> look at the link under it
# [18:19] <Michael> Oh wow
# [18:19] <Michael> So no more undo manager
# [18:19] <paul_irish> only in w3c spec. still in whatwg spec
# [18:19] <paul_irish> :)
# [18:19] <Michael> Oh, okay.
# [18:19] <Michael> I still don't see a huge purpose for it. It can be pretty easily implemented in JS
# [18:21] <tw2113> i must admit, i'm impressed by google goggles' ability to solve sudoku puzzles
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# [18:21] <tw2113> it got me into the 1 percentile on an "evil" level puzzle
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# [18:52] <danielfilho> tw2113: google goggles solves puzzles?
# [18:52] <danielfilho> wow.
# [18:52] <tw2113> yeah
# [18:52] <tw2113> just scan the puzzle, double check that it got all the numbers in there
# [18:53] <danielfilho> need to confess something. my huge frustration in life is NEVER had solved a rubik's cube.
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# [18:53] <felcom> remove and replace stickers
# [18:53] <felcom> imo
# [18:53] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
# [18:53] <danielfilho> good.
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# [18:53] <tw2113> damn buttons
# [18:53] <danielfilho> tw2113: you don't need to quit just because I dont know to solve the cube, bro
# [18:53] <danielfilho> :D
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# [18:54] <tw2113> i can't either
# [18:54] <tw2113> my brother can though
# [18:54] <noxxten> i can :D
# [18:54] <noxxten> with a hammer and some superglue...
# [18:54] <danielfilho> everyone can. in the world. EVERYONE but me.
# [18:54] <tw2113> they can be frustrating enough to make you want to quit life too
# [18:55] <danielfilho> i'll take a picture of the desk of the guy who seats beside me
# [18:55] <danielfilho> 1 sec
# [18:55] <noxxten> at the end you're just like "I SOLVED IT!......now what was the entire point of this?!"
# [18:55] <danielfilho> to say that you've solved
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# [18:57] <noxxten> lol
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# [18:58] <tw2113> mmm buy one get one free burrito from taco johns
# [18:59] <danielfilho> http://cl.ly/0h39221M1S3J2J44082H
# [18:59] <danielfilho> he solves any of this in less than 1.5 minutes.
# [19:00] <danielfilho> and i hate him for this.
# [19:00] <tw2113> i'd like to think i could handle the 2x2
# [19:00] <daleharvey> ugh dumb question but in a rush, how to I start chrome with webgl on osx, I know --enable-webgl but dunno where the exe is
# [19:01] <paul_irish> daleharvey: get the chrome beta or dev channel
# [19:01] <paul_irish> also... see ?g kronos wiki webgl browser
# [19:01] <bot-t> paul_irish, Getting a WebGL Implementation - WebGL Public Wiki - http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Getting_a_WebGL_Implementation
# [19:02] <tw2113> cool #css has a bot command against w3schools
# [19:02] <daleharvey> yeh I am on the beta channel, but they disabled it by default again recently
# [19:03] <danielfilho> it's the same as the 3x3, tw2113
# [19:03] <paul_irish> realllly
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# [19:03] <paul_irish> daleharvey: werid
# [19:03] <paul_irish> daleharvey: also you're active on HN right?
# [19:03] <paul_irish> hi!
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# [19:05] <paul_irish> "Great work on the HTML5 Boilerplate. I was wondering what your thoughts would be on someone maintaining an XHTML 1.0 validating project in parity with with your current releases."
# [19:06] <daleharvey> yup, got here via your twitter as well
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# [19:13] <antonkovalyov> yes! https://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/25240506405494784
# [19:13] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/gOXtjs @cgcardona -- RT @sundarpichai: @bryantdunivan Yes we will have another batch that will ship out this month. Should be an exciting few months ahead.
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# [19:17] <tw2113> cgcardona, don't you know anything about Apple....if it doesn't have a $ next to it, it's not THAT important
# [19:17] <cgcardona> i guess not
# [19:18] <cgcardona> i am wondering what this means for the future of the mac
# [19:18] <tw2113> given the cult of mac....not much
# [19:18] <cgcardona> i disagree
# [19:18] <cgcardona> most developers I know use macs
# [19:19] <cgcardona> on this progression what happens if in a couple of years you can't run GPL on your mac (super doubtful I know)
# [19:19] <cgcardona> just thinkin
# [19:19] <tw2113> doesn't mean that the Apple-run stores have to play along perfectly
# [19:19] <danielfilho> i love scrum, but i hate scrum rats.
# [19:20] <tw2113> they've already removed VLC from the iphone stuff i believe
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# [19:20] <danielfilho> ppl with dinosaur arms
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# [19:23] <cgcardona> has anyone put anything in the chrome app store?
# [19:23] <cgcardona> i have been reading conflicting reports of the success levels
# [19:23] <cgcardona> or I have just been reading stories about apps from the head and apps from the tail
# [19:23] <tw2113> i lack apps
# [19:25] <tw2113> the more i read about this arizona shooter person, the more i think he was a complete moron who got lucky in his task
# [19:25] <tw2113> also, this is classic "Oulda Sisters (Shoulda, Coulda and Woulda)". completely unrelated to the arizona stuff
# [19:26] <cgcardona> I created one app just to try it out https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/apfdpmecfcnnppoifngcmigbhjffofae
# [19:26] <cgcardona> but this was before the chrome app store
# [19:26] <paul_irish> TWO STARS
# [19:26] <paul_irish> sucks.
# [19:26] <cgcardona> this was about 6 months ago
# [19:26] <cgcardona> :p
# [19:26] <cgcardona> i'm surprised that it has even 2 stars
# [19:27] <paul_irish> left you a comment :)
# [19:27] <paul_irish> or a review, rather.
# [19:28] <cgcardona> 1+1 isn't 2?
# [19:28] <tw2113> no, it's 11
# [19:29] <Michael> Is there a droid app that lets you control powerpoint via bluetooth?
# [19:29] <Michael> Having a heck of a time searching
# [19:29] <paul_irish> 1+1 is 10, bro
# [19:29] <Michael> +1 is 100
# [19:29] <Michael> er
# [19:29] <Michael> 011
# [19:29] <Michael> N/M
# [19:30] <Michael> paul_irish, Do you know of any blue-tooth remote control apps for droid?
# [19:30] <paul_irish> i dont know android too well
# [19:30] <Michael> ah np
# [19:31] <Michael> Everyone one I see is wifi
# [19:31] <Michael> but our powerpoint is on a vpn
# [19:34] <cgcardona> I'm still unclear what you mean by your comment paul_irish :-/
# [19:35] <paul_irish> its a binary joke.
# [19:35] <cgcardona> right
# [19:35] <cgcardona> i get that part
# [19:35] <cgcardona> but did i have it on the page somewhere?
# [19:35] <paul_irish> nope
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# [19:36] <paul_irish> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/12/ketchup-dispensing-m.html
# [19:37] <tw2113> ha! "Things are so bad with the dollar, Ke$ha is now spelling her name with the pound symbol."
# [19:37] <cgcardona> that is epic
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# [19:38] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, haha, i just pasted the same tweet in our corp irc :)
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# [19:38] <tw2113> :D
# [19:39] <tw2113> "Instead Google is throwing its hat in with Firefox and Opera, choosing to support the open, royalty-free WebM codec."
# [19:39] <tw2113> except the fact that Google is the one that bought and released the webm codec
# [19:39] <tw2113> unless i'm mistaken somehow
# [19:41] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, it does not mean that the codec is any less open or royalte-free just because google bought and released it
# [19:42] <tw2113> yeah, i'm not saying that
# [19:42] <tw2113> but i just figure it'd be an obvious thing they'd support
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# [19:43] <antonkovalyov> oh yeah
# [19:43] <Ms2ger> There's support and support here ;)
# [19:43] <tw2113> how lovely
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# [19:43] <tw2113> make a tweet about coke and pepsi, which was response to Dave Shea talking about video codec battles being like coke and pepsi
# [19:43] <tw2113> and i get this reply from spam
# [19:44] <tw2113> "XTREME WEIGHT LOSS SYSTEM FREE TRIAL HERE http://bit.ly/e8F6RN @tw2113 = @replies@mezzoblue pepsi is better, diet coke for the diet ones"
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# [19:44] <antonkovalyov> btw, i find it funny that people seem to be forgetting that apple is h264 patent holders. of course they have absolutely no problems with it, but not everybody is apple (fortunately)
# [19:45] <antonkovalyov> is among*
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# [19:48] <tw2113> antonkovalyov, this is perfect for this convo
# [19:48] <tw2113> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24374884@N08/5349656086/
# [19:48] <tw2113> good ole @brucel
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# [19:55] <alcuadrado> antonkovalyov, apple only holds parts of the patents of h264
# [19:55] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, awesome, tweeting :)
# [19:55] <alcuadrado> I think even m$ holds some
# [19:55] <antonkovalyov> alcuadrado, but based on those parts they can negotiate. and the rest of the world is pretty much screwed
# [19:55] <alcuadrado> yeah, of course :P
# [19:55] <alcuadrado> nice pic tw2113
# [19:56] <tw2113> we're only screwed as long as we use the codecs
# [19:56] <tw2113> IE6 is around only as long as people support it
# [19:57] <snover> We’re all screwed; H.264 might be patented but it’s also the superior technology
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# [19:58] <snover> Software patents: everyone loses
# [19:58] <snover> If you use them, you lose; if you don’t use them, you lose
# [19:59] <snover> If you’ve never heard of patents before and just want to watch some TV online, you lose
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> It isn't as superior as you make it out to be
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# [20:01] <snover> It’s faster and it generates superior image quality for a given bitrate
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# [20:02] <snover> Google could have introduced WebM and let people fiddle with it the bitstream for a while to improve these things, but they came out with a frozen bitstream format
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# [20:06] <cgcardona> why do you think they released it that way?
# [20:07] <tw2113> ooh http://creative.mozilla.org/challenges/8
# [20:08] <tw2113> another ooh...you can request the logo in svg format
# [20:08] <snover> cgcardona: So that people could start implementing it immediately
# [20:08] <Moo--> does anyone know html5 based ebooks or ebook readers?
# [20:10] <tw2113> i wonder if they release the shirt with the browser launch, or after
# [20:10] <tw2113> if it's in conjunction, then it looks like march before FF4 official
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# [20:11] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, registration for the dayofjs is not open yet, is it?
# [20:11] <antonkovalyov> or am i just failing at finding the link?
# [20:11] <thatryan> opens tomorrow it looks like
# [20:11] <antonkovalyov> they sent an email saying that it will open today :)
# [20:12] <antonkovalyov> i thought google organizes it and pissed of paul_irish :P
# [20:12] <antonkovalyov> off*
# [20:12] <thatryan> ahh lol
# [20:12] <paul_irish> >:|
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# [20:16] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
# [20:16] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, i thought you're already following me
# [20:16] <antonkovalyov> why are you doing that again?
# [20:16] <paul_irish> ouch burn.
# [20:17] <paul_irish> o. nvm
# [20:17] <thatryan> dunno? lol guess I was not?
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> how could you...
# [20:17] <thatryan> i fail regularly ;)
# [20:17] * tw2113 puts on his flood waders
# [20:17] <tw2113> his middle name is fail?
# [20:18] <tw2113> ryan fail olson?
# [20:18] <thatryan> lol that would suck
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# [20:36] <paul_irish> time to unfollow more people.
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# [20:40] <danielfilho> been on the candy store and saw a mint called "Oral Fixation"
# [20:40] <danielfilho> WTF
# [20:42] <danielfilho> http://cl.ly/38081d0C311x3d233E1F
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# [21:01] <paul_irish> http://blog.mozilla.com/devtools/2011/01/12/devtools-addons-framerate-monitor-workspace/
# [21:03] <tw2113> cool
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# [21:11] <dgathright> Microsoft, just stick to writing software, your jokes aren't that funny. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tims/archive/2011/01/11/an-open-letter-from-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-google.aspx
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# [21:13] <Pewpewarrows> dgathright: their jokes are about as good as the software they write
# [21:13] <dgathright> zing!
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# [21:21] <Michael> Do you guys know of any stereoscopic WebGL demos?
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# [21:48] <danielfilho> how could metallica becomes this shit. damn.
# [21:50] <danielfilho> dgathright: I don't know what's worst. metallica or this shit-letter.
# [21:50] <danielfilho> from ms.
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# [21:56] <dgathright> Correct answer is C) Nickleback
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# [21:58] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
# [21:58] <danielfilho> awesome
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# [22:12] <iamdanw> http://bieber.ly/ HTML5 COMPLIANT
# [22:15] <tw2113> why do i get the feeling that has boilerplate
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# [22:18] <paul_irish> :D
# [22:20] <paul_irish> peol: nice.
# [22:20] <paul_irish> iamdanw: good spot.
# [22:21] <peol> paul_irish: I doubt that'll bring any new visitors though with my mere 300-ish followers :)
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# [22:21] <paul_irish> peol: -1 so far.
# [22:22] <peol> paul_irish: I'm just hoping we're breaking even :)
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# [22:23] <peol> 0!
# [22:29] <antonkovalyov> does anybody know how ga.js was minified? i see a very interesting trick here
# [22:30] <antonkovalyov> they obfuscate even standard methods like toString
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# [22:34] <jus101> antonkovalyov: maybe closure compiler?
# [22:35] <antonkovalyov> jus101, i need to try it again, i don't remember seeing anything in docs about that
# [22:37] <paul_irish> lemme get you the twitter of the guy
# [22:37] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, who works on ga.js?
# [22:38] <paul_irish> mmhmm
# [22:38] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/briankuhn
# [22:38] <antonkovalyov> dude, you're awesome!
# [22:38] <paul_irish> ;)
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# [22:40] <tw2113> stop stroking irish's ego
# [22:40] <tw2113> :D
# [22:41] <paul_irish> tw2113: remind me to tell you to stop drooling next time christian comes in here
# [22:41] <tw2113> i already wrote that on my forehead
# [22:42] <tw2113> besides, considering moving onto Bruce next
# [22:43] <trave> I've implemented a CANVAS drawing tool, thats working great in firefox and chrome, but not in IE... (using a conditional load of excanvas.min.js for 8 and below..) anyone familiar with any specific 2d context methods that do not work through excanvas? Im using like drawImage and clearRect..
# [22:44] <tw2113> other than that, well played paul
# [22:45] <paul_irish> omg enough stroking my ego already. :p
# [22:45] <tw2113> :D
# [22:45] <paul_irish> trave: try out flashcanvas instead of excanvas
# [22:45] <paul_irish> it's faster and more compatible.
# [22:46] <trave> googlin, thanks!
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# [23:01] <danielfilho> does google have an option like "consider only and all words I type"
# [23:01] <danielfilho> ?
# [23:02] <danielfilho> it could be an * on the beginning of the string :~
# [23:02] <jjcollins> there should be
# [23:02] <jjcollins> theres a guide floating around on different things to add to your search queries in google for better results
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# [23:03] <jjcollins> http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=136861 maybe?
# [23:05] <jjcollins> would it be a bad idea to look at breifs from 99designs.com to get ideas for faux websites to create as a show of skill? I'm building a new portfolio and I'm in need of website ideas :p.
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# [23:08] <paul_irish> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/commit/4b67ea5cab
# [23:08] <paul_irish> this is some pretty esoteric html markup trivia but... you might find it interesting
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# [23:09] <tw2113> save the kittens!
# [23:09] <trave> heh, yay for kitten safety
# [23:10] <tw2113> or in the words of Jerry "The King" Lawler.....PUPPIES!
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# [23:17] <paul_irish> ho shit.. http://htmlify.info/ got an upgrade
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# [23:20] <trave> sweet man, thats awesome youve got it doing a generator now, last time i checked out the boilerplate, it felt overwhelming, being able to specify your level of browser support is freakin rad.
# [23:20] <paul_irish> yeah that seems to be the opnion on the street.
# [23:20] <trave> good work
# [23:21] <paul_irish> some other guy did all that.. Ryan Johnson.
# [23:21] <paul_irish> but we're gonna integrate it soonly
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# [23:21] <ben_c> guys what do you think about this.. Airplay in mobile safari requires an opt in:
# [23:21] <ben_c> <video controls width=640 height=368 x-webkit-airplay=allow src=content/side_with_the_seeds.mov> </video>
# [23:22] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, +1 for using disqus :)
# [23:22] <ben_c> just reading through the iOS 4.3 beta release notes
# [23:22] <trave> I got a few lines of: copy(template/js/libs/dd_belatedpng.js) [function.copy]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/htmlify/public_html/generate.php on line
# [23:22] <paul_irish> disqus is good times.
# [23:23] <trave> and other files it "failed to open stream" for.
# [23:23] <paul_irish> trave: yeah i think he's developing it *right now&
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# [23:23] <paul_irish> and doesnt know how to develop not on a production server..
# [23:23] <trave> template/.htaccess, template/js/libs/jquery-1.4.4.min.js, template/js/libs/jquery-1.4.4.js :]
# [23:23] <paul_irish> ben_c: whats airplay do
# [23:24] <ben_c> it streams web video / audio to an Apple TV from iOS
# [23:24] <paul_irish> cooooool
# [23:25] <paul_irish> but now evvvveryone's gonna put that in their video markup
# [23:25] <ben_c> but on video tags it only sends audio unless you opt in
# [23:25] <ben_c> it's icky!
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# [23:25] <paul_irish> sucky.
# [23:25] <ben_c> I'm going to try and make a bookmarklet that drops it in for sites that don't have it
# [23:26] <ben_c> *but* that depends when they check if it should be enabled
# [23:27] <paul_irish> ben_c: make a chrome extension
# [23:28] <paul_irish> you can use your same bookmarklet code. just do it as a userscript
# [23:28] <ben_c> can you get chrome on iOS :P
# [23:28] <trave> chrome extensions rock. i cant believe how easy they made it
# [23:29] <paul_irish> oh right... it has to be on the iOS browser.
# [23:29] <paul_irish> :x
# [23:30] <ben_c> for now at least!
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# [23:30] <ben_c> Reckon a jQuery plugin could be a nicer way of enabling support on your sites instead of ickfiy the video tag?
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# [23:33] <jamesarosen> what the heck are the three elements of a "sources" element? how do you calculate what options are available for the "status" source?
# [23:33] <jamesarosen> rar, wrong room
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# [23:38] <tw2113> i wish the "what's new" page for Firefox4beta would stop showing up whenever I open the browser
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# [23:42] <tw2113> nevermind, deleted a value from about:config
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# [23:43] <paul_irish> i wish that wasnt a default.
# [23:43] <paul_irish> tw2113: what is the setting
# [23:43] <skyler_brungardt> Might be worth a blog post somewhere
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# [23:44] <tw2113> i think i just filtered for the word "new"
# [23:44] <tw2113> startup.homepage_override_url
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