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# Session Start: Thu Jan 13 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:25] <paul_irish> http://oksoclap.com/browserwishlist
# [00:26] <Trisox> nn
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# [00:32] <mikew3c> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/#changes-2010-10-19
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# [00:34] <mikew3c> biggest change is that Undo history feature is out
# [00:34] <mikew3c> UndoManager
# [00:34] <mikew3c> though it remains in the whatwg source
# [00:35] <mikew3c> which essentially makes it a to-be-implemented-in-the-future-if-at-all feature
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# [00:37] <ben_c> cheers for the update, what's special about UndoManager anyway?
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# [00:48] <danielfilho> great!
# [00:48] <danielfilho> :D
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# [01:41] <krunkosaurus> is there a special irc room for iOS html5/css3 develepment?
# [01:42] <danielfilho> krunkosaurus: i'm not sure
# [01:42] <danielfilho> do you need something specific?
# [01:42] <krunkosaurus> can I ask iOS specific questions here?
# [01:42] <danielfilho> I think so.
# [01:42] <krunkosaurus> basically I want to lock the screen horizontally
# [01:43] <danielfilho> like, disabling the rotation while in mobile safari?
# [01:43] <krunkosaurus> so that if you hold up the phone straight (vertical), it still has everything horizontal
# [01:43] <krunkosaurus> yeah basically ignoring rotation after its been horizontalized
# [01:43] <danielfilho> you can make some codes that reads the accelerometer
# [01:43] <danielfilho> but you can't lock the orientation
# [01:44] <danielfilho> so, if the user turns it right, you compensate it, turning the content left
# [01:44] <danielfilho> but there's no api available to turn on or off orientation lock through mobile safari.
# [01:44] <krunkosaurus> ok thanks
# [01:45] <danielfilho> your welcome :D
# [01:45] <danielfilho> *you're
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# [01:49] <ben_c> You've got orientation media queries on iOS that you can use to detect and offset, but yeah.. as mentioned, no locking available
# [01:49] <danielfilho> ben_c: that's what I meant with "ou can make some codes that reads the accelerometer" :D
# [01:50] <ben_c> well there's JS access to the accelerometer, or CSS access to portrait / landscape :)
# [01:50] <paul_irish> was gonna say
# [01:50] <danielfilho> yup
# [01:50] <ben_c> however transforms on iOS use A LOT of memory, so rotating the whole page probably isn't going to work great..
# [01:51] <paul_irish> @media (portrait:landscape){ html {-webkit-transform: rotate(-90deg); } }
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# [01:51] <paul_irish> krunkosaurus: it's worth trying ^
# [01:51] <paul_irish> but probably a bad idea.
# [01:52] <krunkosaurus> interesting idea, thanks paul_irish
# [01:52] <ben_c> if you're feeling really adventurous: -webkit-transition: -webkit-transform 400ms ease-in-out; as well for some animation *gunna kill it*
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# [01:54] <danielfilho> good!
# [01:54] <danielfilho> and I thought I was helping :(
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# [01:58] <grantg> paul_irish: Firefox 4 is making me mad. :/
# [01:58] <paul_irish> why
# [01:58] <grantg> There's a horrible GC pause that occurs every 5 seconds that hangs around for 2 seconds each time on linux.
# [01:58] <grantg> for my emulator
# [01:58] <grantg> when the canvas is scaled up
# [01:59] <grantg> >.<
# [01:59] <grantg> GC pause is specific to linux it seems
# [02:00] <grantg> hmm
# [02:00] <grantg> Interesting possible perf optimization in the GBC emu
# [02:01] <grantg> paul_irish: I'm wondering if I should cache all volume variations of the wave ram in the emu
# [02:01] <paul_irish> o.o
# [02:01] <grantg> so I don't have to actively process such when generating audio samples.
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# [02:02] <grantg> It's bit shifted, because the hardware of an actual gameboy color does that.
# [02:02] <grantg> Not division. :P
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# [02:22] <agu10^> hello
# [02:22] <grantg_> hey
# [02:22] <Evet> hiya
# [02:22] <agu10^> can I apply a blur filter to text in html5 ?
# [02:22] <Evet> sure
# [02:23] <agu10^> or any per-pixel effects?
# [02:23] <dgathright> http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5159668/Yo-dawg-I-heard-you-like-callbacks-so-I-put-a-callback-in-your-callback-so-you-can-keep-calling-back.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=yo-dawg
# [02:23] <agu10^> how
# [02:23] <agu10^> dgathright, that joke is totally worth the long url... 洵
# [02:23] <Evet> gewgle knows
# [02:23] <ben_c> you can use text-shadow to get a blurry effect
# [02:23] <agu10^> who is gwegle?
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# [02:23] <agu10^> 'gewgle
# [02:24] <ben_c> http://www.quirksmode.org/css/textshadow.html
# [02:24] <agu10^> ben_c, and the other pixel effects?
# [02:24] <dgathright> agu10^: =D
# [02:25] <agu10^> does IE handle that? :/
# [02:25] <ben_c> of course not!
# [02:25] <agu10^> anyways, what about per-pixel effects?
# [02:25] <agu10^> like making pixel shaders
# [02:25] <ben_c> you've got text-stroke as well for outlining stuff
# [02:25] <agu10^> do I need to use opengl for that?
# [02:25] <agu10^> I mean, webGL
# [02:25] <agu10^> cool!
# [02:26] <ben_c> canvas lets you do what you want, but then you loose accessibility
# [02:26] <agu10^> anyways, I'd like something more customizable
# [02:26] <agu10^> instead of 'shadow' or 'outline', I would like pixel shaders
# [02:26] <ben_c> Check this out: http://mrdoob.com/123/Water_Type_HTML5
# [02:26] <agu10^> ben_c, oh I see... :/
# [02:26] <agu10^> that's voxesl!
# [02:26] <agu10^> 'voxels
# [02:28] <agu10^> wow, omg! but why is it using voxels? it looks 'pixelated'
# [02:29] <ben_c> I think that was the look he was going for
# [02:30] <ben_c> was just an example of what you can do with canvas :)
# [02:30] <grantg_> For a pixelated canvas when scaled, use -moz-crisp-edges
# [02:31] <grantg_> google it. :D
# [02:31] <agu10^> oh I see
# [02:32] <agu10^> can you develop games on it?
# [02:32] <agu10^> or will all that source code be available? :/
# [02:32] <grantg_> ?
# [02:33] <agu10^> yea
# [02:33] <agu10^> will all html5 games be open source? lol
# [02:34] <agu10^> or can you 'compile' the code
# [02:35] <grantg_> You can compile assembly or C to my GameBoy Color emulator written in JavaScript.
# [02:35] <grantg_> http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
# [02:35] <agu10^> ok thanks
# [02:35] <grantg_> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online
# [02:35] <agu10^> but I mean more modern games
# [02:35] <grantg_> :D
# [02:35] <grantg_> heh
# [02:35] <agu10^> with better graphix
# [02:35] <agu10^> xD
# [02:35] <Evet> one day, everything will be open source
# [02:35] <grantg_> Technically, if you do view-source, you'll find their code
# [02:36] <agu10^> :O
# [02:36] <agu10^> then no
# [02:36] * agu10^ goes back to flash
# [02:36] <agu10^> :P
# [02:36] <grantg_> if they don't use plugins, but of course if they did use plugins, then they wouldn't be HTML5-based.
# [02:36] <grantg_> ;)
# [02:36] <Evet> swf is pretty damn easy to decompile
# [02:36] <grantg_> heh
# [02:36] <grantg_> yeah
# [02:36] <grantg_> true
# [02:36] <agu10^> Evet, well that's true :/
# [02:36] * agu10^ goes for silverlight
# [02:36] <grantg_> try disassembling a gameboy color rom.
# [02:37] <agu10^> that's even easier to decompile
# [02:37] <agu10^> lol
# [02:37] <agu10^> I mean the silverlight stuff xD
# [02:37] <grantg_> not if you know how to hide your routines.
# [02:37] <agu10^> grantg_, lol
# [02:37] <agu10^> grantg_, not really
# [02:37] <agu10^> what I need is an obfuscator
# [02:37] <Evet> why do you want to hide your codes?
# [02:38] <grantg_> agu10^: People would have to know how to work the GameBoy's I/O registers. :P
# [02:38] <agu10^> because I don't trust in everybody
# [02:38] <agu10^> like you do
# [02:38] <grantg_> to disassemble a rom.
# [02:38] <ben_c> Yeah, one of the things I love about the web is digging around seeing how people do stuff, great way to learn
# [02:39] <grantg_> plus the low-level of it weeds out the script kiddies that can't disassemble the custom opcode routines.
# [02:39] <agu10^> yes
# [02:39] <agu10^> well...
# [02:39] <agu10^> it's just like obfuscated code
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# [02:40] <agu10^> but the libraries are also obfuscated
# [02:40] <agu10^> :/
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# [02:40] <ben_c> most libraries are minified to shrink the size, but have the full source available as well
# [02:41] <Evet> agu10^: are you gonne build commercial apps?
# [02:41] <agu10^> Evet, yes of course
# [02:42] <Evet> what if your customers' browser doesnt support html5?
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# [02:53] <agu10^> Evet, then they're screwed :)
# [02:53] <agu10^> I like the idea
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# [03:17] <Telegraphs> what's the best HTML5 charting api? rgraph?
# [03:19] <agu10^> ?
# [03:19] <agu10^> lol
# [03:19] <agu10^> makemychart
# [03:19] <grantg_> ...
# [03:19] <agu10^> makemychart.js and that's it
# [03:20] <Telegraphs> oh, a comedian
# [03:21] <agu10^> I hate comedy
# [03:21] <Telegraphs> grantg_: sorry i ran out on you the other day in #reddit, I forgot my clothes were in the laundry and the place locks up at 10pm
# [03:21] <grantg_> lolz
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# [05:00] <thatryan> anyone have the newest boilerplate not load jquery off the cdn? or the fallback?
# [05:01] <paul_irish> wat?
# [05:02] <thatryan> https://skitch.com/thatryan1/rjdu7/thatryan-ryan-olson-builds-stuff-for-the-internet
# [05:02] <paul_irish> that will happen in file://
# [05:03] <paul_irish> but jQuery will still be there.
# [05:03] <paul_irish> the fallback catches that
# [05:04] <thatryan> ah, why does it do that? because of the trick call thing?
# [05:05] <paul_irish> yes
# [05:05] <thatryan> ok cool thanks
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# [05:25] <paul_irish> http://www.xanthir.com/talks/2011-01-12/slides.html
# [05:25] <paul_irish> this shit is soooooooo dope
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# [05:32] <thatryan> rad slides
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# [05:57] <trave> what does it entail to enable this so called CSSOM ?
# [05:58] <trave> does it need JS to pre-process it? or is this like a css4 spec?
# [06:01] <trave> it will eventually be native to Chrome it seems. yowsa.
# [06:02] <paul_irish> it'll go in at the webkit level
# [06:02] <paul_irish> it wont need a preprocessor
# [06:02] <paul_irish> but if we end up using this in the next 4 years.. people will probably use a pre-processor on the backend so we write like this...
# [06:02] <paul_irish> send this code to supporting browsers..
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# [06:02] <paul_irish> and send the generated processed whatever to old shit
# [06:04] <trave> i love this shizzle. i wish it were native NOW
# [06:05] <trave> I need to start using less at least. my css is pretty tight, but i need to start getting into these condensed modes.
# [06:08] <trave> So Paul, I made that "TimeGrid" jquery UI widget I had mentioned to you a while back. its sweet. plus, since then Ive also make a "LiveCanvas" control, so you can draw back and forth in a web-based chat app, zoom in on pictures and pan around, shiz. And last night I made what I call a "FormTree" .... Im so digging the UI Widget pattern now.
# [06:09] <trave> I want to make them all opensource projects. the code is technically Needle.com's, but I think they would be cool with me opening them up
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# [06:10] <trave> Once I get over the hurdle trying to figure out why IE doesnt want to do the drawImage() canvas 2d context method, we will be able to push it out to production.
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# [06:13] <trave> stupid effin IE.
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# [06:27] <paul_irish> trave: mad cool
# [06:27] <paul_irish> did you try out flashcanvas?
# [06:28] <trave> Ive got it in the repo, waiting for one of the guys to deploy it to staging for me. *sigh
# [06:28] <paul_irish> cant try it without a deploy?
# [06:29] <trave> im on a mac, needing to set up a windows vm... its a pretty intricate set up, running a C backend, on an ubuntu VM for the chat server
# [06:30] <trave> but, that doesnt mean i couldnt get just a working demo
# [06:30] <trave> im dumb.
# [06:31] <trave> i need to have a local IE test setup on my mac anyways, i better read up on setting that up tonight.
# [06:34] <trave> at least I finished my son's pinewood derby car tonight :]
# [06:34] <trave> just need to touch up some of the paint-job
# [06:39] <paul_irish> trave: get virtualbox and some tiny winxp image .torrent
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# [06:51] <trave> sheesh man, I dont know why I havent done this sooner, I found a burned xp cd I had laying around, and been running Ubuntu through VirtualBox for some time now... creating a new windows VM instance now... thanks for pointing me in the right direction Mr. Irish :]
# [06:53] <trave> I had tried to set it up to boot natively from Bootcamp in the past, and freaked myself out thinking I had accidentally wiped my OSX partition while doing so... So I had steered clear from that prospect since.
# [06:53] <trave> VirtualBox Rocks.
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# [06:58] <shichuan> i tot i only need a browser and a console, but i was wrong
# [06:58] <shichuan> toggling between virtual machines is just not productive
# [06:59] <trave> I had been using ubuntu for like 2 years as well, before I got this mac like 6 months ago, my first time using OSX.. It came with the full adobe CS5 suite, so im loving it. But I held my own with Gimp and the command line with Ubuntu...
# [07:00] <trave> Tried out Fedora for a few months before I got the Mac. They all handled what I needed to do.
# [07:00] <shichuan> i love ubuntu, a lot of software are avaible on ubuntu, but the support is bad, very buggy
# [07:00] <paul_irish> i actually prefer frontend dev on windows.. i like having IE6 right there and waiting.
# [07:00] <paul_irish> but... the command line story on windows is pretty shit.
# [07:01] <trave> Apache, SVN, GIT, hackity hack. you dont need too complex of an OS to use VI
# [07:01] <trave> yea, Im pretty proud to have been out of the windows world for a few years now.
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# [07:02] <shichuan> yea... ie is a big reason i use windows, cos ie under wine just dont work that properly
# [07:02] <trave> Back in my windows days, it was mostly just a matter of installing Wamp, and using either Crimson editor, or Zend studio (when work had paid for it)
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# [07:05] <trave> nowadays I havent had to do any PHP anymore, its all jQuery and client-side gui goodness.
# [07:06] <shichuan> is there a Wireshark equivalent on ubuntu?
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# [07:07] <trave> looks like wireshark is downloadable for linux.
# [07:08] <shichuan> arh, i see
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# [07:08] <trave> i havent personally dug too deep into the whole network protocol monitoring biznas, Im sure there are tons of command line style monitoring tools out there though
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# [07:34] <Neiluj> sass === scss.replace(/(\{|\}|;)/g, '')
# [07:34] <Neiluj> ?
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# [07:49] <trave_away> that sounds sassy Neiluj, like Python is to PHP in brevitiy? it relies on indentation?
# [07:50] <Neiluj> actually, I'm asking the question, it seems to be
# [07:51] <Neiluj> I'm a new scss lover
# [07:52] <trave_away> looks interesting
# [07:53] <Neiluj> it is, since scss.prototype = css ;)
# [07:53] <trave_away> are you using command line tools to generate the css, or a client-side js kinda deal?
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# [07:54] <Neiluj> I'm using phamlp : http://code.google.com/p/phamlp/
# [07:54] <Neiluj> generation on the fly
# [07:54] <Neiluj> sass is usually a ruby tool but they port it in PHP
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# [07:56] <trave_away> cool, I hope my time away from Php this past half year, doesnt make me get too rusty with it, I just havent had the time to do any other projects, the codebase im working with now is Python, and C, I stay in my client-side corner, and get to play with jQuery all day
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# [07:57] <trave_away> I made a few quick sites using Node.js, now thats the serverside language Id pick if I were gonna start a new project
# [07:57] <trave_away> I was able to do server-side jQuery snaz.
# [07:57] <trave_away> 1 language to rule them all.
# [07:58] <trave_away> go javascript
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# [08:04] <Neiluj> nowadays I'm also more a front-end than a back-end developer
# [08:05] <Neiluj> I love javascript but I don't think I and my team are ready to use node right now
# [08:06] <trave_away> yea, its a pretty big shift in mindset, callbacks and non-blocking is a different approach for sure
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# [08:06] <trave_away> i just like the idea of using a shared codebase where say like code for validation as an example, would work for both client-side and server-side.
# [08:07] <Neiluj> that's indeed a good argument
# [08:08] <Neiluj> anyway, most of the time I'm using a CMS like Drupal on the server-side, or a framework
# [08:08] <paul_irish> wow. how would a human who is _away actually talk? thats some black magic.
# [08:08] <Neiluj> hehe remote control
# [08:09] <trave_away> the persistance of it is neat, youre not generating a huge string of HTML through apache on every request, what I had going was just using selectors to update the "DOM".
# [08:09] <trave_away> hehe
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# [08:09] <paul_irish> :)
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# [08:10] <trave> got winblows installed, time to debug this pup
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# [08:11] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://paulirish.com/i/efa0.png
# [08:11] <paul_irish> louis WANTS TO COMPETE
# [08:11] <trave> man, I would have never guessed when I was a kid, that I would be running 3 different operating systems simultaneously on a laptop.
# [08:11] <nimbupani> OMG
# [08:11] <nimbupani> does it
# [08:11] <nimbupani> i mean
# [08:11] <nimbupani> does he
# [08:11] <nimbupani> really
# [08:11] <paul_irish> HE DOES REALLY
# [08:11] <nimbupani> like is he doing it delib
# [08:11] <nimbupani> o noes
# [08:11] <nimbupani> that sucks
# [08:12] <paul_irish> YOU ARE GOING DOWN, LOUIS
# [08:12] <Neiluj> anyway, trave, if you're interested in sass convertion with PHP, that's the code I use https://gist.github.com/777518
# [08:12] <nimbupani> paul stop drunk ircing
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# [08:12] <nimbupani> he is such an ass
# [08:12] <nimbupani> if he wants to di delib
# [08:13] <nimbupani> do it*
# [08:13] <nimbupani> o my now it looks like i am drunk. but i swear i am not.
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# [08:13] <paul_irish> does anyone believe her?
# [08:13] <nimbupani> i think this is an echo chamber.
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# [08:14] <trave> Echo! echo. eco. eo. o. .
# [08:15] <Neiluj> with google.fr, h5bp is not really well positioned (6th), that's a shame
# [08:15] <paul_irish> Neiluj: does it pick up the french translation?
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# [08:16] <paul_irish> fr.domain
# [08:16] <Neiluj> nope
# [08:16] <Neiluj> btw, I'm actually remembering I started the h5bp french translation few weeks ago...
# [08:17] <Neiluj> damn, I didn't saw my translation is actually used :)
# [08:17] <Neiluj> it still needs a lot of corrections...
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# [08:18] <paul_irish> oh you started it? ��
# [08:18] <Neiluj> yep
# [08:19] <Neiluj> AWESOME-ER is really hard to translate !
# [08:19] <nimbupani> thanksss Neiluj ��
# [08:19] <Neiluj> well that's the minimum I can do ;)
# [08:20] <Neiluj> btw, do you know why translated version don't have the good font ?
# [08:20] <nimbupani> coz that blasted font is english only
# [08:20] <Neiluj> oh ok, no accent right ?
# [08:20] <nimbupani> yeah :(
# [08:21] <Neiluj> mmh okay
# [08:21] <Neiluj> too sad
# [08:21] <nimbupani> inoo
# [08:21] <paul_irish> nimbupani: https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/commit/75e0cbd611
# [08:21] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA HA AH HA
# [08:21] <Neiluj> it looks like a fake h5bp page ;)
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# [08:21] <nimbupani> ?hi5 paul_irish
# [08:21] <bot-t> �� paul_irish
# [08:21] <paul_irish> ;)
# [08:22] <Neiluj> ahaha !
# [08:23] <paul_irish> pushed live.
# [08:23] <nimbupani> woot
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# [08:25] <Neiluj> paul_irish: you know who needs a french version too ? modernizr...
# [08:25] <trave> have a good night fellas. I'll likely be back on here tomorrow. :]
# [08:25] <paul_irish> Neiluj: yeah it do
# [08:25] <paul_irish> seeya trave
# [08:25] <Neiluj> bye trave
# [08:25] <antonkovalyov> what are you guys translating?
# [08:25] <trave> :]
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# [08:25] <antonkovalyov> i can translate stuff into russian
# [08:25] <nimbupani> http://elis.ws/css-vocabulary/
# [08:25] <nimbupani> >_<
# [08:25] <nimbupani> "A dude"
# [08:26] <nimbupani> THIS BRO LANG NEEDS TO DIE
# [08:26] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: mostly html5boilerplate dot com
# [08:26] <Neiluj> modernizr is so magic, everybody need to know it
# [08:26] <paul_irish> heh.
# [08:26] <paul_irish> nimbupani: oh my god
# [08:27] <paul_irish> i will comment to preserve gender identity!
# [08:27] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA
# [08:27] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, you got it
# [08:27] <nimbupani> thanks paul_irish
# [08:27] <nimbupani> thanks antonkovalyov
# [08:27] <nimbupani> ?g github nimbupani html5boilerplate-site
# [08:27] <bot-t> nimbupani, Issues - nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site - GitHub - https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/issues/
# [08:27] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, can i just fork some repo?
# [08:27] <antonkovalyov> oh
# [08:27] <nimbupani> yeah that is where all the translation stuff is.
# [08:27] <nimbupani> :)
# [08:28] <nimbupani> PRECOG
# [08:29] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/issues#issue/3
# [08:29] <antonkovalyov> yeah already there
# [08:29] <paul_irish> fasttt
# [08:29] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani sent a link above :)
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# [08:31] <Neiluj> does anyone saw some shitty things happening with -webkit-font-smoothing + css3 transforms ?
# [08:32] <Neiluj> I don't know the correct word but the text looks ugly time during transitions
# [08:32] <nimbupani> why do you use font-smoothing?
# [08:32] <Neiluj> because I can ? :p
# [08:32] <nimbupani> :P
# [08:32] <paul_irish> it's probably bad.
# [08:32] <paul_irish> for you.
# [08:32] <nimbupani> yes you dont eat at mcdonalds coz you can
# [08:33] <Neiluj> ;) safari rendering is better with antialiased sometimes
# [08:33] <nimbupani> its all too specific sometime
# [08:33] <paul_irish> except when its not.
# [08:33] <nimbupani> to bother
# [08:33] <Neiluj> right
# [08:33] <paul_irish> in general the browser can make better guesses about type rendering than you
# [08:34] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i feel like this http://paulirish.com/i/7261.png would blow some minds
# [08:34] <Neiluj> wow !
# [08:35] <nimbupani> :D :D
# [08:35] <nimbupani> totes
# [08:35] <nimbupani> pictures speak 1000 words
# [08:35] <nimbupani> and all that
# [08:36] <thatryan> putting a mother effing velociraptor on my site!
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# [08:38] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, could you update translatable strings on that repo? i just ran make messages locally and got quite a few updates
# [08:38] <antonkovalyov> don't wanna commit changes to other languages though
# [08:39] <nimbupani> oh what do you mean antonkovalyov
# [08:39] <nimbupani> the gitignore should take care of that
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# [08:39] <nimbupani> so you create your subfolder and only commit your stuff.
# [08:39] <paul_irish> nah make messages will change up the other files
# [08:39] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/yneltss6236p.png
# [08:39] <nimbupani> oh shii
# [08:39] <nimbupani> yeah
# [08:39] <paul_irish> lemme try to get it for ya
# [08:39] <nimbupani> but how
# [08:40] <antonkovalyov> yeah, this paul_irish guys seems to know his shit
# [08:40] <paul_irish> i'm gonna add RU and then checkout -- the others
# [08:40] <antonkovalyov> cool
# [08:40] <antonkovalyov> lemme know when i can merge from upstream
# [08:40] <nimbupani> oh make messages
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# [08:41] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: `ru` is good rite?
# [08:41] <antonkovalyov> yep
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# [08:43] <antonkovalyov> damn it's all php
# [08:44] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: all set.
# [08:44] <antonkovalyov> cool
# [08:44] <antonkovalyov> see changes
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# [08:46] <antonkovalyov> do i need to translate "HTML5 Boilerplate" or do you want to leave it in english?
# [08:46] <paul_irish> hmmm
# [08:46] <nimbupani> that can be eng
# [08:46] <nimbupani> no?
# [08:46] <paul_irish> eng i guess
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# [08:47] <paul_irish> i have no idea what makes sense for a .ru audience
# [08:47] <nimbupani> thats how it is in other lang
# [08:47] <paul_irish> this is true
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# [08:47] <antonkovalyov> it could be both, depends on how you approach in other lang
# [08:47] <antonkovalyov> ah ok
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# [08:48] <antonkovalyov> COMMENT ARCHIVE FROM BEFORE OCTOBER 26TH 2010 �� comments that were posted before october 26th or after?
# [08:48] <antonkovalyov> "from before" confuses me
# [08:48] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [08:49] <nimbupani> before oct 26
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# [08:50] <antonkovalyov> 迮郇
# [08:50] <antonkovalyov> ty
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# [08:56] <nimbupani> :)
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# [08:57] <Neiluj> I also did not decide if the slogan needed to be translated...
# [08:57] <Neiluj> A ROCK-SOLID DEFAULT FOR HTML5 AWESOME.
# [08:58] <Neiluj> sorry A ROCK-SOLID DEFAULT <<TEMPLATE>> FOR HTML5 AWESOME.
# [08:58] <Neiluj> ;)
# [08:58] <paul_irish> hahahah
# [08:58] <Neiluj> and it's also really hard to translate
# [08:59] <nimbupani> :D
# [08:59] <nimbupani> you do as close a slang as you can in your lang!
# [09:00] <paul_irish> yeah you can make it say "HTML5 Lube for philanderous developers" in french if you want
# [09:01] <paul_irish> nimbupani: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52103
# [09:03] <nimbupani> o
# [09:03] <nimbupani> i have object-fit in my instapaper :s
# [09:03] <nimbupani> but i have not read it :'(
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# [09:10] <Neiluj> my damn, I just showed sass to my fucking manager and asked if we can use it, event if we're not forced to use sass syntax, he said no
# [09:10] <Neiluj> damn stupid
# [09:11] <nimbupani> why would you even ask your manager :)
# [09:11] <Neiluj> the readability argument didn't work
# [09:11] <nimbupani> you just use it
# [09:11] <Neiluj> because I'm not the main css guy, I got a team member
# [09:11] <Neiluj> I'm "too expensive" make css ;)
# [09:12] <Neiluj> to make css
# [09:12] <Neiluj> but I often need to edit his css, and I would love if we could work in a smarter way
# [09:12] <Neiluj> so I need approvment
# [09:13] <Neiluj> he said it was too "labs" ... bullshit
# [09:13] <nimbupani> labs?!
# [09:13] <Neiluj> yeah, experimental, not enough "rock-solid" ;)
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# [09:14] <Neiluj> to go in production... I think he just didn't hear me and fully understand what it was
# [09:14] <nimbupani> ha ha
# [09:14] <Neiluj> maybe 9AM in the morning wasn't the good time to talk about those kind of thing ;)
# [09:14] <Neiluj> -in the morning
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# [09:17] <Neiluj> what I don't get it's why he's so reticent when there's no constraint...
# [09:17] <Neiluj> it's like OOP :-) nobody forces your to code that way, it's just there and you can use it if you're not stupid...
# [09:20] <Telegraphs> can canvas width and height be set from css?
# [09:20] <Telegraphs> so far my experiments are indicating no
# [09:20] <nimbupani> Neiluj: are you < 25 yrs old
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# [09:33] <Neiluj> nimbupani: nope, 29
# [09:33] <Neiluj> why ?
# [09:33] <nimbupani> :)
# [09:34] <nimbupani> no i was curious if your manager was older and hence not receptive
# [09:34] <Neiluj> hehe, actually he's cool, the team is cool, but he's some kind of old-school
# [09:35] <Neiluj> he's reticent to too-new technologies because they can disappear from today to tomorrow, you know what I mean...
# [09:35] <Neiluj> he's a coder himself but 90% PHP only
# [09:35] <Neiluj> (other said : he's a bad front-end developer)
# [09:36] <nimbupani> :)
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# [09:36] <Neiluj> I succeed to make h5bp our starter kit for every projects because I said "paul irish did it !"
# [09:36] <Neiluj> ;)
# [09:37] <nimbupani> wooot
# [09:37] <paul_irish> WOO
# [09:37] <paul_irish> thats awesome
# [09:37] <Neiluj> "he knows John !" ;)
# [09:37] <Neiluj> I'm half-kidding here ;)
# [09:39] <Neiluj> http://www.outlinenone.com/
# [09:44] <ACTRAiSER> hi
# [09:44] <paul_irish> hi ACTRAiSER
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# [10:05] <progzer> Excuse me, is a script tag with an external script AND enclosed scripting elements valid?
# [10:06] <progzer> "The script element either contains scripting statements or it points to an external script file through the src attribute."
# [10:06] <progzer> Thats from w3schools, and it says OR. Just confirming.
# [10:06] <paul_irish> :'(
# [10:06] <paul_irish> progzer: why do you read w3schools
# [10:07] <progzer> Cause it showed up high enough in search results. Sorry, I guess I should go to the spec
# [10:07] <paul_irish> it happens.
# [10:07] <Neiluj> actually w3schools is more digest than the specs :-/
# [10:08] <paul_irish> whats youyr question?
# [10:08] <paul_irish> i dont actually get it
# [10:08] <Neiluj> I read w3s too but if something looks strange I verify
# [10:08] <progzer> Ah, so it is OR.
# [10:08] <Neiluj> <script src="jquery.js"> $(function() {...}); </script> is not valid, that was the question right ? :)
# [10:08] <progzer> True. eaiser to read.
# [10:08] <progzer> Yes, that was the question. And it is not valid.
# [10:08] <paul_irish> correct. all browsers will disregard whats inside the tags
# [10:09] <progzer> "If the src has a URI value, user agents must ignore the element's contents and retrieve the script via the URI."
# [10:09] <paul_irish> and will fetch and execute the src
# [10:09] <paul_irish> ?g ejohn degrading script
# [10:09] <bot-t> paul_irish, John Resig - Degrading Script Tags - http://ejohn.org/blog/degrading-script-tags/
# [10:10] <Neiluj> progzer: otherwise, you can use LABjs :)
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# [10:11] <antonkovalyov> kk bed time, will continue translating tomorrow :)
# [10:11] <nimbupani> bai antonkovalyov
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# [10:11] <antonkovalyov> night
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# [10:46] <_mthz> Anyone know why the attribute value double quoted and attribute value unquoted tokenizer states both have U+0000 NULL handling, but the single quoted state does not?
# [10:46] <_mthz> That seems like a bug?
# [10:47] <mikew3c> _mthz: #whatwg would be a good place to ask about taht
# [10:48] <_mthz> thanks
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# [11:12] <burg> hello. i`m making a paint app in html5 using canvas. how can i make an eraser? i don`t want to paint it with white, becuse the initial board is transparent
# [11:16] <Evet> then paint it with transparent
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# [11:37] <Neiluj> burg: tried http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3328906/erasing-in-html5-canvas ?
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# [11:42] <burg> Neiluj, found the sollution already, thank you
# [11:42] <Neiluj> what was it, I'm curious
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# [11:59] <Neiluj> is it correct to put a <p> inside <a> ? :-/
# [12:09] <mikew3c> Neiluj: it's valid in HTML5
# [12:09] <mikew3c> and supported in browsers
# [12:09] <mikew3c> that is, it works as expected
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# [12:10] <burg> Neiluj, strokeStyle: rgba(0,0,0,0) and globalCompositeOperation = 'copy'
# [12:10] <Neiluj> mikew3c: yeah that's I thought, it's hurting my eyes but useful anyway...
# [12:10] <Neiluj> a contrarior, h1 and others h tags are forbidden inside p :)
# [12:10] <Neiluj> which is logic
# [12:12] <Neiluj> burg: Thx
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# [12:13] <Neiluj> burg: and what happen if you want to paint with alpha (like rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.5) ? does it erase what's behind too ?
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# [16:30] <tw2113> ha! there's hope for me yet....relationship statuses on facebook in 2010: 43,869,800 single, 28,460,516 in a relationship
# [16:30] <skyler_brungardt> Booyah! Get out there and start friending, baby!
# [16:31] <tw2113> i dunno sometimes though, friending there first and then trying to date them...almost feels backwards
# [16:32] <tw2113> and creepy
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# [16:57] <skyler_brungardt> What, you mean being creepy doesn't get you dates? ;-P
# [16:58] <skyler_brungardt> 'Cause personally I find internet stalking flattering. ;-)
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# [17:47] <tw2113> thatryan, stop fighting with amber
# [17:47] <thatryan> lol dude
# [17:47] <thatryan> she pisses me off sometimes
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# [17:47] <thatryan> I mean fuck, joomla, vs wordpress, get over it
# [17:47] <tw2113> of course, she's female
# [17:47] <thatryan> lol
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# [17:51] <Neiluj> is joomla as bad as it was a 2-3 years ago ?
# [17:52] <thatryan> i never used version 1
# [17:52] <thatryan> just started working with it about 9 months ago
# [17:52] <Neiluj> and do you like it ?
# [17:52] <skyler_brungardt> WP FTW
# [17:52] <thatryan> admittedly I did not care for it at first, higher learning curve, but once you "get" it, its great
# [17:52] <thatryan> very powerful MVC
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# [17:52] <Neiluj> never tried Drupal ?
# [17:53] <thatryan> nope, not yet
# [17:53] <skyler_brungardt> Drupal is kinda like legos
# [17:53] <skyler_brungardt> Very powerful
# [17:53] <skyler_brungardt> Very customizable
# [17:53] <skyler_brungardt> Very complicated
# [17:53] <thatryan> lol
# [17:54] <skyler_brungardt> Drupal 7 is supposed to alleviate some of the pains of Drupal 6.x complicated nature
# [17:54] <skyler_brungardt> Personally, I still think Wordpress is the best blend of Drupal and Joomla
# [17:54] <skyler_brungardt> However, it's know for a few security flaws
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# [17:55] <Neiluj> skyler_brungardt: indeed, it's modularity is its best and worst
# [17:56] <Neiluj> and also I'm not a fan of their forms
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# [17:56] <Neiluj> so I'm always doing custom forms
# [17:56] <skyler_brungardt> Neiluj: Yup, me neither. Requires too much micromanagement to get the site the way I want.
# [17:56] <Neiluj> too much <div><div><div><div><input>...
# [17:57] <Neiluj> ;)
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# [17:57] <skyler_brungardt> Ugh
# [17:57] <skyler_brungardt> And spacer divs
# [17:57] <thatryan> this is drupal?
# [17:57] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah
# [17:57] <Neiluj> yup
# [17:58] <skyler_brungardt> If Drupal 7 takes a cue from WordPress, I'll be much happier with it
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# [18:00] <tw2113> i have a strong hate for joomla cause it's really easy to start sinking in divsand
# [18:00] <thatryan> divsand? lol
# [18:00] <tw2113> quicksand...divsand
# [18:00] <skyler_brungardt> Lol
# [18:00] <thatryan> i make all my own templates for it as to avoid their code
# [18:00] <skyler_brungardt> I like that term, divsand
# [18:00] <tw2113> i cleaned up a joomla website from 18+ nested divs into a wordpress site
# [18:00] <Neiluj> on the other side, the node concept is great and I don't know if there's anything like CCK and Views in Joomla & WP but it rocks
# [18:00] <thatryan> pretty soon it will be sectionsand
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# [18:01] <skyler_brungardt> Nodes are good, and you can get a similar concept with not quite as clean a url in WP
# [18:01] <skyler_brungardt> Dunno about Joomla
# [18:02] <tw2113> at least sections have meaning
# [18:02] <skyler_brungardt> Indeed
# [18:03] <Neiluj> and what about imagecache, it's sooo easy to use...
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# [18:04] <felcom> anyone know of a good semantic html5 template for blog comments?
# [18:05] <felcom> or a site that uses one
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# [18:06] <Neiluj> felcom: <ul class="comments"><li><a>Author</a><time>12/01/11</time><p>Lorem ipsum</p></li></ul> :-) ?
# [18:07] <tw2113> to quote a teacher i had back in gradeschool: Take chances, make mistakes, get messy.
# [18:08] <felcom> i'm kinda suprised there isnt a <comment> tag
# [18:08] <felcom> surprised*
# [18:09] <Neiluj> there's <cite>
# [18:09] <felcom> yeah I want to get more semantic than just ul li if possible
# [18:10] <felcom> i was looking at cite, not sure if it's the best fit though
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# [18:10] <tw2113> i've seen comments use definition lists
# [18:10] <tw2113> <dl><dt><dd> etc
# [18:11] <Neiluj> I think <ul><li> is more appropriate, <dl><dt><dd> are more for lexics, dictionaries, documentations...
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# [18:12] <Neiluj> I wish we could use <title> elsewhere than in <head> ...
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# [18:25] <felcom> i wish we could use <summary> outside of the <details> tag...
# [18:25] <felcom> for like...post summaries
# [18:26] <Ms2ger> What's the point?
# [18:28] <paul_irish> i wish we had a semantic tag for every semantic thing ever.
# [18:28] <Neiluj> felcom: why not using <details> ?
# [18:28] <paul_irish> Oh wait. No i don't.
# [18:28] <Neiluj> :)
# [18:29] <Ms2ger> I want <sentence>, <word> and <letter>
# [18:30] <Neiluj> it would be <article><title>Great</title></article>
# [18:30] <Ms2ger> s/title/h1/
# [18:30] <craigbarnes> semantics is supposed to give things meaning - they lose their meaning if you invent your own
# [18:31] <Neiluj> <title> exists and have a huge meaning imo
# [18:31] <craigbarnes> I meant that in reply to felcom
# [18:31] <craigbarnes> bit late :P
# [18:32] <felcom> i understand what semantics is, i just think there are some awkward new tags
# [18:33] <felcom> i would never think that <summary> would require <details>
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# [18:33] <Ms2ger> That's because people whined when we used dt
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# [18:35] <felcom> if only the backstories were published in the docs =P
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# [18:40] <Michael> paul_irish, <thing_that_doesnt_fit_anywhere_else />
# [18:40] <Michael> I'm going to promote that to the ruby community.
# [18:41] <Michael> <acts_as_unknown_content />
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# [18:43] <Ms2ger> There's a Rationale page on the WHATWG Wiki, but I'm not sure how well it's maintained at this point
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# [18:45] <Michael> Hmm
# [18:45] <felcom> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Summary looks like I'm not the only one who thinks the name is silly
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# [18:47] <Ms2ger> Certainly, but that argument has been settled
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# [18:50] <tw2113> ha, http://wordcastnet.com/2011/loophole-to-let-you-view-child-porn-legally/
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# [18:50] <paul_irish> tw2113: a little offtopic.....
# [18:51] <shwetank> tw2113: nice try, fbi
# [18:51] <tw2113> i just found it humorous in bad ways
# [18:51] <paul_irish> shwetank: where you located?
# [18:51] <paul_irish> your tweet times seemed to indicate you were like.. eastern europe
# [18:52] <shwetank> im in india mostly, but i keep travelling to oslo in central europe too sometimes
# [18:52] <paul_irish> Oh! word. :) very cool
# [18:52] <shwetank> :)
# [18:53] <paul_irish> where in india now?
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# [18:53] <shwetank> Its a place called 'Chandigarh' ... i work from home (like most from my team)
# [18:53] <shwetank> its close to new delhi (3-4 hours)
# [18:54] <paul_irish> ?wa time Chandigarh
# [18:54] <bot-t> paul_irish, 11:20:38 pm IST : Thursday, January 13, 2011
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> Designed by Le Corbusier?
# [18:54] <shwetank> Yeah, designed by Le Corbusier
# [18:54] <shwetank> well, most of it anyway
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> (Yay BBC)
# [18:56] <shwetank> you guys mostly in the states I guess?
# [18:56] <Ms2ger> Not me
# [18:57] <alrra> same here :)
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# [18:58] <shwetank> mikew3c used to work in the same team too (if im recognizing him correctly) but that was before I joined
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# [18:58] <mikew3c_> shwetank: Open Web Team at Opera?
# [18:59] <shwetank> yeah :)
# [18:59] <mikew3c_> cool
# [18:59] <mikew3c_> yeah
# [18:59] <mikew3c_> back then it was really just two people: Dave Storey and Hallvord
# [19:00] <shwetank> I joined in late 2007 ... (hallvord is in core now) david is still here though
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# [19:00] <mikew3c> I think Hallvord was in core then too but got called in to do serious JS debugging when needed
# [19:01] <mikew3c> there is nobody in the world like that dude
# [19:01] <shwetank> yeah seriously ... well maybe christian krebs
# [19:01] <shwetank> (the guy behind dragonfly)
# [19:01] <mikew3c> yeah
# [19:01] <mikew3c> mad skills
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# [19:06] <Michael> lynda.com needs webgl
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# [19:08] <paul_irish> webgl is hard. lets go shopping
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# [19:09] <paul_irish> actually html5rocks will publish a sweet webgl demo i worked on next week
# [19:09] <paul_irish> its aiight.
# [19:09] <shwetank> is anyone working on a library to abstract webgl into a more palatable form? like what jQuery did for DOMScripting?
# [19:09] <paul_irish> biggest downside of webgl... you can't do a decent demo without 200k of helper libraries
# [19:09] <paul_irish> yeah there are a few right now
# [19:10] <paul_irish> three.js is probably the sexiest.
# [19:10] <skyler_brungardt> Now that's something worth contributing to
# [19:10] <paul_irish> GLGE is another.
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# [19:10] <shwetank> i'll check those out .. thanks :)
# [19:10] <Michael> paul_irish, Our West Coast team did a demo of stereoscopic webgl yesterday. It was pretty neat.
# [19:10] <paul_irish> baller. i wanna see
# [19:10] <skyler_brungardt> Link?
# [19:10] <Michael> They had a flash app reading your webcam for an orange ping pong ball which when you moved, a 3D/stereoscopic model would follow the ping pong ball
# [19:11] <Michael> It's on the Disney internal wiki :/
# [19:11] <Michael> Sorry - the flash app was for webcam only
# [19:11] <Michael> The model was webgl
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# [19:11] <Michael> I wish Disney would share more of this stuff with the community
# [19:13] <Michael> I was reading articles on issues with quad buffering in webgl for stereo images
# [19:13] <Michael> But this demo ran pretty smooth
# [19:13] <Michael> +e
# [19:13] <Michael> http://www.gamedev.net/topic/558501-webgl-and-stereo-3d-quad-buffering/
# [19:14] <Michael> hmm not very informative
# [19:14] <Michael> brb foodz
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# [19:25] <paul_irish> i love html.
# [19:25] <paul_irish> just sayin. its so nice.
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> No. It's ugly.
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> Oops
# [19:26] <Ms2ger> Looks like I hurt his feelings
# [19:26] <tw2113> nah, he seems to disconnect sometimes
# [19:26] <Michael> Probably the easiest 'language' to learn
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# [19:27] <tw2113> the difficulty is differentiating between good markup and bad
# [19:28] <Michael> I think HTML5 is a step in the right direction
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# [19:28] <tw2113> not w3school's version, just sayin'
# [19:29] <Michael> lol
# [19:29] <Michael> whatwg?
# [19:29] <Ms2ger> Well, I learned HTML from a tutorial that showed how you could show a picture of a table, marked up as a table
# [19:29] <tw2113> and you stayed till the end?
# [19:29] <Michael> My first experience with any kind of language was mIRC scripting in 1993 :D
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# [19:32] <Pewpewarrows> started learning QBasic from my dad in I think it was, '97? after a few months I told him I hated programming and never wanted to do it again (I was 10 or so)
# [19:33] <Michael> heheh
# [19:33] <Pewpewarrows> lo and behold I ended up going to school for it and working in the field
# [19:33] <Pewpewarrows> funny how life works
# [19:33] <Michael> yeah..
# [19:33] <shwetank> i remember LOGO
# [19:33] <Michael> I was performing as Frankenstein at Universal Studios lol
# [19:33] <Michael> Programming between sets
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# [19:34] <tw2113> heee, Big Bang Theory season 1 :D
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# [19:35] <Pewpewarrows> I have a love/hate relationship with BBT
# [19:35] <Michael> Bass10, don't do that
# [19:36] <Pewpewarrows> on the one hand it's great geek humor that you don't get anywhere else on TV, on the other it's a cheesy stereotypical multi-camera sitcom
# [19:36] <Sosby> http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/13/openness
# [19:36] <tw2113> it flat out amuses me, so it's full of win
# [19:37] <Bass10> Michael: don't do what?
# [19:37] <Michael> yes.
# [19:38] <Ms2ger> I agree
# [19:39] <tw2113> i love the exchange between penny and sheldon
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# [20:26] <paul_irish> Michael: http://spidergl.org/
# [20:26] <Michael> paul_irish, Yeah I dig that site
# [20:26] <Michael> That's how I found MeShade
# [20:27] <paul_irish> o word
# [20:27] <Michael> Taking blender courses on Lynda.com since I lost Maya
# [20:27] <Michael> I actually really like it so far. Very powerful
# [20:27] <Michael> I was expected to be disappointed after using Maya, but I'm impressed.
# [20:28] <Michael> s/was//
# [20:28] <Michael> or, expecting. Man I can't type these days.
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# [20:32] <nimbupani> paul_irish: did ya see this? http://davidpaulsson.se/html5-mall/
# [20:33] <tw2113> the almost ultimate question has been answered http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/
# [20:35] <paul_irish> yes
# [20:35] <nimbupani> so i cant find this "very good review" he links to
# [20:36] <paul_irish> ask a swede to see what he really said
# [20:36] <nimbupani> thats why i told the 2 swedes i know
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# [20:38] <trave> paul_irish: thanks for pointing me to flashcanvas, ive got it mostly working now... just have to find out an equivalent to the .layerX event click property that i was using for IE, and why its not paining my drawImage() commands. :]
# [20:40] <paul_irish> wooohoo
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# [20:44] * mr_lou got the "Pro HTML5 Programming" book for Christmas, written by Peter Lubbers, Brian Albers and Frank Salim.
# [20:45] <mr_lou> They each wrote a line in the beginning.
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# [20:45] <mr_lou> Peter starts with a beautiful: "For my beautiful wife, Vittoria, and for my sons - Sean and Rocky. I am so proud of you!"
# [20:46] <mr_lou> Then Brian writes: "For John. You make it all worthwhile".
# [20:46] <mr_lou> And then finally Frank: "For people who still read books"...... :-|
# [20:46] <mr_lou> :-)
# [20:47] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [20:47] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA HA
# [20:47] <nimbupani> Frank is bestie
# [20:47] <paul_irish> mr_lou: the foreword to that book is particularly insightful!
# [20:47] <nimbupani> yes carefully note the editing!
# [20:47] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [20:47] <nimbupani> to that foreword
# [20:47] <paul_irish> ?hi5 @ nimbupani
# [20:47] <bot-t> nimbupani, ��
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# [20:47] <tw2113> tragedy....seeing the bottom of a container of candy
# [20:47] <nimbupani> ?lo5 @ paul_irish
# [20:47] <bot-t> paul_irish, ��
# [20:48] <paul_irish> OMG botty you are great
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# [20:49] <trave> theres a unicode character for everything. :]
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# [20:51] <paul_irish> nimbupani: happy contributor! yay https://twitter.com/#!/eclip5e/status/25633236667342848
# [20:51] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/dMbWpj @eclip5e -- My first commit to an open source web project: http://goo.gl/qq8ha #html5 thanks @paul_irish !
# [20:51] <nimbupani> awww so sweet
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# [20:54] <mr_lou> paul_irish, I see what you mean about the foreword. Clearly the author is some kind of superior genius. :->
# [20:54] <nimbupani> what about the editor of the foreword :(
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# [20:55] <paul_irish> penultimate genius.
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# [20:59] * mr_lou is a lazy mobile developer who's stuck with J2ME till now, but plans to be able to cover Android + iPhone + iPad + Windows Phone 7 with HTML5 in the future.
# [21:00] <paul_irish> do it nowwwww
# [21:00] <paul_irish> just go into html5 and use phonegap and tackle all mobile platforms with ease
# [21:00] <paul_irish> piece of cake
# [21:01] <mr_lou> Oh, I didn't think I needed something like Phonegap when I used HTML5. I thought Phonegap was for HTML4 and such.
# [21:01] <alcuadrado> you don't need it
# [21:01] <alcuadrado> but it's cool
# [21:02] <alcuadrado> really cool
# [21:02] <paul_irish> it's cool if you wanna make web apps but turn em into native apps that are accessible in appstores/marketplaces/etc
# [21:02] <paul_irish> write once, deploy everywhere!!! sorta
# [21:03] <mr_lou> That's what I thought I could achieve with HTML5 without any additional tools.
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# [21:03] <ben_c> well if you wrap it up in a native app you get the viral benefits of the app stores
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# [21:04] <paul_irish> ^
# [21:04] <mr_lou> Ah, of course.
# [21:04] <mr_lou> :-)
# [21:04] <ben_c> phonegap also opens up a lot of the device hardware you can't access from the web (at the moment!)
# [21:05] <ben_c> like the camera
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# [21:19] <paul_irish> "html5-y" is coming into a being as a popular and useful adjective.
# [21:20] <nimbupani> too much mouthful
# [21:21] <Michael> nimbupani, It's in Swedish. I can't use it
# [21:21] <nimbupani> what is?
# [21:21] <Michael> html5mall
# [21:21] <nimbupani> oh yeah
# [21:22] <Michael> From what I can read it's something separate from html5boilerplate
# [21:22] <nimbupani> i know i want to know what the author feels is wrong with html5boilerplate that he offers his own
# [21:22] <Michael> hmm yeah
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# [21:22] <felcom> lets just hope 'html5-y' isnt the new web 2.0...I can just hear the 'social media experts' now...
# [21:22] <paul_irish> too late.
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# [21:22] <felcom> =D
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# [21:26] <tw2113> http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/css_specificity_wars.html
# [21:27] <felcom> awesome
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# [21:29] <Darth_Selector> the overflow is strong with this one
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# [21:29] <tw2113> #whatever #whatever
# [21:29] <tw2113> neal before emporer!
# [21:29] <tw2113> oops wrong movies
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# [21:34] <mr_lou> Hm
# [21:35] <mr_lou> Here's a code I haven't seen before.
# [21:35] <mr_lou> f.apply(c || null, arguments);
# [21:35] <mr_lou> c or null?
# [21:35] <mr_lou> f.apply(take this c object, or if you want just null);
# [21:35] <mr_lou> Nah that can't be what it means.
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# [21:36] <masondesu> mr_lou, where did that come from? js?
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> That just doesn't make sense
# [21:37] <trave> well, if its null, you want to make sure it defaults to NULL :]
# [21:37] <trave> hah
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> If its falsy*
# [21:37] <trave> ah, thats truthy
# [21:38] <mr_lou> yea, looking at the phonegap js
# [21:38] <trave> just enforcing null over 0
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# [21:39] <mr_lou> Also this line I don't get.
# [21:39] <mr_lou> g = g || func.observer_guid || f.observer_guid || this.guid++;
# [21:39] <mr_lou> Never seen || used in the context. What does it do?
# [21:39] <mr_lou> *the = that
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> if (func.observer_guid) g = func.observer_guid; ...
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# [21:41] <mr_lou> So.. if g is nothing or null, then g = func.observer_guid, unless that too is nothing or null, then g is f.observer_guid, unless that too is nothing or null, then g = this.guid++
# [21:41] <mr_lou> Is that it?
# [21:41] <mr_lou> hehe
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# [21:41] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> Also, please write readable code :)
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# [21:43] <mr_lou> Lots of evolution going on in various languages out there in the real world that I don't know of when sticking to good old J2ME.
# [21:43] <burg> hello. how can i scale imagedata in canvas? i`m trying to get a portion of a canvas and show it magnified in another canvas . this is not working: http://codepad.org/S5EL813D , it is only showing the imagedata at its original size
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> Try putting the scale first
# [21:46] <burg> Ms2ger, tried that already, still not working
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# [21:52] <alcuadrado> you can get the image data
# [21:52] <alcuadrado> put it in an image
# [21:52] <alcuadrado> and insert that in the other canvas
# [21:52] <alcuadrado> I haven't tryed it, but think it should work
# [21:56] <burg> alcuadrado, var img = new Image(imageData); ?
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# [21:56] <alcuadrado> let me check
# [21:57] <alcuadrado> I think I have done that with img.src
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# [21:57] <alcuadrado> but that should work I think
# [22:00] <burg> alcuadrado, it is not working
# [22:00] <alcuadrado> new Image(data)?
# [22:00] <alcuadrado> or what?
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> That doesn't work
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# [22:01] <Ms2ger> new Image() takes url, width and height parameters
# [22:03] <alcuadrado> well, so do: var img = new Image(); img.src = myImageData;
# [22:04] <alcuadrado> then, take a look at this: http://diveintohtml5.org/canvas.html#images
# [22:04] <Ms2ger> That's equivalent, and still doesn't work
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# [22:04] <alcuadrado> I have used it something like that in chome and firefox at least
# [22:04] <alcuadrado> I'm not in my lap though
# [22:05] <alcuadrado> so I don't have it now
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# [22:05] <Ms2ger> That would work with toDataURL()
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# [22:14] <ben_c> guys: long shot - does anyone here know someone in the iAds department in Apple, writing some stuff on them and could do with a contact ;-) What with them being 'HTML5' n'all
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# [22:31] <paul_irish> nope
# [22:33] <ben_c> meh was worth a shot, cheers
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# [22:47] <Neiluj> paul_irish: is there a yayquery on the road ??
# [22:47] <paul_irish> hmm?
# [22:47] <Neiluj> +episode
# [22:47] <antonkovalyov> http://dayofjs.com/ tickets going fast
# [22:47] <paul_irish> we have a bunch of footage
# [22:47] <paul_irish> thx anton
# [22:48] <antonkovalyov> holy shit
# [22:48] <antonkovalyov> it was 150 two minutes ago
# [22:48] <antonkovalyov> now it is 89
# [22:48] <Neiluj> no date planned ? :)
# [22:48] <antonkovalyov> pretty sure you don't need a ticket, paul_irish :)
# [22:49] <paul_irish> 78
# [22:49] <paul_irish> well i got one
# [22:50] <antonkovalyov> anybody's driving from the city? :-)
# [22:51] <paul_irish> its a saturday?
# [22:51] <antonkovalyov> thursday
# [22:51] <paul_irish> thatryan: PSSSSST
# [22:51] <paul_irish> oh. i'll ride my shuttle then. :)
# [22:52] <pa7> need a flight to Mountain View :l
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# [23:00] <antonkovalyov> and... tickets are gone
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# [23:07] <thatryan> paul_irish: hey man, whats up I was nommin' on lunch :)
# [23:07] <paul_irish> TOOOO SLOW
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# [23:08] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [23:08] <thatryan> damn what did i miss lol
# [23:08] <antonkovalyov> dayofjs.com
# [23:08] <thatryan> AH SHIT ASS!!!
# [23:09] <thatryan> stupid lunch break
# [23:09] <paul_irish> eat lunch at your desk, ryan.
# [23:09] <paul_irish> always.
# [23:09] <skyler_brungardt> Truer words never were spake.
# [23:09] <thatryan> I had to go buy stuff :(
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# [23:09] <thatryan> epic not win son of a crap bag!
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# [23:14] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, lemme ask if somebody got more than one ticket
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# [23:14] <thatryan> are you guys all going?
# [23:14] <antonkovalyov> everybody got one ticket :(
# [23:14] <antonkovalyov> i am going
# [23:14] <thatryan> ah well, thanks for checking for me :)
# [23:17] <antonkovalyov> get on the waiting list
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# [23:32] <danielfilho> I wish Mountain View was only 2 hours from here.
# [23:32] <danielfilho> :(
# [23:32] <thatryan> how far is it
# [23:32] <danielfilho> like, a million miles.
# [23:32] <danielfilho> more or less.
# [23:33] <danielfilho> I'm in Brazil
# [23:33] <tw2113> ways to have a productive day #36591: Implement ARIA roles on your wordpress site while putting off IE debugging
# [23:33] <tw2113> danielfilho would have to jetski across the atlantic
# [23:34] <thatryan> lol yeah, thats a bit of a drive ;)
# [23:34] <danielfilho> actually my visa has expired.
# [23:34] <tw2113> he really would have to jetski then
# [23:34] <danielfilho> and it takes about 2 months do the paper works
# [23:34] <danielfilho> *to do the...
# [23:35] <antonkovalyov> still have time to get visa before the jsconf
# [23:36] <thatryan> any dates on the next jsconf paul_irish
# [23:36] <paul_irish> its online
# [23:36] <paul_irish> ?g jsconf portland
# [23:36] <bot-t> paul_irish, JSConf Portland, Oregon From May 2-3, 2011 - http://jsconf.us/2011/
# [23:37] <thatryan> bah, oops my bad. I meant jquery conf ;)
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# [23:38] <tw2113> i don't want to know why i don't have A List Apart in my rss reader
# [23:39] <danielfilho> antonkovalyov: I'm REALLY considering it.
# [23:40] <danielfilho> but I wish my 1st trip to us be on us or san francisco. have some friends on those locations.
# [23:40] <paul_irish> i alrady told you
# [23:40] <paul_irish> april 16-17
# [23:41] <danielfilho> is it a jQuery event?
# [23:41] <paul_irish> yam
# [23:41] <danielfilho> you told but I don't remember =/
# [23:42] <thatryan> you told yes, but you said tentative :D
# [23:42] <thatryan> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld2ozfy40t1qb9nswo1_500.gif
# [23:42] <thatryan> lol
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# [23:43] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
# [23:44] <danielfilho> what's the event name? this on april 16
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# [23:51] <danielfilho> shit. now i read it right. sorry :D
# [23:52] <thatryan> ha
# [23:53] <danielfilho> next week I'll start the paperwork on the visa.
# [23:54] <danielfilho> I've read somewhere that it's all on the web. The first steps.
# [23:54] <antonkovalyov> when i was getting mine the whole application was online
# [23:54] <thatryan> does that make it easier
# [23:54] <antonkovalyov> you just need to bring your passport and supportive documents with you
# [23:54] <thatryan> if it is all online?
# [23:54] <antonkovalyov> well the application part is online
# [23:55] <antonkovalyov> you fill it, upload your photo and then schedule an appt with the consular department
# [23:55] <danielfilho> yup, only the application part
# [23:55] <danielfilho> before, you had to do everything on the embassy
# [23:55] <antonkovalyov> pretty much the same, you just don't need to print out the form/photos and they can tell you if you filled something incorrectly before the actual appointment
# [23:56] <antonkovalyov> to ba fair
# [23:56] <antonkovalyov> i heard a lot of bad things about our u.s. embassy in tashkent
# [23:56] <antonkovalyov> but it was much much better than french one
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