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1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 15 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
3. # [00:00] <thatryan> why does bot keep yelling at paul
4. # [00:01] <tw2113> ?fpi
5. # [00:01] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
6. # [00:02] <tw2113> because it's programmed to
7. # [00:02] <thatryan> lol
8. # [00:02] <tw2113> looks like it's conditional too
9. # [00:02] <tw2113> if he does it, it just happens, if we do it, we get an image
10. # [00:02] <paul_irish> wookiehangover said "we say that in our office whenever a solution involves you"
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18. # [00:21] <dgathright> involved in an endless debate on if the Web royally sucks, or if its totally badass.
19. # [00:21] <dgathright> What do you guys think, has the Web lived up to it's potential?
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21. # [00:21] <nimbupani> wat?!!
22. # [00:22] <dgathright> more specifically the open web (JS vs Java crapplets)
23. # [00:22] <davidmurdoch> huh?
24. # [00:22] <paul_irish> i'm in the opinion that java applets are superior to HTML
25. # [00:23] <nimbupani> i think shockwave was much better
26. # [00:25] <dgathright> Applets are so horrible to write though for the vast majority of web pages out there.
27. # [00:25] <dgathright> They really make me appreciate HTML/CSS, despite all their faults.
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30. # [00:27] <NiftyLettuce> any particular OS's you guys find useful for rapid, lightweight, PHP/Ruby development?
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33. # [00:31] <Trisox> http://little-gamers.com/comics/2010-11-24.gif
34. # [00:32] <tw2113> ha
35. # [00:33] <davidmurdoch> hahaha. i love jquery, in the face
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37. # [00:33] <Trisox> indeed :d
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43. # [00:36] <dgathright> NiftyLettuce: OS's? As in, operating systems? Uh.... *nix
44. # [00:36] <danbeam> paul_irish: dgathright just pasted me a comment of yours saying (something to the effect of) "java applets are superior to HTML", can you elaborate on why you think this? (trolling, for real, because of limitations of browser security model, did you mean HTML/JS/DOM/BOM?)
45. # [00:37] <NiftyLettuce> dgathright: yeah im gonna try debian, was using ubuntu, just in the mood to try out new stuf
46. # [00:37] <Trisox> lol
47. # [00:37] <paul_irish> trolling for REAL
48. # [00:37] <NiftyLettuce> dgathright: i know their the same :)
49. # [00:37] <Trisox> http://i.fokzine.net/upload/11/01/110114_97351_ik_wil_ook_meedoen.jpg
50. # [00:37] <Trisox> haha
51. # [00:37] <danbeam> paul_irish: I lol'ed
52. # [00:37] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: hahah
53. # [00:37] <paul_irish> :D
54. # [00:37] <Trisox> ^^
55. # [00:37] <Trisox> hey paulus
56. # [00:37] <paul_irish> sup sox
57. # [00:37] <paul_irish> danbeam: what team are you on
58. # [00:37] <Trisox> not much drinkin beer
59. # [00:38] <danbeam> figured in an HTML5 room, but just had to check
60. # [00:38] <Trisox> whats html5 ?
61. # [00:38] <danbeam> paul_irish: I like girls, if that's what you're asking, :P
62. # [00:38] <Trisox> i'm only here because all the cool kids are here ^^
63. # [00:38] <danbeam> paul_irish: I'm a Yahoo! like dgathright
64. # [00:39] <paul_irish> yeah i know that.. plus your hostname says so
65. # [00:39] <danbeam> paul_irish: oh, do you mean Java vs HTML/JS/DOM/BOM?
66. # [00:39] <paul_irish> no no.. what team at yahoo :)
67. # [00:39] <danbeam> paul_irish: uh, it's not quite public yet, haha
68. # [00:39] <paul_irish> oh/
69. # [00:39] <paul_irish> works for me :)
70. # [00:39] <paul_irish> i'm on the chrome team. dev relations
71. # [00:40] <paul_irish> getting my relatin' on right now!
72. # [00:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: yes, I know, your reputation proceeds you
73. # [00:40] <davidmurdoch> rubitin
74. # [00:40] <Trisox> paul is doing wax on wax off al day to keep the chrome shining ;)
75. # [00:40] <NiftyLettuce> ^ cool kids from cool places inspiring cool kids
76. # [00:40] <paul_irish> my reputation of ♥ing java applets.
77. # [00:40] <danbeam> haha
78. # [00:40] <Trisox> oke no more beers for me :(
79. # [00:41] <NiftyLettuce> drink beer and rewrite my kernel to support my thermal sensors plz
80. # [00:41] <danbeam> paul_irish: I was bitching to dgathright about the lag of native browser capabilities vs. something like the desktop application environment
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82. # [00:41] <paul_irish> danbeam: did your commits to oo-css make their way upstream ?
83. # [00:41] <danbeam> paul_irish: haha, upstream to what, haha?
84. # [00:41] <paul_irish> to nicole's repo i guess
85. # [00:41] <Trisox> ^^ id loled
86. # [00:41] <danbeam> paul_irish: lol, not exactly the same thing, hahaha
87. # [00:42] <paul_irish> O.
88. # [00:42] <paul_irish> i finally clicked.
89. # [00:42] <NiftyLettuce> why do you guys use Git over Mercurial?
90. # [00:42] <paul_irish> last june she said she was starting to write a parser so that she could write an optimizer
91. # [00:42] <danbeam> paul_irish: I'm rewriting with JFlex/CUP at the moment
92. # [00:42] <paul_irish> ?gl @ nicole
93. # [00:42] <bot-t> nicole, http://goodluckwiththatdude.com/
94. # [00:42] <danbeam> paul_irish: lolwut?
95. # [00:43] <paul_irish> she was saying that she could basically write a tool that optimized CSS better than any other.
96. # [00:43] <danbeam> paul_irish: watch the YUIConf presentation of hers
97. # [00:43] <paul_irish> for filesize and efficiency.. and warnings for possible problems...
98. # [00:43] <danbeam> paul_irish: with what she wants in the lang
99. # [00:43] <pluma> NiftyLettuce: Git? Pfssht. Give Fossil a try.
100. # [00:43] <danbeam> paul_irish: good fucking lock with that
101. # [00:43] <paul_irish> ambitious.. but would be cool.
102. # [00:43] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: i use both. branching in git is better.
103. # [00:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: the goal of my jflex/cup implementation is a single pass and be highly more efficient with more optimized output
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105. # [00:44] <paul_irish> sexy
106. # [00:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: but I've found the JFlex / CUP doc shitty
107. # [00:45] <paul_irish> i dont even know what that shit is but it sounds shitty
108. # [00:45] <paul_irish> i was talking with a mozilla dev yesterday who works on the FF ui.. and they actually wrote their own CSS preprocessor.. (like their own SASS/Less) just for convenience.
109. # [00:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: fortunately, webkit is open source and I can borrow their grammar, lolol - http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/css/CSSGrammar.y
110. # [00:45] <paul_irish> smart move
111. # [00:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: the spec is misleadingly simple
112. # [00:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: and if I'm not wrong, I just found 2 bugs in it yesterday (the 2.1 spec's grammar)
113. # [00:46] <danbeam> still there, lol
114. # [00:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: if Nicole wants to re-implement SASS just like I accidentally did, lol, go for it
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116. # [00:47] <paul_irish> forreal
117. # [00:47] <paul_irish> danbeam: did you see tab's presentation slides?
118. # [00:47] <paul_irish> http://www.xanthir.com/talks/2011-01-12/slides.html
119. # [00:47] <paul_irish> some dope ass enhancements to css.. coming soon to a webkit near you
120. # [00:48] <tw2113> nice service here http://www.icantfindmyphone.com/
121. # [00:48] <danbeam> cool presentation method as well
122. # [00:49] <NiftyLettuce> nice guys
123. # [00:49] <NiftyLettuce> :)
124. # [00:49] <danbeam> paul_irish: those same enhancements in webkit's CSS grammar are alot of extra effort for me right now, hahaha
125. # [00:49] <NiftyLettuce> i want to hack my bluetooth headphones so they can control left/right arrow keys
126. # [00:49] <paul_irish> i bet!
127. # [00:50] <NiftyLettuce> are these mixins for CSSOM?
128. # [00:50] <danbeam> paul_irish: still not convinced we need variables in CSS, adding a lexical scope makes things more ... annoying to implement as well as to keep track of for the end-user (web developers in this case)
129. # [00:50] <nimbupani> its for CSS NiftyLettuce
130. # [00:51] <NiftyLettuce> yeah i know, I use SASS and was wondering
131. # [00:51] <paul_irish> psh!
132. # [00:51] <paul_irish> number one request for 10 years.
133. # [00:51] <NiftyLettuce> I meant to say -- are these mixins going to be supported in css3 or some shit?
134. # [00:51] <nimbupani> yes at some point NiftyLettuce
135. # [00:51] <NiftyLettuce> b/c obv cant do it right now :)
136. # [00:51] <paul_irish> it's gonna happen! and it's good for authors
137. # [00:51] <Trisox> danbeam what we need is to do like 100% - 10px
138. # [00:51] <Trisox> or something like that
139. # [00:51] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: css4
140. # [00:51] <NiftyLettuce> wow im pumped!!!!
141. # [00:52] <paul_irish> Trisox: calc is coming
142. # [00:52] <danbeam> expressions and functions are mentioned
143. # [00:52] <danbeam> in 2.1+ (afaik)
144. # [00:52] <NiftyLettuce> is there a mixin for multiple bg images, IE: a grid of images?
145. # [00:52] <Trisox> :D i know i read about like a year ago :)
146. # [00:52] <NiftyLettuce> date/year for css4?
147. # [00:53] <danbeam> nevar/2far
148. # [00:53] <Trisox> beter options for verical positions would be nice as well :D
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150. # [00:53] <NiftyLettuce> i h8 hoefler font license
151. # [00:53] <NiftyLettuce> gotham so sexy
152. # [00:54] <NiftyLettuce> espec in hot pink
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155. # [00:54] <dgathright> Speaking of how "shitty" web dev can be at times (dan's words earlier) and preprocessors, I still think it's pretty crazy we're mostly all coding HTML & CSS by hand. JS libs have really helped out for normalizing after the fact, but seems like a lot of work could be done to normalize & improve on the server-side.
156. # [00:54] <paul_irish> zen coding has done a lot for helping out with HTML scaffolding
157. # [00:54] <dgathright> <cough>server-side JS libs to the rescue</cough>
158. # [00:54] <danbeam> paul_irish: how communicative/involved is Google with Webkit?
159. # [00:54] <paul_irish> and haml as well.
160. # [00:55] <paul_irish> danbeam: google commits probably 40-60% of all commits to webkit
161. # [00:55] <NiftyLettuce> who wants to write a speech to text CSS converter, that acts inside the DOM inspector, so you could say "I want the selector to be green instead of hot pink"
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163. # [00:57] <NiftyLettuce> call guys at CMU for that ^^
164. # [00:57] <danbeam> NiftyLettuce: I lol'ed
165. # [00:57] <NiftyLettuce> you guys use HAML? or would recommend it?
166. # [00:57] <NiftyLettuce> closer and closer im getting to Ruby
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168. # [00:58] <Trisox> NiftyLettuce what did you take in hells name?
169. # [00:58] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: ?
170. # [00:58] <paul_irish> haml is cool for scaffolding but not for actually writing content (like markdown)
171. # [00:59] <paul_irish> i prefer zen coding because its already a lang you know
172. # [00:59] <paul_irish> css selectors.
173. # [00:59] <Trisox> :D
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175. # [00:59] <Trisox> since i use phpstorm i use it a bit :)
176. # [01:00] <Trisox> its geting use to
177. # [01:00] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: what you mean, like drug or something lol?
178. # [01:00] <NiftyLettuce> jetbrains? eeeewwww
179. # [01:00] <Trisox> yes i mean i have to read you text like 10 times to make sense of it
180. # [01:00] <Trisox> what your using then
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183. # [01:00] <NiftyLettuce> me? what I use?
184. # [01:00] <NiftyLettuce> gedit :)!
185. # [01:00] <NiftyLettuce> was an eclipse guy
186. # [01:01] <Trisox> i use to use notepad++
187. # [01:01] <Trisox> i switched like few days ago ^^
188. # [01:01] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: PHPStorm = not free
189. # [01:01] <Trisox> i know
190. # [01:01] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: you work for them?
191. # [01:01] <Trisox> no
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194. # [01:02] <Trisox> NiftyLettuce do you work?
195. # [01:03] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: who do I work for? or do I work? lol
196. # [01:03] <Trisox> make something of it ;)
197. # [01:03] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: I buy all the hotpink pants at Goodwill
198. # [01:04] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: paul_irish will get an unexpected package some day
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202. # [01:05] <Trisox> :| dude what do you want me to answer to that...
203. # [01:05] <Trisox> i mean.... like... saying that... never mind.. no use i think
204. # [01:05] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: hahah
205. # [01:05] <paul_irish> o>O
206. # [01:05] <NiftyLettuce> rofl...
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208. # [01:06] * NiftyLettuce the thoughts of paul_irish ... "hot pink hot pink wom wom wom"
209. # [01:06] <Trisox> paul_irish that expesion dont quite cut it i think...
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211. # [01:06] <Trisox> NiftyLettuce dont you got some place to be?
212. # [01:06] <NiftyLettuce> Trisox: Goodwill sry brb
213. # [01:07] <Trisox> i hope he doest get more of the stuff hes been taking..
214. # [01:07] <Trisox> ^^
215. # [01:07] <NiftyLettuce> I bought this for him... you think he will like? http://cdn1.lookbook.nu/files/looks/medium/589644_4bdf526982f43.jpg?1272926827
216. # [01:08] <Trisox> i feel like repating my self ude what do you want me to answer to that...
217. # [01:08] <Trisox> bbl
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224. # [01:13] <ben_c> http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2011/01/video-debate-cutting-to-the-chase.html - "Video publishers need the VIDEO tag for one purpose only: to support Apple’s non-standard HTML browser and its denial of third-party extensibility via APPLET, OBJECT, and EMBED."
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233. # [01:33] <pluma> ben_c: wtf
234. # [01:34] <ben_c> It's ridonkulous
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237. # [01:43] <antonkovalyov> i wonder if there is an article on html5boilerplate tests
238. # [01:44] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: whatchamean
239. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> i don't understand why do you need such complicated structures
240. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/oy5m1u_93lyn.png
241. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> do you really need such a huge ass array?
242. # [01:45] <antonkovalyov> i am writing basic tests to check if primitives on the page work as expected and wanted to take these tests as an example
243. # [01:45] <paul_irish> yeah these are the tests from qunit
244. # [01:45] <paul_irish> fuck if i know why joern/john wrote em like that
245. # [01:46] <antonkovalyov> hah
246. # [01:46] <antonkovalyov> ok
247. # [01:46] <paul_irish> but there should be better basic tests in there to work from
248. # [01:46] <paul_irish> heh
249. # [01:46] <antonkovalyov> oh while you're here
250. # [01:46] <paul_irish> you should use gyazo
251. # [01:46] <paul_irish> also you should pull boilerplate from github cuz its always better than what we ship to commonfolk
252. # [01:46] <nimbupani> COMMON FOLK
253. # [01:47] <antonkovalyov> do you know if all browsers return function () { [ native code ] } for native funcs?
254. # [01:47] <antonkovalyov> haha common folr
255. # [01:47] <antonkovalyov> folk*
256. # [01:47] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i ..... believe IE doesnt
257. # [01:48] <paul_irish> lets find out!
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259. # [01:48] <paul_irish> http://tutti.tobyho.com:46071/ff4e8d84e8d4fb26514f6dc022081fd3
260. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> ie8 does
261. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> ie8 compat does
262. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> lazy to open up vm with ie6/7 :)
263. # [01:49] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i already did it
264. # [01:49] <paul_irish> lazyface
265. # [01:50] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: join the tutti
266. # [01:50] <antonkovalyov> http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2011/01/video-debate-cutting-to-the-chase.html — [I'm copying that linked comment below, because TechCrunch's Disqus commenting system doesn't seem very web-friendly.] FUCK YOU ADOBE YOUR FACE IS NOT WEB FRIENDLY
267. # [01:50] <paul_irish> hahahahh amen
268. # [01:50] <thatryan> yay weekend has started
269. # [01:51] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: it looks good everywhererrrrr
270. # [01:51] <antonkovalyov> sweet
271. # [01:51] <antonkovalyov> i can use it then as the first check
272. # [01:51] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what is tutti?
273. # [01:51] <paul_irish> now you join. geez
274. # [01:52] <paul_irish> kind of the best ting ever right?
275. # [01:53] <paul_irish> >:|
276. # [01:53] <thatryan> stop crying
277. # [01:53] <antonkovalyov> omg paul_irish what are you talking about
278. # [01:53] <antonkovalyov> me no speak amerikano
279. # [01:54] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: did you click that link?
280. # [01:54] <thatryan> you no can play that card antonkovalyov !
281. # [01:54] <antonkovalyov> ih shit sorry
282. # [01:54] <antonkovalyov> missed it
283. # [01:54] <antonkovalyov> oh my, it's awesome
284. # [01:55] <paul_irish> yup.
285. # [01:55] <paul_irish> DO NOT ALERT OR I WILL CUT YOU
286. # [01:55] <thatryan> whooaaa that is rad
287. # [01:55] <dgathright> Wow, if nothing else, this Chrome/h.264 thing has spurred two totally out of left-field blog posts from Microsoft and Adobe. If I were Adobe, I'd avoid attacking Apple fanbois.
288. # [01:55] <thatryan> ahaha
289. # [01:55] <thatryan> who alerted
290. # [01:55] <antonkovalyov> dunno
291. # [01:56] <antonkovalyov> hahahhmmm
292. # [01:56] <dgathright> But Microsoft's United States of Google post wins the prize as it was just friggin weird.
293. # [01:57] <antonkovalyov> boom
294. # [01:57] <thatryan> not defined
295. # [01:57] <thatryan> :p
296. # [01:57] <antonkovalyov> why are there duplicates of chrome?
297. # [01:57] <antonkovalyov> ... and other browsers
298. # [01:57] <paul_irish> other people on the tutti
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300. # [01:59] <pluma> dgathright: What does "out of left-field" mean?
301. # [02:00] <pluma> antonkovalyov: Sorry, that's me.
302. # [02:01] <dgathright> pluma: odd
303. # [02:01] <pluma> antonkovalyov: i.e. Safari, IE9, Chrome 8 and FF3.6
304. # [02:02] <antonkovalyov> heh
305. # [02:02] <pluma> Thought you mind find it useful =P
306. # [02:03] <pluma> dgathright: Is it some kinds of sports reference?
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308. # [02:05] <antonkovalyov> pluma, wait, what did you do?
309. # [02:05] <dgathright> yeah
310. # [02:05] <pluma> antonkovalyov: connect with those browsers
311. # [02:06] <pluma> antonkovalyov: no idea what's up with the eval errors
312. # [02:06] <antonkovalyov> ah k
313. # [02:06] <antonkovalyov> ty :)
314. # [02:07] <pluma> If you need IE6-8 I can fire up my VMs too
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319. # [02:09] <paul_irish> kinda got it.
320. # [02:10] <antonkovalyov> i have ie8 running
321. # [02:10] <ben_c> https://twitter.com/#!/pud/status/25370576285601792
322. # [02:10] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/gn7Obp @pud -- "So this SEO expert walks into a bar, grill, pub, public house, Irish bar, bartender, drinks, beer, wine, liquor"
323. # [02:10] <ben_c> oh snap!
324. # [02:10] <paul_irish> joke of the week :/
325. # [02:11] <cgcardona> seen that one everywhere now
326. # [02:11] <ben_c> must be working then!
327. # [02:12] <cgcardona> i retweeted it :)
328. # [02:14] <paul_irish> WHOOPS
329. # [02:14] <paul_irish> sorry about print() guys
330. # [02:14] <antonkovalyov> haha
331. # [02:15] <antonkovalyov> tutti is pretty buggy in ie8
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333. # [02:21] <antonkovalyov> aaaah
334. # [02:21] <antonkovalyov> it does all the dom stuff in an iframe
335. # [02:22] <paul_irish> hahahah
336. # [02:22] <paul_irish> this is entertaining
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338. # [02:31] <Trisox> good night all :) bed time
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343. # [02:34] <antonkovalyov> sorry people
344. # [02:34] <antonkovalyov> internet went down
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347. # [02:36] <paul_irish> bumma
348. # [02:37] <cgcardona> the internet went down?!
349. # [02:37] <cgcardona> NNNNNOOOOO!!!!!!
350. # [02:37] <cgcardona> we're all alone out here boyz
351. # [02:38] <cgcardona> I'm scared :-/
352. # [02:41] <antonkovalyov> shit i saw our loader
353. # [02:42] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/n7xpsesy1bmd.png
354. # [02:42] <antonkovalyov> almost success
355. # [02:43] <mikew3c> http://glazkov.com/2011/01/14/what-the-heck-is-shadow-dom/
356. # [02:44] <paul_irish> haha wow
357. # [02:44] <paul_irish> nice
358. # [02:44] <paul_irish> ^ ^ ^^ shadow dom!!!!!
359. # [02:49] <mikew3c> «Believe it or not, SVG has actually had shadow DOM since the beginning. The trouble is, its shadow DOM is very… shady. No, that’s not it. There’s another qualifier that also begins with “sh” and ends with a “y”.»
360. # [02:49] <mikew3c> I like that part
361. # [02:49] <mikew3c> Dmitri should blog more
362. # [02:49] <antonkovalyov> awesome
363. # [02:50] <mikew3c> he used to actually blog before he joined Google
364. # [02:50] <mikew3c> he obviously gots the "can write and explain well" chops
365. # [02:52] <pluma> I wonder how my name ended up in the HTML5 acknowledgements.
366. # [02:52] <pluma> Not that I'm complaining.
367. # [02:54] <antonkovalyov> anybody in sf wanna see tron. me and a couple of coworkers are going tonight
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369. # [02:57] <tbranyen> tron was pretty sweet
370. # [02:57] <tbranyen> i liked it
371. # [02:58] <antonkovalyov> i hope visuals are good
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373. # [02:58] <antonkovalyov> because i am pretty sure the story as dull as the first one
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375. # [03:04] <dgathright> Tron was badass. Saw it twice. Story was decent, could have been better. But, hell, it's Disney. The soundtrack + visuals are some of the best in recent years tho.
376. # [03:07] <antonkovalyov> hey look dgathright followed me on twitter
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378. # [03:08] <mikew3c> pluma: via XSS?
379. # [03:08] <pluma> mikew3c: Not by me.
380. # [03:08] <dgathright> antonkovalyov: =D
381. # [03:08] <pluma> mikew3c: I used to be active in the html and css mailing lists. Maybe I said something clever.
382. # [03:09] <mikew3c> maybe Hixie made a mistake? :)
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384. # [03:09] <mikew3c> just kidding
385. # [03:10] <mikew3c> if your name is in there, it's because Hixie made an actual change to the spec in response to some comment or suggestion you made at one time
386. # [03:10] <mikew3c> i.e., a genuine contribution
387. # [03:10] <pluma> I'm actually rather proud of it, so I'd love for it to stay. I just don't know what caused it.
388. # [03:10] <mikew3c> so… you did said something smart
389. # [03:10] <pluma> I have no idea how that could have happened.
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391. # [03:10] <mikew3c> heh
392. # [03:11] <mikew3c> Hixie probably doesn't remember either
393. # [03:11] <pluma> Maybe Hixie just likes me.
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395. # [03:11] <mikew3c> the Hixie API is more like an immediate-mode graphics API than a retained-mode graphics API
396. # [03:12] <mikew3c> he reads data in, writes it out to the buffer
397. # [03:12] <mikew3c> and then he reads in more, and writes out more
398. # [03:12] <mikew3c> day in and day out
399. # [03:12] <mikew3c> for the last 7 years or so now
400. # [03:13] <pluma> Ah.
401. # [03:13] <pluma> Poor guy. I thought he actually delegated some of his work to his cats.
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403. # [03:17] <cgcardona> congrat on being in the spec pluma - your pay rate on your resume just bumped up a notch ;)
404. # [03:18] <pluma> Well, I'm a freelancer. And most of my clients are too ignorant or ungeeky.
405. # [03:18] <pluma> I did have a perpetual smile the day I noticed that, however. Week, more like.
406. # [03:18] <cgcardona> i doubt it - you'd be surprised how far the buzz of HTML5 has reached
407. # [03:19] <pluma> Well, I could say I contributed, but not knowing what it was that I did in the first place...
408. # [03:19] <cgcardona> mikew3c: amazing description of the hixie API - I am copy/pasting that for later groking ;)
409. # [03:20] <pluma> Uh... yeah, I invented canvas.
410. # [03:20] <cgcardona> you put the ! in <!doctype html> pluma
411. # [03:20] <cgcardona> it was so bland before
412. # [03:20] <pluma> I remember it now. I said to Hixie: "Hixie, you should totally put some element in there which lets me draw pictures of cats with javascript."
413. # [03:20] <cgcardona> that sounds like it would do the trick
414. # [03:21] <cgcardona> I attempted to rename the DAP working group the SNAP working group - but to no avail
415. # [03:21] <cgcardona> *snap
416. # [03:21] <pluma> Oh, snap.
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418. # [03:34] * agu10^ buys flash cs5 and an iphone 4
419. # [03:34] <agu10^> hell im smart
420. # [03:35] <cgcardona> good choices
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424. # [03:37] <thatryan> word
425. # [03:37] <remysharp> two words
426. # [03:37] <agu10^> hm
427. # [03:38] <pluma> What's it with web designers and Apple?
428. # [03:38] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, why jquery docs is not a wiki?
429. # [03:38] <thatryan> apple rules
430. # [03:38] <thatryan> ;)
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432. # [03:38] <pluma> As a programmer I find the walled garden principle revolting.
433. # [03:39] <remysharp> potato rules (does that count?)
434. # [03:39] <thatryan> potato beats apple
435. # [03:39] <thatryan> but carrot beats potato
436. # [03:39] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: they used to be. too much spam and abuse.
437. # [03:39] <remysharp> but lazers eat carrot every time.
438. # [03:39] <paul_irish> now we give trusted people permission to edit the docs
439. # [03:39] <pluma> Apparently all the hip web people now use Apple notebooks with TextMate, writing their sites in Ruby.
440. # [03:39] <thatryan> ah damit! i concede sir
441. # [03:40] <remysharp> and ogars.
442. # [03:40] <remysharp> (yeah, it's spelt like that)
443. # [03:40] <thatryan> lol
444. # [03:40] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, :( wanted to update .tmpl docs
445. # [03:40] <antonkovalyov> oh well
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447. # [03:40] <paul_irish> ill give you an account, antonkovalyov
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449. # [03:41] <thatryan> hows it going remy
450. # [03:41] <antonkovalyov> ty
451. # [03:42] <remysharp> going: through the internets
452. # [03:42] <paul_irish> remysharp: suppppp
453. # [03:42] <paul_irish> how are the internets at this hour
454. # [03:42] <thatryan> to the end of the internets!
455. # [03:42] <remysharp> paul_irish: errrrrr.
456. # [03:42] <paul_irish> hahaha
457. # [03:42] <paul_irish> ♡
458. # [03:42] <remysharp> We make a mega sentence, if only it's one word....
459. # [03:43] <thatryan> ha
460. # [03:43] <remysharp> <3 (I don't know how to make those uber symbols)
461. # [03:44] <paul_irish> i finally set up my keyboard so i can do them on the fly
462. # [03:44] <thatryan> how do you do those
463. # [03:44] <thatryan> dont say magic
464. # [03:44] <paul_irish> alt 2661
465. # [03:44] <paul_irish> but only in the unicode keyboard setup
466. # [03:44] <remysharp> <3 <- like that, forget paul_irish's new skool ways!
467. # [03:44] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: emailed u the creds
468. # [03:45] <paul_irish> hahaah
469. # [03:45] <paul_irish> <333
470. # [03:45] <thatryan> shiny!
471. # [03:45] <thatryan> now make a teddy bear!
472. # [03:45] <thatryan> wait..
473. # [03:45] <davidmurdoch> Qk
474. # [03:45] <davidmurdoch> ninja
475. # [03:45] <davidmurdoch> i'm out!
476. # [03:45] <remysharp> ♡ how dis?
477. # [03:46] <paul_irish> BOOM
478. # [03:46] <thatryan> ooohhh
479. # [03:46] <paul_irish> she's a beaut
480. # [03:46] <remysharp> ☠ muhahah
481. # [03:46] <paul_irish> ?snover
482. # [03:46] <bot-t> our new ☃verlord
483. # [03:46] <thatryan> is that a snowman or pile of poo
484. # [03:47] <remysharp> ☞ da man.
485. # [03:47] <pluma> Don't laugh. Both are in the Unicode standard now.
486. # [03:47] <remysharp> oh thanks.
487. # [03:48] <remysharp> ☢ gahhhhh!
488. # [03:48] <paul_irish> hahaha
489. # [03:49] <remysharp> ♡ <- no worried old chap.
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507. # [04:27] <mikew3c> so friends, later today I will be updating the HTML5-checking backend on all the W3C validator hosts
508. # [04:28] <mikew3c> pulling in a lot of goodness that's been checked in to the sources over the last couple months
509. # [04:28] <grantgalitz> nice
510. # [04:28] <mikew3c> making your validation experiences much funner
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513. # [04:29] <mikew3c> but in the mean time, you can use http://www.w3.org/html/check
514. # [04:29] <grantgalitz> I hope you don't evade my user-agent detection. :P
515. # [04:29] <mikew3c> heh
516. # [04:30] <paul_irish> oh awesome! cool to see the nu validator over here now
517. # [04:30] <mikew3c> http://www.w3.org/html/check is running whatever code is currently in in the validator.nu repo, plus whatever code is in my workspace for the code for the validator backend but has not been checked in
518. # [04:30] <paul_irish> looks sharp
519. # [04:31] <mikew3c> but today it's running what's in the repo, cause I to everything checked in
520. # [04:31] <mikew3c> and i *think* Henri reployed http://validator.nu a few hours back
521. # [04:31] <mikew3c> so those two should be synced up
522. # [04:31] <mikew3c> anyway, I plan on writing up a WHATWG blog post to outline what the changes are
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524. # [04:33] <mikew3c> but if you try either of them and find bugs or weirdness, please take time to report it at http://bugzilla.validator.nu/
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531. # [05:01] <alcuadrado> mikew3c, would the validator now trigger an error if it encounters an xhtml DTD? or only if it's served with html mimetype?
532. # [05:02] <mikew3c> alcuadrado: I think it's always already done that for HTML5 checking if you put any doctype other than <!doctype html> into a doc
533. # [05:03] <mikew3c> dunno what it does for the case of if you have an xhtml doctype and you check it as HTML4
534. # [05:03] <mikew3c> oh
535. # [05:03] <mikew3c> actually, it doesn't let you choose
536. # [05:04] <mikew3c> to validator.nu, XHTML1 and HTML4 are the same schema
537. # [05:04] <mikew3c> alcuadrado: but if you think there's something more it should be warning about, please file a bug report to request it
538. # [05:05] <alcuadrado> oh, I was talking about this one, sorry: http://www.w3.org/html/check
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540. # [05:05] <mikew3c> yeah, that's the same exact backend as http://validator.nu
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542. # [05:05] <mikew3c> it does whatever http://validator.nu does
543. # [05:06] <alcuadrado> that doesn't let you choose xhtml, and say the dtd is invalid. maybe beacuse it's being serverd as text/html, so it triggers html5 mode?
544. # [05:07] <mikew3c> dunno
545. # [05:07] <mikew3c> if you give me a URL or markup fragment I can try testing myself
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547. # [05:09] <alcuadrado> http://www.w3.org/html/check?doc=http://www.patriciopalladino.com/
548. # [05:09] <alcuadrado> the site's just a crappy static html
549. # [05:10] <alcuadrado> the error: Error: Legacy doctype. Expected e.g. <!DOCTYPE html>.
550. # [05:10] <mikew3c> http://www.w3.org/html/check?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patriciopalladino.com%2F&schema=http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml1-ruby-rdf-svg-mathml.rnc+http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml10%2Fxhtml.sch+http%3A%2F%2Fc.validator.nu%2Fall-html4%2F&parser=xml&laxtype=yes
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552. # [05:11] <mikew3c> it does let you choose XHTML validation
553. # [05:11] <mikew3c> if you click the Options button
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555. # [05:11] <mikew3c> either XHTML1 or XHTML5
556. # [05:11] <mikew3c> and you also need to tell it to ignore the Content-Type header
557. # [05:11] <mikew3c> because that page is being served as text/html, not as XML
558. # [05:11] <alcuadrado> never mind, i'm a completly idiot
559. # [05:12] <alcuadrado> I haven't seen that options button :s
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561. # [05:12] <mikew3c> no problem :)
562. # [05:13] <alcuadrado> yeah, I know that problem with the content type, some non-lazy day I'll remove that shit and put something on that domain :$
563. # [05:13] * tw2113 knows w3fools.com is somewhat talked about in #wordpress, and has some chatter on reddit...although not all positive there
564. # [05:14] <mikew3c> alcuadrado: anyway, there do seem to be any errors in that doc other than the doctype
565. # [05:14] <mikew3c> but the spec does define that doctype as an error if you serve a document with it as text/html
566. # [05:14] <mikew3c> so the error is correct
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568. # [05:15] <alcuadrado> I thought that wasn't an error, so great to learn something new :)
569. # [05:16] <mikew3c> hmm
570. # [05:16] <mikew3c> I should double-check the spec to make sure
571. # [05:16] <mikew3c> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/syntax.html#the-doctype
572. # [05:17] <mikew3c> oh
573. # [05:17] <mikew3c> you changed the doctype just now?
574. # [05:17] <alcuadrado> yeah haha
575. # [05:17] <alcuadrado> I took caurage
576. # [05:17] <mikew3c> heh
577. # [05:17] <alcuadrado> and sshed my server for that haha
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581. # [05:18] <mikew3c> anyway, the spec allows XHTML1 strict and XHTML 1.1 but not XHTML1 transitional or frameset
582. # [05:19] <alcuadrado> no transitional? is it on porpouse or acidental?
583. # [05:20] <alcuadrado> accidental*
584. # [05:20] <mikew3c> on purpose
585. # [05:20] <mikew3c> the transition is over
586. # [05:20] <mikew3c> we are now in a better world
587. # [05:20] <alcuadrado> nice =)
588. # [05:20] <alcuadrado> btw:do you work for the w3c?
589. # [05:20] <mikew3c> yeah
590. # [05:21] <mikew3c> my title is "Special Missions Subsection Junior Floor Manager"
591. # [05:21] <alcuadrado> wow, it'd be cool to be making the future of the web =)
592. # [05:21] <mikew3c> http://www.w3.org/People/all#mike
593. # [05:23] <mikew3c> anyway, yeah, working on new technologies for the Web platform is nice
594. # [05:24] <mikew3c> but don't always pay so great
595. # [05:24] <mikew3c> so I have to do some gigolo work on the side
596. # [05:24] <alcuadrado> tokyo? I thought w3c was based in the us. or do you work remotly?
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600. # [05:31] <mikew3c> w3c is based on the Web
601. # [05:31] <mikew3c> team members all over the place
602. # [05:32] <mikew3c> North America, Europe, Japan too
603. # [05:32] <mikew3c> alcuadrado: I officially work at a university here, outside of Tokyo
604. # [05:32] <mikew3c> an hour or so outside
605. # [05:32] <mikew3c> but I live in the middle of the city
606. # [05:33] <mikew3c> and I don't need to go to the office every day
607. # [05:33] <mikew3c> so I work from home mostly
608. # [05:33] <mikew3c> or from cafes around this side of the city
609. # [05:33] <alcuadrado> what a lucky man
610. # [05:34] <alcuadrado> I work from home (freelance) but my university is about 1 hour from home
611. # [05:34] <mikew3c> working from home has some good side and some bad side
612. # [05:35] <alcuadrado> sure
613. # [05:35] <mikew3c> I like working in an office with other people better, really
614. # [05:35] <alcuadrado> I miss a lot my office jobe
615. # [05:35] <mikew3c> yeah
616. # [05:36] <alcuadrado> but since I started studing CS I'm working from home :(
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623. # [05:59] <danbeam> dgathright: check out this awesome paint bug I found in Chrome for OS X (when you're making an <iframe> follow your cursor) --> http://danbeam.org/chrome_iframe_paint_bug.png (working demo: http://danbeam.org/clickjack.html)
624. # [06:04] * dgathright is having fun drawing in chrome
625. # [06:11] * dgathright weeeeeeeeee
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628. # [06:13] <alcuadrado> it's buggin under linux too
629. # [06:13] <alcuadrado> buggy*
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635. # [06:25] <tw2113> ya know what sucks cgcardona ?
636. # [06:25] <cgcardona> hit me with it
637. # [06:26] <tw2113> i have to wonder if my server hosting is low on memory with php.ini
638. # [06:26] <tw2113> trying to install another WordPress blog ad it's giving me a white screen at the install.php stage
639. # [06:26] <tw2113> and*
640. # [06:27] <cgcardona> who do you use?
641. # [06:27] <tw2113> dreamhost
642. # [06:28] <cgcardona> has this happened before?
643. # [06:28] <tw2113> nope
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645. # [06:32] <thatryan> so would you say it's a bad dream?
646. # [06:32] <thatryan> harhar :D
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648. # [06:40] <thatryan> hey paul
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650. # [06:43] <tw2113> i bet you that's what it is...checked the dreamhost wiki for checking memory usage
651. # [06:43] <tw2113> 16442304 total
652. # [06:44] <tw2113> 668000 free
653. # [06:45] <cgcardona> thatryan: i really resisted making that joke
654. # [06:45] <thatryan> cgcardona: heh, well its friday night, i can't hold back :)
655. # [06:46] <tw2113> bring it on mofos :D
656. # [06:47] <thatryan> its brought'n
657. # [06:47] <tw2113> where's the head swivel?
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661. # [06:50] <tw2113> it's preventing me from working on kicking out $awesomewebsite
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665. # [06:57] <cgcardona> tw2113: that sux
666. # [06:57] <cgcardona> i feel ya
667. # [06:57] <cgcardona> you drinkin beer again?
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669. # [06:59] <cgcardona> tw2113: ^?
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671. # [07:00] * mikew3c_ is now known as mikew3c
672. # [07:00] <tw2113> of course
673. # [07:01] <tw2113> but i'm down to a bit more than 1 left
674. # [07:01] <paul_irish> onoes
675. # [07:01] <cgcardona> yikes
676. # [07:01] <cgcardona> it's friday man - what are you gonna do?!
677. # [07:01] <tw2113> oops, just finished the partial one
678. # [07:01] <tw2113> it's midnight, i've had 3 already
679. # [07:02] <paul_irish> hows it goin carlos
680. # [07:02] <tw2113> i'll be fine
681. # [07:02] <cgcardona> irie mon ;-] You?
682. # [07:03] <paul_irish> hahaha totally irie
683. # [07:03] <paul_irish> very pleased with the w3fools campaign
684. # [07:04] <cgcardona> already scheming on ways to come back to tha bay
685. # [07:04] <cgcardona> you should be paul_irish i've seen it in twitter about 500 times today
686. # [07:04] <cgcardona> meme achieved
687. # [07:04] <paul_irish> ?fpi
688. # [07:04] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
689. # [07:05] <cgcardona> hawaii is cool and all but it's no silicon valley
690. # [07:05] <paul_irish> hawaiiiiiiiii
691. # [07:05] <paul_irish> i'm planning on going to hawaii i think.
692. # [07:05] <cgcardona> do you know which island?
693. # [07:05] <paul_irish> to go kiteboarding
694. # [07:05] <cgcardona> probably maui
695. # [07:05] <cgcardona> lot's of kiteboarding there
696. # [07:06] <tw2113> emailed dreamhost
697. # [07:06] <cgcardona> i'm on kauai the garden island - its effin epic http://goo.gl/1zoyZ
698. # [07:06] <tw2113> i can't afford to travel yet
699. # [07:07] <paul_irish> wait.. you're on fucking hawaii?
700. # [07:07] <paul_irish> whyy
701. # [07:07] <tw2113> and this issue with hosting has prevented me from hacking away at my site for handwrittenttweets
702. # [07:07] <cgcardona> i just brought my family here for the winter season
703. # [07:07] <cgcardona> i'm already planning on returning
704. # [07:07] <paul_irish> tw2113: i'm on dreamhost.. all my sites are.. though i'm on the VPS
705. # [07:07] <tw2113> yeah, i'm on the lower end of the hosting areas
706. # [07:08] <cgcardona> my boy had never been to kauai (where his mom and I met) since he was born so we brought him out here for his 2nd birthday
707. # [07:08] <cgcardona> now he's swam in the ocean - mission accomplished
708. # [07:08] <cgcardona> back to tha bay
709. # [07:09] <paul_irish> cooool :D
710. # [07:09] <tw2113> just as a test, i'll install WP 3.0.4, instead of a nightly build
711. # [07:09] <tw2113> or attempt to, i should say
712. # [07:10] <tw2113> it takes longer to upload to the server than it does to install(usually)
713. # [07:10] <cgcardona> so have a lot of people donated money to w3fools paul_irish ?
714. # [07:10] <cgcardona> http://tiptheweb.org/tipstream/3mtvsfracef58/
715. # [07:11] <paul_irish> fuck if i know
716. # [07:12] <paul_irish> we arent accepting donations
717. # [07:12] <cgcardona> you just get the glory and none of the riches?
718. # [07:12] <cgcardona> not a bad deal
719. # [07:12] <tw2113> how about criticism? http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/f2ctp/w3fools_a_w3schools_intervention/
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721. # [07:13] <tw2113> my favorite was "The fonts look atrocious. I'll look again when that's fixed."
722. # [07:13] <paul_irish> Hhhaahaha
723. # [07:13] <cgcardona> gotta luv sum reddit
724. # [07:13] <paul_irish> HN put up a better fight
725. # [07:14] <paul_irish> and then everyone on twitter ate it up.
726. # [07:14] <cgcardona> gotta luv sum HN
727. # [07:14] <tw2113> hn?
728. # [07:14] <paul_irish> noob.
729. # [07:14] <tw2113> this memory issue completely halted the motivation i had tonight
730. # [07:15] <tw2113> totally n00bish
731. # [07:15] <cgcardona> i like: your site is rather odd in that I have to press Pg Dn four times to even get to info on the errors on their site. This is surely the most important part, the supposed raison d'etre of your site. But it's miles below a massive list of twitter handles. No offense (ahem) but I don't give a fuck what your twitter names are, and if I did, I'd look for an "About us" page.
732. # [07:15] <thatryan> paul_irish: shouldnt you be out wreaking havoc in sf?
733. # [07:15] <tw2113> hacker news is my guess based on one google
734. # [07:15] <cgcardona> tw2113: welcome to the club my friend http://news.ycombinator.com/
735. # [07:15] <paul_irish> about to head out.
736. # [07:15] <tw2113> too bad it said "contributors"
737. # [07:16] <thatryan> whats going on in the city
738. # [07:16] <tw2113> and the list just happened to be linked to twitter profiles
739. # [07:19] <tw2113> i am kind of liking the idea of contributing to the WordPress codex
740. # [07:20] <tw2113> hmm, looks like it was a nightly build error
741. # [07:22] <cgcardona> tw2113: yeah that is pretty cool -wordpress rules after all
742. # [07:27] <tw2113> harhar! "I recommend that you try using our One-Click Install to put WordPress on your domain!"
743. # [07:28] <tw2113> i will give them some credit with the one click bit..they are uptodate at 3.0.4
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745. # [07:28] <thatryan> anyone use less or saas or compass?
746. # [07:28] <cgcardona> i have
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748. # [07:29] <cgcardona> i <3 sass and compass
749. # [07:29] <cgcardona> haven't used less but heard a lot about it
750. # [07:29] <thatryan> is less the same type of thing?
751. # [07:29] <cgcardona> from what i understand it's very similar
752. # [07:31] <tw2113> hee, good ID for this install "thetweetmaster"
753. # [07:31] <tw2113> think Ghostbusters 1
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756. # [07:44] <tw2113> now i get service temporarily unavailable errors
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758. # [07:45] <cgcardona> it's tha man tryin to keep you down tw2113
759. # [07:45] <cgcardona> fight the power dude
760. # [07:47] <tw2113> unsure how
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762. # [07:54] <tw2113> cgcardona wanna know what's going in my source comments for the site?
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764. # [07:55] <cgcardona> sure
765. # [07:56] <tw2113> http://wordpress.pastebin.com/1a70zLuV
766. # [07:57] <cgcardona> wow that sick
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769. # [08:05] <thatryan> tw2113: how do you make ascii art stuff like that?
770. # [08:06] <tw2113> http://www.glassgiant.com/ascii/
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775. # [08:12] <tw2113> hawt http://imgfave.com/view/1089112
776. # [08:13] <tw2113> my beer stein is empty...must fix this
777. # [08:14] <tw2113> WordPress be damned when my beer glass be empty
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779. # [08:14] <cgcardona> tw2113: this image no longer exists :(
780. # [08:14] <tw2113> the imgfave one?
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782. # [08:19] <cgcardona> yep
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784. # [08:20] <cgcardona> ok it's back
785. # [08:24] <tw2113> yay
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787. # [08:26] <cgcardona> and yes it was hawt
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854. # [14:10] <mokush> any of you worked with the google feed api?
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869. # [15:45] <Neiluj> hi there
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871. # [15:46] <Ramosa> In NetBeans 7, if I have foo.canvas = function(id) { this.clear = function() {} }; and then do bar = foo.canvas("myCanvas"); and then type bar. (bar dot) I don't get the clear function up in suggestions popup
872. # [15:46] <Ramosa> however I do in Komodo Edit
873. # [15:47] <Ramosa> how to make NetBeans introspect my code for code suggestions?
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880. # [16:21] <ben_c> 10/10 for MS's images on their media queries demo (try resizing the browser *squish*) - http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/CSS3MediaQueries/Default.html
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897. # [17:49] <craigbarnes> anyone who doesn't have a w3schools certification doesn't deserve to be in this channel
898. # [17:50] <craigbarnes> out with you all
899. # [17:50] <paul_irish> :)
900. # [17:50] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: nice site :)
901. # [17:50] <craigbarnes> is it mostly youe work or did you get a lot of help?
902. # [17:51] <craigbarnes> it's quite a big job cataloguing errors on a site like w3schools
903. # [17:51] <paul_irish> it was a collab effort.
904. # [17:51] <craigbarnes> it practically IS a catalogue of errors
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907. # [17:51] <paul_irish> google docs multiuser realtime editting was crucial in collecting errata
908. # [17:52] <craigbarnes> has you ever met anyone who actually has a w3schools certification?
909. # [17:53] <paul_irish> my friend peter got one
910. # [17:53] <craigbarnes> did he frame it and hang it on his wall ? :P
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925. # [18:27] <pluma> paul_irish: Thank you for w3fools
926. # [18:30] <paul_irish> :)
927. # [18:32] * Ms2ger gives paul_irish a w3fools certificate
928. # [18:33] <paul_irish> \o/
929. # [18:34] <craigbarnes> paul_irish, I'm just reading through some boilerplate code again and there's something I can't figure out
930. # [18:34] <craigbarnes> perhaps it's my lack of sleep
931. # [18:35] <craigbarnes> why does this line need the !(IE) :
932. # [18:35] <craigbarnes> <!--[if (gte IE 9)|!(IE)]><!--> <html lang="en" class="no-js"> <!--<![endif]-->
933. # [18:35] <craigbarnes> I'm probably overlooking something stupid here
934. # [18:36] <paul_irish> i think the inner comment isnt legit in CondComment land without the !IE
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936. # [18:37] <paul_irish> it's their syntax n all
937. # [18:37] <paul_irish> it'd also be quite a mindfuck as the code would be quite confusing if we removed !IE
938. # [18:37] <craigbarnes> I took a look at the git history and I could see the point before
939. # [18:38] <craigbarnes> because it was on separate lines
940. # [18:39] <craigbarnes> but it's no so obvious now
941. # [18:40] <pluma> Looks like something that should be disabled for IE <= 8 without being hidden from non-IE users. The "!(IE)" comment is superfluous as non-IE browsers don't support conditional comments.
942. # [18:41] <paul_irish> ^
943. # [18:41] <pluma> i.e. the !IE is just there to play safe in case someone else decides to adhere to conditional comments.
944. # [18:42] <craigbarnes> hmm actually I think I remember reading something about that now
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946. # [18:42] <craigbarnes> something about it causing problems in Dreamweaver
947. # [18:42] <craigbarnes> I'll try to find it
948. # [18:44] <craigbarnes> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki/The-markup
949. # [18:44] <paul_irish> well there was the dreamweaver issue
950. # [18:45] <paul_irish> but this is after a rewrite of that.
951. # [18:46] <ben_c> dreamweaver is always an issue!
952. # [18:46] <craigbarnes> testing time...
953. # [18:46] <paul_irish> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512(v=vs.85).aspx
954. # [18:47] <ben_c> I suggest the boilerplate wraps the whole site in <![if !IE]>
955. # [18:47] <paul_irish> :)
956. # [18:47] <paul_irish> ben_c: did you see the top of w3fools markup?
957. # [18:47] <paul_irish> teehee
958. # [18:48] <ben_c> the shitty bit? haha
959. # [18:52] <pluma> Wait. Right angle brackets don't need escaping?
960. # [18:53] <paul_irish> correct
961. # [18:53] <paul_irish> love that.
962. # [18:55] <craigbarnes> pluma, it's not escaping it's self-closing
963. # [18:55] <pluma> craigbarnes: What? What're you on about?
964. # [18:55] <craigbarnes> "<pluma> Wait. Right angle brackets don't need escaping?"
965. # [18:55] <pluma> craigbarnes: What does self-closing have to do with entities?
966. # [18:57] <craigbarnes> oh never mind, thought you were referring to something else
967. # [18:57] <craigbarnes> no context :)
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969. # [19:01] <pluma> ... you thought I mistook the self-closing slash in XML for escaping?
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971. # [19:02] <pluma> craigbarnes: I've been writing HTML since about 1997. I'm pretty confident I know what I'm talking about.
972. # [19:03] <craigbarnes> pluma, yeah but how am i to know that
973. # [19:03] <craigbarnes> also im sleep deprived and just finished reading a very related article
974. # [19:03] <craigbarnes> so my tiny mind was still a little focused on it
975. # [19:03] <pluma> nm
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977. # [19:05] <craigbarnes> since what you said had no other content for some reason I invented my own :)
978. # [19:05] <craigbarnes> context*
979. # [19:06] <pluma> It was a bit of a leap, though.
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981. # [19:09] <paul_irish> pluma: where you located
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984. # [19:10] <pluma> paul_irish: Germany.
985. # [19:10] <pluma> paul_irish: Why are you asking?
986. # [19:10] <paul_irish> curious!
987. # [19:11] <pluma> Also, I'm 25.
988. # [19:11] <paul_irish> my brother lives in stuttgart. i'm in .de often
989. # [19:11] <pluma> paul_irish: I'm in Cologne, NRW.
990. # [19:11] <paul_irish> cool cool.
991. # [19:11] <pluma> paul_irish: I have friends near Stuttgart.
992. # [19:11] <paul_irish> you friends with joern zaeffer?
993. # [19:12] <pluma> paul_irish: Never heard of him.
994. # [19:12] <paul_irish> he's one of the leads of jQuery UI. lives in cologne.
995. # [19:12] <pluma> Ah
996. # [19:12] <pluma> I don't like jQuery UI =/
997. # [19:12] <paul_irish> :) thats fine
998. # [19:13] <pluma> It's neat, but it's terribly hard to customize. It's easy to _theme_, though.
999. # [19:14] <pluma> paul_irish: Also, I'm sorry to say, but I prefer mootools over jQuery. It's too much magic for my taste.
1000. # [19:15] <paul_irish> i like mootools too
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1006. # [19:30] <craig_barnes> first w3fools...
1007. # [19:30] <craig_barnes> now msdnfools
1008. # [19:30] <craig_barnes> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512#CodeSnippetContainerCode1
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1011. # [19:32] <Trisox> cya all have a nice evening
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1016. # [19:39] <pluma> craigbarnes: That would take forever.
1017. # [19:41] <pluma> This is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFsQvcdmLxc (Marissa Mayer on the effect of latency on user responses)
1018. # [19:42] <pluma> Also interesting: Americans pronounce "news" like "noose".
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1020. # [19:45] <pluma> All the talk about tables is making me dizzy, though.
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1030. # [19:59] <alcuadrado> Pretty nice effect: http://lab.simurai.com/css/toggle/
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