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# Session Start: Sun Jan 16 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:24] <HAITI> Cheers
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# [00:47] <NiftyLettuce> haha... look at all that hot pink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LcplGLXMOI
# [00:48] <NiftyLettuce> even her hair lol
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# [01:10] <Rapala_> holy crap there's a #html5. I love freenode
# [01:10] <Rapala_> anyone know of any gaming portals that accept HTML5 games as opposed to flash games?
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# [01:11] <Rapala_> I'm writing an HTML5 (js / canvas) 2D game engine... primarily targeting iOS. Though, it'd be nice to deploy browser variants as well
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# [01:24] <thatryan> anyone use googles fonts api?
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# [01:33] <thatryan> bueller?
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# [01:52] <tw2113> i use @font-face
# [01:52] <thatryan> dang
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# [01:58] <thatryan> well any thoughts on this:
# [01:58] <thatryan> fonts all show and work great, but the paragraphs seem to ignore the wrapper container width a lot of the time
# [01:59] <thatryan> refresh and then text disappears, or nothing happens, or it fixes it lol
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# [02:06] <tw2113> no idea
# [02:06] <cgcardona> thatryan: url?
# [02:06] <cgcardona> that sounds pretty wacky
# [02:06] <thatryan> not online yet
# [02:06] <cgcardona> likely story :)
# [02:07] <cgcardona> how you doing tw2113 ?
# [02:08] <thatryan> lol will be shortly though, and ill link it
# [02:08] <tw2113> promoting this thought
# [02:08] <tw2113> "save the world! blow it up! it'll be saved from the humans that live on it! we're like germs to it....billions and billions of germs"
# [02:08] <cgcardona> I think I want to marry wget
# [02:08] <cgcardona> i am soooo in <3
# [02:08] <cgcardona> tw2113: interesting thought
# [02:09] <tw2113> i know
# [02:09] <tw2113> i somewhat firmly believe anyone shouting "save the planet!" actually wants to save their own existance
# [02:09] <tw2113> or humans in general
# [02:09] <tw2113> as the earth would be just fine without us
# [02:09] <cgcardona> i can't totally disagree - though I wonder if destroying all humans is the correct asnwer
# [02:09] <cgcardona> *answer
# [02:10] <tw2113> it's the most swift
# [02:10] <cgcardona> but think of the potential of the human mind - we're only just tapping into it
# [02:10] <cgcardona> it's gonna be an exciting couple of decades
# [02:10] <cgcardona> perhaps we will destroy the planet ourselves eventually
# [02:11] <cgcardona> or perhaps we will split off into two species - homo sapiens and cyber sapiens
# [02:11] <tw2113> haha "eat raw cactus gumhead"
# [02:11] <cgcardona> or perhaps we will be conquered by some ET that we signaled with our primitive radio technology
# [02:11] <cgcardona> i'm going for #3?
# [02:11] <cgcardona> *betting on
# [02:11] <tw2113> Nickelodeon had some very creative programming back in the day
# [02:12] <cgcardona> example?
# [02:13] <cgcardona> ren and stimpie
# [02:13] <tw2113> Clarissa Explains it All and the Adventures of Pete and Pete
# [02:13] <cgcardona> *ren and stimpy
# [02:13] <cgcardona> yeah pete and pete rocked
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# [03:13] <davidmurdoch> whipped cream flavored vodka with root beer. nuff said.
# [03:14] <falieson> ha... just opened up a can of rootbear myself... pass me some of the vodka?
# [03:15] <falieson> actually didn't even know there was whipped cream flavored version
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# [03:15] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, merge https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/pull/21 pleeeeease so i could open another request with branches
# [03:15] <antonkovalyov> err with translations
# [03:15] <falieson> I want to create a bandwith tester (from my server to the user) any ideas how I would do this with html5... my first instinct was to do this with flash but I'd prefer to shed my html5 nubiness
# [03:17] <davidmurdoch> My wife and I our house sitting/kid watching and we just raided their stash.
# [03:18] <falieson> It's saturday night... uhg I should be doing something fun, or at least getting drunk and playing eve - not learning html5
# [03:18] <falieson> =)
# [03:18] <davidmurdoch> @falieson, you may be able to do it with firefox 4's fileupload w/ progress tracker
# [03:18] <davidmurdoch> http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/firefox-4-beta-9-a-huge-pile-of-awesome/
# [03:19] <falieson> where's that house! I want some vodka!
# [03:19] <davidmurdoch> orlando
# [03:19] <davidmurdoch> its where the party's at
# [03:20] <falieson> here I come! haha, might just grab a beer from the kitchen instead
# [03:20] <falieson> hmm.. so html5 really isn't built to do something like a bandwith tester yet eh?
# [03:21] <falieson> there is this app that was built in html5 http://bwrnd.com/speed-test/ but it doesn't work well for me at least
# [03:21] <falieson> in chrome
# [03:22] <davidmurdoch> I'm not sure. HTML5 is still a draft though.
# [03:23] <falieson> yeah, i've only seen the highlights - never tried to do anything with it
# [03:23] <davidmurdoch> that speed-tester doesn't do anything in chrome for me
# [03:23] <falieson> I see it has "local data caching", if you had a specific load size you could time the local data caching and that would simulate the "download" half of a bandwith test no?
# [03:24] <falieson> davidmurdoch: it worked for me once, isn't working now for me either
# [03:24] <davidmurdoch> I dunno.
# [03:24] <davidmurdoch> WII time. Gunna get my mario-kart on. Adios!
# [03:24] <davidmurdoch> Wii*
# [03:25] <falieson> ciao, enjoy the vodka
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# [04:08] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: merged up.
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# [04:31] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, thank you kind sir
# [04:36] <thatryan> you are welcome
# [04:36] <thatryan> oh wait, im not paul
# [04:37] <antonkovalyov> easy to make mistake, i understand :)
# [04:40] <thatryan> LOL
# [04:40] <thatryan> hows it going
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# [04:41] <antonkovalyov> good
# [04:41] <antonkovalyov> bought a tv
# [04:41] <antonkovalyov> for the first time in my life
# [04:41] <antonkovalyov> next thing you know, minivan
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# [04:41] <thatryan> NO
# [04:41] <thatryan> TV GOOD
# [04:42] <thatryan> minivan fail
# [04:42] <thatryan> ;)
# [04:42] <antonkovalyov> i now have three monitors
# [04:42] <antonkovalyov> two of them i can't use :D
# [04:43] <antonkovalyov> because you can't plugin more than one screen to mbp
# [04:43] <paul_irish> whyd you buy a TV??
# [04:43] <thatryan> just poke a hole
# [04:43] <paul_irish> projector > tv
# [04:44] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, xbox
# [04:44] <thatryan> xbox you say?
# [04:44] <thatryan> whtcha play?
# [04:44] <paul_irish> projectorrrrrrrrrrrr
# [04:44] <antonkovalyov> cod black ops
# [04:45] <antonkovalyov> if anybody wants a monitor for cheap (like 20 bucks) lemme know
# [04:45] <antonkovalyov> i have two
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# [04:45] <harmaz> is there a way i can disable saving/extracting an image with HTML5?
# [04:45] <paul_irish> no
# [04:45] <thatryan> ssshhh we are talking about games
# [04:45] <thatryan> :D
# [04:45] <antonkovalyov> :D
# [04:46] <thatryan> whats your gamertag dude??
# [04:46] <paul_irish> we always welcome actual ON TOPIC questions. :D :D
# [04:46] <antonkovalyov> what is that, a channel about html5 now?
# [04:46] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, simanyay
# [04:46] <thatryan> ha
# [04:46] <thatryan> sweet mine is thatryan1
# [04:46] <paul_irish> harmaz: but no.. not really... throw it into flash if you wanna protect it. but then again that's also a douche move :)
# [04:47] <thatryan> lol
# [04:47] <harmaz> yeah. apparently my client doesn't know about screenshots :-)
# [04:47] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: sent a friend thingy from xbox.com w00t
# [04:47] <antonkovalyov> lemme walk to my xbox to add thatryan1
# [04:48] <thatryan> havent played black ops online yet, will have to try it
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# [04:48] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, yeah i'll let you know
# [04:48] <antonkovalyov> we play multiplayer with coworkers and friends
# [04:49] <antonkovalyov> much more fun than crappy black ops single player
# [04:49] <thatryan> lol i enjoyed the game ;)
# [04:49] <thatryan> lol paul_irish just saw your "on topic" remark ;P
# [04:49] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, yeah press "x", your character does some weird ass backflip and kills everybody
# [04:49] <antonkovalyov> boring
# [04:50] <thatryan> heh
# [04:50] <antonkovalyov> modern warfare and world at war were much better
# [04:50] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, you play black ops?
# [04:50] <thatryan> paul_irish: can i use html5 to kick ass in black ops?
# [04:50] <thatryan> :D
# [04:50] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, whats your gtalks/jabber?
# [04:50] <paul_irish> i played it yesterday. i'm pretty poor at FPS.
# [04:50] <paul_irish> but its fun
# [04:51] <thatryan> paul_irish: good I am too, get in on this :)
# [04:51] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: thatryan1
# [04:51] <antonkovalyov> you're not very creative with nicknames are you :D
# [04:51] <cgcardona> haha
# [04:51] <paul_irish> better than rolson.
# [04:52] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, we're playing black ops in 30 mins
# [04:52] <antonkovalyov> i'll send you an invite
# [04:52] <thatryan> lol dammit
# [04:52] <thatryan> cool ill try and finish this before then
# [04:53] <paul_irish> whats shakin carlos
# [04:55] <thatryan> can you put ie conditional comments of sort in a js file?
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# [04:56] <paul_irish> sorta but it's bad
# [04:56] <paul_irish> its called conditional compilation but all minifiers choke on em
# [04:57] <tw2113> i need to stop trying to explain development stuff with text, to designers
# [04:58] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, boom https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/pull/23
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# [05:00] <thatryan> ok thanks
# [05:01] <thatryan> translated to russian? well done sir
# [05:01] <antonkovalyov> ty
# [05:04] <cgcardona> awesome antonkovalyov
# [05:04] <antonkovalyov> ty ty ty
# [05:04] <antonkovalyov> it would be more awesome if russian wasn't my native language :)
# [05:06] <thatryan> more impressive yes, but aweomse of you nonetheless :D
# [05:07] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: it's in
# [05:08] <thatryan> thats what she said?
# [05:08] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [05:08] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, awesome, thanks
# [05:13] <paul_irish> http://ru.html5boilerplate.com/
# [05:17] <paul_irish> that's hot
# [05:19] <antonkovalyov> oh nice
# [05:19] <thatryan> lol i can read like 5 words there
# [05:19] <thatryan> :p
# [05:20] <antonkovalyov> gonna show it to a friend of mine who is a journalist. she might make some edits
# [05:20] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: is there a good russian blog i can leave a comment on to point this out?
# [05:20] <paul_irish> habahabru or whatever it is
# [05:20] <antonkovalyov> habrahabr :)
# [05:21] <antonkovalyov> i can post to it
# [05:21] <thatryan> i just tweeted it too :)
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# [05:21] <antonkovalyov> ty
# [05:21] <thatryan> to both my followers
# [05:21] <thatryan> lol
# [05:21] <paul_irish> hehe okay you can post it :)
# [05:25] <antonkovalyov> they are somewhat like tumblr (i.e. you can post "check this out" links)
# [05:25] <antonkovalyov> so i am gonna do that
# [05:26] <thatryan> spaciba!
# [05:26] <antonkovalyov> :D
# [05:26] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, we will start playing now. i'll send you an invite but join whenever
# [05:26] <antonkovalyov> no rush :)
# [05:26] <thatryan> ah crap, ok
# [05:26] <thatryan> thanks
# [05:27] <antonkovalyov> see you guys after sacred CoD time
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# [05:31] <thatryan> paul_irish: decide what your talk will be yet? ;)
# [05:32] <paul_irish> hah nope
# [05:32] <paul_irish> will wing it.
# [05:33] <thatryan> nice
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# [05:44] <thatryan> what yall up to tonight
# [05:44] <thatryan> or morning
# [05:44] <thatryan> heh
# [05:51] <thatryan> paul_irish: do you usually tell ios to not resize your text? or let it auto handle
# [05:51] <paul_irish> autohandle
# [05:51] <paul_irish> s'what its commented it in boilerplate
# [05:51] <paul_irish> s'why*
# [05:51] <thatryan> yeah that why I was just asking
# [05:51] <thatryan> was reading the link next to it
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# [07:39] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, nice tweet
# [07:39] <antonkovalyov> although по-русски means in russian
# [07:39] <antonkovalyov> not just russian
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# [07:42] <paul_irish> ohhhwell
# [07:42] <paul_irish> heh
# [07:42] <antonkovalyov> i wonder if google has some nice font with cyrillic support
# [07:42] <antonkovalyov> headers look not that good right now
# [07:43] <antonkovalyov> nah nothing good there
# [07:43] <antonkovalyov> http://code.google.com/webfonts?subset=cyrillic
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# [08:04] <jo-erlend> I'm reading up on HTML5. I started with w3schools.com, and in relation to the video tag, they're saying: «It is also always a good idea to include the width and height attributes.»
# [08:04] <jo-erlend> shouldn't that be included in the stylesheet instead?
# [08:04] <paul_irish> yup.
# [08:04] <paul_irish> ?g w3fools @ jo-erlend
# [08:04] <bot-t> jo-erlend, W3Fools � A W3Schools Intervention - http://w3fools.com/
# [08:05] <paul_irish> jo-erlend: the only element where it makes sense to have inline width/height is canvas
# [08:05] <paul_irish> img is also.. probably okay.
# [08:05] <thatryan> lol w3fools came into play! thats sweet
# [08:05] <paul_irish> video.... i would probably bring into the stylesheet because you'll probably scale that.
# [08:05] <jo-erlend> canvas, yes, that I can understand. The size would be an important part of the data itself. But why would img be ok but not video?
# [08:07] <paul_irish> iunno.. it'd be okay probably.
# [08:07] <jo-erlend> the stylesheet would override the width and size elements of a video-tag, yes? Perhaps it'd be ok to use the width and height for the resolution of the video, as a tip, but overriding it with css?
# [08:08] <paul_irish> i like that approach.
# [08:08] <jo-erlend> because that information wouldn't be available otherwise?
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# [08:11] <jo-erlend> thanks for the link, btw.
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# [08:16] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/html5/111944/
# [08:17] <nimbupani> woot antonkovalyov
# [08:17] <nimbupani> is that ur site
# [08:17] <antonkovalyov> nah :)
# [08:17] <nimbupani> its pretty big in .ru tho
# [08:17] <antonkovalyov> it's like hmmm reddit
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# [08:17] <nimbupani> :)
# [08:17] <antonkovalyov> mine is anton.kovalyov.net — serving all two visitors a day
# [08:20] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: I hecka just went to your site like 30 minutes ago to spy on you! You got 3 visitors today!! :p
# [08:20] <antonkovalyov> who is third then? O_O
# [08:20] <antonkovalyov> i gotta scale then
# [08:20] <thatryan> lol uh oh
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# [08:23] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: nice!
# [08:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: my frontend feeds bundle subscribes to that one
# [08:23] <nimbupani> o k
# [08:23] <paul_irish> its a big deal
# [08:23] <nimbupani> yeah i thought so
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# [08:26] <antonkovalyov> oh god this is so true http://i.imgur.com/hE0Hm.png
# [08:27] <thatryan> lol true indeed
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# [08:51] <antonkovalyov> i need a side project
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# [08:53] <thatryan> what kind
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# [08:57] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: how abouttttt
# [08:57] <paul_irish> yepnope.js and the polyfill ecosystem
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# [09:05] <thatryan> are you trying to get him to write your talk for you
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# [09:06] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: yt?
# [09:06] <paul_irish> sup
# [09:06] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: I might move out to san fran
# [09:06] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: got an offer...
# [09:06] <paul_irish> woOHOOO
# [09:06] <paul_irish> from who
# [09:07] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: some guy I met about an hour ago, he knows someone that knows mr b gates
# [09:07] <paul_irish> sweet
# [09:07] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: silicon V here I come :)
# [09:07] <paul_irish> do it
# [09:07] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: im only 21, I'd have to drop out lol, I'd prob come for summer this year and then once I finish in spring 2012 I'd move fo realz
# [09:08] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: soo crazy how it happened...
# [09:08] <antonkovalyov> reading about yepnope.js
# [09:08] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: surprisingly I didn't have to mention hot pink!!!
# [09:08] <antonkovalyov> jesus, paul_irish, how many projects do you have?
# [09:08] <paul_irish> a lot.
# [09:08] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: I might take a hand at that lazyload sh*t
# [09:09] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: might take some sh*t off your plate lol
# [09:09] <paul_irish> baller.
# [09:09] <paul_irish> we need to accelerate the conditional loading of polyfills
# [09:09] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: funny.... it was over an irish whisky too... lol
# [09:09] <paul_irish> haha
# [09:09] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: man yo have no idea how excited I am for a call on Monday
# [09:10] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: i feel like calling my parents at 3am
# [09:10] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: this dude have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
# [09:10] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: whats your fav spot in San Fran to grab grub at ?
# [09:11] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: your choice, I'll treat
# [09:11] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: there is a surprise hot pink dessert too lol
# [09:12] <paul_irish> wat
# [09:12] <antonkovalyov> now we need to know who NiftyLettuce is and we'll know what startup is getting a nice exit
# [09:13] <NiftyLettuce> antonkovalyov: lol
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# [09:13] <NiftyLettuce> antonkovalyov: its relatively easy to find out
# [09:13] <NiftyLettuce> irish car bombs ftw
# [09:13] <paul_irish> lol @ surprise hot pink dessert.
# [09:13] <NiftyLettuce> lmao
# [09:13] <paul_irish> looking forward to that
# [09:14] <NiftyLettuce> paul Im so pumped right now
# [09:14] <NiftyLettuce> omg I want to order 1000 pizzas
# [09:14] <paul_irish> MAKE IT 9000
# [09:14] <NiftyLettuce> srsly I'll work on lazyload right now.
# [09:14] <NiftyLettuce> what needs done
# [09:15] <SlexAxton> over 9000 pizzas
# [09:15] <NiftyLettuce> flame f(x) for canvas???
# [09:15] <NiftyLettuce> burnn baby
# [09:16] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: this: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/21
# [09:17] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: it looks like ossreleasefeed might alrdy have somethin?
# [09:17] <paul_irish> nah
# [09:17] <NiftyLettuce> kk
# [09:17] <paul_irish> hardly useful results
# [09:17] <paul_irish> i need charts and STATISTICAL RIGOR
# [09:17] <NiftyLettuce> so basically you just need canvas in IE?
# [09:18] <paul_irish> basically.
# [09:18] <NiftyLettuce> that might be out of my league for now, especially with whats on my mind right now, but I know someone who can help.... buddy from Google in Pitt
# [09:18] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: considering PHP is like my brother...
# [09:19] <paul_irish> yeah bro
# [09:19] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: ill give him a call tomorrow...
# [09:19] <paul_irish> fuckin a
# [09:19] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: he dev'd a fucking sick Facebook APP
# [09:19] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: btw, I hit 3k hits yesterday on that app... http://profilepane.com
# [09:20] <NiftyLettuce> over 100k hits so far
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# [09:20] <NiftyLettuce> hot pink ftw.
# [09:20] <paul_irish> :D
# [09:20] <NiftyLettuce> srsly not even promoting it, ppl hit the site on its own
# [09:20] <NiftyLettuce> srsly those irish bombs were ftw.
# [09:20] <jeffszusz> agreed.
# [09:21] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: buddy does insane Java.... he should do canvas no problem...
# [09:21] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: he did insane shit for AOL
# [09:21] <thatryan> lol i just broke my own site
# [09:25] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: hoW?
# [09:26] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: I know of an easy way to fix... go2 goog img's and pull up some hot pink pants, then link to paul
# [09:27] <thatryan> lol
# [09:27] <thatryan> everything links to paul ;)
# [09:27] <thatryan> not sure what i did, uninstalled the wp i had there to install the new site i just finished, all went to hell
# [09:30] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: thats not too specific...
# [09:30] <thatryan> which is why its a problem ;) nothing should have got brokeded
# [09:30] <NiftyLettuce> whos your host
# [09:31] <NiftyLettuce> how did you "uninstall" wp?
# [09:32] <thatryan> I love media temple, I tweeted them, they just fixed it :)
# [09:32] <NiftyLettuce> nice (mt) ftw
# [09:32] <NiftyLettuce> i <3 linode
# [09:33] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what do you mean by "accelerate conditional loading"? as far as i can see from the demo, yepnope just checks for feature and loads a set of files
# [09:33] <paul_irish> i want more people using yepnope and loading polyfills
# [09:33] <paul_irish> and i want polyfills for everything!
# [09:33] <paul_irish> EVERYTHIGN
# [09:33] <paul_irish> !!!!!!1`1`
# [09:33] <NiftyLettuce> !?!?!!?
# [09:33] <thatryan> NiftyLettuce: where would you be moving from to out here?
# [09:33] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: PA
# [09:33] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: haha big move
# [09:34] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: only 21
# [09:34] <thatryan> paul_irish: noted, I will study on yepnope and poyfills. never used it yet
# [09:34] <thatryan> :)
# [09:34] <thatryan> hah my housemate is from PA
# [09:34] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, well it would be nice to have a list of what polyfills we have now
# [09:34] <NiftyLettuce> css4 <3
# [09:34] <NiftyLettuce> native mixins FTW!!!!?!?!
# [09:34] <NiftyLettuce> I want a mixin called +irish and it will make color: green;
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# [09:35] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: want to learn yepnope right now w/me?
# [09:35] <thatryan> hows that
# [09:35] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: o would it
# [09:36] <paul_irish> you mean like
# [09:36] <paul_irish> http://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
# [09:36] <paul_irish> this one?
# [09:36] <antonkovalyov> yeah :)
# [09:36] <paul_irish> \o/
# [09:36] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: ... i need tons of help with SVG sh*t....
# [09:36] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: box2d :/ ... for someone who failed calculus twice
# [09:37] <thatryan> yay calculus
# [09:37] <thatryan> that was fun class :p
# [09:38] <antonkovalyov> what do you mean learn yepnope. the thing checks for condition and loads files based on the result.
# [09:38] <antonkovalyov> boom
# [09:38] <antonkovalyov> you learned
# [09:38] <NiftyLettuce> any of you guys paly iwth box2d yet
# [09:38] <NiftyLettuce> play* with*
# [09:39] <NiftyLettuce> sorry, new wireless keyboard lol
# [09:39] <antonkovalyov> code nicely written though
# [09:39] <NiftyLettuce> getting lazy(load) er.... ha
# [09:39] <NiftyLettuce> antonkovalyov: orly? that e-z? I will have to try
# [09:39] <antonkovalyov> NiftyLettuce, unless i missed something
# [09:40] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, how easyXDM is a polyfill. shouldn't polyfill have the same api?
# [09:40] <antonkovalyov> ooooh shit
# [09:40] <antonkovalyov> i could make easyXDM a polyfill
# [09:40] <paul_irish> HOLLERR
# [09:40] <Neiluj> yyhyyyyyyhhhhhhhhhhhh b
# [09:42] <NiftyLettuce> in yepnope, for test: could I pass a function like mytest() and yep = true and nope = false... right?
# [09:42] <paul_irish> bingo
# [09:42] <NiftyLettuce> i love hot pink.
# [09:42] <NiftyLettuce> lol
# [09:43] <NiftyLettuce> i saw this blonde babe earlier, she had hot pink purse, immediately I thought of boilerplate lol
# [09:43] <SlexAxton> poidh
# [09:44] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: any good examples of where yepnope is resourceful?
# [09:45] <paul_irish> ?ud poidh
# [09:45] <bot-t> paul_irish, POIDH - 'Pics Or It Didn't Happen' 1. A phrase first originating on discussion forum theroot42.org, posted as a "nice way of saying bullshit". 2. Alternatively posted in a jokingly nosy sense, asking another person to reveal more than they should.
# [09:45] <paul_irish> ?g mothereffinghsl @ NiftyLettuce
# [09:45] <bot-t> NiftyLettuce, Mothereffing HSL - http://mothereffinghsl.com/
# [09:45] <paul_irish> i use yepnope there for the input type=range polyfill
# [09:45] <antonkovalyov> interesting, we have all this shit implemented (pretty sure the code is worse but it works) in disqus code base; i now wonder does it make sense to switch to open source libraries.
# [09:46] <antonkovalyov> i made some useful changes to easyXDM after we started using it instead of intramuros library
# [09:46] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: =range is a slider right?
# [09:47] <thatryan> if a script is being called in from another site, like google analytics, or fonts etc, can you not add expires headers to them?
# [09:47] <paul_irish> yup
# [09:47] <NiftyLettuce> wow we are all such g33ks lol
# [09:47] <paul_irish> you cannot add expires rules to any file that you do not own the webserver for
# [09:47] <paul_irish> , lol.
# [09:47] <NiftyLettuce> dude, there are seniors in my college that have never even used command line b4
# [09:47] <NiftyLettuce> I walk into this intro to java class, I'm like WTF.
# [09:47] <thatryan> paul_irish: thanks that makes more sense now :)
# [09:47] <NiftyLettuce> prof like "cd to your ~/ directory"....
# [09:48] <antonkovalyov> what is command line? is it some unix shit?
# [09:48] <NiftyLettuce> aghhh i wish I was in palo alto already
# [09:48] <thatryan> then I will be happy with a grade B on Yslow :D
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# [09:52] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, nice site
# [09:52] <antonkovalyov> although tumblr is down again
# [09:52] <antonkovalyov> tumblr has the worst reliability ever
# [09:52] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: thank you
# [09:53] <thatryan> lol yeah tumblr does, thats why im not using it as my "main" site
# [09:53] <thatryan> just ancillary
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# [10:44] <mikew3c> paul_irish: you round?
# [10:46] <paul_irish> mikew3c: yo
# [10:46] <mikew3c> http://sideshowbarker.net/outgoing/javascript-wisdom.m4v
# [10:48] <antonkovalyov> haha
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# [10:59] <cgcardona> there we go - thats much better ;)
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# [11:03] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we have positive feedback so far
# [11:03] <antonkovalyov> http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/html5/111944/
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# [11:04] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: applied
# [11:04] <nimbupani> paul_irish: there is a typo fix for .ru
# [11:04] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, ty
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# [11:06] <antonkovalyov> cgcardona, i opened a link from your tweet
# [11:06] <antonkovalyov> then switched to something else
# [11:06] <cgcardona> the recent one about paul?
# [11:06] <cgcardona> yeah - it's sweet sauce
# [11:06] <antonkovalyov> and then though: 'why the fuck do i have paul_irish dancing in my computer'
# [11:06] <cgcardona> haha
# [11:06] <antonkovalyov> thought*
# [11:07] <jo-erlend> w3fools.com complains that w3schools.com has positioned itself on top of the search results, but they also link to it. Doesn't that help them stay on top? :)
# [11:07] <nimbupani> nofollow jo-erlend
# [11:07] <cgcardona> burn
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# [11:16] <paul_irish> burn.
# [11:16] <jo-erlend> hmm?
# [11:17] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/pull/24
# [11:17] <paul_irish> yup
# [11:17] <antonkovalyov> there is more now there
# [11:18] <jo-erlend> I read that HTML5 allows certain end tags to be omitted. But is it always safe to close them?
# [11:19] <jo-erlend> or are there tags that doesn't have a close tag?
# [11:19] <cgcardona> <li> and <p> are implied
# [11:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we are on front page http://habrahabr.ru/
# [11:19] <paul_irish> WOOO
# [11:19] <paul_irish> pushing update nao
# [11:19] <antonkovalyov> shiit
# [11:20] <antonkovalyov> ie8 freezes on ru.
# [11:20] <antonkovalyov> but works on html5boilerplate
# [11:20] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
# [11:20] <jo-erlend> cgcardona, and br and possibly others? But would it be safe to assume that all tags can use an end tag?
# [11:20] <cgcardona> jo-erlend: http://code.google.com/speed/articles/optimizing-html.html
# [11:21] <jo-erlend> I think "<li>List item" looks horrible compared to "<li>List item</li>".
# [11:22] <cgcardona> it was awkward the first couple times I have done it but now it's grown on me
# [11:22] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: updated
# [11:22] <antonkovalyov> ty kind sir
# [11:22] <cgcardona> plus I ditched </p>, </head>, </body>, & </html>
# [11:23] <cgcardona> actually I think you can even ditch <head> & <body>
# [11:23] <cgcardona> and <html>
# [11:23] <antonkovalyov> you can even ditch html
# [11:23] <antonkovalyov> yep
# [11:24] <cgcardona> i have this as a super bare bones template http://pastebin.com/4rHtVNhA
# [11:24] <jo-erlend> yes, but what's the benefit of doing that?
# [11:24] <cgcardona> note - that scares the shit out of some people
# [11:24] <cgcardona> not for the faint of heart ^^
# [11:24] <antonkovalyov> hmmmm
# [11:25] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, it seems like ie8 freezes on both ru. and sr.
# [11:25] <antonkovalyov> gonna try deutsch
# [11:25] <cgcardona> jo-erlend: I like it cause it's less characters to type which is a super win - plus it's less bits going across the network which is double win
# [11:25] <paul_irish> ie8's a bitch.
# [11:25] <cgcardona> paul_irish: supabiatch
# [11:26] <jo-erlend> cgcardona, it's also less readable in most cases, no?
# [11:26] <antonkovalyov> de. okay, br. freezes
# [11:26] <antonkovalyov> it might be fonts issues
# [11:26] <cgcardona> jo-erlend: I guess i've just grown used to it so I don't notice anymore.
# [11:26] <paul_irish> very odd.
# [11:29] <cgcardona> I have a friend on island who is an OWASP guy. He turned me onto this XSS Prevention Cheat Sheet http://goo.gl/6PjE - It's baller
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# [11:30] <cgcardona> police can search cell phone without a warrant now
# [11:30] <cgcardona> shwag
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# [11:49] <pretopia> cgcardona: nice XSS cheat sheet, thanks for sharing
# [11:49] <cgcardona> pretopia: np
# [11:51] <cgcardona> pretopia: you're gonna luv this http://www.owasp.org/download/jmanico/owasp_podcast_67.mp3
# [11:52] <cgcardona> it's the podcast that my bro the OWASP guy hosts
# [11:52] <cgcardona> his name is jim manico - he's the host of that show
# [11:52] <pretopia> *checking out*
# [11:52] <cgcardona> that particular episode is an interview with the guy who put together the cheat sheet
# [11:52] <pretopia> interesting
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# [11:54] <pretopia> by the way, are you guys familiar with OpenAppMkt? (http://www.openappmkt.com)
# [11:54] <pretopia> It's an app store for mobile html5 web apps
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# [11:55] <pretopia> I've submitted a few apps earlier this week, it seems to be pretty slick
# [11:56] <cgcardona> wow that looks cool
# [11:56] <cgcardona> i wasn't aware of that
# [11:56] <pretopia> I found out about it this week as well. They made a nice interface for sharing your mobile apps
# [11:57] <pretopia> kind of like the Chrome Web Store, but generic, and focussed on mobile apps
# [11:57] <cgcardona> great idea
# [11:57] <cgcardona> i love the chrome app store
# [11:58] <pretopia> yeah me too
# [11:58] <cgcardona> i use it on my cr48 quite often
# [11:58] <pretopia> Oh nice, how is the cr48?
# [11:58] <cgcardona> i have two cr48s and it's really cool logging into either one and having it turn into your computer
# [11:58] <cgcardona> reeeaaalllyy cool
# [11:58] <pretopia> awesome
# [11:58] <cgcardona> plus I live in chrome on my mac so i got the same goodness everywhere
# [11:58] <cgcardona> sweetsauce
# [11:58] <cgcardona> Chrome <3
# [11:59] <pretopia> would you be able to test something for me on the cr48? I've got some 'panelled' apps in the Chrome Web Store, and I'm curious how that looks on the cr48
# [11:59] <cgcardona> url?
# [11:59] <pretopia> whether the panels are 'floating' or not
# [11:59] <cgcardona> sure
# [11:59] <pretopia> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ldfjpcbgeppejpppciacpgdjfnnknjpm
# [11:59] <pretopia> thanks!
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# [12:00] <cgcardona> so i just installed it on my mac while my cr48 is firing up
# [12:00] <cgcardona> and within about 120 seconds the app will sync with my cr48
# [12:01] <cgcardona> the sync is super quick
# [12:01] <cgcardona> usually under a minute for stuff to sync between chrome on all my machines
# [12:01] * cgcardona stops with the chrome fanboiism
# [12:01] <pretopia> yeah, I noticed that while syncing between my linux and mac workstations
# [12:01] <pretopia> very nice
# [12:01] <pretopia> haha
# [12:02] <cgcardona> already synced
# [12:02] <pretopia> so if you run it on your mac, you see that the panel where the app resides is freely movable
# [12:02] <pretopia> is this also the case on the cr48?
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# [12:02] <pretopia> or is it kind of fixed to the bottom of the screen
# [12:02] <cgcardona> fixed to the bottom
# [12:02] <cgcardona> only moves horizontally
# [12:02] <pretopia> hmm :(
# [12:02] <cgcardona> how did you know?
# [12:02] <cgcardona> its stuck to the bottom
# [12:03] <pretopia> I 'expected' (not hoped) that, having seen some Chrome OS screenshots
# [12:03] <cgcardona> dude this game is baller (o_0)
# [12:03] <pretopia> I'd like to have an option in the app manifest that the user can choose whether he wants a panel or a tab
# [12:03] <pretopia> hehe, thanks!
# [12:04] <cgcardona> tweeting to my cr48 peeps
# [12:04] <cgcardona> did you sign up for a cr48 pretopia ?
# [12:05] <pretopia> yes, I signed up, but I'm not living in the US :(
# [12:05] <pretopia> and they only shipped to the US
# [12:05] <pretopia> cool, what's your twitter?
# [12:05] <cgcardona> do you know anyone in the us who can ship it to you ?
# [12:05] <cgcardona> @cgcardona :)
# [12:06] <pretopia> yes, I even signed up with that address, but no luck :( Maybe because I signed up a couple of times ;)
# [12:06] <cgcardona> i don't think thats the reason
# [12:06] <cgcardona> did you fill out a form that asked why they should send it etc?
# [12:07] <cgcardona> or did you access the form through an easter egg?
# [12:07] <pretopia> I've filled out a couple of forms, some of them contained the 'why' questions. One that I got by email didn't
# [12:07] <cgcardona> hmmm - you got contacted by email?
# [12:07] <cgcardona> they sent me two
# [12:08] <cgcardona> i scanned a QR code during the live announcment
# [12:08] <pretopia> yeah, that I was eligible for a cr48, filled it out immediately
# [12:08] <cgcardona> and they sent me an email about 15 minutes after the live announcement
# [12:08] <pretopia> ah yeah, I was _just_ too late for that!
# [12:08] <pretopia> exactly, I got that email as well
# [12:08] <cgcardona> i put the same name and address on each form and they sent me two to the same address under my name :D
# [12:08] <pretopia> wow, that's great!
# [12:08] <cgcardona> GOOOOOOOGGGGGLLLLLEEEE <3!!!!
# [12:08] <pretopia> lucky dude ;)
# [12:09] <cgcardona> no doubt - my wife quickly absorbed the second one :-/
# [12:09] <pretopia> I bet ;)
# [12:10] <cgcardona> truthfully though I use my macbook still 80% of the time. But my wifes macbook was a piece of crap and I swear she has only opened it up a couple of times to get pictures from her camera - she is chrome OS hardcore 95% of the time now.
# [12:11] <pretopia> wow
# [12:11] <pretopia> that's interesting to hear
# [12:11] <pretopia> cool that people use it for 'real life' stuff
# [12:11] <cgcardona> i can honestly say that for people who only hit facebook and gmail what else do you need?
# [12:12] <cgcardona> if google hits the sub $100 price point this is a game changer
# [12:12] <cgcardona> bigger then android
# [12:12] <cgcardona> this is the one laptop per human
# [12:12] <cgcardona> bye bye windoze :p
# [12:13] <cgcardona> what is your twitter handle?
# [12:13] <jo-erlend> w3fools.com was one of the most useful websites I've visited this year.
# [12:14] <cgcardona> nm I got it
# [12:14] <pretopia> tvanas
# [12:14] <pretopia> yeah I agree about Chrome OS
# [12:14] <pretopia> I actually think that Android can be replaced by it in some time, not the other way around ;)
# [12:15] <pretopia> You can just run a local web server for a 'phone app'
# [12:15] <pretopia> :)
# [12:15] <pretopia> cgcardona: thanks for the tweet! :)
# [12:15] <cgcardona> np nice work on the game
# [12:17] <pretopia> do you have any apps up in the chrome web store?
# [12:20] <cgcardona> nope
# [12:20] <pretopia> podcast just finished, was nice
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# [14:15] <okaycool> I never knew W3Schools is wrong!
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# [14:43] <russinkungen> okaycool: http://www.founditemclothing.com/itgoesto11/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/knowing-is-half-the-battle-the-other-half-is-violence-gi-joe-shirt.gif
# [14:43] <okaycool> :)
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# [14:58] <Isowerk> Hello, would this be a good place to ask about the Canvas element?
# [14:59] <Ms2ger> Certainly
# [14:59] <Isowerk> I have a test page here that uses no drawImage() operation: http://www.isowerk.com/dev/v1/src/examples/test1.html - I am thinking of using bitmaps insteaed of plotting everything myself.
# [14:59] <Isowerk> 1) Do you think it will improve performance 2) How can I draw the tiles using drawImage and an Alpha to not cover the tiles around it?
# [15:00] <Isowerk> I cannot find any information on loading a png with alpha and whether the canvas will honor the alpha channel on all browsers.
# [15:00] <Isowerk> Should I user per-pixel manipulation?
# [15:06] <Isowerk> Have I just stumped this channel into silence with my stupid question?
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# [18:37] <denysonique> Hi
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# [18:39] <denysonique> Hi
# [18:39] <denysonique> When I use the offline cache and specify add some .html files under the CACHE: section they only get cached after I have visited the page
# [18:40] <denysonique> btw this IRC client seems to be buggy I need to re-joing brb
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# [18:41] <denysonique> ok
# [18:42] <denysonique> I am not sure if my question got throught so here I ask again: Does every resource specified under the CACHE: section need to be downloaded manually by the browser in order for it to be cached?
# [18:43] <denysonique> under the CACHE section I specified page1.html and page2.html -- but these files were cached for offline use only after I have visited them
# [18:44] <denysonique> etc
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# [18:51] <Pewpewarrows> denysonique: I'm assuming the reason you're asking is that you've visited page1.html and page2.html previously, and then after visiting you added them to the CACHE?
# [18:51] <Pewpewarrows> and you're wondering why it doesn't use the browser's existing cache?
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# [19:45] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: ♡
# [19:46] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: <3 right back atcha!
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# [19:47] <nimbupani> http://gyazo.com/46ce31b807f494ed559e2c7d8bbf63b3.png
# [19:47] <nimbupani> WAI
# [19:47] <nimbupani> HOW
# [19:47] <nimbupani> IGNORANCE OF pseudo selectors
# [19:47] <nimbupani> how
# [19:47] <paul_irish> hehehe
# [19:47] <paul_irish> yeah i'm a bit clueless on some of those
# [19:48] <Pewpewarrows> HN confuses the hell out of me
# [19:48] <Pewpewarrows> on some days the comments are spot-on, insightful, I spend a whole afternoon learning from them
# [19:48] <Pewpewarrows> othertimes they make no sense
# [19:49] <Pewpewarrows> LE SIGH
# [19:49] <Evet> is flashcanvas the best at what it does?"
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# [19:51] <paul_irish> i think so.
# [19:51] <paul_irish> having not used either excanvas or flashcanvas extensively, i can proclaim flashcanvas the victor.
# [19:51] <nimbupani> :D
# [19:52] <denysonique> Pewpewarrows: no, when I just add those pages to the CACHE: section, they do not get cached until I visit them; after I visit them they are available in offline mode, if I do not, prior to offline browsing these pages are not accessible
# [19:53] <Evet> what do you suggest for websockets?
# [19:54] <Pewpewarrows> denysonique: that's by design. the browser can't cache it until it visits it once.
# [19:54] <denysonique> Pewpewarrows: thanks
# [19:55] <denysonique> I thought so, but I haven't seen that anywhere stated etc
# [19:57] <paul_irish> Evet: socket.io
# [19:58] <Evet> paul_irish: thanks
# [19:58] <Pewpewarrows> ho shit, when did Chrome Dev Tools add websockets to the resources tab
# [19:58] <paul_irish> np
# [19:58] <paul_irish> a bit ago.
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# [19:59] <Pewpewarrows> I don't remember reading it on the release notes, hmmmm
# [20:03] <nimbupani> isofarro is not that wrong https://twitter.com/dotjay/status/26598591778783232
# [20:03] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/dIujrK @dotjay -- RT @isofarro: from the pseudo-outraged tone it reads like the w3fools.com content is a dump of some mailing list of snobs. pity.
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# [20:05] <paul_irish> instead of complaining about w3fools, they should go build a better w3fools than we could.
# [20:06] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA
# [20:06] <nimbupani> +100 paul_irish
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# [20:06] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: but how would that get them HN circle-jerk karma? You're not thinking about their big picture.
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# [20:07] <paul_irish> true.
# [20:09] <snover> paul_irish: it’s so weird that having a bunch of random dudes collaborating on the same document for funzies means that it might not be 100% consistent
# [20:09] <snover> (and dudettes, obvs.)
# [20:10] <nimbupani> ha ha ha
# [20:10] <nimbupani> thanks for including me snover
# [20:10] <nimbupani> (in brackets)
# [20:10] <snover> The brackets say “3/5ths”
# [20:11] * snover hides
# [20:11] * nimbupani looks under the bed
# [20:11] <paul_irish> GOT YA
# [20:11] <snover> damn your cunning :(
# [20:11] <snover> cunning is a great word because it’s both a noun and an adjective
# [20:12] <paul_irish> so you could go with either "your" or "you're"
# [20:12] <nimbupani> and still be right!
# [20:12] <paul_irish> i'll tell boaz.
# [20:12] <paul_irish> and jdalton.
# [20:12] <nimbupani> :D :D :D :D
# [20:13] <paul_irish> larger blog post on the topic http://aspektas.com/blog/w3fools-a-foolish-attack-on-w3schoolscom/
# [20:13] <nimbupani> FOOLISH
# [20:13] <Pewpewarrows> foolish
# [20:13] <Pewpewarrows> rofl
# [20:13] <Pewpewarrows> Disclosure: I am a moderator on the official W3Schools Forums. However, I have no vested interest or control over the content on the w3schools.com domain.
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# [20:23] <paul_irish> from what i hear the forum moderators are pissed at the site owners for their own reasons.
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# [20:25] <tw2113> zero invested time for maintaining accurate details with a rapidly evolving field of study?
# [20:25] <paul_irish> something along those lines.
# [20:26] <tw2113> cool
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# [20:29] <cgcardona> tw2113: about time you showed up - damn
# [20:29] <cgcardona> aren't you on east coast time?
# [20:29] <cgcardona> what time is it for you? like 5:30 pm or somethin?
# [20:30] <tw2113> 1:30pm
# [20:30] <cgcardona> and you're just showin your face around here?
# [20:30] <tw2113> central time
# [20:30] <tw2113> and i slept in till after noon
# [20:30] <cgcardona> nicely done
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# [20:35] <NiftyLettuce> \o/
# [20:36] <pluma> \o/
# [20:38] <cgcardona> \o\
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# [20:59] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: latest patch is in and live
# [20:59] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, i wish all projects were as fast :)
# [21:00] <nimbupani> :)
# [21:00] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: can you link to the habrhabr thread?
# [21:01] <antonkovalyov> russians only sorrrrry
# [21:01] <antonkovalyov> :)
# [21:01] <antonkovalyov> jk http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/html5/111944/
# [21:01] <nimbupani> :)
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# [21:06] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: you already have it in italian right?
# [21:06] <NiftyLettuce> oh nice
# [21:06] <paul_irish> http://it.html5boilerplate.com/
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# [21:26] <tw2113> another reddit submission for fools, http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/f3a9p/w3fools_a_w3schools_intervention/
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# [21:34] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2110136
# [21:35] <paul_irish> upvoat
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# [21:36] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: done, and well written SlexAxton
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# [21:40] <snover> upboat
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# [21:44] <Pewpewarrows> "Gecko (Firefox) theoretically supports infinite text-shadows (don't try it)."
# [21:44] <Pewpewarrows> /challengeaccepted
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# [21:47] <thatryan> paul_irish: are people complaining about w3fools or something?
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# [21:48] <tw2113> i've seen a lot of people say it's a really harsh attack with not enough backing
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# [21:50] <paul_irish> it happens.
# [21:50] <tw2113> pretty much, you are not going to get the support of everyone
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# [21:51] <thatryan> oh well of course not
# [21:52] <thatryan> just read that post though, sounded like people attacked it or something?
# [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> thatryan: it's gotten the internet all riled up
# [22:01] <antonkovalyov> i am just gonna say it
# [22:01] <antonkovalyov> w3schools itself is enough backing for any attack against them
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# [22:05] <tw2113> i like how everyone keeps saying the people involved should just create a better site with the "accurate info"
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# [22:09] <thatryan> ok got subway and cookies, ready to work :)
# [22:09] <thatryan> tw2113: where is that convo taking place?
# [22:09] <tw2113> mostly on the reddit threads i see about it
# [22:09] <paul_irish> reddit and HN mostly
# [22:09] <Pewpewarrows> thatryan: HN, reddit, twitter, various blog posts
# [22:09] <antonkovalyov> fuck hn
# [22:09] <antonkovalyov> with all due respect to paul graham :)
# [22:09] <thatryan> ah i dont read reddit, what the hell is HN?
# [22:10] <paul_irish> some bullshit.
# [22:10] <antonkovalyov> Hacker News, news.ycombinator.com
# [22:10] <thatryan> ah lame sauce
# [22:10] <antonkovalyov> it used to be really good
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# [22:10] <antonkovalyov> but now it is one big circlejerk
# [22:10] <Pewpewarrows> there's still the uncommon gem posted there
# [22:11] <Pewpewarrows> but yeah, it was much better a year or so ago
# [22:11] <tw2113> i agree more with the idea of "fix the deflating tire instead of buying a new one"
# [22:11] <thatryan> i like new stuff
# [22:11] <thatryan> its shiny :)
# [22:11] <Pewpewarrows> in this case it's more like, fix the deflating tire vs making a new tier yourself from scratch
# [22:12] <tw2113> and getting w3schools uptodate would not be the hardest thing ever, and there is some good accurate info there
# [22:12] <Pewpewarrows> s/tier/tire
# [22:12] <antonkovalyov> w3schools is a for-profit organization
# [22:12] <antonkovalyov> i am ok with translating html5boilerplate and contributing to open source
# [22:12] <antonkovalyov> i am not ok in helping some org to make money for free
# [22:13] <tw2113> thus why it'd benefit being a wiki
# [22:13] <Pewpewarrows> but we already have wikis
# [22:13] <tw2113> although that doesn't relate to anton's arguement
# [22:14] * jeffszusz isn't quite clear on the discussion - could someone quickly summarize?
# [22:15] <tw2113> school vs fool
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# [22:16] <tw2113> schools is for fools?
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# [22:17] <Pewpewarrows> jeffszusz: the #1 google search result for a lot of html, css, js info is W3Schools, their information has a tenancy to be inaccurate or out-of-date, lots of people put together W3Fools to point this out
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# [22:20] <jeffszusz> hm I wasn't aware that htmldog and sitepoint were that much more accurate than w3
# [22:21] <paul_irish> w3schools you mean?
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# [22:21] <paul_irish> you *cannot* abbreviate w3schools as "w3"
# [22:21] <JKarsrud> woah
# [22:22] <thatryan> ha
# [22:22] * tw2113 notes to be accurate with what you reference or paul will rip your head off and embed it in jquery
# [22:22] <jeffszusz> ah right, not affiliated
# [22:23] <tw2113> set up some dummy function that retrieves the head of those who besmirch and concatenate it to a variable that never gets used
# [22:23] <Pewpewarrows> hmm, embedding my head in jquery might not be that bad
# [22:23] <JKarsrud> These guys are so not the w3: http://www.xdayx.com/about/about_refsnes.asp.htm
# [22:23] <tw2113> and add in a counter each time it gets run so you know how many are in there
# [22:24] <tw2113> ha! they call themselves webmasters
# [22:24] <tw2113> i thought that term went away with the .com burst
# [22:25] <JKarsrud> guess not
# [22:26] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/t1lyb6mrs8rp.png :'-(
# [22:26] <thatryan> ha
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# [22:26] <antonkovalyov> it's like saying
# [22:26] <Pewpewarrows> any recommendations for how many ms is acceptable in terms of page load and flash of unfinished content styling?
# [22:27] <antonkovalyov> i started my career with visual basic 6.0 about a decade ago and i still find myself writing in it occasionally
# [22:27] <Pewpewarrows> DHTML
# [22:27] <Pewpewarrows> ^ best term
# [22:27] <thatryan> im going to write a post on why w3fools is awesome! :)
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# [22:29] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: why is there any fouc flash
# [22:29] <paul_irish> i dont know of a reason there needs to be.
# [22:29] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: unstyled is perhaps a bad word
# [22:30] <paul_irish> you mean initialization of shit
# [22:30] <Pewpewarrows> it's literally just the css loading and rendering
# [22:30] <paul_irish> hmm
# [22:30] <Pewpewarrows> and it's not much, like 300ms I think right now, but I was wondering if there's been any studies or recommendations on it
# [22:31] <Pewpewarrows> like I know Google put out UI latency ms guidelines
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# [22:32] <Pewpewarrows> wow webkit, this is like the best css news in years
# [22:32] <Pewpewarrows> variables, mixins and shit native?
# [22:33] <paul_irish> boom boom
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# [22:35] <paul_irish> bets on if someone will not figure out the arrow keys on that slide deck?
# [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> oh good, they're spec'ing it out first
# [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> bad news: that means IE9 won't get it
# [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> well, it might, what's IE9's release date look like
# [22:38] <paul_irish> i heard a rumor about an RC at the end of this month
# [22:39] <paul_irish> they better put in transitions.
# [22:39] <paul_irish> OR ILL BE ANGRY
# [22:39] <thatryan> how angry
# [22:39] <paul_irish> SHIFT KEY ANGRY
# [22:39] <thatryan> OH NOE
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# [22:44] <snover> six years of experience?
# [22:45] <alcuadrado> wow, the slides of paul_irish's last tweets are great! a little bit difficult to discover how they work, but really nice effect
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# [22:49] <JKarsrud> that tweet is so retweeted
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# [22:52] <alcuadrado> pipe for module access operator is a little weird, but modules would be great
# [22:54] <paul_irish> yeah agreed.. borrowed from XML namespaces
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# [22:54] <paul_irish> woot
# [22:54] <chriseppstein> ^_^
# [22:55] <paul_irish> ★ everyone meet chriseppstein, the creator of Compass. the SASS swiss-army knife
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# [22:55] <alcuadrado> . or :: would be much better
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# [22:56] <chriseppstein> link if you don't know what paul_irish is talking about: http://beta.compass-style.org/
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# [22:56] <paul_irish> chris, alcuadrado just said "pipe for module access operator is a little weird, but modules would be great"
# [22:56] <paul_irish> but yah. agreed.
# [22:56] <chriseppstein> paul_irish, alcuadrado I agree. I think it's strange unless we actually use namespaces for modules
# [22:56] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: you gotta launch that site naooo
# [22:57] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: can't sass 3.1 has to ship first
# [22:57] <chriseppstein> a couple weeks.
# [22:57] <paul_irish> o. aiight
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# [22:58] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: also i was thinking.. you know <img lowsrc
# [22:58] <NiftyLettuce> chriseppstein: loving the power/on/off button
# [22:58] <JKarsrud> yeah, what's up with the pipe?
# [22:58] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: yes
# [22:58] <paul_irish> imagine if the <link tag had something like that but.. it was media-query qualified
# [22:59] <alcuadrado> pipe just sounds like redirecting streams, like cat file | wc -l
# [22:59] <chriseppstein> ex?
# [22:59] <paul_irish> instead of your replace="#oldlinktag" thing
# [22:59] <paul_irish> like um
# [22:59] <chriseppstein> alcuadrado: I think they're using the pipe because it's a css namespace qualifier in selectors
# [23:00] <paul_irish> <link rel=stylesheet href=oldass.css hawthref=sassy.css hawtmedia="(-webkit-sassy)">
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# [23:00] <chriseppstein> i see. yes. that is much nicer. those attrs would be ignored
# [23:00] <chriseppstein> by old browsers
# [23:01] <paul_irish> but yeah this needs to come in at the html level.
# [23:01] <paul_irish> i'll talk to tab about it if you dont first
# [23:01] <antonkovalyov> are there developer advocates for ie at all?
# [23:01] <chriseppstein> we're meeting on tuesday
# [23:02] <alcuadrado> I have to admit that I've never heard about css namespaces before :$
# [23:02] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: no just program managers.
# [23:02] <antonkovalyov> THANK YOU PEOPLE FOR CSS MIXINS
# [23:02] <chriseppstein> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#univnmsp
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# [23:03] <antonkovalyov> http://dagobah.net/flash/thank_you.swf
# [23:03] <chriseppstein> antonkovalyov: I didn't invent mixins, but I did invent arguments to them ;)
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# [23:03] <antonkovalyov> chriseppstein, http://dagobah.net/flash/thank_you.swf
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# [23:04] <antonkovalyov> and to whoever implements them in browsers
# [23:04] <paul_irish> hahaahhahah
# [23:04] <chriseppstein> lol
# [23:04] <paul_irish> omg this is fannnnntastic
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# [23:05] <JKarsrud> hahaha
# [23:05] <JKarsrud> That. Was. Awesome!
# [23:05] <paul_irish> im up to 1300
# [23:06] <chriseppstein> I had to stop.
# [23:06] <chriseppstein> I got shy
# [23:06] <NiftyLettuce> do they blow up once you get to 1 million?
# [23:06] <antonkovalyov> 2000
# [23:06] <paul_irish> HAHAHA
# [23:06] <JKarsrud> I'm so not stopping this one
# [23:06] <Pewpewarrows> definitely leaving this on overnight
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# [23:07] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
# [23:07] <antonkovalyov> is this https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_typed_arrays Gecko only?
# [23:07] <Pewpewarrows> 27.7777... hours to get to 1 million thank yous
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# [23:08] <nimbupani> WOOOT hai chriseppstein :)
# [23:08] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: I thought that was just introduced in the latest FF4 beta
# [23:08] <antonkovalyov> Pewpewarrows, ya but I wonder if it is a part of some spec/agreement or just Fx-specific feature
# [23:08] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: they're in webkit
# [23:08] <chriseppstein> hey, paul_irish, what does FF think of these ideas for mixins, vars, etc
# [23:08] <antonkovalyov> sweeeeeeet
# [23:08] <paul_irish> lots landed with webgl
# [23:09] <Pewpewarrows> oh nice, typed array funzies for all!
# [23:09] * jeffsz_laptop is impressed with the w3fools site
# [23:09] <nimbupani> thanks jeffsz_laptop
# [23:09] <jeffsz_laptop> you guys always make such nice looking stuff
# [23:10] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: http://bit.ly/chromestatus indicates they are in chrome 7
# [23:11] <antonkovalyov> that's a neat web page
# [23:12] <nimbupani> awwwws thanks jeffsz_laptop
# [23:14] <paul_irish> thanks! i made it
# [23:14] <antonkovalyov> no surprise here
# [23:14] <paul_irish> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_typed_arrays now has compat information for webkit
# [23:14] <paul_irish> YOUR MOVE, W3SCHOOLS
# [23:14] <antonkovalyov> who is coming to the performance of the new twitter talk?
# [23:15] <paul_irish> oh chris is local too! yay
# [23:15] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: link plz
# [23:15] <antonkovalyov> http://www.meetup.com/SF-Web-Performance-Group/calendar/15804672/?a=cr1p_grp&rv=cr1p
# [23:15] <antonkovalyov> if you did not know about that
# [23:15] <antonkovalyov> you're fucked
# [23:15] <antonkovalyov> it's full :)
# [23:17] <nimbupani> its ben cherry
# [23:17] <nimbupani> i bet there will be room for paul_irish
# [23:17] <nimbupani> ARE U KIDDIN
# [23:18] <jeffsz_laptop> i love the # link to the current spot on the page beside each of the linkable headings....
# [23:18] <jeffsz_laptop> (w3fools.com)
# [23:18] <antonkovalyov> who is ben cherry
# [23:18] <nimbupani> wat antonkovalyov
# [23:18] <nimbupani> u are going to the talk!
# [23:18] <antonkovalyov> i know that he is a front-end engineer at twitter
# [23:18] <paul_irish> he's dope. he introduced a lot of people to hoisting in javascript
# [23:19] <paul_irish> ?g adaquately good hoisting
# [23:19] <bot-t> paul_irish, Adequately Good - JavaScript Scoping and Hoisting - by Ben Cherry - http://www.adequatelygood.com/2010/2/JavaScript-Scoping-and-Hoisting
# [23:20] <snover> paul_irish: I think I am going to cry at how wonderful it is to have some low-level data functions being exposed finally
# [23:20] <antonkovalyov> kk he uses disqus
# [23:20] <antonkovalyov> respect level up
# [23:20] <paul_irish> haha
# [23:21] <antonkovalyov> cbs is just next door from our office
# [23:21] <antonkovalyov> i love when meetups are there :)
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# [23:23] <paul_irish> snover: i'm hearing mixed things about them so far.. perf wise and such
# [23:23] <paul_irish> but.. i'm sure they'll get better
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# [23:26] <Pewpewarrows> does disqus allow you to customize max depth of a comment reply thread? that's the only thing holding me back from using it right now (I think more than a single reply-depth is ugly and unwieldy)
# [23:27] <snover> Pewpewarrows: pretty sure I remember an option like that, yes
# [23:27] <Pewpewarrows> snover: thx, I'll check it out some more then
# [23:28] <Pewpewarrows> oh, they've had it since 2008
# [23:28] <Pewpewarrows> derp
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# [23:36] <antonkovalyov> Pewpewarrows, it doe
# [23:36] <antonkovalyov> does*
# [23:36] <antonkovalyov> oh you've already figured it out :)
# [23:36] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: yeah, but thanks anyway :)
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# [23:36] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/8da0.png
# [23:37] <paul_irish> MORE confirmation of facts that are true.
# [23:37] <paul_irish> pew pew
# [23:37] <Pewpewarrows> I'm still not convinced, I'm going to need a Disqus dev to get in here and confirm
# [23:38] <antonkovalyov> i just diud
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# [23:38] <antonkovalyov> did*
# [23:38] <paul_irish> ^
# [23:38] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: is a disqus dev
# [23:38] <nimbupani> :)
# [23:38] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/_9oictwzg8dc.png
# [23:38] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [23:38] <thatryan> what the hell is a disqus
# [23:38] <thatryan> lol
# [23:38] <paul_irish> /kickban thatryan
# [23:38] <thatryan> :(
# [23:38] <Pewpewarrows> well now I feel like an idiot
# [23:38] <antonkovalyov> thatryan level down
# [23:39] <antonkovalyov> respect level down*
# [23:39] <antonkovalyov> :D
# [23:39] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: awesome product btw, huge django fan
# [23:39] <antonkovalyov> ty, i don't do much django though, i am front-end guy
# [23:39] <thatryan> ah come on antonkovalyov be cool yo! ;)
# [23:39] <thatryan> i totally use your shiz :D
# [23:39] <antonkovalyov> i was just kidding :)
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# [23:59] <NiftyLettuce> can anyone tell me whats wrong with this sass syntax? http://pastebin.com/HYyzQV18
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