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1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 20 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
3. # [00:00] <BrianBlakely> Oops
4. # [00:00] <dgathright> Chrome's version could be 0.0.1 and it would still be better than IE9
5. # [00:00] <Jayflux> its 2011, why are people still using IE
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7. # [00:00] * grantg saw a kiosk comp with IE 5.01 on it running windows 98 SE
8. # [00:00] <BrianBlakely> Jayflux: For the same reason we're still talking about it
9. # [00:00] <snover> dgathright: that’s simply not true.
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11. # [00:01] <snover> unless your only criteria for “better” is “not closed source”
12. # [00:01] <dgathright> snover: When reading my comments, always ensure your sarcasm meters are turned on high. :)
13. # [00:01] <snover> SARCASM CAPS
14. # [00:01] <snover> LEARN TO LOVE EM
15. # [00:02] <grantg> UBER SARCASM
16. # [00:02] <Jayflux> whats this canvas element all about
17. # [00:03] <dgathright> CAPS MEANS SHOUTING
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20. # [00:04] <snover> NO U
21. # [00:04] <BrianBlakely> Even Chrome 12 couldn't render more elves than IE9
22. # [00:04] <BrianBlakely> I'm selling my MacBook for a Lenovo
23. # [00:04] <Jayflux> chrome could be on version 35 we would still all be catering for IE6
24. # [00:04] <dgathright> There's no syntax hints for sarcasm on the web, which leads to approximately 72% of all online arguments.
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26. # [00:05] <snover> BrianBlakely: I’d miss my magsafe too much
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29. # [00:06] <digitalfiz> dgathright, 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot :D
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31. # [00:07] <paul_irish> guys what's this canvas element all about
32. # [00:07] <Jayflux> ^^^ im asking the same thing
33. # [00:07] <paul_irish> inorite!
34. # [00:07] <snover> paul_irish: I think it’s a flash plugin
35. # [00:07] <paul_irish> Jayflux: you draw shit onto it.
36. # [00:07] <Jayflux> so its nothing mandatory then
37. # [00:08] <paul_irish> nope
38. # [00:08] <Jayflux> any live examples
39. # [00:08] <paul_irish> ?g js1k
40. # [00:08] <bot-t> paul_irish, JS1k, home of the 1k Javascript demo contest - http://js1k.com/
41. # [00:08] <paul_irish> like 85% of those are canvas
42. # [00:08] <dgathright> digitalfiz: Only 80% of the time. Pareto Principle. Duh.
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44. # [00:09] <Jayflux> wow
45. # [00:09] <Jayflux> how did people make these?
46. # [00:09] * grantg flings literal shit onto the screen.
47. # [00:09] <grantg> ^_^
48. # [00:09] <dgathright> by sacrificing unicorns
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50. # [00:09] <Jayflux> serious answer please
51. # [00:10] <grantg> :|
52. # [00:10] <digitalfiz> make what?
53. # [00:11] <grantg> you make pretty pictures in your web browser. :P
54. # [00:11] <dgathright> sorry, I guess we're being dickbags. Umm.. <canvas> is a Javascript API that allows you to draw anything on a webpage.
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56. # [00:11] <digitalfiz> dickbag thats a new one for me
57. # [00:11] <digitalfiz> may i use it?
58. # [00:11] <dgathright> check out https://developer.mozilla.org/en/canvas_tutorial
59. # [00:11] <grantg> heh
60. # [00:11] <Jayflux> ta
61. # [00:11] <dgathright> as long as you give me royalties
62. # [00:11] <Jayflux> im seeing videos and stuff though
63. # [00:11] <digitalfiz> deal
64. # [00:12] <Jayflux> were these made elsewhere then uploaded?
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66. # [00:12] <dgathright> got a link for what you are talking about Jay?
67. # [00:12] <Jayflux> sure
68. # [00:12] <Jayflux> http://js1k.com/2010-first/demo/643
69. # [00:13] <dgathright> that's not a video
70. # [00:13] <Jayflux> http://js1k.com/2010-first/demo/643 this was another one i was refering to
71. # [00:13] <Jayflux> how are they made
72. # [00:13] <frenzz> http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leujsqUBpU1qdswit.jpg
73. # [00:15] <dgathright> jayflux: that was the same link
74. # [00:15] <Jayflux> http://js1k.com/2010-first/demo/643
75. # [00:15] <Jayflux> http://js1k.com/2010-first/demo/647
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77. # [00:15] <Jayflux> not copying and pasting for some reason
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80. # [00:21] <dgathright> Do you have any more specific questions other than "How are they made?" It's using JavaScript to animate elements on a page. #647 uses Canvas, #643 doesn't. You can view the source of each submission at the top of each page.
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83. # [00:22] <Jayflux> il just look at the source
84. # [00:24] <Jayflux> what about video and audio, is the video tag ready to use dgathright?
85. # [00:24] <dgathright> <video> is supported in FF4, Chrome, and Safari. Will be in IE9 when it is launched.
86. # [00:25] <dgathright> There's no 1 format that works across all browsers though, so you'll have to provide fallbacks to Flash after detecting support.
87. # [00:25] <paul_irish> ?g video for everybody
88. # [00:25] <bot-t> paul_irish, code � Video for Everybody! - http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody
89. # [00:26] <paul_irish> Jayflux: definitely start digging into... see ?g dive into html5
90. # [00:26] <bot-t> Jayflux, Dive Into HTML5 - http://diveintohtml5.org/
91. # [00:26] <Jayflux> thanks
92. # [00:26] <dgathright> <audio> support is similar, only the latest browsers, but you at least get MP3 support across all (right paul_irish?)
93. # [00:27] <paul_irish> nope
94. # [00:28] <paul_irish> afaik FF and Opera dont support mp3
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96. # [00:28] <dgathright> FF3 doesn't, but FF4?
97. # [00:28] <snover> mp3 is patented
98. # [00:28] <paul_irish> shruggg
99. # [00:28] <snover> so you know, god forbid they support it
100. # [00:30] <dgathright> paulrouget: ping
101. # [00:30] <paulrouget> dgathright: yo
102. # [00:30] <paulrouget> what?
103. # [00:30] <dgathright> Does FF4 support mp3 in <audio>?
104. # [00:30] <paulrouget> No.
105. # [00:30] <dgathright> Just ogg?
106. # [00:30] <paulrouget> vorbis
107. # [00:30] <dgathright> k
108. # [00:30] <paulrouget> yeap
109. # [00:30] <dgathright> thx
110. # [00:30] <Jayflux> ogg vorbis is open source
111. # [00:30] <paulrouget> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Media_formats_supported_by_the_audio_and_video_elements
112. # [00:31] <paulrouget> Jayflux: patent free at leat
113. # [00:31] <paulrouget> least
114. # [00:31] <Jayflux> and completely open :)
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116. # [00:32] <paulrouget> ogg is the container, vorbis a codec
117. # [00:32] <paulrouget> well, let's not go into the details
118. # [00:32] <paulrouget> use vorbis, vp8 & webm.
119. # [00:33] <dgathright> jayflux: So, yeah dude, if you want to use <audio> and <video> for anything with significant traffic and without Flash fallbacks, check back in 2013. :)
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122. # [00:33] <Jayflux> LOL
123. # [00:33] <Jayflux> well, it all works now right
124. # [00:33] <Jayflux> as long as you have some fallbacks
125. # [00:34] <dgathright> only for users with the latest versions of Chrome and Safari. FF4 is still in beta.
126. # [00:34] <dgathright> Well, maybe release candidate at this point. It's close at least.
127. # [00:35] <Jayflux> how come chrome dropped H.264 anyway
128. # [00:35] <paulrouget> dgathright: with ave a beta10 coming soon
129. # [00:36] <dgathright> jayflux: Da Google no like da patents & royalties.
130. # [00:36] <Jayflux> too true
131. # [00:36] <Jayflux> i didnt realise H.264 had royalties
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134. # [00:38] <dgathright> for some uses it does, for others it doesn't, and they were giving everyone a break until 2015. Just enough time to get everyone hooked, then they start to charge. Needless to say, everyone saw through that ploy.
135. # [00:38] <Jayflux> sorry but whos they?
136. # [00:39] <Jayflux> im guessing its the Video Coding Experts Group
137. # [00:39] <dgathright> MPEG-LA, the group that holds the patents, or at least has the license to collect royalties on the patents.
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139. # [00:40] <snover> dgathright: H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end-users is royalty free for life
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151. # [00:50] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i will mail your shirt tomorrow
152. # [00:50] <antonkovalyov> too lazy to go to fedex today :)
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158. # [00:53] <nimbupani> aww thanks antonkovalyov!
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199. # [01:44] <shepazu> paul_irish: I just found out about this channel... I don't like that it's friendly and helpful, I think people should suffer for their craft
200. # [01:46] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HAHA
201. # [01:47] <nimbupani> shepazu: html5 is no longer for the monks and people who undergo penance!
202. # [01:48] <andrewjbaker> LOL, you suffered before you found this channel... didn't you? Isn't that enough?^^
203. # [01:48] <shepazu> nimbupani: say that again when there is a logo for HTML5... otherwise it's just for geeks
204. # [01:48] <nimbupani> :D
205. # [01:49] <nimbupani> shepazu: i was of the view the logo makes html5 less hipster and more mainstream
206. # [01:49] <shepazu> btw, nimbupani, nice to finally meet you
207. # [01:49] <nimbupani> likewise shepazu :)
208. # [01:49] <shepazu> yeah, I was into HTML5 before it went commercial
209. # [01:49] <shepazu> you know how many hipsters it takes to screw in a lightbulb?
210. # [01:50] <nimbupani> hipsters dont screw lightbulbs?
211. # [01:51] <shepazu> nah... it's a really obscure number, though... you probably haven't heard of it
212. # [01:51] <nimbupani> :D
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215. # [01:56] <andrewjbaker> What's the best way to 'turn off' aliasing when using fillRect() and HTML5 canvas?
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217. # [01:59] <andrewjbaker> Just add 0.5?
218. # [01:59] <dgathright> shepazu: Psshh... Your joke is too mainstream. I was into hipster jokes before they were jokes, and were just facts.
219. # [01:59] <shepazu> :)
220. # [02:00] <shepazu> andrewjbaker: that often works in SVG, dunno about Canvas
221. # [02:01] * dgathright goes off to listen to a band you've never heard of. They don't use instruments, they just snap their fingers and sing... wait, nm, you wouldn't understand.
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223. # [02:02] <digitalfiz> ive not been graced by the presence of this so called hipsters everyone speaks of
224. # [02:02] <andrewjbaker> shepazu, I'll give it a go. Thx.
225. # [02:03] <digitalfiz> we dont really have them down here
226. # [02:03] <shepazu> andrewjbaker: I'm interested in hearing/seeing your results
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228. # [02:03] <digitalfiz> think maybe the alligators eat them when they show up could be why
229. # [02:03] <shepazu> hey, boaz
230. # [02:04] <boaz> hey shepazu !
231. # [02:04] <boaz> !!
232. # [02:04] <boaz> HTML5!
233. # [02:04] <boaz> OMGHTML5!
234. # [02:04] <andrewjbaker> shepazu, you and me both. ;-)
235. # [02:05] <shepazu> OMGIDL!!eleven!!1
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239. # [02:12] <paul_irish> OMG ITs shepazu!!!
240. # [02:12] <paul_irish> sup frienddd
241. # [02:13] <paul_irish> paulrouget: you around still?
242. # [02:14] <paulrouget> paul_irish: yes
243. # [02:14] <shepazu> I am not shepazu, I am SuperVectorGuy
244. # [02:15] <shepazu> I'm superHTML5rem's sidekick
245. # [02:15] <dgathright> An explanation to our earlier conversation of whether renaming "HTML5" to "HTML" was a jab at the W3C. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2121492 A: Not really. Just part of the plan. If they (W3C) are going to use it as an all encompassing term, WHATWG would rather differentiate and use something more specific.
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248. # [02:18] <dgathright> I did like the "We <i>try</i> not to snipe at the W3C" comment. Translation: It happens from time to time, but we make an effort not to.
249. # [02:18] <boaz> shepazu: are you going to get svg into html5?
250. # [02:18] <shepazu> while I'm not speaking on behalf of W3C, I haven't heard anyone within the W3C Team that is at all bothered by WHATWG naming its specs HTML, HTML5, Cunchberry11, or anything else... I'm not sure why it would be seen as as a snipe at W3C
251. # [02:18] <shepazu> boaz: depends on what you mean
252. # [02:19] <boaz> i mean, the brand
253. # [02:19] <boaz> holy shit, Apple bought http://html5.com
254. # [02:19] <shepazu> it's in there as much as I think it's necessary, but if someone comes up with a little subicon for SVG, I wouldn't complain
255. # [02:20] <dgathright> shepazu: That's the way it looks externally. You have one group that just announced a marketing push behind the term "HTML5" (which got some backlash). And you have another that is dropping the "5" all together.
256. # [02:20] <shepazu> boaz: do you think we should add SVG explicitly?
257. # [02:21] <boaz> um, if youre adding css3, i don't see why not
258. # [02:21] <boaz> if html5 stands all that is new and innovative in the web app paradigm, i would think svg would belong in there.
259. # [02:22] <boaz> I was kind of surprised it wasn't on the htmllogo site
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261. # [02:23] <shepazu> boaz: why doesn't bocoup submit a suggestion there? you have a design idea?
262. # [02:23] <boaz> uh
263. # [02:23] <boaz> idk how to design that as an icon
264. # [02:24] <boaz> although I guess css3 was hard, too
265. # [02:24] <shepazu> boaz: or, I can just bring it back to them from here
266. # [02:24] <shepazu> dgathright: well... okay... I'm not stressed about what WHATWG does in terms of its own marketing... we (W3C) are working with them on some spec development, that's all
267. # [02:24] <boaz> so we need another transformer autobot for svg
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269. # [02:25] <paul_irish> shepazu: i needed you earlier.
270. # [02:25] <paul_irish> and now i've remembered why
271. # [02:25] <paul_irish> i need that crazy tongue SVG demo!
272. # [02:25] <shepazu> boaz: I'll suggest that... SVG is more than meets the eye (it has a DOM)
273. # [02:25] <shepazu> oh, yeah
274. # [02:25] <paul_irish> need to blow some minds with it. :)
275. # [02:25] <boaz> shepazu: ahh, i see.
276. # [02:25] <boaz> i see why you drew the line there
277. # [02:26] <shepazu> paul_irish, here's an old version: http://svg-whiz.com/svg/linguistics/theCreepyMouth.svg
278. # [02:26] <boaz> shepazu: weird
279. # [02:26] <shepazu> boaz: actually, I was just making a transformers joke :)
280. # [02:27] <boaz> o
281. # [02:27] <boaz> L
282. # [02:27] <boaz> O
283. # [02:27] <boaz> L
284. # [02:27] <boaz> :D
285. # [02:27] <shepazu> though you can draw lines with SVG
286. # [02:27] <boaz> ha
287. # [02:27] <boaz> hahah
288. # [02:27] * shepazu tells "dad jokes"
289. # [02:27] <boaz> elephant jokes
290. # [02:27] * shepazu is not a dad, though... he's just old
291. # [02:27] <paul_irish> oh man this demo is so rad.. have you been updating it?
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293. # [02:28] <paul_irish> thus 'old'.. ?
294. # [02:28] <shepazu> paul_irish: yeah, in my copious spare time
295. # [02:28] <mikesusz> i remember i thought SVG was so cool
296. # [02:28] <mikesusz> in 1999
297. # [02:28] <paul_irish> i would hope so! :)
298. # [02:28] <shepazu> paul_irish: I made that like 8 or 10 years ago
299. # [02:28] <mikesusz> i'm glad that browsers/people are finally implementing it
300. # [02:28] <boaz> shepazu: tweet that so I ca RT you
301. # [02:28] <boaz> http://svg-whiz.com/svg/linguistics/theCreepyMouth.svg <--- so effing cool!
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303. # [02:30] <mikesusz> boaz - that is neat. :) and i wasn't being sarcastic
304. # [02:30] <boaz> it's from shepazu
305. # [02:30] <mikesusz> i've thought that using bitmap files for vector graphics was whack, since i knew how to make websites
306. # [02:32] <boaz> shepazu: who runs the html5logo site?
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309. # [02:33] <paul_irish> boaz, ive seen the highlighted sites rotate from day to day
310. # [02:33] <boaz> o
311. # [02:33] <shepazu> boaz: I think it's Ian Jacobs, with some help from our friends
312. # [02:33] <paul_irish> also... you know a screenshot of bocoup wouldnt really make a great picture there.
313. # [02:33] <paul_irish> since the logo is in the footer ... miles from the header
314. # [02:34] <shepazu> boaz, paul_irish, I tweeted the updated link
315. # [02:34] <paul_irish> BALLER
316. # [02:34] <boaz> Ba Ler
317. # [02:35] <shepazu> it's not done yet
318. # [02:35] <paul_irish> balveolar
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321. # [02:36] <shepazu> I also have a SMIL version, using declarative animation
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323. # [02:37] <shepazu> dinnertime!!!!
324. # [02:37] <paul_irish> later bro
325. # [02:37] <nimbupani> bai shepazu!!
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329. # [02:39] <andrewjbaker> HTML5 canvas 2.5D landscape engine updated. You can now use arrow keys to move (with assistance from Neiluj); just don't hold 'em down cos' the key events stack up, LOL. http://fleetingfantasy.com/
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331. # [02:39] <paul_irish> Nice! so happy to have keyboard support. :)
332. # [02:40] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, yeah, defo.
333. # [02:40] <paul_irish> lookin good
334. # [02:40] <ben_c> andrewjbaker: yays keyboard
335. # [02:40] <andrewjbaker> LOOOL.
336. # [02:41] <ben_c> I'd like spacebar jump please
337. # [02:41] <boaz> paul_irish: this seems crazy to me: http://boaz.se/nder/s.miscellaneous/img/bocoupHTML5.png
338. # [02:42] <andrewjbaker> ben_c, again, I'll add it to my TODO list. ;-)
339. # [02:42] <jeffszusz> interesting website, boaz; what seems crazy?
340. # [02:42] <jeffszusz> to me it just sounds overly wordy
341. # [02:43] <ben_c> andrewjbaker: I hope this is your site - http://www.andrewjbaker.co.uk/
342. # [02:43] <boaz> jeffszusz: I work there, and I think it would be crazy for us to put the html5 logo smack in the middle like that
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344. # [02:43] <jeffszusz> lol
345. # [02:43] <jeffszusz> agreed
346. # [02:43] <boaz> wait
347. # [02:43] <boaz> jeff
348. # [02:44] <boaz> what's your relaish to mike?
349. # [02:44] <paul_irish> boaz: me too.
350. # [02:44] <boaz> kgood
351. # [02:44] <andrewjbaker> ben_c, nooooooooo. Not guilty.
352. # [02:44] <jeffszusz> mike?
353. # [02:44] <paul_irish> but.. just sayin.. a screenshot is a screenshot
354. # [02:44] <boaz> mikesusz:
355. # [02:44] <paul_irish> ?g mike susz
356. # [02:44] <bot-t> paul_irish, mike susz (mikesusz) on Twitter - http://twitter.com/mikesusz
357. # [02:44] <boaz> oh, extra z, neverminf
358. # [02:44] <boaz> *d
359. # [02:45] <jeffszusz> haha
360. # [02:45] <paul_irish> also a javascript guy
361. # [02:45] <boaz> woah, bot-t hey!
362. # [02:45] <boaz> I keep forgetting your in here.
363. # [02:45] <boaz> mikesusz, jeffszusz, srsly, wtf
364. # [02:45] <boaz> that's hilarious
365. # [02:46] <paul_irish> oh they're both in here.
366. # [02:46] <paul_irish> that's why i was confused.
367. # [02:46] <jeffszusz> lol
368. # [02:46] <boaz> loling at this: http://html5.uncontrol.com/
369. # [02:46] <boaz> ^^^ done in flash
370. # [02:46] <boaz> ?irony
371. # [02:46] <bot-t> boaz, javascript - jQuery: How to capture the TAB keypress within a ... - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1314450/jquery-how-to-capture-the-tab-keypress-within-a-textbox
372. # [02:47] <boaz> ?irony is http://html5.uncontrol.com/
373. # [02:47] <bot-t> boaz, ruturaj's blog | ruturaj.net - http://www.ruturaj.net/blog/1?page=3
374. # [02:47] <boaz> bot-t: irony is http://html5.uncontrol.com/
375. # [02:47] <bot-t> boaz, Stored "irony".
376. # [02:47] <boaz> thx
377. # [02:47] <andrewjbaker> ben_c, I might drop the other Andrew J. Baker an e-mail, point him at some 21st century Web design stuff.^^
378. # [02:49] <ben_c> andrewjbaker: it looks like he still updates it -kudos to him for sticking with the intro page
379. # [02:50] <ben_c> andrewjbaker: although if you're going to contact him you'll need IE7 - http://home.btconnect.com/andrew_j_baker/contact_andy.html
380. # [02:50] <andrewjbaker> ben_c, on Debian. :-(
381. # [02:51] <ben_c> despite finding terrible sites like that amusing, I love how the web lets anyone have a play :)
382. # [02:53] <andrewjbaker> ben_c, I'll follow him on Twitter I think. It seems the 'right' thing to do.
383. # [02:54] <ben_c> little treat for him
384. # [02:54] <ben_c> anyway, sleeps for me
385. # [02:54] <andrewjbaker> Me too. Bye all...
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395. # [03:30] <boaz> shepazu: I don't have illustrator at home, so, I did this instead: http://boaz.se/nder/s.miscellaneous/html5logo/
396. # [03:30] <boaz> gtg
397. # [03:30] <boaz> brb
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416. # [04:26] <grantg> inglip commands me to come here. :P
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420. # [04:32] <Brodingo> sup grantg
421. # [04:32] <Brodingo> hows gba coming
422. # [04:32] <grantg> good?
423. # [04:32] <grantg> why do you ask?
424. # [04:32] <Brodingo> cause i want to use it
425. # [04:32] <grantg> heh
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427. # [04:33] <grantg> When it's ready, that's when
428. # [04:33] <grantg> I don't want to release a steaming pile of crap.
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430. # [04:34] <grantg> The GBA emulator though has been worked on almost as long as the GBC emulator.
431. # [04:34] <grantg> though ARM is a bitch
432. # [04:34] <grantg> especially since it's a three stage pipeline
433. # [04:35] <grantg> and I'm dealing with switches between instruction sets
434. # [04:35] <Brodingo> im simulating a motion of something going over my head
435. # [04:35] <grantg> thumb/arm
436. # [04:35] <grantg> Brodingo: Shit's *way* more complicated and heavy than with the GBC emulator.
437. # [04:36] <grantg> though the audio isn't surprisingly
438. # [04:36] <grantg> I did some copypasta with the audio system code
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441. # [04:36] <grantg> since the GBA uses the GBC sound channels + some GBA DMA sound
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443. # [04:47] * tw2113 plans to disect the boilerplate a bit tomorrow at work for some bits he can use
444. # [04:47] <grantg> Brodingo: I still have the urge to perfect the GBC emulator.
445. # [04:48] <grantg> As in to emulate all the hidden hardware quirks you normally wouldn't encounter.
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447. # [04:48] <grantg> Anyhow, what games do you have in mind?
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449. # [04:49] <grantg> brb
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451. # [04:51] <grantg> technically I can always do the DS after I finish the GBA emu, but I don't want to really piss of nintendo. :/
452. # [04:51] <grantg> *off
453. # [04:52] <Brodingo> ha
454. # [04:53] <grantg> Brodingo: Though I do have the SNES / Genesis / N64 emulators on a todo list
455. # [04:53] <grantg> I did dabble in n64 shit for a little
456. # [04:53] <grantg> webgl FTW
457. # [04:54] <Brodingo> majoras mask is my fave game on n64
458. # [04:54] <grantg> Mario Kart 64 FTW
459. # [04:54] <tw2113> http://twitter.com/#!/angrydeveloper
460. # [04:54] <grantg> I did have a mips core in js
461. # [04:54] <grantg> But it sucked
462. # [04:54] <grantg> It only threw random polys
463. # [04:55] <grantg> probably because the Reality Processor was badly emulated as well (ucode emulation sucked baaaaaadly)
464. # [04:56] <grantg> brb
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466. # [04:56] <Brodingo> too smart
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475. # [05:22] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: yt?
476. # [05:22] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: can you send me link to that HTML5 presentation?
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484. # [05:49] <cutepy> hi i would like to know how to convert pdf to html 5
485. # [05:49] <cutepy> i am working in a project to create a documnet sharing system and want to convert pdf uploaded by users to html 5
486. # [05:57] <daleharvey> scribd !
487. # [05:58] <jo-erlend> using the new doctype will make older browser render the page in quicks mode, yes?
488. # [06:00] <cutepy> ya i know scribd will do this. but i want to code such a system. does any one know any such library for php or pyhton
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516. # [07:30] <tw2113> paul_irish you're not going to care if I put my own custom base WordPress theme on github, with bits and pieces I've swiped from the boilerplate are you?
517. # [07:30] <paul_irish> idgara
518. # [07:30] <paul_irish> ♥
519. # [07:30] <tw2113> i figure it'll be a good place to store it instead of transferring back and forth through dropbox
520. # [07:30] <tw2113> between home and work use :D
521. # [07:30] <paul_irish> do it
522. # [07:30] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: pingg
523. # [07:31] <antonkovalyov> yo
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525. # [07:34] <tw2113> evening anton
526. # [07:34] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, evening
527. # [07:35] <tw2113> either of you know if media queries can be used to even declare stylesheets?
528. # [07:35] <tw2113> say if max-device-width is greater than 1000, link to this stylesheet, else link to that stylesheet
529. # [07:37] <paul_irish> yes.
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531. # [07:37] <paul_irish> they can.
532. # [07:37] <tw2113> sweet
533. # [07:37] <paul_irish> though IE6-8 basically has support for media types but not queries
534. # [07:38] <paul_irish> so you kinda gotta be gentle about it
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536. # [07:38] <tw2113> true
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538. # [07:38] <tw2113> i remember an article complaining about still having to load huge images on mobile, even though someone used media queries
539. # [07:39] <tw2113> but if i could serve css conditionally that holds image use, i could give even more reduced sizes to mobile users
540. # [07:39] <tw2113> :D
541. # [07:39] <paul_irish> yup. as long as all your images are background images
542. # [07:40] <paul_irish> it would be handy if you could change <img src's in media queries but no luck
543. # [07:40] <tw2113> *nods* do what ya have to
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548. # [07:54] <MeetJoeCss> does IE8 support type="email"?
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550. # [07:55] <tw2113> no
551. # [07:55] <tw2113> it'll fall back to input type="text"
552. # [07:56] <paul_irish> ^
553. # [07:57] <tw2113> which i find perfectly acceptable...at least IE does that much, instead of choking and breaking
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555. # [07:58] <MeetJoeCss> i hope IE9 supports html5
556. # [07:58] <MeetJoeCss> and i hope in 6 months html5 is fully supported
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559. # [07:58] <tw2113> we can all dream for full support so quickly
560. # [07:59] <tw2113> but things are changing, especially this week
561. # [07:59] <tw2113> and it's an exciting time to be a web creator
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563. # [07:59] <tw2113> ?g whatwg html5
564. # [07:59] <bot-t> tw2113, HTML5 (including next generation additions still in development) - http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
565. # [08:00] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, how was typekit meetup?
566. # [08:00] <tw2113> MeetJoeCss you may find this interesting :P http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5
567. # [08:00] <MeetJoeCss> when will HTML5 be ready for me?
568. # [08:00] <antonkovalyov> yesterday
569. # [08:01] <tw2113> whenever you choose you want to work with it, work around the differences that are present in the browsers
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571. # [08:02] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: fun. i like those guys
572. # [08:02] <tw2113> MeetJoeCss i have the markup tags going back to IE6
573. # [08:02] <tw2113> not so much canvas/video/audio though
574. # [08:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, anything exciting? what was it about?
575. # [08:04] <MeetJoeCss> i like the new form tags in html5, like required fields
576. # [08:04] <MeetJoeCss> validation etc
577. # [08:05] <paul_irish> fonts. webfonts.
578. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> oh
579. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> i went to the usv party today
580. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> it was okay
581. # [08:06] <MeetJoeCss> tw2113: read article. bit confused. is it saying html5=html=living document?
582. # [08:07] <thatryan> hi guys
583. # [08:07] <paul_irish> tw2113: dont go confusing people like that
584. # [08:08] <tw2113> sorry, my bad
585. # [08:08] <tw2113> in summary MeetJoeCss, they're not really going to do versions anymore
586. # [08:10] <tw2113> there won't be any "html6" there will just be html with evolving tags and meanings and uses to them
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588. # [08:11] <MeetJoeCss> tw2113: so basically html5=html=living document=evolving=no more versioning?
589. # [08:11] <MeetJoeCss> a "yes" will suffice.
590. # [08:12] <tw2113> *nods*
591. # [08:13] <MeetJoeCss> yes nod or no nod
592. # [08:13] <MeetJoeCss> lol
593. # [08:13] <tw2113> up and down
594. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> :'-(
595. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> i was waiting for html7
596. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> html x
597. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> i put html6 in my resume!
598. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> whole life kaput
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600. # [08:15] <MeetJoeCss> tw2133: your awesome.
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604. # [08:17] <tw2113> i will regret not getting the <!> doctype
605. # [08:18] <antonkovalyov> kk time to work on jshint
606. # [08:19] <antonkovalyov> cc paul_irish
607. # [08:19] <paul_irish> :D:D
608. # [08:20] <antonkovalyov> i kind of want to write tests
609. # [08:20] <antonkovalyov> code quality tool without tests seems wrong to me
610. # [08:20] <antonkovalyov> qunit?
611. # [08:20] <paul_irish> jasmine?
612. # [08:20] <antonkovalyov> no idea what is that
613. # [08:20] <paul_irish> you want something that can run sans-browser
614. # [08:20] <antonkovalyov> ? jasmine javascript
615. # [08:21] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, QUnit - QUnit is a powerful, easy-to-use, JavaScript test suite. It's used by the jQuery project to test its code and plugins but is capable of testing any generic JavaScript code (and even capable of test... http://docs.jquery.com/Qunit
616. # [08:21] <antonkovalyov> meh
617. # [08:21] <paul_irish> hahah
618. # [08:21] <paul_irish> ?g jasmine javascript
619. # [08:21] <bot-t> paul_irish, Jasmine: BDD for Javascript | Jasmine - http://pivotal.github.com/jasmine/
620. # [08:21] <antonkovalyov> damn
621. # [08:21] <paul_irish> without the g its like a jquery scoped search
622. # [08:21] <antonkovalyov> ah
623. # [08:22] <antonkovalyov> wait, is it in ruby?
624. # [08:22] <antonkovalyov> nvm
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627. # [08:23] <jo-erlend> <antonkovalyov> i put html6 in my resume! <-- hehe, that's nice.
628. # [08:25] <MeetJoeCss> tw2113: i put html5=html=living document=evolving=no more versioning in my resume
629. # [08:25] <tw2113> i haven't touched my resume since last summer
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631. # [08:26] <jo-erlend> I wish I could find a good CSS3 resource, like diveintohtml5.org was for html5.
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633. # [08:28] <tw2113> http://books.alistapart.com/products/css3-for-web-designers
634. # [08:29] <tw2113> http://fivesimplesteps.com/books/hardboiled-web-design
635. # [08:29] <tw2113> won't be full reference books
636. # [08:29] <tw2113> but will be a rather good primer
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638. # [08:31] <tw2113> night all
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640. # [08:32] <paul_irish> ^
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713. # [13:20] <daggberg> I'm starting to go crazy.. I use <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="sv" xml:lang="sv"> but my language won't get set to sv!!!
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720. # [13:34] <beevi7> what do you mean "my language won't get set to sv"?)
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723. # [13:45] <daggberg> beevi7: so I get the swedish to my site, so it can display "���"
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725. # [13:52] <bobslaede> Im kinda bad at math. If i rotate a rect in a canvas, how can i easily calculate how much space it takes up, width and height, with the new rotation?
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734. # [14:17] <jo-erlend> can the video-tag be used to provide live video streams?
735. # [14:18] <jo-erlend> let me rephrase that; is it possible to use the WebM container in the video-tag to provide live video?
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738. # [14:21] <paulrouget> jo-erlend: yes
739. # [14:21] <jo-erlend> nice.
740. # [14:21] <paulrouget> with flumotion
741. # [14:22] <jo-erlend> that's some proprietary stuff?
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743. # [14:25] <jo-erlend> they actually say it's free software. That's nice. I had to look real hard in order to find that fact though. :)
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745. # [14:27] <danielfilho> miss you all guys! but now I'm back :D
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748. # [14:29] <beevi7> daggberg that has nothing to do with the html lang attribute
749. # [14:29] <beevi7> use <meta charset="utf-8" />
750. # [14:30] <daggberg> I do..
751. # [14:33] <jo-erlend> uhm... Except that the header sais: "Open Source Multimedia Streaming" :>
752. # [14:34] <jo-erlend> paulrouget, that looks like something cool! Thanks for the tip. Do you also know if Flash supports streaming that?
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754. # [14:38] <beevi7> and dont forget to set your document's charset to utf8 as well
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759. # [14:47] <danielfilho> beevi7: in Brazil there's a lot of suffering 'cause of charset.
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761. # [14:48] <danielfilho> we always used iso-8859-1, now everyone is changing to utf-8, but in content portals, things goes nuts. lots and lots and lots of content for retro-compatibility
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769. # [15:03] <felcom> beep bop boop
770. # [15:03] <felcom> i'm a computa
771. # [15:09] <danielfilho> ouch
772. # [15:14] <felcom> there needs to be a wysiwyg text editor that uses the google font API
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778. # [15:15] <retro|cz> Any chance to set unordered list bullet color ?
779. # [15:15] <retro|cz> Another than text.
780. # [15:16] <retro|cz> Without any wrappers ?
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788. # [15:38] <btsector> Hi everyone! I've got a question about HTML5 video and Picture in Picture video...
789. # [15:39] <btsector> Anyone knows if it's possible change this demo in a way that the minimized video doesn't become a static screenshot but a running miniature video?
790. # [15:39] <btsector> http://studio.html5rocks.com/#PiP
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794. # [15:56] <ben_c> yeah you can change that easily
795. # [15:57] <ben_c> all that happens is the video is paused when the other one is clicked
796. # [15:57] <ben_c> you might want to mute the smaller one though
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799. # [16:01] <btsector> Thanks ben_c! Just downloaded the page + videos, and from a quick and dirty change (commenting out full.pause && full.pause(); line) it looks like it really works! :)
800. # [16:04] <ben_c> awesome, it's probably not the best idea to have two videos playing, so I'd test it on some slower machines as well
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802. # [16:06] <btsector> Agreed!
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808. # [16:20] <red> anyone noticed that if you float an <li> with <a> inside it to the left and give it a css3 gradient, the first item of the list will always be gray
809. # [16:20] <red> really odd bug =)
810. # [16:21] <red> (on webkit)
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818. # [16:33] <ben_c> you got a test case? Interested to see :)
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821. # [16:34] <red> ben_c: editing a site locally so it would be a bit of a hazzle
822. # [16:35] <red> (behind a company fwall)
823. # [16:35] <ben_c> No worries
824. # [16:35] <ben_c> There's always http://jsfiddle.net/
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826. # [16:35] <red> ill see if i can reproduce it there
827. # [16:36] <mikesusz> https://github.com/images/error/angry_unicorn.png
828. # [16:36] <mikesusz> excellent.
829. # [16:37] <red> meh, seems to work there
830. # [16:37] <red> must be something specific to the site then
831. # [16:37] <red> odd thing is, mouseovering it the :hover colour works
832. # [16:37] <red> or if I zoom in enough so it touches the side of my screen, also makes the color appear
833. # [16:38] <ben_c> always good to isolate issues like that
834. # [16:38] <ben_c> hmm ..odd
835. # [16:38] <red> its not full gray, but like 0.2opacity or so
836. # [16:38] <red> so i can see the reddish bg a bit
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838. # [16:38] <ben_c> have you looked in the web inspector to see if anythings overriding it?
839. # [16:39] <red> been trying aye
840. # [16:39] <red> http://jsfiddle.net/Quznk/
841. # [16:39] <red> heres the concept
842. # [16:39] <red> news tab being active atm
843. # [16:39] <ben_c> looking hawt!
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845. # [16:40] <red> hah, squashed it
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847. # [16:40] <red> gave margin-left: 1px to the wrapper element around the menu, so that the uls left side isnt touching it
848. # [16:40] <red> and magically the button became red again
849. # [16:40] <red> *boggled*
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851. # [16:41] <beevi7> why
852. # [16:41] <beevi7> did w3c actually release
853. # [16:41] <beevi7> a html5 logo with a huge "5" in it
854. # [16:42] <beevi7> and one day later, the same w3c says: "html5" is now "html"
855. # [16:42] <beevi7> ???
856. # [16:42] <ben_c> w3c and whatwg are different
857. # [16:42] <ben_c> whatwg are the guys who renamed it back to html, and w3c made the BIG 5
858. # [16:42] <beevi7> ah, it was the whatwg? ok ok, then i got it wrong, sorry :)
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860. # [16:43] <ben_c> if only they could just be friends!
861. # [16:43] <red> w3fools <3
862. # [16:43] <red> (referring to school, not w3)
863. # [16:44] <ben_c> the fact you have to clarify that proves w3schools are bad!
864. # [16:45] <red> :)
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881. # [17:25] <felcom> paul_irish: you mentioned rolling yepnope in to modernizr, have you decided on which version that will be in?
882. # [17:26] <paul_irish> 2.0beta2 i guess
883. # [17:26] <paul_irish> aka soon
884. # [17:26] <felcom> schweet
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890. # [17:36] <paul_irish> felcom: but in the meantime
891. # [17:36] <paul_irish> integration will basically be
892. # [17:36] <paul_irish> Modernizr.load = yepnope; delete window.yepnope;
893. # [17:39] <paul_irish> http://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=FAQ&action=historysubmit&diff=5962&oldid=5740
894. # [17:42] <ben_c> they should have just done a find and replace
895. # [17:43] <obert-> http://jessupcellars.com/media it isnt workin:P
896. # [17:43] <obert-> -it
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901. # [17:45] <obert-> funny:)
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921. # [18:25] <shichuan> Samsung Mobile Browser Site: http://browser.samsungmobile.com/web/MBMain.do
922. # [18:25] <nimbupani> hey shichuan!
923. # [18:26] <nimbupani> so what you are saying is android HTC does not default scale to 1.0 even if we set viewport to default scale of 1.0?
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925. # [18:27] <shichuan> yea.. but the problem is that not every android phone is the same...
926. # [18:27] <nimbupani> >_<
927. # [18:28] <nimbupani> but adding it would be harmless?
928. # [18:28] <nimbupani> in the sense, the worst it can do is set the default to 1.0?
929. # [18:28] <shichuan> it's harmless
930. # [18:28] <shichuan> yea, that's true
931. # [18:28] <shichuan> and users still can scale
932. # [18:28] <nimbupani> okay then perhaps its good to add
933. # [18:28] <nimbupani> yeah thats the important concern
934. # [18:28] <nimbupani> paul_irish: ^
935. # [18:29] <shichuan> yup, for certain models, it will help :)
936. # [18:29] <nimbupani> neet.
937. # [18:29] <shichuan> cant think of any side effect so far
938. # [18:29] <felcom> seem like nowadays ever dev team needs a mobile web guy
939. # [18:29] <felcom> every*
940. # [18:30] <shichuan> but you brought up a good point about max-scale
941. # [18:30] <shichuan> cos in the mobile boilerplate, i put a max-scale
942. # [18:30] <nimbupani> ah yeah
943. # [18:30] <shichuan> so i am thinking maybe that shld be removed
944. # [18:30] <nimbupani> i think its good for mobile boilerplate
945. # [18:30] <nimbupani> no no
946. # [18:31] <nimbupani> the main reason being you dont want an APP to scale.
947. # [18:31] <nimbupani> like no iphone app scales
948. # [18:31] <nimbupani> i am guessing android apps dont either
949. # [18:32] <shichuan> arh, yea. i mean either way, depends on the way of doing
950. # [18:32] <shichuan> android promises a lot features
951. # [18:32] <shichuan> but seldom deliver
952. # [18:32] <nimbupani> :D
953. # [18:32] <shichuan> :)
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955. # [18:33] <shichuan> i have been thinking what is the next step for mobile boilerplate?
956. # [18:34] <nimbupani> yes shichuan me too!
957. # [18:34] <nimbupani> we would have to release it :/
958. # [18:35] <nimbupani> but we also have this build generator
959. # [18:35] <nimbupani> have you seen it?
960. # [18:35] <shichuan> i tried a bit of the old build script
961. # [18:35] <nimbupani> https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site
962. # [18:35] <nimbupani> this is like a builder online.
963. # [18:35] <nimbupani> so you pick and choose which you want
964. # [18:35] <nimbupani> and then download a zip
965. # [18:35] <shichuan> orh, yea
966. # [18:35] <shichuan> i found that
967. # [18:36] <nimbupani> yeah you are in the contribs list right?
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969. # [18:36] <shichuan> there is a problem with that, which is how to bundle generator with build script
970. # [18:36] <nimbupani> omg u are not :/ added
971. # [18:36] * paul_irish reading..
972. # [18:37] <nimbupani> oh it would not be something you bundle shichuan
973. # [18:37] <nimbupani> it is on the site
974. # [18:37] <nimbupani> https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site
975. # [18:37] <nimbupani> so you go to the site and go to a "build your own" section or smthing
976. # [18:37] <nimbupani> then choose what you need and then download a zip
977. # [18:37] <shichuan> i know, but will the one generated still work with the apache build tool?
978. # [18:37] <nimbupani> i dont think so :/
979. # [18:38] <nimbupani> this is for those who dont want to use the build tool
980. # [18:38] <shichuan> arh, i see
981. # [18:38] <nimbupani> coz its too cumbersome.
982. # [18:38] <nimbupani> i dont see why those who use the build tool would need this
983. # [18:38] <shichuan> and paul also mentioned the build tool will have a lot changes
984. # [18:38] <nimbupani> yeah he hasnt looked at it yet :(
985. # [18:38] <shichuan> like someone has been working on it
986. # [18:39] <shichuan> rewrite a lot in the buildfile
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988. # [18:39] <nimbupani> yeah
989. # [18:39] <nimbupani> its in a pull request
990. # [18:40] <shichuan> i need a closer look of that also
991. # [18:40] <shichuan> seems a lot has been changed
992. # [18:40] <nimbupani> yeah
993. # [18:40] <nimbupani> if you could that would be great!
994. # [18:41] <nimbupani> please look at the generator too
995. # [18:41] <nimbupani> and maybe add some issues
996. # [18:41] <shichuan> yup, will test it out :)
997. # [18:41] <nimbupani> so we can fix it and hve it ready for a release!
998. # [18:42] <shichuan> yup, we have to schedule a new target date right? :)
999. # [18:42] <paul_irish> shichuan: i guess next for mobile BP is to SHIP IT ! :)
1000. # [18:42] <shichuan> yea :)
1001. # [18:43] <paul_irish> shichuan: should we do like a ummm... mobile.html5boilerplate.com ... or.. hmmm i'm not sure how to present it externally
1002. # [18:43] <paul_irish> it is somewhat different from the parent, but not terribly.. i guess we need to decide how much info we need to provide in order to explain its goals, internals, and uses
1003. # [18:44] <nimbupani> yeah i think we should do a mobile.html5boilerplate.com
1004. # [18:44] <nimbupani> and put whats different below
1005. # [18:44] <nimbupani> and the download link
1006. # [18:44] <shichuan> ok, cool :)
1007. # [18:44] <paul_irish> and market the eff out of it from the main .com
1008. # [18:44] <nimbupani> and perhaps explain who needs to use that.
1009. # [18:44] <nimbupani> yeah
1010. # [18:44] <shichuan> yea, i think there has to be a link says most of the things are inherited from the main bp
1011. # [18:45] <shichuan> so we dont have to explain the same thing twice
1012. # [18:45] <nimbupani> yeah
1013. # [18:45] <Pewpewarrows> is there a reason you guys are separating out the mobile from the main BP?
1014. # [18:45] <shichuan> which is what i put on https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/wiki
1015. # [18:46] <Pewpewarrows> I guess for devs working on mobile-only web apps
1016. # [18:46] <nimbupani> yes
1017. # [18:46] <nimbupani> coz mobile dev is a pretty different beast
1018. # [18:46] <nimbupani> not very
1019. # [18:46] <shichuan> yea, good question
1020. # [18:47] <shichuan> different ppl may think in diff ways.
1021. # [18:47] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: basically.. main BP is mobile friendly.. but mobile BP is designed for making mobile webapps.
1022. # [18:47] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: gotcha
1023. # [18:48] <paul_irish> also it's really good to get out there and evangelize some mobile best practices.. it's a much younger scene
1024. # [18:49] <shichuan> and i think another reason is to raise the awareness
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1026. # [18:49] <nimbupani> yeah
1027. # [18:49] <nimbupani> and some of the mobile stuff is highly vendor specific
1028. # [18:49] <nimbupani> and you woudnt want so much in a standard web template.
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1030. # [18:49] <shichuan> web app can hardly be as cutting edge as native apps, but what it can do is cross-flatform
1031. # [18:50] <paul_irish> flatform! :D
1032. # [18:50] <paul_irish> ?g flatform
1033. # [18:50] <bot-t> paul_irish, FLATFORM - http://www.flatform.net/
1034. # [18:50] <shichuan> *platform :)
1035. # [18:50] <paul_irish> that is a great startup name.
1036. # [18:50] <paul_irish> oh wow worst flash navigation ever.
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1038. # [18:50] <shichuan> lol, sry, typo
1039. # [18:50] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
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1041. # [18:53] <paul_irish> anyway the build script rewrite is the biggest blocker for me on 1.0
1042. # [18:54] <paul_irish> followed by video and written documentation
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1044. # [18:54] <shichuan> actually i am not sure if i am the only one feels this way
1045. # [18:54] <paul_irish> the mobile BP site is also a medium sized effort
1046. # [18:55] <shichuan> i always perfer both written and video for any tuts i learn
1047. # [18:55] <shichuan> *prefer
1048. # [18:55] <shichuan> cos written tuts are more non-linear
1049. # [18:55] <paul_irish> yeah. i think its an effective combo
1050. # [18:55] <shichuan> :)
1051. # [18:56] <shichuan> some documentation for mobile bp can be found on the wiki page
1052. # [18:56] <shichuan> i documented along the way
1053. # [18:56] <paul_irish> yeah i've noticed. it's awesome
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1055. # [18:57] <shichuan> for build script, i have written something for the current version, can we like adapt for v1?
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1060. # [19:04] <paul_irish> shichuan: yeah. we should probably update it
1061. # [19:05] <shichuan> yea
1062. # [19:05] <paul_irish> because once we do the public releaes of the buildscript.. then it'll really matter and people will be all WTF
1063. # [19:05] <shichuan> once we sort out the changes
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1069. # [19:10] <jo-erlend> what are you building?
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1072. # [19:14] <shichuan> hi paul
1073. # [19:14] <shichuan> in this case, i shall ask the netuts guy to hold first?
1074. # [19:15] <shichuan> cos i told them last week there will be a major update
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1076. # [19:17] <cgcardona> spinning html5 logo http://925html.com/files/html5logo/
1077. # [19:18] <paul_irish> shichuan: yeah.. you talking to jeffrey?
1078. # [19:18] <paul_irish> and yeah i'd love your eyes on this build script update.. im really slow in getting to it.
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1080. # [19:18] <shichuan> i just forwarded you the email they sent today
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1082. # [19:20] <shichuan> or i ask them to re-schedule it or with a later update?
1083. # [19:20] <nimbupani> ouch harsh http://tantek.com/2011/020/b1/new-w3c-html5-logo
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1085. # [19:21] <cgcardona> nimbupani: ouch indeed
1086. # [19:21] <cgcardona> youch "Fire W3C Communications Person Who Led Messaging"
1087. # [19:21] <cgcardona> dang tantek
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1089. # [19:26] <paul_irish> says nothing new.
1090. # [19:26] <nimbupani> its not about new
1091. # [19:26] <nimbupani> its about how its said.
1092. # [19:26] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/html5istherightname.html
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1094. # [19:30] <cgcardona> the new logo kinda confusing considering the unversioned development model
1095. # [19:30] <cgcardona> *is kinda
1096. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> "HTML5" is a great sales term, particularly in selling to one's colleagues
1097. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> I just had a meeting this morning, where the marketing folk really really wanted to know all the cool things we could do with HTML5 banners over Flash
1098. # [19:31] <nimbupani> its pretty much only a sales term
1099. # [19:31] <nimbupani> nothing else
1100. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> I said "If you want to support IE and Android at the same time, you're better off with Flash and a fallback GIF"
1101. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> I mean, you could use SVG for a suitably x-browser banner
1102. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> But that would exclude Android
1103. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> Then you could use CSS3, but that would exclude IE
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1105. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> They were very disappointed -_-;;
1106. # [19:34] <shepazu> cgcardona: W3C HTML is versioned
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1108. # [19:35] <cgcardona> shepazu: for how long? http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-4-84-objection-poll/results#xkeepnew
1109. # [19:36] <shepazu> cgcardona: that's totally unrelated
1110. # [19:36] <cgcardona> "Not Put a Version Indicator in the DOCTYPE" that doesn't sound TOTALLY unrelated to me
1111. # [19:37] <shichuan> when you open up a dictionary, a lot of words have more than one meaning
1112. # [19:37] <cgcardona> it' not EXACTLY the same but it's in the same vien
1113. # [19:37] <cgcardona> *it's
1114. # [19:37] <nimbupani> shepazu: awesome pics
1115. # [19:37] <shepazu> versions are stable specifications as implementation targets... but for developers, you test for features, not versions
1116. # [19:38] <shepazu> version-testing is like browser-sniffing... leads to false positives and negatives
1117. # [19:38] <digitalfiz> so with more and more code being done client side do you guys know any real good way to protect the code? Like for php I use ioncube but what would be a good html/js encoder? dunno if this is the right place but you guys seem friendly enough not to flame me out for being off topic :P
1118. # [19:39] <paul_irish> google closure compiler
1119. # [19:39] <paul_irish> htmlcompressor
1120. # [19:39] <shepazu> thanks nimbupani
1121. # [19:40] <paul_irish> shepazu: these are soo good!
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1123. # [19:40] <nimbupani> i think a couple needs to go to html5homi.es
1124. # [19:40] <shepazu> paul_irish, you are now famous. gratz.
1125. # [19:40] <digitalfiz> ooooh google closure compiler looks nice
1126. # [19:40] <digitalfiz> paul_irish, i love you even more now :P your a wealth of knowledge
1127. # [19:41] <paul_irish> that'll be five dollars, please.
1128. # [19:41] <shepazu> paul_irish, I'm particularly fond of your lounge-singer/pimp posture by the HTML sign
1129. # [19:41] <nimbupani> me too
1130. # [19:41] <paul_irish> super hot. would hit.
1131. # [19:41] <digitalfiz> pics?
1132. # [19:41] <paul_irish> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8624599@N07/sets/72157625737102465/show/
1133. # [19:42] <nimbupani> i think mikew3c looks awesome too!
1134. # [19:42] <nimbupani> especially with his glasses
1135. # [19:42] <nimbupani> its so html
1136. # [19:42] <shepazu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8624599@N07/5370516315/in/set-72157625737102465/
1137. # [19:43] <shepazu> yes, MikeSmith(tm) is the standards pimp of all time (it's hard out there for a standards pimp)
1138. # [19:43] <shepazu> no, nimbupani, it's so cloud!
1139. # [19:43] <nimbupani> sorry i should have said html5
1140. # [19:43] <nimbupani> its so html5
1141. # [19:43] <nimbupani> html5 is the new could
1142. # [19:43] <nimbupani> cloud*
1143. # [19:43] <shepazu> cloud is so html5
1144. # [19:43] <digitalfiz> #html5 makes me feel like ive stepped into another culture its like a foreign country to me im in heaven
1145. # [19:44] <nimbupani> welcome to heaven digitalfiz
1146. # [19:44] <cgcardona> these pix rule
1147. # [19:44] <cgcardona> :)
1148. # [19:44] <cgcardona> digitalfiz: welcome home
1149. # [19:44] <digitalfiz> :D
1150. # [19:44] <shepazu> heaven is exactly like where you are *right now*, only much, much better
1151. # [19:45] <BrianBlakely> I tried ordering some HTML shirts, but it was like $80 shipping
1152. # [19:45] <BrianBlakely> I have HTML in my heart, it's cool
1153. # [19:45] <paul_irish> yeah. super pricey shirts. pricey shipping.
1154. # [19:45] <cgcardona> we should homegrow some of those badboyz BrianBlakely
1155. # [19:45] <cgcardona> ;)
1156. # [19:45] <BrianBlakely> cgcardona: Is cafepress still around?
1157. # [19:45] <shepazu> mikesmith could make a side business as an HTML-shirt exporter
1158. # [19:45] <digitalfiz> cafepress.com ftw
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1160. # [19:46] * shepazu wonders if the HTML store will pick up on the logo
1161. # [19:46] <nimbupani> totally.
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1163. # [19:47] <nimbupani> are you like showing the finger to html shepazu?!
1164. # [19:47] <nimbupani> SVG4LYFE?
1165. # [19:47] <paul_irish> hahhaha i love that one
1166. # [19:47] <shepazu> nimbupani: I wouldn't do that, I'm a respectable W3C employee
1167. # [19:48] <shepazu> I think I just had something in my eye
1168. # [19:48] <nimbupani> who knows what you do off work
1169. # [19:48] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA
1170. # [19:48] <nimbupani> nice excuse.
1171. # [19:48] <paul_irish> http://almaer.com/blog/htmlh5-what-it-means-to-developers-standardistas-and-browser-vendors
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1175. # [19:55] <Neiluj> found a bug with chrome (8&9) : <video> still plays after changing page which also contains a <video> ...
1176. # [19:56] <paul_irish> how about chromium nightly
1177. # [19:56] <Neiluj> I'll try
1178. # [19:57] <Neiluj> but visitors wont use it so I got to found a solution
1179. # [20:01] <Neiluj> also it seems like autoplay isn't considered
1180. # [20:02] <paul_irish> autoplay isn't.
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1182. # [20:02] <paul_irish> you can use like... onbuffered="this.play()" or some event like that
1183. # [20:02] <dmachi> Any of you browser guys familiar with this issue (old): http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2007/03/07/problems-with-safari-and-innerhtml/
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1185. # [20:02] <Neiluj> paul_irish: is there a reason other that not yet implemented ?
1186. # [20:03] <Neiluj> than*
1187. # [20:03] <paul_irish> i forget. autoplay doesnt have many fans.
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1189. # [20:03] <paul_irish> maybe i'm wrong
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1192. # [20:03] <paul_irish> dmachi: i know rebecca is. :)
1193. # [20:03] <Neiluj> mmh... ok, modernizr should told me about this ;)
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1196. # [20:04] <dmachi> paul_irish: yah, just curious if there is a reason it hasn't been fixed or whether it just fell off the radar
1197. # [20:04] <paul_irish> Neiluj: isAutoPlaySupported = 'autoplay' in document.createElement('video');
1198. # [20:04] <paul_irish> hypothetically shouldnt lie to you but probably does
1199. # [20:04] <dmachi> maybe there is a technical challenge in it making it hard..mostly curious have tracing with rebecca.
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1201. # [20:04] <paul_irish> dmachi: i have no idea
1202. # [20:04] <paul_irish> but it's a bigass bug.
1203. # [20:05] <dmachi> :)
1204. # [20:05] <dmachi> I need to check with her to day to see if it really is limited ot the cases where you modify window.location
1205. # [20:06] <dmachi> looking at the comments though, its clearly wormed its way into the iphone version and still happening (not to mention rebecca's exp)
1206. # [20:08] <Neiluj> paul_irish: there's no such isAutoPlaySupported and even when autoplay isn't supported, video.autoplay === true ...
1207. # [20:08] <Neiluj> so, is it one more undetectable ?
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1209. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> W3C should create and maintain a rendering engine that actually implements every spec
1210. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> It doesn't have to be a browser with, like, features. It should just be able to walk the walk
1211. # [20:10] <paul_irish> Neiluj: probly
1212. # [20:10] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: they had one.
1213. # [20:10] <paul_irish> ?g amaya browser
1214. # [20:10] <bot-t> paul_irish, Amaya Home Page - http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
1215. # [20:10] <Neiluj> Neiluj: sad for me, this site needs to work for tomorrow :) hehe
1216. # [20:11] <Neiluj> I think I'll use the "canplay" event
1217. # [20:11] * ericduran is now known as ericduran|afk
1218. # [20:11] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: but.. w3c is like. 12 dudes.. mostly corraling working groups into like.. making shit happen. :)
1219. # [20:12] <Neiluj> why am I speaking to myself...
1220. # [20:13] <digitalfiz> Amaya 11.3.1 is now released (9 December 2009). lolz
1221. # [20:13] <paul_irish> not bad.
1222. # [20:17] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: That's really nice, it looks like they couldn't build up enough traction for the project. It would be nice to have see an engine that moves nearly as quickly as the spec. Webkit is close!
1223. # [20:17] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/stshank/status/28167898547621889
1224. # [20:17] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/fMgGIN @stshank: Web devs: Got any examples of ActiveX still in use, for good or ill? I'd love to hear about it. e-mail stephen dot shankland @ cbs dot com
1225. # [20:18] <felcom> I wish St. Shank were a real saint
1226. # [20:18] <felcom> the only saint with prison tattoos and a crazy left eye
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1233. # [20:28] <Neiluj> paul_irish: for the video that stills play even if the page changed, I needed to use the window unload event, that's a bit crazy huh ?
1234. # [20:28] <paul_irish> sounds crazy
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1244. # [20:39] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5#comment-42301
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1253. # [20:48] <moo-_^> I like the name html5
1254. # [20:49] <moo-_^> because I can use it to justify my clients to discriminate against IE users
1255. # [20:49] <paul_irish> lol
1256. # [20:49] <tw2113> one way to stick it to microsoft
1257. # [20:50] <moo-_^> let's do this coooooOOOOll "html5" stuff
1258. # [20:50] <moo-_^> all hipsters love it
1259. # [20:50] <moo-_^> and it works on your iphone
1260. # [20:50] <moo-_^> then throw "get firefox" badge to all ie7 users
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1262. # [20:50] <moo-_^> and try to deal with ie8
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1265. # [20:53] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha ha ha paul_irish
1266. # [20:53] <nimbupani> and get new c&ds!
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1280. # [21:17] <Neiluj> https://img.skitch.com/20100729-ky9jubmx9q71pqkixw3d3n5ui2.png ahahah :D
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1282. # [21:22] <digitalfiz> http://goo.gl/fIdtj ftw
1283. # [21:22] <digitalfiz> thats great music for html5'n
1284. # [21:23] <digitalfiz> so i have a question about the name change is everyone going to be redirected to ##html? :P
1285. # [21:25] <paul_irish> no.
1286. # [21:25] <felcom> i say we drop all specs and name it all PROGRAMMIN'
1287. # [21:26] <masondesu> felcom, great idea
1288. # [21:28] <felcom> alternative - 'webby typin'
1289. # [21:28] <masondesu> digitalfiz, that leek spin business is unbelievable.
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1291. # [21:28] <digitalfiz> total awesomeness isnt it
1292. # [21:28] <felcom> i've had it running for 6 min now
1293. # [21:28] <felcom> not sick of it
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1295. # [21:30] <digitalfiz> i listen to it at least once a day i cant help it
1296. # [21:32] <felcom> my favorite part is the dippy-doppy
1297. # [21:33] <Thasmo> Hi guys! I'm just into this web performance things and we're a small web agency and we can't/don't want to use a real CDN network but I'm wondering if it makes sense to load resources from a webpage using different (sub)domains which point to the same IP/host?
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1299. # [21:33] <ben_c> nah - extra subdomains will cause extra dns lookups
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1301. # [21:34] <Thasmo> ben_c ye ofc, but imagine loading CSS/JS/fonts from e.g res.domain.com and the embedded images/flash etc. from www.domain.com - would it make sense? Only 1 additional DNS lookup.
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1303. # [21:35] <ben_c> but what's the benefits of that?
1304. # [21:35] <felcom> whats the benefit
1305. # [21:35] <Dorward> Thasmo: If you have lots of static files and want cookies for dynamic pages, then it can make a difference.
1306. # [21:35] <Michael> Thasmo, should speed up page load
1307. # [21:36] <Dorward> felcom: Parallel loading (browsers have a limit to the number of requests they'll have live at once, and a smaller per-domain limit). Avoiding cookies makes each indivdual request smaller too.
1308. # [21:36] <Michael> http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#cdn
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1310. # [21:36] <Thasmo> felcom, ben_c, I thought it' used for giving the browser a possibility to download more files in parallel per hostname
1311. # [21:36] <Thasmo> eh per like ... domain
1312. # [21:36] <Michael> Per host
1313. # [21:37] <ben_c> you'd be better off combining your css files / js files and making sure you're gzipping etc
1314. # [21:37] <Thasmo> Michael, per host means per IP?
1315. # [21:37] <Michael> No per canonical name
1316. # [21:37] <Michael> cdn1.blah.com, cdn2.blah.com
1317. # [21:37] <Thasmo> ah k
1318. # [21:37] <Thasmo> ben_c, ye that was already done.
1319. # [21:37] <Michael> ugh.. this model has 70,000 polygons and is 16mb in collada format
1320. # [21:38] <Michael> 70,000 vertices rather
1321. # [21:38] <ben_c> Thasmo, nice work
1322. # [21:38] <Thasmo> ben_c unfortunately my host doesnt allow the mod_Expires module for apache for whatever reason.s =o(
1323. # [21:38] <ben_c> get rid of them!
1324. # [21:40] <Thasmo> ben_c, ye on the long run we needa figure that out.
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1326. # [21:40] <Michael> I use a vm on slicehost
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1328. # [21:40] <benschwarz> join jquery-ot
1329. # [21:40] <Thasmo> ben_c, regarding parallel downloads this seems interesting: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2007/04/11/performance-research-part-4/
1330. # [21:41] <Thasmo> so it says no more that 2-4 additional hostnames for resources.
1331. # [21:43] <Thasmo> Another one: http://www.ajaxperformance.com/2006/12/18/circumventing-browser-connection-limits-for-fun-and-profit/
1332. # [21:43] <Thasmo> But they're quite old so.
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1336. # [21:47] <shepazu> man, paul_irish, seeing some of the vitriol pouring out about the HTML5 logo, I am tempted to wonder if they might just be trying to get attention through controversy... the Sarah Palins of Web Standards... I really respect some of them, but it's pretty silly to get this worked up about *marketing* rather than real standardization
1337. # [21:48] <ben_c> Thasmo, will have a look -cheers
1338. # [21:48] <benschwarz> shepazu: having a logo is so irrelevant that it dosn't even register as a "serious" endeavour.
1339. # [21:48] <Thasmo> youre welcome - just figuring out for myself, what's the best-practice for that DNS/CDN type of stuff.
1340. # [21:50] <shepazu> benschwarz: yes, exactly... it's a nice-to-have flourish that appeals to a general audience, but it's not the real work of W3C (though I believe it helps build a little momentum and fun)
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1345. # [22:01] <bckenny> my favorite response seemed to imply that all the W3C members were sitting around making the logo instead of working on web standards
1346. # [22:03] <digitalfiz> lol
1347. # [22:04] <benschwarz> fact is, most people have no idea what the W3C actually do or how they work as an organisation
1348. # [22:04] <digitalfiz> i thought it was a bunch of monkeys typing on a typwriter
1349. # [22:04] <benschwarz> meeting mike5w3c (nice name change there mike) proved me wrong too
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1351. # [22:04] <digitalfiz> employeed by a over the hill bald man who resembles mr burns
1352. # [22:05] <dgathright> So, infinite number of monkey typing on an infinite number of typewriters, eventually you get the HTML5 spec? heh
1353. # [22:07] * ericduran|afk is now known as ericduran
1354. # [22:09] <paul_irish> lol mike5w3c
1355. # [22:09] <paul_irish> dgathright: nice response on that boring javascript interview question.
1356. # [22:09] <paul_irish> that is such a base question.
1357. # [22:10] <dgathright> haha, it was funny, was in an interview an hour ago, and the other guys asked that very question.
1358. # [22:10] <dgathright> He kinda got it after some prodding. eh.
1359. # [22:11] <benschwarz> what interview is this?
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1361. # [22:14] <paul_irish> for loop with click handlers.. alert the value of i
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1364. # [22:17] <shepazu> digitalfiz: no, we are a bunch of monkeys typing code into computers that autogenerates standards, logos, and Shakespeare plays
1365. # [22:18] <Thasmo> Hey ho paul_irish, I'M looking for an article about a topic like "including modernizr on the page bottom" or something. Not sure but I think I've seen a similar headline somewhere ... any idea? It was related to a recommendation to only imclude it in the header.
1366. # [22:18] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, have you heard about this lib called modernizr?
1367. # [22:18] <Thasmo> :>
1368. # [22:20] <digitalfiz> shepazu, I KNEW IT!
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1370. # [22:21] <shepazu> digitalfiz: sssshhhhh, not so loud, the internets will hear you and we'll be busted
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1372. # [22:23] * digitalfiz whispers *i knew it*
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1376. # [22:39] <dgathright> benschwarz: http://cam.ly/blog/2011/01/javascript-interview-question/
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1378. # [22:48] <shepazu> lol: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50841/twitter/WhatsNew.png
1379. # [22:48] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
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1382. # [22:51] <dgathright> Breaking: Eric Schmidt stepping aside. paul_irish passed over as new Google CEO. Some guy named Larry Page gets the job instead. #html5 revolts.
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1388. # [22:59] <shepazu> what a load of cowflop. paul_irish should totally have been the new CEO
1389. # [22:59] * shepazu is now known as fake_paul_irish
1390. # [22:59] <fake_paul_irish> I was offered the job, but declined on ethical grounds
1391. # [22:59] * fake_paul_irish is now known as shepazu
1392. # [23:00] <dgathright> time for a If Paul Were CEO meme?
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1394. # [23:01] <masondesu> If Paul Were CEO™
1395. # [23:01] <dgathright> If Paul Were CEO™ -Doing the konami code on the google homepage would make unicorns appear.
1396. # [23:01] <masondesu> The Hot New Board Game from Milton Bradley. Pink highlighter included!
1397. # [23:02] <masondesu> lol
1398. # [23:03] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA shepazu
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1400. # [23:04] <shepazu> www.ispaulirishceoofgoogleyet.com says "No"
1401. # [23:04] <dgathright> lol. http://twitter.com/ericschmidt/status/28196946376130560
1402. # [23:04] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/iiExSi @ericschmidt: Day-to-day adult supervision no longer needed! http://goo.gl/zC89p
1403. # [23:04] <antonkovalyov> holy shit chrome://net-internals is awesome
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1407. # [23:05] <masondesu> If Paul Were CEO™, Google would start developing Google Paul Frame. It would allow older browsers to support pink highlighting and "z-index: unicorn"
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1411. # [23:08] <comatose_kid> An interesting set of criteria for hiring front end engineers...http://www.computedstyle.com/2010/12/hiring-front-end-engineers.html
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1413. # [23:09] <digitalfiz> i still think everyone should do what w3c does and hire a bunch of monkeys its a proven method works every time then we dont need these interview questions
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1415. # [23:12] <mike5w3c> http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/
1416. # [23:12] <dgathright> comatose_kid: Here's another good one about hiring/interviewing F2Es. http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2010/01/05/interviewing-the-front-end-engineer/
1417. # [23:13] <nimbupani> is mike5w3c in honor of html5?
1418. # [23:14] * shepazu is now known as html5hepazu
1419. # [23:14] <html5hepazu> yes, mike5w3c 5's everything
1420. # [23:14] <mike5w3c> it's in honor of the number 5, which is currently the baddest baddasss number of the block
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1423. # [23:14] <dgathright> 5 > 42?
1424. # [23:14] <mike5w3c> shepazu: I 5 that brother
1425. # [23:15] <shepazu> mike5w3c: I 5 you man, you are solid
1426. # [23:15] <mike5w3c> we doing 5 blades
1427. # [23:15] <comatose_kid> dgathright: Nice link - not just a bullet list, but also talks about approach
1428. # [23:15] <mike5w3c> "Open your mouth, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one sweet, fat nightcrawler."
1429. # [23:16] <shepazu> mike5w3c: I like the way you're 5ing that store sign, man: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8624599@N07/5370515439/in/set-72157625737102465/
1430. # [23:16] <mike5w3c> oh god
1431. # [23:16] <mike5w3c> I thought you burned those
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1433. # [23:16] <mike5w3c> LAME
1434. # [23:17] <shepazu> I did... I burned them into the internets gaping eyes
1435. # [23:17] <mike5w3c> heh
1436. # [23:17] <shepazu> btw, mike5w3c, the internet PMed me, she wants your number... she wants to 5 you
1437. # [23:18] <antonkovalyov> haha
1438. # [23:18] <antonkovalyov> nice
1439. # [23:18] <mike5w3c> chee hee
1440. # [23:18] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha ha
1441. # [23:19] <nimbupani> 5 is the new cyber!
1442. # [23:19] <mike5w3c> heh
1443. # [23:19] <dgathright> a/5/l?
1444. # [23:19] <nimbupani> ha ha ha
1445. # [23:20] <dgathright> Feels old as he had to explain to danbeam what "a/s/l?" meant a few days ago.
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1460. # [23:47] <digitalfiz> look we could do 3Dhtml5 http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2011/01/20
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