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  23. # [00:37] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish: in-case you are curious: http://jsfiddle.net/sBy6M/
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  41. # [01:07] <davidmurdoch> firefox is wacky too: http://jsfiddle.net/sBy6M/2/
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  45. # [01:12] <pluma> davidmurdoch: It's in Chrome 8 also.
  46. # [01:12] <pluma> davidmurdoch: so it's safe to assume it's not new
  47. # [01:13] <davidmurdoch> fun though, isn't it?
  48. # [01:13] <davidmurdoch> :-p
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  50. # [01:16] <pluma> Sure.
  51. # [01:23] <BrianBlakely> Open Q: How do I get element height in pixels without padding/borderWidth values attached — when the element's height is auto? Is the only way to get the computed value of said padding & border?
  52. # [01:24] <BrianBlakely> I could read the jQuery source, buuuuuhhht...
  53. # [01:26] <paul_irish> >:|
  54. # [01:26] <paul_irish> and yes. i believe that is the only way
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  56. # [01:30] <davidmurdoch> I usually use a ruler.
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  58. # [01:31] <andrewjbaker> ^^
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  62. # [01:51] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish, flexbox is being rewritten, btw.
  63. # [01:51] <paul_irish> davidmurdoch: i was getting nachos with Tab about four minutes ago. :)
  64. # [01:51] <nimbupani> :D :D
  65. # [01:51] <davidmurdoch> haha. mmmmm nachos!
  66. # [01:51] <paul_irish> they were incredible.
  67. # [01:51] <davidmurdoch> i just ate a bag of Reeses cup minis.
  68. # [01:52] <davidmurdoch> nope, one left
  69. # [01:52] <davidmurdoch> k, gone.
  70. # [01:54] <davidmurdoch> any good moves out right now?
  71. # [01:55] <BrianBlakely> Thanks for confirming my deal, paul_irish — davidmurdoch, you're a such a bro
  72. # [01:56] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: 127 Days, True Grit, Black Swan, Tron Legacy (controversial! :O)
  73. # [01:58] <davidmurdoch> have you seen The Dilemma?
  74. # [02:02] <davidmurdoch> My wife does't want to see True Grit, Black Swan, or Tron Legacy. :-/
  75. # [02:02] <BrianBlakely> I haven't heard of that movie, soorie
  76. # [02:03] <davidmurdoch> Its a comedy with Kevin James and Vince Vaughn
  77. # [02:04] <BrianBlakely> Ah, yes
  78. # [02:04] <BrianBlakely> ..do you have Netflix? :P
  79. # [02:05] <BrianBlakely> good night!
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  81. # [02:06] <davidmurdoch> nope. night!
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  110. # [03:16] <Trisox> nn
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  120. # [03:23] <paul_irish> dmachi1: are you actually on twitter? i noticed brian and rebecca referencing a non-you yesterday.
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  124. # [03:38] <digitalfiz> i bet they used a html5 hax on his twitter
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  146. # [04:38] <antonkovalyov> wait a second
  147. # [04:39] <antonkovalyov> since when close/expand/minimize buttons in mac chrome are all different?
  148. # [04:39] <antonkovalyov> a little ocd guy in me is pissed
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  150. # [04:46] <paul_irish> hey myakura
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  157. # [05:12] <dmachi1> paul_irish: yeah, finally, just took a few years to break down my resistance…@dmachi, not that i say much worthwhile :P
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  159. # [05:13] <dmachi1> paul_irish: doh, @dustinmachi, dmachi is some hip hop person
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  167. # [05:28] <KDN> paul_irish Are you around / awake?
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  170. # [05:32] <paul_irish> KDN:
  171. # [05:34] <KDN> paul_irish: Just noticed that you added me under thanks for v0.9.1 of boilerplate but you missed a few letters in my first name.
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  173. # [05:46] <nimbupani> where KDN?
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  176. # [05:51] <KDN> ken nordahl should be kenneth nordahl(in v.9.1 thanks). Thought about pushing an update but it seams kind of obsessive only for that tiny change
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  222. # [08:21] <paul_irish> KDN: actually if you fork and commit .. just let me know and i'll bring it over :)
  223. # [08:21] <paul_irish> thx
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  229. # [08:49] <shichuan> what are the commands that can be used in irc?
  230. # [08:51] <obert-> kick kick run up up
  231. # [08:53] <paul_irish> shichuan /join #channel ... /part partmsg ... /msg nick hey lover whats up
  232. # [08:54] <shichuan> thanks :)
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  241. # [09:24] <alrra> paul_irish: did you sand the w3foolspostmortem letter to mdn ?
  242. # [09:24] <paul_irish> it never got finished
  243. # [09:24] <paul_irish> so no
  244. # [09:24] <alrra> here is some news from mdn: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/write-some-docs-get-an-mdn-t-shirt/
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  377. # [17:56] <vyvea> Hello, in HTML5 Canvas can use/draw HTML Form's? something like Button, Text input, Submit, etc.
  378. # [17:57] <vyvea> or how better draw menu's and other's in Canvas element
  379. # [17:57] <vyvea> sorry for newbie question ;-)
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  388. # [18:15] <JonathanNeal> Hello!
  389. # [18:15] <nimbupani> yo JonathanNeal!
  390. # [18:16] <JonathanNeal> So, while I was gone did you guys make many changes to base css?
  391. # [18:16] <nimbupani> o boilerplate?
  392. # [18:16] <nimbupani> a little bit
  393. # [18:16] <JonathanNeal> oui
  394. # [18:16] <nimbupani> cant think of anything ground breaking.
  395. # [18:16] <paul_irish> oui oui
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  398. # [18:17] <JonathanNeal> Hey paul_irish!
  399. # [18:17] <paul_irish> :)
  400. # [18:18] <JonathanNeal> Last night a guy out here asked me about jQ touch and as a response I showed him a yayQuery episode with John Resig introducing the show while singing the yayQuery theme song.
  401. # [18:19] <paul_irish> as a result, he learned a few things.
  402. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> As a result, he now also wants to do podcasts :)
  403. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> He thought it was amazing.
  404. # [18:20] <paul_irish> iaaaaawesomeeeee
  405. # [18:20] <JonathanNeal> Yea, there's a lot of yayQuery love out there.
  406. # [18:20] <JonathanNeal> The show is info-tainment.
  407. # [18:21] <nimbupani> much like paul_irish
  408. # [18:21] <JonathanNeal> nice
  409. # [18:21] <paul_irish> I was expecting the yayQuery podcast to be in Spanish."
  410. # [18:22] <paul_irish> WHO WOULD BE THAT silly?1
  411. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> My girlfriend could translate fo sho.
  412. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> :P
  413. # [18:22] <nimbupani> yes why dont you all speak in spanish?
  414. # [18:22] <nimbupani> would be great fun
  415. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> Just don't be alarmed when you're listening to the translation and you hear things like "El Diablo Robotico"
  416. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> You're like "What did I say that translates to that... huh. Oh well, must be right."
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  419. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> I'm really bummed more hasn't been done @ https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki/Reference-Sheet-for-Mobile-Platforms
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  421. # [18:25] <paul_irish> i'm not sure if shichaun kept workin in his sheet
  422. # [18:26] <JonathanNeal> Well, for mobile in general.
  423. # [18:26] <paul_irish> ah
  424. # [18:26] <paul_irish> welll actually
  425. # [18:26] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/wiki
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  428. # [18:29] <JonathanNeal> Good.
  429. # [18:29] <JonathanNeal> It's a start.
  430. # [18:29] <paul_irish> ya
  431. # [18:29] <JonathanNeal> I haven't been thrilled with the css skin libraries for mobile either.
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  433. # [18:31] <paul_irish> hey JonathanNeal http://jsfiddle.net/paul/vQXKv/
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  436. # [18:33] <JonathanNeal> Thanks.
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  438. # [18:34] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: I'm assuming that all the unresolved tickets at lazyweb-requests still need people to work on them/help?
  439. # [18:34] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: yus
  440. # [18:35] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/iphone-css/
  441. # [18:39] <JonathanNeal> I wasn't able to create smooth scrolling, but I had something, and it looked right in IE and Firefox, so even if they weren't the "target" market, they made it easier to develop on.
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  444. # [18:43] <JonathanNeal> I was going to build a simple score keeper app for card games, since all the free ones REALLY sucked.
  445. # [18:43] <JonathanNeal> Couldn't play a sensable game of Gin Rummy, I tell ya.
  446. # [18:44] <paul_irish> haha i forgot how to play :(
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  450. # [18:50] <paul_irish> http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/
  451. # [18:52] <Pewpewarrows> wow it even has the little bits of graphite dust float off as you draw
  452. # [18:52] <jo-erlend> that really caused my Firefox to work hard... :)
  453. # [18:52] <Pewpewarrows> /nicetouch
  454. # [18:53] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: looking for a project
  455. # [18:53] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: yeah, been reading through all the tickets
  456. # [18:54] <Pewpewarrows> anything in particular you need?
  457. # [18:54] <paul_irish> i have a new idea that i think is amazing
  458. # [18:54] <paul_irish> a chrome extension for diff'ing
  459. # [18:54] <paul_irish> click.. select one chunk of text.. select another
  460. # [18:54] <paul_irish> and get a big beautiful dif
  461. # [18:54] <paul_irish> f
  462. # [18:55] <JonathanNeal> Nice
  463. # [18:55] <JonathanNeal> That's a good idea.
  464. # [18:55] <Evet> paul_irish: i wish that multiplayer
  465. # [18:55] <Pewpewarrows> oh that would be fancy
  466. # [18:55] <Pewpewarrows> hmm now I'm torn between that and the mailing list beautifier
  467. # [18:56] <paul_irish> mailing list beautifier?
  468. # [18:56] <Pewpewarrows> https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/23
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  470. # [18:56] <Pewpewarrows> well less of a beautifier than permalink support
  471. # [18:57] <paul_irish> someone here started on that a few days ago.. let me find the log.
  472. # [18:57] <Pewpewarrows> oh, see good thing I asked
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  479. # [19:04] <Pewpewarrows> well if you don't mind paul_irish I'll start cracking away at the extension ^^
  480. # [19:04] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: yah man do eeet
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  484. # [19:13] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i havent yet merged your latest IEPP with modernizr. should i go ahead and do that?
  485. # [19:14] <paul_irish> i havent heard reports of this one or the latest
  486. # [19:14] <paul_irish> except for the @media bug i reported the other day
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  488. # [19:18] <JonathanNeal> Ah
  489. # [19:18] <JonathanNeal> I will have to review that media bug.
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  491. # [19:21] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i figure if its not accessible via CSSOM then it might not be fixable, reasonably. :/
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  493. # [19:22] <knittl> hi. did the value of onsubmit in <form> change from javascript code to a function name?
  494. # [19:23] <knittl> i.e. html4 = <form … onsubmit="return func();">, html5 = <form … onsubmit="func">
  495. # [19:24] <knittl> w3c validator makes me wonder
  496. # [19:26] <paul_irish> nope
  497. # [19:26] <knittl> paul_irish: bit it only validates the latter
  498. # [19:26] <paul_irish> should definitely be some ()
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  500. # [19:27] <knittl> paul_irish: ok, it does not complain about func(), but it complains about return func()
  501. # [19:28] <paul_irish> knittl: the return is unncessary
  502. # [19:28] <paul_irish> but also the validator doesnt know what its talking about inside those event handlers
  503. # [19:28] <knittl> unnecessary != wrong
  504. # [19:28] <paul_irish> its a bug :)
  505. # [19:28] <knittl> it's not a feature, it's a bug? ;)
  506. # [19:29] <paul_irish> bingo
  507. # [19:29] <Trisox> hey paul
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  509. # [19:29] <knittl> okay. thank you very much :)
  510. # [19:30] <Trisox> paul_irish did they add any new print functions to css3/html5 couldn find much about it
  511. # [19:30] <paul_irish> print?
  512. # [19:31] <Trisox> yea printing web pages
  513. # [19:31] <paul_irish> ?g paged media w3c spec
  514. # [19:31] <paul_irish> its not very implemented yet
  515. # [19:31] <paul_irish> and botty is gone
  516. # [19:31] <Trisox> i know
  517. # [19:31] <Trisox> its verry bad ...
  518. # [19:35] <craigbarnes> This channel should be renamed to paulirishfanclub
  519. # [19:36] <Trisox> no wy
  520. # [19:36] <knittl> lol
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  541. # [20:05] <paul_irish> lol @ om om cox
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  548. # [20:13] <thatryan> lol @ ?fpi
  549. # [20:14] <thatryan> i still think thats hilarious :)
  550. # [20:14] <thatryan> also, hi!
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  556. # [20:21] <thatryan> ok the jquery room is weird
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  558. # [20:26] <dcdarkie> lol weird how?
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  562. # [20:32] <thatryan> i guess one dude asked for help, and another was trying to help and another got on him for not knowing
  563. # [20:32] <thatryan> then they made fun of eachothers english
  564. # [20:32] <thatryan> lol
  565. # [20:33] <dcdarkie> oh thats normal lolz
  566. # [20:34] <digitalfiz> uk'rs are always weird i love them
  567. # [20:35] <dcdarkie> I just may move across the planet to live in the uk one day.
  568. # [20:35] <dcdarkie> just for that accent.
  569. # [20:35] <thatryan> lol
  570. # [20:35] <thatryan> word that is fun
  571. # [20:37] <craigbarnes> stop hating on the uk please
  572. # [20:37] <craigbarnes> that is my motherland
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  574. # [20:39] <thatryan> no hate
  575. # [20:39] <craigbarnes> haha I know I'm joking
  576. # [20:39] <craigbarnes> dry English humour you know
  577. # [20:40] <thatryan> lol :)
  578. # [20:40] <craigbarnes> I probably hate the uk more than you anyway :)
  579. # [20:40] <thatryan> where do you live there
  580. # [20:41] <craigbarnes> I don't
  581. # [20:41] <craigbarnes> I was born there but don't live there now
  582. # [20:42] <digitalfiz> uk people are funny
  583. # [20:43] <thatryan> ahhh
  584. # [20:43] <digitalfiz> i love the accent and the humor is even better
  585. # [20:43] <craigbarnes> funny to laugh at or with?
  586. # [20:43] <digitalfiz> both
  587. # [20:43] <craigbarnes> lol
  588. # [20:43] <digitalfiz> i like uk people better then americans most of the time
  589. # [20:44] <dcdarkie> I'm an amaerican and I can say the average US person is a disgrace heh.
  590. # [20:45] <craigbarnes> I'm a citizen of the world and I can say that the average human being is a disgrace
  591. # [20:45] <craigbarnes> cynicism is reality :)
  592. # [20:45] <dcdarkie> lols
  593. # [20:47] <craigbarnes> British people have taken that nice, polite reputation they used to have and cracked it on the head with a cheap bottle of warm beer
  594. # [20:47] <nimbupani> history suggests the nice polite reputation is a myth
  595. # [20:48] <craigbarnes> Yeah I've never seen anything to back it up
  596. # [20:48] <craigbarnes> what history are you referring to?
  597. # [20:49] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: why are you in .sg again?
  598. # [20:50] <craigbarnes> I'm in .th
  599. # [20:50] <nimbupani> whatt
  600. # [20:50] <nimbupani> yeah he is in .th
  601. # [20:50] <nimbupani> only shichuan is in .sg :)
  602. # [20:50] * nimbupani misses .sg
  603. # [20:50] <craigbarnes> Just because I had the chance to work from anywhere and chose here
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  605. # [20:55] <thatryan> you guys live in file extensions?
  606. # [20:55] <thatryan> ;)
  607. # [20:56] <dcdarkie> no lol. TLD's
  608. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> paul_irish, just looked at the .woff fix commit for the boilerplate...
  609. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> did anyone test sending .woff as application/octet-stream?
  610. # [20:58] <paul_irish> yup. same msg
  611. # [20:59] <paul_irish> Peter` is actually gonna commit a fix that will let chrome accept application/x-woff without bitching
  612. # [20:59] <craigbarnes> just as a temporary hack?
  613. # [21:00] <paul_irish> thats actually the permanent fix
  614. # [21:00] <paul_irish> font/woff would break all sorts of rules.
  615. # [21:00] <paul_irish> regardless of how obviously logical it is.
  616. # [21:01] <craigbarnes> yeah I guess it's just preempting the obvious then
  617. # [21:01] <craigbarnes> the only problem is the console messages though right?
  618. # [21:02] <craigbarnes> there's no other issues caused by it?
  619. # [21:02] <paul_irish> correct.
  620. # [21:02] <paul_irish> browsers dont give a shit about what mimetype you serve those files as. except IIS screws it up.
  621. # [21:03] <paul_irish> anyway. it's purely for aesthetic reasons.
  622. # [21:03] <craigbarnes> Strange how application/octet-stream still triggers the warnings
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  624. # [21:03] <craigbarnes> do you know why that is?
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  626. # [21:05] <paul_irish> nope
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  632. # [21:11] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: does this build script do filename revving?
  633. # [21:11] * paul_irish is not seeing it
  634. # [21:12] <craigbarnes> paul_irish, which one?
  635. # [21:12] <paul_irish> kirk's
  636. # [21:12] <craigbarnes> hmm I can't even remember for that one
  637. # [21:13] <craigbarnes> I tried to delete ant from my head
  638. # [21:13] <paul_irish> hmm this looks wrong..
  639. # [21:13] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: you think Ant is the wrong way to go?
  640. # [21:13] <craigbarnes> how so?
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  643. # [21:13] <paul_irish> iunno its completely skipping everythign between copying to /publish and optimizing images.
  644. # [21:13] <snover> ant is great if you think xml and java are both great
  645. # [21:13] <craigbarnes> Personally I hate it...the only reason I've ever endured it is in the name of cross-platform support
  646. # [21:14] <craigbarnes> but cmake does that too
  647. # [21:14] <craigbarnes> although I've not really tried it much
  648. # [21:14] <craigbarnes> and it may be over-engineer for simple tasks
  649. # [21:14] <craigbarnes> make is beautiful
  650. # [21:14] <craigbarnes> except possibly the tabs
  651. # [21:15] <paul_irish> can't do spaces?
  652. # [21:15] <craigbarnes> yeah, you can do spaces but....
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  654. # [21:15] <craigbarnes> tabs and spaces are semantically different yet visibly indistinguishable
  655. # [21:16] <craigbarnes> understandably it's a common complaint
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  658. # [21:18] <craigbarnes> make is simple and to the point, works on any unix-like OS
  659. # [21:18] <paul_irish> but think of the poor windows users!
  660. # [21:18] <paul_irish> :/
  661. # [21:19] <craigbarnes> I've never tried to get it working on Windows but I'm sure there's a way
  662. # [21:19] <paul_irish> anyway. i wanna see what you got. can you just gist the gist of it
  663. # [21:19] <craigbarnes> I'm cleaning it up a little first
  664. # [21:19] <craigbarnes> removing some top secret parts ;)
  665. # [21:20] <craigbarnes> it's quite a bit different from what the boilerplate needs but it would be a decent starting point
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  669. # [21:23] <craigbarnes> when I say top secret I probably just mean embarrassing hacks/comments lol
  670. # [21:23] <paul_irish> :)
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  672. # [21:26] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: you workin on it?!
  673. # [21:26] <paul_irish> omg i want it already
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  683. # [21:42] <JonathanNeal> Back
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  685. # [21:45] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: working on it! https://github.com/Pewpewarrows/chrome-guillotine
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  688. # [21:47] <paul_irish> baller
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  690. # [21:52] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: .. two things.. one.. isnt it mad late for you
  691. # [21:52] <paul_irish> 2) remember this shit: ant minify -Denv-prod
  692. # [21:52] <craigbarnes> paul_irish, yes, I've just gotten over the flu and my sleep pattern is messed up :)
  693. # [21:53] <paul_irish> ant build -Denv=prod #rather
  694. # [21:53] <craigbarnes> yeah I vaguely recall
  695. # [21:53] <craigbarnes> to specify dev/test/prod right?
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  697. # [21:54] <paul_irish> yeah.. defaults to dev. which has no minification or concat
  698. # [21:54] <paul_irish> just like... file cleanup and image optimization
  699. # [21:54] <paul_irish> which do you think is a better default? dev or prod
  700. # [21:55] * paul_irish leans towards prod... if i'm building i want the minification/concat shit.. it'll take longer but i should be ready for that.
  701. # [21:55] <craigbarnes> for a project where a lot of noobs will be using it
  702. # [21:55] <craigbarnes> probably prod
  703. # [21:55] <paul_irish> k. changing it.
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  705. # [21:55] <Peter`> <paul_irish> font/woff would break all sorts of rules.
  706. # [21:55] <craigbarnes> although I'm not sure how many of them will actually build it
  707. # [21:55] <Peter`> the official mime-type is application/font-woff
  708. # [21:55] <craigbarnes> I always thought we should build it for them
  709. # [21:55] <Peter`> it's under review by the IETF
  710. # [21:55] <paul_irish> also other benefit is that it's consistent with previous script
  711. # [21:55] <Peter`> so for now it's application/x-font-woff
  712. # [21:55] <craigbarnes> and put it in a nice noob-friendly .zip
  713. # [21:56] <craigbarnes> even a .tgz is too scary for most noobs ;)
  714. # [21:56] <paul_irish> Peter`: yeah well.. vladimir (of monotype) said he was working on getting the toplevel font type approved
  715. # [21:56] <paul_irish> and font/opentype is totally peachy with chrome
  716. # [21:56] <Peter`> The spec disagrees right now. I'll search through the list for relevant discussion though
  717. # [21:57] <paul_irish> yeah yeah that's fine
  718. # [21:57] <paul_irish> i'm just saying.. application/ makes no sense for fonts.
  719. # [21:57] * craigbarnes agrees
  720. # [21:57] <paul_irish> but.. i'm not going to do anything about it. :)
  721. # [21:57] <Peter`> I truly don't give a damn to be honest
  722. # [21:57] <Peter`> a font is a font, and as long as I can make the warning go away I'm happy
  723. # [21:57] <paul_irish> SAME. just want the chrome warning to go away
  724. # [21:58] * paul_irish _o/\o_ Peter`
  725. # [21:58] <Peter`> I briefly discussed the issue and will make the patch tomorrowish
  726. # [21:58] <Peter`> or tonightish, just came home
  727. # [21:58] <Peter`> might add application/font-woff too though
  728. # [21:59] <Peter`> not sure yet, going to search for relevant discussion first
  729. # [22:01] <paul_irish> sad thread http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-types/current/threads.html#01115
  730. # [22:01] <Peter`> I am aware of that :)
  731. # [22:02] <paul_irish> is fonts.com really advertising on the unofficial mimetype?
  732. # [22:02] <paul_irish> got their bases covered.
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  734. # [22:04] <JonathanNeal> Anyone wanna work on mobile with me today?
  735. # [22:05] <nimbupani> Peter`: dont waste your time here!
  736. # [22:05] <nimbupani> :)
  737. # [22:05] <Peter`> it's a one-line change
  738. # [22:05] <Peter`> you can do it yourself locally
  739. # [22:06] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i got a nexus S i can test things on for ya
  740. # [22:06] <craigbarnes> JonathanNeal, what are you working on?
  741. # [22:06] <paul_irish> but the browser is no different from android 2.2 browsers so.... :/
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  745. # [22:09] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i'm working on html5 boilerplate build script stuff (almost done) and then after that Modernizr updates
  746. # [22:09] <JonathanNeal> I would like to build a basic webkit gecko friendly mobile interface
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  748. # [22:09] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: did you see Phantom Limb ?
  749. # [22:09] <paul_irish> Phantom Limb makes desktop browsers simulate touch events http://goo.gl/0vUwL also replaces your mouse cursor w/ a creepy disembodied hand ☚
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  751. # [22:10] <craig_barnes> sorry, asked a question then got disconnected
  752. # [22:10] <craig_barnes> I wasn't being rude :)
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  754. # [22:11] <paul_irish> "I would like to build a basic webkit gecko friendly mobile interface" said he
  755. # [22:11] <craig_barnes> paul_irish, think I'm gonna write this makefile from scratch
  756. # [22:11] <JonathanNeal> Yeap
  757. # [22:11] <JonathanNeal> Mostly just the CSS, then the smooth scrolling.
  758. # [22:12] <JonathanNeal> Something independent, so if it fails it is good research and if it succeeds it can help a lot of people.
  759. # [22:13] <craig_barnes> I'll make a branch if you want to take a look
  760. # [22:13] <craig_barnes> when there's something there
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  762. # [22:16] <JonathanNeal> I wish there was a way to make the iPhone back button without a graphic.
  763. # [22:17] <JonathanNeal> You know, kind of rounded on one side and then at an arrow point on the other. Is there?
  764. # [22:17] <paul_irish> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0a2/#docs/about/intro.html
  765. # [22:17] <paul_irish> not that. hmm
  766. # [22:18] <JonathanNeal> http://pessoal.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/child.png <-- that
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  768. # [22:18] <paul_irish> ya..
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  771. # [22:19] <Pewpewarrows> didn't someone here post a damn close one using just css a few days ago?
  772. # [22:20] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: I could try something with a before content that is transformed 45degrees
  773. # [22:20] <JonathanNeal> http://lab.jeffbatterton.com/iphone-back-button/
  774. # [22:20] <craig_barnes> couldn't you do it with raphael.js and SVG?
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  776. # [22:20] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: yeah was aobut to say that
  777. # [22:20] <craig_barnes> does that count as non-graphic?
  778. # [22:21] <paul_irish> http://html5boilerplate.com/ has the inverse with generated content
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  780. # [22:21] <nimbupani> i use the borders JonathanNeal
  781. # [22:21] <nimbupani> in ^
  782. # [22:22] <nimbupani> ?g necolas gallagher background
  783. # [22:22] <nimbupani> oops
  784. # [22:22] <nimbupani> damnnit
  785. # [22:22] <Pewpewarrows> there needs to be a badge I can put on a login form that says "we salt, hash, and/or use slow encryption algorithms on your password, so even if our servers are compromised you're not going to get fucked"
  786. # [22:22] <nimbupani> http://nicolasgallagher.com/css-background-image-hacks/
  787. # [22:23] <JonathanNeal> Right.
  788. # [22:23] <JonathanNeal> That without images.
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  792. # [22:25] <JonathanNeal> What would also help would be a labeled guide to what the iphone interface components are named.
  793. # [22:25] <JonathanNeal> every library gives a different name to the toolbar at the top, it seems.
  794. # [22:26] <JonathanNeal> Mayhaps http://www.idev101.com/code/User_Interface/sizes.html ?
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  797. # [22:30] <JonathanNeal> The yahoo stencil was useful too http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/about/stencils/
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  799. # [22:35] <JonathanNeal> I think I know the names of the areas now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBnPfAtswgw
  800. # [22:35] <JonathanNeal> I hope jQTouch and jQuery mobile follow the standards.
  801. # [22:42] <daleharvey> someone in here did post a back button without images
  802. # [22:42] <daleharvey> I was the one who asked about it
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  804. # [22:42] <JonathanNeal> what's the guy's IM for the jQTouch video again paul_irish?
  805. # [22:42] <JonathanNeal> I had to close pidgin when the internet went wack
  806. # [22:42] <JonathanNeal> I'd really appreciate it.
  807. # [22:42] <paul_irish> pm'd
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  809. # [22:42] <JonathanNeal> gratzi
  810. # [22:42] <daleharvey> yeh it was the same technique as that link
  811. # [22:43] <JonathanNeal> Off to Starbucks (the man who doesn't drink coffee) to go be productive!
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  835. # [23:40] <phillipadsmith> Is this a good spot to ask for guidance on conventions for HTML5 markup?
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  837. # [23:41] <thatryan> I would think so
  838. # [23:41] <dcdarkie> yussir
  839. # [23:41] <phillipadsmith> awesome... :)
  840. # [23:42] <tw2113> nooooooooooooo a room named #html5 would be the last place to talk about html5 :P
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  842. # [23:42] <thatryan> was that your question? ;)
  843. # [23:42] <phillipadsmith> I'm curious about the best way to markup a "recommendation" as in one person recommending another. The elements are the Company Name, Person Name, Person Title, the actual text of the recommendation, and so on.
  844. # [23:42] <phillipadsmith> I'm pondering a definition list, but also was wondering if there's a microformat for this that exists already with some direction on the actual elements to use.
  845. # [23:43] <thatryan> i miss bot-t :(
  846. # [23:43] <tw2113> what happened to the bot?
  847. # [23:43] <antonkovalyov> hey everybody
  848. # [23:43] <antonkovalyov> what happened to bot-t?
  849. # [23:43] <phillipadsmith> heh... asking a redundant question? :)
  850. # [23:43] <thatryan> died i guess, in jquery room too
  851. # [23:43] <thatryan> hey antonkovalyov
  852. # [23:43] <antonkovalyov> nooooooo
  853. # [23:43] <tw2113> anton!
  854. # [23:43] <antonkovalyov> boooooot-t is the reason i am here
  855. # [23:43] <thatryan> tw2113: is the microformat guy ;)
  856. # [23:44] * phillipadsmith has been looking at the microformats site to find something, but there's nothing quite right...
  857. # [23:44] <phillipadsmith> how about straight-up elements? Definition list, blockquote, unordered list, spans?
  858. # [23:45] <tw2113> yay! greasemonkey got updated for the FF betas
  859. # [23:45] <antonkovalyov> i like how fx people never can update to the latest versions because all plugins stop working
  860. # [23:46] <antonkovalyov> the one thing i miss in berkeley is samovar tea lounge
  861. # [23:47] <tw2113> not sure what to recommend for the recommendation part
  862. # [23:48] <tw2113> perhaps a section with the class of "recommendation"
  863. # [23:48] <tw2113> i wonder if hresume would work
  864. # [23:48] <phillipadsmith> tw2113: thoughts on the individual entities in the section, e.g. the person, company, etc.?
  865. # [23:48] <phillipadsmith> tw2113: yah, I was looking at hresume also... /me ponders...
  866. # [23:50] <tw2113> that may be a good area for a 2nd WordPress plugin....resumes
  867. # [23:50] * phillipadsmith is also looking at the section on extensibility on diveintohtmml5 which suggest declaring a "microdata vocabulary"
  868. # [23:50] <phillipadsmith> e.g.: <section itemscope itemtype="http://data-vocabulary.org/Person">
  869. # [23:53] <tw2113> ooh, after my foray into metaboxes in WordPress posts/pages the past 2 days, it'd be a good chance to add a resume section, instead of a lowly widget
  870. # [23:53] <phillipadsmith> tw2113++
  871. # [23:53] <phillipadsmith> (not that I use WordPress...)
  872. # [23:54] <tw2113> :D
  873. # [23:54] <tw2113> damn it, now i've gone thinking again, i already have enough ideas that need completed
  874. # [23:57] <phillipadsmith> Hunh... I'm confused. Is this http://www.data-vocabulary.org/ site canonical? Folks use it? Because it does have a vocabulary for Review that would probably work: http://www.data-vocabulary.org/Review/
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  876. # [23:58] <phillipadsmith> But I'm confused about the relationship between formats like hCard and something like: http://www.data-vocabulary.org/Person/
  877. # [23:58] <phillipadsmith> they seem to be overlapping, or competing...?
  878. # [23:59] <tw2113> i'd probably stick to http://microformats.org/ personally
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  880. # [23:59] <tw2113> unless they link to a different site, then i'd trust in their reference to it
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