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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jan 24 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <tw2113> this will be a decent resource chipotle http://diveintohtml5.org/
  4. # [00:00] <tw2113> at least for the upcoming stuff
  5. # [00:00] <tw2113> sitepoint does pretty decent with accurate info
  6. # [00:00] <digitalfiz> i really like that site
  7. # [00:01] <tw2113> alistapart.com is good
  8. # [00:01] <digitalfiz> anothewr one i likes was http://slides.html5rocks.com/
  9. # [00:01] <chipotle> tw2113: but don't i need an html4 background first? i have read some of that, and i can add a <video> tag here and there, but i don't know how to actually write a page of html/css
  10. # [00:01] <digitalfiz> for a presentation anyways i taught me a lot
  11. # [00:01] <tw2113> html5 is html4+some new features
  12. # [00:02] <tw2113> http://htmldog.com/
  13. # [00:02] <tw2113> avoid w3schools if you want to be allowed back in here :P
  14. # [00:03] <thatryan> lol
  15. # [00:03] <digitalfiz> i like w3schools...
  16. # [00:03] <chipotle> yeah, i have heard bad things about w3schools
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  19. # [00:03] <chipotle> tw2113: i know that, but diveintohtml5 only talks about the new talks, right?
  20. # [00:04] <thatryan> someone ban digitalfiz :p
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  22. # [00:04] <digitalfiz> lol i just kidding :P
  23. # [00:04] <tw2113> thus why i said "[04:57pm] <tw2113> at least for the upcoming stuff"
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  25. # [00:04] <tw2113> and later linked htmldg
  26. # [00:04] <tw2113> dog*
  27. # [00:05] <thatryan> ok i am starting my next project tonight...
  28. # [00:05] <thatryan> html, the right way, for beginners
  29. # [00:05] <tw2113> debugging your site for IE5?
  30. # [00:05] <tw2113> ah
  31. # [00:05] <thatryan> lol
  32. # [00:05] <thatryan> fuck ie!
  33. # [00:05] <thatryan> ;)
  34. # [00:05] <tw2113> hey, if it gets you laid
  35. # [00:06] <thatryan> hmmmm
  36. # [00:06] <chipotle> tw2113: is it pretty normal for the html/css/php guy to work with a graphic designer who designs the site in photoshop? then the html/css/php guy (me) would take the design and transform it to work on the web (and whatever applications you are using)?
  37. # [00:07] <tw2113> it's what i do
  38. # [00:07] <thatryan> me too
  39. # [00:07] <thatryan> so, yes :)
  40. # [00:07] <tw2113> i'm often given PSD files to slice and make into WordPress themes
  41. # [00:07] <cgcardona> yeah me 2
  42. # [00:08] <tw2113> or for the smaller stuff, given a premade template to alter
  43. # [00:08] <tw2113> once in a blue moon, given a drupal site to remake into a WordPress site
  44. # [00:08] <tw2113> wait not drupal
  45. # [00:08] <tw2113> joomla
  46. # [00:09] <chipotle> how much time should i expect to dedicate to be able to take PSDs and slice into a drupal theme?
  47. # [00:09] <tw2113> depends on how big the project is going to be
  48. # [00:09] <thatryan> i do a lot of joomla too
  49. # [00:09] <thatryan> never drupal though
  50. # [00:09] <tw2113> and how complicated the mockup is
  51. # [00:09] <thatryan> yet
  52. # [00:09] <fiz_> and how good you are :P
  53. # [00:09] <thatryan> and if it has to work in ie
  54. # [00:09] <thatryan> :D
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  56. # [00:10] <tw2113> i got a simple 2 page theme done in two days of work hours
  57. # [00:10] <tw2113> so less than 16 hours for sure
  58. # [00:10] <tw2113> IE working too
  59. # [00:10] <thatryan> even your animated unicorn gifs worked?
  60. # [00:10] <chipotle> well, i mean for beginning to learn html/css to be able to do this. should i expect in a month of studying html/css i can take a PSD and convert it to the web? or even less?
  61. # [00:10] <tw2113> i don't use that plugin
  62. # [00:11] <thatryan> lol
  63. # [00:11] <tw2113> i have no way to calculate that chipotle
  64. # [00:11] <thatryan> chipotle: it really very much depends... at first probably a week lol, bust some can be hours..
  65. # [00:11] <tw2113> depends on how fast of a learner you are and other factors
  66. # [00:12] <chipotle> so, possibly, in less than a week, i can have enough skills to take a PSD and slice into a theme that can be read in drupal/wordpress/whatever?
  67. # [00:12] <chipotle> seems very quick!
  68. # [00:12] <chipotle> i like to think i'm smart -- and i'm still a student, but classes start tomorrow
  69. # [00:13] <chipotle> i'm asking now because i have to decide if i take 3 or 4 classes next semester, so i can spend enough time on web design/dev too
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  71. # [00:13] <tw2113> with those two factors, give yourself some time
  72. # [00:13] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: http://code.google.com/edu/submissions/html-css-javascript/
  73. # [00:13] <Pewpewarrows> watch all of those, and you'll have a good grasp of it
  74. # [00:13] <Pewpewarrows> walks you through from the beginning
  75. # [00:14] <tw2113> don't rush it, learn best practices, take your time to understand what you're doing
  76. # [00:15] <thatryan> yeah, thats really the best advice
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  78. # [00:15] <tw2113> don't be afraid to ask questions or for feedback
  79. # [00:15] <Isowerk> Hello. Here is my latest experiment: http://www.isowerk.com/dev/ijs/minidungeon/
  80. # [00:16] <chipotle> tw2113: i can ask you? :P
  81. # [00:16] <thatryan> Isowerk: dude that is freaking badass
  82. # [00:16] <Isowerk> hehe, thanks :)
  83. # [00:17] <chromedFiz> Isowerk: that looks like zelda link to the past
  84. # [00:17] <Isowerk> you can get more crap like this on www.isowerk.com
  85. # [00:17] <chromedFiz> very nice
  86. # [00:17] <chipotle> where do i learn "best practices"? when i was working on a wordpress blog, i realized how important best practices are... there were unlimited ways to do one thing. that's what i like about drupal: there are plenty of ways to do one thing, but usually only one "right" way
  87. # [00:17] <chipotle> the only best practice for html/css that i know currently is "do not use tables"
  88. # [00:17] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: well, that's the hard part, you learn those over time
  89. # [00:17] <thatryan> you can use tables, but only where appropriate, such as tabular data
  90. # [00:17] <chipotle> wow, Pewpewarrows thank you!
  91. # [00:18] <chromedFiz> yeah thats defnate the graphics from zelda link to the past my fav snes game of all time
  92. # [00:18] <chipotle> jquery is a java script library, right? so i need to learn js before i learn jquery?
  93. # [00:18] <Pewpewarrows> but generally any of the guys/gals in here can answer any questions you have about specific best practices
  94. # [00:18] <chipotle> i have used a lot of jquery plugins already,a nd have done some light design (changing color, for instance)
  95. # [00:18] <thatryan> NEED? no. SHOULD? yes.
  96. # [00:18] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: you don't have to, but it'll help you in the long ru
  97. # [00:18] <chromedFiz> Isowerk: very ice work its like a link to the past sequal preview haha
  98. # [00:18] <Isowerk> Jquery can very quickly get a massive mess if you don't learn proper javascript
  99. # [00:18] <thatryan> and chipotle for javascript, go here. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript
  100. # [00:18] <Isowerk> thanks :)
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  102. # [00:19] <chipotle> where is javascript used, when not using a library like jquery or dojo?
  103. # [00:19] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: imagine jumping into something like CakePHP cold without learning core PHP principles and quirks, that's a decent analogy
  104. # [00:19] <Isowerk> There is only one and I repeat, only one book you must read. "Javascript The Definitive Guide" by David Flanagan. Published by O'Reilly and also know as 'Rhino'
  105. # [00:20] <Isowerk> 99% of the other Javascript book will teach you bad practices
  106. # [00:20] * tw2113 thinks chipotle has a healthy helping with learning the fundamentals of html/css at the moment
  107. # [00:20] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: you can have a website completely devoid of javascript (and you should actually make sure your site works with it disabled)
  108. # [00:20] <thatryan> lol tw2113 ++
  109. # [00:21] <Isowerk> chipotle: Javascript is the foundation on which the future of the web will be built.
  110. # [00:21] <Pewpewarrows> but in a very general sense, browser-based Javascript is about finding elements of your page and manipulating them
  111. # [00:21] <Isowerk> slowly but surely, prototype based languages (in this case ECMA) are taking over the world.
  112. # [00:22] <Isowerk> HTML and CSS are only your container to tell data how to look
  113. # [00:22] <chipotle> Isowerk: this one? it is from 2001... http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Definitive-Guide-David-Flanagan/dp/0596000480
  114. # [00:22] <Isowerk> You want the fifth edition
  115. # [00:23] <Isowerk> It has a fantastic chapter about classes, inheritance etc.
  116. # [00:23] <Isowerk> 4th edition is outdated
  117. # [00:23] <paul_irish> chipotle: starting out.. jquery is a good place to get started
  118. # [00:24] <paul_irish> but you want to learn javascript along with jquery
  119. # [00:24] <Isowerk> Building anything else than 'find this and replace it with that/make it snazzy' will end up in a huge mess. To understand jQuery you must know closures and 'namespaces'.
  120. # [00:25] <Isowerk> you will save yourself a lot of tears if you just invest 3 days reading the first section of the book.
  121. # [00:27] <chipotle> Isowerk: i think i may have that book as a pdf
  122. # [00:27] <chromedFiz> to bad googles books doesnt have that book yet :/
  123. # [00:27] <chipotle> so, can i reasonably expect to be able to take a PSD and turn into a drupal theme after a month of studying html/css/js?
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  125. # [00:27] <Isowerk> chipotle: I can only recommend to read it. It's very well written and doesn't require you to do endless exercises.
  126. # [00:28] <Isowerk> The first section is the most important one.
  127. # [00:28] <tw2113> let the guy get html/css first, before diving him into javascript :P
  128. # [00:28] <Isowerk> After one third of the book you are ready for jQuery.
  129. # [00:28] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: I'd think so, the hard part for me right now is actually the drupal side of things (I hate their theme development)
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  133. # [00:28] <Pewpewarrows> but if you understand that already, then you should be able to do simple-medium cutups of PSDs in the nearish future
  134. # [00:29] <Isowerk> Suddenly all this (){(){})}; will make sense :)
  135. # [00:30] <Pewpewarrows> Isowerk: although I know that's harmless, it looks so similar to the bash fork bomb that it still causes me to shudder :P
  136. # [00:31] <Isowerk> lol
  137. # [00:31] <Isowerk> press ctrl+alt+delete+enter to bookmark this page :)
  138. # [00:33] <tw2113> i'd take a shirt like this....if it wasn't $20 and from cafepress http://www.cafepress.com/espressive.503299980
  139. # [00:34] <tw2113> extra fail! the photo of it with the model...has just a white teeshirt, not the stuff on the available shirt
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  141. # [00:35] <Isowerk> here is a cheaper shirt: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DESIGN-YOUR-OWN-T-SHIRT-ANY-SIZE-S-XXL-USE-PHOTO'S-TEXT_W0QQitemZ180400739375QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=202313276802&rvr_id=202313276802&cguid=862362eb12d0a0e202c14e41ffdc52d0
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  144. # [00:42] <chipotle> thanks :)
  145. # [00:42] <chipotle> how difficult is wordpress themeing compared to drupal?
  146. # [00:42] <Pewpewarrows> I find it a bit easier
  147. # [00:42] <tw2113> probably not very
  148. # [00:42] <Pewpewarrows> but I hate most CMS theme engines
  149. # [00:42] <Pewpewarrows> so I'm biased
  150. # [00:43] <chipotle> Pewpewarrows: what do you design in? frameworks?
  151. # [00:43] <tw2113> just a matter of knowing what php functions to call in what areas for certain stuff
  152. # [00:43] <tw2113> most of it is pretty straightforward though
  153. # [00:43] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: I use Python's Django framework
  154. # [00:43] <chipotle> ah
  155. # [00:44] <chipotle> Pewpewarrows: can i see some of your examples of sites you've done?
  156. # [00:44] <Pewpewarrows> it's not a full-fledged CMS though
  157. # [00:44] <Pewpewarrows> my personal site's almost done, I'll just send you that when it's live
  158. # [00:44] <Pewpewarrows> w/ portfolio etc
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  160. # [00:45] <Pewpewarrows> I'm assuming you'll be lounging around in this channel
  161. # [00:45] <chipotle> yeah, i've been here for a few months :)
  162. # [00:45] <tw2113> we're worth returning to
  163. # [00:45] <chipotle> i know... i have worked with pylons a bit
  164. # [00:45] <Pewpewarrows> pylons is nice, and pyramid (its successor) is really shaping up nicely
  165. # [00:46] <chipotle> what is a typical charge to do freelance work for a US-based client for designing a new website (the frontend stuff)? both for the graphic designer and html/css/js guy
  166. # [00:46] <chipotle> i'm located in boston, if that matters
  167. # [00:46] <chipotle> Pewpewarrows: i worked with pylons rather than django because of its mature authentication system
  168. # [00:46] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: gotcha! and freelance prices range wildly
  169. # [00:46] <tw2113> i know any freelance i've done in the past, has been done too inexpensively
  170. # [00:47] <chipotle> my job that i resigned from paid $25/hr, but it wasn't really a contract job... i know we hired a freelancer to design the theme for about 4800 USD (at 100/hr)
  171. # [00:47] <Pewpewarrows> you have amatures charging $20/hour, and professional firms doing $300+
  172. # [00:47] <tw2113> the higher chargers, i assume are well worth the rate they get
  173. # [00:48] <chipotle> hopefully
  174. # [00:48] <chipotle> i've run into some *really* bad freelancers
  175. # [00:48] <Pewpewarrows> yeah, you usually have to earn the right to charge that much, even if you know your shit
  176. # [00:48] <chipotle> are there any good docs to read for people starting out in freelance, so they can learn how to write pitches and work with clients well?
  177. # [00:48] <Pewpewarrows> references, portfolio, etc
  178. # [00:49] <tw2113> freelanceswitch.com ?
  179. # [00:49] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: there's some good stuff posted on smashingmagazine's site
  180. # [00:52] <thatryan> tw2113: you use textmate?
  181. # [00:52] <tw2113> at work when on a mac
  182. # [00:52] <tw2113> at home i'm on fedora linux, so gedit
  183. # [00:52] <thatryan> cool then be friends with my new site :p http://textmateuser.com/
  184. # [00:52] <thatryan> lol wanted something fun to do
  185. # [00:53] <tw2113> added to evernote
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  190. # [00:58] <Pewpewarrows> food comas are the best
  191. # [00:59] <tw2113> you're able to walk antonkovalyov ?
  192. # [00:59] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, ya :-) actually the weather is so nice i walked around berkeley for like 20 minutes after the lunch
  193. # [01:00] <tw2113> nice
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  199. # [01:06] <cgcardona> ewww
  200. # [01:07] <antonkovalyov> wtf gusy
  201. # [01:07] <antonkovalyov> guys*
  202. # [01:07] <tw2113> cgcardona did a lot of hiking
  203. # [01:07] <tw2113> just helping out
  204. # [01:07] <cgcardona> my feet are bloody nubs
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  209. # [01:10] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, yt?
  210. # [01:10] <tw2113> here you go cgcardona you'll like this http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/one.html
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  215. # [01:13] <chromedFiz> i think rythmbox is trying to tell me to watch starwars it keeps playing the starwars ost and its on random and i have over 13k tracks loaded
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  219. # [01:21] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov:
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  222. # [01:23] <thatryan> paul_irish:
  223. # [01:25] <chromedFiz> chromedFiz:
  224. # [01:27] <thatryan> win
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  226. # [01:36] <thatryan> paul_irish: 4 DAYS!
  227. # [01:36] <thatryan> done yet? :D
  228. # [01:37] <chromedFiz> 4 days?
  229. # [01:37] <thatryan> talk on thursday
  230. # [01:38] <paul_irish> oh thx for the reminder.
  231. # [01:38] <thatryan> :;)
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  265. # [03:25] <paul_irish> jacine: aroundddddddd ? :)
  266. # [03:25] <jacine> paul_irish: hey :D
  267. # [03:25] <paul_irish> nevermind! found it. :)
  268. # [03:25] <jacine> haha :) ok.
  269. # [03:27] <chromedFiz> paul_irish: you ever use coda?
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  273. # [03:34] <tw2113> *runs away from jacine *
  274. # [03:35] <jacine> tw2113: don't run ;)
  275. # [03:35] <tw2113> but you're a girl!
  276. # [03:35] <thatryan> tw2113: run away!
  277. # [03:35] <jacine> hehe :)
  278. # [03:35] * tw2113 hides behind his cootie shield know as thatryan
  279. # [03:38] <thatryan> dude im not a shield!!!!
  280. # [03:39] <tw2113> pffft
  281. # [03:39] <tw2113> you look like one
  282. # [03:39] <tw2113> you have this handle that looks like an arm
  283. # [03:42] <tw2113> jk you two.... jacine doesn't have cooties
  284. # [03:42] <tw2113> thatryan does though! *hides behind jacine*
  285. # [03:42] <jacine> LOL
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  287. # [03:42] <jacine> you guys are too much :)
  288. # [03:45] <tw2113> ha, i forgot to bookmark my about.me site
  289. # [03:45] <tw2113> not that i'm all that worried about it, now that i have michaelbeckwith.me
  290. # [03:45] <tw2113> mmmmmmm domain control
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  292. # [03:47] <thatryan> dinner time yay
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  294. # [03:48] <chromedFiz> it aggrevates me that coda and textmate dont support tab indenting multiple selected lines
  295. # [03:50] * svenlito is now known as svenlito_
  296. # [03:51] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: I find it hard to believe that an editor wouldn't support that
  297. # [03:51] <chromedFiz> me too
  298. # [03:51] <chromedFiz> you select multiple lines in coda or textmate and hit tab it erases the lines
  299. # [03:51] <jacine> in textmate its: command + ]
  300. # [03:51] <jacine> or [
  301. # [03:51] <chromedFiz> its like back to notepad
  302. # [03:51] <chromedFiz> ah
  303. # [03:51] <chromedFiz> well way to switch things up textmate
  304. # [03:52] <jacine> not sure about Coda.
  305. # [03:52] <chromedFiz> ill try that technique in coda
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  307. # [03:52] <chromedFiz> yup its that in coda
  308. # [03:52] <jacine> :)
  309. # [03:52] <chromedFiz> command + ] or [
  310. # [03:52] <chromedFiz> thanks
  311. # [03:52] <jacine> np
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  313. # [03:53] <chromedFiz> gonna take some adjusting i hate when editors switch things up
  314. # [03:54] <chromedFiz> wonder if coda supports html5 huhu
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  320. # [04:09] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: \/
  321. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, V?
  322. # [04:09] <snover> antonkovalyov: you should really consider using something other than 2011-01 as the base for jshint; crock nuked a ton of stuff
  323. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> the fuck is that?
  324. # [04:09] <snover> IT’S A DOWN ARROW
  325. # [04:09] <snover> WOOOO
  326. # [04:09] <snover> ASSCII
  327. # [04:10] <paul_irish> ^
  328. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> ah
  329. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> snover, i use the latest
  330. # [04:10] <nimbupani> paul_irish: push ur commits
  331. # [04:10] <snover> antonkovalyov: he got rid of eqeqeq and now whenever you do for(var …) it won’t even continue past that point
  332. # [04:10] <snover> like, it’s not just a warning that you have to fix, it’s an error, and it orders you to put all your vars at the top of the function and quits
  333. # [04:11] <paul_irish> pshd nimbu
  334. # [04:11] <antonkovalyov> https://github.com/jshint/jshint/commit/bab306261a415ca0e88a913944ec0583900b82e1
  335. # [04:11] <antonkovalyov> snover, really? god damn he is insane
  336. # [04:11] <antonkovalyov> gonna write a test for that real quick
  337. # [04:12] <snover> antonkovalyov: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/blob/master/jshint.js#L4167
  338. # [04:12] <nimbupani> thx paul
  339. # [04:12] <antonkovalyov> CROCKFORD Y U INSANE!
  340. # [04:12] <snover> he didn’t mention it in the edition notes
  341. # [04:13] <snover> I tried to fix it but didn’t feel like spending a lot of time, got a little confused about why advance() wasn’t doing what I expected, went back to before 2011 and felt a lot better.
  342. # [04:13] <snover> it’s a pretty huge change too
  343. # [04:14] <snover> there used to be some function like vardeclare or something
  344. # [04:14] <snover> he got rid of that
  345. # [04:14] <antonkovalyov> i think he changed how he processes a tree or something
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  347. # [04:16] <antonkovalyov> shiiit
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  349. # [04:16] <antonkovalyov> gonna try something real quick and if it won't work
  350. # [04:16] <antonkovalyov> will revert to the pre-2011 version
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  354. # [04:24] <antonkovalyov> be back in an hour
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  356. # [04:31] <chromedFiz> im counting down
  357. # [04:35] <shichuan> counting down to what?
  358. # [04:35] <chromedFiz> he said he would be back in an hour
  359. # [04:35] <chromedFiz> just before your joined lol
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  361. # [04:36] <shichuan> orh, i dont know who 'he' is, but i got it
  362. # [04:38] <chromedFiz> antonkovalyov
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  364. # [04:45] <tw2113> look out! http://twitpic.com/3sw00o
  365. # [04:46] <chromedFiz> awww you look so cute in that little boys arms
  366. # [04:46] <tw2113> i know
  367. # [04:55] <serio_> you know what chrome needs? a way to show line numbers...
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  369. # [04:58] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: would anything in boilerplate's .htaccess prevent this rewrite from working?... RewriteRule ^/sitemap\.xml$ /sitemap.php [NC]
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  372. # [05:10] <paul_irish> no
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  374. # [05:12] <serio_> heh, now that's a straight answer.
  375. # [05:13] <serio_> n... o... mofo
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  377. # [05:27] <NiftyLettuce> where the heck is php on linode
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  379. # [05:28] <NiftyLettuce> oh dang wrong channel
  380. # [05:28] <NiftyLettuce> ^.^
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  383. # [05:35] <serio_> ^.^
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  386. # [05:35] <serio_> NiftyLettuce :)
  387. # [05:35] <serio_> woops!
  388. # [05:35] <NiftyLettuce> serio_: ?..
  389. # [05:35] <serio_> I messed up my copy/paste
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  395. # [06:28] <antonkovalyov> snover, reverted to the 2010-12-16 and re-applied my changes
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  405. # [06:46] <thatryan> anyone working on anything fun?
  406. # [06:47] <antonkovalyov> jshint
  407. # [06:47] <thatryan> hows that going
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  411. # [06:49] <antonkovalyov> it's going
  412. # [06:53] <Neiluj_> working on boring things, sorry...
  413. # [06:53] <paul_irish> thatryan: hows your ruby
  414. # [06:53] <antonkovalyov> oh god ruby
  415. # [06:54] <thatryan> paul_irish: wish i could say it was awesome...
  416. # [06:54] <chromedFiz> ruby is for jewelery only :P
  417. # [06:54] <thatryan> lol but alas, it is not
  418. # [06:55] <thatryan> paul_irish: what are you building?
  419. # [06:55] <paul_irish> thatryan: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/25
  420. # [06:57] <thatryan> paul_irish: oh nice.. damn wish I had any idea how to help lol
  421. # [06:58] <antonkovalyov> should be failry easy
  422. # [06:58] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell felcom hey man did you get somewhere with that chrome extension? just curious.. ^_^
  423. # [06:58] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
  424. # [06:58] <paul_irish> thatryan: it doesnt look that bad. i dont know ruby but its basically hacking the fuck out of schacon's ruby
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  426. # [07:02] <shichuan> i have been trying to use pcapperf with efws for an upcoming mobile project
  427. # [07:03] <thatryan> paul_irish: I started coding in C++, before i fell in love with web. so im sure I could figure something out :)
  428. # [07:03] <paul_irish> give it a try dude.
  429. # [07:03] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: that'd be a sexy util to have
  430. # [07:04] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: that's what i;m sayin
  431. # [07:04] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: how you feelin about guillotine
  432. # [07:05] <Pewpewarrows> still need to fix the encoding issues, and I want it to show side by side diffs w/ line nos eventually
  433. # [07:05] <Pewpewarrows> but not bad for an afternoon on my first chrome extension ^^
  434. # [07:05] <thatryan> paul_irish: will do, ill check it out shortly, updating my textmate site :)
  435. # [07:11] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: agreed!
  436. # [07:11] * antonkovalyov just realized that he missed no doubt show in mountain view in '09. fuuuuuuuuu
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  450. # [07:33] <chromedFiz> vkhvbln;mlnlvbj .m,m.kl;l'
  451. # [07:35] <paul_irish> chromedFiz: ?
  452. # [07:35] <chromedFiz> cat thought the keyboard was a good place to lay lol
  453. # [07:36] <chromedFiz> i didnt notice he actually typed something
  454. # [07:36] <paul_irish> sure sure
  455. # [07:36] <Neiluj_> chromedFiz: do you have a laptop ?
  456. # [07:37] <chromedFiz> netbook
  457. # [07:37] <Neiluj_> cats love to sit on the keyboard because it's warm ;)
  458. # [07:37] <chromedFiz> one of the google cr48 pilots the keys get pretty warm and he loves it lol
  459. # [07:38] <chromedFiz> he sleeps behind it most of the time
  460. # [07:38] <Neiluj_> damn I didn't see how much the cr48 looks like a macbook o_O
  461. # [07:38] <chromedFiz> its very sexy
  462. # [07:39] <chromedFiz> its like jet black and plain
  463. # [07:39] <Neiluj_> I mean when the macbook was black, I sold the one I had
  464. # [07:40] <chromedFiz> it could use some more power but for free im not complaining :P
  465. # [07:41] <Neiluj_> I'm surprised Jobs didn't have a heart attack when looking at it O_o
  466. # [07:41] <Neiluj_> it is so close...
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  468. # [07:42] <Neiluj_> especially the keyboard, damn...
  469. # [07:43] <chromedFiz> i like the keyboard
  470. # [07:43] <chromedFiz> i miss my delete key but its pretty cool the replacements
  471. # [07:43] <Neiluj_> hehe I like it to ;) I mean I like my apple's BT one :D
  472. # [07:45] <Neiluj_> 12" is a cool screen size, I remember when I had this iBook, it didn't have the same resolution but it was big enough
  473. # [07:45] <chromedFiz> yeah this screen is niiiice
  474. # [07:46] <chromedFiz> i think my only struggle is ive always been a desktop person
  475. # [07:46] <chromedFiz> so ive always had plenty of power
  476. # [07:47] <chromedFiz> so using this thing is a sturggle
  477. # [07:47] <chromedFiz> but its forcing me to think differently and work differently
  478. # [07:47] <chromedFiz> web app only is a hard path to take
  479. # [07:48] <Neiluj_> mmh I understand
  480. # [07:49] <chromedFiz> but it is the future and i wanna be someone who builds it not is just trying to keep up hehe
  481. # [07:51] <Neiluj_> you know, something I dislike with web app it's they're running into "the" browser
  482. # [07:51] <Neiluj_> do you know "fluid" ?
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  484. # [07:51] <Neiluj_> it's a SSB, site specific browser, http://fluidapp.com/
  485. # [07:51] <Neiluj_> it can turn any website or webapp into a stand-alone desktop app
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  487. # [07:52] <chromedFiz> ive played with fluid before
  488. # [07:52] <Neiluj_> it's really nice
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  490. # [07:56] <thatryan> paul_irish: you in the hizzle?
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  492. # [07:59] <paul_irish> here
  493. # [08:01] <thatryan> you use textmate right?
  494. # [08:02] <chromedFiz> gnight cruel world...
  495. # [08:03] <thatryan> night yo
  496. # [08:03] <shichuan> i hope there is a textmate for windows
  497. # [08:03] <thatryan> you mean eventually?
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  499. # [08:05] <Neiluj_> "TextMate remains exclusive for the Mac, and that is how we like it"
  500. # [08:05] <thatryan> word :)
  501. # [08:06] <shichuan> arh i see, means no equivalent for windows
  502. # [08:06] <thatryan> nah not really
  503. # [08:06] <thatryan> but its worth switching to mac for :D
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  505. # [08:06] <shichuan> windows 7 is not that bad
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  507. # [08:07] <thatryan> well if any of you use textmate, check out my new site i made for it. should be fun :) http://textmateuser.com/
  508. # [08:11] <NiftyLettuce> ewww textmate
  509. # [08:11] <NiftyLettuce> linux ftw
  510. # [08:11] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: im excited to see what happens to H264
  511. # [08:13] <thatryan> :(
  512. # [08:13] <Neiluj_> thatryan: cant help you, coda ftw :D
  513. # [08:14] <thatryan> lol
  514. # [08:14] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: gedit ftw
  515. # [08:14] <thatryan> BOOOOO
  516. # [08:14] <thatryan> TM4LIFE :p
  517. # [08:14] <NiftyLettuce> mac too expensive
  518. # [08:14] <Neiluj_> linux to ugly
  519. # [08:15] <Neiluj_> too*
  520. # [08:15] <NiftyLettuce> i could build a mac for 1/2 price and put h@cl<int0sh on it
  521. # [08:15] <NiftyLettuce> Neiluj_: http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23
  522. # [08:15] <thatryan> ok so i am the only one who uses tm? weirdddddd
  523. # [08:15] <Neiluj_> thatryan: you're far from alone ;)
  524. # [08:16] <Neiluj_> paul_irish and a bunch of others are afaik
  525. # [08:16] <thatryan> ?fpi
  526. # [08:16] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
  527. # [08:16] <thatryan> lol yay bot
  528. # [08:18] <Neiluj_> NiftyLettuce: would you make your own jam each time you want to eat some ?
  529. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> Neiluj_: ...
  530. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> chao guys im out
  531. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> \o
  532. # [08:19] <Neiluj_> o/
  533. # [08:19] <Neiluj_> ;)
  534. # [08:19] <thatryan> peace
  535. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> Neiluj_: ;)
  536. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> thatryan: l8r
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  540. # [08:19] <NiftyLettuce> oh forgot...
  541. # [08:20] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: hot pink over and out~
  542. # [08:20] <shichuan> Steve Jobs said a lot of wrong things about Flash
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  544. # [08:20] <Neiluj_> shichuan: what? that's impossible ! :D
  545. # [08:20] <shichuan> ActionScript can be compiled using free SDK, and it's ECMAScript
  546. # [08:21] <shichuan> i am not sure how you define open source
  547. # [08:21] <Neiluj_> Flash is not only ActionScript
  548. # [08:21] <shichuan> but anyone can use it without paying for the IDE
  549. # [08:21] <shichuan> i know
  550. # [08:21] <shichuan> but why apple bans swf?
  551. # [08:21] <shichuan> why cant run flash movie?
  552. # [08:21] <Neiluj_> here we go again :)
  553. # [08:22] <shichuan> u can compile a flash movie using the free sdk
  554. # [08:22] <Neiluj_> it costs too much on battery life
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  556. # [08:22] <shichuan> so i think there is nothing wrong with chrome,ff chosen flash over h264
  557. # [08:23] <Neiluj_> why compile a flash movie ? o_O that's weird
  558. # [08:23] <Neiluj_> chrome & ff chose theora & webm, not flash
  559. # [08:24] <Neiluj_> and flash can play h264 btw...
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  561. # [08:27] <Neiluj_> shichuan: if you look closely, there's nothing flash can do html5 can't when it comes to mobile uses
  562. # [08:28] <shichuan> sry i am a bit confused with the recent news. i normally use the new flash video f4v for dynamic streaming, i know it's in h264
  563. # [08:28] <Neiluj_> "maybe" on desktop, but the main advantage of flash is not what it can do, it's its IDE
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  565. # [08:29] <shichuan> did google announce something like they wont support h264 in chrome anymore?
  566. # [08:29] <Neiluj_> h264 via html5's <video>, yes, but it will still work with flash
  567. # [08:30] <shichuan> arh, now it's all clear
  568. # [08:30] <Neiluj_> ;)
  569. # [08:30] <shichuan> thanks :)
  570. # [08:30] <shichuan> that's strange, why chrome is fine with h264 in flash, but not in html5?
  571. # [08:31] <Neiluj_> what is the container ?
  572. # [08:31] <Neiluj_> mp4 ?
  573. # [08:31] <shichuan> yea, f4v is mp4
  574. # [08:31] <Neiluj_> ops, misread
  575. # [08:32] <Neiluj_> why chrome is fine with h264 in flash -> chrome doesnt care about what flash does
  576. # [08:33] <Neiluj_> chrome doesn't support h264, flash is a plugin who does but believe me, h264 is not more fluid outside of flash...
  577. # [08:33] <Neiluj_> sirry
  578. # [08:33] <Neiluj_> is more fluid
  579. # [08:34] <shichuan> one reason i use h264 with flash is that the client wants to secure the content
  580. # [08:34] <shichuan> i am not sure if u know flash media server
  581. # [08:35] <shichuan> basically it secures the content so people can't donwload the video
  582. # [08:35] <Neiluj_> btw, f4v is not exactly the same as mp4 afaik, f4v uses mp3 when mp4 uses AAC, but I'm not sure
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  584. # [08:36] <Neiluj_> well, I'm not expert but imo, h264 or not, security is a server-side matter
  585. # [08:37] <Neiluj_> I don't really see why it involves the codec
  586. # [08:38] <Neiluj_> even if it turns inside flash, I'm pretty sure I can identify what is downloaded by my browser, so I can download the source
  587. # [08:39] <Neiluj_> if it *runs* ..
  588. # [08:41] <shichuan> for savvy users, i am sure there is a way, but for normal user, may not be easy to download.
  589. # [08:41] <shichuan> actually i am thinking to use flash as a component for a website is ok
  590. # [08:41] <Neiluj_> sure
  591. # [08:42] <shichuan> as long as dont use it to build the entire site
  592. # [08:42] <shichuan> which is really really slow
  593. # [08:42] <Neiluj_> and not really really useful :)
  594. # [08:42] <shichuan> yea :)
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  610. # [09:40] <grantg> WTF? I'm here thru mobile safari?
  611. # [09:40] <grantg> I don't even...
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  628. # [10:09] <pluma> What does #html5 think about the ongoing W3C/WHATWG "HTML5" brand drama and all the "HTML5 != CSS3" (and such) activism?
  629. # [10:11] <pluma> Personally, I couldn't care less. WHAT WG officially abandoned the term, so it's perfectly legitimate for W3C to use it as a standards buzzword for the full stack. Those who can't tell the difference don't care about it either, but it makes me smile when clients demand their new website is to use HTML5.
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  638. # [10:37] <mike5w3c> http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/LCA_MM_AVProc2011/#slide1
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  640. # [10:37] <mike5w3c> good presentation
  641. # [10:37] <mike5w3c> this too:
  642. # [10:37] <mike5w3c> http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/LCA_MM_VA11Y2011/#slide1
  643. # [10:38] <mike5w3c> hmm, that's pretty short
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  682. # [12:59] <hangfromthefloor> How can I rotate text in HTML canvas "in-place"?
  683. # [12:59] <hangfromthefloor> Or, what series of context.rotate() and context.translate() calls will do it?
  684. # [13:00] <hangfromthefloor> I'm trying to draw text at e.g. the point (x,y) rotated by θ°
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  698. # [14:24] <Drule> http://astrojone.net/
  699. # [14:25] <Drule> I used a HTML contact form by html5doctor, but for some reason the objects keep lining up as if they were floated.
  700. # [14:25] <Drule> Anyone see anything wrong in the HTML or CSS?
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  706. # [14:46] <jetienne> what is the status of websocket ? are they fixed ? a security issue was causing trouble not so long ago
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  713. # [15:03] <seekshiva> anyone there?
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  715. # [15:15] <seekshiva> anyone there?
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  723. # [15:31] <miketaylr> later
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  743. # [16:15] <teedeeoh> is localStorage persistant across sessions?
  744. # [16:15] <teedeeoh> if I was to store something in localstorage, would it remain when the browser is restarted?
  745. # [16:16] <plh_> yep
  746. # [16:16] <teedeeoh> plh: thanks.
  747. # [16:17] <shichuan> tat's why there is a session storage and local storage
  748. # [16:22] <Michael> why is that?
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  751. # [16:24] <shichuan> why is what? why there is a session storage and local storage? cos ses­sion stor­age stores data for only one session, and local stor­age has no time limit.
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  753. # [16:25] <Michael> shichuan, thanks, public log++
  754. # [16:26] <shichuan> :)
  755. # [16:27] <Michael> Does anyone use "use strict" in their JS?
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  758. # [16:33] <shichuan> i thought you can only use it on a few browsers??
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  760. # [16:37] <Michael> yeah
  761. # [16:37] <Michael> not sure which
  762. # [16:37] <miketaylr> in theory it's backwards compatible
  763. # [16:37] <Michael> Supposed to be a NOP I believe
  764. # [16:37] <Michael> In unsupported browsers
  765. # [16:38] <miketaylr> right, eich talked about why it's not a great idea
  766. # [16:38] <miketaylr> one sec
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  768. # [16:38] <shichuan> http://kangax.github.com/es5-compat-table/
  769. # [16:38] <Michael> I suppose because if you're testing in a browser that doesn't support it then you could potentially break everything when you finally do
  770. # [16:38] <Michael> thanks
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  772. # [16:39] <Michael> Hmm not supported in chrome
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  774. # [16:39] <miketaylr> blargh, http://www.aminutewithbrendan.com/ is down
  775. # [16:39] <shichuan> no, only in ff and webkit
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  777. # [16:39] <Michael> yeah intersting
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  782. # [16:45] <shichuan> paul_irish, is chrome going to support 'use strict'?
  783. # [16:45] <paul_irish> at some point yes.
  784. # [16:46] <Michael> Hmm canary does not
  785. # [16:47] <Michael> I'm bored. Maybe I'll take some blender courses on lynda.com
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  803. # [17:21] <felcom> So say I want to learn how to set up my own web server, anyone have helpful links?
  804. # [17:21] <bot-t> (10 hours 20 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell felcom hey man did you get somewhere with that chrome extension? just curious.. ^_^
  805. # [17:23] <Evet> felcom: libevent has http module
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  811. # [17:39] <jetienne> what is the status of websocket ? are they fixed ? a security issue was causing trouble not so long ago
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  813. # [17:43] <miketaylr> jetienne: they're working on it, Opera and FF4b disabled them, Chrome will upgrade...IE has a plugin
  814. # [17:44] <jetienne> miketaylr: ok thanks
  815. # [17:45] <miketaylr> but Opera and FF can turn them on as well
  816. # [17:45] <miketaylr> via a user pref
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  818. # [17:45] <kvnn> Can anyone help me with this error when trying to set currentTime on a <video> in chrome? INDEX_SIZE_ERR: DOM Exception 1
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  828. # [17:51] <miketaylr> kvnn: is it a negative number?
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  837. # [17:54] <codepo8> God colloquy needs a "don
  838. # [17:54] <codepo8> 't play any friggin sounds button"
  839. # [17:55] <nimbupani> you can use adium codepo8
  840. # [17:55] <JKarsrud> codepo8: yeah, adium kicks colloquy's ass imo
  841. # [17:56] <tw2113> adium is what i use on occasion when i need any IM besides skype
  842. # [17:56] <tw2113> at least on the work computer
  843. # [18:00] <danielfilho> I use colloquy, don't like adium for irc.
  844. # [18:00] <danielfilho> but mine don't make any sound
  845. # [18:00] <tw2113> for irc, i use xchat aqua
  846. # [18:00] <tw2113> ahh my theme song..."I'm Going Slightly Mad" by QUeen
  847. # [18:01] <JKarsrud> danielfilho: why not adium for IRC?
  848. # [18:01] <JKarsrud> too IM'y for you?
  849. # [18:01] <danielfilho> JKarsrud: maybe that. I just use colloquy for a long time.
  850. # [18:02] <danielfilho> but today I'm without headphones. left them on my backpack from campus party.
  851. # [18:02] <Michael> Whate would you do if you found a resume` in a stack that was a slightly longer piece of paper?
  852. # [18:02] <Michael> obviously making it stand out literally
  853. # [18:02] <miketaylr> BURN IT WITH FIRE
  854. # [18:02] <Michael> Would you give kudos to the person who did that, or?
  855. # [18:02] <Michael> seriously.
  856. # [18:02] <danielfilho> BURN IT WITH FIRE [2]
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  858. # [18:02] <Michael> Not gonna burn stuff in the office.
  859. # [18:02] <Michael> okay n/m
  860. # [18:02] <miketaylr> heh, jk Michael
  861. # [18:02] <Michael> I know :P
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  863. # [18:03] <miketaylr> someone did that?
  864. # [18:03] <miketaylr> interesting...
  865. # [18:03] <Michael> No but I suggested it to my wife lol
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  867. # [18:03] <miketaylr> heh, i'd catch my attention for sure
  868. # [18:03] <cheilmann> oh cool
  869. # [18:03] <Michael> but I thought I'd get some feedback
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  872. # [18:03] <codepo8> vid.ly is still converting
  873. # [18:03] <danielfilho> Michael: put it on the water. Then make a ball and throw on the ceiling
  874. # [18:04] <Michael> true.
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  876. # [18:05] <Evet> so which audio format is suitable for both flash and <audio> tag?
  877. # [18:05] <Michael> Depends
  878. # [18:06] <Michael> FF expects ogg I believe
  879. # [18:06] <JKarsrud> WAV!
  880. # [18:06] <Michael> And webkit uses mp3
  881. # [18:06] <codepo8> eeek
  882. # [18:06] <JKarsrud> hah
  883. # [18:06] <codepo8> JKarsrud: sadly you are right
  884. # [18:06] <codepo8> :)
  885. # [18:06] <Michael> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/quick-tip-the-html-5-audio-element/
  886. # [18:06] <codepo8> OGG and MP3 should work in all
  887. # [18:06] <chromedFiz> yes both should work
  888. # [18:06] <Michael> Yeah it's not like a huge workaround
  889. # [18:06] <kvnn> miketaylr : No, I'm using for instance '20.0' as a test
  890. # [18:06] <Michael> codepo8, You mean the combination should cover all browsers?
  891. # [18:07] <miketaylr> kvnn: odd, does 20 throw?
  892. # [18:07] <codepo8> Evet: if you upload your audio to archive.org they convert them automatically.
  893. # [18:07] <kvnn> miketaylr : yes
  894. # [18:07] <Evet> codepo8: i dont
  895. # [18:07] <miketaylr> funky
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  897. # [18:07] <kvnn> miketaylr : I can even get 'currentTime' from the video, which will show something like 5.32456, and put it back into currentTime, and it throws the error
  898. # [18:07] <kvnn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3165444/html5-video-chrome-error-settings-currenttime
  899. # [18:08] <codepo8> Evet - then get audacity (freeware, across platforms) - converts to whatever you need
  900. # [18:08] <kvnn> see that ^^ . sibvic's solution does not work, btw.
  901. # [18:08] <Michael> That's a paul_irish easter egg
  902. # [18:08] <Evet> codepo8: in fact, i will generate audio file on fly
  903. # [18:08] <miketaylr> kvnn: yeah, maybe paul_irish will have an idea...or know of an existing bug
  904. # [18:09] <chromedFiz> jplayer is what i use to automticly detect if flash or <audio> can be used it works well for mp3's
  905. # [18:09] <miketaylr> might search crbug.com first
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  907. # [18:09] <codepo8> I don't get the 8 bit avatar stuff - I remember when chats looked like that
  908. # [18:09] <Michael> Remember Comic Chat?
  909. # [18:09] <codepo8> yeah
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  911. # [18:09] <_3Vince_> now I'm trying to forget it again :(
  912. # [18:09] <Michael> lol
  913. # [18:10] <Evet> chromedFiz: excellent!
  914. # [18:10] <appears> I remember kicking people from #html on ircnet for using it
  915. # [18:10] <appears> :)
  916. # [18:10] <Michael> Is BitchX still around?
  917. # [18:10] <Michael> lol yeah it put all those weird chars
  918. # [18:10] <_3Vince_> I think BitchX is still around
  919. # [18:10] <chromedFiz> it is
  920. # [18:10] <_3Vince_> hell, I used ircii a few weeks back :P
  921. # [18:10] <appears> I told you not to call Paul that in public
  922. # [18:10] <chromedFiz> but its massively overshadowed by irssi :P
  923. # [18:10] <danielfilho> out for lunch, be back later :D
  924. # [18:11] <Michael> yeah that's what I figured
  925. # [18:11] <Michael> BitchX2 is the current project. While there is no current release to the public
  926. # [18:11] <Michael> on the new code base, the project is leaning towards merging back
  927. # [18:11] <Michael> to the current base version of Epic
  928. # [18:11] <Michael> Hmm so maybe it will be gone soon
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  931. # [18:12] <Evet> chromedFiz: it detects browser automatically, right?
  932. # [18:12] <chromedFiz> it detects capibility
  933. # [18:12] <chromedFiz> it it can use <audio> it will otherwise it uses a built in flash player it comes with
  934. # [18:13] <chromedFiz> it checks
  935. # [18:13] <Evet> i really like this kind of stuff
  936. # [18:13] <Evet> try html5, fallback flash
  937. # [18:13] <chromedFiz> yeah
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  945. # [18:17] <Evet> socket.io, jplayer
  946. # [18:17] <Evet> what else i can add to this list?
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  948. # [18:18] <kvnn> how do I set an html <video> as seekable? I see http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/video.html#dom-media-seekable, but without an example I don't understand what a TimeRanges object is.
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  950. # [18:19] <kvnn> I think thats my issue in chrome. The default seekbar (controls) does not allow me to seek to different parts of the video.
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  958. # [18:25] <kvnn> miketaylr : Aha. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4538810/html5-video-element-non-seekable-when-using-django-development-server
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  961. # [18:25] <miketaylr> hmm interesting
  962. # [18:25] <miketaylr> you using django?
  963. # [18:25] <kvnn> yes
  964. # [18:25] <kvnn> its not an html5 or chrome issue at all, if this is true
  965. # [18:25] <miketaylr> good find
  966. # [18:26] <miketaylr> yes, appears to be a server issue
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  968. # [18:32] <Pewpewarrows> I never trust the dev server
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  972. # [18:34] <Michael> interesting
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  976. # [18:47] <Michael> So here's a scenario
  977. # [18:47] <Michael> You are using JS + static images to emulate a rotating 3D model
  978. # [18:47] <Michael> Is there a method that does not require you to have the background image as part each of the static images?
  979. # [18:48] <Michael> Like instead of using absolute positioning and including the background image, is there some trick to avoid that?
  980. # [18:48] <Michael> Cause that makes the sprite so much bigger
  981. # [18:49] <Michael> without a solid background I don't see a solution, but figured I would ask
  982. # [18:50] <appears> webGL?
  983. # [18:50] <appears> :)
  984. # [18:50] * appears is now known as codepo8
  985. # [18:50] <Michael> That's what I am working on personally but sshhh
  986. # [18:50] <Michael> Still trying to figure out how to animate collada models
  987. # [18:50] <codepo8> Matrix transitions?
  988. # [18:51] * Michael wikipedias
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  990. # [18:51] <Michael> no idea how that would apply lol
  991. # [18:51] <Michael> kind of beyond me
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  993. # [18:52] <Michael> oh I didn't describe the reason for this to begin with
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  995. # [18:53] <Michael> The model is simply the light aspects of the object displaying - so we shine a background color through to change the color of the 'model'
  996. # [18:53] <Michael> And if we didn't have the background image as part of each frame in the sprite, it would just be a big colored square
  997. # [18:54] <ben_c> Michael, If you're willing to go webkit only you can do it eaaaasily: http://webkit.org/blog-files/3d-transforms/morphing-cubes.html
  998. # [18:54] <Michael> FF, Chrome, Safari, IE9 :/
  999. # [18:54] * Michael reads up
  1000. # [18:54] <Michael> Looks like a negative scaleX
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  1002. # [18:55] <codepo8> Interesting - so that is how vid.ly videos will be embedded: http://m.vid.ly/js/html5.js
  1003. # [18:56] <Michael> Who runs vid.ly?
  1004. # [18:56] <codepo8> encoding.com
  1005. # [18:56] <Michael> oh duh
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  1009. # [19:01] <Michael> hmm vid.ly seems pretty cool
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  1015. # [19:06] <miketaylr> lol @ this.hasQiucktime()
  1016. # [19:08] <miketaylr> why all the UA sniffing for quicktime? isn't that exposed via navigator.plugins?
  1017. # [19:08] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  1018. # [19:08] <miketaylr> sorry, "Qiucktime"
  1019. # [19:09] <danielfilho> Qiucktime. Maybe for copyrighted problems. NOT!
  1020. # [19:09] <miketaylr> heh
  1021. # [19:10] <miketaylr> codepo8: can FF play quicktime media with the plugin?
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  1024. # [19:12] <codepo8> works here, yes
  1025. # [19:12] <chromedFiz> on windows
  1026. # [19:12] <codepo8> but why oh why would you?
  1027. # [19:14] <miketaylr> no idea, just looking at that script you pasted
  1028. # [19:14] <chromedFiz> xvid ftw
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  1035. # [19:26] <Evet> what are your desired jsonp services?
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  1040. # [19:32] <techrush> what are the downsides to @font-face ?
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  1042. # [19:33] <shepazu> techrush: in firefox, it gives you the FOUT (flash of unstyled text)
  1043. # [19:33] <techrush> yeah im noticing that
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  1045. # [19:33] <techrush> also noticing ie8 isnt loading my .ttf at all ...i need the font in another format for ie8 correct ?
  1046. # [19:34] <shepazu> .eot
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  1048. # [19:34] <shepazu> techrush: there are gazillions of great article out there for using @font-face gracefully
  1049. # [19:35] <techrush> ok thanks
  1050. # [19:35] <shepazu> * articles
  1051. # [19:36] <shepazu> paul_irish, nimbupani: I have an answer for someone who left the channel before I arrived... can I leave them a message via bot?
  1052. # [19:37] <nimbupani> yes shepazu
  1053. # [19:37] <nimbupani> ?tell <nick>
  1054. # [19:37] <bot-t> nimbupani, Syntax: tell <nick> <message>
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  1056. # [19:46] <paul_irish> ?g font face generator squirrel @ techrush
  1057. # [19:46] <bot-t> techrush, Font Squirrel | Create Your Own @font-face Kits - http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator
  1058. # [19:47] <techrush> thanks dude
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  1060. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> So http://www.w3.org/html/logo/ eh? I probably missed all the hoopla.
  1061. # [19:49] <mikesusz> new oatmeal. dying.
  1062. # [19:50] <mikesusz> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/state_web_winter i think i like the html4 logo.
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  1064. # [19:53] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: hoopla missed.
  1065. # [19:55] <JonathanNeal> Yea.
  1066. # [19:57] <nimbupani> you missed nothing JonathanNeal
  1067. # [19:57] <danielfilho> http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/state_web_winter/html.jpg
  1068. # [19:57] <danielfilho> amazing.
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  1070. # [20:01] <paul_irish> shadow dom webkit dependency tree https://bugs.webkit.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=52962&hide_resolved=0
  1071. # [20:08] <JonathanNeal> or amazon s3
  1072. # [20:08] <JonathanNeal> how you prevade everything
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  1080. # [20:18] <pluma> danielfilho: I call BS on the Netflix claim. The US != all of the Internet.
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  1082. # [20:19] <danielfilho> whüt?
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  1084. # [20:19] <Michael> what netflix claim?
  1085. # [20:19] <JonathanNeal> ck editor, welcome to the party, http://dev.ckeditor.com/ticket/4556#comment:4
  1086. # [20:20] <pluma> The Oatmeal comic claims Netflix makes up for 20% of Internet traffic at peak hours.
  1087. # [20:20] <pluma> Oh, wait, that was mikesusz. You only linked the html part.
  1088. # [20:21] <miketaylr> most americans stream HD stuff on netflix all night long to warm their homes
  1089. # [20:21] <miketaylr> true story.
  1090. # [20:22] <pluma> Oh, in that case...
  1091. # [20:22] <shepazu> thanks, nimbupani
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  1093. # [20:24] <danielfilho> HAHAHAHAHA! Great, miketaylr
  1094. # [20:24] <pluma> Anyway. Why do all major music labels boykott Germany on YouTube? We're seriously the odd ones out. Even Sony BMG doesn't allow their music videos to be seen by us.
  1095. # [20:26] <pluma> Also, how long can it possibly take to introduce TiVo? I want that now.
  1096. # [20:26] <pluma> ... damn backwater country ...
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  1100. # [20:29] <pluma> Anyway. What _is_ #html5's opinion on the HTML5 brand drama?
  1101. # [20:30] <Michael> lol netflix hates the internets
  1102. # [20:30] <pluma> i.e. do you consider the decision to create a logo for "HTML5" (including unrelated technologies) a good thing or bad?
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  1104. # [20:32] <danielfilho> Or they just turn on black ops on ps3 AND x360 simultaneously to warm the whole city (sorry, didn't hit the enter)
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  1106. # [20:35] <dgathright> pluma: Think the HTML5 logo is good, but the W3C's decision to use it as an all-encompassing term is bad. Not a huge deal though. I like the decision to drop versioning from HTML, cause that always seemed silly to me.
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  1109. # [20:36] <pluma> dgathright: I like that the dropping of the versioning is now official. I think this solves some of the problems with the ambiguity behind "HTML5". Because of this, I don't mind that the W3C is now using the popular (i.e. incorrect) definition of HTML5.
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  1112. # [20:37] <pluma> dgathright: Granted, I'd been happier if the term for "new cool stuff you can do with web standards" weren't a pars-pro-toto thing, but I take what I can get. It's better than AJAX or... DHTML...
  1113. # [20:38] <shepazu> dgathright: that was largely a misunderstanding (albeit due to poor wording in the FAQ)... the HTML5 logo wasn't meant to represent anything other than HTML5... the HTML5 logo + technology icons was... it was the "identity system" that included SVG, CSS3, WOFF, etc.
  1114. # [20:38] <shepazu> and anyway, that's now been corrected: http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq.html
  1115. # [20:39] <pluma> shepazu: Ah. Good to know.
  1116. # [20:39] <shepazu> so, http://www.w3.org/html/logo/badge/html5-badge-h-css3-semantics.png stands for HTML5 + semantics + CSS3
  1117. # [20:40] <pluma> shepazu: The "HTML5 is the new Web 2.0" mentality is still widespread. And I don't mind anymore.
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  1119. # [20:41] <shepazu> I don't mind either, I just want to be clear that W3C isn't perpetuating that.... though we are happy to jump on the bandwagon of the buzzword, if it gets people excited about the current wave of Open Web Platform implementation and content
  1120. # [20:44] <pluma> shepazu: Sure. If the buzzword gets suits to embrace web standards, I consider that a good thing. They don't have to care about the correct terminology. They just need something fancy with a label to it.
  1121. # [20:45] <shepazu> yup
  1122. # [20:45] <pluma> I really like the graphical style of the badges, btw. Nice work.
  1123. # [20:45] <pluma> Very anime-ish, actually.
  1124. # [20:45] <shepazu> that was all the designers at Ocupop
  1125. # [20:45] <shepazu> I like it fine, myself
  1126. # [20:46] <pluma> At least for the column design.
  1127. # [20:46] <plh_> indeed, we didn't do the design so don't thank us for that. but you can certainly feel free to blame for it if you feel like it :)
  1128. # [20:46] <plh_> s/blame/blame us/
  1129. # [20:48] <pluma> Wait... there are actually people who work for the W3C? I thought it was just a collaboration of various companies and inidividuals?
  1130. # [20:49] <shepazu> pluma: there are a small number of paid staff, some technical, some administrative
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  1132. # [20:49] <pluma> What does the W3C technical stuff do? Just website maintenance and infrastructure?
  1133. # [20:49] <shepazu> no, that's the IT staff
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  1135. # [20:50] <shepazu> the technical staff does lots of stuff, including technical reviews, and even writing or editing specs (I do that myself)
  1136. # [20:51] <pluma> shepazu: Interesting. I heard about a friend-of-a-friend working for the W3C from their basement. Allegedly it's the local HQ.
  1137. # [20:51] <pluma> (friend of a coworker of my fiancée, actually)
  1138. # [20:51] <plh_> no no, the legend puts us in an ivory tower, full of diamonds and gold
  1139. # [20:52] <pluma> So what is it that you do for a living working as technical staff for the W3C?
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  1141. # [20:52] <pluma> I don't suppose the W3C has much of a need for web developers?
  1142. # [20:53] <pluma> (I don't mean to come across as offensive, I'm quite curious actually)
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  1144. # [20:53] <plh_> pluma, the technical staff is participating in working groups. we're there to help the work stay on track, help the group through the w3c process
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  1146. # [20:54] <plh_> coordinate between various groups
  1147. # [20:54] <pluma> Ah, okay.
  1148. # [20:54] <plh_> identify needs, coordination issues, try to get the right players around the table,
  1149. # [20:54] <plh_> do outreach
  1150. # [20:54] <pluma> So just coordination. All theory, no play?
  1151. # [20:55] <plh_> well, some of us like to play as well
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  1153. # [20:55] <pluma> I mean practical application of web technologies ;)
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  1155. # [20:56] <plh_> we don't do products per say, so not sure what you mean by practical
  1156. # [20:56] <plh_> but we try to write code some time to time
  1157. # [20:56] <pluma> eep. Pet peeve of mine. It's "per se".
  1158. # [20:56] <plh_> thx
  1159. # [20:56] <pluma> Interesting nevertheless.
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  1161. # [20:57] <pluma> Hm... I guess it wouldn't be quite up my alley then.
  1162. # [20:57] <plh_> well, if you like pure code and don't like the politic associated in creating a standard, you're right
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  1164. # [20:59] <pluma> Well, I've always been interested in web standards. I began reading W3C specs at age 15 (as a non-native speaker no less). But I don't really see myself as a project manager.
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  1167. # [21:00] <pluma> I guess I prefer staying a fanboy rather than applying for the team.
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  1170. # [21:01] <pluma> But, yeah, more power to you. Fight the good fight.
  1171. # [21:02] <plh_> well, it depends on your definition of "good" I guess
  1172. # [21:04] <pluma> Well, you can only do so much.
  1173. # [21:04] <Evet> is websockets feature secure for private content?
  1174. # [21:05] <pluma> I was actually quite invested in XHTML for a while. I was looking forward to XHTML 2. It's a shame XHTML clashes with reality this hard, but I think HTML (5) is a good direction.
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  1176. # [21:05] <plh_> XHTML and XHTML 2 are two different thing in my mind
  1177. # [21:06] <pluma> I agree, but I was really looking forward to it.
  1178. # [21:06] <franksalim> Evet, using WebSocket with the wss:// scheme indicates an encrypted connection. Is that what you mean?
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  1180. # [21:06] <pluma> The problem was, of course, backwards incompatibility. It was a bit too radical.
  1181. # [21:06] <JonathanNeal> Hello everyone!
  1182. # [21:06] <Evet> franksalim: i mean, XSS
  1183. # [21:06] * JonathanNeal sends a little love to everybody.
  1184. # [21:06] <paul_irish> g'day
  1185. # [21:07] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, are there ways to specify a different font face for a bold version of a font?
  1186. # [21:07] <pluma> And HTML (5) overcame a lot of the problems by just abandoning the pseudo-SGML roots and sprinkling fairy dust over it.
  1187. # [21:07] <JonathanNeal> fairy dust, surprisingly effective.
  1188. # [21:08] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: and by font face, I mean the src for the bold weight.
  1189. # [21:09] <paul_irish> yup
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  1191. # [21:09] <JonathanNeal> It seems I just repeat the font face, but change the font-weight and it works.
  1192. # [21:10] <paul_irish> yup
  1193. # [21:10] <JonathanNeal> I love when you say yup, amirite?
  1194. # [21:10] <paul_irish> urrite!
  1195. # [21:10] <JonathanNeal> GAH! To WHOM!
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  1197. # [21:11] <JonathanNeal> I downloaded Helvetica on my Windows machine, TTF. The aliasing looked pretty crappy, but it was nice to see all this text on the web closer to how mac users were.
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  1199. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> Then I repackaged Helvetica with font squirrel, and it looks pretty awesoe.
  1200. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> *awesome
  1201. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> Albeit illegal for anything beyond my educational developmental purposes.
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  1203. # [21:14] <franksalim> Evet, I'm not sure what you mean, then. Can you help me understand what sort of attack you are worried about?
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  1205. # [21:15] <franksalim> Evet, if you connect cross-origin with WebSocket, it doesn't allow the target to scrip the page (like jsonp does)
  1206. # [21:15] <Evet> franksalim: i need to authorize client websites
  1207. # [21:17] <franksalim> Evet, I still don't understand what you mean :/
  1208. # [21:18] <daleharvey> serving web fonts to mobile browsers is irresponsible?
  1209. # [21:18] <Evet> franksalim: wss://server.com is my server, http://client.com is websockets client
  1210. # [21:18] <Evet> franksalim: i dont want http://unauthorizedclient.com to access my wss://server.com
  1211. # [21:19] <franksalim> ok, i'm with you so far
  1212. # [21:19] <franksalim> you can prevent that on your server, because connections from http://unauthorizedclient.com will have an origin header telling you where they came from
  1213. # [21:20] <Evet> hmm, the traditional way
  1214. # [21:20] <JonathanNeal> I wish we could just standardize website print with your font face stuff, paul_irish.
  1215. # [21:20] <franksalim> Evet, what is the traditional way?
  1216. # [21:20] <JonathanNeal> Like, pick our own legal Helvetica/Arial, Times, monospace knockoffs.
  1217. # [21:20] <JonathanNeal> What are your thoughts on this, paul_irish?
  1218. # [21:20] <Evet> franksalim: referrer validation
  1219. # [21:21] <franksalim> origin is like a newer, more useful version of referrer
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  1221. # [21:22] <franksalim> and origin is required to be present in WebSocket connection headers
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  1223. # [21:24] <Evet> franksalim: are you using socket.io for cross-browser support?
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  1225. # [21:25] <franksalim> Evet, I work for Kaazing. I am typically using Kaazing for cross-browser support :)
  1226. # [21:26] <Evet> hmm
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  1230. # [21:31] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, eh?
  1231. # [21:31] <codepo8> http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/simple-html5-video-encoding-with-vid-ly-interview-first-impressions-and-invite-code/
  1232. # [21:31] <paul_irish> eh
  1233. # [21:31] <codepo8> interview with the vid.ly owner - a way to hack their HTML5 embed to not need JS and invite code.
  1234. # [21:31] <JonathanNeal> did you get my question/comment about font face?
  1235. # [21:34] <Evet> franksalim: its very exciting to run a web application on a CDN :)
  1236. # [21:36] <franksalim> Evet: yes, very
  1237. # [21:37] <danielfilho> codepo8: thanks for the code! Will try it out :D
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  1242. # [21:44] <mokush> what's the best way to work with the twitter api from js?
  1243. # [21:47] <cgcardona> <3 ::selection
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  1245. # [21:48] <ben_c> I'll second that ::selection love
  1246. # [21:48] <cgcardona> :)
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  1267. # [22:25] <grantgalitz> Anyone have any pdfs on the CPSR register of the ARM CPU?
  1268. # [22:26] <grantgalitz> There's some weird behavior I'm trying to track down in my code.
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  1272. # [22:27] <grantgalitz> paul_irish: I'm trying to get the ARM7TDMI core right in the js GameBoy Advance emulator.
  1273. # [22:27] <grantgalitz> Some weird processor flag instance that's possibly undocumented... hrmm
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  1278. # [22:30] <paul_irish> what the shit does that mean
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  1280. # [22:30] <nimbupani> :D
  1281. # [22:30] <paul_irish> i think i speak for everyone here.
  1282. # [22:30] <grantgalitz> heh
  1283. # [22:30] <nimbupani> ARM CPU
  1284. # [22:31] <grantgalitz> yup
  1285. # [22:31] <grantgalitz> I wonder once I open source it whether google will fork it and use the ARM CPU core to make an android emulator entirely in js. :P
  1286. # [22:31] <paul_irish> ?g arm computer wearable
  1287. # [22:31] <bot-t> paul_irish, LXE's Rugged HX2 Arm-Wearable Computer Frees Hands for Improved ... - http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/more/lxes_rugged_hx2_arm_wearable_computer_frees_hands_for_improved_productivity/
  1288. # [22:32] <grantgalitz> heh
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  1290. # [22:32] <grantgalitz> Though the cortex crap qould need to be added to the base ARM7TDMI core
  1291. # [22:32] <grantgalitz> and of course update it to THUMB2 support
  1292. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> *would
  1293. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> paul_irish: Ever tried doing a 32-bit processor emulation in js? heheheheh
  1294. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> GBC was only 8 bit
  1295. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> GBA is 32-bit ARM7TDMI with pipelining. :P
  1296. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> well
  1297. # [22:34] <snover> Somehow I feel like JavaScript is not the most appropriate language for such an endeavour :P
  1298. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> with a 16-bit THUMB instruction set
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  1300. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> snover: blasphemy!
  1301. # [22:34] <paul_irish> i wrote a script that allows you to modify the H S and L parts of the string "hsl(230, 4%, 50%)" yesterday.
  1302. # [22:34] <paul_irish> didnt get around to a CPU yet
  1303. # [22:35] <snover> what with, among other stuff, the whole bitwise operator requiring a roundtrip conversion IEEE-754 -> int32 -> IEEE-754 thing
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  1305. # [22:35] <grantg> heh
  1306. # [22:36] <snover> that is just sort of the first thing that comes to mind
  1307. # [22:36] <grantg> paul_irish: Did you ever get to view my youtube video?
  1308. # [22:36] <grantg> :P
  1309. # [22:36] <snover> not having direct memory access is another good one
  1310. # [22:36] <grantg> I think many people think it's a java applet
  1311. # [22:37] <grantg> snover: JIT FTW.
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  1313. # [22:37] <grantg> typed arrays FTW.
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  1315. # [22:39] <grantg> snover: I'm not doing Wii emulation. :P
  1316. # [22:39] <grantg> I'm oing much slower systems. ;)
  1317. # [22:39] <grantg> *doing
  1318. # [22:39] <snover> uchhhh.
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  1320. # [22:39] <grantg> GBC gets between approx. 1 MIPS and 2 MIPS
  1321. # [22:39] <grantg> GBA gets 15 MIPS
  1322. # [22:39] <grantg> approx
  1323. # [22:40] <grantg> give or take depending on what instrs are being executed.
  1324. # [22:40] <snover> and then there’s all the other subsystems you need to emulate :P
  1325. # [22:40] <grantg> IRQs, etc
  1326. # [22:40] <grantg> yup
  1327. # [22:40] <grantg> tile caching system FTW
  1328. # [22:40] <paul_irish> grantg: can you link it again
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  1330. # [22:41] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojDWQ_Vtho
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  1332. # [22:41] <grantg> the clicks in the background is from quicktime recording it
  1333. # [22:41] <grantg> meh
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  1335. # [22:42] <norbert> hi all, the W3C Validator says that the type attribute is currently not (yet?) supported for the video element
  1336. # [22:42] <grantg> saw it? :P
  1337. # [22:43] <norbert> I'm currently using type='video/ogg; codecs="theora, vorbis"'
  1338. # [22:43] <norbert> I want the website to work in as many browsers/situations as possible, but also want it to validate
  1339. # [22:43] <norbert> any suggestions?
  1340. # [22:43] <franksalim> grantg, very awesome
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  1342. # [22:43] <grantg> paul_irish: You'll notice a firefox 4 bug *in* the youtube video.
  1343. # [22:43] <grantg> franksalim: Thanks
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  1345. # [22:44] <grantg> The bug being the window.localStorage data wasn't loaded in on time, so I had to refresh the page to load in the saves again.
  1346. # [22:44] <grantg> firefox's fault. :/
  1347. # [22:44] <grantg> shit
  1348. # [22:44] <grantg> I need to file this bug
  1349. # [22:44] <grantg> lol
  1350. # [22:45] <grantg> I always run into these things and not report them.
  1351. # [22:45] <paul_irish> can i pay you money to report these bugs
  1352. # [22:45] <paul_irish> :)
  1353. # [22:45] <grantg> lol
  1354. # [22:45] <nimbupani> $1 per bug
  1355. # [22:46] <grantg> no need
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  1359. # [22:48] <norbert> anyone? :/
  1360. # [22:48] <paul_irish> use the source tag inside of yr video
  1361. # [22:49] <paul_irish> or.. don't worry about the error the validator gives you
  1362. # [22:51] <norbert> you mean add the type after .ogv inside src="..."?
  1363. # [22:52] <dilvie> =)
  1364. # [22:52] <grantg> Anyone can join into the GBC emulator currently.
  1365. # [22:53] <grantg> The code is at https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online
  1366. # [22:53] <grantg> :D
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  1370. # [22:53] <grantg> The GBA is still a WIP, I can't stress that enough
  1371. # [22:54] <norbert> ~\☺/
  1372. # [22:55] <norbert> ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡
  1373. # [22:55] <grantg> :/
  1374. # [22:55] <grantg> norbert: The answer is 42.
  1375. # [22:56] <norbert> according to the The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I know
  1376. # [22:56] <paul_irish> that's like.. happy zalgo
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  1378. # [22:58] <nimbupani> ?hapyzalgo
  1379. # [22:58] <bot-t> ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡
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  1383. # [23:05] <danielfilho> anyone knows if there's a way to find who "Liked" a specific url on facebook?
  1384. # [23:05] <danielfilho> Kinda, who liked www.aol.com, or something like that?
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  1386. # [23:05] <danielfilho> I'm googling it but no success
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  1394. # [23:15] <paul_irish> grantg: that video is dope
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  1396. # [23:16] <Evet> what is the websockets compatible equivalent of socket.io?
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  1399. # [23:21] <paul_irish> socket.io
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  1407. # [23:32] <Evet> what does "polyfill" means?
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  1411. # [23:37] <paul_irish> Evet: a polyfill is a shim that has the exact same API as the native support
  1412. # [23:37] <paul_irish> json2.js is a good example.. it adds JSON.parse() but only if it wasnt previously defined
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  1414. # [23:40] <paul_irish> the point is that polyfill code wont be neccessary in the future
  1415. # [23:41] <paul_irish> it's better than a shim layer that normalizes APIs but uses a newer/"better" API.. as a result it'd have to stick around fo evah
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  1418. # [23:55] * antonkovalyov hopes he'll get one this time
  1419. # [23:55] <Evet> paul_irish: is there a good polyfill of websockets?
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  1422. # [23:59] <paul_irish> Evet: yes https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
  1423. # [23:59] <paul_irish> the web-socket-js flash polyfill is good
  1424. # [00:00] <paul_irish> but socket.io uses that.. and smooths out a lot of other issues
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