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1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 25 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
3. # [00:00] <paul_irish> i recommend socket.io to everyone. totally awesome
4. # [00:00] <Evet> paul_irish: are you using nodejs at back-end?
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8. # [00:08] <paul_irish> Evet: lets go with.. yes
9. # [00:09] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell masondesu http://docs.jquery.com/Getting_Involved
10. # [00:09] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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23. # [00:24] <jpin> Hi, is it possible to colorize words a textarea (something like css per work?)
24. # [00:24] <franksalim> antonkovalyov, source for the cr-48 news?
25. # [00:24] <jpin> (in html5 of course)
26. # [00:25] <jpin> argh .. is it possible to colorize words in a textarea (something like css per word?)
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30. # [00:29] <antonkovalyov> franksalim, http://twitter.com/#!/LuigiMontanez/status/29625344294133760
31. # [00:29] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/enh9W4 @LuigiMontanez: Just got a CR-48 Chrome notebook along with a set of decals. Thanks Google! http://twitpic.com/3t2igl http://twitpic.com/3t2ioo
32. # [00:29] <franksalim> thanks
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34. # [00:32] <franksalim> paul_irish, is socket.io a pollyfill even though it doesn't use the standard API?
35. # [00:35] <thatryan> yay just got a ton of tweets for my textmate site cause two big names tweeted it lol
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42. # [00:48] <paul_irish> franksalim: no i would not consider it a polyfill
43. # [00:49] <paul_irish> its a realtime communication library that uses the web-socket-js flash polyfill under the hood.. among other things
44. # [00:49] <paul_irish> but its just so damn sweet i wouldnt do WS without it
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46. # [00:50] <serio_> anybody see that nodejs + Kinect thing?
47. # [00:50] <serio_> that's some sweetness
48. # [00:50] <paul_irish> link plz
49. # [00:51] <serio_> http://vimeo.com/18645886
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51. # [00:51] <serio_> he uses flash as the front-end, but you could use just about anything.
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53. # [00:54] <franksalim> paul_irish, i'm biased, since my day job is working on a WebSocket polyfill
54. # [00:54] <paul_irish> franksalim: not a free one. :)
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57. # [00:54] <franksalim> right
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59. # [00:55] <Brodingo> possible to set up a websocket for a telnet MUD?
60. # [00:55] <paul_irish> but hey if its a straightup polyfill and has the sort of browser compat that socket.io offers...
61. # [00:55] <paul_irish> well that's quite compelling.
62. # [00:55] <paul_irish> i could get behind that fo sho
63. # [00:55] <serio_> nobody plays MUD's anymore.
64. # [00:55] <Brodingo> HEY
65. # [00:55] <serio_> NOBODY!
66. # [00:55] <Brodingo> you shut your mouth
67. # [00:55] <serio_> NERD!
68. # [00:55] <Brodingo> NERRRRRDDDDD
69. # [00:55] <serio_> ;)
70. # [00:55] <franksalim> that's what it is. the transport list is different, and i think we have been more careful to preserve the security properties of websocket for each transport. (no jsonp!)
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72. # [00:56] <serio_> NERD, says the nerd on the IRC channel
73. # [00:56] <Brodingo> "hey buddy did you get a load of that nerd" "excuse me?"
74. # [00:56] <paul_irish> franksalim: ah cool.
75. # [00:56] <franksalim> Brodingo, you will not be able to connect directly to a telnet server. you can have a websocket gateway connect your websocket clients to telnet servers, though
76. # [00:56] <paul_irish> is there a proper URL for the product?
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78. # [00:57] <Brodingo> hmm ok
79. # [00:57] <franksalim> kaazing.com or http://kaazing.com/products/html5-edition.html
80. # [00:57] <franksalim> http://kaazing.com/download.html maybe
81. # [00:59] <Brodingo> franksalim i found this: http://www.phudbase.com/webmud.php
82. # [01:00] <franksalim> Brodingo, that looks like it does what you want
83. # [01:01] <Brodingo> i wish i knew more about this stuff, kind of jumping into the deep end here trying to understand it
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87. # [01:06] <paul_irish> franksalim: with your websocket gatework could i do this.. if (!window.WebSocket) getScript('wsgateway.js');
88. # [01:06] <paul_irish> and have it work, more or less?
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97. # [01:11] <franksalim> paul_irish, i can't swear that works without trying it
98. # [01:11] <paul_irish> franksalim: thats the pattern i'm starting to evangelize more and more
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100. # [01:12] <paul_irish> and where the power of polyfills really shows off
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102. # [01:12] <franksalim> it seems like a reasonable pattern, although you incur some additional wait time if you do need to fetch more scripts
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104. # [01:12] <paul_irish> because you dont ship code to the browsers that are modern enough to have the features
105. # [01:13] <paul_irish> aye.
106. # [01:13] <franksalim> seems like a straightforward bandwidth vs. latency trade
107. # [01:13] <paul_irish> anyway... i added you to https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
108. # [01:13] <paul_irish> it is.
109. # [01:13] <paul_irish> based on my (and others research) it looks like its around 30k
110. # [01:14] <paul_irish> for a average cable modem, avg latency
111. # [01:14] <franksalim> cool, thanks
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113. # [01:15] <paul_irish> but i'd love to pin down that 30k estimate more.. if you have any extra R&D cycles.. :) https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/5
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116. # [01:17] <franksalim> that's a good discussion
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122. # [01:27] <snover> paul_irish: that’s such an incredibly difficult question to answer authoritatively because there are so many mitigating factors :\
123. # [01:27] <snover> Like, even on that lazyweb thread nobody has even mentioned TCP slow-start
124. # [01:28] <snover> or how HTTP pipelining would affect things
125. # [01:28] <franksalim> or SPDY :)
126. # [01:28] <tw2113> boy, i wasn't that talkative today while i was at work
127. # [01:28] <paul_irish> yah..
128. # [01:28] <tw2113> did you guys enjoy the silence?
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130. # [01:28] <paul_irish> tw2113: shh for a sec.
131. # [01:28] <franksalim> but it would be good to have better data on the networks that people are actually using today
132. # [01:32] <snover> It’s so sad that pipelining is disabled IE & Moz by default, and does not exist at all in Chrome
133. # [01:32] <paul_irish> snover: what i dont want is what is happening.. "omg so i heard i should use script loaders.... " head.load('jqueryjs','jquery-corners.js','jquery-masonry.js','modernizr.js', 'jquery-infinite-scorll.js','jquery-currency.js','site.js')
134. # [01:32] <snover> it exists, it solves basically every problem
135. # [01:32] <paul_irish> i dont think anyone can tell me that ^ is correct
136. # [01:33] <snover> that could work just fine if clients implemented pipelining :\
137. # [01:33] <paul_irish> but there seems to be very little good advice that acommpanies the concept of async script loading that indicates how it should be used in practice
138. # [01:33] <paul_irish> (for the moment, excluding require.js)
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141. # [01:36] <franksalim> snover, most proxies don't implement pipelining. also, pipelining breaks comet. i think there are reasons why the clients don't have pipelining enabled
142. # [01:36] <snover> pipelining breaks comet?
143. # [01:36] <franksalim> sure. what if your resource request is pipelined after a long-polling request?
144. # [01:37] <snover> it’s a resource request for a separate resource so the connection being held open waiting for the long-poll resource shouldn’t be closed
145. # [01:37] <franksalim> it could be behind the long-poll request on the same TCP connection
146. # [01:38] <snover> hum.
147. # [01:40] <franksalim> so i don't think pipelining is a silver bullet. maybe a new protocol like SPDY that can handle pipelining and multiplexing would better solve these problems
148. # [01:41] <snover> spdy is certainly an improvement
149. # [01:41] <snover> we’ll see when anyone other than google implements it :)
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151. # [01:43] <snover> franksalim: could still use pipelining with a comet request, just needs to be POST instead :\
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153. # [01:44] <snover> httpbis has some draft to improve pipelining
154. # [01:44] <snover> i feel like they ought to just do some spdy stuff
155. # [01:45] <snover> ah well
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157. # [01:46] <franksalim> ah well indeed. SPDY is still young. HTTP at least exists in a standard form
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171. # [02:16] <xonecas> paul_irish: why the semicolon at the beguining of line 6 on this gist? https://gist.github.com/366184
172. # [02:16] <bot-t> (1000 hours ago) <nimbupani> tell xonecas the partial pt-BR is now in html5-boilerplate-site: http://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site
173. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ONE THOUSAND HOURS
174. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ?wa 1000 hours / days
175. # [02:16] <bot-t> paul_irish, 41.67 s/s (seconds per second)
176. # [02:16] <paul_irish> ?wa 1000 hours in weeks
177. # [02:16] <bot-t> paul_irish, 5.952 weeks
178. # [02:17] <paul_irish> xonecas: it's optional. it's to protect against concatenation
179. # [02:18] <xonecas> Yeah I went back to portugal for vacations. Glad to know I was gone for 1000 hours :-)
180. # [02:18] <paul_irish> like if there was a (function(){ ... }) (function(){ ... })() and no semicolon between
181. # [02:18] <paul_irish> it blows up
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183. # [02:19] <xonecas> got it. smart stuff. by the way nice follow up on the jQuery source video, I had no idea that operators had a logical order of execution
184. # [02:19] <xonecas> thanks for putting up the time to make such videos
185. # [02:19] <xonecas> :-)
186. # [02:19] <paul_irish> :)
187. # [02:20] <xonecas> since we're in the topic, whats the difference between (function ()){} and (function (){}) ?
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193. # [02:29] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, is there an irc channel for jquery-dev?
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195. # [02:35] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: ;)
196. # [02:36] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, is it jquery-dev? :)
197. # [02:36] <antonkovalyov> ookay
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207. # [02:47] <chromedFiz> bot-t: tell paul_irish he is awesome
208. # [02:47] <bot-t> chromedFiz, Okay.
209. # [02:54] <paul_irish> shh!
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211. # [02:54] <xonecas> Where can I find the drag n drop html5 api spec?
212. # [02:55] <xonecas> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dnd.html is this it?
213. # [02:56] <antonkovalyov> http://www.cocktailtyper.com/
214. # [02:57] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: awesome :-)
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227. # [03:08] <JohnBaku> Stupid question... I am using media queries for a project of ours and we want to basically have the following layout, left being mobile (1 column) and right being web (2 column): https://skitch.com/kopanas/rmyfx/sketch-2011-01-24-at-08.32.24-pm.png
228. # [03:09] <JohnBaku> Half my brain says it can't be done with floats but my other half of my brain wants to be able to do it... somehow...
229. # [03:09] <JohnBaku> the other hack is to make carbon copy of certain sections and show and hide them based on wihch layout... mobile or web...
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231. # [03:10] <JohnBaku> alright... ignore the new guy... I understand! :-p
232. # [03:11] <xonecas> JohnBaku: you can provide for that using specific classes
233. # [03:11] <xonecas> when its mobile add a .mobile class to the wrapper or body
234. # [03:11] <xonecas> then on the media queries you overwrite the web layout, with the new layout for mobile
235. # [03:12] <JohnBaku> xonecas: I hear you in theory but in practive I am not sure how to take section 6 and 7 abd move them above and to the right of section 5
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237. # [03:13] <nimbupani> xonecas: yes the portuguese translation seems to be ready, but I would appreciate if you can take a look and see if anything can be fixed
238. # [03:14] <nimbupani> (in reply to your message :))
239. # [03:14] <xonecas> nimbupani: will do :-) (i'm actually doing that right now) can you point me to the drag and drop html5 spec I think its this one but not sure: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dnd.html
240. # [03:14] <nimbupani> yes it is that one xonecas
241. # [03:15] <xonecas> JohnBaku: This might sound crazy but you can use js to change the order of the document, but if you don't want to cheat, give section 5 a top margin to allow room for 6 and 7 and position these with position relative/absolute (whiever you like better)
242. # [03:16] <xonecas> nimbupani: thanks
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245. # [03:20] <JohnBaku> xonecas: interesting... hmm... have you ever tried using JS to move around sections in the dom on a mobile device did you notice a performance hit? (Android/iPhone)
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249. # [03:25] <xonecas> JohnBaku: not really, if you keep the code as simple as you can it should be quick
250. # [03:26] <xonecas> this is valid for android, I haven't tryed in iOS
251. # [03:27] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: couldn't you just put them in the mobile order in the dom no matter what, and for larger screen media queries apply float right to them?
252. # [03:28] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: sure, but 6 and 7 will float below 5
253. # [03:28] <Pewpewarrows> hmm
254. # [03:29] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: thats actually smart, no they won't if you place them before 5
255. # [03:29] <jamesgolick> but if you place them before 5, then they're before 5 in the mobile version
256. # [03:29] <JohnBaku> jamesgolick: exactly! :-)
257. # [03:29] <xonecas> oh yeah... ahah
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260. # [03:30] <JohnBaku> xonecas: I think we prefer doubling up some of the HTML and doing some display and hide in the media queries...
261. # [03:31] <JohnBaku> there must be a solution where we don't have to compromise for either the mobile or web version... or maybe not
262. # [03:31] <Pewpewarrows> I'm hacking away at this problem instead of my deadline due tomorrow JohnBaku, we'll find something!
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264. # [03:31] <jamesgolick> hahaha
265. # [03:31] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: I kind of love you! :-)
266. # [03:32] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: unless you are being sarcastic... in that case I would hate me! :-)
267. # [03:32] <Pewpewarrows> quite serious
268. # [03:32] <Pewpewarrows> I needed a break anyway
269. # [03:34] <xonecas> JohnBaku: adding duplicate code should never be the solution. In the past I've used js to change the document order with success. As an after tought I would code the html for mobile and adjust the document order for the web, since you're safer expecting better js performance on the desktop
270. # [03:36] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I'm assuming 3,4,6,7 need flexible height for inner content, so you can't position absolute those suckers
271. # [03:36] <JohnBaku> xonecas: the problem is with people with very old browsers... I think!?!?
272. # [03:36] <xonecas> Even on ie 6 I'm sure you can do this with very little code
273. # [03:36] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: on this page in specific that I am working on some are fixed and some need to be flexible....
274. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> I'd actually argue the opposite, since you're more likely to find desktop browsers with js disabled
275. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> but I'm conviced there's a css only solution
276. # [03:37] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: if they have JS disabled then that is there problem Ithink
277. # [03:37] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: I hope you are right!
278. # [03:37] <jamesgolick> either way, with tons of different pages (like 30-50), it's pretty ugly to have a bunch of javascript around for swapping sections around
279. # [03:37] <Pewpewarrows> there was a presentation recently regarding the future of css beyond the box model
280. # [03:38] <Pewpewarrows> and the guy mentioned that we'll eventually be able to specify out-of-order dom elements with css
281. # [03:38] <Pewpewarrows> obv that doesnt help us now :P
282. # [03:41] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: which might mean it can't be done right now! :-/
283. # [03:41] <Pewpewarrows> nope I did it, just getting the jsfiddle link for you now
284. # [03:44] <paul_irish> nimbupani: did anton talk to you
285. # [03:44] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/1/
286. # [03:44] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, not yet
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288. # [03:45] <paul_irish> okay let me know when he does
289. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> she was not here when i wanted to talk and then i forgot
290. # [03:45] <antonkovalyov> i will need a few minutes
291. # [03:45] <Pewpewarrows> in the mobile version have the wrapper by a smaller width and make them all float left, in the desktop make the wrapper > 2x width of them, <3x width of them, and float shit right
292. # [03:45] <Pewpewarrows> s/by/be
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295. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> ahhh that makes sense
296. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> if you float the left col, then you can float the right col
297. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> lol!
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299. # [03:46] <jamesgolick> overthinking for the win
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302. # [03:46] <JohnBaku> jamesgolick: how does that solve the prolem... not sure it does...
303. # [03:47] <jamesgolick> JohnBaku: it does
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306. # [03:50] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows and JohnBaku: the problem I don't think is with 1 through 5 but 6 and 7... know what I mean?
307. # [03:51] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I'm modifying the fiddle for a better example
308. # [03:52] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: thanks buddy!
309. # [03:52] <nimbupani> paul_irish: no
310. # [03:52] <nimbupani> what about?
311. # [03:52] <paul_irish> new project.
312. # [03:52] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, hey!
313. # [03:52] <nimbupani> ooo
314. # [03:53] <nimbupani> hey antonkovalyov!
315. # [03:54] <paul_irish> nimbu i pushed dorwards commits live without looking at them
316. # [03:54] <nimbupani> omg wai!
317. # [03:55] <paul_irish> whynot
318. # [03:55] <nimbupani> i will look tonite
319. # [03:55] <nimbupani> iunno
320. # [03:55] <paul_irish> :)
321. # [03:55] <nimbupani> he seems slightly pedantic
322. # [03:55] <paul_irish> slightly? loooool
323. # [03:55] <nimbupani> :)
324. # [03:55] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, we're doing a community-driven fork of jslint, called jshint. it will be not insane, will have helpful messages, etc. i was working on an actual library fork for a few days and now we're ready to go public. paul_irish's friend is even willing to contribute jshint.com to that project. we don't want to use jslint.com design since 1) it is very ugly and 2) we don't want to confuse people. so we need design help and though
325. # [03:55] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, done. talked to nimbupani
326. # [03:55] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
327. # [03:55] <nimbupani> neet
328. # [03:55] <paul_irish> well done antonkovalyov
329. # [03:56] <nimbupani> where is at?
330. # [03:56] <nimbupani> ?g github antonkovalyov
331. # [03:56] <bot-t> nimbupani, Pull Request — Bugfix for #7945 by antonkovalyov for jquery's ... - https://github.com/jquery/jquery/pull/181
332. # [03:56] <nimbupani> O_O
333. # [03:56] <paul_irish> whoops
334. # [03:56] <paul_irish> github.com/jshint/jshint
335. # [03:56] <antonkovalyov> ?g github jshint
336. # [03:56] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, ryanmcgrath/wrench-js - GitHub - https://github.com/ryanmcgrath/wrench-js
337. # [03:56] <antonkovalyov> damn
338. # [03:56] <nimbupani> you will get there soon antonkovalyov
339. # [03:56] <nimbupani> okayyy i see it
340. # [03:57] <paul_irish> ?g jslint
341. # [03:57] <bot-t> paul_irish, JSLint, The JavaScript Code Quality Tool - http://www.jslint.com/
342. # [03:57] <nimbupani> OMG so horribs
343. # [03:57] <paul_irish> it is a fork of that ^ people are used to that design.. fwiw
344. # [03:57] <nimbupani> like my first website
345. # [03:57] <nimbupani> okay
346. # [03:57] <antonkovalyov> i didn't know that #7945 is the first result on "antonkovalyov github" search
347. # [03:57] <nimbupani> now you do!
348. # [03:57] <nimbupani> ?g nimbupani
349. # [03:57] <bot-t> nimbupani, Nimbupani Designs | standards based web design - http://nimbupani.com/
350. # [03:57] <nimbupani> thnz bot-t
351. # [03:58] <nimbupani> okayy so obviously there is no markup yet and all
352. # [03:58] <nimbupani> can u make this public domain? or u gotta obey crockford license? :/
353. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> the actual lib?
354. # [03:59] <nimbupani> yeah :)
355. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> i asked paul, he said that we need to have crock's license block
356. # [03:59] <antonkovalyov> very lame, i know
357. # [03:59] <nimbupani> sucks
358. # [03:59] <paul_irish> his is MIT. we can't public domain a deriv of MIT
359. # [04:00] <nimbupani> ya ya ya
360. # [04:00] <nimbupani> anyone asked crock about it? :)
361. # [04:00] <paul_irish> course not.
362. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> i don't want to email him :)
363. # [04:00] <nimbupani> someone should!
364. # [04:00] <xonecas> nimbupani: just sent the pull request, fixed small things that didn't made sense.
365. # [04:00] <paul_irish> i mean.. actually yes.
366. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> he is mean
367. # [04:00] <antonkovalyov> i am scared
368. # [04:00] <paul_irish> http://wonko.com/post/jsmin-isnt-welcome-on-google-code
369. # [04:00] <paul_irish> read that if you REALLY care about jslint's licensing
370. # [04:01] <paul_irish> which you shouldnt
371. # [04:01] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: I see what you mean, running into some weird float issues when the heights are messed with
372. # [04:01] <nimbupani> ok ok ok
373. # [04:01] <xonecas> paul_irish: better watch out, or the crock will get you :-)
374. # [04:01] <paul_irish> ?crock @ xonecas
375. # [04:01] <bot-t> xonecas, Your sadly pathetic bleatings are harshing my mellow.
376. # [04:02] <nimbupani> o neet xonecas!
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378. # [04:02] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: and what happens when you don't define height?
379. # [04:02] <xonecas> :-)
380. # [04:02] <Pewpewarrows> JohnBaku: well I'm defining height just to mimic variable-sized height content in them
381. # [04:02] <Pewpewarrows> not as a styling tool
382. # [04:02] <JohnBaku> Pewpewarrows: ahh... ok
383. # [04:02] <nimbupani> Pewpewarrows: what are you attempting to do?
384. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: https://skitch.com/kopanas/rmyfx/sketch-2011-01-24-at-08.32.24-pm.png
385. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> left mobile, right desktop
386. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> pure css
387. # [04:03] <antonkovalyov> sooo nimbupani you in?
388. # [04:03] <nimbupani> yeah thats not even a q antonkovalyov
389. # [04:03] <antonkovalyov> cooooool
390. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> closest I've gotten is: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/5/
391. # [04:04] <Pewpewarrows> take out the desktop class to make it into the mobile version
392. # [04:04] <nimbupani> what do I do next antonkovalyov? just put a wireframe like thing?
393. # [04:04] <nimbupani> i think putting 3/4 and 2 like that is not an issue
394. # [04:05] <nimbupani> but 6/7 is not smthing that immediately comes to mind.
395. # [04:05] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: JohnBaku: adding a clear: left; seems to fix the height problem
396. # [04:05] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: oh snap
397. # [04:05] <jamesgolick> to #a, #c, #e
398. # [04:06] <nimbupani> thats almost close Pewpewarrows!
399. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, ya; jshint.com should have the same functionality as jslint.com — you put your code, we check it with jshint and show you messages (with explanation!)
400. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> i will do the coding part
401. # [04:06] <nimbupani> neet obv
402. # [04:06] <antonkovalyov> i think we decided to use jekyll
403. # [04:07] <nimbupani> oh kay i have worked with that before
404. # [04:07] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: that works almost perfectly, except that when the 3 & 4 have small height there's a big gap between 4 & 6
405. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> hmm
406. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> send me what you're working on?
407. # [04:07] <jamesgolick> can you update that jsfiddle?
408. # [04:08] <Pewpewarrows> yeah
409. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> ya jekyll is awesome
410. # [04:08] <nimbupani> can you not min-height it Pewpewarrows
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412. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, we need a separate repo for site
413. # [04:08] <Pewpewarrows> latest version: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/9/
414. # [04:08] <antonkovalyov> ?tell paul_irish create jshint-site repo please
415. # [04:08] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
416. # [04:08] <nimbupani> yes, we could have it within jshit account antonkovalyov?
417. # [04:08] <paul_irish> btw if anyone's curious.. logs of this channel are at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
418. # [04:08] <bot-t> (4 secs ago) <antonkovalyov> tell paul_irish create jshint-site repo please
419. # [04:09] <nimbupani> hint*
420. # [04:09] <nimbupani> ADD ME paul_irish
421. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish owns jshint account
422. # [04:09] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: do we? why cant it be in the same folder
423. # [04:09] <paul_irish> same repo rather
424. # [04:09] <nimbupani> keep it clean paul_irish
425. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, because it sucks when the lib has site's code
426. # [04:09] <nimbupani> yeah
427. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> most of the people don't care about site's code
428. # [04:09] <nimbupani> its not like modernizr's site code exists
429. # [04:09] <nimbupani> in same repo
430. # [04:09] <paul_irish> but it'll just be a single index.html file
431. # [04:09] <antonkovalyov> when was the last time you cared about jslint.com source? :)
432. # [04:10] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: I would, but I think JohnBaku would prefer it to work regardless of content height in each block
433. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, not necessarilly
434. # [04:10] <nimbupani> paul_irish: 2 of 3 people prefer separate repo
435. # [04:10] <antonkovalyov> since it is community driven we might want to have some changelog shit at some point
436. # [04:10] <paul_irish> 1 of 1 who owns the acct
437. # [04:11] <paul_irish> doesnt
438. # [04:11] * nimbupani pffts
439. # [04:11] <paul_irish> ?cc @ nimbupani
440. # [04:11] <bot-t> nimbupani, CASE CLOASED >: |
441. # [04:11] <Pewpewarrows> lol
442. # [04:11] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: this is an outrage
443. # [04:11] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, stop pulling crock on us
444. # [04:11] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
445. # [04:11] <xonecas> LOL
446. # [04:11] <xonecas> paul_irish: you seem to get along with bot-t
447. # [04:11] <paul_irish> we're best friends.
448. # [04:11] <xonecas> I can see that!
449. # [04:12] <nimbupani> botty is everyone's friend
450. # [04:12] <nimbupani> bot-t: are you my friend?
451. # [04:12] <bot-t> nimbupani, Don't count on it.
452. # [04:12] <nimbupani> :'(
453. # [04:12] <xonecas> ahaha
454. # [04:12] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: alllllright but .. keeping the jshint.js up to date in the site repo is your problem :)
455. # [04:12] <xonecas> if I can help with coding for the jshint, i would love to, sounds like an great project
456. # [04:12] <nimbupani> obvvvv
457. # [04:12] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, ya
458. # [04:13] <nimbupani> dinner tyme
459. # [04:13] <antonkovalyov> ya; going home time :)
460. # [04:13] <antonkovalyov> laters
461. # [04:13] <paul_irish> jshint/site ? yeah i think so
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463. # [04:14] <paul_irish> k. both yall added.
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465. # [04:15] <jamesgolick> Pewpewarrows: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/10/
466. # [04:15] <antonkovalyov> sweet thx paul_irish
467. # [04:16] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: on reflection i want site separate so that the commit history for /jshint is clean
468. # [04:16] <nimbupani> ON REFLECTION
469. # [04:17] <antonkovalyov> i knew that you will see the truth paul_irish
470. # [04:17] <paul_irish> ?shiftkey
471. # [04:17] <bot-t> http://paulirish.com/i/shiftkey.jpg
472. # [04:17] <antonkovalyov> i never stopped believing in you
473. # [04:17] <nimbupani> oops :x
474. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: same issue with tall left-side ones and short right-side ones
475. # [04:17] <jamesgolick> I don't see the issue
476. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> jamesgolick: http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/9/
477. # [04:17] <Pewpewarrows> wait
478. # [04:18] <Pewpewarrows> http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/11/
479. # [04:18] <jamesgolick> http://jsfiddle.net/PYsRH/12/
480. # [04:18] <jamesgolick> err ^?
481. # [04:19] <jamesgolick> oh, I didn't try making 2 bigger
482. # [04:19] <Pewpewarrows> yeah that's the issue
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484. # [04:21] <JohnBaku> My computer is fucked... I will be back...
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491. # [04:34] <chromedFiz> paul_irish: do you have one of the cr48's?
492. # [04:36] <paul_irish> if i said i did i'm afraid people would jump me for it. so ummm.. let's just say i'm _on_ the chrome team.
493. # [04:36] <chromedFiz> hehe
494. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> i loooove mine :P
495. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> once i get cloudeide setup ill be set for on the road dev :D
496. # [04:37] <chromedFiz> cloud9ide i mean
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498. # [04:45] <xonecas> chromedFiz: I got one awesome little thing
499. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> ?
500. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> oh
501. # [04:45] <chromedFiz> nm
502. # [04:45] <xonecas> the cr48
503. # [04:46] <xonecas> what do you mean the cloud9ide ?
504. # [04:46] <xonecas> I just used the Luigi bootloader to install archlinux
505. # [04:46] <chromedFiz> its a really nice ajax.org project
506. # [04:46] <chromedFiz> web based IDE
507. # [04:47] <chromedFiz> i had ubuntu on mine but im trying to stick to chromos so i can be the best pilot tester i can be :P
508. # [04:47] <xonecas> eheh
509. # [04:48] <xonecas> I still use chrome os, I only bring out the arch for heavy lifting
510. # [04:48] <chromedFiz> you can osx on it too but it dont have video acceleration
511. # [04:48] <xonecas> (like when I need a native app, or to access/manipulate external drives)
512. # [04:48] <chromedFiz> you can put
513. # [04:48] <xonecas> osx ports are always kind of shady imho
514. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> no native osx
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517. # [04:49] <xonecas> and my fav sys is arch linux so I'm happy
518. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> with a few kext and the chameleon bootloader
519. # [04:49] <xonecas> I would think its really slow thou
520. # [04:49] <chromedFiz> it is kinda
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522. # [04:50] <xonecas> yeah, I had to use xmonad wm on linux for a more responsive ui
523. # [04:50] <xonecas> dwm is a good option to
524. # [04:50] <xonecas> too
525. # [04:50] <chromedFiz> but even linux is slow unless you use the chromos kernel
526. # [04:50] <xonecas> I don't notice that much, but then again I did compile the kernel for the cr48
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533. # [05:03] <paul_irish> anyone have feedback on this proposed humans.txt ?
534. # [05:03] <paul_irish> http://oksoclap.com/fhl41FrKNb
535. # [05:07] <chromedFiz> that going to be the default in boilerplate?
536. # [05:07] <paul_irish> ya
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538. # [05:07] <chromedFiz> wow is that live editing
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540. # [05:08] <xonecas> paul_irish: you nailed it, now I want to see that start everywhere :-)
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542. # [05:09] <xonecas> do you think that there is a need for a drag and drop shim?
543. # [05:09] <paul_irish> for who
544. # [05:09] <paul_irish> it's got good coverage
545. # [05:09] <paul_irish> http://caniuse.com/#feat=dragndrop 95%
546. # [05:09] <xonecas> yeah from every other library, but in the pollyfills page you list none
547. # [05:09] <paul_irish> s'true
548. # [05:10] <paul_irish> i think it's okay.. wouldnt be super useful
549. # [05:10] <xonecas> what would be super useful at this point (I need something to do)
550. # [05:10] <paul_irish> pm.
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555. # [05:33] <thatryan> anyone have foodz? gimme
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557. # [05:48] <chromedFiz> i had pizza tonight :D
558. # [05:48] <thatryan> damn you
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562. # [05:53] <chromedFiz> it was good too
563. # [05:54] <chromedFiz> from what i was told anyways im sick so my taste buds are dead
564. # [05:57] <NiftyLettuce> h264 oh noez
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568. # [06:09] <thatryan> too sick to taste pizza??? that is so not fair man i am sorry! :p
569. # [06:14] <thatryan> what are you peoples working on
570. # [06:14] <chromedFiz> im working on boring crap for a client
571. # [06:14] <thatryan> blah
572. # [06:14] <chromedFiz> can javascript reverse dns a domain?
573. # [06:15] <thatryan> thats beyond me, i would think no though
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581. # [06:22] <tw2113> can i speak again yet?
582. # [06:22] <tw2113> :D
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586. # [06:23] <thatryan> NO!
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589. # [06:25] <tw2113> paul told me to shhh earlier, i listened
590. # [06:25] <thatryan> were you put in timeout?
591. # [06:25] <tw2113> try that with a female! ha!
592. # [06:25] <thatryan> lol
593. # [06:26] <tw2113> except jacine, she would listen
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596. # [06:26] <nimbupani> wut?
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598. # [06:27] <tw2113> nimbupani too would listen
599. # [06:27] <tw2113> other than that, just being a chauvinistic pig
600. # [06:28] <thatryan> wait there are TWO GIRLS in here?
601. # [06:28] <thatryan> wwwhoooaaa
602. # [06:29] <tw2113> crikey...no wonder i was warm. turns out it's 80 in here and my heater is working
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604. # [06:32] <tw2113> don't mind me in those moments nimbupani i don't actually mean it, and am always just playfully ribbing
605. # [06:34] <nimbupani> http://rel.ly/2011/01/24/unfunny/
606. # [06:36] <tw2113> well played
607. # [06:36] <tw2113> i better listen more
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610. # [06:46] <tw2113> aye, i should probably learn some javascript more sooner than later
611. # [06:46] <thatryan> yes
612. # [06:46] <thatryan> do that
613. # [06:46] <thatryan> :D
614. # [06:46] <tw2113> if anything, more jquery
615. # [06:46] <tw2113> but probably the first
616. # [06:47] <tw2113> i have general logic down at least thanks to php, just a matter of syntax
617. # [06:47] <thatryan> word
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621. # [07:07] <antonkovalyov> shit, github is down
622. # [07:08] <tw2113> zomg!
623. # [07:08] <tw2113> the apocalypse is here! save yourself!
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626. # [07:13] <nimbupani> ?down github.com
627. # [07:13] <bot-t> nimbupani, It's not just you! - http://github.com looks down from here.
628. # [07:13] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: would have been funnier had you said "git, shithub is down"
629. # [07:13] <nimbupani> O NO
630. # [07:14] <thatryan> :)
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632. # [07:18] <xonecas> https://github.com/blog/776-scheduled-maintenance-tonight-at-22-00-pst
633. # [07:23] <antonkovalyov> GITHUB HAS NO RIGHT FOR DOWNTIME ANYMORE. THEY ARE TOO IMPORTANT
634. # [07:24] <antonkovalyov> sorry for the caps, people. got confused
635. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> is their blog really on their main server
636. # [07:24] <antonkovalyov> google never has schedule maintenance
637. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> I can't even read the schedule maintenance post
638. # [07:24] <Pewpewarrows> BAWWWWWW
639. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> like tumblr using tumblr for their status page
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641. # [07:25] <Pewpewarrows> I thought google code had pretty regular scheduled maintenance
642. # [07:25] <tw2113> madness sans-sparta?
643. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> nobody cares about google code
644. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> :)
645. # [07:25] <Pewpewarrows> :P
646. # [07:25] <antonkovalyov> i am talking search and gmail
647. # [07:26] <Pewpewarrows> search and gmail have transcended the idea of servers, they just 'exist'
648. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> so github and reddit's down, now wtf am I supposed to do
649. # [07:27] <nimbupani> WORK Pewpewarrows
650. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> I REFUSE
651. # [07:27] <nimbupani> or do some lazyweb requests
652. # [07:27] <nimbupani> oops :|
653. # [07:27] <nimbupani> you cant
654. # [07:27] <tw2113> tweet your frustration
655. # [07:27] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, exactly :)
656. # [07:27] <Pewpewarrows> rofl
657. # [07:28] <nimbupani> then Pewpewarrows I recommend the excellent w3 specs for your perusal
658. # [07:29] <Pewpewarrows> well I have like 2 dozen things I should be working on
659. # [07:29] <Pewpewarrows> but I'm talking about procrastination here
660. # [07:29] <nimbupani> yes clearly have you tried popsugar.com?
661. # [07:29] <nimbupani> excellent cure for it.
662. # [07:30] <Pewpewarrows> wtf is this
663. # [07:30] <tw2113> looks like celebrity gossip
664. # [07:30] <nimbupani> obviously
665. # [07:30] <nimbupani> it makes me sick
666. # [07:30] <nimbupani> so i get to work quicker
667. # [07:31] <Pewpewarrows> excellent strategy :)
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669. # [07:33] <antonkovalyov> OMG Andrew Garfield and Shannon Woodward Make Time For Movie Night
670. # [07:34] <antonkovalyov> i need to get more about this story
671. # [07:34] <nimbupani> why are you even reading that shit O_O
672. # [07:34] <nimbupani> https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/HTML%20Security%20Policy
673. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, you linked to it
674. # [07:35] <antonkovalyov> i trusted you
675. # [07:35] <nimbupani> sry antonkovalyov
676. # [07:35] <nimbupani> i betrayed your trust.
677. # [07:36] <nimbupani> i hope i shall earn it back again smday
678. # [07:37] <antonkovalyov> hah
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680. # [07:37] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, is there anything interesting in seattle besides space needle?
681. # [07:37] <nimbupani> lotsss
682. # [07:38] * tw2113 is bickering with someone trying to get frames/iframes to work well in #wordpress
683. # [07:38] <nimbupani> depends on how hipster you are
684. # [07:38] <tw2113> be a 90s hipster, hunt down grunge artifects
685. # [07:38] <antonkovalyov> i dunno
686. # [07:38] <nimbupani> coz i only know hipster stuff
687. # [07:39] <tw2113> artifacts?
688. # [07:39] <tw2113> that looks more right
689. # [07:39] <nimbupani> all these clubbing, drinking places are unknown to me
690. # [07:39] <antonkovalyov> seattle is just close enough to make it a weekend vacation; i did once but that was all the touristy shit like starbucks and needle
691. # [07:39] <nimbupani> o noes yeah those are terrible
692. # [07:39] <antonkovalyov> what is hipster stuff?
693. # [07:40] <nimbupani> farmers markets/ restaurants/ live-music/indie coffee/museums/book readings/ walking in parks/cycling
694. # [07:40] <antonkovalyov> you just described berkeley
695. # [07:40] <antonkovalyov> i live here :)
696. # [07:40] <nimbupani> yes :|
697. # [07:40] <nimbupani> all hipster hoods are same
698. # [07:40] <nimbupani> EXCEPT
699. # [07:40] <nimbupani> seattle is surrounded by snow capped mountains
700. # [07:40] <nimbupani> cant beat that
701. # [07:40] <nimbupani> ever
702. # [07:41] <nimbupani> especially on a clear day unlike today
703. # [07:41] <nimbupani> plus seattle coffee rawk
704. # [07:41] <nimbupani> no other place everr for best coffee
705. # [07:41] <nimbupani> everr
706. # [07:41] <antonkovalyov> hmm
707. # [07:42] <antonkovalyov> you sure have lots of starbucks spots :)
708. # [07:42] <nimbupani> GROSS
709. # [07:42] <antonkovalyov> hey i have gold membership there :)
710. # [07:42] <nimbupani> only non-hipsters there
711. # [07:42] <nimbupani> GEEZ antonkovalyov
712. # [07:42] <nimbupani> thats the worst you could possibly have done
713. # [07:42] <nimbupani> everr
714. # [07:42] <nimbupani> gold membership at starbucks!!!
715. # [07:43] * nimbupani is disappoint
716. # [07:43] <tw2113> my city here in SD has 2 starbucks on an intersection
717. # [07:43] <nimbupani> omg
718. # [07:43] <nimbupani> i can understand SD tw2113
719. # [07:43] <nimbupani> not berkeley
720. # [07:43] <nimbupani> no wai
721. # [07:43] <tw2113> there's one in a Barnes N Noble, across the diagonal street, a standalone
722. # [07:43] <antonkovalyov> i do much less starbucks since i moved here though
723. # [07:44] <nimbupani> you should do NONE
724. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> why, they have decent coffee
725. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> plus, almost all indie coffee shops still buy starbucks coffee :)
726. # [07:44] <tw2113> it's all about the Caribou Coffee
727. # [07:44] <antonkovalyov> starbucks is the biggest coffee beans producer/reseller in the country
728. # [07:44] <nimbupani> WTF
729. # [07:44] <nimbupani> who does
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731. # [07:45] <antonkovalyov> they might not be branded starbucks
732. # [07:45] <nimbupani> you have the wrong indie shops then
733. # [07:45] <antonkovalyov> but it's like seattles best coffee still the same shit :)
734. # [07:45] <nimbupani> thats disgusting
735. # [07:45] <nimbupani> who the eff goes there
736. # [07:45] <nimbupani> or tullys
737. # [07:45] <nimbupani> or peets even
738. # [07:45] <nimbupani> dare i say
739. # [07:45] <tw2113> i rotate between coffee shops actually
740. # [07:45] <tw2113> one called Black Sheep Coffee that does a lot of their own roasting
741. # [07:46] <tw2113> Dunn Bros has a location
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743. # [07:46] <antonkovalyov> i fucking hate peets
744. # [07:46] <tw2113> a bakery below where our office is at the moment
745. # [07:46] <nimbupani> well antonkovalyov i have to investigatae this starbucks thing but I dont think hipsters i know would allow it
746. # [07:46] <antonkovalyov> same shit, just pretentious
747. # [07:46] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha
748. # [07:46] <tw2113> and a small drive up shack named Cappuccino Cabin
749. # [07:46] <nimbupani> neet tw2113
750. # [07:47] <antonkovalyov> real hipsters must drink turkish coffee
751. # [07:47] <nimbupani> i agree
752. # [07:47] <nimbupani> we have good turkish coffee at pike place
753. # [07:47] <tw2113> REALLY real hipsters roast their own
754. # [07:47] <nimbupani> which has good shit for non-tourits
755. # [07:47] <antonkovalyov> pike place? where the first STARBUCKS is? :)
756. # [07:47] <nimbupani> toursits even
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758. # [07:47] <nimbupani> who the eff goes there
759. # [07:47] <nimbupani> except bloody tourists
760. # [07:47] <nimbupani> but usually the best buskers are outside that shop
761. # [07:48] <nimbupani> coz they get most money there.
762. # [07:48] <antonkovalyov> but if i drink the same amount of turkish coffee as i do with american, i'll be dead in a week
763. # [07:48] <nimbupani> always good music ouotside.
764. # [07:48] <antonkovalyov> ya music is awesome there
765. # [07:48] <tw2113> drink drip coffee, save $3/round
766. # [07:48] <nimbupani> i only drink coffee twice a day, double shot lattes
767. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> oookay
768. # [07:49] <nimbupani> i am not dead yet
769. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> lattes is the same in starbucks as everywhere
770. # [07:49] <nimbupani> NO WAI
771. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> it is so fucking hard to make a latte bad
772. # [07:49] <nimbupani> NO NO NO
773. # [07:49] <nimbupani> it is possible
774. # [07:49] <nimbupani> then u havent had good lattes!
775. # [07:49] <nimbupani> EVER
776. # [07:49] <antonkovalyov> we also have free redbull in the office
777. # [07:49] <nimbupani> thats the only coffee i like O_O
778. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> but i stopped drinking it recently :)
779. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> i had my fair amount of latte
780. # [07:50] <antonkovalyov> lattes*
781. # [07:50] <nimbupani> the only time i attempted redbull was when i was in university and it didnt blasted work
782. # [07:50] <tw2113> i haven't touched an energy drink since august, i believe
783. # [07:50] <nimbupani> :/ how can u say then people can do latte the same way?!!
784. # [07:50] <tw2113> and that was when i was up and at work by 6am for 12 hours at a time
785. # [07:50] <nimbupani> its espresso + milk
786. # [07:51] <nimbupani> how how can it be made uniformly!
787. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> exactly
788. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> espresso + milk
789. # [07:51] <nimbupani> pardon me but americano is the suckiest way to drink coffee
790. # [07:51] <nimbupani> espresso is not eassyy!
791. # [07:51] <tw2113> ratio
792. # [07:51] <antonkovalyov> when i meant american, i meant normal coffee (black coffee) not americano :)
793. # [07:52] <tw2113> wow my twitter stream died, i haven't seen an update in 23 minutes
794. # [07:52] <nimbupani> black coffee is when i am dead and need rescue
795. # [07:52] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, you kidding? :) most espresso machines don't even require human intervention
796. # [07:53] <nimbupani> WATT
797. # [07:53] <nimbupani> coffee grounds matter!
798. # [07:53] <nimbupani> and when they are ground!
799. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> ya just ground just before you make a drink
800. # [07:53] <nimbupani> coffee shops here GRIND it before they make those coffees IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES
801. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> and you're good
802. # [07:53] <nimbupani> yeahhh
803. # [07:53] <shichuan> tw2113, twitter site is dman slow, i am wondering if they actually have a engineering team
804. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> err grind
805. # [07:53] <nimbupani> quite unlike bloody starbucks
806. # [07:53] <shichuan> *damn
807. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> starbucks grind like every 5-10 minutes
808. # [07:54] <nimbupani> not the same
809. # [07:54] <chromedFiz> all coffee taste like dirt i dunno why people spend so much money on dirt
810. # [07:54] <nimbupani> O_O
811. # [07:54] <nimbupani> coz we are hipsters
812. # [07:54] <tw2113> it's an acquired taste
813. # [07:54] <tw2113> much like beer
814. # [07:54] <antonkovalyov> much like everything
815. # [07:54] <antonkovalyov> except for chocolate
816. # [07:55] <nimbupani> o yet to acquire any taste for it O_O
817. # [07:55] <tw2113> i grew a taste for expensive beer :D
818. # [07:55] <chromedFiz> lol
819. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> chocolate is awesoooome
820. # [07:55] <nimbupani> only dark chocolate
821. # [07:55] <tw2113> don't pester me with budlight
822. # [07:55] <chromedFiz> stimulants are bad emmm kay
823. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> just for you nimbupani i am gonna find the most hipsterish place in berkeley
824. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> with the best coffee
825. # [07:55] <nimbupani> OKAY
826. # [07:55] <nimbupani> yes
827. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> and i will make a blind taste, starbucks v. indie
828. # [07:55] <antonkovalyov> we'll see
829. # [07:55] <nimbupani> and report back!
830. # [07:56] <nimbupani> yes
831. # [07:56] <nimbupani> it WILL BE BETTEr
832. # [07:56] <tw2113> blog post it
833. # [07:56] <antonkovalyov> hm
834. # [07:56] <antonkovalyov> how do you find hipster places?
835. # [07:56] <tw2113> with a hipster compass
836. # [07:57] <antonkovalyov> yelp has the best rating for peet's
837. # [07:57] <nimbupani> o gross
838. # [07:57] <nimbupani> follow the college crowd
839. # [07:57] <nimbupani> or where homeless-like but clean people hang out
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841. # [07:57] <tw2113> hate mainstream things
842. # [07:57] <xonecas_> anyone able to clone repos?
843. # [07:57] <antonkovalyov> hmm
844. # [07:57] <xonecas_> from git?
845. # [07:57] <nimbupani> is github not down?
846. # [07:57] <tw2113> github is down
847. # [07:57] <xonecas_> its back up
848. # [07:57] <xonecas_> I guess somewhat
849. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> github is up!
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851. # [07:58] <xonecas_> if not, thats the loguest 20m maintenance I've seen
852. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> woohoo
853. # [07:58] <tw2113> antonkovalyov look for people who look like these http://www.latfh.com/
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855. # [07:58] <nimbupani> no no no
856. # [07:58] <antonkovalyov> haha
857. # [07:59] <tw2113> if they're carrying anything pabst blue ribbon related...it's a good bet
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859. # [07:59] <antonkovalyov> i know how hipsters look like
860. # [08:00] <antonkovalyov> i live in berkeley and work in san francisco
861. # [08:00] <tw2113> good point
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863. # [08:00] <nimbupani> o its not too far
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865. # [08:00] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: should come to hayward, and see the gangsta hipsters ahah
866. # [08:01] <tw2113> lol http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0grrxPzKC1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg
867. # [08:02] <tw2113> oh yeah, i love hipsterhitler.com
868. # [08:02] <nimbupani> i hope you visited the sci-fi museum antonkovalyov
869. # [08:02] <nimbupani> best thing ever
870. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, oh yeah it was awesome
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872. # [08:02] <nimbupani> i h ear some star wars exhibit is gonna come
873. # [08:02] <nimbupani> ?g scifi museum star wars
874. # [08:02] <bot-t> nimbupani, Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame, Seattle, Washington - http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/22516
875. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> i actually was looking for the ghost in the shell poster
876. # [08:02] <nimbupani> did you find one?
877. # [08:02] <antonkovalyov> need to look again
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879. # [08:03] * tw2113 needs to manage to afford to leave SD from time to time
880. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> nah i gave up after like a day :)
881. # [08:03] <nimbupani> he he he
882. # [08:03] <nimbupani> i got the tron poster from the film forum sale last june
883. # [08:03] <nimbupani> new tron tho :/
884. # [08:03] <thatryan> tw2113: dont worry, i drove to sf for meetup last week and that counted as my finally leaving the house this month ;)
885. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> oh dont start me on tron
886. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> HATE HATE HATE
887. # [08:03] <antonkovalyov> dumbest storyline ever
888. # [08:04] <tw2113> thatryan you do realize that SD = South Dakota
889. # [08:04] <nimbupani> ?slap antonkovalyov
890. # [08:04] * bot-t slaps antonkovalyov around a bit with a large trout
891. # [08:04] <antonkovalyov> :_D
892. # [08:04] <nimbupani> how can you?
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894. # [08:04] <nimbupani> who cares about the story line!?!
895. # [08:04] <thatryan> tw2113: nope! lol in cali SD is San Diego dammit!
896. # [08:04] <antonkovalyov> i do!
897. # [08:04] <nimbupani> as tho TOS had any!
898. # [08:04] <nimbupani> its just awes shit
899. # [08:04] <xonecas_> ahah the new tron had a sucky story, but it was awesome in Imax 3d :-)
900. # [08:04] <tw2113> yeah, i hate that part thatryan
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902. # [08:04] <nimbupani> so cute and adorbs
903. # [08:04] <tw2113> i heard (and saw) that the original tron had a weak storyline and awesome graphics
904. # [08:05] <tw2113> at least for the early 80s
905. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> YOD?
906. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> err
907. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> TOS?
908. # [08:05] <thatryan> i have not seen any trons
909. # [08:05] <nimbupani> ?w star trek TOS
910. # [08:05] <bot-t> nimbupani, Star Trek: The Original Series - Star Trek is a science fiction television series, created by Gene Roddenberry, that was telecast in the United States of America and southern Canada by NBC-TV from September 8, 1966, through June 3, 1969. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series
911. # [08:05] <thatryan> LONG LIVE TNG!
912. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> ah
913. # [08:05] <nimbupani> well i am happy tron exists
914. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> tos has a better storyline
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916. # [08:05] <nimbupani> it has literally none
917. # [08:05] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: no yuo!
918. # [08:05] <tw2113> star wars > star trek
919. # [08:05] <xonecas_> nimbupani: I'm with you I like tron
920. # [08:05] <tw2113> and even then, i'm no huge fan
921. # [08:05] <antonkovalyov> or the first star wars
922. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> jesus, how dumb it is :)
923. # [08:06] <thatryan> man we are dorks
924. # [08:06] <xonecas_> thatryan: ahahahha
925. # [08:06] <nimbupani> rllly antonkovalyov you have no taste
926. # [08:06] <nimbupani> how dumb it seems
927. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> on the other hand, look at ghost in the shell
928. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> or blade runner
929. # [08:06] <nimbupani> thats precisely the idea!
930. # [08:06] <nimbupani> its just cheesy lovable shit you grow up with
931. # [08:06] <nimbupani> even tho i watched tron for the first time last year
932. # [08:06] <tw2113> nerdiest thing I tend to watch is Big Bang Theory
933. # [08:06] <tw2113> at least in the traditional sense
934. # [08:06] <antonkovalyov> i watched tron for the first time a few weeks ago
935. # [08:07] * xonecas_ is angry at github because its not letting me clone a repo :-(
936. # [08:07] <nimbupani> but i can IMAGINE being nostalgic about tron
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938. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> nostalgic — yes
939. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> calling it a good movie — no :)
940. # [08:07] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: but you can't call it a bad movie
941. # [08:07] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, it is not black and white :)
942. # [08:07] <nimbupani> good movie is a matter of opinion
943. # [08:07] <xonecas_> a bad movie is the attack of the killer tomatoes, thats a bad movie
944. # [08:08] <tw2113> JAR JAR BINKS IS THE GREATEST EVA!
945. # [08:08] <xonecas_> I'm sure there is an aceptable rating that will make everyone happy ahaha
946. # [08:08] <tw2113> jk don't hurt me
947. # [08:08] <nimbupani> boring only avatar is next on sfm
948. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> hackers forever!
949. # [08:08] <thatryan> tw2113: go sit in the corner
950. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> i actually like hackers :)
951. # [08:08] <xonecas_> anton me too
952. # [08:08] <thatryan> i like angelina jolie
953. # [08:08] <antonkovalyov> but the movie is dumb
954. # [08:09] <tw2113> ick! thatryan go sit in te other corner
955. # [08:09] <xonecas_> operation swordfish :-)
956. # [08:09] <tw2113> the
957. # [08:09] <thatryan> lol
958. # [08:09] <nimbupani> ha ha ha
959. # [08:09] <nimbupani> even i laughed at it
960. # [08:09] <antonkovalyov> i also like the lawnmower man
961. # [08:09] <thatryan> as long as she comes with me
962. # [08:09] <antonkovalyov> and that movie is not dumb, as far as i remember
963. # [08:09] <tw2113> as long as she stays away from me
964. # [08:09] <thatryan> matrix part 3 what what! :/
965. # [08:09] <tw2113> same with megan fox
966. # [08:09] <xonecas_> ?w lawnmower man
967. # [08:09] <bot-t> xonecas_, The Lawnmower Man - "The Lawnmower Man" is a short story by Stephen King, first published in the May 1975 issue of Cavalier, and later collected in King's 1978 collection Night Shift. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawnmower_Man
968. # [08:10] <xonecas_> thatryan: matrix one > matrix 2 && 3
969. # [08:10] <antonkovalyov> too bad they never made a sequel to matrix
970. # [08:10] <antonkovalyov> the first one was great
971. # [08:10] <xonecas_> there shouldn't be an argument there :-P
972. # [08:10] <tw2113> i'm slowly downloading The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
973. # [08:10] <nimbupani> animatrix was good too
974. # [08:11] <thatryan> xonecas_: very very true
975. # [08:11] <thatryan> but my last tweet beats them all bwahahaha
976. # [08:11] <antonkovalyov> http://xkcd.com/566/
977. # [08:11] <tw2113> mel brooks love?
978. # [08:11] <thatryan> blazing saddles!
979. # [08:12] <xonecas_> men in tights!
980. # [08:12] <xonecas_> history of the world part 2
981. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> nice
982. # [08:13] <xonecas_> mel brooks fanboy here
983. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> ghost in the shell poster 10 bucks
984. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> with frame — 100 bucks
985. # [08:13] <nimbupani> looters
986. # [08:13] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: ikea in emeryville has poster size frames for $20
987. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, orly
988. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> will check it out thanks
989. # [08:14] <xonecas_> my gf dragged me there yesterday... :-(
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993. # [08:14] <antonkovalyov> you can't live without a dresser, man
994. # [08:14] <xonecas_> I'll never understand that, and where do all the clothes come from
995. # [08:14] <xonecas_> antonkovalyov: I agree but do I really need 3?
996. # [08:14] <nimbupani> poor kids in china
997. # [08:15] <antonkovalyov> xonecas_, sometimes ;)
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999. # [08:16] <tw2113> i need to get the music playing in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqJ3iGBdOo
1000. # [08:17] <xonecas_> tw2113 you can use ffmpeg to strip the audio from an flv, but thats rather complicated, you're better off using torrents to find the song
1001. # [08:17] <tw2113> done that method before
1002. # [08:19] <xonecas_> can someone try to clone a repo, so that I'm sure its not only me?
1003. # [08:19] <tw2113> Permission denied (publickey).
1004. # [08:19] <tw2113> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
1005. # [08:20] <xonecas_> cool, its not only me. thanks.
1006. # [08:20] <xonecas_> I guess I'll download the tar ball, then send to dropbox, then wget it from the server
1007. # [08:21] <xonecas_> what a hassle
1008. # [08:21] <xonecas_> :-p
1009. # [08:21] <tw2113> or just do something else while github sorts their end out
1010. # [08:22] <xonecas_> short of sleeping or working, playing with a canvas el is all I got :-P
1011. # [08:23] <tw2113> sleep is what i'm doing soon
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1013. # [08:24] <tw2113> night all!
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1241. # [17:16] <kopanas> Can one use <figure> and <figurecaption> for an example like this https://skitch.com/johnbaku/rmdrr/running-ahead-of-oneself-flickr-photo-sharing or because the image is apart of the main flow of the document you have to use divs or something else?
1242. # [17:21] <miketaylr> s/<figurecaption>/<figcaption/
1243. # [17:22] <miketaylr> Sure, just do <figure><img><figcaption>Runningahead of oneself</figcaption></figure>
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1246. # [17:24] <kopanas> miketaylr: the spec just makes it sound like you can't use it in the context where the img is the focus of the page... or am I reading it wrong?
1247. # [17:25] <miketaylr> you're probably reading it wrong
1248. # [17:26] <miketaylr> ok, i see what you mean
1249. # [17:26] <miketaylr> "but that could, without affecting the flow of the document, be moved away from that primary content, e.g. to the side of the page, to dedicated pages, or to an appendix."
1250. # [17:27] <miketaylr> in this instance, where the use case is flickr and the point of the page is in fact the image/figure...you might just have an <article> with a <h1> below the image. or something.
1251. # [17:28] <kopanas> the spec is making me feel dirty...
1252. # [17:29] <miketaylr> that'll pass
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1261. # [17:41] <JonathanNeal> TL;DR means too long didn't read, right?
1262. # [17:41] <JonathanNeal> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues#issue/289
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1266. # [17:48] <miketaylr> yes
1267. # [17:48] <mike5w3c> JonathanNeal: yeah
1268. # [17:48] <JonathanNeal> mike5w3c ... same mike i knew from #whatwg?
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1270. # [17:48] <mike5w3c> hai
1271. # [17:49] <nimbupani> very same
1272. # [17:49] <vokoda> is HTML5 local storage designed to be written/read from non-browser local applications? I know it's possible because I'm doing it right now, but is this intended?
1273. # [17:52] <mike5w3c> vokoda: to the same local store that's being managed by a browser?
1274. # [17:52] <vokoda> that's a correct
1275. # [17:52] <vokoda> mike5w3c: essentially I want my local applications to be able to interact with webserver via the browser
1276. # [17:53] <mike5w3c> I think that's something that's outside what the spec concerns itself with
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1278. # [17:54] <mike5w3c> not that it's not intended
1279. # [17:57] <chipotle> hello my favorite channel on freenode!
1280. # [17:58] <chipotle> :)
1281. # [17:58] <chipotle> anyone here have any proposals they have sent prospective clients that i could view?
1282. # [17:58] <chipotle> a prospective client (non-profit NGO) has asked me to send a proposal (and bid) for phase 1 of their website, but i have never written one before!
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1284. # [17:59] <thatryan> chipotle: just include all proceeds go to me and you are golden! :D
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1286. # [18:00] <chipotle> thatryan: well, i actually need to work with a front-end designer, since i am not qualified... :)
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1296. # [18:02] <paul_irish> Evet: look for ecmascript on the polyfills page
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1298. # [18:04] <thatryan> chipotle: well hell then! :p
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1320. # [18:29] <Michael> hears
1321. # [18:29] <thatryan> lol
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1325. # [18:33] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish since they're trying to get me to txjs I may try to get you down here in September or sometime for a wedding, cough.
1326. # [18:33] <JonathanNeal> Not sure what the cough was for, but it felt right.
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1328. # [18:35] <paul_irish> sounds fair to me
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1331. # [18:37] <ACTRAiSER> morning
1332. # [18:37] <ACTRAiSER> sunny day in San Francisco.. love it
1333. # [18:37] * Michael waves
1334. # [18:38] <Michael> Nice. I stayed in Benicia for a couple weeks. I loved it
1335. # [18:38] <paul_irish> ?w benicia
1336. # [18:38] <bot-t> paul_irish, Benicia, California - Benicia is a waterside city in Solano County, California, United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benicia,_California
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1338. # [18:39] <danielfilho> ACTRAiSER: 11C in San Francisco... It is 30C in Sao Paulo.
1339. # [18:39] <danielfilho> And it's NOT THAT HOT.
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1353. # [19:04] <xonecas> paul_irish: I know you're new here, benitia is just across those 2 big ghettos: richmond and valejo...
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1356. # [19:06] <paul_irish> Ooooh i see it now. :)
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1359. # [19:06] <thatryan> lol all 3 are ghettos ;)
1360. # [19:07] <xonecas> eheh thatryan shhhhhh! you ruined it :-P bot-t made it sound so nice :-P
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1364. # [19:14] <thatryan> lol bot is a liar!
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1369. # [19:24] <nimbupani> http://nimbupani.com/notes-from-html5-readiness-hacking.html#comment-3566 paul_irish
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1371. # [19:25] <Nifty> Hey guys -- is it possible to make your app brick the android until you complete a certain objective/function?
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1373. # [19:26] <Nifty> paul_irish: you ever do android stuff?
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1375. # [19:26] <paul_irish> the internet just smited him for asking such a daft question.
1376. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> I got HTML5 canvas to handle up to 2,000 animated sprites for over 8 hours with no memory leaks
1377. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> :O :O :O
1378. # [19:27] <paul_irish> nice!!
1379. # [19:27] <paul_irish> hey TheEmpath.. i was wondering if i could get your help withs omething
1380. # [19:27] <TheEmpath> sup
1381. # [19:28] <paul_irish> TheEmpath: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/21
1382. # [19:28] <paul_irish> nimbupani: /me looks into our site traffic...
1383. # [19:29] <TheEmpath> paul_irish: that's easy
1384. # [19:30] <TheEmpath> 1.) Screw IE. Market share estimates are not reliable. 40%+ of browser doesn't mean anything, not when I've personally seen billion dollar companies have 9% of all transactions come from IE.
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1386. # [19:31] <TheEmpath> Is it a 9% you wouldn't have gotten otherwise due to browser problems? That's about as measurable as saying you know precisely how many sales you've lost due to browser issues.
1387. # [19:31] <paul_irish> lol
1388. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> 2.) One of the head guys over at AS3, G. Skinner, has created a library in JavaScript that basically allows you to treat HTML5 canvas like coding Flash.
1389. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> Easeljs.com
1390. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> Bitmap, BitmapSequences, the works.
1391. # [19:32] <paul_irish> yeah.. saw that. he built the piratesdaises game with it
1392. # [19:32] <TheEmpath> i think that is a poor example of his engine
1393. # [19:32] <paul_irish> you like it?
1394. # [19:33] <TheEmpath> im coding a high power server in node.js, which can sustain like 200+ connections
1395. # [19:33] <TheEmpath> pairing it with easeljs, which can handle 2000 png sequences
1396. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> and lets say 2k is a top end number, and we bounce it down to 1k. doing basic math, the 30x30px grid that makes up a map would take up 660 pngs, leaving me with 340 surplus pngs to use.
1397. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> if each png represents a player, and each player generates some additional special effect upon action, then thats 170 pngs
1398. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> then you apply the Z layers above the map, that puts me at placing up to 100 players on a Canvas
1399. # [19:34] <TheEmpath> without so much as a slow down on the client
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1401. # [19:35] <TheEmpath> 100+ players on a f***ing screen at the same time!? are you serious!?
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1403. # [19:35] <TheEmpath> easeljs meets my needs and since its alpha and open source, if i need to fine tune it, i can
1404. # [19:36] <paul_irish> i like it.
1405. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> the problem with pirateslovedaisies is that he has shadow support turned on, which bogs it all down
1406. # [19:36] <paul_irish> so easel's API is very friendly to flash folks?
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1408. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> its identical
1409. # [19:36] <paul_irish> brill.
1410. # [19:36] <TheEmpath> its just like AS3
1411. # [19:37] <TheEmpath> shadows should be drawn into the pngs, imo, for now until better methods are figured out or until all browsers have direct access to GPUs
1412. # [19:37] <TheEmpath> if you get rid of shadows, you'll have hundreds of more pngs you'll be able to draw
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1416. # [19:42] <davidmurdoch> how can I fire a -webkit-animation (@-webkit-keyframes) via javascript?
1417. # [19:42] <xonecas> TheEmpath: you seem to like the canvas el, do you know if you can use a @font-face familly within the canvas?
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1419. # [19:45] <TheEmpath> xonecas: Not sure. I'll be trying to stay exclusively within canvas redraws and less on the DOM.
1420. # [19:45] <TheEmpath> this includes interactives like buttons.
1421. # [19:46] <xonecas> some google searches suggest that I have to force the browser to preload the font, such like <div style="font-family: new_font;">.</div>
1422. # [19:46] <xonecas> but no cigar yet
1423. # [19:47] <TheEmpath> with things like this http://29a.ch/2010/3/24/normal-mapping-with-javascript-and-canvas-tag The DOM is like a pair of crutches.
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1427. # [19:49] <paul_irish> xonecas: you can. but yeah the asset has to be downloaded. also you should wait till window load to get the canvas rollnig
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1431. # [19:51] <Michael> #zftalk people are assholes.
1432. # [19:51] <Michael> I never would've thought php people to be elitists
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1434. # [19:56] <paul_irish> html5 surfboard.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewmcvickar/5385919380/ literally.
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1436. # [19:57] <thatryan> badass
1437. # [20:01] <danielfilho> hahaha
1438. # [20:01] <danielfilho> nice!
1439. # [20:03] <xonecas> I miss Portugal, at least the water wasn't freezing...
1440. # [20:03] <xonecas> I could surf back then :-(
1441. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> We're going to update Liferay dot com later this year.
1442. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> I think when we launched, we were one of a few corporate sites that went all HTML5 on everybody (on the site and in the product). Now we're totally in the midst.
1443. # [20:04] <JonathanNeal> So let's hope I don't screw it up again.
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1450. # [20:13] <xonecas> paul_irish: polyfill for canvasText? excanvas.js doesn't work :-(
1451. # [20:14] <paul_irish> ?g modernizr polyfills
1452. # [20:14] <bot-t> paul_irish, Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills - GitHub - https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
1453. # [20:14] <xonecas> thanks I just saw it :-)
1454. # [20:15] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/wiki/Current-development-status-
1455. # [20:16] <pluma> Polyfills for IE6 seem to mostly break my CSS in weird places. I'd rather not rely on them. I like the Universal IE6 stylesheet for that.
1456. # [20:17] <paul_irish> pluma: i mostly agree. i just like having the option available. i'll make the call whether its worth it
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1459. # [20:18] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: nice, and they're using css3 page transitions? Good.
1460. # [20:23] <JonathanNeal> I was worried they were using javascript animations.
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1462. # [20:24] <paul_irish> they used to be
1463. # [20:24] <JonathanNeal> jQTouch was pretty awful to work with, but it looked better than the jQuery mobile.
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1465. # [20:24] <JonathanNeal> I just got the GIT, do you know if they're using css3 on there yet?
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1467. # [20:25] <JonathanNeal> *than the jQuery mobile demos I had been playing with
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1471. # [20:34] <paul_irish> do not know
1472. # [20:35] <TheEmpath> Michael: PHP people aren'y elitists per say. I would say they are protectors of limited knowledge.
1473. # [20:36] <TheEmpath> I did php for 10 years and thought I was da man. Then I learned like 14 php frameworks, wrote 7 myself, learned AS3, Python, Node.js, jQuery, now HTML5... and i gotta say... php is dead to me
1474. # [20:36] <Michael> I've done PHP before too. PHP people were always easy to get because they're cheap and plentiful
1475. # [20:37] <TheEmpath> i'm tired of writing the same high-level solution over and over again. "Oh, your corporation hasn't figured out branching and tagging? ooooo"
1476. # [20:37] <Michael> I've always tried to stay away from it after using it for 8 years, but that is Disney's new technology stack, so..
1477. # [20:37] <TheEmpath> well, thats what happens when you go pure php!
1478. # [20:38] <Michael> Beats the heck out of what we had which was a proprietary java-based templating system called TEA
1479. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> php ftw!
1480. # [20:38] <Michael> still I'd rather use ruby+rails or python+django
1481. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> which are a bitch to get setup
1482. # [20:38] <davidmurdoch> php FTL
1483. # [20:38] <Michael> Rails is a lot nicer now
1484. # [20:38] <chromedFiz> php "just works" :P
1485. # [20:39] <danielfilho> java ppl thinks the same.
1486. # [20:39] <Michael> psh not in Windows with xdebug and zend server ce
1487. # [20:39] <danielfilho> boring.
1488. # [20:39] <Michael> I'm having to do a lot of manual configuration
1489. # [20:39] <TheEmpath> PHP a scripting language based on opportunism, not infrastructure.
1490. # [20:39] <chromedFiz> im sure python will get there but i tried to waste some time doing some web dev in python i just didnt have tht much spare time to just try and get an invironment setup
1491. # [20:39] <davidmurdoch> Program anything with *real* intellisense and you won't ever want to go back.
1492. # [20:40] <franksalim> program anything with a *real* REPL, and you won't ever want to go back
1493. # [20:40] <TheEmpath> python requires a totally different mindset
1494. # [20:40] <chromedFiz> yeah
1495. # [20:40] <TheEmpath> im a huge fan of node.js
1496. # [20:40] <chromedFiz> i just couldnt get there
1497. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> a server with callbacks that isn't C-based or Java.... great idea!
1498. # [20:41] <chromedFiz> node.js is new to me but it looks sweet i just dont know how powerful it can be
1499. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> and its single threaded, unlike python... also, great idea!
1500. # [20:41] <chromedFiz> load wise
1501. # [20:41] <TheEmpath> i have a 1.7ghz CPU, 256MB of RAM cloud server
1502. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> ran node on it with my custom node server i wrote... handled 80+ connections while broadcasting 200 requests per second
1503. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> took up 66% of one core of the CPU
1504. # [20:42] <TheEmpath> php/apache would have hit RAM limitations trying to do that
1505. # [20:43] <davidmurdoch> Program anything with *real* intellisense and REPL and you won't ever EVER want to go back.
1506. # [20:43] <davidmurdoch> :-p
1507. # [20:44] <chromedFiz> ive been in my own little php world for long time
1508. # [20:44] <TheEmpath> i find async programming to be more natural anyways.
1509. # [20:44] <TheEmpath> biggest problem with node is a javascript problem... its prototypical and inheritence doesn't operate like classic C++
1510. # [20:44] <xonecas> so I'm trying to load a font face kit inside a canvas, and I know the font is loaded (I shouw the font first then wait 5secs then create the canvas, and set the font) you can see it here: xonecas.com:8888 Anyone knows whats wrong?
1511. # [20:45] <TheEmpath> so things like "parents" and "children" aren't as prevelent
1512. # [20:45] <snover> TheEmpath: use something like dojo
1513. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> i've found that force fitting a convention on a language that never bothered with it has its drawbacksd
1514. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> processor wise at least.
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1516. # [20:46] <TheEmpath> doesn't dojo fire every constructor twice?
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1521. # [20:48] <xonecas> whoohoo I got it :_)
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1523. # [20:49] <chromedFiz> glad i could help
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1529. # [20:57] <JonathanNeal> https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/issues/issue/876
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1538. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> yay got node.js working on my server :P
1539. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> http://digitalfiz.com:9000
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1541. # [21:05] <chromedFiz> node_chat
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1551. # [21:12] <chromedFiz> can anyone else connect?
1552. # [21:13] <miketaylr> its hanging for me
1553. # [21:13] <chromedFiz> interesting
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1555. # [21:15] <chromedFiz> seems like its only accepting 1 client at a time
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1562. # [21:28] <chromedFiz> girhub still flaking out a little? lol
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1564. # [21:29] <chromedFiz> github
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1572. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> announcing amazon simple email service
1573. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> man google neds to step up and kill amazon
1574. # [21:41] <mokush> is it possible to detect dom changes in a container?
1575. # [21:41] <Evet> what is the best cdn ever?
1576. # [21:42] <chromedFiz> right now i prefer amaon but google now has google storage i think will be better once its open to everyone
1577. # [21:42] <chromedFiz> amazon
1578. # [21:42] <Evet> google storage is a cdn?
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1581. # [21:46] <tw2113> yes
1582. # [21:46] <tw2113> as far as i know :D
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1589. # [21:56] <Evet> i will use akamai \o/
1590. # [21:56] <danielfilho> ?g HSLa color picker paul irish
1591. # [21:56] <bot-t> danielfilho, RGBa & HSLa CSS Color | Trent Walton - http://trentwalton.com/2010/12/21/rgba-hsla-css-color/
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1593. # [21:57] <danielfilho> ?g convert hexa to hsla
1594. # [21:57] <bot-t> danielfilho, RGBa & HSLa CSS Generator for Internet Explorer | Journal | Kimili - http://kimili.com/journal/rgba-hsla-css-generator-for-internet-explorer
1595. # [21:58] <paul_irish> ?g mothereffinghsl
1596. # [21:58] <bot-t> paul_irish, Mothereffing HSL - http://mothereffinghsl.com/
1597. # [21:58] <paul_irish> BITCHEZ
1598. # [21:58] <danielfilho> i never remember the "mother effing"
1599. # [21:58] <danielfilho> ever.
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1604. # [22:00] <wiwms> hi
1605. # [22:00] <danielfilho> hey :D
1606. # [22:01] <Evet> is it good idea to put index.html to a cdn?
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1608. # [22:05] <danielfilho> imo, it depends on the control you have to purge it.
1609. # [22:05] <danielfilho> *to purge it's cache.
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1612. # [22:06] <danielfilho> how often it is updated?
1613. # [22:06] <Evet> danielfilho: never
1614. # [22:06] <danielfilho> well. go for it, then.
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1617. # [22:09] <Evet> danielfilho: im very excited that im gonna use Akamai \o/
1618. # [22:09] <danielfilho> Akamai rules.
1619. # [22:09] <danielfilho> for real.
1620. # [22:09] <danielfilho> we use it for videos.
1621. # [22:09] <danielfilho> it's amazing.
1622. # [22:09] <danielfilho> I used it on my previous work too.
1623. # [22:10] <Evet> hmm
1624. # [22:11] <danielfilho> i think google uses akamai for live streaming (youtube live and stuffs)
1625. # [22:12] <Evet> wow
1626. # [22:16] <Evet> is akamai good for very few files under 100KB?
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1642. # [22:38] <chromedFiz> azzz
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1662. # [23:02] <dgathright> http://twitter.com/#!/adjustafresh/statuses/29647780146323456
1663. # [23:02] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hfiXVQ @adjustafresh: Forget the @w3c HTML5 logo, I'm endorsing the @oatmeal Cheetah Balls version http://yfrog.com/h3dsovp Who's with me?
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1676. # [23:13] <mike5w3c> http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/
1677. # [23:14] <mike5w3c> "PhantomJS is a minimalistic, headless, WebKit-based, JavaScript-driven tool. … It has native support for different web technologies: DOM handling, CSS selector, JSON, Canvas, SVG, and of course JavaScript. … source code is just 250 lines of Qt and C++."
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1683. # [23:21] <Evet> danielfilho: what about internap?
1684. # [23:21] <danielfilho> hm, don't know
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1686. # [23:21] <danielfilho> be back later
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1689. # [23:28] <chromedFiz> looks like my cat was typing again lol
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1697. # [23:41] <tw2113> cgcardona, stop wetting yourself
1698. # [23:41] <cgcardona> I'm cleaning up as we speak :D
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1700. # [23:43] <cgcardona> you mess with rails or ruby at all tw2113 ?
1701. # [23:43] <tw2113> ya
1702. # [23:43] <cgcardona> your thoughts?
1703. # [23:43] <tw2113> it's not good to wet yourself in public
1704. # [23:43] <tw2113> oh you meant about rails?
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1706. # [23:44] <cgcardona> of course :p
1707. # [23:44] <tw2113> never touched it before
1708. # [23:45] <cgcardona> i'm confused - didn't you just say "ya?"
1709. # [23:45] <tw2113> oops
1710. # [23:45] <tw2113> somehow i thought you said "mean"
1711. # [23:46] <tw2113> it's not my day
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