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# Session Start: Wed Jan 26 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:07] <JonathanNeal> If you ever want your day back, you'll have to go through me.
# [00:07] <JonathanNeal> It's MINE NOW!
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# [00:49] <n20> Alright, I don't really know where to ask this question, but here we go.
# [00:50] <n20> Has anyone else noticed that applying contenteditable="true" to a <div> displays a black-like caret when it's not in focus?
# [00:51] <snover> black-like
# [00:51] <snover> so, grey?
# [00:51] <n20> Oh, I put my like on the wrong end of caret heh.
# [00:51] <n20> caret-like
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# [00:54] <n20> http://data.fuskbugg.se/dipdip/2011-01-26-004952_1600x900_scrot.png <--- screenshot
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# [00:57] <n20> snover: Any idea?
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# [01:09] <BrianBlakely> *sigh* My "whatwg" tag has 800 unread emails -_-'
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# [01:34] <paul_irish> apparently exponential notation isnt allowed inside a hsl color definition. a bug!
# [01:35] <snover> I don’t think exponential notation is allowed anywhere inside CSS?
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# [01:45] <paul_irish> and why not?
# [01:45] <paul_irish> clearly nobody understands the value of something like: body { padding: 1e3px; }
# [01:45] <paul_irish> :p
# [01:51] * JonathanNeal nods
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# [02:13] <chromedFiz> lol
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# [02:16] <chromedFiz> aparently fdisk thinks like this "oh you want to write this bin to /dev/sdc ok we're gonna wipe the partition table for /dev/sdb too
# [02:18] <chromedFiz> 300gb of stuff vanished before my eyes
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# [02:28] <n20> I feel your pain chromedFiz.
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# [02:37] <nimbupani> ?tel antonkovalyov THNXXXXX http://gyazo.com/df0b1200c9666c0ec1901963f253e166.png
# [02:37] <bot-t> nimbupani, Couldn't find "tel antonkovalyov THNXXXXX http://gyazo.com/df0b1200c9666c0ec1901963f253e166.png" in jQuery Docs.
# [02:37] <nimbupani> oops
# [02:37] <nimbupani> never mind then botty
# [02:39] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, looks good :)
# [02:39] <nimbupani> :D thx again antonkovalyov
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# [02:47] <chromedFiz> blasted gpart couldnt find the most important partition
# [02:47] <chromedFiz> found the useless swap partition though
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# [04:22] <shichuan> what do you guys think is the potential drawback of this approach? http://www.debeterevormgever.nl/html5-ie-without-javascript/
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# [04:23] <grantg> ugh
# [04:24] <grantg> paul_irish: I want to shoot the dev that failed at decoding video for youtube
# [04:24] <grantg> The syncing of audio and video in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r17vzxauRSY was corrupted by youtube. :/
# [04:24] <paul_irish> grantg: that's not very nice..
# [04:24] <paul_irish> what format was your source file
# [04:24] <grantg> seriously though, WTF YouTube?
# [04:24] <tw2113> just club him in the kneecap with bacon
# [04:24] <paul_irish> shichuan: ugly ass markup.
# [04:24] <grantg> h.264
# [04:25] <paul_irish> shichuan: i dont think it prints either.
# [04:25] <grantg> .mov file from quicktime
# [04:25] <grantg> h.264 can't be decoded right? WTF?
# [04:25] <shichuan> paul_irish: yea, it's quite messy :)
# [04:25] <shichuan> quite bloated if it's used
# [04:26] <paul_irish> yeah
# [04:26] <grantg> paul_irish: That was another youtube video of a game running in my emulator.
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# [04:26] <grantg> :|
# [04:26] <tw2113> is that a bad thing?
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# [04:27] <snover> shichuan: doing that basically removes the whole purpose of using html5 elements to begin with
# [04:27] <snover> shichuan: an assistive device is not going to know what an “html5:section” element is
# [04:27] <snover> it only knows what a “section” element is
# [04:28] <tw2113> the way i see it grantg, it's better to have your product used than not
# [04:28] <grantg> heh
# [04:28] <tw2113> unless it's a video completely bashing and ripping it apart
# [04:28] <tw2113> then rip their kneecaps out
# [04:28] <grantg> tw2113: Nintendo / Kirby fans will be disappoint at youtube for messing up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r17vzxauRSY
# [04:30] <grantg> heh
# [04:30] <tw2113> yeah, never bothered with that game
# [04:30] <grantg> :P
# [04:30] <grantg> tw2113: Did you ever play classic gameboy?
# [04:30] <grantg> heheh
# [04:30] <tw2113> yup
# [04:30] <tw2113> still have a gameboy colr
# [04:31] <grantg> Maybe I should do a pokemon red video too
# [04:31] <tw2113> color*
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# [04:31] <grantg> tw2113: The boot ROM in every gameboy color - http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/res/gbcDump.php
# [04:31] <grantg> got to love it. :P
# [04:32] <grantg> It's what lets you change the colors of a classic B/W game as well as the general startup logo shit.
# [04:32] <tw2113> ;)
# [04:32] <grantg> and sets up the RAM to be zero'd
# [04:33] <grantg> And the CPU accumulator register to the GBC identifier value.
# [04:33] <grantg> ;)
# [04:33] <snover> wasn’t that the bios that wasn’t dumped until like…a year or two ago?
# [04:33] <grantg> yup
# [04:34] <grantg> I have a PHP script that converts it to a readable hex array
# [04:34] <grantg> :D
# [04:34] <grantg> 1 year
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# [04:34] <grantg> just over
# [04:36] <grantg> snover: heheheheh
# [04:36] <xonecas> grantg: don't hate the dev who handles encoding. I just spent all day figuring out how to optimize encoding with ffmpeg, and guess what? today sucked ass :-(
# [04:36] <grantg> The secret is listening for a write on the undocumented boot rom lockout register. ;)
# [04:38] <grantg> heh
# [04:39] <shichuan> snover: yea, not to mention the potential seo issue
# [04:40] <snover> xonecas: video encoding is complicated. get over it :P
# [04:40] <snover> be glad you are not responsible for writing the algorithms that actually do the work
# [04:40] <grantg> still
# [04:40] <grantg> youtube is worth billions
# [04:40] <grantg> and is owned by the google borg. :P
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# [04:41] <grantg> I expected better.
# [04:41] <tw2113> so how was the state of the bunion report?
# [04:41] <grantg> Boehner tried not to spasm out
# [04:41] <tw2113> makes you wonder how much h.264 is worth it
# [04:42] <grantg> Since he was sitting behind obama
# [04:43] * grantg runs for cover on inticipation of questions on how to incorportate the boot rom into the emulator. :P
# [04:43] <grantg> duck and cover
# [04:43] <grantg> w/ a hard hat
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# [05:13] <grantg> silence is golden. :D
# [05:16] <snover> what’s inticipation?
# [05:17] <grantg> *anticipation
# [05:17] <grantg> :P
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# [05:22] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/SzD8X.jpg
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# [05:25] <dgathright> ^ lawl
# [05:26] <tw2113> worth it
# [05:26] <grantg> Shit like this - http://i.imgur.com/PYgfA.png
# [05:29] <tw2113> dang, reddit actually loaded my inbox fast today
# [05:29] <tw2113> i think their downtime last night was server maintenance stuff
# [05:30] <grantg> heh
# [05:31] <Brodingo> saw your pokemon video grantg
# [05:31] <grantg> ok
# [05:32] <grantg> This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojDWQ_Vtho
# [05:32] <Brodingo> yeah
# [05:32] <grantg> mind == blown ?
# [05:33] <Brodingo> pretty much. runs great, sounds great.
# [05:33] <grantg> thanks
# [05:33] <Brodingo> does it work better in ff?
# [05:33] <grantg> yed
# [05:34] <grantg> *yes
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# [05:34] <grantg> Because only firefox 4 beta supports native audio sample writing right now
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# [05:41] <dgathright> grantg: Wow, that's badass, nice work.
# [05:41] <grantg> thanks
# [05:43] <shichuan> grantg: awesome
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# [05:45] <grantg> A wild Ke$ha appears: http://i.imgur.com/ZY0iO.jpg
# [05:50] <dgathright> I was focused on work, but now I'm forced to browse reddit for the next half hour. Thanks guys.
# [05:51] <grantg> Don't do it! Reddit has viruses!
# [05:51] <tw2113> you're welcome
# [05:51] <grantg> Digg is virus free and gives you free anti-virus software, so use Digg instead. :P
# [05:51] <grantg> xD
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# [06:09] <chromedFiz> weeeeee
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# [06:21] <xonecas> grantg: *clap* *clap* *clap* awesome work man :-) thats really cool!
# [06:21] <grantg> heh
# [06:21] <xonecas> does it work with other games too?
# [06:21] <grantg> yes
# [06:22] <grantg> gameboy and gameboy color
# [06:22] <grantg> *you* load in the ROMs
# [06:22] <xonecas> mario? on the browser? Don't release that color, I'll be fired!
# [06:22] <xonecas> *code
# [06:22] <grantg> And it really does work the best with Firefox 4 (I wish I could say the same for chrome)
# [06:22] <grantg> too late
# [06:22] <paul_irish> wtf
# [06:22] <paul_irish> why not chrome
# [06:22] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online
# [06:23] <xonecas> oh no, I need an url to test this out :-)
# [06:23] <grantg> paul_irish: Chrome sucks on blitting and can
# [06:23] <grantg> paul_irish: Chrome sucks on blitting and can't do native audio
# [06:23] <tw2113> give them time, can't have everything at once :P
# [06:23] <grantg> no equivalent "mozWriteAudio" in chrome
# [06:23] <grantg> :/
# [06:24] <grantg> xonecas: Supports the file api, so you can load in stuff from your desktop
# [06:25] <grantg> For anyone who did not catch the url in the video of the emulator: http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
# [06:25] * xonecas is gone to super mario land, his social life will miss him!
# [06:25] <grantg> lol
# [06:25] <grantg> FTW
# [06:25] <xonecas> Its so smooth!
# [06:26] <grantg> xonecas: Remember - for full speed use Firefox 4.
# [06:26] <grantg> unfortunately just Firefox 4 *for now*
# [06:26] <grantg> paul_irish: I want perf in chrome as badly as anyone else right now.
# [06:26] <xonecas> roger (i saw you write that earlier, so I'm using it)
# [06:26] <grantg> :P
# [06:27] <xonecas> I can't help to wonder, can I save game?
# [06:27] <grantg> yes
# [06:27] <grantg> look at what I did in the video
# [06:27] <paul_irish> grantg: i heard this bulk of this has landed as of... yesterday http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/specification/specification.html
# [06:27] <grantg> You'll notice I launched right from a save
# [06:27] <xonecas> sorry I didn't finish the video, I got too excited
# [06:27] <grantg> paul_irish: Still not on my chrome mac beta build
# [06:28] <grantg> Though I've been testing it in the webkit audio build of safari
# [06:28] <xonecas> grantg: build and compile chromium, you'll be surprised
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# [06:28] <grantg> Super-slow still in the safari webkit auio build
# [06:29] <grantg> xonecas: There's a Date.getTime bug in webkit causing frameskip to fuck up
# [06:29] <xonecas> grantg: thanks, I'm gonna play a little bit :-) congrats again, this is awsome!
# [06:29] <grantg> So I don't know how it'd be "smooth" in chrome.
# [06:29] <paul_irish> grantg: no it'll only be in nightly chromium builds
# [06:29] <xonecas> ok ff will be
# [06:29] <paul_irish> grantg: is the getTime bug reported?
# [06:29] <grantg> xonecas: FF 3.6 sucks * a lot*, only 4 works fine
# [06:29] <grantg> paul_irish: nope
# [06:30] <grantg> I need to report this shit
# [06:30] <paul_irish> can you please?
# [06:30] <grantg> I'm listening for a time diff of 17 ms, but webkit always does that + 1
# [06:30] <paul_irish> http://ejohn.org/blog/a-web-developers-responsibility/
# [06:30] <grantg> even when it's executing ontime
# [06:30] <grantg> every 17 ms for setInterval
# [06:31] <grantg> webkit seems to ceil it or always add one to the getTime value
# [06:31] <grantg> ugh
# [06:31] <grantg> ok
# [06:31] <grantg> I time things to the millisecond, so this means a lot to me. :|
# [06:32] <grantg> meh
# [06:32] <grantg> Trying to wait for my HD youtube video to process
# [06:32] <tw2113> i must be bored if i'm strolling through my following list on twitter looking for potentially good skype contacts
# [06:32] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR3z3PHG3rI
# [06:33] <grantg> forever alone on the processing queue (AGAIN)
# [06:34] <grantg> paul_irish: Can you test case this?
# [06:34] <grantg> the getTime bug?
# [06:34] <grantg> I hate time mmath, but it seems to be webkit's fault here
# [06:34] <paul_irish> i can repro a test case that you make...
# [06:34] <grantg> *math
# [06:35] <grantg> try to save the timestamp and compare it against the last one generated once every 17 ms
# [06:35] <grantg> via setInterval
# [06:35] <grantg> curr time - last time
# [06:36] <grantg> webkit seems to always add 1 ms to it
# [06:36] <grantg> even when the setInterval loop is clearly doing the right amount of executions per milliseond
# [06:36] <grantg> *millisecond
# [06:37] <paul_irish> can you write the testcase? i'm busy preparing for a talk right now :/
# [06:37] <grantg> ok, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR3z3PHG3rI is finally up
# [06:37] <thatryan> any idea why youtube video would not show up in chrome? it did an hour ago, now it looks blank. though if you click in its area it will play, just cant see it!
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# [06:41] <grantg> paul_irish: ok
# [06:43] <thatryan> paul_irish: yo
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# [06:55] <thatryan> paul_irish: are you around dude
# [06:55] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/hxl_8t20k5di.png
# [06:56] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: so whats your point? :D
# [06:56] <thatryan> lol
# [06:56] <thatryan> guess he can slide, he only has a day left :p
# [06:56] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: would you have any idea why youtube video would hide in chrome
# [06:57] <antonkovalyov> what do you mean hide
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# [06:57] <thatryan> you have chrome handy?
# [06:58] <antonkovalyov> i never close chrome :)
# [07:00] <thatryan> lol
# [07:01] <JonathanNeal> brb
# [07:01] <thatryan> http://textmateuser.com check the second post down, you see a big open white area? lol
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# [07:01] <thatryan> there IS a youtube vid there, it WAS there when i published it... now it is like hidden? but if you click, it still plays.. the audio
# [07:01] <antonkovalyov> i see youtube video that
# [07:01] <thatryan> not blank?
# [07:02] <antonkovalyov> no. are you sure you don't have flash block? can you reproduce the same thing in the incognito window?
# [07:03] <thatryan> is flashblock a plugin or something i would have turned on? lol cause i never did...
# [07:04] <antonkovalyov> usually an extension. to test if extension fucks something up just open the same page in the incognito (shift-command-N)
# [07:04] <antonkovalyov> incognito turns off all extensions by default
# [07:05] <thatryan> same thing
# [07:05] <thatryan> blank area, but click in it and audio plays still
# [07:05] <antonkovalyov> restart the browser?
# [07:05] <antonkovalyov> what version?
# [07:05] <thatryan> uh. 8.0.552.237
# [07:05] <antonkovalyov> dev channel sometimes has a bug with flash where video is not working
# [07:06] <antonkovalyov> do you see flash on youtube.com?
# [07:06] <antonkovalyov> do you see the video from the third post (vimeo i think)
# [07:06] <thatryan> weird, not the main banner on home page... but clicking on a youtube vid i see it play
# [07:07] <thatryan> yeah my vimeo one it the html5 embed
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# [07:07] <antonkovalyov> restart did not help?
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# [07:09] <thatryan> yeah it did.. on the second one
# [07:09] <antonkovalyov> same bug then
# [07:09] <thatryan> weiird
# [07:09] <antonkovalyov> i haven't noticed it in dev channel in a while
# [07:09] <thatryan> http://cl.ly/1k1z0E0M3R2m1x3A0B2l
# [07:09] <thatryan> i also get that when it starts lol
# [07:10] <antonkovalyov> did you downgrade your chrome?
# [07:10] <thatryan> yes
# [07:11] <antonkovalyov> oh
# [07:11] <antonkovalyov> well, create a new profile :)
# [07:12] <thatryan> how
# [07:12] <thatryan> ;)
# [07:13] <thatryan> gotta write a shell script? lol
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# [07:15] <antonkovalyov> google it
# [07:15] <antonkovalyov> it is in Application Data or something like that
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# [15:49] <serio> apple site update fail
# [15:49] <serio> anybody ever notice how a lot fo their stuff totally borks in chrome?
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# [15:53] <Bennit> localstorage is html5 right? cos I'm strungling with it in a google chrome extension
# [15:53] <Bennit> is there no .contains method on it?
# [15:56] <miketaylr> no Bennit
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# [15:58] <miketaylr> Bennit: the api is super simple, http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#storage-0
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# [15:59] <Bennit> well all i found from api (http://www.rajdeepd.com/articles/chrome/localstrg/LocalStorageSample.htm#section3) was set, clear and get
# [16:01] <Bennit> and remove item
# [16:01] <Bennit> mkay, then i'll just wrap my items in functions returning them, as otherwise I can't store false and still check if the item is in the store
# [16:02] <miketaylr> if (localStorage.getItem(foo)) {} ?
# [16:02] <Bennit> ?
# [16:03] <miketaylr> that's checking if foo is in the storage object
# [16:03] <Bennit> localStorage['foo'] = false;
# [16:03] <miketaylr> which is what you're asking about, right?
# [16:03] <miketaylr> check for undefined then?
# [16:04] <Bennit> hmm thought that was the same in JS
# [16:04] <Bennit> apparently not :)
# [16:04] <miketaylr> well, implicitly, sometimes. :)
# [16:05] <Bennit> yes apparently
# [16:05] <Bennit> thanks :)
# [16:05] <Bennit> my solution was kindof overkill :D
# [16:07] <Bennit> this is gonna sound silly but this means you can't put undefined in it
# [16:07] <Bennit> well and see if it's actually in there or n ot
# [16:08] <Bennit> and with my solution you can
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# [16:26] <miketaylr> yes, that sounds silly
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# [16:26] <miketaylr> :)
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# [16:28] <Jarvix> Apple.com using html5 now :D
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# [16:31] <beevi7> paul_irish i've just watched your "10 things i learned from jquery source" screencast. enjoyed it a lot, thank you ;)
# [16:32] <beevi7> cornification of the jquery api is one of the most awesome and useful things i've ever seen on the whole internet
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# [16:57] <Bennit> http://pastebin.com/rwNNuhCy # am I trying to use localstorage wrong? can it only store stringvalues?
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# [17:05] <paul_irish> only strings.
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# [17:14] <Pewpewarrows> hmm, so my full-width header has a drop shadow, which on FF & IE causes a horizontal scrollbar to always be present because the header tries to make a shadow to the right after it "ends". overflow-x hidden on the body won't work because that prevents legitimate scrolling issues. any ideas?
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# [17:28] <paul_irish> paulrouget: how are you doing the shadow
# [17:29] <beevi7> $('header').wrap('<div style="width: 100%; overflow: hidden;" />);
# [17:29] <beevi7> ?
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# [17:30] <paulrouget> paul_irish: where?
# [17:31] <Pewpewarrows> beevi7: thanks, I ended up doing something similar to that in the css
# [17:31] <Pewpewarrows> works great :)
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# [17:31] <paul_irish> whoops.. Pewpewarrows.. not paulrouget.
# [17:31] <paulrouget> ok
# [17:32] <paul_irish> but i guess you got it figured out
# [17:32] * JonathanNeal nods
# [17:32] <paul_irish> jon jon jon jonathan NEAAAAAAAAL
# [17:32] <Pewpewarrows> IRC needs better name autocomplete
# [17:32] <paul_irish> hey jon its paul
# [17:32] <JonathanNeal> hey paul_irish
# [17:32] <JonathanNeal> what's happenin, I started work on a library free live search.
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# [17:32] <JonathanNeal> autocomplete="off" isn't part of the spec, is it.
# [17:33] <JonathanNeal> I wanted to disable autocomplete on the live search since I'm kinda doing insta-search.
# [17:33] <Pewpewarrows> JonathanNeal: that's what I always remember doing
# [17:33] <Pewpewarrows> no idea if it's proper or not :/
# [17:33] <paul_irish> it's not in a spec, i believe, but it works everywhere
# [17:33] <paul_irish> ?mdc autocomplete
# [17:33] <bot-t> paul_irish, Autocomplete - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Autocomplete
# [17:33] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, but for a spec live search, breaking spec?
# [17:34] <paul_irish> guh xul
# [17:34] <paulrouget> :)
# [17:34] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i think it's okey.
# [17:34] <Pewpewarrows> well if there's no other way to disable it
# [17:34] <Pewpewarrows> then I think you're fine
# [17:34] <paul_irish> disable it with script..
# [17:35] <paul_irish> as if manipulating the element with script to avoid the markup validation errors is really any better.
# [17:35] <Pewpewarrows> it's not shadow dom area?
# [17:35] <JonathanNeal> the little drop down thing.
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# [17:38] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: you know the namespaced html5shim w/o js solution? i forget.. if its in markup from the start is it OK from a print perspective?
# [17:39] <JonathanNeal> nojs solution = You don't use unsupported elements
# [17:39] <JonathanNeal> Especially if you want it to print.
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# [17:40] <Pewpewarrows> neat JS protein viewer: http://jolecule.appspot.com/
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# [17:46] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: k thats what i thought but the guy's site who discusses the technique never mentions printing
# [17:47] <JonathanNeal> Yea, neither did we for quite some time.
# [17:47] <paul_irish> :)
# [17:53] <JonathanNeal> Gonna give Sufjan's new thing a listen.
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# [17:53] <JonathanNeal> Purchased it from bandcamp, about time he got some of my money.
# [18:05] <miketaylr> JonathanNeal: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-input-element-attributes.html#the-autocomplete-attribute The attribute has three states. The on keyword maps to the on state, and the off keyword maps to the off state. The attribute may also be omitted. The missing value default is the default state.
# [18:06] <JonathanNeal> sweet, thanks miketaylr
# [18:06] <paul_irish> hawt
# [18:06] <paul_irish> miketaylr: you saw the dupeness of our type=color bug and that lucideer found it ages ago rite?
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# [18:06] <miketaylr> yeah, saw you closed it
# [18:07] <miketaylr> i wonder if the fix is going to land in 11.01 or wait until 11.10
# [18:07] <paul_irish> yeah he found a way to trigger a reflow.
# [18:07] <paul_irish> same. i really dont want to wait until 11.10. i'll have to grab a daily build and see whats what
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# [18:10] <JonathanNeal> I've got something pretty solid for the json search, but sometimes I'm almost confused how simple it is.
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# [20:02] <tw2113> braaaaaain
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# [20:03] <NiftyLettuce> how do you update compass from .8.17 to .10+ ?
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# [20:06] <NiftyLettuce> http://beta.compass-style.org/
# [20:06] <NiftyLettuce> oops... nvm**
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# [20:10] <franksalim> gooooood morning
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# [20:17] <cgcardona> top of tha morning :)
# [20:17] <cgcardona> tw2113: :p
# [20:18] <tw2113> sup
# [20:18] <cgcardona> wadupwidit?
# [20:18] <cgcardona> just another wordpress install on my end
# [20:18] <cgcardona> and some html/css tweaks on an existing site
# [20:18] <cgcardona> u?
# [20:19] <cgcardona> *html5/css3 - but of course
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# [20:19] <tw2113> so basically you're tweaking a premade theme?
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# [20:21] <cgcardona> no - I am building a mockup that the client is going to sign off on and then I have to make the theme
# [20:21] <tw2113> ah
# [20:21] <cgcardona> right now it's just a static html/css page
# [20:21] <tw2113> i'm trying to figure out how to exclude some categories with the the_category() call
# [20:21] <cgcardona> hmm
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# [20:25] <tw2113> yeah, it's not easy
# [20:25] <tw2113> unless you have a set list of categories that won't change ever
# [20:25] <cgcardona> thats not likely
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# [20:26] <tw2113> tags are even less static
# [20:28] <tw2113> here's what i have so far cgcardona http://wordpress.pastebin.com/7k1yQA5Q
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# [20:31] <cgcardona> nice code
# [20:31] <cgcardona> $mycats as $thecat = sweet
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# [20:31] <cgcardona> heh
# [20:32] <tw2113> at one point, i typed it as thekat
# [20:32] <tw2113> i think i know of too many people that go by that name
# [20:32] <tw2113> "kat"
# [20:32] <cgcardona> 7h3k47
# [20:32] <cgcardona> ^_^
# [20:33] <tw2113> nerd
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# [20:33] <tw2113> freaking close buttons
# [20:33] <cgcardona> nice time to call someone a nerd :P
# [20:34] <tw2113> i said it to a mirror too
# [20:34] <Evet> which books you suggest for html5?
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# [20:34] <cgcardona> diveintohtml5 of course
# [20:34] <tw2113> i imagine Introducing HTML5 by Bruce Lawson and Remy Sharp is good
# [20:34] <cgcardona> and the books here http://tantek.com/2011/024/b1/w3c-updates-html5-logo-messaging-faq
# [20:35] <tw2113> I need to get myself a copy
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# [20:41] <Neiluj_> hey guys, want PDF generation from HTML5/CSS3 ? http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/
# [20:42] <Neiluj_> It uses the webkit engine, that's really awesome
# [20:42] <cgcardona> sweet
# [20:42] <Neiluj_> it does also perform javascript before exporting :) :)
# [20:42] <Neiluj_> no fpdf or html2pdf shit anymore...
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# [20:54] <antonkovalyov> ?tell paul_irish hey people complaining that when they download an archive, comments there are not translated. i can make a russian bundle :)
# [20:54] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
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# [21:16] <grantg> ok, so who downvoted this? - http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f97ua/kirbys_dream_land_2_running_inside_firefox_4_in_a/
# [21:16] <grantg> :/
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# [21:31] <thepacmanfan> i'm trying to get Flash fallback working with the audio tag...
# [21:31] <thepacmanfan> using this code: http://code.coneybeare.net/getting-html5-audio-tag-and-flash-fallback-to
# [21:31] <Pewpewarrows> does anyone here happen to know the lightest shade of white I can use to get a font to print close to white? every shade I've tried so far defaults back to black
# [21:32] <thepacmanfan> it doesn't work in Safari, or Firefox 4b10
# [21:32] <grantg> ewww
# [21:32] <grantg> flash
# [21:34] <thepacmanfan> well, i would just as soon use the audio element
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# [21:35] <JonathanNeal> I kinda wish I could make hover auto-focus all anchors on a page.
# [21:35] <thepacmanfan> but that's only working with Chrome 9
# [21:36] <thepacmanfan> even though everything i can find says html5 audio should work in Chrome, Safari, and Opera at the very least
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# [21:39] <JonathanNeal> thepacmanfan, yea it does
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# [21:40] <grantg> When in doubt, use WAV PCM
# [21:40] <thepacmanfan> and that Firefox supports it with WAV
# [21:40] <grantg> nearly every browser supports WAV PCM
# [21:40] <felcom> @font-face should work in Firefox 3.6 right?
# [21:40] <thepacmanfan> i'm using an MP3 right now, but can't get it to work with Opera or Safari even...
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# [21:41] <grantg> MP3 won't work with many browsers
# [21:41] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish
# [21:41] <antonkovalyov> bot-t seems to fail at his job
# [21:41] <thepacmanfan> according to this: http://html5doctor.com/native-audio-in-the-browser/ Chrome 6 didn't support WAV. is that still the case?
# [21:41] <grantg> WAV PCM sucks, but is very compatible
# [21:41] <grantg> It supports it now
# [21:41] <antonkovalyov> "?tell paul_irish hey people complaining that when they download an archive, comments there are not translated. i can make a russian bundle :)"
# [21:42] <grantg> chrome, opera, firefox, IE (bgsound tag!!!), safari, etc...
# [21:42] <grantg> support WAV PCM
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# [21:42] <thepacmanfan> ok, good
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# [21:43] <thepacmanfan> so with html5 audio + bgsound, i pretty much 98%+ compatibility, right?
# [21:43] <thepacmanfan> as PCM WAV
# [21:43] <grantg> yup
# [21:43] <thepacmanfan> k
# [21:43] <grantg> b/c WAV PCM is uncompressed audio
# [21:43] <jomn> hi, guys. how do i remove the quotationmarks from an web address easiest with jquery? E.G "www.mysite.com" -> www.mysite.com
# [21:43] <grantg> none of this compressed audio bullshit
# [21:43] <thepacmanfan> does doctype have to be HTML5 for the audio tag to work?
# [21:44] <grantg> you should have the doctype
# [21:44] <grantg> for compliance
# [21:44] <thepacmanfan> i'm betting most browsers don't support MP3 because of patent issues...
# [21:44] <thepacmanfan> k
# [21:44] <grantg> yeah
# [21:44] <grantg> *html5 doctype
# [21:44] <dgathright> jomn: Don't need jQuery. myString.replace('"', '');
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# [21:45] <grantg> screw jquery
# [21:45] <thepacmanfan> .... :(
# [21:45] <grantg> I've had no need for it
# [21:45] <thepacmanfan> <3 jQuery
# [21:45] <grantg> And DOM works in anything pretty muh since y2k
# [21:45] <grantg> even IE5 supports DOM 1
# [21:45] <danielfilho> ie5 rules our world.
# [21:46] <grantg> lol
# [21:46] <danielfilho> ie5 is the new webkit.
# [21:46] <danielfilho> isn't it?
# [21:46] <thepacmanfan> :D
# [21:46] <danielfilho> oh sorry. wrong channel.
# [21:46] <danielfilho> :D
# [21:46] <thepacmanfan> i pretty much don't test sites in IE6 anymore
# [21:46] <thepacmanfan> the sooner it dies the better
# [21:46] <danielfilho> I do test them just to feed my ego.
# [21:47] <danielfilho> but we don't have too. We've made a page for IE6 users here.
# [21:47] <danielfilho> http://ie6.ig.com.br
# [21:47] <thepacmanfan> very nice
# [21:48] <danielfilho> the text says: you're using a very old version of internet explorer and, without update it, won't be able to enjoy the complete experience to browse on iG and all it's content.
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# [21:50] <jd823592> Hello, i would like to do the following but i dont know how, if anybody knows please let me know: I have ordered list (or unordered, doesnt matter) and i would like to have a line between every parental node and its children.. (example: as tree folder hierarchy in your file manager)
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# [21:56] <Michael> Any conferences going on this year that are worth going to?
# [21:57] <danielfilho> jsconf?
# [21:57] <Michael> ooo looking
# [21:57] <Michael> Apparently Disney will send me to 1 conference per year
# [21:58] <Pewpewarrows> I always hear good things about Google's IO
# [21:58] <Michael> yeah me too
# [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> or see if you can get away with going to BlizzCon to play diablo and starcraft :P
# [21:59] <danielfilho> but isn't IO only about google?
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# [22:00] <Michael> Pewpewarrows, haha that would be dangerous
# [22:00] <Pewpewarrows> it's google-centric, but I seem to recall always hearing about other neat developments in the web community
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# [22:00] <Michael> I have 3 level 85s
# [22:00] <Michael> so hmm
# [22:01] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: hmmm i dont know the best way to solve that problem.. hmm
# [22:01] <bot-t> (1 hour 6 mins 6 secs ago) <antonkovalyov> tell paul_irish hey people complaining that when they download an archive, comments there are not translated. i can make a russian bundle :)
# [22:01] <antonkovalyov> bot-t, you fail
# [22:01] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Is that a question?
# [22:01] <Pewpewarrows> when they showed off live javascript debug editing last year in chrome I thought they were making it up
# [22:01] <paul_irish> ti's real.
# [22:01] <paul_irish> it works.
# [22:02] <Pewpewarrows> ya :)
# [22:02] <antonkovalyov> wait what is that
# [22:02] <antonkovalyov> where can i get htat
# [22:02] <antonkovalyov> that*
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# [22:04] <Pewpewarrows> oh did someone say they were working on git browse here? I seem to recall someone mentioning that they might start working on it
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# [22:08] <danielfilho> I want it too.
# [22:08] <danielfilho> where is? GIMME! :D
# [22:09] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov & danielfilho: just go to the scripts tab and double click anywhere to edit w/o having to reload
# [22:09] <danielfilho> I like to use command-line git. But I downloaded tower git and it's being good so far.
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# [22:19] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: what pewpew said.. doubleclick anywhere inside scripts tab.
# [22:19] <paul_irish> EDIT THAT ON THE FLY
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# [22:20] <thepacmanfan> ok, got a wav audio file working in all but IE and Safari 5...
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# [22:20] <antonkovalyov> AWESOME
# [22:20] <antonkovalyov> so paul_irish do you make that bundle manually?
# [22:21] <antonkovalyov> the simplest thing would be to make a branch and just merge it with master from time to time
# [22:21] <paul_irish> its just a snapshot from the repo at a specific tag
# [22:21] <paul_irish> we dont have any of the transblock's in the real codebase.
# [22:21] <paul_irish> which makes it a bit tricky
# [22:21] <paul_irish> but it's doable.
# [22:22] <antonkovalyov> ya
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# [22:39] <thepacmanfan> hmm... got my doctype up to snuff for HTML5, and my audio file still isn't playing in Safari 5...
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# [22:50] <paul_irish> thepacmanfan: does safari support pcm wav?
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# [22:53] <danielfilho> haha
# [22:54] <monteslu> you know what would be a cool bit of browser/html5/javascript functionality? Being able to set permissions to automatically print something from certain domains without the need for user interaction
# [22:54] <danielfilho> a coworker is watching paul_irish's video about things learned from jquery source :D
# [22:54] <danielfilho> great video btw :D
# [22:55] <danielfilho> well, out to dinner. bbl
# [22:55] <dgathright> Ahhh... developers who actually view their JS library's source. Those are few & far between.
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# [22:57] <paul_irish> monteslu: that would be cool.
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# [23:01] <monteslu> paul_irish, have a use case where I'm replacing a win32 app that automatically prints forms when user submits a job. The html replacement is not so seamless.
# [23:01] <paul_irish> i can imagine
# [23:01] <monteslu> right now I'm actually considering embedding javascript print() into the pdf code
# [23:02] <monteslu> feels, more than a little dirty
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# [23:03] <thepacmanfan> paul_irish: i was told safari supports it, yes.
# [23:04] <paul_irish> lets see what the modernizr source sez
# [23:04] <thepacmanfan> http://html5doctor.com/native-audio-in-the-browser/ this chart says it supports "WAV"
# [23:04] <paul_irish> http://modernizr.github.com/Modernizr/annotatedsource.html
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# [23:05] <paul_irish> thepacmanfan: yup. http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/appleapplications/reference/SafariWebContent/CreatingContentforSafarioniPhone/CreatingContentforSafarioniPhone.html sez u got wav
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# [23:06] <paul_irish> cool urls, bro
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# [23:06] <felcom> http://jsfiddle.net/felcom/EqdEc/ this @font-face works in chrome, but not in FF or IE, any ideas?
# [23:07] <thepacmanfan> sweet. i didn't know where to go for docs.
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# [23:08] <thepacmanfan> to be fair, i'm testing Safari on Windows, not iOS
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# [23:23] <paul_irish> felcom: i see no reason that wouldnt work
# [23:24] <felcom> me either =\ maybe one of the files are corrupted or bad, gonna try the font-squirrel util and see if that fixes
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# [23:32] <antonkovalyov> oh maaan
# [23:32] <antonkovalyov> apparently we used some old version of jslint
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