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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 27 00:00:00 2011
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  7. # [00:17] <cgcardona> y?
  8. # [00:18] <snover> antonkovalyov: :]
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  14. # [00:25] <BrianBlakely> Hey guys, is it safe to start using JS Strict Mode today? Will it kill anyone?
  15. # [00:26] <BrianBlakely> Or, more specifically, will browsers that don't support Strict Mode care if I throw it in there?
  16. # [00:26] <snover> no browsers support it afaik so um
  17. # [00:26] <dgathright> it will kill baby bunnies. So if you want that on your shoulders, then sure.
  18. # [00:26] <snover> you will probably be broken and not realise it
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  20. # [00:26] <dgathright> but yeah, no browsers support strict AFAIK
  21. # [00:26] <dgathright> good for future compatibility though.
  22. # [00:27] <dgathright> I use it
  23. # [00:27] <BrianBlakely> Oh, I assumed Chrome supported it, at least. I was Googling for support as I asked the question
  24. # [00:27] <tw2113> just do, cgcardona
  25. # [00:28] <BrianBlakely> Considering I don't know whether my code is compliant yet, I probably shouldn't be using it without that confirmation
  26. # [00:28] <dgathright> and no, browsers ignore it if they don't support it. That's what it is triggered as a simple string defined at the top.
  27. # [00:28] <BrianBlakely> Thanks for the help fellas
  28. # [00:28] <BrianBlakely> dgathright: Much appreciated
  29. # [00:28] <dgathright> np
  30. # [00:29] <antonkovalyov> snover, seriously though
  31. # [00:29] <antonkovalyov> i got an error about unexpected whitespace
  32. # [00:29] <snover> antonkovalyov: no, seriously, dude is nuts :)
  33. # [00:29] <antonkovalyov> UNEXPECTED WHITESPACE!
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  36. # [00:34] <snover> Personally, I do run it with strict whitespace turned on
  37. # [00:34] <snover> but you know, that’s the whole thing about it: choice
  38. # [00:34] <snover> like, it complains at me for where I put some of my operators when splitting lines
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  44. # [00:38] <dgathright> wondering why the strictness with whitespace in JSLint. Pretty much everything is in there for a reason. Don't seen much info about that error @ http://www.jslint.com/lint.html
  45. # [00:38] <dgathright> But, maybe it could just be a style/convention thing.
  46. # [00:39] <snover> it’s mostly style/convention
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  48. # [00:40] <snover> like for instance, function () instead of function() because if was a named function, it would be function name()
  49. # [00:40] <snover> just little shit like that
  50. # [00:42] <antonkovalyov> snover, so you don't do chains?
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  53. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> snover, something like chain().doSmth().\n\s\s\s\sdoSmthElse() breaks
  54. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> very annoying
  55. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> i just put it under strict whitespace option
  56. # [00:44] <snover|away> antonkovalyov: because you dot whitespace functioncall instead of whitespace dot functioncall
  57. # [00:44] <snover|away> it still poops on me in one spot where I am doing a function call using array notation
  58. # [00:44] <antonkovalyov> i understand why, i don't understand how it is important
  59. # [00:44] <snover|away> anyway, bbl
  60. # [00:44] <antonkovalyov> laters
  61. # [00:54] <dgathright> antonkovalyov: Explanation for the no-whitespace-after-dot rule. http://www.jameswiseman.com/blog/2011/01/24/jslint-messages-a-dot-following-a-number-can-be-confused-with-a-decimal-point/
  62. # [00:55] <dgathright> Another reason, thought I'm not sure what Crock means by the relaxation of reserved words in ES5 - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jslint_com/message/1448
  63. # [00:57] <dgathright> glad to see reserved words will be allowed as properties in ES5 though.
  64. # [00:57] <antonkovalyov> dgathright, ya that can happen. but prohibiting chains because of this is overkill
  65. # [00:57] <antonkovalyov> never ever in my life i had such bug
  66. # [00:58] <dgathright> I prefer the dot starting the line as opposed to ending it. But, that's just personal preference.
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  70. # [01:07] <TheEmpath> having great success with canvas!
  71. # [01:07] <TheEmpath> question about optimization
  72. # [01:08] <TheEmpath> say i have images outside of the canvas's viewport
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  76. # [01:09] <TheEmpath> when i go my context.drawImage and its outside of the viewport
  77. # [01:09] <TheEmpath> will it still go through the image and draw it even if it isn't on the canvas?
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  79. # [01:10] <TheEmpath> if not, then freaking awesome
  80. # [01:10] <TheEmpath> if so, then thats a major resource waste :/
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  82. # [01:19] <paul_irish> TheEmpath: hmmm won't drawImage throw an exception if you're placing it at a position that doesnt exist?
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  84. # [01:22] <TheEmpath> hrmm
  85. # [01:22] <TheEmpath> im about to find out!
  86. # [01:22] <TheEmpath> looks like ill have to try/catch
  87. # [01:22] <TheEmpath> cuz i shoudl still be able to move crap off the screen
  88. # [01:23] <TheEmpath> and if i draw it, it should just ignore the draw request if its off the canvas LOS
  89. # [01:23] <TheEmpath> otherwise, you'll be right back where Flash is with having tons of assets permanently in memory regardless of LOS
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  94. # [01:31] <paul_irish> TheEmpath: it'd probably be a lot more effective to see if x and y are > the canvas width/height
  95. # [01:31] <paul_irish> and not draw in that case
  96. # [01:31] <paul_irish> would be a lot less costly than a try/catch exception
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  99. # [01:38] <paul_irish> hey what do you guys think about an #html5 office hours.. like 90 minutes every few weeks where paulrouget and me and some html5doctor guys and remy.. all are here and all of us can tackle questions from the developer hordes. yesss?!
  100. # [01:40] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Uh — YES
  101. # [01:40] <BrianBlakely> Say, anyone know of a validator for JS Strict?
  102. # [01:40] <snover> BrianBlakely: jslint *runs*
  103. # [01:40] <BrianBlakely> Srsly?
  104. # [01:41] <BrianBlakely> JSLint THREEquels Strict Mode?
  105. # [01:41] <snover> It has some strict mode something in it
  106. # [01:41] <snover> I dunno if it is just a check for the 'use strict'; string or more or what
  107. # [01:41] <BrianBlakely> So you don't really know if it follows the same rules?
  108. # [01:42] <BrianBlakely> Sorry, not following completely
  109. # [01:42] <franksalim> paul_irish: isn't that how an IRC channel normally operates? except maybe less of a free-for-all?
  110. # [01:46] <BrianBlakely> snover: I'll give JSLint a go, see if it really follows Strict Mode guidelines. Thanks
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  114. # [01:46] <snover> fua.
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  116. # [01:47] <snover> bot-t: Tell BrianBlakely it’s just a parser/tokenizer, it will not be able to tell you if you are doing some illegal runtime operation
  117. # [01:47] <bot-t> snover, Okay.
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  119. # [01:49] <paul_irish> franksalim: yeah the idea is like... make an event out of it.. get involvement from a buncha folks.. have an end time.
  120. # [01:49] <paul_irish> rather than rely on people (like me) who like to idle and chitchat all day long
  121. # [01:50] <paul_irish> it would be really busy in here.
  122. # [01:50] <paul_irish> funn
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  126. # [01:54] <dgathright> BrianBlakely: JSLint will get you most of the way to strict mode compliance. JSLint is more focused on syntax, whereas strict-mode relies quite a bit on execution & context of variables, so I think we just have to wait until browsers come out with ES5 strict mode support to accurately verify code.
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  129. # [01:58] <dgathright> For example, eval() in strict mode cannot modify values outside of its scope. So checking for that in a simple linter could be near impossible.
  130. # [01:58] <dgathright> (I use "simple" lightly)
  131. # [02:01] <dgathright> Why are there no JSlint "yo dawg" meme pics?
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  158. # [03:34] <felcom> well finally figured out my @font-face problem...
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  160. # [03:35] <felcom> was being served via subdomain so I had to base64 encode
  161. # [03:35] <paul_irish> you know..
  162. # [03:35] <paul_irish> i was wondering about that
  163. # [03:35] <paul_irish> but your sample code did not come from a different subdomain
  164. # [03:35] <paul_irish> i guess the CSS was..
  165. # [03:36] <paul_irish> felcom: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess#L57-69
  166. # [03:36] <felcom> yeah, it didn't even dawn on me that it would matter
  167. # [03:36] <felcom> yeah i'll probably do that instead
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  182. # [04:03] <Pewpewarrows> is there a resource somewhere that says exactly what global variables are already taken in js for each browser?
  183. # [04:05] <snover> Pewpewarrows: that varies and changes constantly.
  184. # [04:06] <Pewpewarrows> well wouldn't it be constant for past versions of browsers?
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  191. # [04:29] <Pewpewarrows> Chrome has some ridiculous caching in place for unpacked dev extensions from your local machine
  192. # [04:29] <Pewpewarrows> mine will randomly start using code from a week ago after I reload an extension
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  203. # [04:46] <qq99> anyone else feel the <canvas> and all these new 3d js apps are unbearably slow? running at 1ghz dualcore is unbearable, running 2ghz dual core is OK but still <10fps
  204. # [04:46] <qq99> I'm not even talking super sophisticated apps either :/
  205. # [04:47] <paul_irish> what browser are you running?
  206. # [04:47] <paul_irish> ff3.6 or something?
  207. # [04:47] <qq99> yeah
  208. # [04:47] <paul_irish> :>
  209. # [04:48] <qq99> no hardware acceleration in ff3.6?
  210. # [04:48] * paul_irish is clearly psychic.
  211. # [04:48] <paul_irish> no. 3.6 has jack shit.
  212. # [04:48] <paul_irish> use FF4 beta.
  213. # [04:48] <qq99> oh, understood, thanks
  214. # [04:48] <paul_irish> :)
  215. # [04:48] <thatryan> heyo paul_irish what up
  216. # [04:48] <paul_irish> or... use chrome like a boss.
  217. # [04:48] <thatryan> LIKE A BOSS
  218. # [04:48] <paul_irish> ^^
  219. # [04:48] <qq99> I can't be without my noscript/adblock
  220. # [04:50] <paul_irish> qq99: there are both for chrome now.
  221. # [04:50] <paul_irish> there didnt used to be.
  222. # [04:50] <paul_irish> now there is.
  223. # [04:50] <qq99> :o I will check this out right now
  224. # [04:50] <Sosby> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom
  225. # [04:50] <Sosby> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/odjhifogjcknibkahlpidmdajjpkkcfn
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  229. # [04:55] <Brodingo> i dont see any godamn snowflakes
  230. # [04:55] <Pewpewarrows> the chrome adblock guy is really doing it fulltime?
  231. # [04:55] <Pewpewarrows> impressive
  232. # [04:59] <chromedFiz> i thought it was foolish lol
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  236. # [05:13] <Pewpewarrows> depends how good is donation revenue is
  237. # [05:13] <Pewpewarrows> I doubt it's much though
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  258. # [06:18] <cgcardona> http://richwchan.com/2011/01/25/literally-drawing-the-html-5-logo-in-canvas-with-javascript/
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  263. # [06:31] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: added you on the fb's
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  265. # [06:32] <paul_irish> dont see any last name Lettuce.
  266. # [06:33] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: ? no
  267. # [06:34] <antonkovalyov> geez facebook
  268. # [06:34] <antonkovalyov> i remember somebody hating facebook
  269. # [06:34] <antonkovalyov> oh yeah, it was paul_irish
  270. # [06:35] <NiftyLettuce> antonkovalyov: no he was hating on the hot purple folk
  271. # [06:35] <antonkovalyov> the fuck is this :)
  272. # [06:35] <NiftyLettuce> you tell me
  273. # [06:36] <antonkovalyov> you sound like my college teachers
  274. # [06:36] <NiftyLettuce> you sound like my italian teacher who almost flunked me when I called him You in the informal conjugation
  275. # [06:36] <NiftyLettuce> said Tu instead of Lei or some shit
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  277. # [06:37] <NiftyLettuce> I told him that it was all hot pink's fault, then he said its okay, hot purple is to blame
  278. # [06:37] <NiftyLettuce> xD
  279. # [06:38] <antonkovalyov> oh god my brain
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  307. # [07:59] <mike5w3c> https://github.com/facebook/jsgamebench
  308. # [08:01] <mike5w3c> "code to exercise browsers under game-like conditions… exists to explore HTML5’s game performance limits"
  309. # [08:06] <NiftyLettuce> oye nice
  310. # [08:06] <NiftyLettuce> fb dev team?
  311. # [08:09] <mike5w3c> yeah
  312. # [08:09] <mike5w3c> Cory Ondrejka
  313. # [08:09] <mike5w3c> aka Cory Linden
  314. # [08:09] <mike5w3c> was CTO of Linden Labs
  315. # [08:09] <mike5w3c> Second Life
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  318. # [08:24] <jomn> hi, any good web tool for minifying CSS and JS files?
  319. # [08:25] <thatryan> ?yui
  320. # [08:25] <bot-t> YUI Library - http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
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  331. # [08:40] <mike5w3c> whoah
  332. # [08:40] <mike5w3c> is Joe Hewitt at Facebook now?
  333. # [08:42] <mike5w3c> I guess he is
  334. # [08:42] <mike5w3c> https://github.com/joehewitt
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  336. # [08:43] <mike5w3c> I guess he's been there for quite a while
  337. # [08:44] <mike5w3c> did the Facebook iPhone app
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  351. # [09:10] <dgathright> mike5w3c: Yup. Joe has been at Facebook for ~4 years. Came in with the Parakey acquisition.
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  357. # [09:12] <mike5w3c> dgathright: ah, OK
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  380. # [09:45] <phrearch> anyone an idea how to make fuzzy brushes for canvas?
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  450. # [12:17] <wpnew> the new logo html5 is like superman :D
  451. # [12:31] <okaycool> wpnew: ye!
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  458. # [12:43] <jetienne> im looking at CORS and the "Origin" header in request... i dont get it... from what i understand, the server will provide the rescource only if it likes the "Origin" header... but this header is provided by the client itself... so what prevent the client from lying ?
  459. # [12:44] <jetienne> it looks to me like .... "tell me if you are allowed... ah you are ?... then you are, take the rescource now"
  460. # [12:44] <jetienne> i dont see any security in this
  461. # [12:46] <jetienne> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt <- another version of this model, published 1st april tho
  462. # [12:46] <jetienne> what do i miss ?
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  486. # [13:57] <danielfilho> who needs an IIS server?
  487. # [13:58] <danielfilho> fucking jsonp application FALL because IIS can't handle that amount of requests.
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  545. # [16:06] <felcom> boo for designers insisting on angled shadows =(
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  585. # [17:34] <Evet> why the hell google make svg impossible?
  586. # [17:36] <Evet> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/01/kongregate-android-marketplace/
  587. # [17:36] <paul_irish> oh android. :( yeah. sucks.
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  596. # [18:03] <mike5w3c> http://lab.simurai.com/ui/zen-player/
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  602. # [18:14] <Evet> kool
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  608. # [18:20] <JonathanNeal> came up with this this morning http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-spec-live-search/
  609. # [18:20] <JonathanNeal> what think you?
  610. # [18:22] <Nakre> looks nice to me lol
  611. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> thanks Nakre
  612. # [18:23] <mike5w3c> JonathanNeal: what's it indexing? the section titles?
  613. # [18:23] <mike5w3c> dfn's?
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  615. # [18:24] <JonathanNeal> I dunno, some json page i downloaded from someone (that I think runs on whatwg or w3c)
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  617. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> Someone said "hey jon neal wanna make a live search of the html5 doc that would be like how a mobile app is" and after I freed my soul from some other obligations I made it.
  618. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> I think benschwarz asked for it. I could be totally wrong.
  619. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> and paul_irish
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  626. # [18:31] <JonathanNeal> mike5w3c, you would know more than I, right?
  627. # [18:32] <JonathanNeal> on this subject (cause I'd totally take you down in mario kart wii)
  628. # [18:32] <mike5w3c> heh
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  632. # [18:40] <JonathanNeal> heya paul_irish http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-spec-live-search/
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  635. # [18:43] <paul_irish> :D
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  637. # [18:44] <paul_irish> yup i think this is pretty much on point
  638. # [18:44] <thecolor3> hey everyone. Hows it going. I have a question. How many of you gave up on jw player for html5 integration and found a simplier solution?
  639. # [18:45] <JonathanNeal> thecolor3, I gave up on jwplayer years ago.
  640. # [18:46] <JonathanNeal> Most folks still use html5 video with a flash fallback like Video For Everybody @ http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody
  641. # [18:46] <thecolor3> http://pastebin.com/W4xv2uvB is my existing code for jwplayer that I have been using for a while but have no idea how to get it to work with just html5 instead and fallback
  642. # [18:46] <JonathanNeal> When I say "like" I mean "as seen at"
  643. # [18:47] <JonathanNeal> thecolor3, try using http://sandbox.thewikies.com/vfe-generator/
  644. # [18:47] <JonathanNeal> If you know the url, it will do most of the work for you, including the flash fallback for IE. It even supports JW Player.
  645. # [18:48] <thecolor3> sweet. Now the question I have is, what if you are dynamically loading content. Does it really matter?
  646. # [18:49] <JonathanNeal> It matters, you would probably want to generate html like you see in vfe-generator
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  648. # [18:49] <paul_irish> ^
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  651. # [18:49] <Michael> <
  652. # [18:50] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal, by dynamically loading I mean via js and its just a createplayer setup with the url and thrown into the container from js
  653. # [18:51] <thecolor3> so like a href="javascript: createplayer(../aviisha/1.mp4);")
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  655. # [18:54] <JonathanNeal> Yea, I follow you. So, write a script that generates that html :)
  656. # [18:55] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal: I can have the player play a single file np. thats supported easily
  657. # [18:55] <thecolor3> specifically in html5 with fall back
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  660. # [18:57] <JonathanNeal> yea
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  666. # [19:02] <thecolor3> Just the issue is figuring out what I need to change in the js to accomidate the fallback seamlessly
  667. # [19:05] <JonathanNeal> thecolor3, http://pastie.org/1503218
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  669. # [19:06] <JonathanNeal> try that
  670. # [19:06] <n20> How come I can't use autocomplete="on" on an input[type="email"]? It doesn't work, although Firefox indeed does save the password... :-(
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  672. # [19:07] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal: Enclosed with <script text/javascript of course?
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  674. # [19:08] <JonathanNeal> ... you betcha
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  677. # [19:08] <JonathanNeal> Or just <script> (cause you don't need the type="text/javascript")
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  681. # [19:11] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal: problem is that its disallowing auto creates based on <a href link
  682. # [19:11] <thecolor3> and its not creating it within the the ph I have setup within the site
  683. # [19:12] <Michael> paul_irish, Did we ever find a fallback for ruby notation?
  684. # [19:13] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal: but thanks I will try to take it from here ^_^
  685. # [19:13] <JonathanNeal> thecolor3, I think I set you off on the right direction.
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  687. # [19:14] <thecolor3> JonathanNeal: yea totally and thanks. I am sure it will take some time but will make my life easier
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  690. # [19:18] <n20> Shouldn't autocomplete="on" work on input[type="email"]?
  691. # [19:19] <n20> (inputs utilizing the email-type)
  692. # [19:19] <JonathanNeal> yea, that would make sense to me, n20
  693. # [19:20] <JonathanNeal> I think it was intended to, based on this old ms note from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533032(v=vs.85).aspx
  694. # [19:21] <JonathanNeal> I hate that I just references, msdn (like referencing w3schools)
  695. # [19:21] <JonathanNeal> *referenced msdn
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  697. # [19:21] <n20> JonathanNeal: However, it doesn't want to "display" the emails or something, even though it actually saves it in the local password vault. Really weird...
  698. # [19:21] <n20> JonathanNeal: I forgive you! ;-)
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  700. # [19:22] <JonathanNeal> n20, do you have an example online someone else can test?
  701. # [19:23] <n20> JonathanNeal: I'll set one up!
  702. # [19:23] <JonathanNeal> n20, also look at http://miketaylr.com/code/input-type-attr.html
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  704. # [19:24] <xonecas> JonathanNeal: sweet thing you made up there ! thank you!
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  706. # [19:25] <n20> Well, FF3.6 doesn't support the email-type quite yet --> parses it as text --> should be displaying correctly?
  707. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> xonecas, what did I do?
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  710. # [19:30] <xonecas> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-spec-live-search/
  711. # [19:30] <xonecas> that really nice
  712. # [19:32] <n20> JonathanNeal: Ok, that's plain weird - it works in my test case.
  713. # [19:35] <JonathanNeal> thanks
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  718. # [19:40] <paul_irish> Michael: yeah there is one of the page.
  719. # [19:40] <bot-t> (11 mins 50 secs ago) <boaz> tell paul_irish http://www.zeldman.com/2011/01/27/html5-vs-html/#comment-57989 <-- the debate is back on
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  725. # [19:56] <Michael> sweet
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  729. # [20:02] <felcom> does firefox have problems with margins (css) on html5 elements such as <header> and <footer> ?
  730. # [20:05] <felcom> it seems if I set a top/bottom margin on a child of a <header> or <footer>, the margin doesnt push the child away from the <header> or <footer>
  731. # [20:06] <felcom> instead it pushes the next parent, as if the <header/footer> wasn't containing it
  732. # [20:07] <felcom> padding works though
  733. # [20:08] <Pewpewarrows> hah where on earth is that HTML logo you were lounging by paul_irish?
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  736. # [20:09] <noxxten> felcon: why don't you use a html5 css reset? That would probably solve your issues :p.
  737. # [20:10] <felcom> i am =x
  738. # [20:10] <noxxten> ahh.
  739. # [20:11] <Pewpewarrows> felcom: I notice that on most browsers with the very first element on the page with margin-top, it'll bubble up and push the entire page down, never noticed it with a footer though
  740. # [20:11] <noxxten> target the element and add !important; into the css to make the margin/padding 0. if anything changes, then you have some styling going on somewhere. if not, then it isn't a margin or padding issue :p
  741. # [20:12] <felcom> Pewpewarrows: yeah i have that same problem in the header as well
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  743. # [20:14] <Pewpewarrows> my only solution to that was to add another wrapper and just give it some top padding
  744. # [20:14] <Pewpewarrows> I think, maybe that was for a different problem, I really don't remember anymore
  745. # [20:14] <jamund> are you doing display: block
  746. # [20:14] <felcom> yeah it's like certain html5 elements don't act as content containers
  747. # [20:14] <felcom> yeah in the reset
  748. # [20:14] <noxxten> it's usually a good idea to use the body itself as a wrapper if you can.
  749. # [20:15] <noxxten> that solves the issues for me at least.
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  766. # [20:35] <mike5w3c_> ya gotta love these Virtual Life Project guys
  767. # [20:35] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: tokyo
  768. # [20:35] <paul_irish> mike ^ brought us there.
  769. # [20:35] <Pewpewarrows> oh nice
  770. # [20:35] <mike5w3c_> http://www.dionyziz.com/
  771. # [20:35] <mike5w3c_> "greetings, human. I'm dionyziz, a daredevil of technology."
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  774. # [20:36] <mike5w3c_> HTML Love Bug
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  777. # [20:37] <JonathanNeal> love bug eh
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  779. # [20:37] <mike5w3c> maybe paul_irish should change his nick to html_love_bug
  780. # [20:38] * paul_irish is now known as html_love_bug
  781. # [20:38] <mike5w3c> heh
  782. # [20:38] <mike5w3c> excellent
  783. # [20:38] <JonathanNeal> oh em gee
  784. # [20:38] <html_love_bug> ♥
  785. # [20:39] <JonathanNeal> html_love_bug, love mike5w3c with puppies in paragraph tags
  786. # [20:39] <JonathanNeal> ... oh, it doesn't work like bot-t?
  787. # [20:39] <mike5w3c> kee hee hee
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  790. # [20:41] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/puppies-in-p/
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  793. # [20:42] <mike5w3c> now that's a photo
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  796. # [20:43] <mike5w3c> even Michelangelo never created nothing as wonderful as that photo
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  798. # [20:45] <felcom> ain't never seen no doggie not walkin that high
  799. # [20:48] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: you around?
  800. # [20:48] <antonkovalyov> ya
  801. # [20:48] <antonkovalyov> on the conf soon
  802. # [20:48] <antonkovalyov> and battery is dying
  803. # [20:48] <antonkovalyov> so might leave soon
  804. # [20:48] <antonkovalyov> sup?
  805. # [20:49] <thatryan> you are going tonight righ?
  806. # [20:49] <thatryan> will they check our names or something? how do they know if we were "in" and not on waiting list or whatever? ;)
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  811. # [20:50] <tw2113> i'm here!
  812. # [20:50] <tw2113> technically
  813. # [20:51] <thatryan> liar
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  815. # [20:54] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, they might check with the list of rsvps
  816. # [20:54] <antonkovalyov> or they won't care
  817. # [20:54] <antonkovalyov> prob the latter
  818. # [20:54] <antonkovalyov> it is just when it is full, security might turn people away
  819. # [20:55] <antonkovalyov> but it depends on the building and i've never been to that one
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  823. # [20:56] <thatryan> ah gotcha
  824. # [20:56] <thatryan> just wanted to make sure :)
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  829. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> html5 conf?
  830. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> html conf?
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  832. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> htm conf?
  833. # [21:00] <html_love_bug> lovebug conf
  834. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> ooo
  835. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> that conf
  836. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> i wanted to speak at that conf
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  841. # [21:07] <grantg> xonecas: saw your github watch. :P
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  850. # [21:16] <cgcardona> what is the best webpage to send to a client regarding the suckiness or IE?
  851. # [21:17] <noxxten> cgcardona: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=IE6+bugs+wikipedia
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  856. # [21:20] <noxxten> i've noticed everyone using html5 has held it up by using a JS shiv. But whats going to happen if someone visited the website without js enabled in IE6?
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  858. # [21:21] <tw2113> they get a messed up layout cause they won't have the html5 tags be styleable
  859. # [21:21] <tw2113> IE6 will ignore them
  860. # [21:22] <noxxten> yeah. I figured as such. So basically you either develop in html5, or develop the website to work in IE6. either or.
  861. # [21:23] <tw2113> or you use the shiv and develop for both
  862. # [21:23] <tw2113> and i really wonder why so many people worry about IE6+no js
  863. # [21:23] <tw2113> if someone is paranoid enough to not use js, they're likely not using IE6 as well
  864. # [21:24] <tw2113> and i think the numbers for those people are really really small
  865. # [21:24] <tw2113> jsut me though
  866. # [21:24] <tw2113> just*
  867. # [21:25] <noxxten> I just make the assumption that most IE6 users are office people with nazi's for their IT department. I've heard plenty of stories of IT forcing IE6 on the company and disabling javascript for 'security reasons' :\
  868. # [21:25] <noxxten> In a good situation, I would design for my target audience... But for this website I don't yet know who that is.
  869. # [21:25] <tw2113> my next statement there is "is your website something they need to be viewing while at work?"
  870. # [21:26] <snover> there’s no reason for a corporate IT department to enforce IE6 for day-to-day web browsing so there is really no reason to pay any credence to it at all at this point
  871. # [21:26] <noxxten> possibly.
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  881. # [21:35] <Pewpewarrows> http://exitfegs.co.uk/Sources.html
  882. # [21:36] <Pewpewarrows> don't worry guys, he says he used HTML5 and CSS3 to make the page
  883. # [21:36] <Pewpewarrows> future of the web right thur
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  892. # [21:40] <pumkinhed> hello #html, i got a quick q, i am using safari browser, and trying to use input type=number but when i use it in a form the only ones that get sent back to my webserver and the input type=text, the numbers just dont come back
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  894. # [21:40] <pumkinhed> anyone else experience this behavior
  895. # [21:40] <pumkinhed> ?
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  898. # [21:43] <Michael> hmm
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  900. # [21:43] <Michael> No I haven't
  901. # [21:43] <pumkinhed> shrug
  902. # [21:43] <Michael> Is number officially supported by safari?
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  904. # [21:43] <pumkinhed> yeah, it changes the iphone keyboard
  905. # [21:44] <Michael> So this is safari/iphone you're using?
  906. # [21:44] <pumkinhed> yep
  907. # [21:44] <Michael> And the values are not being sent to the webserver?
  908. # [21:44] <Michael> Hmm
  909. # [21:44] <tw2113> this isn't #html, this is #html5 :P
  910. # [21:44] <Michael> ^^
  911. # [21:44] <pumkinhed> afaik input type=number is a html5 attr, no?
  912. # [21:44] <JonathanNeal> Hey I made my own HTML5 logo @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/puppies-in-p/
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  914. # [21:44] <Michael> sfw?
  915. # [21:45] <tw2113> it has puppies
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  917. # [21:45] <JonathanNeal> yes, it's sfw
  918. # [21:45] <Michael> exactly why I asked
  919. # [21:45] <pumkinhed> what about my q isnt html5?
  920. # [21:45] <pumkinhed> is the input tag deprecated?
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  923. # [21:45] <tw2113> pumkinhed, in your intro paragraph you simply said #html
  924. # [21:46] <tw2113> was my only point
  925. # [21:46] <JonathanNeal> pumkinhed, no they decided to keep <input />
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  927. # [21:46] <pumkinhed> tw2113: ah being a pedantic nerd, gotcha
  928. # [21:46] <pumkinhed> ;-P
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  932. # [21:47] <pumkinhed> JonathanNeal: thanks, are those additional input types supposed to post?
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  935. # [21:48] <JonathanNeal> pumkinhed, miketaylr.com/code/input-type-attr.html
  936. # [21:48] <JonathanNeal> http://miketaylr.com/code/input-type-attr.html ^^
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  938. # [21:51] <pumkinhed> ah, cool. i am going to create a quick test form instead, maybe theres something about my form or the fact i am using jquery
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  940. # [21:58] <tw2113> hee, accidentally made a background image slider
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  948. # [22:08] <tw2113> heh, not often i can say that IE did something good
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  950. # [22:09] <tw2113> it made me realize i forgot to close an unordered list
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  970. # [22:59] <Mouldy_Punk> Hey guys. I've just started delving into HTML 5, but am unsure of when exactly to use the <article> and <section> tags. Consider a list of user messages, similar to Facebook's wall. Am I right in thinking that the wall as a whole would be an article, and each individual message would be a section?
  971. # [22:59] <nimbupani> its the other way around Mouldy_Punk
  972. # [22:59] <bot-t> (22 hours 30 mins ago) <coldhead> tell nimbupani http://www.abc.net.au/rn/futuretense/stories/2011/3092658.htm
  973. # [23:00] <Mouldy_Punk> nimbupani, Ah, right OK. That made more sense to me, but the stuff I found online seemed to suggest you have sections of articles rather than articles in sections - it was probably just the examples they were using. Thanks (:
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  986. # [23:08] <nimbupani> ?tell coldhead commented
  987. # [23:08] <bot-t> nimbupani, Okay.
  988. # [23:09] * antonkovalyo is now known as antonkovalyov_
  989. # [23:09] <mike5w3c> http://the-m-project.net/index.html
  990. # [23:10] <mike5w3c> https://github.com/mwaylabs/The-M-Project
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  992. # [23:10] <mike5w3c> "a server-agnostic JavaScript framework for mobile web apps"
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  997. # [23:17] <dgathright> wow, so the-m-project.com was already taken? yeesh...
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  1001. # [23:20] <dgathright> I imagine that Hell for domain squatters will be seeing that sex.com's registration expired and is available, only for them to get a "We're sorry, an error occurred, please try again." upon checkout. Which they experience for all eternity.
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  1013. # [23:32] <JonathanNeal> moooooon riiiiiiver
  1014. # [23:33] <nimbupani> ?g moon river
  1015. # [23:33] <bot-t> nimbupani, YouTube - moon river-breakfast at tiffany´s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOByH_iOn88
  1016. # [23:33] <JonathanNeal> :)
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  1019. # [23:55] <JonathanNeal> music.thewikies.com/random/Henry_Mancini_&_Audrey_Hepburn_-_Moon_River.mp3
  1020. # [23:56] <JonathanNeal> nimbupani: ^^
  1021. # [23:56] <nimbupani> woooooot
  1022. # [23:56] <nimbupani> thx JonathanNeal
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