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  6. # [00:05] <NiftyLettuce> hey guys not sure if anyone uses SASS here but I got a slight issue -- trying to find the right mixin to use for multiple bg images
  7. # [00:06] <nimbupani> yes NiftyLettuce I do
  8. # [00:06] <nimbupani> ?paste
  9. # [00:06] <bot-t> Please paste your code at http://jsfiddle.net/ . If that is down then you may use: http://paste.pocoo.org/+js , or http://fixee.org/
  10. # [00:06] <NiftyLettuce> http://pastie.org/private/sjzmhzanhmdbnqgakmhrfq
  11. # [00:07] <nimbupani> so what you trying to do NiftyLettuce
  12. # [00:07] <nimbupani> you want a mixin for the bg-img?
  13. # [00:07] <NiftyLettuce> I'm trying to have a search box that has a background image fallback and also a custom search image png on the right side
  14. # [00:07] <NiftyLettuce> like the little magnifying glass
  15. # [00:08] <nimbupani> your linear gradient syntax is wrong
  16. # [00:08] <nimbupani> btw
  17. # [00:08] <NiftyLettuce> ??
  18. # [00:08] <nimbupani> or wait are you trying to use the mixin?
  19. # [00:08] <NiftyLettuce> yes im trying to use the mixin
  20. # [00:08] <nimbupani> it doesnt work that way yet :/
  21. # [00:08] <nimbupani> afaik
  22. # [00:08] <NiftyLettuce> afaik?
  23. # [00:09] <NiftyLettuce> what is workaround
  24. # [00:09] <nimbupani> ?ud afaik
  25. # [00:09] <bot-t> nimbupani, afaik - as far as i know
  26. # [00:09] <NiftyLettuce> workaround?
  27. # [00:10] <nimbupani> dont use the mixin O_O
  28. # [00:10] <NiftyLettuce> oh boy
  29. # [00:10] <NiftyLettuce> how do I do that?
  30. # [00:10] <nimbupani> oh wait
  31. # [00:10] <nimbupani> http://beta.compass-style.org/examples/compass/css3/gradient/
  32. # [00:10] <nimbupani> thats how you do it i think.
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  34. # [00:11] <nimbupani> it is in compass tho and it is in beta
  35. # [00:11] <nimbupani> so you may not be able to use it if you are not using beta version of compass
  36. # [00:12] <NiftyLettuce> what version
  37. # [00:13] <nimbupani> Version: http://beta.compass-style.org/CHANGELOG/
  38. # [00:13] <nimbupani> sez on the site
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  73. # [01:26] <Fuld> Hi.
  74. # [01:26] <Fuld> Is there a way to pass base64-encoded data to HTML5 audio? xmlhttprequest() string from server, then load it into HTML5 audio with a data:// URI
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  79. # [01:30] <dunkel2> hello guys, how can i convert an avi or m4v to ogv guys to play my videos on web in firefox
  80. # [01:31] <Fuld> dunkel2, with zencoder. Next.
  81. # [01:31] <dunkel2> i was trying the ffmpeg2theora
  82. # [01:31] <dunkel2> but my video is not playing
  83. # [01:31] <dunkel2> firefox shows an X
  84. # [01:33] <Fuld> Zencoder or fail
  85. # [01:33] <Fuld> It's the only solution.
  86. # [01:34] <Fuld> Meh, I wouldn't bother with Firefox. Just use flash :)
  87. # [01:34] <dunkel2> :O
  88. # [01:34] <dunkel2> blasphemy!
  89. # [01:34] <dunkel2> lol
  90. # [01:34] <Fuld> There's some nice players that fallback to flash nicely
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  92. # [01:34] <Fuld> ;p
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  146. # [04:35] <Figaroo> in order to get HTML5 to work in IE6 you need javascript to create the elements?
  147. # [04:37] <nimbupani> thats the easiest way Figaroo
  148. # [04:37] <Figaroo> there's a harder way?
  149. # [04:37] <Figaroo> And is this only needed for IE6
  150. # [04:38] <nimbupani> no all the way to IE8
  151. # [04:38] <nimbupani> yes there are harder ways
  152. # [04:38] <nimbupani> ?g html5 ie no javascript
  153. # [04:38] <bot-t> nimbupani, How to get HTML5 working in IE and Firefox 2 | HTML5 Doctor - http://html5doctor.com/how-to-get-html5-working-in-ie-and-firefox-2/
  154. # [04:38] <Figaroo> what if the user doesn't have js enabled?
  155. # [04:40] <nimbupani> that would only be 1% of the users at the most.
  156. # [04:40] <nimbupani> reliable statistics indicate
  157. # [04:40] <nimbupani> so what would happen is they wont get styles and text will be inline
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  159. # [04:41] <nimbupani> http://www.debeterevormgever.nl/html5-ie-without-javascript/ is another way
  160. # [04:41] <nimbupani> tho it is pretty torturous
  161. # [04:41] <nimbupani> to do anyway other than the js way
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  164. # [04:45] <Figaroo> I'll just go with the JS way then
  165. # [04:45] <Figaroo> does this script cover all the elements?http://remysharp.com/downloads/html5.js
  166. # [04:46] <miketaylr> even some you don'tneed
  167. # [04:46] <nimbupani> :)
  168. # [04:46] <Figaroo> doesn't matter, I want them all to work on IE
  169. # [04:46] <miketaylr> Figaroo: that's a super old version, eventsource doesn't exist anymore
  170. # [04:46] <miketaylr> menu has been in IE for ages
  171. # [04:47] <miketaylr> <bb>???
  172. # [04:47] <miketaylr> dialog doesn't exist
  173. # [04:47] <nimbupani> ?html5shiv
  174. # [04:47] <bot-t> http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/
  175. # [04:47] <nimbupani> thats what you need to use Figaroo ^
  176. # [04:47] <miketaylr> http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/source/browse/trunk/html5-els.js
  177. # [04:47] <miketaylr> oops
  178. # [04:59] <tw2113> mike you don't log on skype much do you
  179. # [04:59] <tw2113> ;p
  180. # [05:00] <mike5w3c> eh?
  181. # [05:01] <tw2113> miketaylr, not mike5w3c
  182. # [05:01] <tw2113> sorry :D
  183. # [05:01] <mike5w3c> ah
  184. # [05:01] <mike5w3c> np
  185. # [05:01] <miketaylr> tw2113: nope, i hardly turn it on
  186. # [05:01] <miketaylr> why's that/
  187. # [05:01] <miketaylr> ?
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  189. # [05:02] <tw2113> i added you at one some point the past few weeks
  190. # [05:02] <miketaylr> oh cool :)
  191. # [05:02] <tw2113> never hurts to have good contacts there
  192. # [05:02] <miketaylr> i've got a skype meeting with brucel, so i'll see it then :P
  193. # [05:02] <miketaylr> ...tomorrow that is
  194. # [05:02] <tw2113> word
  195. # [05:06] <Figaroo> I can just hot-link to the js file hosted by google code?
  196. # [05:06] <Evet> hosting it in your server is better idea
  197. # [05:07] <Figaroo> nimbupani^
  198. # [05:07] <Figaroo> Evet: why is that?
  199. # [05:07] <Evet> Figaroo: your visitors wont connect to another computer
  200. # [05:07] <Figaroo> WHy is that better/
  201. # [05:07] <Figaroo> ?
  202. # [05:07] <miketaylr> O_o
  203. # [05:08] <Evet> new tcp connection == new overhead
  204. # [05:08] <miketaylr> it's 1 line, just jam it in the <head>
  205. # [05:09] <Figaroo> miketaylr: should I host the file or just link to the one hosted by google?
  206. # [05:09] <Evet> Figaroo: http://zoompf.com/blog/2010/01/should-you-use-javascript-library-cdns
  207. # [05:09] <miketaylr> Figaroo: is this for a site template? a one off page?
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  209. # [05:09] <tw2113> google CDN is likely to be rather reliable
  210. # [05:10] <tw2113> but it's still an extra request on a separate server
  211. # [05:10] <Figaroo> tw2113, but when they're cached they wont need to request anymore
  212. # [05:11] <tw2113> until the cache is cleared
  213. # [05:12] <miketaylr> it's not life or death, and the script is tiny. just do whatever works. </2cents>
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  215. # [05:12] <miketaylr> i've just put that script as a one-line inline <script> before any <link> elms
  216. # [05:13] <miketaylr> i spoke too soon
  217. # [05:13] <miketaylr> !
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  223. # [05:14] <Evet> if you want ultra-low latency for all of your visitors, it does matter
  224. # [05:15] <miketaylr> inline is as ultra-low as it gets
  225. # [05:18] <miketaylr> sad that the first result for 'w3c dom createElement' on google is some oracle docs :/
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  227. # [05:19] <Evet> does google put cookie for these hosted libraries?
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  230. # [05:21] <miketaylr> don't think so
  231. # [05:21] <miketaylr> oh, for google.code? dunno
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  236. # [05:25] <Figaroo> finished reading the article
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  239. # [05:29] <Figaroo> Sure if the user has a faster internet connection the point of using a CDN is nil. But if the user has fast internet connection the latency is very low to begin with. The point of using a CDN is when you're serving large files and your visitors have a slow internet connection. If the user has only 128 KBps, then a large library would be more useful if cached under a CDN.
  240. # [05:29] <Figaroo> idk, it doesn't matter really. Like miketaylr said, do what ever works. No need to get picky over 1/3 of a second. :\
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  242. # [05:30] <Figaroo> I might not use HTML5 element right now anyway. I can still just use classes on divs.
  243. # [05:31] <Figaroo> why is there no <content> element?
  244. # [05:37] <Figaroo> what element should hold the main content part of my site?
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  246. # [05:40] <daveyjoe> Can I use localstorage with a html/javascript file on my harddrive (file://) or does the file have to be served from a server (htttp://localhost/)?
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  249. # [05:48] <Pewpewarrows> Figaroo: I just use a section id="content"
  250. # [05:48] <Pewpewarrows> or main, or core
  251. # [05:49] <Figaroo> what's a section?
  252. # [05:49] <Figaroo> why not a div?
  253. # [05:50] <Pewpewarrows> http://diveintohtml5.org/semantics.html
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  255. # [05:51] <Pewpewarrows> if you don't want to read through the whole thing, search for "NEW SEMANTIC ELEMENTS IN HTML5"
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  257. # [05:52] <tw2113> mmmmmmm section
  258. # [05:54] <Pewpewarrows> it's always the movies that I have an urge to watch right this second that netflix happens to not have digital streams for :/
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  260. # [06:08] <Figaroo> is section like the new div?
  261. # [06:08] <nimbupani> noo
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  263. # [06:08] <nimbupani> Figaroo: really read that link above ^
  264. # [06:08] <Figaroo> I'm reading it. :P
  265. # [06:09] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fafng/junior_dev_thinks_he_can_charge_80hour_to_write/
  266. # [06:09] <Figaroo> I read the paragraph for section, I just don't understand what it means exactly?
  267. # [06:10] <Figaroo> It doesn't give any examples
  268. # [06:10] <Figaroo> wait it does
  269. # [06:10] <tw2113> semantics :D
  270. # [06:10] <Figaroo> I'm just wonder if it's supposed to be a div replacement?
  271. # [06:10] <tw2113> it can in some cases
  272. # [06:11] <tw2113> but sections are meant to have more specific case uses, and not fit for everything
  273. # [06:11] <Figaroo> Which specific use cases?
  274. # [06:11] <tw2113> if section isn't the best fit, there is zero wrong using a div instead
  275. # [06:12] <tw2113> A section, in this context, is a thematic grouping of content, typically with a heading. Examples of sections would be chapters, the tabbed pages in a tabbed dialog box, or the numbered sections of a thesis. A Web site's home page could be split into sections for an introduction, news items, contact information.
  276. # [06:12] <tw2113> for example
  277. # [06:13] <Figaroo> So a section is sort of a block of stuff?
  278. # [06:13] <tw2113> http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/ another article
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  280. # [06:17] <Figaroo> So a section is like a blog post. It's not as generic as div. I should use div#content for creating the main content portion of my site.
  281. # [06:18] <tw2113> i've been using article for posts
  282. # [06:18] <tw2113> actually, for a lot of the "main content" area
  283. # [06:18] <tw2113> being the main beef of the page and whatnot
  284. # [06:18] <tw2113> section isn't the best defined to be honest
  285. # [06:19] <tw2113> at least not to me
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  287. # [06:21] <Fuld> Is there a way to pass base64-encoded data to HTML5 audio? xmlhttprequest() string from server, then load it into HTML5 audio with a data:// URI
  288. # [06:24] <Figaroo> what's this about article and h1-6 elements?
  289. # [06:25] <Figaroo> It says I should use h1 elements inside articles? But then they'll appear large.
  290. # [06:25] <tw2113> depends on the style you apply to it
  291. # [06:25] <tw2113> article h1 { font-size: 22px; }
  292. # [06:25] <tw2113> ;)
  293. # [06:25] <tw2113> big, but not huge
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  296. # [06:29] <Figaroo> I could do that. But then why not just style all my headings in specific sizes and then just use them approprietely? h1 is the largest, usually the title of the page, h2 being big sections, h3 being "regular", h4 being more sub-heading, h5 being small heading, etc.
  297. # [06:30] <tw2113> but the html5 spec has changed hierarchy around :P
  298. # [06:31] <tw2113> you can use multiple h1's without losing meaning
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  300. # [06:31] <Figaroo> I thought h1 meant BIG EFFING HEADING!
  301. # [06:31] <Figaroo> :P
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  303. # [06:32] <Fuld> Anyone know about loading audio into the HTML5 audio element with a data:// url?
  304. # [06:33] <Figaroo> Why didn't html5 define a <heading> element that can be used in place of <h1>, and we can just add extra classes to it to distinguish it from the other headings?
  305. # [06:33] <tw2113> why should they?
  306. # [06:34] <Figaroo> it's easier to have one heading then to have six.
  307. # [06:35] <Figaroo> And you wont have to worry about needing to place a h1 inside a article element; the heading element could go anywhere.
  308. # [06:35] <tw2113> h1-h6 can go anywhere in the future too
  309. # [06:35] <tw2113> h1 != BFHeadline
  310. # [06:35] <tw2113> it's simply the topmost heading available
  311. # [06:36] <Figaroo> topmost amoung what; an imaginary sense of leveled heirarchy created by multiple stylings of headings?
  312. # [06:37] <tw2113> yu
  313. # [06:37] <tw2113> yup*
  314. # [06:37] <Figaroo> why have it?
  315. # [06:37] <tw2113> it's all hierarchy
  316. # [06:38] <tw2113> styling of them has nothing to do with it
  317. # [06:38] <Figaroo> To me it seem like this is an unnecessary head ache for designers.
  318. # [06:38] <tw2113> other than browsers applying some default values to them
  319. # [06:38] <tw2113> http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/headings-in-html-5-and-accessibility/
  320. # [06:39] <tw2113> i don't think it's that bad
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  325. # [06:42] <tw2113> some more possible reading that explains the new roles of H# http://www.mattryall.net/blog/2008/10/html-5-headings-and-sections
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  328. # [06:52] <thatryan> tw2113: where were you dude? just got back from paul's bp talk :)
  329. # [06:53] <tw2113> not in california?
  330. # [06:53] <tw2113> at an AIGA event tonight?
  331. # [06:53] <tw2113> work till about 5:15pm?
  332. # [06:53] <tw2113> home after all that
  333. # [06:53] <thatryan> lol
  334. # [06:54] <thatryan> that wouldnt have stopped a real ninja!
  335. # [06:54] <tw2113> avoiding you?
  336. # [06:54] <tw2113> trying to get laid for once?
  337. # [06:54] <thatryan> touche ;)
  338. # [06:54] <tw2113> visiting someone's mom
  339. # [06:55] <Evet> is flash plugin common in android?
  340. # [06:55] <tw2113> not as common as adobe would like
  341. # [06:55] <tw2113> most likely
  342. # [06:55] <tw2113> it's not natively installed
  343. # [06:56] <Evet> hmm
  344. # [06:59] <Evet> i wish to use svg and svgweb for rapid design
  345. # [06:59] <dug__> svg doesn't work on android either
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  347. # [07:03] <Evet> canvg looks promising
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  350. # [07:21] <Figaroo> So what does this headings heirarchy do?
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  352. # [07:25] <Figaroo> I think I'm starting to get this a bit more. So, h1-6 creates a heirarchy of "importance" so to speak. And, section elements create a new heirarchy starting at h1 again.
  353. # [07:25] <Figaroo> But what I don't understand is how a screen reader will be able to "enter" these sections?
  354. # [07:26] <tw2113> sounds about right, and i don't know enough with screen readers
  355. # [07:27] <Figaroo> well that's what this is all for right, screen readers?
  356. # [07:30] <tw2113> h# headings?
  357. # [07:30] <tw2113> no, not just screen readers
  358. # [07:30] <tw2113> visual hierarchy for anyone reading the page
  359. # [07:35] <Figaroo> visual heirarchies can be created using classes; no this is about symantics.
  360. # [07:36] <tw2113> extra work with the classes
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  363. # [07:40] <Figaroo> but the idea is to create a heirarchy of headers or part of a page. h1 is the top most right, h6 is the bottom most. But a h1 under section is like an h2?
  364. # [07:41] <tw2113> no, it'd be an h1
  365. # [07:41] <tw2113> cause the hierarchy would reset
  366. # [07:41] <tw2113> which is bound to be confusing for a lot of people at first
  367. # [07:42] <tw2113> h1->site title, h2->some element, section, h1->section's h1, h2->sections h2, end section, h2-some element, h3->some element
  368. # [07:43] <tw2113> as crude as that is, it would be valid, the way i understand it all
  369. # [07:47] <Figaroo> I mean to say that a screen reader would see a section>h1 as more of h2
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  372. # [07:50] <tw2113> i don't know how well they're programmed
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  375. # [07:52] <Figaroo> I don't mean they they *do* do this currently, more that they *will* do this. I'm just trying to figure out what section>h1 would *mean* opposed to h2
  376. # [07:52] <Figaroo> scratch "opposed to h2", just what does section>h1 mean?
  377. # [07:52] <tw2113> it's the first and most important heading in the section
  378. # [07:53] <Figaroo> why couldn't we do this with any element? div.entry>h1 for example?
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  380. # [07:55] <tw2113> because these are changes coming up in the new spec?
  381. # [07:56] <Figaroo> Is that a question? I'm not sure what you're asking. :\
  382. # [07:57] <tw2113> this is all new changes
  383. # [07:57] <Figaroo> Are you saying because section>h1 is said to be "ok" in the spec then we should use it?
  384. # [07:58] <tw2113> it'd be valid, it wouldn't be necessary
  385. # [07:58] <Figaroo> we could do div.entry > h1 before regardless of specifications.
  386. # [07:58] <tw2113> but i don't believe it would have been valid
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  388. # [07:58] <Figaroo> div.entry > h1 isn't valid?
  389. # [07:58] <tw2113> that alone would be
  390. # [07:59] <tw2113> but if you had other h1's above it
  391. # [07:59] <tw2113> i dunno, i'm getting lost in convo
  392. # [07:59] <tw2113> i just know shit's changing :D
  393. # [07:59] <Figaroo> haha, I say
  394. # [07:59] <tw2113> html5 brings in a lot of tags with new or changed meaning
  395. # [07:59] <Figaroo> so multiple h1s are invalid, how does that make sense?
  396. # [08:00] <tw2113> it all depends on the order
  397. # [08:00] <tw2113> and the surrounding tags
  398. # [08:00] <Figaroo> it does?
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  400. # [08:01] <tw2113> "From now on we can (and probably should) use only one heading element (h1 - note that you can use it more than once on a page though) and leave the rest of the structuring to the html outline itself. Not minding the SEO implications for a second, this is without a doubt the best way forward from a html/css perspective. "
  401. # [08:03] <Figaroo> what's the html outline?
  402. # [08:03] <Figaroo> and who said that?
  403. # [08:03] <tw2113> remember outlines from reports in HS?
  404. # [08:04] <Figaroo> no actually. :\
  405. # [08:04] <tw2113> http://www.onderhond.com/blog/work/html5-sectioning-document-outline
  406. # [08:04] <tw2113> for that quote
  407. # [08:04] <tw2113> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/11/10/learning-to-love-html5/
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  409. # [08:04] <tw2113> for more info
  410. # [08:04] <tw2113> especially the "Heading down a different path" part
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  413. # [08:25] <tw2113> night Figaroo
  414. # [08:25] <Figaroo> what is the purpose of an outline?
  415. # [08:25] <tw2113> hope i clarified something tonight
  416. # [08:26] <Figaroo> tw2113, you have helped me see the light a bit more. ;P
  417. # [08:26] <Figaroo> But if you must go to bed, good night to you. Thank you for you kind help. :)
  418. # [08:27] <tw2113> http://lynnepope.net/document-outline
  419. # [08:27] <tw2113> all about document outlines
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  421. # [08:28] <Figaroo> do you just google this stuff or do you have a repository of bookmarks that you reference?
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  426. # [08:38] <Evet> is sencha touch worth to buy?
  427. # [08:40] <Figaroo> idk
  428. # [08:40] <Figaroo> what's the difference between article and section?
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  431. # [08:44] <paul_irish> sections are glorified divs
  432. # [08:44] <paul_irish> articles are glorified sections
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  435. # [08:46] <Figaroo> this page really is awesome at helping understand it all https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Sections_and_Outlines_of_an_HTML5_document
  436. # [08:48] <Figaroo> paul_irish, I wouldn't put it so simply. Divs are miscellaneous in a way. While sections and articles are all about symantically describing you document in occordance with the idea of a document outline. (the way I'd put it)
  437. # [08:48] <paul_irish> sounds good to me.
  438. # [08:51] <Figaroo> Understanding that there's this idea called "document outline" *greatly* improves my ability to comprehend these new HTML elements! :D
  439. # [08:52] <paul_irish> i wonder if the document outline matters.
  440. # [08:52] <paul_irish> it probably does. nevermind me :)
  441. # [08:53] <Figaroo> Well it does for being able to extract the symatical structure of your document for screen readers and search engines.
  442. # [08:53] <Figaroo> But other than that it doesn't really matter.
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  444. # [08:56] <mike5w3c> I'm trying to think of a good small app to write that uses the experimental version of that desktop notifications API that Chrome implements
  445. # [08:58] <Figaroo> I wonder why we aren't just writting document outlines to begin with in a markup language that is more outline-y, like jade (jade-lang.com). Then we could have a styling language that's can completely define the appearance of the document (including the flow and positioning of certain elements). The styling language could also define the elements shape, whether it's a box at all (box-model) or if it's a circle. The point is that the styling would
  446. # [08:58] <Figaroo> just use the information provided in the document and to present it (thinking in terms of "document going into styling" instead of "styling going into document").
  447. # [08:58] <Figaroo> Meh, I ramble..sorry.
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  450. # [09:00] <Figaroo> mike5w3c, I think features like that should be something fits your app idea, rather then try to find an app idea that fits the feature.
  451. # [09:02] <Figaroo> paul_irish, because of your blog I just found out that the infamous inset box shadow bug was fixed in chrome. Is it too late to celebrate? haha
  452. # [09:02] <paul_irish> hoooray
  453. # [09:02] <paul_irish> :)
  454. # [09:04] <Figaroo> Gurr, Chrome 10... I guess the question is, is it too early to celebrate. :P:
  455. # [09:04] <Figaroo> s/:P:/:p
  456. # [09:04] <paul_irish> mike5w3c: combo desktop notifications with watchPosition() and you can get tipped off when you're next door to a 4-star izakaya
  457. # [09:04] <mike5w3c> heh
  458. # [09:04] <mike5w3c> now that's an application I would pay money for myself
  459. # [09:05] <mike5w3c> paul_irish: we need to go eat some sushi next time you are here
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  461. # [09:06] <Figaroo> build an app that simply notifies you of different services and then release an API for developers to use. A sort of email notification without the email.
  462. # [09:06] <Figaroo> services developed by the developers, I mean.
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  467. # [09:24] <thatryan> paul_irish good times tonight yo! great talk
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  518. # [12:02] <eax> Hi there, sorry if it's the wrong channel, I have a div-box that has opacity set to 0.50, if I have another div-box inside the first one, with opacity set to 100/1.00 it doesn't adhere to that but to the one it is contained by. What am I doing wrong?
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  521. # [12:19] <mokush> any ideea why a delete ajax cors request won't fire? I have the bloody headers all set, and they're there.
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  524. # [12:38] <jetienne> i would like to create/simulate an event. similar to one click at a given x,y pixels position. i can trigger a click on a given dom element. but i dunno how to do it on a given xy pixel position
  525. # [12:39] <jetienne> maybe a way to get the dom element at a given x,y position
  526. # [12:40] <jetienne> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/event.initMouseEvent <- this kind of thing works cross browser ?
  527. # [12:41] <jetienne> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html#Events-MouseEvent seems so
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  529. # [12:49] <jetienne> not many answerer around here :)
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  536. # [13:04] <beevi7> jetienne
  537. # [13:05] <beevi7> bind a mousemove event on the window object
  538. # [13:05] <beevi7> and query the mouseX and mouseY coordinates on every move
  539. # [13:07] <beevi7> window.addEventListener('mousemove', function(e) { console.log(e.pageX); }, false);
  540. # [13:08] <jetienne> beevi7: this is an answer! thanks :)
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  543. # [13:12] <HM2K> hey guys
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  548. # [13:52] <eax> Hi there, sorry if it's the wrong channel, I have a div-box that has opacity set to 0.50, if I have another div-box inside the first one, with opacity set to 100/1.00 it doesn't adhere to that but to the one it is contained by. What am I doing wrong?
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  552. # [14:07] <Neiluj_> eax : it is the logical way
  553. # [14:08] <Neiluj_> if the child would have 0.5, actually it will show like it was 0.25
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  556. # [14:13] <eax> Neiluj_: How can I make it totally non-opaque? Set it to a 1.50? (since the parent is 0.5)
  557. # [14:14] <Neiluj_> hehe, actually, you can't like this
  558. # [14:14] <Neiluj_> why are you using opacity, is it only for background ?
  559. # [14:15] <eax> It is the for the background of the border div-box :P
  560. # [14:15] <eax> You can see it on: eax.dk the box that has the Redesign in it shouldn't be see-through
  561. # [14:15] <Neiluj_> consider using rgba() ?
  562. # [14:15] <eax> How?
  563. # [14:16] <Neiluj_> background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.5);
  564. # [14:16] <Neiluj_> for instance
  565. # [14:16] <eax> That'd fix it?
  566. # [14:17] <Neiluj_> well it will help you to not use opacity
  567. # [14:17] <Neiluj_> but opacity is also for text, so it depends on what you really want
  568. # [14:18] <eax> I do NOT want opaque text :)
  569. # [14:18] <Neiluj_> ok, so that's your solution
  570. # [14:19] <Neiluj_> eax: consider using Modernizr
  571. # [14:19] <Neiluj_> it will help you to detect if rgba() is supported or not
  572. # [14:19] <eax> Yeah, that did it! Thanks a lot :)
  573. # [14:19] <eax> What is it? Plugin or?
  574. # [14:19] <jetienne> a promoted js library
  575. # [14:19] <Neiluj_> a lib http://www.modernizr.com/
  576. # [14:20] <eax> Thanks :) But doesn't rgba work in opera, ff, chrome & safari?
  577. # [14:20] <Neiluj_> it will let you do something like
  578. # [14:20] <Neiluj_> html.rgba .div-box { background: rgba(...) }
  579. # [14:20] <Neiluj_> html.no-rgba .div-box { background: #FFF; }
  580. # [14:20] <eax> Ohh, cool! That's actually very usuable. Thanks! :)
  581. # [14:20] <Neiluj_> yes it is
  582. # [14:20] <eax> Thanks ^^ Bye :)
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  584. # [14:21] <seutje> u don't rly need to separate those
  585. # [14:22] <seutje> and u can get it to work in IEs if ur not scared of a lil filter :P
  586. # [14:22] <Neiluj_> seutje: that was for the example / explanation of how it works
  587. # [14:22] <Neiluj_> filter is ugly :)
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  591. # [14:31] <seutje> beats other means
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  616. # [15:44] <g105b> is it possible to use websockets for peer to peer connections? (no servers?)
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  621. # [15:51] <jetienne> g105b: no
  622. # [15:51] <jetienne> g105b: websocket in the browser is client only
  623. # [15:52] <jetienne> g105b: flash can do it tho, from memory
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  638. # [16:32] <sth> Is there an event for when a user clicks the 'x' on a input type='search'?
  639. # [16:34] <sth> n/m
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  643. # [16:40] <pumkinhed> hello #html5, i am having a problem on safari with form.serialize() method, it doesn't submit the non-text elements (ie tel, number, email)
  644. # [16:40] <pumkinhed> is this a known issue?
  645. # [16:42] <pumkinhed> ah jquery is the problem, i am going to to try 1.4
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  651. # [16:57] <miketaylr> 1.4 fixed that problem, pumkinhed
  652. # [16:57] <pumkinhed> thanks miketaylr
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  654. # [16:57] <pumkinhed> i was looking and looking for the answer, strange it was so tough to find
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  656. # [17:06] <tw2113> wow, haven't seen that tag actually used in awhile
  657. # [17:06] <tw2113> just ran across an h6
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  662. # [17:18] <Trisox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfegShSI_3g
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  664. # [17:23] <paul_irish> Trisox: let's try and keep things on topic... :)
  665. # [17:25] <serio> by far, the most random youtube clip ever
  666. # [17:26] <serio> this guy was inspired by oolong the rabbit
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  682. # [18:01] <seekshiva> anybody there?
  683. # [18:01] * cgcardona steals and drinks tw2113 's koolaid
  684. # [18:01] <cgcardona> yummy
  685. # [18:01] <seekshiva> is there a way by which i can manipulate an svg image in a html page?
  686. # [18:01] <cgcardona> hello (hello hello) is there anybody in there?
  687. # [18:01] <seekshiva> lol :P
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  691. # [18:02] <seekshiva> i'd like to create an svg editor
  692. # [18:02] <seekshiva> any suggestions
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  694. # [18:02] <seekshiva> ??
  695. # [18:02] <seekshiva> am i even in the right channel?
  696. # [18:03] <seekshiva> cgcardona: ?
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  698. # [18:03] <cgcardona> I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but it might help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/138309/is-it-possible-to-manipulate-an-svg-document-embedded-in-an-html-doc-with-javascr
  699. # [18:03] * JonathanNeal smiles.
  700. # [18:04] <cgcardona> seekshiva: this is definitely the right room to ask - you just gotta wait for everyone to wake up ;)
  701. # [18:04] <cgcardona> everyone..........WAKE UP
  702. # [18:05] <JonathanNeal> cgcardona, what are we waking for?
  703. # [18:05] <cgcardona> JonathanNeal: the sky is falling!
  704. # [18:05] <cgcardona> and WOLF!
  705. # [18:05] <cgcardona> and all that jazz
  706. # [18:06] <JonathanNeal> Oh sweet.
  707. # [18:06] <JonathanNeal> I have just the song, http://music.thewikies.com/jonneal/Jonathan_Neal_-_8_Bit_Monsters_Attack.html
  708. # [18:07] <cgcardona> trippy
  709. # [18:07] <cgcardona> did you write this?
  710. # [18:07] <paul_irish> jon is sort of a musical genius. and html5 expert. COMBO-ATTACK!
  711. # [18:07] <cgcardona> super cool
  712. # [18:08] <JonathanNeal> it was a tangent song, so more of a jam than a song, but gracias.
  713. # [18:08] <paul_irish> nice stuff
  714. # [18:08] <cgcardona> JonathanNeal: can I hear some of your other stuff?
  715. # [18:08] <cgcardona> i am too a musician
  716. # [18:09] <paul_irish> http://music.thewikies.com/jonneal/
  717. # [18:09] <cgcardona> here is some stuff I wrote and recorded early last year http://www.cardonadesigns.com/html5/audio/
  718. # [18:09] <JonathanNeal> listening now!
  719. # [18:09] <cgcardona> it's kinda old now but I am working on some new stuff
  720. # [18:10] <JonathanNeal> Sweet. Let's collaborate.
  721. # [18:10] <cgcardona> let's :D
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  723. # [18:10] <cgcardona> am I following you on twitter?
  724. # [18:10] <cgcardona> is your handle your name?
  725. # [18:10] <JonathanNeal> Oh we're both from CA. Sweet.
  726. # [18:10] <cgcardona> santa cruz ftw woop woop
  727. # [18:10] <JonathanNeal> Orange County here.
  728. # [18:11] <cgcardona> i got some good friends in LA and long beach - really good musicians actually
  729. # [18:11] <JonathanNeal> You're very much up by Paul Irish. I'm very much by ... me.
  730. # [18:11] <JonathanNeal> Seems to be most of the coders are up in that San Fran zone.
  731. # [18:11] <cgcardona> true
  732. # [18:12] <cgcardona> i've even had a rare paul irish in the wild spotting
  733. # [18:12] <JonathanNeal> Did you auto-tune at 2 minutes into Grace?
  734. # [18:12] <cgcardona> it was quite thrilling
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  737. # [18:12] <cgcardona> checking - most likely
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  739. # [18:12] <JonathanNeal> Didn't notice it til then.
  740. # [18:12] <cgcardona> :)
  741. # [18:13] <cgcardona> this was all mixed in one afternoon - kinda sloppy in some places
  742. # [18:13] <JonathanNeal> What's this "HTML Working Group" in good standing.
  743. # [18:14] <cgcardona> last year Hixie told me that Google would pay for me to go to the W3C plenary if I joind the HTML working group
  744. # [18:14] <cgcardona> So i applied and they let me in
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  747. # [18:14] <cgcardona> a credential I don't deserver perhaps but I'm playing that card none the less ;)
  748. # [18:15] <JonathanNeal> Nice. I have not heard of it before.
  749. # [18:15] <JonathanNeal> Now I'm like, dude, nice.
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  751. # [18:16] <JonathanNeal> All is illusion is very much what I would hear at DCA (Disney's California Adventure)
  752. # [18:16] <JonathanNeal> I dig.
  753. # [18:16] <cgcardona> interesting
  754. # [18:17] <JonathanNeal> Whisper in the moonlight is an earlier recording.
  755. # [18:17] <cgcardona> yep
  756. # [18:17] <JonathanNeal> I'm like "sweet, smashing pumpkins bootleg"
  757. # [18:17] <cgcardona> haha
  758. # [18:18] <cgcardona> lot's of autotune on salvation song
  759. # [18:18] <Moo-_> whisper in the moo light
  760. # [18:18] <cgcardona> try not to judge me too harshly
  761. # [18:18] <cgcardona> :D
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  763. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> Even more than Whisper in the moonlight?
  764. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> :P
  765. # [18:19] <cgcardona> oh yeah
  766. # [18:19] <cgcardona> it drips off
  767. # [18:19] <cgcardona> in retrospect I think I got a bit carried away with auto tune that afternoon
  768. # [18:19] <cgcardona> it sounds more like autotoon
  769. # [18:19] <cgcardona> :-/
  770. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> You want some auto-tune, http://music.thewikies.com/jonneal/Jonathan_Neal_-_Party_Girl.html "She was smokin' there, smokin', smokin' there, smokin' at the party. But she doesn't need a fire extinguisher 'cause she already puts out."
  771. # [18:19] <cgcardona> haha
  772. # [18:20] <JonathanNeal> I don't condone those lyrics, btw.
  773. # [18:20] <cgcardona> nice beat!
  774. # [18:21] <JonathanNeal> Nice guitar solo on witm
  775. # [18:21] <cgcardona> nice harmonies on "you wanna party"
  776. # [18:21] <cgcardona> thanks
  777. # [18:21] * JonathanNeal loves harmonies.
  778. # [18:21] <cgcardona> yeah me 2
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  780. # [18:22] <cgcardona> dude this is so sick
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  784. # [18:24] <cgcardona> what is this site http://music.thewikies.com/ JonathanNeal ?
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  788. # [18:24] <JonathanNeal> cgcardona: you wanna put your music on there too?
  789. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> It's a place I put my friends' music.
  790. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> And mine.
  791. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> As a way of just sharing collections of tunes.
  792. # [18:25] <JonathanNeal> It's still a work in progress, but you can post lyrics, have individual songs or albums and just get your stuff out there. It makes it pretty easy to share too.
  793. # [18:26] <cgcardona> yeah -i'm always down to put my music as many places as possible- what do I need to do? - I'm actually trying to build something kinda similar with a friend - very cool
  794. # [18:27] <JonathanNeal> I'll make you an account and I think you can add tunes.
  795. # [18:27] <JonathanNeal> Either that or you get me approx. 192kbps mp3s
  796. # [18:28] <JonathanNeal> And I prefer images to be 300x300
  797. # [18:28] <cgcardona> ok
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  802. # [18:31] <cgcardona> anybody else get an early Google IO invite yet?
  803. # [18:31] <cgcardona> i scanned the QR code on the shirt at last years IO and got a message saying that I was on an early invite list - but I have been seeing tweets for a couple of days thanking google for the early invite and I haven't received anything yet :(
  804. # [18:32] <JonathanNeal> cgcardona, let's do it, today.
  805. # [18:32] <cgcardona> collaborate on music or put my stuff on the site?
  806. # [18:33] <cgcardona> or both :)
  807. # [18:34] <JonathanNeal> first, today, put stuff on the site.
  808. # [18:34] <JonathanNeal> later today, mayhaps, begin the music collab.
  809. # [18:35] <cgcardona> cool - shall I pm you my email so you can drop me the login info to upload my music?
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  811. # [18:36] <JonathanNeal> I think it would be easier if I upload it for now.
  812. # [18:36] <JonathanNeal> I think my login is all wack.
  813. # [18:37] <cgcardona> ok no worries
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  815. # [18:37] <cgcardona> so I need to get you 192kbps mp3s and 300x300 icons
  816. # [18:37] <JonathanNeal> What's your artist name or real name?
  817. # [18:38] <cgcardona> Carlos Cardona is my name - But you can put that music by cgcardona
  818. # [18:38] <JonathanNeal> What's your performance name, do you tell people cgcardona, or is it CG Cardona or?
  819. # [18:38] <JonathanNeal> Or do you go by Carlos Cardona if people were buying your albums.
  820. # [18:39] <cgcardona> From here on out I am going with cgcardona because I want my primary musical persona to be digital
  821. # [18:39] <JonathanNeal> All lower case?
  822. # [18:39] <cgcardona> yep
  823. # [18:39] <cgcardona> all one word
  824. # [18:39] <JonathanNeal> Ooookee dokee :)
  825. # [18:40] <cgcardona> plus I'm sick to death of the carlos santana references
  826. # [18:40] * cgcardona pukes
  827. # [18:40] <cgcardona> :)
  828. # [18:41] <JonathanNeal> I need a 300x300 artist image
  829. # [18:41] <JonathanNeal> it can be anything, but do you have something right now? i can crop anything too
  830. # [18:41] <JonathanNeal> just something
  831. # [18:42] <JonathanNeal> you can change it later too.
  832. # [18:42] <cgcardona> can you double this http://cgcardona.com/images/los.png?
  833. # [18:42] <cgcardona> or does it pixelate too badly?
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  836. # [18:48] <JonathanNeal> All is illusion or All is Illusion?
  837. # [18:49] <cgcardona> with caps is nice
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  839. # [18:50] <grantgalitz> paulrouget: heh, you noticed my emulator project. :P
  840. # [18:51] <JonathanNeal> http://music.thewikies.com/
  841. # [18:51] <JonathanNeal> cgcardona ^^
  842. # [18:51] <cgcardona> :D
  843. # [18:51] <cgcardona> thanks!
  844. # [18:52] <paulrouget> grantgalitz: crazy stuff :)
  845. # [18:52] <cgcardona> i'll round up some icons for the individual songs today
  846. # [18:52] <paulrouget> grantgalitz: bravo
  847. # [18:52] <paulrouget> grantgalitz: did you manage to have your code tracing?
  848. # [18:53] <paulrouget> I grantgalitz how are the performance?
  849. # [18:53] <paulrouget> the JS performance I mean
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  852. # [18:56] <grantgalitz> Slow in 3.6
  853. # [18:56] <grantgalitz> Fast in 4
  854. # [18:56] * tw2113 boogies
  855. # [18:57] <grantgalitz> Only video traces a little
  856. # [18:57] <grantgalitz> CPU is too branchy
  857. # [18:57] <grantgalitz> gtg
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  861. # [19:01] <cgcardona> tw2113: jungle boogies?
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  863. # [19:01] <tw2113> well, it's that World Cup song from Shakira last summer
  864. # [19:02] <cgcardona> i need an url
  865. # [19:02] <cgcardona> not familiar with that jam
  866. # [19:02] <tw2113> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0
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  870. # [19:05] <tw2113> i need to figure out what to do for lunch
  871. # [19:06] <cgcardona> go veggie dawg ;)
  872. # [19:06] <cgcardona> your body will thank you
  873. # [19:06] <tw2113> meh
  874. # [19:06] <cgcardona> the planet will agree
  875. # [19:06] <tw2113> it'd thank me more for meat
  876. # [19:06] <cgcardona> and God will shed a golden tear of joy
  877. # [19:07] <cgcardona> the golden tear will water the Tree of Life
  878. # [19:07] <cgcardona> and all will be good
  879. # [19:07] <tw2113> the cow is already dead, might as well help it not go to waste
  880. # [19:08] <tw2113> bbs
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  886. # [19:25] <Pewpewarrows> a website I was just on took about 30 seconds to load because of this bullshit: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37823/Pictures/social-fail.png
  887. # [19:26] <Pewpewarrows> I guess an "addthis" button was too easy
  888. # [19:28] <Moo-_> Pewpewarrows: ugly
  889. # [19:29] <acies> at least it's cached until next time, eh?
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  891. # [19:30] <tw2113> the only necessary ones I see are the twitter and maybe facebook
  892. # [19:30] <tw2113> and it fails for not having reddit
  893. # [19:31] <tw2113> but i'm biased
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  895. # [19:31] <grantg> paulrouget: Your tweet caused my iphone to ding every few seconds b/c of new twitter followers. :P
  896. # [19:32] <grantg> O_O
  897. # [19:32] <tw2113> i'm going to have to go find that tweet
  898. # [19:32] <grantg> twitter is spamming my gmail inbox. xD
  899. # [19:33] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: what site
  900. # [19:33] <grantg> http://twitter.com/#!/paulrouget/status/31053205940994048
  901. # [19:33] <Pewpewarrows> http://www.net-kit.com/jquery-custom-scrollbar-plugins/
  902. # [19:33] <tw2113> there you go grantg
  903. # [19:33] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/f0zvNB @paulrouget: Follow this guy: @grantgalitz ← he wrote this awesome Gameboy Color emulator: http://youtu.be/YR3z3PHG3rI & http://bit.ly/fJ5RM0
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  905. # [19:34] <tw2113> I RT'd and made it a #ff
  906. # [19:34] <grantg> heh
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  909. # [19:34] <Pewpewarrows> tw2113: I was happy/intrigued to see that the Google IO page for this year had a reddit share button on the bottom but no fb one
  910. # [19:35] <grantg> twitter has consumed my inbox.
  911. # [19:35] <tw2113> hopefully i helped, grantg
  912. # [19:36] <grantg> tw2113: lol
  913. # [19:36] <tw2113> twitterbombing?
  914. # [19:36] <grantg> I wonder how much more twitter notifications I'll get when I land the js GBA emulator
  915. # [19:36] <Pewpewarrows> that brings up one of my pet peeves: companies email spamming you for notifications that SHOULD be in an rss/atom feed
  916. # [19:36] <tw2113> 50 billion
  917. # [19:36] <grantg> O_o
  918. # [19:37] <tw2113> they'll have to define a new number for you
  919. # [19:37] <Pewpewarrows> like youtube subscription updates and fb notifications, I had to spend way more time than I should have to find RSS feeds for those things to replace my inbox overflowing every morning
  920. # [19:38] <grantg> tw2113: I'll be the cause of distractions in libraries
  921. # [19:38] <tw2113> without even having to be there grantg :D
  922. # [19:38] <grantg> since you can play gameboy on FF in them now
  923. # [19:38] <tw2113> at least they can save time with restraining orders
  924. # [19:38] <grantg> lol
  925. # [19:38] <grantg> They'llprobably block my site so people don't go on it in libraries.
  926. # [19:39] <tw2113> they probably should start blocking stuff like facebook and whatnot on library computers
  927. # [19:39] <grantg> New cause of workplace distractions. :P
  928. # [19:39] <tw2113> i've heard of some cases of people going in there just for that stuff instead of actual library use
  929. # [19:40] <tw2113> time to make cgcardona hate me........MMMM ROAST BEAST
  930. # [19:40] <cgcardona> :(
  931. # [19:40] <Pewpewarrows> hmm, in the libraries I've been to the computers are mostly there just for public internet access
  932. # [19:40] <tw2113> paul_irish, i hear you gave a talk yesterday about newt stuff, how'd that go?
  933. # [19:40] <Pewpewarrows> not necessarily for library use only
  934. # [19:40] <grantg> Since you can't install programs on many library computers, you'll just DL the ROM binary and load it into FF.
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  936. # [19:40] <tw2113> mmm arby's
  937. # [19:40] <cgcardona> I don't hate you as much as the spirit of that dead beast you are eating tw2113 :-/
  938. # [19:40] <grantg> pewpewarrows: ^_^
  939. # [19:41] <paul_irish> tw2113: good. it was a dive into html5boilerplate
  940. # [19:41] <Pewpewarrows> grantg: figured I'd add to your inbox spam :)
  941. # [19:43] <tw2113> good to hear
  942. # [19:43] <grantg> paulrouget: Did you see this one too ? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojDWQ_Vtho
  943. # [19:43] <grantg> moar demo videos. :)
  944. # [19:44] <cgcardona> demo videos good
  945. # [19:44] <cgcardona> me likey demo videos
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  948. # [19:49] <grantg> lol
  949. # [19:49] <grantg> twitter has a fail whale again
  950. # [19:49] <tw2113> damn, paulrouget beat me to putting your youtube stuff on reddit
  951. # [19:50] <grantg> tw2113: I put them on reddit first. lol
  952. # [19:50] <grantg> I think
  953. # [19:50] <grantg> :P
  954. # [19:50] <grantg> reddit spam FTW
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  956. # [19:51] <tw2113> i feel like submitting something, so i'm going to submit it anyway
  957. # [19:51] <grantg> haters haten'http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f97ua/kirbys_dream_land_2_running_inside_firefox_4_in_a/
  958. # [19:51] <grantg> 0 points, really?
  959. # [19:51] <tw2113> i found this one http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/faty3/canvas_audio_data_api_javascript_firefox_4/
  960. # [19:52] <grantg> tw2113: Check the dups list - http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/duplicates/faty3/canvas_audio_data_api_javascript_firefox_4/
  961. # [19:52] <grantg> You'll just add a third
  962. # [19:52] <tw2113> i was going to submit http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
  963. # [19:52] <grantg> unless you record your own demo video. :P
  964. # [19:53] <tw2113> i will gladly extend a tall middle finger to the kirby demo
  965. # [19:53] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ehkde/gameboy_color_emulator_in_javascript_w_sound_best/
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  967. # [19:54] <grantg> dups with that too
  968. # [19:54] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/duplicates/ehkde/gameboy_color_emulator_in_javascript_w_sound_best/
  969. # [19:54] <tw2113> damn it
  970. # [19:54] * tw2113 closes the submit tab
  971. # [19:54] <grantg> submit a demo of some game that hasn't been demo'd yet
  972. # [19:54] <grantg> pokemon red?
  973. # [19:55] <grantg> super mario bros?
  974. # [19:55] * tw2113 *cries* I just wanted a link to submit for once
  975. # [19:55] <tw2113> i want to try and get past 9 karma points
  976. # [19:56] <tw2113> i'll just have to submit a lady gaga video to /r/music
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  978. # [19:56] <tw2113> oh wait, that's been done too
  979. # [19:57] <tw2113> anyone else hate the idea of the government having power to turn off the internet?
  980. # [19:58] <mikesusz> tw2113 - when a democracy isn't really a democracy, those thing happen
  981. # [19:59] <mikesusz> things
  982. # [19:59] <grantg> heh
  983. # [19:59] <grantg> up
  984. # [19:59] <tw2113> oh god that's a bad idea: a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM
  985. # [19:59] <tw2113> VM Inception
  986. # [19:59] <mikesusz> each one gets slower!
  987. # [20:00] <tw2113> best comment from that reddit submission? "We must go derper."
  988. # [20:00] <mikesusz> that would make the snow fortress the equivalent of a 386
  989. # [20:00] <grantg> like my emulator running as a js script
  990. # [20:00] <grantg> I must build a chip8 emulator that works in my GBC emulator. :)
  991. # [20:01] <tw2113> ahhh i was reminded just now of my summer of 2003 when i broke my ankle
  992. # [20:01] * grantg never saw inception. :(
  993. # [20:01] <tw2113> i spent a lot of time going through a bunch of my NES video games and beating them
  994. # [20:02] <tw2113> emulator style so i could savestate
  995. # [20:02] <grantg> gtg
  996. # [20:02] <tw2113> cya
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  1002. # [20:10] <BrianBlakely> JSNES runs great in Chrome 10
  1003. # [20:10] <bot-t> (42 hours 20 mins ago) <snover> Tell BrianBlakely it’s just a parser/tokenizer, it will not be able to tell you if you are doing some illegal runtime operation
  1004. # [20:10] <BrianBlakely> Oh, thanks again snover!
  1005. # [20:11] <Pewpewarrows> tw2113: yeah the stuff going down in Egypt right now only makes the idea that a similar bill is going through US congress right now is scary as hell
  1006. # [20:11] <benv> can anyone help me with a modernizr q?
  1007. # [20:11] <benv> i'd like to apply some styles if native type="search" isnt available
  1008. # [20:11] <benv> whats the best way to do that, given that modernizr doesn't apply classes for input types (as far as i can tell)
  1009. # [20:12] <tw2113> wouldn't input[type=search] work?
  1010. # [20:13] <tw2113> and if the browser doesn't support that attribute selector, it just moves on
  1011. # [20:13] <paul_irish> nope
  1012. # [20:13] <benv> well, i kind of need the opposite - i.e. i want to style it if the browser won't natively style it
  1013. # [20:13] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: The style would still apply
  1014. # [20:13] <BrianBlakely> Even if it doesn't support the input type
  1015. # [20:13] <paul_irish> benv: someone wrote something for that just the other day.
  1016. # [20:14] <tw2113> i got autobanned from #wordpress for pasting this link http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/meet-newt-new-exciting-web-technologies/
  1017. # [20:15] <benv> paul_irish: any leads?
  1018. # [20:15] <tw2113> i accidentally violated channel policies somehow :D
  1019. # [20:15] <Pewpewarrows> benv: From the Modernizr docs: "(Classes for input types are not applied)"
  1020. # [20:15] <benv> Pewpewarrows: yeah, im saying, given that it doesn't do that, how do i do that :)
  1021. # [20:15] <paul_irish> sec
  1022. # [20:17] <Pewpewarrows> benv: I don't know if a css-only approach exists, but paul's incoming link might have the answer!
  1023. # [20:17] <benv> yeah
  1024. # [20:21] <paul_irish> one min more... testing.
  1025. # [20:22] <BrianBlakely> Anyone know if Firefox 3.x users will be auto-updated to 4.0?
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  1027. # [20:23] <tw2113> probably not
  1028. # [20:23] <tw2113> but should be, same with IEx
  1029. # [20:24] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: Windows Update is kind of like that...
  1030. # [20:24] <BrianBlakely> At least, it's a little more aggresive
  1031. # [20:24] <tw2113> people don't always listen to it
  1032. # [20:24] <BrianBlakely> Truth
  1033. # [20:24] <BrianBlakely> I've been playing with -moz-element(), and I've fallen in love
  1034. # [20:25] <BrianBlakely> <canvas> + -moz-element() threequels LOVE
  1035. # [20:25] <BrianBlakely> And jewels
  1036. # [20:25] <BrianBlakely> LOVE && jewels
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  1039. # [20:28] <BrianBlakely> All the cool things you can do with a design without needing to awkwardly position elements to look like backgrounds. Other vendors need to get on this trolly, because they serve free pizza
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  1042. # [20:30] <tw2113> they will...eventually
  1043. # [20:30] <tw2113> or die
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  1047. # [20:32] * tw2113 thinks the bot should be a new kids on the block fan
  1048. # [20:32] <tw2113> just for major cheese factor
  1049. # [20:34] <paul_irish> benv: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/pull/176#issuecomment-719082
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  1052. # [20:38] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: nice!
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  1054. # [20:40] <thatryan> tw2113: you lose 4 points for mentioning NKOTB
  1055. # [20:40] <tw2113> i should gain 10
  1056. # [20:41] <thatryan> NEVAR
  1057. # [20:41] <tw2113> ok, i see how it is
  1058. # [20:41] <tw2113> you prefer the BSB
  1059. # [20:41] <tw2113> fair enough
  1060. # [20:42] <thatryan> ouch burn! ;)
  1061. # [20:42] <benv> paul_irish: thanks man
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  1065. # [20:44] <tw2113> i find it refreshing to see "<time datetime="2010-09-25">" in a downloaded wordpress theme
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  1067. # [20:44] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish
  1068. # [20:45] <antonkovalyov> yesterday i found out that jslint does not recognize window global object because crock does not like it :)
  1069. # [20:45] <paul_irish> of course not.
  1070. # [20:45] <paul_irish> there is no `window` in javascript
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  1072. # [20:45] <antonkovalyov> jslint has browser:true flag
  1073. # [20:46] <antonkovalyov> to assume browser environment and predefine global vars
  1074. # [20:46] <antonkovalyov> lemme teach you some jslint :D
  1075. # [20:46] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: I actually had jslint fail me yesterday, and jsHint found my problem woohoo :)
  1076. # [20:46] <antonkovalyov> https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSLint/issues/closed#issue/15
  1077. # [20:47] * JonathanNeal nods
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  1079. # [20:49] <Pewpewarrows> wait I'm confused, I though it was best practice to predicate your global variables with "window." to make it explicit to readers of your code when you're using a global variable
  1080. # [20:49] <Pewpewarrows> or have I been doing it wrong all along
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  1082. # [20:50] <antonkovalyov> haven't heard about this practice, makes sense though
  1083. # [20:50] <antonkovalyov> and keep in mind
  1084. # [20:50] <antonkovalyov> ?crock Pewpewarrows
  1085. # [20:50] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, IRC logs: freenode / #html5 / 20110124 - http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html5/20110124
  1086. # [20:50] <antonkovalyov> nooo
  1087. # [20:51] <antonkovalyov> what happened to crock paul_irish?
  1088. # [20:51] <antonkovalyov> ? crock Pewpewarrows
  1089. # [20:51] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, IRC logs: freenode / #html5 / 20110124 - http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html5/20110124
  1090. # [20:51] <paul_irish> ?crock @ antonkovalyov
  1091. # [20:51] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Your sadly pathetic bleatings are harshing my mellow.
  1092. # [20:51] <paul_irish> you noob.
  1093. # [20:51] <antonkovalyov> ?crock @ Pewpewarrows
  1094. # [20:51] <bot-t> Pewpewarrows, Your sadly pathetic bleatings are harshing my mellow.
  1095. # [20:51] <antonkovalyov> :'-(
  1096. # [20:51] <Pewpewarrows> lol
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  1098. # [20:52] <Pewpewarrows> I've actually been meaning to ask for the link to this room's logs anyway antonkovalyov, so you did me a favor ^^
  1099. # [20:52] <antonkovalyov> ya
  1100. # [20:52] <antonkovalyov> that's what i do
  1101. # [20:53] <antonkovalyov> helping people by failing
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  1108. # [21:07] <benv> bleh, type=search is a mess
  1109. # [21:10] <benv> webkit will display it using a native search box
  1110. # [21:10] <benv> firefox 4 "supports it", but doesnt really do anything with it but show an empty text field
  1111. # [21:11] <benv> seems the only way to use it safely is with user agent sniffing
  1112. # [21:11] <benv> :(
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  1114. # [21:13] <Pewpewarrows> benv: or just apply a custom style to it no matter what :P
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  1116. # [21:14] <benv> well
  1117. # [21:14] <benv> you cant
  1118. # [21:14] <benv> well, you can -- but it even requires webkit hacks to do
  1119. # [21:14] <benv> because the native styling overrides a bunch of things
  1120. # [21:15] <benv> -webkit-appearance: textfield;
  1121. # [21:15] <benv> in which case, what's the point
  1122. # [21:15] <benv> http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html#type-search
  1123. # [21:15] <benv> (hoping someone will tell me i have this all wrong)
  1124. # [21:19] <tw2113> benv, with all the new input types, if they're not supported, they fall back to input type="text"
  1125. # [21:19] <benv> yeah, i'm aware
  1126. # [21:19] <benv> but what im saying is
  1127. # [21:19] <tw2113> so i figure if the search aspect is supported, great, if not, treat it as a text box
  1128. # [21:20] <benv> firefox 4 purports to support it
  1129. # [21:20] <benv> but treats it as a textbox
  1130. # [21:20] <paul_irish> hollon holon
  1131. # [21:20] <paul_irish> lemme see what ff4 presents
  1132. # [21:20] <paul_irish> the spec says something like "it's up to the UA how exactly they want to show that this textbox is primarily for searching"
  1133. # [21:20] <paul_irish> so
  1134. # [21:20] <benv> yeah
  1135. # [21:21] <paul_irish> FF apparently thinks a nice boring rectangle implies search.
  1136. # [21:21] <benv> yeah
  1137. # [21:21] <benv> webkit treats it awesomely
  1138. # [21:21] <paul_irish> lets ask mounir
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  1140. # [21:21] <paul_irish> benv: you on twitter?
  1141. # [21:22] <benv> @bentlegen
  1142. # [21:22] <benv> im just goofing with html5 today
  1143. # [21:22] <paul_irish> oh wtf ben.
  1144. # [21:22] <benv> yeah ;0
  1145. # [21:22] <benv> i thought the 'v' made it obvious!
  1146. # [21:22] <benv> (jokes)
  1147. # [21:22] <paul_irish> SO OBVIOUS.
  1148. # [21:22] <paul_irish> ass.
  1149. # [21:22] <paul_irish> :)
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  1151. # [21:25] <paul_irish> benv: http://twitter.com/#!/paul_irish/status/31084765884981248
  1152. # [21:26] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/eIrnSi @paul_irish: @mounirlamouri what's the plan for input type=search? Is a more searchy UI planned? i'm a bit worried about feature detection :/ +@bentlegen
  1153. # [21:29] <Pewpewarrows> benv: well if webkit is the only one styling it, you might just have to go the route of resetting its appearance and building it up yourself, which is kind of shitty but it'd make it uniform
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  1156. # [21:35] <benv> paul_irish: thanks man, appreciate it
  1157. # [21:36] <benv> pewpewarrows: yeah
  1158. # [21:36] <benv> just kind of depressing - i was digging my fancy osx-themed search boxes
  1159. # [21:37] <tw2113> so leave them for webkit browsers
  1160. # [21:37] <tw2113> the rest can suck it until they get in line
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  1162. # [21:37] <tw2113> if they need to see them that way, tell them to get chrome or safari
  1163. # [21:38] <benv> well, yeah, what im saying is i have to UA sniff that right now
  1164. # [21:38] <tw2113> too much work for me :D
  1165. # [21:38] <chromedFiz> you know whats fricken awesome
  1166. # [21:38] <benv> and this is really just a minor experiment / distraction ... not sure i care to spend so much effort to ensure users get a native search box
  1167. # [21:38] * TheEmpath struggles with tilesets and camera motion.
  1168. # [21:39] <tw2113> free beer, chromedFiz ?
  1169. # [21:39] <chromedFiz> no
  1170. # [21:39] <chromedFiz> ME
  1171. # [21:39] <chromedFiz> im fricken wesome
  1172. # [21:39] <chromedFiz> i have absolutely know idea why but i am
  1173. # [21:39] <tw2113> same here, take a number
  1174. # [21:39] <chromedFiz> i started playing with web2py
  1175. # [21:40] <chromedFiz> it seems exciting
  1176. # [21:40] <chromedFiz> but ive been tarnished by 9 years of php
  1177. # [21:40] <antonkovalyov> is it still alpha version?
  1178. # [21:40] * TheEmpath comforts chromedFiz.
  1179. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> it doesnt say alpha
  1180. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> doesnt
  1181. # [21:41] <chromedFiz> gah my netbook is lag
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  1183. # [21:41] <antonkovalyov> i just remember it was in alpha for like 2 years
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  1187. # [21:44] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: yeah the magic is nice for the first few hours/days you play with it
  1188. # [21:48] <chromedFiz> Pewpewarrows: python seems a bit overwelming
  1189. # [21:48] <chromedFiz> but then again im still very out of the loop when it comes to non apache type setups
  1190. # [21:49] <chromedFiz> i think php has really hindered my progress in programming
  1191. # [21:49] <chromedFiz> its paid my bills for years though
  1192. # [21:49] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: yeah, you kind of have to release your mind from the paradigm that a url goes to an exact file by default, like in php
  1193. # [21:49] <Moo-_> i think php has really hindered my progress in programming <-- so true
  1194. # [21:50] <Pewpewarrows> instead it's just a series of lines of organized text that's passed to a handler
  1195. # [21:50] <Moo-_> PHP ism and should be, a template language
  1196. # [21:50] <Pewpewarrows> with basically every other language
  1197. # [21:50] <BrianBlakely> All of the PHP developers I know are "stepping up" to Java
  1198. # [21:51] <tw2113> i like php, but i can't help but notice all the distaste for it
  1199. # [21:51] <chromedFiz> well most of my apps use mod_rewrite and ive wrote my php in a OOP style for as long as I knew how so I'm ok with that its just so different
  1200. # [21:51] <Moo-_> BrianBlakely: they should go to Python or Ruby instead
  1201. # [21:51] <chromedFiz> java ew :P
  1202. # [21:51] <BrianBlakely> Moo-_: I think they like being able to have jobs ;P
  1203. # [21:51] <tw2113> php lives on with me thanks to wordpress
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  1205. # [21:52] <chromedFiz> oh ill always use php
  1206. # [21:52] <Moo-_> I wouldn't hire anyone who would first learn PHP, then Java :P
  1207. # [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> BrianBlakely: I don't hear of any popular websites made in the last decade using Java
  1208. # [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> so i'd argue the opposite
  1209. # [21:52] <chromedFiz> wordpress being big reason and the fact tht its a very good solution for most projects
  1210. # [21:52] <Moo-_> Pewpewarrows: how about your net bank?
  1211. # [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> Moo-_: exception that proves the rule?
  1212. # [21:53] <Moo-_> chromedFiz: it is a cheap solution for cheap projects and most of the projects are cheap :)
  1213. # [21:53] <chromedFiz> Moo-_: exactly
  1214. # [21:53] <BrianBlakely> Pewpewarrows: Good point, I think I'll ask a couple people about their motivations
  1215. # [21:53] <BrianBlakely> Not a big fan of Java, myself
  1216. # [21:53] <BrianBlakely> Not a big fan of anything non-W3C anymore, really
  1217. # [21:54] <Pewpewarrows> well, you can get a job with either
  1218. # [21:54] <Pewpewarrows> Java tends to be enterprisey and big-business
  1219. # [21:54] <chromedFiz> im not going to setup a python app for my client who owns a taco shack and just wants a contact site or a blog
  1220. # [21:54] <Moo-_> chromedFiz: app engine
  1221. # [21:54] <Moo-_> free hosting
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  1223. # [21:54] <Moo-_> it's slick
  1224. # [21:55] <Moo-_> we are using it for couple of campaign sites and facebook apps
  1225. # [21:55] <chromedFiz> yeah i have a blank test app on app engine hehe
  1226. # [21:55] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: I would, but that's because I have my own custom django project that I can rollout cookie cutter sites easily with
  1227. # [21:55] <tw2113> i think if i was to try and step up to any other languages, it'd either be python or javascript
  1228. # [21:56] <chromedFiz> i guess it seems more viable for me because php is second nature for me right now even with a cookie cuter django setup id sturggle figuring out how to get it setup
  1229. # [21:56] <chromedFiz> because im not completely sure about everything im looking at
  1230. # [21:57] <chromedFiz> Pewpewarrows: so you think django would be a better solution then web2py?
  1231. # [21:58] <chromedFiz> i really need to study python structure
  1232. # [21:58] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: for me web2py was nice at first, but after the magic wore off it was a pain to use
  1233. # [21:58] <Pewpewarrows> django has a much more mature ecosystem of developers and apps
  1234. # [21:58] <chromedFiz> i just started with web2py have started with django yet
  1235. # [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> one of the general criticisms of web2py from the py community is that it doesn't follow "explicit is better than implicit"
  1236. # [21:59] <tw2113> heh, it helps to open your php before you close it
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  1238. # [22:02] <chromedFiz> Pewpewarrows: you do a lot of python dev?
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  1241. # [22:03] * grantgalitz needs a fail-whale for http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
  1242. # [22:03] <grantgalitz> lol
  1243. # [22:03] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: yep
  1244. # [22:03] <grantgalitz> paulrouget: My server is trying to keep up. :P
  1245. # [22:03] <chromedFiz> mind if i pick your brain here and there?
  1246. # [22:04] <tw2113> getting tons of traffic grantgalitz ?
  1247. # [22:04] <grantgalitz> tw2113: My res/proxy.php script is under assault
  1248. # [22:04] <tw2113> :D
  1249. # [22:04] <Pewpewarrows> chromedFiz: oh got right ahead
  1250. # [22:04] <grantgalitz> Because I proxy all ajax requests for gameboy ROMs through there for cross-domain ajax
  1251. # [22:05] <Pewpewarrows> s/got/go
  1252. # [22:05] <grantgalitz> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/res/proxy.php
  1253. # [22:05] <grantgalitz> that script. :/
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  1255. # [22:05] <tw2113> it needed a workout grant
  1256. # [22:05] <Pewpewarrows> grantgalitz: if you can find a pic of a gameboy shattered or broken in half, use that for your failwhale
  1257. # [22:05] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: nice idea
  1258. # [22:06] <grantgalitz> fyi, it'd be a shattered gameboy color
  1259. # [22:06] <tw2113> +1
  1260. # [22:06] <grantgalitz> for GBA, it'd be the GBA SP
  1261. # [22:07] <grantgalitz> tw2113: Should I also do a DS project?
  1262. # [22:07] <grantgalitz> nah, too heavy for JS
  1263. # [22:07] <grantgalitz> and would really piss of nintendo
  1264. # [22:07] <grantgalitz> *off
  1265. # [22:07] <tw2113> it's up to you
  1266. # [22:08] <Pewpewarrows> grantgalitz: nacl might be able to handle it :)
  1267. # [22:09] <grantgalitz> lol
  1268. # [22:09] <grantgalitz> I'll do it in java I ever default to NaCl
  1269. # [22:09] <tw2113> grantgalitz, no dividing by zero/42
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  1271. # [22:09] <tw2113> and no messing with /dev/null
  1272. # [22:09] <Neiluj_> I'm a late but Pewpewarrows and benv did you have the link for inputtypes classes ?
  1273. # [22:09] <tw2113> you know what happened last time
  1274. # [22:09] <grantgalitz> *if I ever
  1275. # [22:10] <Pewpewarrows> Neiluj_: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/pull/176#issuecomment-719082
  1276. # [22:10] <Neiluj_> I just saw paul_irish commenting the concerned pull request https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/pull/176
  1277. # [22:10] <Neiluj_> yup, that's mine ;)
  1278. # [22:10] <Pewpewarrows> oh
  1279. # [22:10] <Neiluj_> really helpful...
  1280. # [22:10] <Pewpewarrows> SHHHHH
  1281. # [22:11] <Neiluj_> the git account is mine
  1282. # [22:11] * grantgalitz sees tetris requests...
  1283. # [22:11] <grantgalitz> The ROM requests have begun. :/
  1284. # [22:11] <Neiluj_> hope you found it useful ?
  1285. # [22:11] <Pewpewarrows> yeah that's a really nice addition
  1286. # [22:11] <tw2113> tell them that's illegal grantgalitz
  1287. # [22:11] * grantgalitz sends emails saying I do NOT give out pokemon ROMs
  1288. # [22:11] <grantgalitz> It's easy enough for them to get it themself
  1289. # [22:12] <grantgalitz> *themselves
  1290. # [22:12] <Pewpewarrows> we need a novelty countdown website for how long it'll take grantgalitz to get sent a cease and desist letter :(
  1291. # [22:12] <Neiluj_> is there somebody "happy" with an input date polyfill ?
  1292. # [22:14] <Neiluj_> I'm searching one which can work without displaying a full calendar, just a segmented input text with full keyboard support (L & R to switch to d, m or Y, and T & B for incr/decr), if there's not such one I'll make one
  1293. # [22:15] <paul_irish> Neiluj_: oh thats you.. right right. i took out the hasownproperty check from the middle.. (it was breaking it? iunno i probably broke it)
  1294. # [22:16] <paul_irish> and then i made it only write to className just once
  1295. # [22:16] <paul_irish> Neiluj_: i havent done one yet but see what afarkas's webshim uses. im pretty sure he uses jq ui
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  1297. # [22:16] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: lol
  1298. # [22:17] <grantgalitz> I already put it on github, so it'll be hard to remove it from the internet now. ;)
  1299. # [22:17] <Neiluj_> paul_irish: ok thx, strange of the hasownproperty :-/
  1300. # [22:17] <grantgalitz> Anyone can host their own copy of it now
  1301. # [22:17] <grantgalitz> appspot it if need be.
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  1303. # [22:20] <grantgalitz> Brodingo: hey
  1304. # [22:20] <Brodingo> sup
  1305. # [22:20] <paul_irish> Neiluj_: i think it was cuz of the ret = Modernizr whatever. iunno no big deal
  1306. # [22:20] <Brodingo> weekenddddd
  1307. # [22:21] <Neiluj_> paul_irish: about afarka's webshim, doesn't sound like what I want
  1308. # [22:21] <paul_irish> Brodingo: you should join the mdc docs sprint.. garann and janet (from austin) are all up in it
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  1310. # [22:21] <grantgalitz> aaaaawwwwwww yeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhh
  1311. # [22:21] <paul_irish> Neiluj_: i was just curious on what he was using for the polyfill.
  1312. # [22:21] <Neiluj_> and I would avoid jQ UI if possible... I know, I know...
  1313. # [22:21] <paul_irish> o. well then.
  1314. # [22:21] <Brodingo> ive been to garanns site, who is janet?
  1315. # [22:21] <grantgalitz> Brodingo: Weekend FTW
  1316. # [22:21] <paul_irish> janet is one of the MDC leads
  1317. # [22:21] <Brodingo> cool
  1318. # [22:23] <grantgalitz> PewPewarrows: I'll get a cease and desist for line 360 and downwards in https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/GameBoyCore.js
  1319. # [22:23] <grantgalitz> lol
  1320. # [22:23] <grantgalitz> That is a ROM built into every gameboy color ever built. (a.k.a. boot ROM, a.k.a. monitor ROM)
  1321. # [22:24] <Pewpewarrows> grantgalitz: hah
  1322. # [22:24] <grantgalitz> It was only dumped in fall 2009
  1323. # [22:24] <grantgalitz> So most gameboy emulators don't even have support for it
  1324. # [22:24] <grantgalitz> VBA, KiGB, etc.
  1325. # [22:24] <BrianBlakely> grantgalitz: Is there an alpha online I can play with? :)
  1326. # [22:24] <grantgalitz> BrainBlakely: yes!
  1327. # [22:24] <grantgalitz> http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/
  1328. # [22:25] <grantgalitz> get your own roms, and use firefox 4 to play it with.
  1329. # [22:25] <grantgalitz> (I wish chrome worked better with it, but alas no)
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  1332. # [22:26] <Pewpewarrows> grantgalitz: definitely saving that dump for rainy day reading material :)
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  1334. # [22:26] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows:There's a disassembly of the boot rom here - http://www.its.caltech.edu/~costis/cgb_hack/gbc_bios.txt
  1335. # [22:27] <grantgalitz> Good hacker reading material FTW. :D
  1336. # [22:28] <Pewpewarrows> hells yes
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  1338. # [22:29] <grantgalitz> heh, caltech hasn't gotten a cease and desist letter yet.
  1339. # [22:29] <Pewpewarrows> the early days of game programming has always fascinated me, the crazy tricks they had to do
  1340. # [22:29] <grantgalitz> lol
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  1342. # [22:30] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: Games in the old days were 100% ASM
  1343. # [22:32] <Pewpewarrows> I have an article buried in my bookmarks somewhere filled with the insane stuff the first pokemon game had to do to fit the game in memory
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  1345. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: MBC3 FTW
  1346. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> yeah
  1347. # [22:33] <grantgalitz> they had to do insane memory banking
  1348. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> which switches between more ROM or more RAM'
  1349. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> Where you could only do extended banking for one or the other at any one time, but not both
  1350. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> oh wait
  1351. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> I'm confusing this with MBC1
  1352. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> sorry
  1353. # [22:34] <grantgalitz> MBC3 had both at the same time, but limited ROM banking still.
  1354. # [22:35] <grantgalitz> MBC1 were the even earlier gameboy games
  1355. # [22:35] <grantgalitz> like kirby 1 and 2, duck tales, etc.
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  1357. # [22:35] <Pewpewarrows> I think they had to store your save data in the actual game map
  1358. # [22:35] <Pewpewarrows> oh now I remember
  1359. # [22:35] <Pewpewarrows> that's how the missingno1 bug happened
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  1361. # [22:36] <Pewpewarrows> you found a tile on the game map that had save data in it
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  1364. # [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> now 20 years later I realize the purpose behind those level passwords you had to use in games like megaman instead of save files
  1365. # [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> those passwords were probably just literal lines of assembly it jumped to
  1366. # [22:38] <Pewpewarrows> BUT I DIGRESS
  1367. # [22:38] <grantgalitz> Pewpearrows: The missingno bug occurred from the same ram being used and not being refilled properly
  1368. # [22:38] <grantgalitz> the random battle stuff
  1369. # [22:39] <grantgalitz> and the old guy fucked it up I think.
  1370. # [22:39] <grantgalitz> so you could go to cinnabar island to battle missingno and duplicate your 6th item
  1371. # [22:39] <grantgalitz> which for me was always a rare candy. lol
  1372. # [22:39] <grantgalitz> level 99 everything
  1373. # [22:40] <grantgalitz> But overall everything was crazy
  1374. # [22:40] <grantgalitz> like the goto like relative JR asm instruction jumps
  1375. # [22:40] <grantgalitz> ewww
  1376. # [22:41] <Pewpewarrows> hah
  1377. # [22:41] <Pewpewarrows> and yeah I just refreshed my memory of missingno with wikipedia
  1378. # [22:42] <grantgalitz> pokemon silver/gold/crystal had way more RAM to do shit with
  1379. # [22:42] <grantgalitz> as well as ROM spac
  1380. # [22:42] <grantgalitz> *space
  1381. # [22:42] <grantgalitz> because they use MBC5
  1382. # [22:43] <grantgalitz> crystal even used the GBC's banked work ram
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  1385. # [22:43] <grantgalitz> b/c it was gameboy color only (gb classic would get an error msg)
  1386. # [22:44] <grantgalitz> oh wait
  1387. # [22:44] <grantgalitz> wrong again
  1388. # [22:44] <grantgalitz> I keep mixing up MBCs
  1389. # [22:44] <grantgalitz> damnit
  1390. # [22:44] <paul_irish> http://www.appml.org/ quite interesting. declarative <carousel> in markup
  1391. # [22:44] <grantgalitz> pokemon yellow used MBC5
  1392. # [22:45] <grantgalitz> crystal / gold / silver used MBC3, because they used the RTC capabilities of MBC3.
  1393. # [22:45] <grantgalitz> do'h
  1394. # [22:45] * TheEmpath beer at work = good morale.
  1395. # [22:45] <grantgalitz> which is why crystal / gold/ silver did not use the double speed mode of gameboy colors
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  1397. # [22:46] <grantgalitz> because you *need* an MBC5 for double speed to work right
  1398. # [22:46] <grantgalitz> or so nintendo says
  1399. # [22:46] <grantgalitz> (double speed is double cpu clock speed)
  1400. # [22:47] <grantgalitz> oh
  1401. # [22:47] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head whether proxying the disqus api through my own site's backend just for people with js disabled is against the Terms of Use?
  1402. # [22:47] <grantgalitz> sorry for my irc spamz
  1403. # [22:48] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: I still need to emulate the MBC7 cartridge controller
  1404. # [22:48] <grantgalitz> only kirby's tilt n tumble uses that one
  1405. # [22:49] <grantgalitz> I've been looking into VBA's source code for that, since there are no docs on it.
  1406. # [22:49] <Pewpewarrows> grantgalitz: did you do the entire port of the dump to js yourself?
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  1408. # [22:49] <grantgalitz> Pewpewarrows: I wrote a PHP script that converted the gbc boot rom to a binary
  1409. # [22:49] <grantgalitz> http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/res/gbcDump.php
  1410. # [22:50] <grantgalitz> I mean converted the binary to a hex array
  1411. # [22:50] <grantgalitz> lol
  1412. # [22:50] <grantgalitz> word scramble
  1413. # [22:50] * grantgalitz needs to eat
  1414. # [22:50] * grantgalitz 's thought are not straight. :/
  1415. # [22:51] <Pewpewarrows> still impressive ^^
  1416. # [22:51] <grantgalitz> thx
  1417. # [22:51] <grantgalitz> gtg
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  1427. # [23:04] <chromedFiz> i want an snes emu that will play smoothly on this netbook
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  1430. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> chromedFiz: ZSNES
  1431. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> I don't think there's a JS SNES emu...
  1432. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> That would be amazing, though
  1433. # [23:07] <BrianBlakely> I enjoy my emulation, have been playing Mother 3 across three different machines :D
  1434. # [23:07] <chromedFiz> nesbox is the only one ive found web based
  1435. # [23:08] <chromedFiz> my netbook is chrome os so web only
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  1441. # [23:16] <BrianBlakely> Ah-ha
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  1443. # [23:20] <Moo-_> snes cpus would be too fast to emulate even with modern computers using whatever accelerated js engine you have
  1444. # [23:20] <Moo-_> so it is unlikely to happen in near future
  1445. # [23:33] <snover> your work is killing so many trees, BrianBlakely
  1446. # [23:33] <snover> so much coal, so much pollution
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  1448. # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> snover: Are we talking about this? http://www.webperformancetoday.com/2011/01/28/web-site-performance-green-issue/
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  1452. # [23:44] <grantg> paul_irish: I think I'm on the final level of Kirby's Dream Land 2 now. :/
  1453. # [23:44] <grantg> Now after the fact I've broadcasted my saves across youtube.
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  1459. # [23:50] <BrianBlakely> grantg: It would be awesome if there was a homebrew ROM built in
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  1461. # [23:50] <grantg> BrainBlakely: Currently the only ROM "built-in" is the GBC boot ROM
  1462. # [23:50] <grantg> and that starts before every ROM loaded in. :P
  1463. # [23:51] <grantg> If you mean a preset list of okay'd ROMs, that'd be great. :P
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  1465. # [23:51] <grantg> though I like the idea of letting the user load in his/her own ROMs.
  1466. # [23:52] <grantg> I do it way differently than say bfirsh's jsNES
  1467. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> grantg: Yeah, just a demo public domain ROM (I bring it up because my GB ROMs are on my external @ home)
  1468. # [23:52] <grantg> BrainBlakely: every pirate knows about doperoms.com ;)
  1469. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> Heh, I was just there!
  1470. # [23:52] <grantg> saying it's illegal, but it's easy to get to. xD
  1471. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> Looking for PD roms.. I am at the office, after all
  1472. # [23:53] <grantg> oh
  1473. # [23:53] <grantg> heh
  1474. # [23:53] <BrianBlakely> Though they probably wouldn't care...
  1475. # [23:53] <grantg> They'd be more concerned that you're on IRC and trying to even get ROMs for some random js project. xD
  1476. # [23:53] <grantg> heheh
  1477. # [23:55] <grantg> ...
  1478. # [23:56] <grantg> A manager would be more worried about lost productivity due to IRC.
  1479. # [23:57] <grantg> shout out to all the cubical workers here. xD
  1480. # Session Close: Sat Jan 29 00:00:00 2011

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