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  39. # [01:14] <Moo-_> is there an easy, supported, way of doing document ready event without jquery etc.?
  40. # [01:14] <Moo-_> like, how google adsense and others do it
  41. # [01:15] <xonecas> Moo-_: a safe bet would be window.onload
  42. # [01:15] <xonecas> it comes just after ready
  43. # [01:16] <Pewpewarrows> depending on the site window.onload could come much later than the DOM ready event
  44. # [01:16] <xonecas> but if you want to execute before images are loaded, then try DOMContentLoaded
  45. # [01:16] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: yup
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  47. # [01:17] <Pewpewarrows> Moo-_: you could always just look at the jquery source and abstract out their logic
  48. # [01:17] <Moo-_> xonecas: DOMContentLoad is supported but Mozilla and Webkit
  49. # [01:17] <Moo-_> ?
  50. # [01:17] <Moo-_> I don't care about IE... bwahahahahahaa
  51. # [01:17] <Moo-_> this is the power of... HTML5!
  52. # [01:17] <xonecas> ehh dunno, gonna have to ask google about that
  53. # [01:17] <Moo-_> will do
  54. # [01:18] <xonecas> Moo-_: you should at least support ie, html5 doesn't mean that we leave ie users to hang out to dry (but I do understand the desire to do so...)
  55. # [01:18] <xonecas> *ie8
  56. # [01:18] <Moo-_> xonecas: I am doing mobile browsers
  57. # [01:19] <xonecas> oh, then mobile ie shouldn't give a horrible time
  58. # [01:19] <xonecas> :-)
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  60. # [01:19] <Pewpewarrows> what's the WP7 marketshare look like these days?
  61. # [01:20] <tw2113> *shrugs* i ignore microsoft news
  62. # [01:20] <beeviz> low
  63. # [01:20] <Moo-_> xonecas: I don't care about Windows phone users
  64. # [01:20] <Moo-_> I'll just detect them by user agent and give them a Bill Gates face with caption "Are you happy NOW???"
  65. # [01:20] <beeviz> windows phone 7 is another piece of crap from microsoft mobile
  66. # [01:21] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: a shave over none!
  67. # [01:21] <Pewpewarrows> beeviz: idk, I've heard some nice things from friends who have it
  68. # [01:21] <xonecas> I found the mobile browser to not be as bad as it could be
  69. # [01:21] <beeviz> Pewpewarrows they still use ie7
  70. # [01:21] <xonecas> Not alot unexpected behaviors
  71. # [01:22] <beeviz> that means no geolocation support
  72. # [01:22] <beeviz> and phones without geolocation support in browser are sooo 2009
  73. # [01:23] <Pewpewarrows> well yeah the choice of IE on it was expected but unfortunate
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  75. # [01:23] <Pewpewarrows> I meant as a whole with the device
  76. # [01:23] <Pewpewarrows> and reports show that it's at around 3-5% marketshare right now
  77. # [01:23] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: I have one to test with, and even tough its not very pretty is highly usable
  78. # [01:23] <xonecas> I found myself browsing on it just because it was faster
  79. # [01:24] <xonecas> (when compared to my android phone)
  80. # [01:24] <xonecas> not in browsing speed, but the ui overal seems more fluid. easy to use.
  81. # [01:24] <Moo-_> xonecas: which android phone you have?
  82. # [01:24] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: yeah, it's replacing the crackberries from a few of my friends
  83. # [01:24] <xonecas> maybe its because it has no graphics to lag it down
  84. # [01:25] <xonecas> Moo-_: nexus one
  85. # [01:25] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: yes, I would take a HD7 over any crackberry
  86. # [01:26] <xonecas> Moo-_: using html5boilerplate I have very few issues developing for the windows phone
  87. # [01:26] <Pewpewarrows> hmm, I really hope the 3.0 sdk google put out is far behind trunk, if it's not I can't see them fixing the major issues people are seeing in just 3 weeks
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  90. # [01:27] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: i'm a little worried on how this android separations is going to affect the os as a whole
  91. # [01:27] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: what do you mean?
  92. # [01:27] <xonecas> I hope, I can have software updates on my nexus up to the latest version
  93. # [01:28] <xonecas> I say this because 3 (honeycomb) requires dual cores
  94. # [01:28] <xonecas> (so i've read somewhere)
  95. # [01:28] <Moo-_> xonecas: untrue
  96. # [01:28] <Moo-_> it has been busted by google
  97. # [01:28] <xonecas> oh good
  98. # [01:28] <Moo-_> I expect nexus one go to up android 2.4 at least
  99. # [01:28] <Pewpewarrows> yeah I thought the dual core thing was just for the tablet version
  100. # [01:29] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: I want to see what happens with these 2 brances, does this mean that android for phones ends at 3.0
  101. # [01:29] <xonecas> or will they maintain different codebases for each type of device
  102. # [01:30] <xonecas> lets not forget that google tv is also android based
  103. # [01:30] <xonecas> thats 3 branches of the os already
  104. # [01:30] <Pewpewarrows> 2.4 is just a rumor
  105. # [01:30] <Pewpewarrows> the 3.0 emulator runs on phone screen sizes
  106. # [01:31] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: I thought that 3 had a completly revised ui
  107. # [01:31] <xonecas> is it still workable on a phone?
  108. # [01:32] <Pewpewarrows> there are pics up on xda of the phone emulator running 3.0
  109. # [01:32] <xonecas> I should google for those, take a look
  110. # [01:33] <Pewpewarrows> from what I gather, 3.0 is the next version for both, officially supports tablets, and adds a lot more to the UI when it's running on a tablet
  111. # [01:33] <Pewpewarrows> they've never explicitly said 3.0 is tablets-only
  112. # [01:33] <Pewpewarrows> at least not that I've come across
  113. # [01:34] <Pewpewarrows> "In an Engadget interview after CES, the UX guy who recently joined Android (from HP Palm) said that 3.1 will bring Android cell and Android tablet back into 1 version of the OS. Much like an app can have multiple "styles" for different resolutions, the OS will be fully capable of scaling to any realistic screen size."
  114. # [01:34] <Pewpewarrows> so Ice Cream is 3.1
  115. # [01:34] <Pewpewarrows> I think that clears it up
  116. # [01:35] <xonecas> awesome
  117. # [01:36] <xonecas> can't wait :-)
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  119. # [01:36] <xonecas> I've been holding off for a tablet, I want a android one :-) there is no joy in coding objective-c, I'll take java instead
  120. # [01:37] <Moo-_> neither java or objective-c are fun
  121. # [01:37] <Pewpewarrows> I prefer PhoneGap
  122. # [01:37] <Moo-_> xonecas: but I have found monotouch and monodroid wonderful
  123. # [01:38] <Pewpewarrows> for everything other than high-performance apps (like games), I see no reason to hand-code my mobile stuff
  124. # [01:38] <Pewpewarrows> write once in HTML/CSS/JS, deploy to all mobile platforms
  125. # [01:38] <xonecas> Moo-_: Pewpewarrows phone gap is killer, but sometimes I need to use method from the java core
  126. # [01:38] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: I love phonegap it works killer
  127. # [01:39] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: yeah in that case I'd drop down to native and submit a patch to the phonegap guys :)
  128. # [01:39] <xonecas> but like you said, sometimes you needd a more native approach
  129. # [01:39] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: good point, I didn't know I could submit patches to them
  130. # [01:39] <Moo-_> xonecas: I have been using Phonegap. It is a proper tool for some tasks, but not all of them.
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  132. # [01:39] <xonecas> true
  133. # [01:39] <Moo-_> building native UI with right tools is much more pleasurable
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  135. # [01:40] <xonecas> example, I coded this service that runs on my phone, and once connected to my home wireless, it will send a signal to my other computes, to wake the screens up, stop torrents. when I leave the home network, the screens go off, and torrents resume
  136. # [01:40] <xonecas> could not do that with phonegap unfortunatly
  137. # [01:40] <Moo-_> and the fact that you can insert breakpoints to your application and you can actually debug it
  138. # [01:41] <Moo-_> unlike, when webkit just simply dies under your app
  139. # [01:41] <xonecas> eheh
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  141. # [01:45] <Moo-_> does anyone have example how to invoke google adsense from pure javascript code?
  142. # [01:47] <Moo-_> hmm
  143. # [01:47] <Moo-_> I hope I don't need to call document.write
  144. # [01:49] <Isowerk> I am not sure if I understand your question
  145. # [01:50] <Isowerk> Isn't the code already javascript?
  146. # [01:51] <Isowerk> As far as I understand you set some params using google_insertvariablehere and then call the show_ads.js from the Google CDN
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  148. # [01:52] <Moo-_> yeah
  149. # [01:53] <Moo-_> but the default code is somehow depending on document.write
  150. # [01:53] <Moo-_> I'd want to have full async version
  151. # [01:53] <Isowerk> So you want to take Google's code from the CDN and hardcode it into your page?
  152. # [01:54] <Pewpewarrows> can we start some kind of movement to get developers to stop saying in their documentation to add script tags in the head pointing to their js file
  153. # [01:54] <Pewpewarrows> it's just encouraging bad behavior everywhere I look
  154. # [01:54] <Moo-_> Isowerk: no
  155. # [01:55] <Moo-_> Isowerk: I want to dynamically include Google's code from CDN
  156. # [01:55] <Moo-_> and I want to control with Javascript whether the code comes there or not
  157. # [01:55] <Pewpewarrows> Moo-_: http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/2506/is-it-possible-to-use-asynchronous-google-adsense-i-e-non-blocking
  158. # [01:55] <Pewpewarrows> ?
  159. # [01:55] <Moo-_> Pewpewarrows: thx
  160. # [01:55] <Moo-_> I think this is exactly what I was looking for
  161. # [01:56] <Pewpewarrows> I really hope the name choice of "webmasters" is a joke
  162. # [01:57] <Isowerk> Moo- I think that what you are trying to do is prohibited
  163. # [01:57] <Moo-_> Isowerk: :(
  164. # [01:57] <Isowerk> I would check on the google adsense forums
  165. # [01:58] <Isowerk> You are basically messing with Google's ability to target the ads to your content by doing so.
  166. # [01:58] <Isowerk> Thus destroying their value proposition to the advertisers
  167. # [01:59] <Moo-_> hmm
  168. # [01:59] <Moo-_> makes sense
  169. # [01:59] <Isowerk> I just want to make sure you get paid at the end of the month :)
  170. # [02:00] <Pewpewarrows> does this food delivery site really allow individual restaurants to put auto-playing audio on their menu page
  171. # [02:00] <Pewpewarrows> UGH
  172. # [02:04] <Isowerk> Is anybody working on an earth shattering project that needs some help?
  173. # [02:04] <Isowerk> I am frustrated. All my colleagues and friends are boring and don't want to work on projects in their free time.
  174. # [02:04] <Pewpewarrows> Isowerk: I will in the upcoming weeks
  175. # [02:05] <Moo-_> Isowerk: it is not forbidden in TOS or Policy
  176. # [02:05] <Moo-_> I guess they are ok as long as AdSense bot can crawl the page
  177. # [02:05] <Isowerk> Moo: Well then knock yourself out :)
  178. # [02:05] <Pewpewarrows> Moo-_: I'd still ask on the adsense site anyway
  179. # [02:05] <Pewpewarrows> just to be sure
  180. # [02:06] <Moo-_> I have found it utterly useless try to ask anything from Google
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  182. # [02:13] <Moo-_> ok
  183. # [02:13] <Moo-_> the ad code is contained in anoymous function
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  185. # [02:13] <Moo-_> I am not sure if this is invoked if I create <script> dynamically
  186. # [02:13] <Moo-_> or does document.write fail
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  198. # [02:46] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: http://mudge.github.com/2011/01/29/combining-and-compressing-disqus-and-google-analytics-javascript.html
  199. # [02:48] <Fuld> Moo-_, document.write() is for when it only has to work sometimes.
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  201. # [02:57] <Moo-_> Fuld: yeah
  202. # [02:57] <Moo-_> figured it out
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  221. # [04:13] <antonkovalyov> ?tell paul_irish awesome, thanks
  222. # [04:13] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
  223. # [04:15] <digitalfiz> ?tell paul_irish i like pizza
  224. # [04:15] <bot-t> digitalfiz, Okay.
  225. # [04:15] <digitalfiz> :D
  226. # [04:17] <tw2113> ?tell antonkovalyov and digitalfiz they like the bot too much
  227. # [04:17] <bot-t> tw2113, Okay.
  228. # [04:18] <digitalfiz> bot-t, i love you
  229. # [04:18] <bot-t> no you don't
  230. # [04:18] <digitalfiz> YES I DO!
  231. # [04:19] <tw2113> put your heart into telling it
  232. # [04:21] <tw2113> say it like you mean it digitalfiz
  233. # [04:21] <digitalfiz> bot-t, I LOVE YOU!
  234. # [04:21] <bot-t> digitalfiz, .mouseover() - Bind an event handler to the "mouseover" JavaScript event, or trigger that event on an element. http://api.jquery.com/mouseover/
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  240. # [04:46] <thatryan> i love when I poke my head back in and people are making out with bot
  241. # [04:47] <tw2113> jealous?
  242. # [04:54] <thatryan> heck yes
  243. # [05:02] <digitalfiz> the bot knows how to get me going
  244. # [05:02] <digitalfiz> i say i love it and it starts talking dirty to me
  245. # [05:04] <digitalfiz> bot-t, tell me more about mouseovers
  246. # [05:04] <bot-t> digitalfiz, Okay.
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  249. # [05:23] <thatryan> lol
  250. # [05:23] <thatryan> thats hot!
  251. # [05:24] <thatryan> bot-t: tell me about live events
  252. # [05:24] <bot-t> thatryan, Okay.
  253. # [05:24] <thatryan> score
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  255. # [05:25] <tw2113> [09:18pm] <digitalfiz> bot-t, I LOVE YOU!
  256. # [05:25] <tw2113> [09:18pm] <bot-t> digitalfiz, .mouseover() - Bind an event handler to the "mouseover" JavaScript event, or trigger that event on an element. http://api.jquery.com/mouseover/
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  263. # [05:39] <masondesu> Looks #HTML5 is the place to be on Saturday night
  264. # [05:39] <bot-t> (125 hours ago) <paul_irish> tell masondesu http://docs.jquery.com/Getting_Involved
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  266. # [05:41] <noxxten> masondesu: obviously, you can't miss this party aye?
  267. # [05:41] <masondesu> ha!
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  269. # [05:44] <masondesu> Finally got around to watching voodootikigod's community.js talk. So good. http://jsconf.eu/2010/communityjs_by_chris_williams_1.html
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  273. # [06:14] <tw2113> :D
  274. # [06:14] <thatryan> OUCH
  275. # [06:14] * tw2113 hands him a beer
  276. # [06:14] <tw2113> named Certified Evil
  277. # [06:15] <tw2113> on the bottle it says "swirl sip scheme"
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  281. # [06:26] <thatryan> lol man you are violent tonight!
  282. # [06:26] <thatryan> also, stop killing me :)
  283. # [06:27] <tw2113> beer is living
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  285. # [06:33] <Isowerk> anybody here has experience with keyboard event handling?
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  289. # [06:43] <Pewpewarrows> in what, javascript?
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  292. # [06:56] <thatryan> tw2113: trout slapped what what!
  293. # [06:57] <tw2113> i would slap you with a beer, but then i'd spill the beer
  294. # [06:57] <tw2113> and that's just wrong
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  297. # [07:02] <tw2113> get the shortcode to work yet thatryan /
  298. # [07:02] <tw2113> ?
  299. # [07:02] <thatryan> no
  300. # [07:02] <thatryan> it just echoes the url lol
  301. # [07:02] <thatryan> ill just build my own function and re code it i guess
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  307. # [08:24] <KDN> Sorry for a little off topic question, but does anyone know any peeps on the Google Web Fonts team? I sent a request regarding one of my fonts a few weeks ago, but they have responded yet.
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  332. # [10:40] <Figaroo> why is it that in IE, when setting the background to my section element, it appears with holes in it?
  333. # [10:40] <Figaroo> it doesn't appear like a blue box, only the text background is set.
  334. # [10:41] <Figaroo> I've included the html5shiv script, should that be enough to get IE to work with new HTML5 elements?
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  336. # [10:44] <Figaroo> anyone care to shed some light?
  337. # [10:52] <Figaroo> this is bullsh!t, IE doesn't style the section element correctly even with HTML5Shiv!
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  340. # [10:57] <Figaroo> wait, it does the same weird thing with divs.
  341. # [10:57] <Figaroo> nvm then.
  342. # [10:57] <Figaroo> is it okay to have a h1 then a section with an h3 in it (skip the h2)?
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  350. # [11:30] <Figaroo> does this channel cover css3 too?
  351. # [11:30] <Figaroo> cause, I was wondering why text-overflow doesn't work when text overflows the height of an element?
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  353. # [11:32] <Figaroo> should it, but browsers have just not implemented it correctly yet?
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  360. # [11:40] <jetienne> i guess there are limitations on how i can generate a click event, in order not to cheat with ads click counter. What is the limitation on how to generate click ?
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  380. # [14:08] <jetienne> i guess there are limitations on how i can generate a click event, in order not to cheat with ads click counter. What is the limitation on how to generate click ?
  381. # [14:08] <jetienne> looks like spam... but 150min in between :)
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  384. # [14:28] <Moo-_> jetienne: your question doesn't make sense
  385. # [14:28] <Moo-_> jetienne: to get meaningful answers, try to rephrase your question and make it contain more background information
  386. # [14:28] <Moo-_> WHY you are things not WHAT you try to do
  387. # [14:29] <jetienne> Moo-_: ok i want create a click event on a web page. it doesnt work when i do it on a <a>. why ?
  388. # [14:29] <Moo-_> still lacking WHY
  389. # [14:29] <jetienne> Moo-_: because im a coder
  390. # [14:29] <Moo-_> you are obviously doing it wrong
  391. # [14:29] <jetienne> Moo-_: relax a bit
  392. # [14:29] <Moo-_> what you try to accomplish to generate a click on a?
  393. # [14:29] <jetienne> Moo-_: you mean it is supposed to work ?
  394. # [14:30] <Moo-_> what do you expect to happen?
  395. # [14:30] <Moo-_> how it is related to your application?
  396. # [14:30] <jetienne> the same as when the user click on a <a>
  397. # [14:30] <g105b> jetienne: where is your test case?
  398. # [14:30] <jetienne> g105b: none published
  399. # [14:30] <jetienne> g105b: do you mean it should work ?
  400. # [14:30] <g105b> jetienne: make a test case on jsfiddle.net
  401. # [14:31] * Moo-_ learns about jsfiddle.net
  402. # [14:31] <Moo-_> excellent service
  403. # [14:31] <jetienne> ok so you guys cant say if it should work or not ?
  404. # [14:31] <Moo-_> probably you can accomplish the same thing by setting window.location manually
  405. # [14:32] <jetienne> Moo-_: doing that would reload the whole page. i would prefere to load the page in a new tab if possible
  406. # [14:33] <Moo-_> so you want to load a new tab? :)
  407. # [14:33] <Moo-_> that question makes more sense :)
  408. # [14:33] <jetienne> Moo-_: this is part of it. yes. can you suggest a solution ?
  409. # [14:34] <Moo-_> I am not sure if browsers expose the behavior how they manipulate tabs or windows, at least in cross-browser compatible manner
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  411. # [14:34] <jetienne> Moo-_: according to my search, this is not possible
  412. # [14:34] <Moo-_> ok
  413. # [14:35] <Moo-_> I'd expected so :(
  414. # [14:35] <jetienne> but my click creation issue remains... this is related but on a != project
  415. # [14:35] <Moo-_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/210643/in-javascript-can-i-make-a-click-event-fire-programmatically-for-a-file-input-e
  416. # [14:36] <Moo-_> I think it might have similar restrictions
  417. # [14:36] <Moo-_> to prevent advertisement, etc.
  418. # [14:36] <Moo-_> the pop-up madness
  419. # [14:37] <jetienne> Moo-_: your search is better than mine
  420. # [14:37] <Moo-_> jetienne: usually, you need to step back and look the bigger picture again
  421. # [14:38] <Moo-_> maybe normal pop up window is enough
  422. # [14:38] <jetienne> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DOM:element.click#1028373 <- mozilla limitation on click (only on <input>)
  423. # [14:38] <Moo-_> or do tabs using jQuery or such library, inside the window
  424. # [14:38] <jetienne> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-2651361 <- there
  425. # [14:39] <jetienne> Simulate a mouse-click. For INPUT elements whose type attribute has one of the following values: "button", "checkbox", "radio", "reset", or "submit".
  426. # [14:39] <Moo-_> that's why asked what you are doing
  427. # [14:39] <Moo-_> because you are probably trying to do something which is impossible
  428. # [14:39] <jetienne> Moo-_: part of it is to simulate a mouse...
  429. # [14:39] <Moo-_> jetienne: then it probably won't happen?
  430. # [14:39] <Moo-_> :)
  431. # [14:40] <jetienne> yep :)
  432. # [14:42] <Moo-_> back to square one, then? :)
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  435. # [14:43] <jetienne> well i will write the demo... just the absence of <a> click will make the demo a lot less nice
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  437. # [14:43] <Moo-_> jetienne: if you are really into it, you probably can hack a custom browser :)
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  452. # [16:06] <Pewpewarrows> jetienne: sorry if you figured it out already, but if the <a> is just invoking javascript, call that directly, or if it's just a plain old <a> grab its href attribute and set window.location to it.
  453. # [16:45] <monteslu> ok, just realized that chrome dev tools has firebug beat on something
  454. # [16:45] <monteslu> there isnt a localStorage viewer in firebug
  455. # [16:45] <monteslu> go Chrome!
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  457. # [16:47] <Pewpewarrows> meh, chrome dev tools has replaced firebug as my primary go-to tool for a while now
  458. # [16:47] <peque> hi all :)
  459. # [16:48] <monteslu> Pewpewarrows, only now for me now that Chrome 9 beta has a good net tab
  460. # [16:48] <monteslu> firebug was much better than it before that
  461. # [16:48] <Pewpewarrows> yeah the new split between network and resources was much needed
  462. # [16:48] <peque> is it possible to write this with HTML 5?: <a href=[...]><ul><li><a href[...]>link_inside_a_link</a></li></ul></a>
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  464. # [16:49] <Pewpewarrows> but I was sold as soon as they announced you could edit javascript live without having to reload, like css
  465. # [16:49] <Pewpewarrows> never looked back after that
  466. # [16:49] <monteslu> very cool stuff
  467. # [16:49] <monteslu> well, I'll always look back. Gotta see if there is anything else useful going on with firebug :)
  468. # [16:50] <Pewpewarrows> peque: when asking a question here, it's better for us to know what and why you're trying to do something
  469. # [16:50] <Pewpewarrows> not necessarily the how :)
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  472. # [16:57] <peque> Pewpewarrows: if you take a look here (http://local.ifsua.org/es/applications/games/arcade/), I think it would be great to click anywhere in the "Hedgewars" section to go to a further review, but still keep the link for the official website in it
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  474. # [16:57] <peque> ouch
  475. # [16:57] <peque> sorry
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  477. # [16:57] <peque> Pewpewarrows: here: http://ifsua.neosit.es/es/applications/games/arcade/
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  479. # [17:04] <Pewpewarrows> peque: well it's not valid to have an <a> tag inside another <a> tag, but it'll work
  480. # [17:05] <peque> Pewpewarrows: that's what I wanted to know, if it was HTML5 valid :)
  481. # [17:05] <peque> then I'll have to find another solution
  482. # [17:05] <peque> thanks a lot for your help :)
  483. # [17:05] <Pewpewarrows> np
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  543. # [20:50] <prof254> anyone here?
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  545. # [20:53] <Pewpewarrows> nope
  546. # [20:55] <tw2113> just us bots
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  548. # [21:01] <nimbupani> shepazu: sorry to bug, do you know why opera correctly renders this svg on resizing window? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/952/svgtutorial/index.html
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  557. # [21:03] <NiftyLettuce> hey anyone have an open source project idea they'd like to get started?
  558. # [21:03] <NiftyLettuce> any html5 work need done? svg related? I need some type of sandbox project to get more involved
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  560. # [21:04] <shepazu> NiftyLettuce: have you narrowed it down to script or CSS?
  561. # [21:05] <NiftyLettuce> probably a script or application
  562. # [21:05] <NiftyLettuce> something we can all benefit from
  563. # [21:05] <shepazu> oops
  564. # [21:05] <shepazu> sorry, NiftyLettuce
  565. # [21:05] <shepazu> I meant....
  566. # [21:05] <shepazu> nimbupani: have you narrowed it down to script or CSS?
  567. # [21:05] <NiftyLettuce> \o/
  568. # [21:06] <shepazu> nimbupani: I'd first remove the script to see if it's a CSS bug
  569. # [21:06] <nimbupani> shepazu: its working fine on all other browsers, and the width is set in css
  570. # [21:06] <shepazu> NiftyLettuce: how are you with math?
  571. # [21:06] <nimbupani> shepazu: its all js O_O
  572. # [21:06] <NiftyLettuce> shepazu: anything is possible in my mind sir
  573. # [21:06] <shepazu> nimbupani: I'd guess you are doing something on resize that you aren't doing onload
  574. # [21:07] <nimbupani> ohh O_O
  575. # [21:07] <nimbupani> hmmm
  576. # [21:07] <nimbupani> its using the polymaps
  577. # [21:07] <shepazu> or, at least, that the svg isn't triggering something onload
  578. # [21:07] <shepazu> nimbupani: then maybe you should microtest other polymaps stuff
  579. # [21:07] <shepazu> in opera
  580. # [21:07] <nimbupani> yeah
  581. # [21:07] <nimbupani> i will do that.
  582. # [21:08] <shepazu> NiftyLettuce: know anything about map projections?
  583. # [21:08] <NiftyLettuce> shepazu: no but I could learn
  584. # [21:08] <NiftyLettuce> shepazu: the project has to spike my interest
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  586. # [21:09] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: check the link above
  587. # [21:09] <shepazu> map projections are pretty tricky, actually
  588. # [21:09] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: i wasn't here when link was passed around
  589. # [21:09] <shepazu> I have an idea for a project, here: http://schepers.cc/map-not-proprietary
  590. # [21:10] <xonecas> So when I use a object oriented approach to javascript, do I have to return this on every class function?
  591. # [21:10] <nimbupani> polymaps is awes shepazu except they have sucky documentation
  592. # [21:10] <paul_irish> "sorry to bug, do you know why opera correctly renders this svg on resizing window? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/952/svgtutorial/index.html "
  593. # [21:10] <nimbupani> ha ha you could help NiftyLettuce
  594. # [21:10] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: right now divya is working with polymaps
  595. # [21:10] <shepazu> nimbupani: I like polymaps, but it solves a different problem than I want to solve
  596. # [21:10] <nimbupani> o sorry i didnt read what problem you were solving D:
  597. # [21:13] <shepazu> I want a simple script that lets me convert between lat/long and the x/y any given SVG map with a known projection and dimensions, and vice versa... and then also a standard way to export maps to those projectsion, so they work with that script... and then to provide a set of maps for each country, a world map, maybe down to large regional areas, like states, etc.... and map a bunch of styles to skin those maps
  598. # [21:13] <nimbupani> isnt that what polymaps doesn? :/
  599. # [21:13] <shepazu> people could then take those maps, and the simple script, and mash it up
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  601. # [21:13] <nimbupani> does rather
  602. # [21:13] <shepazu> nimbupani: not exactly
  603. # [21:14] <shepazu> or, maybe they have changed it since they first launched :)
  604. # [21:14] <nimbupani> okay what do you think is missing?
  605. # [21:14] <nimbupani> yeah O_O
  606. # [21:14] <shepazu> I'll have to check it again
  607. # [21:14] <nimbupani> coz in that previous link
  608. # [21:14] <nimbupani> i am rendering tweets per location
  609. # [21:14] <shepazu> maybe they did it, then, yay
  610. # [21:14] <nimbupani> ideally getting location lat/long info from geonames
  611. # [21:14] <shepazu> cool
  612. # [21:14] <nimbupani> and then placing them into the map.
  613. # [21:14] <shepazu> ok, I don' t think they did that at first... maybe they read my blog post
  614. # [21:15] <nimbupani> :)
  615. # [21:15] <nimbupani> http://polymaps.org/docs/map.html
  616. # [21:15] <nimbupani> yeah its pretty neat
  617. # [21:15] <nimbupani> if I zoomin/zoomout they location adjusts automatically
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  619. # [21:16] <nimbupani> my typos are worse today than usual
  620. # [21:16] <nimbupani> and the geoJson layer is pretty neat too http://polymaps.org/docs/geoJson.html
  621. # [21:17] <nimbupani> i emailed one of the contribs but got no response :'(
  622. # [21:18] <nimbupani> paul_irish: do you know any of em? https://github.com/simplegeo/polymaps/contributors
  623. # [21:19] <paul_irish> joe stump is the only name that i know
  624. # [21:19] <nimbupani> i didnt email him coz he seemed a big shot
  625. # [21:19] <nimbupani> :/
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  627. # [21:20] <nimbupani> maybe i should
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  629. # [21:22] <tw2113> afternoon antonkovalyov
  630. # [21:22] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, hey
  631. # [21:22] <bot-t> (17 hours 4 mins ago) <tw2113> tell antonkovalyov and digitalfiz they like the bot too much
  632. # [21:22] * xonecas waves hello
  633. # [21:23] <digitalfiz> :D
  634. # [21:25] <tw2113> dang http://www.iconshock.com/html5-icons/
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  636. # [21:27] <paul_irish> oh my
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  640. # [21:28] <nimbupani> whats that chevron logo i see?
  641. # [21:29] <paul_irish> i guess it refers to "html5 semantics"
  642. # [21:29] <NiftyLettuce> .... fail
  643. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> call up yves behar,
  644. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> his stuff for GE is wicked
  645. # [21:30] <paul_irish> yeah i could use a pink chair with a 5 on it
  646. # [21:30] <chipotle> are there reasons not to work on PSD to html/css/jquery conversions? i thought i read an article about why creating websites starting in PSDs are not a good idea...
  647. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: lmao
  648. # [21:30] <NiftyLettuce> chipotle: <3 my favorite restaurant
  649. # [21:30] * NiftyLettuce mmmm barbacoa...
  650. # [21:30] <paul_irish> chipotle: i know lots of people that prefer to design in the browser
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  652. # [21:31] <paul_irish> its kinda up to you
  653. # [21:31] <Pewpewarrows> chipotle: depends if your team has dedicated designers, and how knowledgable they are about html/css
  654. # [21:31] <paul_irish> i'd say to try both
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  656. # [21:31] <BrianBlakely> Does anyone know if Android 3.0 Honeycomb supports SVG? Goog pulled the SDK today(?) and I am SOL on testing
  657. # [21:32] <Pewpewarrows> if it's a solo project I might sketch up some wireframes, but that's the extent of my non-browser work
  658. # [21:32] <Pewpewarrows> BrianBlakely: we'll have a definitive answer on wednesday at the official preview event
  659. # [21:33] <BrianBlakely> Pewpewarrows: Ah, yes, the rumored smartphone event
  660. # [21:33] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: android phone recommendation?
  661. # [21:33] <paul_irish> nexus s
  662. # [21:33] <Pewpewarrows> ^
  663. # [21:33] <nimbupani> chipotle: i design in the browser :)
  664. # [21:34] <nimbupani> NO MO
  665. # [21:34] <nimbupani> i meann
  666. # [21:34] <nimbupani> psd only for creating required graphics
  667. # [21:34] <paul_irish> so many typos.
  668. # [21:34] <nimbupani> my fingers are hurtingz
  669. # [21:34] <paul_irish> :(
  670. # [21:34] <nimbupani> :(
  671. # [21:34] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: aye, my contract doesnt exp till august (or til when I'm eligible for free upgrade) -- so I'll prob hold off and just use TitaniumApp/Eclipse to simulate :(
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  673. # [21:35] <BrianBlakely> As it stands right now, I have to choose between IE (Raphaël) and Android (CSS3) when it comes to super-rich visuals
  674. # [21:35] <tw2113> I don't have a huge issue with starting designs in PSD, but the bigger issue is when you show static images to clients for approval
  675. # [21:35] <Pewpewarrows> NiftyLettuce: I'm in the same boat, can't upgrade till august, which hopefully will be enough time for the 3.x series to hit the phone
  676. # [21:35] <BrianBlakely> Would be nice to go full SVG (with progressive sprinkles of CSS3)
  677. # [21:36] <NiftyLettuce> Pewpewarrows: yeah I'm rocking my Samsung Impression though, its pretty slick phone
  678. # [21:36] <BrianBlakely> NiftyLettuce: The Xperia Play looks mighty nice if you enjoy gaming
  679. # [21:36] <NiftyLettuce> BrianBlakely: nah no gaming, time waster
  680. # [21:36] <Pewpewarrows> NiftyLettuce: tmobile mytouch 3g first edition, hardware's pretty awful :(
  681. # [21:36] <NiftyLettuce> Pewpewarrows: I was thinking of switching to Sprint instead of staying with ATT
  682. # [21:36] <BrianBlakely> NiftyLettuce: Same could be said of eBook also, in that case
  683. # [21:37] <antonkovalyov> oh my, everybody is on android
  684. # [21:37] <Pewpewarrows> idk, ATT seems like it's gearing up for the year of android on their network
  685. # [21:37] <antonkovalyov> nobody on jesus phone?
  686. # [21:37] <BrianBlakely> *raises hand*
  687. # [21:37] <nimbupani> i think i am gonna buy an iphone soon
  688. # [21:37] <antonkovalyov> (somebody told me that expression the other day; so true)
  689. # [21:38] <BrianBlakely> I love my iPhone, but I wish it stole even more from webOS
  690. # [21:38] <antonkovalyov> ya, iphone 4 is pretty good.
  691. # [21:38] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/fbtyz/new_study_facebook_makes_you_overestimate_how/
  692. # [21:38] <Pewpewarrows> I wish everyone stole more from webOS
  693. # [21:38] <Pewpewarrows> soooo underappreciated
  694. # [21:38] <antonkovalyov> webOS is awesome
  695. # [21:39] <antonkovalyov> hardware is pretty bad though
  696. # [21:39] <Pewpewarrows> ya
  697. # [21:39] <nimbupani> i dont like ui of anything but a mac
  698. # [21:39] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: We'll see about that in 10 days!
  699. # [21:39] <nimbupani> i guess i am a cultist
  700. # [21:39] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, are you from palm?
  701. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: No, but I am the #2-rated dev on their community forums :P
  702. # [21:40] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, webOS ui is as good as iOS
  703. # [21:40] <antonkovalyov> and tbh iOS home screen and menu bar ask for updates
  704. # [21:40] <antonkovalyov> much better implemented on android
  705. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> I was negotiating employment.. but then the walls came crumbling down, and I pulled a Ben/Dion (bailed)
  706. # [21:41] <antonkovalyov> nice
  707. # [21:42] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: I suspect iOS 5 will greatly improve the shell around apps.
  708. # [21:42] <BrianBlakely> I'm betting on universal access to radio settings, better app switching, better notifications
  709. # [21:43] <BrianBlakely> Those 4-finger gestures on 4.3 are a clear rip from webOS (if not a poorly-executed one)
  710. # [21:43] <antonkovalyov> 4-finger gestures?
  711. # [21:43] <Pewpewarrows> the quick app switches
  712. # [21:43] <BrianBlakely> You swipe 4 fingers left/right, and you switch apps, a la webOS's full-swipe on the gesture area
  713. # [21:44] <antonkovalyov> no shiiit
  714. # [21:44] <BrianBlakely> Works horribly on iPhone though, as you might imagine
  715. # [21:44] <nimbupani> i cant actually
  716. # [21:44] <antonkovalyov> doesnt owrk :(
  717. # [21:44] <antonkovalyov> work*
  718. # [21:45] <BrianBlakely> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vj3UdA5ZlI&feature=player_embedded
  719. # [21:45] <antonkovalyov> oh wait
  720. # [21:45] <antonkovalyov> i have 4.2.1
  721. # [21:45] <antonkovalyov> is 4.3 out yet?
  722. # [21:45] <BrianBlakely> Nope
  723. # [21:45] <BrianBlakely> Beta SDK
  724. # [21:45] <antonkovalyov> ah
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  726. # [21:46] <BrianBlakely> I'm hoping against hope for a true Web SDK for iOS this year
  727. # [21:46] <BrianBlakely> RIM has one, come on Apple!!
  728. # [21:46] <BrianBlakely> Are you less cool than *RIM*??
  729. # [21:46] <antonkovalyov> 4 fingers!
  730. # [21:46] <nimbupani> RIM is cool?!
  731. # [21:46] <nimbupani> since when?!
  732. # [21:47] <antonkovalyov> why not both hands
  733. # [21:47] <BrianBlakely> Since they released the beta WebWorks SDK
  734. # [21:47] <BrianBlakely> That's like two-pairs-of-dark-sunglasses cool
  735. # [21:47] <nimbupani> umm only for developers
  736. # [21:48] <Pewpewarrows> BrianBlakely: but how many popped collars cool?
  737. # [21:48] <BrianBlakely> 7
  738. # [21:48] <BrianBlakely> 7!!!
  739. # [21:48] <Pewpewarrows> oh damn
  740. # [21:48] <xonecas> I got a few phones, iPhone, nexus One, focus, I try to keep one of each os, and up to the latest. Carrier aside, the best phone imho is the nexus, its just fast and efficient. between the windows phone and the apple one, I think they are both as capable but, the apple software is much more mature (obviously)...
  741. # [21:48] <BrianBlakely> And 3 gobs of hair gel
  742. # [21:48] <Pewpewarrows> I don't think I can handle that
  743. # [21:48] <BrianBlakely> Basically, RIM belongs on Jersey Shore they're so cool
  744. # [21:49] <xonecas> and thats my 2 cents :-)
  745. # [21:50] <nimbupani> this kinda cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwK3vFGJp0
  746. # [21:50] <Pewpewarrows> I want a distributable VM with an expiring mac os and iphone dev kit on it, but that's obviously not gonna happen :/
  747. # [21:50] <nimbupani> i only see android, rim and webOS there :D
  748. # [21:50] * nimbupani ducks
  749. # [21:51] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: that's a bad thing?
  750. # [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> why isn't ios there head bobbing
  751. # [21:52] <nimbupani> coz they are ACTUALLY COOL
  752. # [21:52] <Pewpewarrows> ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT
  753. # [21:52] * nimbupani should stop trolling
  754. # [21:52] <tw2113> troll on
  755. # [21:53] <BrianBlakely> Whatever you think of iOS, at least its browser isn't a tweaked build of IE7
  756. # [21:53] <BrianBlakely> -_-
  757. # [21:53] <nimbupani> the win phone 7 does look neat but i dont know yet how the UI feels
  758. # [21:53] <xonecas> nimbupani: fast and oversimplistic
  759. # [21:54] <nimbupani> is that bad xonecas
  760. # [21:54] <xonecas> true
  761. # [21:54] <xonecas> all the cool hackery is hidden under a thick layer of abstraction
  762. # [21:54] <nimbupani> but thats good no? almost like iOS then
  763. # [21:55] <xonecas> depends, for the end user its great, because dumb dumb can figure it out
  764. # [21:56] <xonecas> for developers/power users it sucks, because you can get to the actual system resources
  765. # [21:56] <nimbupani> cant you mean
  766. # [21:57] <xonecas> yes, ups... i've been working for a while, converting some js code to object oriented js
  767. # [21:57] <xonecas> typos are increasing :-)
  768. # [21:58] <Neiluj> nimbupani & paul_irish: Modernizr isn't detecting css3 selectors like nth-child, am I right ? is it an undetectable ?
  769. # [21:58] <paul_irish> its detectable.
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  771. # [21:58] <paul_irish> modernizr doesnt do it
  772. # [21:58] <Neiluj> how ?
  773. # [21:59] <Neiluj> ok... I know...
  774. # [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> make some elements, inline style, see if the style is applied
  775. # [21:59] <Neiluj> why modernizr doesn't ?
  776. # [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> not inline
  777. # [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> but a style element
  778. # [21:59] <paul_irish> cuz it doesnt.
  779. # [21:59] <paul_irish> https://github.com/dperini/css-support
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  781. # [22:00] <Neiluj> not planned or not modernizr's goal ?
  782. # [22:01] <paul_irish> iunno. i have some modernizr plugins that do this
  783. # [22:01] <paul_irish> i'm fine with it
  784. # [22:01] <tw2113> use selectivzr
  785. # [22:01] <paul_irish> you use jquery to select an add classes without support, Neiluj?
  786. # [22:01] <tw2113> at least for your IE support needs
  787. # [22:02] <Neiluj> paul_irish: yup, that's something I'm thinking about
  788. # [22:03] <paul_irish> sounds good to me.
  789. # [22:03] <paul_irish> Neiluj: https://gist.github.com/441842
  790. # [22:04] <Neiluj> i'm afraid there will be some FOUC if I'm not doing this before <body>...
  791. # [22:04] <Neiluj> oh thx
  792. # [22:05] <Neiluj> btw, did you plan to put a plugin page for Modernizr ?
  793. # [22:05] <paul_irish> Neiluj: yeah it'd have to be in head
  794. # [22:05] <Neiluj> my applyClasses should be one
  795. # [22:05] <Neiluj> as you show me
  796. # [22:05] <paul_irish> agreed
  797. # [22:05] <paul_irish> umm so for now the issue tracker and wiki keep track of all of them
  798. # [22:06] <paul_irish> they will be merged into the real site though
  799. # [22:06] <Neiluj> okay, good to know
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  803. # [22:11] <Neiluj> mmh I remember something I saw the other day on my iPad on what of my site using Modernizr
  804. # [22:11] <Neiluj> there's an <input> showing quickly
  805. # [22:11] <Neiluj> with "50" inside
  806. # [22:11] <paul_irish> fixed it
  807. # [22:11] <Neiluj> ok
  808. # [22:11] <paul_irish> in 1.7
  809. # [22:12] <paul_irish> ipads are REALLY SLOW apparently
  810. # [22:12] <Neiluj> ok, I'll update
  811. # [22:12] <Neiluj> hehe
  812. # [22:13] <Neiluj> I suppose it was an element on which the tests are done right ?
  813. # [22:16] <paul_irish> yup
  814. # [22:16] <paul_irish> That growth, combined with what Taylor called the “inherent engineering challenge” of mobile today, represents a major headache for him and the tech team he leads at Facebook.
  815. # [22:16] <paul_irish> Namely, whenever they update a feature on the site, they have to do seven versions, so it can run on the iPhone, Android and other platforms now in use.
  816. # [22:16] <paul_irish> “HTML5 is the future platform,” he said. “That’s where we’re putting a huge amount of our resources.”
  817. # [22:19] <Neiluj> sorry to ask but ... where is this damn 1.7 ? :-/ I just saw 1.6 and 2.0 ...
  818. # [22:20] <Neiluj> 2.0 = 1.7 + builder ?
  819. # [22:22] <antonkovalyov> portlandia is funny
  820. # [22:22] <nimbupani> omg where did you download??
  821. # [22:22] <nimbupani> i cant find on torrentz
  822. # [22:23] <nimbupani> or hulu >_>
  823. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, http://btjunkie.org/search?q=portlandia
  824. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> you will like it, nimbupani
  825. # [22:23] <nimbupani> there are like 5 episodes antonkovalyov!
  826. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> since you are all local hippy coffee
  827. # [22:23] <nimbupani> but i see only episode 2 here :/
  828. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> i just watched the first one
  829. # [22:23] <nimbupani> ya ya ya i have seen e01
  830. # [22:24] <nimbupani> long time back when they had it on hulu :/
  831. # [22:24] <antonkovalyov> and i have the second
  832. # [22:24] <nimbupani> coolz i am getting the second.
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  837. # [22:32] <BrianBlakely> Portlandia is seriously cool
  838. # [22:32] <nimbupani> ACQUIRED
  839. # [22:32] * nimbupani watches
  840. # [22:32] <BrianBlakely> Re-watched "Dream of the 90s" a couple times yesterday :P
  841. # [22:40] <paul_irish> Neiluj: use the builder.
  842. # [22:40] <paul_irish> or just DL whats in github
  843. # [22:40] <paul_irish> :)
  844. # [22:40] <Neiluj> paul_irish: yeah, that's what I did ;) thx
  845. # [22:41] <paul_irish> nimbupani: lea verou is so coool
  846. # [22:41] <nimbupani> pie charts?
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  848. # [22:41] <paul_irish> yeah :D
  849. # [22:42] <paul_irish> "I've released new version of pngquant http://pornel.net/pngquant that uses gamma-corrected premultiplied alpha colorspace (i.e. sucks less)"
  850. # [22:42] <paul_irish> haha
  851. # [22:45] <paul_irish> ?mdc rem length
  852. # [22:45] <bot-t> paul_irish, length - Many CSS properties take <length> values, such as width , margin , padding , font-size , border-width , text-shadow etc. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/length
  853. # [22:45] <paul_irish> thought you said it was everywhere?
  854. # [22:45] <paul_irish> nimbupani:
  855. # [22:46] <nimbupani> its everywhere except opera
  856. # [22:46] <nimbupani> and IE 8-
  857. # [22:46] <nimbupani> i meann i couldnt fit versions into the tweet :|
  858. # [22:48] <paul_irish> nimbupani: didnt you make that compat table? 6
  859. # [22:48] <paul_irish> ^
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  861. # [22:51] <xonecas> nimbupani: so if I'm converting px to ems, px/parent-font-size = ems how would I go about this with rems? everything is based of the root font size: px/root font size = rems?
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  863. # [22:54] <nimbupani> paul_irish: I didnt do it for rem :/
  864. # [22:55] <nimbupani> xonecas: you can do font-size: 1.5rems which would mean 1.5 times the root font size
  865. # [22:55] <nimbupani> so if you set html { font-size: 18px; } it would be 1.5 * 18
  866. # [22:55] <nimbupani> iwoo watched portlandia ep 2
  867. # [22:55] <nimbupani> its not as great as ep 1 :/
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  869. # [22:56] <xonecas> hum I see, and when using rem, can we still resise the font, hence the layout (like with ems)?
  870. # [22:57] <nimbupani> i am not sure what you mean xonecas
  871. # [22:57] <nimbupani> you can specify width: 80rems
  872. # [22:57] <nimbupani> and it would mean 80 times the font size of root element
  873. # [22:57] <nimbupani> so if you increase font size of root element
  874. # [22:57] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: http://www.cyclelicio.us/2010/02/bike-ride-with-seattle-mayor-mike.html
  875. # [22:58] <xonecas> nimbupani: thats exactly what I was wondering :-)
  876. # [22:58] <xonecas> glad to see that someone understands my cryptic ingresh
  877. # [22:58] <nimbupani> yeah it should work xonecas but i have not tested it at all
  878. # [22:58] <nimbupani> ha ha ha
  879. # [22:58] <nimbupani> pls my english not so good also
  880. # [22:58] <xonecas> the best one I had, was getting corrected for wishing a "merry new years"
  881. # [22:59] <nimbupani> :)
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  883. # [23:01] <nimbupani> paul_irish: I only fixed angle!
  884. # [23:01] <nimbupani> nothing else
  885. # [23:01] <paul_irish> ok np
  886. # [23:01] <nimbupani> i saw this in the css3 mailing list
  887. # [23:01] <nimbupani> when i was cleaning up
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  889. # [23:03] <nimbupani> paul_irish: http://jsfiddle.net/nimbu/QmRQM/
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  891. # [23:03] <nimbupani> i cant find which version of webkit started supporting it.
  892. # [23:03] <xonecas> can someone give me a hint on how to use prototypes for a object oriented approach to javascript, without destroying performace?
  893. # [23:04] <xonecas> function bla () { ... }
  894. # [23:04] <xonecas> bla.prototype = { ... }
  895. # [23:04] <xonecas> seems to be very slow :-/
  896. # [23:07] <Neiluj> does somebody know how to make css3 column layout not cutting <p>s ??
  897. # [23:07] <Neiluj> I'm applying column-count to <p> parent
  898. # [23:07] <nimbupani> wat?
  899. # [23:08] <nimbupani> not cutting?
  900. # [23:08] <Neiluj> yeah, I want to "jump" to be after
  901. # [23:08] <Neiluj> *the* "jump"
  902. # [23:08] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: uhhhh, you're really getting performance issues doing that?
  903. # [23:08] <nimbupani> oh
  904. # [23:08] <nimbupani> noo :(
  905. # [23:08] <Neiluj> sounds impossible right? :)
  906. # [23:08] <nimbupani> ?g w3c css multicolumn
  907. # [23:08] <bot-t> nimbupani, CSS Multi-column Layout Module - http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/
  908. # [23:09] <nimbupani> there ya go
  909. # [23:09] <Peter`> Neiluj: use column-break-inside: avoid
  910. # [23:09] <nimbupani> break-inside
  911. # [23:09] <Peter`> I don't think it's available anywhere yet though
  912. # [23:09] <nimbupani> yeah
  913. # [23:09] <nimbupani> thats what i thought
  914. # [23:09] <Neiluj> mmh :) I'll try
  915. # [23:09] <paul_irish> it wasnt in saf4, nimbu
  916. # [23:10] <nimbupani> o i see paul_irish
  917. # [23:10] <nimbupani> thnx maybe i will update it then
  918. # [23:11] <Neiluj> doesnt work :/
  919. # [23:11] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: yeah a little, when compared to using a functional approach
  920. # [23:11] <nimbupani> paul_irish: can I assume saf 5's equivalent webkit introduced it :/
  921. # [23:11] <paul_irish> sounds good to me
  922. # [23:11] <paul_irish> i just updated the table a little bit nimbupani
  923. # [23:11] <Neiluj> Peter`: already used this successfully ?
  924. # [23:11] <nimbupani> o ok
  925. # [23:12] <Peter`> partially, Neiluj. Playing with the three different breaking styles in WebKit marginally changes rendering, though I haven't succeeded in avoiding breaks within elements myself
  926. # [23:12] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: I've been using Resig's solution fine so far, no real performance issues that I've seen... http://ejohn.org/blog/simple-javascript-inheritance/
  927. # [23:13] <Neiluj> Peter`: what do you mean by the three different breaking styles in Webkit ?
  928. # [23:14] <Peter`> Neiluj: there's break-before and break-after too
  929. # [23:14] <Peter`> Neiluj, I haven't really looked in to the properties yet, they're quite high on my list though
  930. # [23:15] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: Thanks that helps :-)
  931. # [23:15] <Neiluj> Peter`: ok thanks, I'll try quickly but unfortunately got no freetime for experimentation on this project
  932. # [23:16] <nimbupani> ok i edits paul_irish to match formatting on other pages
  933. # [23:18] <paul_irish> great
  934. # [23:22] <nimbupani> i cant wait to create some fun bg patterns with gradients
  935. # [23:22] <nimbupani> must be tomorrow.
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  937. # [23:25] <Neiluj> Peter`: http://zomigi.com/blog/deal-breaker-problems-with-css3-multi-columns/ "neither Firefox nor Webkit seem to support the http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/#column-breaks"
  938. # [23:25] <Neiluj> what a shame
  939. # [23:26] <Peter`> columns are very difficult to implement
  940. # [23:26] <Peter`> I'm really curious to know what Opera comes up with
  941. # [23:26] <Neiluj> mmh interesting, I'll try
  942. # [23:26] <Peter`> mind that it's WebKit rather than Webkit btw :)
  943. # [23:27] <nimbupani> ?slap Peter`
  944. # [23:27] * bot-t slaps Peter` around a bit with a large trout
  945. # [23:27] <Peter`> Don't, their implementation isn't available yet
  946. # [23:27] <antonkovalyov> anybody is stephenson's fan here?
  947. # [23:27] <Neiluj> oh ok
  948. # [23:27] <Peter`> ouch nimbupani
  949. # [23:27] <Peter`> that hurt :(
  950. # [23:27] <nimbupani> always correcting capitals
  951. # [23:27] <nimbupani> currentColor
  952. # [23:27] <nimbupani> WebKit
  953. # [23:27] <Peter`> nimbuPani
  954. # [23:27] * nimbupani fumes
  955. # [23:27] * paul_irish lols
  956. # [23:28] <Peter`> haha
  957. # [23:28] <nimbupani> by stephenson you mean dear Neal antonkovalyov?
  958. # [23:28] <antonkovalyov> ya
  959. # [23:28] <paul_irish> Peter`: you notice the incompat with chromium and github issues recently?
  960. # [23:28] <nimbupani> i like some of his stuff
  961. # [23:28] <nimbupani> takes a while to get to the point tho
  962. # [23:29] <Peter`> No, paul_irish
  963. # [23:29] <Peter`> not sure what you're referring at
  964. # [23:29] <paul_irish> shits brokennnnn
  965. # [23:29] <paul_irish> imma get a new new build and hope for the best
  966. # [23:30] <nimbupani> o yeah he lives in seattle
  967. # [23:30] <nimbupani> never seen him tho :/
  968. # [23:30] <snover> columns as described in the css3-multicol spec are kinda…really weird for web pages
  969. # [23:31] <xonecas> man why is it that setTimeout is faster in Chrome, than Firefox?
  970. # [23:33] <xonecas> paul_irish: I've noticed some weirdness, like the filter input box over the repos looks crazy. clipped and with 2 placeholder text in it
  971. # [23:33] <Pewpewarrows> Evernote really needs to re-do their web interface
  972. # [23:34] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: look at how less.js does their `exports` line.
  973. # [23:35] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, k
  974. # [23:35] <antonkovalyov> i just got a comment for node.js globals
  975. # [23:35] <antonkovalyov> gonna commit it real quick then will check less.js
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  979. # [23:41] <xonecas> paul_irish: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1754045/Screenshot.png ?
  980. # [23:44] <Pewpewarrows> xonecas: that's been how my chrome's rendered github for a while now
  981. # [23:45] <Pewpewarrows> I'm surprised they don't test against chrome thoroughly
  982. # [23:45] <nimbupani> wtf ? http://www.appml.org/demos.html
  983. # [23:46] <nimbupani> web-based apps that only work on webkit
  984. # [23:46] <nimbupani> WTG APPML
  985. # [23:48] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: aren't they only targeting mobile browsers?
  986. # [23:48] <nimbupani> o since when r all mobile browsers webkit?!
  987. # [23:49] <paul_irish> xonecas: weird. that works totally fine for me
  988. # [23:49] <Pewpewarrows> for smartphone browsers, webkit is the vast majority of marketshare
  989. # [23:49] <xonecas> paul_irish: what version is your chromium? one of the nightlys ?
  990. # [23:49] <Pewpewarrows> so I'm assuming they'd target those first
  991. # [23:49] <paul_irish> newest one they got.
  992. # [23:51] <nimbupani> only in US maybe Pewpewarrows
  993. # [23:51] <xonecas> so its fixed on yours, I'm at version 8.0.552.237
  994. # [23:51] <xonecas> looks like its time to build and compile again
  995. # [23:51] <Pewpewarrows> nimbupani: true, isn't Opera the leader internationally?
  996. # [23:52] <nimbupani> i dunno Pewpewarrows but I am pretty sure its not the webkits
  997. # [23:52] <xonecas> Pewpewarrows: nimbupani here's a shocker: rim's browser before version 6 holds the biggest maket share
  998. # [23:53] <xonecas> even though webkit is gaining fast in the us, the rest of the world still uses rim's outaded os heavily
  999. # [23:53] <xonecas> but in the US webkit is king
  1000. # [23:53] <nimbupani> yeah thats what i would think.
  1001. # [23:53] <nimbupani> but then mobile app is a wrong phrase
  1002. # [23:53] <nimbupani> coz mobile <> smartphones
  1003. # [23:54] <xonecas> for the world mobile == crappy java based browser aka WAP
  1004. # [23:54] <nimbupani> yeah or some built in shit
  1005. # [23:54] <nimbupani> like in nokia phones
  1006. # [23:55] <xonecas> I still remember my first nokia, from vodaphone
  1007. # [23:55] <nimbupani> i dont think thats java based
  1008. # [23:55] <xonecas> I tought that was the shit! for older (4-6 years ago) it was
  1009. # [23:55] <paul_irish> xonecas: 8 is reallllllly old bro
  1010. # [23:56] <xonecas> paul_irish: I've been lazy, it takes forever to build from source
  1011. # [23:56] <paul_irish> cant you run a build of chromium on linux that updates regularly?
  1012. # [23:56] <xonecas> we'll the version on the repos for archlinux is even older if I'm not mistaken
  1013. # [23:57] <xonecas> I'll just leave the computer working on it tonight
  1014. # [23:58] <paul_irish> xonecas: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=37244
  1015. # [23:59] <antonkovalyov> from feature request to commit: 30 mins https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/issue/8/#comment_723381
  1016. # [23:59] <antonkovalyov> SUCK IT CROCKFORD
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  1018. # [23:59] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: nice. if you paste the full SHA, github auto shortens it and links it
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  1020. # [23:59] <xonecas> paul_irish: yes i just saw that one, now to see if that is faster than doing it myself :-)
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