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- # Session Start: Tue Feb 01 00:00:00 2011
- # Session Ident: #html5
- # [00:00] <Neiluj> I know yepnope wasn't designed for this purpose but I want to use only one preloader lib, yepnope is great, I just don't want to use something more
- # [00:01] <Neiluj> I'll see what I can do with preloadFile
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- # [00:52] <BrianBlakely> I put together a jsperf on cookie parsing methods
- # [00:52] <BrianBlakely> http://jsperf.com/cookie-parsing
- # [00:53] <machogeek> Hey, anyone have an opinion on raphelJS
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- # [00:53] <BrianBlakely> I do
- # [00:53] <machogeek> Good / Bad ?
- # [00:53] <BrianBlakely> Great
- # [00:54] <machogeek> Cool
- # [00:54] <machogeek> Better to use that over say just going strait to SVG or canvas ?
- # [00:54] <BrianBlakely> If you want to support IE, I'd say it's mandatory
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- # [00:56] <BrianBlakely> If not, then you have to estimate the time it would take you to re-write the features you like in Raph
- # [00:57] <machogeek> yeah, I'd rather avoid that
- # [00:58] <machogeek> Just curious, I am going to try and do some very simple character animation ( paper doll ) kind of thing
- # [00:58] <jdalton> machogeek some of the examples may not work with the current release
- # [00:58] <jdalton> i noticed api changes and things
- # [00:58] <jdalton> so keep in mind some digging may be needed
- # [00:58] <machogeek> I haven't tinkered w/ raphel in a little while, so I wasn't sure it it was still the way to go, or if people were leaning another direction
- # [00:59] <jdalton> i used it recently and dug it
- # [00:59] <jdalton> and I only used it to draw line
- # [00:59] <jdalton> *line
- # [00:59] <jdalton> *s
- # [00:59] <jdalton> :D
- # [01:00] <machogeek> actually, i created a fake flash interface w/ it not long ago
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- # [01:00] <machogeek> did the trick rather nicely now that i remember
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- # [01:04] <BrianBlakely> machogeek: I'd say it's my favorite library (even considering jQuery)
- # [01:05] <machogeek> any one use processing.js ?
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- # [01:09] <BrianBlakely> machogeek: The API is just not approachable for me
- # [01:09] <BrianBlakely> So, not a fan
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- # [01:35] <BrianBlakely> Kind of wild when a whole new version of jQuery focuses primarily on one function
- # [01:35] <BrianBlakely> There's surprisingly a lot to take in
- # [01:36] <BrianBlakely> And hey, they fixed the one jQuery bug I had in 2010 :)
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- # [01:49] <paul_irish> sweet
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- # [02:02] <Trisox> nn
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- # [03:07] <Herr_Kriss> what do you consider as best practice? <br> or <br />? (then there _may be_ a single U+002F SOLIDUS character). http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_br.asp here they have both versions
- # [03:08] * tw2113 snickers in the corner
- # [03:09] <nimbupani> ?g w3fools
- # [03:09] <bot-t> nimbupani, W3Fools – A W3Schools Intervention - http://w3fools.com/
- # [03:12] <Herr_Kriss> good to know, thanks
- # [03:13] <tw2113> for the record Herr_Kriss either one is valid last i knew
- # [03:14] <tw2113> so it's mostly preference
- # [03:14] <Herr_Kriss> ok, thx
- # [03:17] <paul_irish> hmmm there a few cases where the self-close bites you
- # [03:17] <paul_irish> <script/> , <source/> .. <button/> ..
- # [03:17] <nimbupani> not in br
- # [03:17] <paul_irish> cant think of any others.
- # [03:17] <paul_irish> and that mighta changed with the new parser algo
- # [03:18] <nimbupani> when in doubt use a />
- # [03:18] <snover> paul_irish: <div/> :P
- # [03:18] <nimbupani> :|
- # [03:18] <nimbupani> yeah that too
- # [03:19] <paul_irish> o rly
- # [03:20] <snover> I really enjoy how IE6 thinks <base> requires an end tag
- # [03:20] <snover> that is probably my second favourite feature
- # [03:20] <nimbupani> ie6 features are rather lovely
- # [03:21] <snover> I think my favourite IE6 feature is <style>@;/*
- # [03:21] <nimbupani> :|
- # [03:21] <nimbupani> wats dat snover? style tag kissing?
- # [03:21] <snover> no other browser crashes quite so efficiently
- # [03:21] <nimbupani> o
- # [03:21] <tw2113> my favorite feature of IE6 is uninstall.exe
- # [03:22] <tw2113> but i'm just dreaming there
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- # [03:22] <tw2113> snover you should hook IE6 and that style hack up over plentyoffish.com
- # [03:23] <tw2113> ........oh wait
- # [03:23] <snover> eh?
- # [03:23] <tw2113> they got hacked recently
- # [03:25] <antonkovalyov> yo people
- # [03:25] <antonkovalyov> Sublime Text 2
- # [03:25] <antonkovalyov> awesome editor
- # [03:25] <paul_irish> > textmate
- # [03:25] <nimbupani> ?g sublime text 2
- # [03:25] <bot-t> nimbupani, Sublime Blog » Sublime Text 2: Public Alpha - http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-2-public-alpha
- # [03:26] <tw2113> oh hey, they offer linux support, nice
- # [03:27] <snover> ?g komodo edit
- # [03:27] <bot-t> snover, Komodo Edit is a Free Open Source Editor for Perl, Python, Tcl ... - http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit
- # [03:27] <snover> so there.
- # [03:27] <nimbupani> no foldersss
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- # [03:28] <nimbupani> o there is!
- # [03:30] <tw2113> boo! "Sublime Text 2 may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use. There is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation."
- # [03:31] <tw2113> granted i'm spoiled when it comes to software at home
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- # [03:43] <Herr_Kriss> "Furthermore, <br /> isn't semantic in most cases and probably should not be mentioned at all. " from w3fools - i don't understand meaning of 'semantic' in this sentence
- # [03:44] <snover> line breaks are a text formatting thing, not a document structure thing
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- # [03:44] <Herr_Kriss> ic, thx
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- # [05:27] <paul_irish> thatryan: nice work http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/mdn-doc-sprint-was-a-huge-success/
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- # [05:27] <paul_irish> masondesu: U TOO
- # [05:29] <thatryan> whoa that is awesome. thanks yo
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- # [05:30] <masondesu> yeah
- # [05:30] <grantg> paul_irish: Waiting for my upload to youtube of the DKC in Firefox 4 demo to finish.
- # [05:31] <masondesu> paul_irish, you too
- # [05:31] <grantg> (Donkey Kong Country)
- # [05:31] <paul_irish> baller.
- # [05:31] <paul_irish> sorry webkit audio api shit aint working
- # [05:31] <paul_irish> you should email chris
- # [05:31] <grantg> paul_irish: heh
- # [05:31] <paul_irish> and be like HOWW
- # [05:31] <grantg> I got trolled. X_X
- # [05:31] <grantg> A dummy setting heh
- # [05:32] <masondesu> I wish there was #HTML5 irc private jet that had tons of fines beers, cheeses, and scotch, and that it could take everyone in here on cruises.
- # [05:32] <grantg> masondesu: LSD?
- # [05:33] <masondesu> grantg: its called FRIENDSHIP.
- # [05:33] <masondesu> lol
- # [05:33] <grantg> :P
- # [05:33] <grantg> friendship + lsd
- # [05:33] <masondesu> grantg: you know what would be badass? if you emulator had a built in pattern table editor like the old school Nesticle
- # [05:33] <nimbupani> awww
- # [05:33] <nimbupani> friendship
- # [05:34] <paul_irish> masondesu: yr new site is totally BADACE
- # [05:34] <grantg> msdondesu: That's NES-specific
- # [05:34] <nimbupani> ?g msdonsesu
- # [05:34] <bot-t> nimbupani, No results found for 'msdonsesu'.
- # [05:34] <nimbupani> :|
- # [05:34] <grantg> Though I can allow for custom color palettes for B/W GB games
- # [05:34] <nimbupani> ?g twitter masondesu
- # [05:34] <bot-t> nimbupani, Mason Stewart (masondesu) on Twitter - http://twitter.com/masondesu
- # [05:34] <grantg> Though the GBC boot ROM already does that
- # [05:34] <masondesu> paul_irish: thx
- # [05:35] <paul_irish> http://masondesu.com/ try the 'view best feature' and also click into a post
- # [05:35] <grantg> masondesu: Doing d-pad and b button combos during the gameboy color startup screen allows you to colorize your classic B/W games.
- # [05:36] <masondesu> paul_irish: it got a little hacked up, but my has tonz of html5boilerplate stuff in it.
- # [05:36] <nimbupani> awww neat pixellls
- # [05:36] <paul_irish> HOTPINK MMMMM
- # [05:36] <nimbupani> you should add it to that github list masondesu
- # [05:36] <paul_irish> its sharp
- # [05:36] <nimbupani> ?g boilerplate github sites using
- # [05:36] <bot-t> nimbupani, Sites using the boilerplate - GitHub - https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki/Sites-using-the-boilerplate
- # [05:36] <grantg> this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Color#Color_palettes_used_for_original_Game_Boy_games
- # [05:36] <grantg> That should answer that
- # [05:36] <masondesu> paul_irish: still not minified and stuff, but thats why I wrote BETA, so I could get by with a few problems
- # [05:37] <masondesu> grantg: awesome
- # [05:37] <masondesu> nimbupani: thanx
- # [05:37] <grantg> masondesu: Remember, unlike VBA, I actually boot to the real GameBoy Color internal boot ROM prior to the game ROM running.
- # [05:38] <grantg> My emulator's startup isn't a hack, unlike 95% of the gameboy emulators out there.
- # [05:38] <cgcardona> i'm on kauai time so forgive me if you already talked about this earlier this morning http://mta.me/
- # [05:38] <grantg> more like 99%
- # [05:43] <grantg> paul_irish: I landed audio buffer under-run protection into my emulator today. :)
- # [05:43] <grantg> So there shouldn't be anymore clicks and pops or stuttering in the audio in firefox 4 anymore.
- # [05:44] <grantg> Also, it can still be gapless even if the emulator isn't running 100% speed.
- # [05:44] <grantg> So you can run it on an atom netbook now without audio breaking up.
- # [05:45] <grantg> (There are heuristics now that check for buffer low edge safety being triggered.)
- # [05:46] <paul_irish> grantg: what kinda bugs have you filed lately?
- # [05:47] <paul_irish> ;)
- # [05:47] <grantg> I need to file the time bug still
- # [05:47] <grantg> webkit definitely ceil's the time
- # [05:47] <grantg> instead of rounding it
- # [05:47] <grantg> for getTime()
- # [05:47] <grantg> So it always gets misreported in chrome
- # [05:48] <grantg> causing frameskip to freak out. :/
- # [05:48] <grantg> (fix is simply just turning off auto frameskip in the settings)
- # [05:48] * grantg likes to bitch more than filing bugs as you can see.
- # [05:49] <grantg> :D
- # [05:49] <paul_irish> haha it's true
- # [05:49] <nimbupani> someone needs to create an IRC bug bot
- # [05:49] <nimbupani> that submits bugs to different browers
- # [05:50] * nimbupani has a brainwave
- # [05:50] <grantg> :O
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- # [05:51] <grantg> DKC video coming up
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- # [05:51] <grantg> youtube has been sitting on 8 minutes though for the past 3 minutes. :/
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- # [06:00] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoLdCuGn6I
- # [06:06] <grantg> damn it youtube
- # [06:06] <grantg> youtube can never decode right
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- # [06:09] <grantg> paul_irish: I'm seriously getting pissed off at youtube
- # [06:09] <paul_irish> do you have a pro account?
- # [06:09] <grantg> no
- # [06:09] <paul_irish> THEN U GOTTA WAIT LIKE THE REST OF US
- # [06:09] <grantg> shouldn't matter
- # [06:09] <grantg> They're doing it wrong
- # [06:10] <grantg> ಠ_à²
- # [06:10] <nimbupani> you aint paying grantg :)
- # [06:10] <paul_irish> DOIN IT WRUNG
- # [06:10] <nimbupani> you are always welcome to use vimeo
- # [06:10] <grantg> heh
- # [06:10] <nimbupani> ?g vimeo
- # [06:10] <bot-t> nimbupani, Vimeo, Video Sharing For You - http://vimeo.com/
- # [06:10] <nimbupani> :)
- # [06:10] <paul_irish> yeah use vimeo. <3 vimeo
- # [06:11] <grantg> nimbupani: Might have to if youtube keeps this full retard shit up.
- # [06:11] <paul_irish> hey hey be nice to retards
- # [06:12] <nimbupani> are there half retards?
- # [06:13] <grantg> You never go full retard
- # [06:13] <nimbupani> mike5w3c: yt?
- # [06:14] <mike5w3c> yup
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- # [06:23] <grantg> re-uploading the video
- # [06:23] <grantg> this time in 1080p
- # [06:23] <grantg> ಠ_à²
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- # [07:00] <grantg> damn you youtube
- # [07:00] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7H47LI65Qg
- # [07:00] <grantg> :/
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- # [07:28] * grantg will keep resubmitting the videos until youtube gets it right. :?
- # [07:28] <grantg> :/
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- # [07:29] <nimbupani> ha ha ha :)
- # [07:29] <nimbupani> poor grantg
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- # [10:17] <grantg> :/
- # [10:19] <nimbupani> is youtube haunting your nightmares?
- # [10:19] <grantg> I'm still re-uploading a higher quality video
- # [10:19] <grantg> A 659.82 MB .MOV file
- # [10:19] <grantg> super HD
- # [10:20] <grantg> :P
- # [10:20] <grantg> uncompressed
- # [10:20] <grantg> So youtube better take it
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- # [10:37] <grantg> ok
- # [10:37] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIiz5ih2IBo
- # [10:37] <grantg> Let's see if it's synchronized now. :P
- # [10:37] <grantg> it is!
- # [10:38] <grantg> f'ing youtube
- # [10:38] <grantg> Finally, it liked it
- # [10:38] <grantg> Donkey Kong Country FTW
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- # [14:42] <aurelien> hi
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- # [14:43] <aurelien> anyone know if i can create a form in html5 which can be send to an email (exemple : name : phone : mail :) send to an email ?
- # [14:43] <aurelien> or do i have to use a db ??
- # [14:44] <aurelien> because i've find some form solution :: http://www.yourinspirationweb.com/en/the-future-of-the-web-how-well-create-forms-in-html5/
- # [14:44] <aurelien> but at the time to click on submit it goes nowhere
- # [14:45] <jeremyselier> Hi aurelien
- # [14:45] <aurelien> hi eremyselier
- # [14:45] <aurelien> ^jeremyselier
- # [14:45] <aurelien> :(
- # [14:45] <jeremyselier> you'll need to have a backend that receive the form submit and send the mail
- # [14:45] <jeremyselier> this part has nothing to do with HTML5
- # [14:46] <aurelien> ok ... maybe you've got a good link about that?
- # [14:47] <aurelien> hum backend so a deb
- # [14:47] <aurelien> why nothing to do with html5 ??
- # [14:47] <aurelien> it's in this language
- # [14:48] <Evet> which ide?
- # [14:49] <aurelien> i write it in emacs ... by hand
- # [14:49] <Evet> why not vim?
- # [14:49] <aurelien> vim is evil
- # [14:49] <jeremyselier> HTML5 is in the browser, you'll need this AND a part on a server
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- # [14:50] <jeremyselier> a server with PHP/Ruby on Rails/Python whatever which will process the POST request and send an email
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- # [14:50] <aurelien> ok thanks for the courses jeremyselier
- # [14:50] <jeremyselier> this can't be done with only HTML and JavaScript
- # [14:51] <aurelien> hum ... that's what i was thinking at first ... :(
- # [14:52] * aurelien stay a bit in a corner of the #HTML5 ... this place seems to be a good school art works :D
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- # [16:54] <tw2113> morning all
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- # [17:03] <Pewpewarrows> morning tw2113
- # [17:04] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell grantg http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-audio/2011Feb/0000.html
- # [17:04] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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- # [17:27] <jo-erlend> do you know if it's supposed to be possible for browsers to view video in fullscreen? I mean, that there is anything in the specs for that?
- # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Yes, not in the spec
- # [17:28] <Ms2ger> Works in Fx
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- # [17:44] <JonathanNeal> ahoy
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- # [17:47] <Dorward> jo-erlend: Used to be in the spec that there should not be a JS API to trigger fullscreen mode. That was removed, but there is no specified way to implement such a feature AFAIK. If you use native browser controls, then most will provide a FS control among them.
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- # [18:02] <phrearch> hello
- # [18:03] <phrearch> im struggling with creating a brush for canvas, but not sure what the most proper way is to create a gradiented brush
- # [18:03] <miketaylr> howdy
- # [18:03] <phrearch> currently im interpolating between brush events, but that sucks
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- # [18:03] <phrearch> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/330624/
- # [18:04] <phrearch> at least, my implementation sucks
- # [18:05] <phrearch> i tried interpolating with arc and with a radial gradiented rect, but its not ideal
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- # [18:07] <phrearch> bottomline is how to create a soft brush without interpolation errors
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- # [18:16] <jo-erlend> Dorward, that there should _not_ be a JS API to trigger fullscreen? Why on earth .. What's the point of that? It's quite common to watch video in fullscreen.
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- # [18:17] <Dorward> jo-erlend: Phishing. Go to page, trigger a video of a Windows desktop with IE maximised on it. It is, or was, an issue with Flash.
- # [18:18] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://davidsiegel.org/
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- # [18:18] <nimbupani> ino paul_irish pretty neet
- # [18:18] <paul_irish> sexyman
- # [18:18] <nimbupani> who is the dood tho seems to have lots of followers for someone without a blog :)
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- # [18:25] <tw2113> no idea
- # [18:25] <Ms2ger> Well, we're working on a fullscreen API
- # [18:26] <Ms2ger> Which either asks the user or doesn't have keyboard access
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- # [18:34] <jpin> Hi, on canvas, isPointInPath doesn't seem to return true for a line (say with lineWidth = 10), is this the supposed behavior?
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- # [18:42] <JonathanNeal> These days, how does the community feel about <nav> elements needing headings (because they're sectioning elements)?
- # [18:42] <JonathanNeal> Do you guys add them, negate them, dunno?
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- # [18:55] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIiz5ih2IBo
- # [18:55] <bot-t> (1 hour 51 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-audio/2011Feb/0000.html
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- # [18:57] <grantg> Pewpewarrows: finally got that YouTube video to work right late last night.
- # [18:57] <Pewpewarrows> grantg: oh nice
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- # [19:01] <jpin> great work on that javascript, congratz
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- # [19:03] <grantg> melt when I release the js GBA
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- # [19:03] <jpin> gba? game boy A?
- # [19:03] <grantg> good evening Paul
- # [19:04] <grantg> joi
- # [19:04] <grantg> jpin: GameBoy Advance
- # [19:04] <jpin> k
- # [19:05] <jpin> you're using webworkers?
- # [19:05] <grantg> Damn IRC on an iPhone is hard
- # [19:05] <grantg> For the GBA emulator
- # [19:06] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fd7ac/donkey_kong_country_but_guess_where/
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- # [19:08] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fd7ac/donkey_kong_country_but_guess_where/
- # [19:08] <grantg> :D
- # [19:09] <grantg> F u iPhone
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- # [19:09] <grantg> I only wanted a smiley.'
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- # [19:11] <JonathanNeal> I love Donkey Kong Country so much, aww
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- # [19:12] <HAITI> Cheers #html5 =)
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- # [19:46] <BrianBlakely> Just saw this
- # [19:46] <BrianBlakely> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22102
- # [19:46] <BrianBlakely> This was the biggest issue with my current app… now vendors just need to ship it
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- # [19:52] <felcom> is target="_blank" considered bad practice nowadays being that browsers provide "open in new window/tab" functionality?
- # [19:53] <felcom> kinda subjective question I guess
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- # [20:00] <Pewpewarrows> felcom: in the case where it's absolutely critical that the user not lose your current page, it's fine
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- # [20:00] <Pewpewarrows> like if they're in the middle of a long form and you have a help link for one of the fields, you most certainly don't want them losing their work
- # [20:02] <felcom> Pewpewarrows: ok cool, ty
- # [20:05] <danielfilho> felcom: i think target="_blank" now can be faced as open in new tab.
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- # [20:14] <BrianBlakely> Won't window.open instigate pop-up blockers?
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- # [20:22] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/4380.png old webkit, new webkit, minefield, op11
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- # [20:28] <Pewpewarrows> you need more tabs open
- # [20:34] <jamund> JonathanNeal: I'm not the community,but I've never used them. * shrugs *
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- # [20:56] <JonathanNeal> heh
- # [20:56] <JonathanNeal> by community I really just wanted to write "you guys" :P
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- # [21:05] <antonkovalyov> yo nimbupani is opera good yet?
- # [21:05] <nimbupani> :<
- # [21:05] <antonkovalyov> you've been on the job for like what 3 hours now? WE NEED CHANGES!
- # [21:05] <nimbupani> hey we now have a twitter list of all people you can BUG LIKE THIS
- # [21:05] <nimbupani> ?g odevrel list
- # [21:05] <bot-t> nimbupani, Twitter / @anna_debenham/people-with-beards - http://twitter.com/anna_debenham/people-with-beards
- # [21:05] <nimbupani> UMMM
- # [21:06] <paul_irish> hahahhahah
- # [21:06] <nimbupani> http://twitter.com/#!/ODevRel/odevrel-team
- # [21:06] <nimbupani> omg why is that even a list!
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- # [21:07] <Neiluj> congrats nimbupani
- # [21:07] <nimbupani> thanks Neiluj!
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- # [21:11] <antonkovalyov> hahah
- # [21:12] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, oh look i see some russian guy there
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- # [21:12] <antonkovalyov> makes sens
- # [21:12] <Radi> good evening
- # [21:12] <antonkovalyov> sense*
- # [21:12] <nimbupani> yesss
- # [21:12] <Radi> could anyone please tell me how to view an html5 page without its css?
- # [21:12] <nimbupani> he tweets RUSSIAN too
- # [21:12] <Radi> i want to check out the structure
- # [21:13] <Neiluj> Radi: open the web inspector and delete <link> and <style> ?
- # [21:13] <nimbupani> Radi install webdeveloper extension and then disable styles
- # [21:13] <Radi> well i have dreamweaver
- # [21:13] <Radi> but cant remember the option rofl
- # [21:13] <nimbupani> or on opera view→style→usermode works
- # [21:13] <nimbupani> if you havent done anything with it.
- # [21:14] <antonkovalyov> so nimbupani, get ready
- # [21:14] <nimbupani> ready for?!
- # [21:14] <antonkovalyov> the whole disqus is bitching to paul_irish about chrome now
- # [21:14] <antonkovalyov> so we will bitch about opera haha
- # [21:14] <paul_irish> ^ this is true.
- # [21:14] <nimbupani> WOOOT
- # [21:14] <Radi> have no opera, anyway, ill download the ff tool
- # [21:14] <Neiluj> Safari > Dev > Deactivate stylesheets :)
- # [21:14] <nimbupani> bring it on
- # [21:14] <Neiluj> silly me
- # [21:14] <Radi> cheers ;p
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- # [21:15] <miketaylr> right click, view source
- # [21:15] <Radi> bloody hell, no adobe channel on freenode ;p
- # [21:15] <nimbupani> adobe?!!
- # [21:16] <jdalton> there is a flex channel
- # [21:16] <jdalton> #flex
- # [21:17] <Radi> wth is flex
- # [21:17] <Radi> ?
- # [21:17] <felcom> actionscript IDE
- # [21:17] <Radi> oh
- # [21:18] <Neiluj> Radi: seems to be the last dreamweaver samuraï :-)
- # [21:18] <Radi> maybe, but i doubt ;p
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- # [21:18] <jdalton> http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/
- # [21:19] <jdalton> http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flex_framework/
- # [21:19] <Radi> interesting
- # [21:19] <Radi> ill have a read on that
- # [21:20] <Radi> but, how can I view a page to edit its basic structire without the css?
- # [21:20] <jdalton> anyways the #flex channel is pretty flexible
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- # [21:20] <jdalton> they can answer like adobe AIR q and stuffz
- # [21:21] <Neiluj> Radi: depends on where ? browser or dreamweaver ?
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- # [21:22] <Radi> Neiluj, im stupid, ill just open the file with a text editor -.-
- # [21:22] <BrianBlakely> I have just learned about CSS pointer-events
- # [21:22] <BrianBlakely> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/pointer-events
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- # [21:23] <BrianBlakely> I used this in webOS, I did not know FF3.6 supported this
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- # [21:23] <Radi> btw, is university a good place to look for people for projects ?
- # [21:24] <Radi> i mean to do something without having to pay them
- # [21:24] <Radi> ;p
- # [21:24] <nimbupani> o why would you do that :|
- # [21:24] <BrianBlakely> I can't even find people to work for money
- # [21:24] <Radi> well, because im young and want to start a project, but i dont have the funding yet ?
- # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> If anyone knows someone who would like a lot of money in exchange for work, please let me know
- # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> Do not refer them to Radi ;{P
- # [21:25] <Radi> BrianBlakely, there was a research that money is not a good motivator
- # [21:25] <felcom> money works for me
- # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> Then money was invented
- # [21:26] <BrianBlakely> OR: Then rent was invented
- # [21:26] <nimbupani> then you should make it open source radi
- # [21:26] <nimbupani> if you dont have money
- # [21:26] <felcom> money doesn't make me love what I do, but it makes me care about your project
- # [21:26] <Radi> nimbupani, it is for a free service
- # [21:27] <Radi> about*
- # [21:27] <Radi> i mean, it is not an application or something, it is a service
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- # [21:32] <Radi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaytzykSQzk
- # [21:32] <Radi> flippin heck
- # [21:32] <Radi> is that true?
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- # [21:51] <Neiluj> to creatives : placeholder is not a label alternative
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- # [21:56] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: You aren't suggesting an always-visible label AND a placeholder, are you?
- # [21:56] <BrianBlakely> I opt for a title and a placeholder
- # [21:56] <BrianBlakely> With a simple JS polyfill
- # [21:57] <BrianBlakely> That way, a tooltip will inform the user what the field signifies after it has been filled
- # [21:57] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: in a way, I am, both can be visible. Full Name : [ John Doe ]
- # [21:57] <Neiluj> using placeholder instead of an "always visible" label is bad practice imho
- # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: But when the field isn't filled in, you have Full Name: [Full Name]
- # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> That's a bit daft
- # [21:58] <Neiluj> placeholder="John Doe"
- # [21:58] <Neiluj> not Full Name
- # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> Ah
- # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> Fair
- # [21:59] <Neiluj> sometimes, you want to make things easy for people, with an autofocus for example
- # [21:59] <Neiluj> but if you have an autofocus but no label... you have no placeholder to tell you what the field is
- # [21:59] <Neiluj> see what I mean ?
- # [21:59] <BrianBlakely> I do :)
- # [21:59] <BrianBlakely> I like labels that don't occupy layout
- # [22:00] <BrianBlakely> Something that floats above on focus
- # [22:00] <BrianBlakely> I've been using tooltips for this purpose
- # [22:00] <BrianBlakely> But a custom-rolled thing might be better
- # [22:00] <Neiluj> I have to admit, label are not nice looking but they're useful
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- # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> The only way to get the variable-length text looking nice without breaking a line is to use a table
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- # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> List-based solutions are always kind of clumsy
- # [22:01] <bbabics_> are css3 questions welcome in here?
- # [22:01] <Neiluj> showing them only on focus is not very good since your user won't really know before focus what he would have to fill
- # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> bbabics_: CSS3 is a part of HTML5, last I checked ;P
- # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> bbabics_: …the answer is yes
- # [22:01] <Peter`> ..
- # [22:02] <Neiluj> CSS3 is my favorite part of HTML5 :D after the doctype of course
- # [22:02] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: That's why you have a placeholder :)
- # [22:02] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: so you mean with focus you got the info somewhere (outside the input) and with no-focus it is inside ? :-/ not really readable
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- # [22:03] <Neiluj> something I like (and what we're doing on one of our project) is showing some help info on focus, on the right for instance
- # [22:04] <bbabics_> Great. I've been toying around with display:box; and box-pack, etc. Is there a way to have granular control over how a child should be aligned, other than defining the packing on the parent? you can't define box-pack on the child itself, it needs to be a rule on the parent.
- # [22:04] <bbabics_> if i had links in a nav "home | foo | bar | settings". could i align settings to the right using box-pack?
- # [22:05] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: Here's an idea — placeholder -> FOCUS -> custom tool-tip -> INPUT -> custom tool-tip triggered on hover
- # [22:05] <blokefrompoland> Neiluj, how do you do that? Using JS or something like content:after + data attr?
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- # [22:07] <Neiluj> bbabics_: you need to split more
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- # [22:07] <Neiluj> one parent for "home | foo |Â bar" and another for "settings"
- # [22:07] <Neiluj> question : where do you put the " | " between bar and settings :-)
- # [22:08] <Neiluj> blokefrompoland: doing what ?
- # [22:08] <Neiluj> blokefrompoland: help aside ? JS
- # [22:09] <bbabics_> li:after { padding: 0 10px; content: "|"; }
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- # [22:10] <bbabics_> that really sucks. :( I planned on having a <nav> with a child <ul>. Maybe I need to rethink the markup. :/
- # [22:10] <blokefrompoland> Neiluj, thx. I just had a thought that it could be done using html+css.
- # [22:11] <Neiluj> bbabics_: don't use flexbox for this, use float: left |Â right
- # [22:11] <bbabics_> yeah, you're right.
- # [22:11] <bbabics_> ha problem solved! :)
- # [22:11] <bbabics_> thx
- # [22:11] <Neiluj> ;) np
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- # [22:13] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: trying to understand what you mean, not sure it answers the problem of readibility
- # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: Maybe not, but I thought of something while we were discussing
- # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> http://jsfiddle.net/brianblakely/8zqhb/
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- # [22:15] <BrianBlakely> (the example should just be "John", heh)
- # [22:17] <BrianBlakely> This way, labels don't take up layout in complicated forms, and instructions of some sort are always visible
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- # [22:22] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: I still prefer this kind of solution for readibility, alignment is good for your eyes ;) http://jsfiddle.net/8zqhb/1/
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- # [22:50] <BrianBlakely> Michael: No
- # [22:50] <nimbupani> it sucks :/
- # [22:50] <Michael> That does suck.
- # [22:50] <Michael> Gonna have to rewrite this form decorator
- # [22:51] <BrianBlakely> A parent selector would also reduce suckage
- # [22:51] <Michael> I thought chrome had a h1 + div where h1 is the previous sibling of div, but I guess not
- # [22:52] <BrianBlakely> That's a next sibling selector, targeting the div
- # [22:52] <Michael> oh I see
- # [22:52] <BrianBlakely> If the div follows immediately after the h1, then it gets scooped in
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- # [22:53] <Michael> Does that ignore blank cdata?
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- # [22:54] <BrianBlakely> Michael: Oof, I'm not sure about that one
- # [22:54] <Michael> hmm
- # [22:54] <BrianBlakely> I know it is supposed to refer to element nodes only
- # [22:54] <Michael> can't use it anyway
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- # [22:54] <Michael> Oh well that's good
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- # [23:00] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: I see your point, thanks for the discussion
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- # [23:24] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: actually I'm currently writing some kind of guidelines for my creative team, they make beautiful things but not always user-friendly, especially on forms, they need a little education :)
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- # [23:25] <hanouman> hey neyluj, thanks for your lattest code about event
- # [23:26] <Neiluj> hanouman: hey, remind me ? :)
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- # [23:27] <hanouman> french guy , capture all event click on document
- # [23:27] <Neiluj> oh yes :)
- # [23:28] <Neiluj> de rien ;) made the same with prototype ?
- # [23:28] <hanouman> yep it work very nice
- # [23:28] <hanouman> ;)
- # [23:29] <hanouman> i have an aother project and would know "scalabilty" about dojo?
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- # [23:34] <Neiluj> hanouman: can't help you on that, I'm using only jQuery
- # [23:35] <hanouman> ok np ;) an other quesion .. how can i make localDatabase on multi domain..?
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- # [23:41] <Neiluj> hanouman: don't know
- # [23:41] <Neiluj> didn't use it yet
- # [23:42] <hanouman> ok
- # [23:42] <hanouman> its difficult because i dev web cross domain
- # [23:43] <hanouman> i have use postMessage for send JSON but for store i dont know
- # [23:43] <Neiluj> I'm not really aware of what is possible or not but it sounds forbidden ? maybe an API base on one domain that other domains can call ?
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- # [23:46] <hanouman> apparently, about security browser you cant access Dbstorage on multi domain...4
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