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25. # [00:39] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/7945
26. # [00:39] <antonkovalyov> FINALLY!
27. # [00:40] <antonkovalyov> o/\o
28. # [00:40] <antonkovalyov> although i dont get why it says that i closed the ticket :)
29. # [00:40] <paul_irish> me enither
30. # [00:40] <paul_irish> oh because its your patch
31. # [00:41] <paul_irish> congrats :)
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33. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> i need 100 more commits to jquery
34. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> and i'll become part of jquery team
35. # [00:43] <antonkovalyov> so far i have 2
36. # [00:45] <antonkovalyov> oh and that fix will be in 1.5.1
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48. # [00:57] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: Can you add CSS transform support to .animate(). That would help both of us :D
49. # [00:58] <antonkovalyov> dude i have two commits for jquery
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51. # [00:58] * antonkovalyov is not exactly the person to ask for features :)
52. # [01:03] <Pewpewarrows> antonkovalyov: why haven't you finished jQuery 2.0 yet? COME ON.
53. # [01:03] <antonkovalyov> :)
54. # [01:03] <Pewpewarrows> anyone here get the smashingbook 2? worth the buy?
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58. # [01:05] <BrianBlakely> Be more ambitious antonkovalyov!
59. # [01:05] <BrianBlakely> ;)
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64. # [01:08] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell brianblakely https://github.com/lrbabe/jquery.transform.js
65. # [01:08] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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127. # [03:33] <tw2113> thatryan no idea with that WP error
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136. # [04:02] <thatryan> yeah it is lame sauce
137. # [04:03] <miketaylr> tw2113: was it you that tried to add me to skype?
138. # [04:03] <tw2113> yeah
139. # [04:03] <miketaylr> oh, my skype id is miketayl_r
140. # [04:04] <miketaylr> someone else has miketaylr :P
141. # [04:04] <tw2113> shame
142. # [04:04] <tw2113> Brooklyn eh?
143. # [04:05] <miketaylr> yeah
144. # [04:05] <miketaylr> dirty, cold brooklyn
145. # [04:05] <tw2113> added the right one this time
146. # [04:05] <tw2113> whenever you get around to it, no rush
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148. # [04:07] <miketaylr> booting now
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154. # [04:24] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: I just saw a link to http://readableweb.com/mo-bulletproofer-font-face-css-syntax/
155. # [04:24] <chriseppstein> is this the new best practice?
156. # [04:24] <chriseppstein> should I update http://beta.compass-style.org/reference/compass/css3/font_face/ ?
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158. # [04:34] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: lots of things has changed since then
159. # [04:35] <chriseppstein> :(
160. # [04:35] <paul_irish> there are three options i know of.. 1) get double downloads in IE9 2) dont get webfonts in android 3) serve an extra @font-face declaration to android
161. # [04:35] <paul_irish> it was reported 3 is totally doable with a mobile.css though i wonder if it works in a media query..
162. # [04:36] <chriseppstein> Sounds like the compass version needs to be updated. it's using the smiley version
163. # [04:36] <paul_irish> yeah.. smiley doesnt work on android
164. # [04:37] <paul_irish> fink downloads both eot and woff in ie9
165. # [04:37] <chriseppstein> you should go talk to them 'bout that
166. # [04:37] <paul_irish> yeah i reported it almost a year ago :(
167. # [04:38] <chriseppstein> so is there one snippet to rule them all?
168. # [04:38] <paul_irish> maybe! i need to test if i can do it in a media query
169. # [04:39] <snover> paul_irish: speaking of android, do you know of any canonical source for figuring out what video encoding modes are supported?
170. # [04:39] <snover> apple provides information on what the maximum supported level of H.264 support is for their devices
171. # [04:40] <paul_irish> i don't know myself nope
172. # [04:40] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: I have a modernizr commit, but you don't have a compass commit yet :) *HINT*
173. # [04:41] <paul_irish> ill give it a go tonight
174. # [04:41] <chriseppstein> https://github.com/chriseppstein/compass/blob/master/frameworks/compass/stylesheets/compass/css3/_font-face.scss
175. # [04:41] <chriseppstein> :D
176. # [04:42] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: http://blog.bloop.co/the-practicalities-of-css-media-queries-lesso
177. # [04:42] <chriseppstein> Ya I read this
178. # [04:42] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: In sass 3.1 you can put an @media block anywhere
179. # [04:43] <chriseppstein> so the font face can use @media if needed
180. # [04:43] <paul_irish> groovy
181. # [04:43] <chriseppstein> the next release will depend on sass 3.1
182. # [04:43] <paul_irish> why doesnt compass and sass merge?
183. # [04:44] <paul_irish> i guess it's not neccessary
184. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: different technologies with different release schedules
185. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> in general compass should release much more often that sass
186. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> *than
187. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> to keep up with the ever chaning landscape
188. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> gawd I can't type today
189. # [04:44] <chriseppstein> *changing
190. # [04:45] <chriseppstein> but the sprite features in compass v0.11 required major changes to sass so now these releases are tied
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209. # [05:57] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: good newz
210. # [06:05] <tw2113> is FF4betas really flickery with flash embedded video for anyone else?
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215. # [06:08] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: I'm listening
216. # [06:12] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: http://paulirish.com/i/0e90.png essentially works
217. # [06:12] <paul_irish> but i gotta clean it up some
218. # [06:13] <chriseppstein> the 480px is to target android?
219. # [06:14] <paul_irish> ya
220. # [06:14] <paul_irish> loosely.
221. # [06:14] <chriseppstein> I guess it's ok if it applies to others
222. # [06:14] <chriseppstein> since it's essentially the same
223. # [06:14] <paul_irish> iOS < 4 cant do the ttf or otf and needs svg
224. # [06:14] <paul_irish> so both svg and ttf shoudl go in here
225. # [06:15] <paul_irish> but not local and not eot
226. # [06:15] <paul_irish> which actually makes it a piece of cake for compass integration
227. # [06:15] <chriseppstein> yay!
228. # [06:17] <shepazu> paul_irish: you're neglecting the possibilities of Unicode Emoji
229. # [06:17] <paul_irish> can we do some animated emoji in css? if so i am ALL for that
230. # [06:19] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: is it documented that without svg they wont get iOS < 4.2 ?
231. # [06:20] <chriseppstein> http://beta.compass-style.org/reference/compass/css3/font_face/
232. # [06:20] <chriseppstein> nope :(
233. # [06:22] <chriseppstein> is there some cli tool that given one font file can convert it to all the others?
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235. # [06:26] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: nope. but hypothetically one could script and scrape the fontsquirrel generator
236. # [06:26] <paul_irish> but that would not be easy
237. # [06:27] <chriseppstein> hmmm
238. # [06:28] <chriseppstein> it's just that this font stuff is total bullshit. it shouldn't be so hard
239. # [06:28] <paul_irish> also .. postscript/style defaults to false in the docs but the code says they are deprecated
240. # [06:28] <chriseppstein> let me see when we deprecated that
241. # [06:28] <paul_irish> yeah fonts are super bullshit :) also remember to set up CORS because IE9 and FF cant take in fonts crossdomain but they're fine with datauri fonts served from crossdomain css
242. # [06:29] <paul_irish> that makes sense. :|
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244. # [06:29] <slastervan> shouldn't this redirect to #html?
245. # [06:30] <tw2113> no
246. # [06:30] <slastervan> but you don't see #apache1 and #apache2
247. # [06:30] <slastervan> you see #apache
248. # [06:30] <tw2113> so?
249. # [06:30] <slastervan> so apparently you don't understand my point
250. # [06:30] <tw2113> i just disagree with it
251. # [06:31] <slastervan> so your best counter-argument is "so?"?
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253. # [06:31] <slastervan> telling, i suppose
254. # [06:31] <tw2113> who called that an arguement?
255. # [06:31] <slastervan> weaksauce nevertheless
256. # [06:32] <slastervan> yea, exactly
257. # [06:32] <paul_irish> slastervan makes a lot of friends when he enters a new space.
258. # [06:32] <paul_irish> clearly.
259. # [06:32] <tw2113> or i don't when they enter
260. # [06:32] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: those arguments were deprecated in v0.10, you can remove them now
261. # [06:32] <slastervan> i don't intentionally make friends online paul, i live in the real world
262. # [06:32] <paul_irish> slastervan: cool story bor
263. # [06:33] <paul_irish> BOR
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265. # [06:33] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: where are the 3.1 MQs documented
266. # [06:33] <chriseppstein> this channel is so cutting egde it should redirect to #html6
267. # [06:34] <chriseppstein> MQs?
268. # [06:34] <tw2113> the only reason i could see a need to have us redirect, would be the removing of versions to html
269. # [06:34] <tw2113> at least by whatwg way of thinking
270. # [06:34] <chriseppstein> oh
271. # [06:34] <chriseppstein> nvm
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273. # [06:34] <paul_irish> :)
274. # [06:34] <tw2113> BUT
275. # [06:34] <tw2113> we're a sophisticated room to talk about new and upcoming technologies
276. # [06:34] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: just put some media queries where ever you want them
277. # [06:34] <tw2113> and not a general html help channel
278. # [06:35] <chriseppstein> sass will bubble them up to the top level\
279. # [06:35] <paul_irish> tw2113: lets forward this channel to #newandupcomingwebtechnologies
280. # [06:35] <tw2113> not the worst idea there
281. # [06:35] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: but if you must have docs: https://github.com/nex3/sass/blob/master/doc-src/SASS_CHANGELOG.md
282. # [06:36] <chriseppstein> Scroll down to "@media bubbling"
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285. # [06:37] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: that's a beauty.
286. # [06:37] <chriseppstein> ain't it tho
287. # [06:37] <paul_irish> fwiw i got confirmation that MQs dont add to selector specificity
288. # [06:37] <chriseppstein> huh. i never thought they did
289. # [06:38] <chriseppstein> they're just fancy if statements
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291. # [06:40] <tw2113> i should look into getting more active, if possible, with #whatwg
292. # [06:41] <tw2113> i'll leave it off of my autojoin at work, too distracting
293. # [06:42] <paul_irish> pretty much the way to be active with #whatwg is to idle and absorb, i've found
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295. # [06:43] <tw2113> offer occasional moments of "mmhmm" and "that's right"?
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297. # [06:46] <paul_irish> ah slastervan left! good good.
298. # [06:48] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: any other ways I can test how taxing my viewport js is?
299. # [06:48] <paul_irish> nah i dont know of a good wya
300. # [06:48] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: so i've found this media query doesnt work so hot on pages without the meta viewport
301. # [06:49] <chriseppstein> what does that mean
302. # [06:49] <chriseppstein> >_<
303. # [06:49] <paul_irish> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0">
304. # [06:49] <paul_irish> without a meta viewport device width MQs seem to fail?
305. # [06:49] <paul_irish> iunno i'm kind of a mobile newb
306. # [06:49] <chriseppstein> huh
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309. # [06:50] <chriseppstein> me too :)
310. # [06:50] <JonathanNeal> well let's use my viewport script!
311. # [06:50] <paul_irish> hahh
312. # [06:51] <chriseppstein> just sent an email to the fontsquirrel guy to see if there's any way to bake that shit into compass
313. # [06:51] <paul_irish> :) nice
314. # [06:52] <chriseppstein> that plus the sprite generator would be pretty freakin sweet
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316. # [06:54] <JonathanNeal> chriseppstein: compass?
317. # [06:54] <chriseppstein> wut
318. # [06:54] <chriseppstein> GTFO
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321. # [06:55] <chriseppstein> http://beta.compass-style.org/
322. # [06:55] <chriseppstein> hahaha
323. # [06:55] <JonathanNeal> Am I allowed back now?
324. # [06:55] <JonathanNeal> Good.
325. # [06:55] <chriseppstein> JonathanNeal: it's a real css framewokr
326. # [06:55] <chriseppstein> *rk
327. # [06:56] <chriseppstein> not one of the collections of css classes
328. # [06:56] <JonathanNeal> oh okay, it's like super sass.
329. # [06:56] <chriseppstein> it's on top of sass
330. # [06:56] <chriseppstein> (Im also on the Sass team)
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332. # [06:57] <JonathanNeal> I love Sass (and Less).
333. # [06:57] <JonathanNeal> So, obviously you're a hip cat.
334. # [06:57] <paul_irish> he's very hip
335. # [06:57] <chriseppstein> :)
336. # [06:58] <chriseppstein> quite hippy
337. # [06:58] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: jon is too. he wrote the html5shim that's everywhere.
338. # [06:59] <chriseppstein> i'm not sure if this room can handle any more awesome
339. # [06:59] <JonathanNeal> And if you act now, you get SlexAxton and ajpiano.
340. # [07:00] <JonathanNeal> That pretty much double or triples your value. They're TV stars too.
341. # [07:01] <SlexAxton> DOUBLE DEAL
342. # [07:01] <paul_irish> OH EM GEE! *explozos*
343. # [07:02] <tw2113> i'd buyz that for a dolla!
344. # [07:02] * chriseppstein is fixing ie7 bugs.
345. # [07:02] <ajpiano> wtf @ slastervan
346. # [07:02] <Neiluj> paul_irish: working on this selectivizr domready, do you have an idea how I can make the dom ready "late" ?
347. # [07:03] <JonathanNeal> chriseppstein, what bugs? IE7? Bugs?
348. # [07:03] <JonathanNeal> Neiluj, impregnate it.
349. # [07:03] <paul_irish> ?msdn document readystate
350. # [07:03] <bot-t> paul_irish, Iframes, onload, and document.domain | NCZOnline - http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2009/09/15/iframes-onload-and-documentdomain/
351. # [07:03] <paul_irish> ?g msdn document readystate
352. # [07:03] <bot-t> paul_irish, readyState Property (document, FRAME, IFRAME, ...) - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms534359(v=vs.85).aspx
353. # [07:05] <SlexAxton> onreadystatechange aka longest event evar
354. # [07:05] <SlexAxton> oh wait
355. # [07:05] <SlexAxton> onbeforeunload
356. # [07:05] <SlexAxton> nope
357. # [07:06] <Neiluj> SlexAxton: for info, I want to load selectivizr with yepnope... not an easy one
358. # [07:06] <SlexAxton> not my fault he doc.writes...
359. # [07:07] <Neiluj> yeah I know ;)
360. # [07:07] <Neiluj> trying to find a good alternative
361. # [07:07] <SlexAxton> just replace the doc.write code with a yepnope injection
362. # [07:07] <Neiluj> what ?
363. # [07:08] <SlexAxton> instead of
364. # [07:08] <SlexAxton> doc.write('script src="sdfasdf"...
365. # [07:08] <SlexAxton> replace it with
366. # [07:08] <Neiluj> what do you mean by yepnope injection ? :(
367. # [07:08] <paul_irish> check document.readyState.. if its anything besides 'complete' then the event hasnt fired yet
368. # [07:08] <bot-t> (1 min 1 sec ago) <gf3> tell paul_irish the Modernizr site is causing Webkit Nightly r76911 to full on crash
369. # [07:08] <SlexAxton> yepnope({ load: asdfasdf, callback: function(){ selectivizr.init(); } });
370. # [07:08] <Neiluj> paul_irish: with what, a setInterval ? :D
371. # [07:09] <paul_irish> Neiluj: when selectivizr runs.. if its not 'complete' then the doc write trick shoudl be fine
372. # [07:09] <paul_irish> if its already 'complete' then the domready has already happened
373. # [07:09] <Neiluj> SlexAxton: well, I thought about this, ideally I want to help keith with a universal solution (cross lib)
374. # [07:10] <SlexAxton> oh, well, that'd be nice
375. # [07:10] <Neiluj> paul_irish: that sounds so easy ?
376. # [07:11] <SlexAxton> why does it need to be synchronous?
377. # [07:12] <SlexAxton> https://github.com/chriso/load.js/blob/master/load.js#L17-33
378. # [07:12] <SlexAxton> that's a very simple async script injection callback pattern
379. # [07:12] <SlexAxton> not gonna win you any parallelization awards
380. # [07:12] <SlexAxton> but it's small
381. # [07:13] <paul_irish> Neiluj: it does.
382. # [07:13] <paul_irish> SlexAxton: the problem is selectivizr has a doc.write based domready catch. and it blows up when you load selectivizr (with yepnope) after domready
383. # [07:14] <paul_irish> Neiluj is patching selectivizr so it doesnt suck as much
384. # [07:14] <SlexAxton> yea
385. # [07:14] <SlexAxton> i know
386. # [07:14] <SlexAxton> im suggesting he takes out the doc.write altogether
387. # [07:14] <SlexAxton> and replaces it with an async injection
388. # [07:14] <paul_irish> selectivizr needs a domready thing
389. # [07:14] <Neiluj> I'm trying the paul idea first, then this load.js
390. # [07:15] <SlexAxton> oh
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392. # [07:18] <paul_irish> yes .. researching and i'm happy with that approach, Neiluj
393. # [07:18] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: no idea how to pacify your tests..
394. # [07:18] <chriseppstein> heh
395. # [07:19] <chriseppstein> you ran them and they failed?
396. # [07:19] <paul_irish> ya
397. # [07:19] <chriseppstein> so it left the generated css in a folder called saved or something
398. # [07:19] <chriseppstein> test/fixtures/stylesheets/compass/saved
399. # [07:20] <chriseppstein> Basically you look at that output and if it's right you copy it to to the css directory
400. # [07:20] <chriseppstein> :)
401. # [07:21] <chriseppstein> some day we will actually test css somehow :)
402. # [07:22] <paul_irish> oh. something was odd. i had it right. phew.
403. # [07:22] <chriseppstein> ha
404. # [07:24] <Neiluj> paul_irish: event with document.readyState checking, IE is still giving *sometimes* doc.getElementById() -> null
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406. # [07:26] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: what branch do you want this one
407. # [07:26] <paul_irish> on
408. # [07:26] <chriseppstein> master plz
409. # [07:26] <jdalton> Neiluj: u trying to find a dom ready solution ?
410. # [07:26] <Neiluj> jdalton: yep
411. # [07:26] <Neiluj> testing the load.js this time
412. # [07:27] <Neiluj> jdalton: any idea ?
413. # [07:27] <paul_irish> Neiluj: wait.. pastie your code
414. # [07:27] <jdalton> ya there should lots of like libless solutions
415. # [07:27] <jdalton> most involve polling the readyState, using the DOMContentLoaded event, and checking the doScroll() in IE
416. # [07:28] <Neiluj> doScroll doesnt seem to be fine according to keith, iframe shit I don't know
417. # [07:28] <jdalton> naw naw
418. # [07:28] <jdalton> u add an extra check
419. # [07:28] <jdalton> its aiight
420. # [07:29] <paul_irish> whatever ^ he says.
421. # [07:29] <jdalton> like u can look at jq or mootools or those, I think they are all similar
422. # [07:29] <paul_irish> Neiluj: put the code you're working with in a pastebin
423. # [07:30] <Neiluj> do you want the full selectivizr.js or only this part ?
424. # [07:30] <paul_irish> just that part
425. # [07:30] <Neiluj> http://pastie.org/1520658
426. # [07:31] <Neiluj> it works in 66% cases :D
427. # [07:31] <jdalton> ahh document.write
428. # [07:31] <Neiluj> yeah...
429. # [07:31] <jdalton> that got Prototype in trouble
430. # [07:31] <jdalton> when peeps would late load it
431. # [07:32] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: https://github.com/paulirish/compass/commit/0fd9c086
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434. # [07:33] <chriseppstein> w00t
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436. # [07:34] <Neiluj> damn
437. # [07:34] <jdalton> hey imma not fresh on this font jazz
438. # [07:34] <jdalton> wuts the hapy face for
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440. # [07:34] <paul_irish> something to be happy for.
441. # [07:35] <jdalton> naw in the local(...)
442. # [07:35] <paul_irish> :)
443. # [07:35] <paul_irish> it's basically a hack so that IE reads the .eot definition instead of the legit .otf .woff definitions
444. # [07:35] <paul_irish> webfonts suck.
445. # [07:35] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: does it have to be utf-8?
446. # [07:35] <paul_irish> nope
447. # [07:36] <jdalton> is it conditionally compiled or smth
448. # [07:36] <paul_irish> in iso 8891 or whatever it turns into some ?~- shit but that doesnt matter. it does the same thing
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450. # [07:36] <chriseppstein> hmm
451. # [07:36] <chriseppstein> ok
452. # [07:37] <paul_irish> the local definition is what trips up IE. the actual value of it is inconsequential. i just picked some crazy shit that wouldnt be allowed as a legit font name so your browser doesnt grab a REAL local one by accident
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455. # [07:43] <jdalton> is the eot defined elsewhere ?
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457. # [07:44] <jdalton> i saw some like hybrid code around the commit that has $eol or smth, figured its compiled to css or smth
458. # [07:46] <jdalton> imo coffee
459. # [07:47] <Neiluj> paul_irish: that's bad right? http://pastie.org/1520679 :)
460. # [07:47] <Neiluj> bad but it works perfectly...
461. # [07:48] <paul_irish> jdalton: ^
462. # [07:48] <jdalton> doesnt like some version of FF not support a readyState value...
463. # [07:49] <paul_irish> thats okay this is only running in ie6-8
464. # [07:49] <jdalton> I rmemeber getify adding it to labjs to force FF pre 3.5 or smth
465. # [07:49] <jdalton> oh
466. # [07:49] <paul_irish> jdalton: or do you have the fix to doscroll to correct its use within iframes?
467. # [07:49] <jdalton> IE has a min res of 15ms
468. # [07:49] <jdalton> in timers so I assume in setTImeout too
469. # [07:49] <jdalton> ya I do
470. # [07:50] <jdalton> 1 sec
471. # [07:50] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: so you said the docs should be updated a bit?
472. # [07:50] <paul_irish> my docs?
473. # [07:50] <Neiluj> please, I'm so ashamed to use a timeout :)
474. # [07:50] <chriseppstein> compass docs for @font-fase
475. # [07:51] <chriseppstein> FASE!
476. # [07:51] <paul_irish> BOR
477. # [07:51] <paul_irish> um im updating my blog for now.
478. # [07:51] <chriseppstein> i was going to do it, but I can read your blog and then update it
479. # [07:51] <paul_irish> the short of it is.. iOS < 4.2 needs the svg. android needs a viewport meta to make the device-width MQ work.
480. # [07:52] <chriseppstein> kk
481. # [07:52] <paul_irish> and fontsquirrel gen gives you all the files u need
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483. # [07:54] <jdalton> k looked
484. # [07:55] <jdalton> for the iframe situation i can detect it via
485. # [07:55] <jdalton> try { isFramed = window.frameElement != null; } catch(e) { }
486. # [07:55] <jdalton> and if its framed u punt to the onreadystate event handler
487. # [07:55] <jdalton> which will fire juuuuuuuuuuust before onload
488. # [07:55] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: also woff should always be first
489. # [07:55] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: right. that's what it says here
490. # [07:58] <jdalton> for IE u dont need a setTimeout or interval cause its onreadystatechange event works
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494. # [08:01] <paul_irish> Neiluj: so i think best is to use doScroll combo'd with the frameElemetn check
495. # [08:02] <paul_irish> along with readyState==complete to see if its already happened
496. # [08:02] <Neiluj> ok, not sure to understand what to do with the frame case
497. # [08:02] <Neiluj> (a bit tired and language barrier...)
498. # [08:04] <Neiluj> jdalton : "and if its framed u punt to the onreadystate event handler " <- is framed = is ready ???
499. # [08:06] <jdalton> framed means running from within an iframe
500. # [08:06] <jdalton> doScroll() will not error in an iframe
501. # [08:06] <jdalton> as it errors for a primary document
502. # [08:08] <Neiluj> ok
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505. # [08:13] <JonathanNeal> night
506. # [08:13] <paul_irish> bai
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508. # [08:14] <shepazu> paul_irish: I was wondering if maybe I should go to JSConf
509. # [08:14] <shepazu> what do you think?
510. # [08:14] <chriseppstein> http://beta.compass-style.org/reference/compass/css3/font_face/
511. # [08:14] <chriseppstein> (SHIFT-F5)
512. # [08:14] <paul_irish> definitely
513. # [08:15] <chriseppstein> https://twitter.com/#!/chriseppstein/status/32697498929733632
514. # [08:15] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hOiS3M @chriseppstein: Just released Compass v0.11.beta.2. Small release with some updates to the font-face mixin for android (Thanks @paul_irish!) #happystyling
515. # [08:15] <chriseppstein> haha
516. # [08:16] <chriseppstein> faster than the speed of a blog post.
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518. # [08:18] <shepazu> ouch.
519. # [08:19] <paul_irish> shepazu: you def should.. though getting tickets might be tough
520. # [08:19] <shepazu> looks like I already missed it :(
521. # [08:19] <shepazu> waiting list only
522. # [08:20] * shepazu facepalms
523. # [08:21] <paul_irish> ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩(•̮̮̃•̃)۶
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525. # [08:23] <trave> anyone familiar with a way to "reset" the zoom level on a mobile device with JS? for example... i have an ajax form, when you tap on a textfield it zooms in on it, which i like. and the submit button is right next to it, so you can click it... but when the ajax request completes, it hides/shows some new divs, and I want it to zoom back out to the "full-page" scale.. does that make sense?
526. # [08:23] <Neiluj> paul_irish: I made a test with an iframe, I don't have any problem with the doScroll-only solution :-/
527. # [08:24] <Neiluj> if I can't reproduce the bug people had, I can't know if I fixed it...
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529. # [08:26] <trave> i think i just googled what i was looking for, thanks anyways. :]
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531. # [08:29] <Neiluj> well too tired to inspect this iframe story...
532. # [08:29] <Neiluj> time to sleep
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539. # [08:45] <paul_irish> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-January/015822.html <device>
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541. # [08:47] <Peter`> A googler started implementing <track> as well
542. # [08:47] <trave> it'll be a sweet day when you can audio/video capture from allowed devices straight in a webpage, what else do you see on the horizon with the device tag Paul?
543. # [08:47] <Peter`> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43668
544. # [08:48] <shichuan> who's maintaining HTML 5 Outliner?
545. # [08:53] <paul_irish> shichuan: which one
546. # [08:53] <shichuan> paul_irish: http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/
547. # [08:54] <shichuan> alot people reference to it, but when i tried, there's a python error
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550. # [08:56] <chriseppstein> ugh. <device> really?
551. # [08:56] <chriseppstein> I remember when HTML was for documents
552. # [08:59] <Peter`> shichuan: that'd be gsnedders, he's often around in #whatwg and is on Twitter too
553. # [09:01] <shichuan> Peter`: thanks :)
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572. # [09:54] <Neiluj> paul_irish: I think I got it :)
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577. # [09:57] <paul_irish> haha wow
578. # [09:57] <paul_irish> nice
579. # [09:59] <Neiluj> it doesn't throw errors but in case of iframe it's not a real dom ready, it's looks like an onload
580. # [09:59] <Neiluj> I realized that was what jdalton said
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582. # [09:59] <Neiluj> "which will fire juuuuuuuuuuust before onload"
583. # [09:59] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish since you're awake quick question
584. # [10:00] <antonkovalyov> do you know if it is possible to simulate onerror event in ie?
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591. # [10:07] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i think @ls_n did that earlier tonight
592. # [10:07] <antonkovalyov> orly what for
593. # [10:08] <antonkovalyov> k, crashing now. thanks, paul_irish
594. # [10:08] <antonkovalyov> gonna check that tomorrow
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601. # [10:15] <slastervan> hey fellas, what browser on mac platform has the best html 5 rendering please?
602. # [10:15] <slastervan> in order to test my dev, need a good viewer :)
603. # [10:16] <somebody> chrome?
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605. # [10:16] <daleharvey> firefox4 or chrome beta
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607. # [10:17] <slastervan> what if i use camino?
608. # [10:17] <slastervan> is that using the same rendering engine?
609. # [10:18] <slastervan> http://html5demos.com/
610. # [10:18] <daleharvey> they share code, but thats not all of it at all
611. # [10:18] <slastervan> good resource fyi
612. # [10:18] <daleharvey> and camino is pretty much dead
613. # [10:18] <slastervan> no shit?
614. # [10:18] <slastervan> what's the best mac browser? FF is heavy to me
615. # [10:19] <slastervan> i want lean
616. # [10:19] <daleharvey> then use chrome
617. # [10:20] <slastervan> http://www.apple.com/html5/
618. # [10:20] <slastervan> is chrome OS?
619. # [10:21] <Evet> there must be a drag n drop designer for html5
620. # [10:24] <JNZ> Ah, pure HTML5 pages
621. # [10:24] <JNZ> So much fun.
622. # [10:25] <JNZ> No CSS, no stupid... just good ol' HTML.
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624. # [10:26] <daleharvey> pure html doesnt exactly do much?
625. # [10:29] <JNZ> It gets content to the user.
626. # [10:30] <JNZ> Rather than all of these crazy designs and "fancy pretty things"./
627. # [10:30] <JNZ> I can't stand over engineered websites.
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630. # [10:39] * digitalfiz cant stand under engineered websites
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635. # [10:47] <slastervan> needs to get back to UI
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637. # [10:56] <Neiluj> paul_irish: https://github.com/keithclark/selectivizr/pull/6
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639. # [11:02] <Neiluj> SlexAxton: you worked on the builder for Modernizr right ? why don't you make the same for yepnope, then we can include the filters and plugins we like :)
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645. # [11:08] <Neiluj> yepnope({load: 'ie!js/selectivizr.js'}); w00t w00t !
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722. # [15:46] <Neiluj> oh my head...
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765. # [17:04] <snover> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/02/02/html5-and-web-video-questions-for-the-industry-from-the-community.aspx woooo
766. # [17:05] <snover> the comments on that post are amazing
767. # [17:06] <snover> I am pretty sure most of them didn’t actually read it
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769. # [17:07] <miketaylr> too many words
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771. # [17:09] <snover> tl;dr, it’s basically a rehash of every argument that has already been made
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773. # [17:12] <snover> 1. Google provides no indemnification to anyone for use of VP8; 2. H.264 is already established as a de facto standard and trying to change that for just the Internet not likely to work; 3. VP8 isn’t gonna work on any currently existing mobile devices; 4. After existing for 8 years we are finally at a point where most things can support hardware-accelerated H.264. Waiting for VP8 to get there will probably take just as long
774. # [17:12] <snover> 5. The VP8 standard is not a standard, and the information RFC they submitted explicitly states that any contradictions between the spec and the original VP8 code should be resolved in favour of the code
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777. # [17:14] <snover> JPEG and VC-1 are brought up as two examples of technology that were thought to be free of patent violations and people still ended up getting sued over them
778. # [17:14] <miketaylr> meanwhile, browser vendors will create addons for the other browsers
779. # [17:15] <snover> Microsoft has created plugins for Firefox and Chrome to support H.264 on Windows 7
780. # [17:16] <snover> and, of course, one can always simply use Flash, which defeats the entire purpose but does mean you don’t have to worry about having to make 3+ copies of every single video
781. # [17:16] <miketaylr> right, and google claimed it will a make webm plugin for IE9
782. # [17:17] <snover> Microsoft already said that if someone has a VP8 system codec installed, IE9 will use it
783. # [17:17] <miketaylr> but that doesn't work
784. # [17:17] <miketaylr> at least not this morning when i tested
785. # [17:17] <miketaylr> maybe by final
786. # [17:17] * jdaltonafk is now known as jdalton
787. # [17:18] <snover> Well, in any case, there is no way you are going to wedge a plugin into an iPhone or Android or any other low-powered mobile device
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789. # [17:18] <snover> or an Internet-enabled Blu-Ray player
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791. # [17:18] <snover> or an Internet-enabled TV
792. # [17:18] <snover> or a PS3
793. # [17:19] <snover> and so on and so forth
794. # [17:19] <snover> They all support H.264 natively.
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796. # [17:20] <miketaylr> i'll just email the MPEG-LA and have them submit h.264 to the w3c for standardization real quick
797. # [17:20] <miketaylr> brb
798. # [17:21] <snover> It’s already an ISO/IEC standard
799. # [17:21] <miketaylr> well, w3c has a patent policy
800. # [17:21] <miketaylr> a royalty free one
801. # [17:22] <Neiluj> jdalton: hey joe, thanks for the frame tip
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805. # [17:23] <Neiluj> jdalton: window.frameElement was forbidden but I made it with window.parent == window
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807. # [17:24] <Neiluj> miketaylr: it's not just about royalty free, it must be open source :-/
808. # [17:25] <Neiluj> https://github.com/Mpeg-LA/h264 :D
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810. # [17:25] <miketaylr> i don't see that in http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/
811. # [17:26] <Neiluj> miketaylr: that's right... but that's the vendors argument until w3c make a decision
812. # [17:26] <Neiluj> *take*
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815. # [17:27] <miketaylr> afaik the source isn't the issue, specs can be implemented, etc
816. # [17:27] <Neiluj> h264 is royalty free for ever, ever, right ?
817. # [17:27] <miketaylr> not for vendors
818. # [17:27] <Neiluj> oh and for free videos only if I'm correct...
819. # [17:28] <miketaylr> costs a few million a year to include it in your software
820. # [17:28] <snover> Neiluj: There are no royalties for free internet video distribution. There are royalties for encoders and decoders.
821. # [17:28] <snover> And for non-free broadcasts
822. # [17:28] <Neiluj> mmhh I see, thanks for the precision
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824. # [17:28] <JonathanNeal> So I decided sure why not.
825. # [17:29] <JonathanNeal> And we called it h.t.m.elegance.
826. # [17:30] <snover> The best thing would be no software patents.
827. # [17:31] <snover> In my opinion, the next best thing is to use the best technology for a job, even if it costs some money.
828. # [17:31] <snover> And the worst thing is to adopt a technology with no indemnification from patent suits and a non-zero risk of submarine patents
829. # [17:32] <snover> Does anyone still remember the eolas patent?
830. # [17:32] <miketaylr> nope
831. # [17:33] <snover> At least in that case there was a workaround
832. # [17:33] <snover> even though it broke a lot of stuff
833. # [17:33] <snover> If someone sues for patent infringement on VP8, there is no option to just like…disable the part of the code that uses that patent
834. # [17:33] <snover> VP8 will be gone.
835. # [17:33] <snover> boom.
836. # [17:34] <snover> OR, it will end up getting a patent pool and…oh…we’ll be right back where we are right now complaining about how millions of dollars in royalties need to be paid to use it
837. # [17:34] <snover> *and* we’ll be saddled with an technologically inferior product
838. # [17:34] <miketaylr> whatever, animated gifs are the future. that's where we should be focusing our energy.
839. # [17:34] <snover> Unisys.
840. # [17:35] <miketaylr> animted .webp!
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843. # [17:36] <snover> The patents that would apply to webm almost certainly apply equally to webp
844. # [17:36] <snover> also
845. # [17:36] <snover> shut up
846. # [17:36] <snover> :D
847. # [17:36] <snover> smartass.
848. # [17:36] <miketaylr> :P
849. # [17:36] <snover> I can’t believe I fell for that.
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855. # [17:40] <davidmurdoch> hola
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857. # [17:42] <davidmurdoch> anyone know if there is a way to get -webkit-transition to only transition on mouse-over and mouse-leave (:hover)?
858. # [17:42] <davidmurdoch> for example:
859. # [17:43] <davidmurdoch> .awesome{ background-color:blue; -webkit-transition:all 1s linear; } .awesome:hover{ background-color:red; } .awesome.noTransition{ background-color:black; -webkit-transition:none; }
860. # [17:43] <davidmurdoch> doesn't work the way I'd like it to.
861. # [17:45] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: works for me ? http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/
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877. # [18:10] <BrianBlakely> Finally got my Cloud9IDE beta authorization!
878. # [18:10] <bot-t> (17 hours 2 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell brianblakely https://github.com/lrbabe/jquery.transform.js
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881. # [18:13] <davidmurdoch> i got disconnected. soooo...if anyone replied, can you do so again?
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883. # [18:14] <tw2113> [10:41] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: works for me ? http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/
884. # [18:14] <tw2113> last thing said to you
885. # [18:14] <BrianBlakely> tell paul_irish Thank you for the link. I tried cssSandpaper for a while, but its handling of translate left much to be desired.
886. # [18:15] <paul_irish> oic
887. # [18:15] <BrianBlakely> …I don't this I used that command correctly
888. # [18:15] <BrianBlakely> think*
889. # [18:15] <paul_irish> davidmurdoch: "davidmurdoch: works for me ? http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/"
890. # [18:15] <paul_irish> ohdamn sry
891. # [18:15] <miketaylr> davidmurdoch: "davidmurdoch: works for me ? http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/"
892. # [18:15] <miketaylr> CRAP
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894. # [18:18] <davidmurdoch> http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/m42Bz/1/
895. # [18:18] <davidmurdoch> Neiluj: the problem is that it DOES transition. And I don't want it to.
896. # [18:19] <davidmurdoch> I'm thinking there is no way to do this without javascript.
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898. # [18:20] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: hum when do you want transition and don't you ?
899. # [18:20] <Neiluj> *when* don't you
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901. # [18:23] <davidmurdoch> :hover should transition in and out (unless the element has the noTransition class). noTransition should NOT transition when the class is add or removed. In the last fiddle I posted when the noTransition class is removed from the element it fades to the original state (it should get to red immediately)
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916. # [18:44] <Pewpewarrows> when is that android event going on today happening? 20 minutes from now?
917. # [18:45] <BrianBlakely> 1:00pm EST - 4:00pm EST
918. # [18:45] <BrianBlakely> So, yes
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920. # [18:47] <danielfilho> did you guys seem the apple's air-play on browser thing?
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922. # [18:47] <danielfilho> someone posted a code, but I didn't played with it yet
923. # [18:47] <danielfilho> javascript:[].slice.call(document.querySelectorAll('video, audio'), function(m) { m.setAttribute('x-webkit-airplay', 'allow'); });
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929. # [18:53] <tw2113> i get to attempt javascript today
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937. # [18:59] <techrush> whats that site that helps you do @font-face stuff easily ?
938. # [19:00] <tw2113> fontsquirrel?
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940. # [19:00] <techrush> if i have a .ttf will that site convert it to an EOT to support IE ?
941. # [19:00] <tw2113> it provides them all
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943. # [19:02] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: I'm sorry but I still don't get your point, if the div has .noTransition + :hover it will be red, if you are not hover it will be green without fade, that's not what you want ??
944. # [19:03] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: actually, do you want to cancel the transition or the hover ?
945. # [19:03] <davidmurdoch> Neiluj, for some reason i'm not staying connected to the chat server. So, if I don't reply that is why...
946. # [19:03] <Neiluj> np
947. # [19:03] <davidmurdoch> The :hover works perfectly.
948. # [19:03] <davidmurdoch> When noTransition is REMOVED from the element, it should NOT -webkit-transition; but rather, return to the original state immediately. No fading in/out to the new color.
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960. # [19:09] <Neiluj> paul_irish: yay https://github.com/keithclark/selectivizr/pull/6
961. # [19:10] <paul_irish> no way
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963. # [19:10] <paul_irish> oh.
964. # [19:10] <paul_irish> he didnt pull it. why are you getting my hopes up
965. # [19:10] <Neiluj> call him right now :D
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967. # [19:11] <davidmurdoch> ok. i'm back...using firefox instead of chrome...lets see if I can stay connected now.
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969. # [19:12] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: when are you removing noTransition ? when hover ?
970. # [19:12] <davidmurdoch> Neiluj, the last think I saw in the chat was me explaining to you the noTransition class.
971. # [19:12] <davidmurdoch> um. no. When you click the link in the fiddle i sent
972. # [19:13] <davidmurdoch> http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/m42Bz/1/
973. # [19:13] <davidmurdoch> I just don't see a way to do it. sigh.
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977. # [19:15] <davidmurdoch> Neiluj, do you get what I'm trying to do?
978. # [19:15] <Neiluj> I'm sorry no :(
979. # [19:16] <Neiluj> I need to understand why you need to disable transition
980. # [19:16] <Neiluj> I'm french so I'm probably misunderstanding something...
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984. # [19:17] <davidmurdoch> Are you using Chrome?
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986. # [19:19] <davidmurdoch> In Chrome: when you hover over a (non-active) tab it fades to a new color. When you SELECT the tab the tab changes to the selected state immediately; it does not fade at all.
987. # [19:20] <davidmurdoch> And the tab that was selected before immediately changes to the inactive state (there is no fade to the new color).
988. # [19:20] <davidmurdoch> I'm trying to replicate that behavior.
989. # [19:20] <Neiluj> ok :) speaks more to me :)
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993. # [19:25] <Pewpewarrows> so I'm getting a stack overflow error in IE, and it's impossible to research because all the results I get while searching are from stackoverflow.com or one of the content farms grabbing from them
994. # [19:25] <Pewpewarrows> oh the irony
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997. # [19:26] <tw2113> oh the ironing? no that's not right
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1002. # [19:30] <davidmurdoch> okay, lets try IE and see if i can stay connected.
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1006. # [19:33] <tw2113> it's a little sad that you're having to resort to that for connection
1007. # [19:35] <davidmurdoch> I blame it on Firefox's beta and Chromes dev channel.
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1009. # [19:36] <davidmurdoch> It seems thet webchat.freenode.net trys to modify the user-agent of its ajax requests; apparently cutting-edge firefox and chrome don't like it.
1010. # [19:38] <davidmurdoch> Am I still connected?
1011. # [19:38] <davidmurdoch> yup.
1012. # [19:39] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: what about this ? http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/4/
1013. # [19:39] <Neiluj> when I click the color is changing without transition
1014. # [19:39] <Neiluj> that's the chrome behavior right ?
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1017. # [19:43] <davidmurdoch> Nope. That isn't it either. It must work based on classes.
1018. # [19:43] <davidmurdoch> http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/4/
1019. # [19:44] <davidmurdoch> er, wait: http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/m42Bz/5/
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1022. # [19:45] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: :target was the same, you said without javascript, I took the word ;)
1023. # [19:46] <Neiluj> ok, now I see, when you remove, you don't want to fade to green...
1024. # [19:47] <davidmurdoch> exactly. see this: http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/m42Bz/6/
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1026. # [19:48] <davidmurdoch> Sorry about that; youa re right - I said no javascript. But i meant no javascript for the animations :-) . I didn't want to use $elem.animate() for these animations.
1027. # [19:48] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: http://jsfiddle.net/m42Bz/7/ is a way...
1028. # [19:48] <Neiluj> but you loose the fade with mouseout
1029. # [19:49] <davidmurdoch> exa
1030. # [19:49] <davidmurdoch> woopps. yah, thats the problem i was having.
1031. # [19:50] <Neiluj> :)
1032. # [19:50] <Neiluj> okay
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1034. # [19:50] <Neiluj> now I see exactly what's your problem, need to drink a beer first
1035. # [19:50] <davidmurdoch> hahaha
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1037. # [19:51] <davidmurdoch> or an energy drink might help.
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1039. # [19:51] <Neiluj> beer is my favorite energy drink
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1041. # [19:53] <davidmurdoch> hahaha. nice.
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1047. # [19:57] <acies> beer is the anti-energy drink
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1049. # [20:02] <davidmurdoch> craziness: overflow-x:visible with overflow-y:hidden when display:-webkit-box and -webkit-box-flex:1 causes overflow-x to behave like overflow-x:auto
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1055. # [20:10] <Evet> which html5 game engine you suggest?
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1057. # [20:12] <danielfilho> I hate desandro: http://2011.beercamp.com/
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1087. # [20:55] <davidmurdoch> today is not my day.
1088. # [20:56] <Michael> Carpe diem
1089. # [20:57] <davidmurdoch> -webkit-animation-iteration-count: infinite with a -webkit-keyframe that goes from -webkit-transform:rotate(0deg); to -webkit-transform:rotate(360deg); consumes 99% CPU
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1097. # [21:03] <mikesusz> that's neat
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1100. # [21:03] <mikesusz> i've been playing with the keyframe stuff too but yeah the cpu is unhappy
1101. # [21:04] <davidmurdoch> I just figured out it is ANY keyframe animation will trigger the high CPU usage
1102. # [21:05] <davidmurdoch> lame.
1103. # [21:05] <Michael> Sounds like it's not using the GPU
1104. # [21:05] <davidmurdoch> so much for my single image ajax-loading image
1105. # [21:05] <mikesusz> using .animate in javascript does the same thing
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1107. # [21:06] <davidmurdoch> hm, i'll test that.
1108. # [21:06] <mikesusz> (sorry, i meant - it spikes the CPU also )
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1115. # [21:10] <davidmurdoch> using jQuery is better on the CPU than using -webit-keyframes
1116. # [21:10] <davidmurdoch> using its default easing method
1117. # [21:11] <davidmurdoch> mikesusz: this is lame.
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1126. # [21:27] <paul_irish> davidmurdoch: http://www.html5rocks.com/tutorials/speed/quick/#toc-hwaccel
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1128. # [21:28] <davidmurdoch> ?fpi
1129. # [21:28] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
1130. # [21:28] <Peter`> That sounds like a horrible movie
1131. # [21:28] <paul_irish> i'd watch it.
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1133. # [21:30] <antonkovalyov> hahahah
1134. # [21:31] <felcom> off-topic, but if I have 10 DOM objects i need to interact with differently, is it better to have them passed in as param and keep the method pure logic or is it ok to have them defined in the method as vars?
1135. # [21:31] <felcom> i have js organizational issues.
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1137. # [21:32] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: you still have yr screenwidth pastie
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1142. # [21:38] <Pewpewarrows> felcom: depends how similar the logic is
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1144. # [21:38] <Pewpewarrows> but as a general rule of thumb I try to keep the actual dom selection abstracted out from my client-side "business logic"
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1146. # [21:39] <Pewpewarrows> makes support/maintenance a lot easier when/if you have to change the dom around
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1150. # [21:39] <felcom> ok, what i'm struggling with is say, a comments module that has to know aboutvarious different pieces of the dom
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1152. # [21:40] <felcom> it feels kinda silly having a config object with this pieces being sent in
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1154. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> Say, here's a question
1155. # [21:40] <Pewpewarrows> felcom: I let backbone.js handle that for me
1156. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> Anyone know how to get real pixel width on Android 2.2+?
1157. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> I always get simulated width
1158. # [21:41] <Pewpewarrows> idk how deep into the project you are though
1159. # [21:41] <felcom> well i'm doing a redesign so i'm starting more or less from scratch
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1161. # [21:42] <felcom> Pewpewarrows: i'll check out backbone, thanks
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1165. # [21:42] <Pewpewarrows> you probably don't need everything it offers, but playing around with it gives you a good sense of how to separate logic from the dom
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1169. # [21:45] <BrianBlakely> Also, wondering if anyone can come up with a simpler solution for JS cookie parsing than what is in "String" here: http://jsperf.com/cookie-parsing
1170. # [21:45] <BrianBlakely> "Simpler" meaning "faster and more elegant"
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1172. # [21:46] <davidmurdoch> argh. webchat is buggy
1173. # [21:50] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish, that little trick took CPU usage from 99% down to 5% and the GPU process is only up to 10%
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1175. # [21:50] <davidmurdoch> it only works if in Chrome if you set the appropriate GPU flags in about:flags
1176. # [21:50] <davidmurdoch> works in* Chrome
1177. # [21:51] <paul_irish> seee
1178. # [21:51] <paul_irish> its a good trick :0
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1180. # [21:52] <davidmurdoch> Is the GPU acceleration feature-testable (ahem, modernizr )
1181. # [21:52] <paul_irish> its not.
1182. # [21:52] <paul_irish> at all.
1183. # [21:53] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, chrome is 30% of all our traffic
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1185. # [21:53] <davidmurdoch> boo.
1186. # [21:53] <paul_irish> wow.
1187. # [21:53] <paul_irish> shush david.
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1189. # [21:53] <davidmurdoch> NOU
1190. # [21:54] <davidmurdoch> :-)
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1193. # [21:54] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: that's pretty nuts.
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1195. # [21:54] <antonkovalyov> i know right
1196. # [21:55] <antonkovalyov> 400 mln uniques in january, bitches
1197. # [21:55] <davidmurdoch> The trick is working on Linux, too.
1198. # [21:55] <davidmurdoch> what site yous talkin' aboot?
1199. # [21:56] <paul_irish> the disqus commenting widget.
1200. # [21:56] <davidmurdoch> uh. k.
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1202. # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> The world will be a better place when Chrome and IE switch places on StatCounter
1203. # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> I mean, in general. People will be smarter, healthier, more honest and respectful to their fellow man
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1205. # [21:59] <felcom> I stubbed my toe yesterday, opened up Chrome, then the pain was GONE!
1206. # [21:59] <thatryan> lol
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1208. # [22:00] <BrianBlakely> That's because it supports flexbox
1209. # [22:00] <miketaylr> >:|
1210. # [22:00] <miketaylr> and when they implement new flexbox, and old flexbox stuff breaks, will the world be so peachy?
1211. # [22:01] <davidmurdoch> mmm, flexbox.
1212. # [22:01] <davidmurdoch> unless you have to fo flexbox in firefox.
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1214. # [22:02] <davidmurdoch> * shudders *
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1216. # [22:02] <davidmurdoch> I was wondering about that too, miketaylr.
1217. # [22:03] <miketaylr> experimental stuff changes...caveat emptor
1218. # [22:03] <miketaylr> which is why i get confused at people who make -webkit- only stuff
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1220. # [22:03] <davidmurdoch> I'm doing right now because I only have to support Air 2.5.
1221. # [22:04] <miketaylr> yeah, that makes sense
1222. # [22:04] <miketaylr> obviously webkit is elsewhere, i meant on the general web
1223. # [22:04] <davidmurdoch> Its nice being able to use -webkit-box on just about everything.
1224. # [22:05] <BrianBlakely> miketaylr: -webkit-box will probably change to -webkit-flex
1225. # [22:05] <davidmurdoch> I don't think anyone is vendor-prefix-only features for mainstream sites, though (besides the pretty things like shadows, and radii)
1226. # [22:06] <BrianBlakely> So the two models can live on simultaneously
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1228. # [22:06] <Peter`> BrianBlakely: I'm not sure whether the properties will be dropped
1229. # [22:06] <Peter`> it'd be the good thing to do, obviously, but they shipped in various stables
1230. # [22:06] <davidmurdoch> BrianBlakely, what will -webkit-box-flex: become? :-p
1231. # [22:06] <BrianBlakely> dav
1232. # [22:06] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: shrug
1233. # [22:06] <paul_irish> miketaylr: afaik the new flexbox spec doesnt break any backcompat with oldflexbox ..
1234. # [22:07] <davidmurdoch> -webkit-box-flex-box?
1235. # [22:07] <BrianBlakely> box box flex
1236. # [22:07] <BrianBlakely> If the new flexbox does break the old one, mobile Gmail will need another redesign >_>
1237. # [22:07] <davidmurdoch> i don't think GOOGLE will have anything to worry about there.
1238. # [22:08] <paul_irish> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/Overview.new.src.html
1239. # [22:08] <paul_irish> ^ new
1240. # [22:08] <paul_irish> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/ < old
1241. # [22:08] <BrianBlakely> Anyway, davidmurdoch, I've been using flexbox in shipping code on some major sites, and polyfilling with JS
1242. # [22:08] <davidmurdoch> paul, do you HAVE to know everything?
1243. # [22:08] <davidmurdoch> proveit (no really, I wanna see!)
1244. # [22:08] <paul_irish> ?g doctyper flexbox github
1245. # [22:08] <bot-t> paul_irish, doctyper/flexie - GitHub - https://github.com/doctyper/flexie
1246. # [22:09] <miketaylr> davidmurdoch: not true, codeconf.com was webkit only until this afternoon
1247. # [22:09] <miketaylr> i sent them a .patch :)
1248. # [22:10] <paul_irish> miketaylr: they using flexbox or what
1249. # [22:10] <paul_irish> nah couldnt have been
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1251. # [22:10] <paul_irish> body { background: papayawhip; }
1252. # [22:11] <miketaylr> paul_irish: this is the old one: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/
1253. # [22:11] <paul_irish> old old
1254. # [22:11] <miketaylr> WD one
1255. # [22:11] <paul_irish> yeah
1256. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: On the currently live oscarmayer.com, you can see a bit of the polyfill
1257. # [22:12] <paul_irish> i get into the habit of typing csswg when i'm looking for the new specs
1258. # [22:12] <paul_irish> to get the ED
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1260. # [22:12] <BrianBlakely> The dev version I've been moving to flexbox
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1263. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> It's hard to custom-roll the entire flexbox model in JS yourself when on a time budget, but specific bits are REALLY simple
1264. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: ED?
1265. # [22:15] <BrianBlakely> Wow, flexie is awesome
1266. # [22:15] <BrianBlakely> http://flexiejs.com/playground/?random
1267. # [22:15] <BrianBlakely> The FOUC is minimal
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1271. # [22:16] <davidmurdoch> sounds fun.
1272. # [22:17] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: editors draft
1273. # [22:17] <BrianBlakely> ah-ha
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1277. # [22:22] <miketaylr> paul_irish: isn't all the box- stuff removed from the version, or am i blind?
1278. # [22:22] <miketaylr> i dunno, i stopped reading www-style a few weeks back
1279. # [22:23] <paul_irish> shrug
1280. # [22:23] <miketaylr> just saying, all the props being renamed doesn't very backwards comptible :P
1281. # [22:24] <miketaylr> but that draft could just be incomplete too
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1283. # [22:26] <miketaylr> no, i think my memory serves me right: "I feel pretty strongly that this sort of change is worth breaking the
1284. # [22:26] <miketaylr> current experimental implementations in Gecko and Webkit."
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1286. # [22:29] <grumpytoad> any1 know what font is being used here? http://www.w3.org/html/logo/img/html5-display.png
1287. # [22:29] <paul_irish> i heard its a H&FJ font
1288. # [22:29] <grumpytoad> ah ok, thanks i'll look it up
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1290. # [22:30] * cheilmann is now known as codepo8
1291. # [22:30] <paul_irish> sup christiannnnnnnn
1292. # [22:30] <codepo8> 'lo lo
1293. # [22:31] <codepo8> just sniggering at Microsoft's Chrome extension bringing H.264 to chrome by replacing VIDEO with OBJECT
1294. # [22:31] <codepo8> http://2011.beercamp.com/js/scripts.js?v05
1295. # [22:31] <codepo8> err
1296. # [22:31] <codepo8> https://gist.github.com/808455
1297. # [22:31] <codepo8> ^ that one
1298. # [22:32] <miketaylr> heh, kinda like http://m.vid.ly/js/html5.js and flash
1299. # [22:34] <codepo8> yep, but only after checking if others are supported
1300. # [22:34] <codepo8> the embed code of vidly is very paranoid
1301. # [22:34] <miketaylr> and also kinda broken
1302. # [22:35] <miketaylr> it is super amazing that you can just do all this with plain .js :)
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1304. # [22:35] <davidmurdoch> ugh, my boss thinks Google IS the internet.
1305. # [22:36] <davidmurdoch> Me: got to something.somethinelse.com
1306. # [22:36] <davidmurdoch> Boss: Google.com
1307. # [22:36] <davidmurdoch> Boss: enters somethingf.somethinelse.com
1308. # [22:37] <miketaylr> hehe
1309. # [22:37] <davidmurdoch> Boss: "Its not here. All I get is a bunch of listings. I'm telling you its not here."
1310. # [22:37] <codepo8> davidmurdoch it is scary how much search engine traffic is people entering domains in the search box
1311. # [22:38] <codepo8> I was always wondering if that is an autofocus issue
1312. # [22:38] <davidmurdoch> very scary
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1318. # [22:40] <davidmurdoch> Why is https://www.google.com in "beta"? What is so experimental about it?
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1320. # [22:42] <davidmurdoch> er, https://encrypted.google.com/
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1322. # [22:43] <paul_irish> ive seen images fail to load with it before
1323. # [22:46] <davidmurdoch> It just seems so simple compared to most of the other stuff google does.
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1329. # [22:52] <antonkovalyov> this site is incredible http://2011.beercamp.com/
1330. # [22:53] <antonkovalyov> scroll all the way down
1331. # [22:53] <antonkovalyov> and then click on the top
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1333. # [22:53] <Trisox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tasz3fJgNvc
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1336. # [22:54] <codepo8> antonkovalyov: quite cool to see how small the code gets with modernizer and jquery (see the false paste earlier)
1337. # [22:55] <dgathright> That's badass
1338. # [22:55] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: yes I do
1339. # [22:55] <JonathanNeal> it's on the wikies too at the addy I sent you.
1340. # [22:55] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/liferay-61/
1341. # [22:55] <antonkovalyov> codepo8, ya awesome
1342. # [22:56] <codepo8> performance is not too good
1343. # [22:56] <Brodingo> yeah could be smoother
1344. # [22:56] <codepo8> quite jiggy here on the MBA
1345. # [22:56] <codepo8> then again it is right now fanning
1346. # [22:56] <codepo8> for some reason
1347. # [22:57] <Brodingo> even using translate3d
1348. # [22:57] <Brodingo> hrm
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1356. # [23:00] <dgathright> codepo8: Going to JSConf?
1357. # [23:01] <paul_irish> also.. sxsw?
1358. # [23:01] <Brodingo> flippy cup eh
1359. # [23:01] <dgathright> IT'S "FLIP" CUP! NOT "FLIPPY"
1360. # [23:02] <dgathright> Only girls call it flippy
1361. # [23:02] <dgathright> =P
1362. # [23:02] <Brodingo> its flippy cup
1363. # [23:02] <Brodingo> dealwithit.jpg
1364. # [23:02] <paul_irish> ?cc
1365. # [23:02] <bot-t> CASE CLOASED >: |
1366. # [23:02] <paul_irish> maybe its a texas thing
1367. # [23:02] <Brodingo> also, i have no desire whatsoever to go to sxsw
1368. # [23:02] <Brodingo> SOCIAL MEDIA GAMES NETOWRKING??????
1369. # [23:02] <Brodingo> ill wait for txjs kthx
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1371. # [23:03] <codepo8> You don't want to attend spring break for geeks?
1372. # [23:03] <dgathright> "Flip cup" 979k results. "Flippy Cup" 110k results. pwned
1373. # [23:03] <paul_irish> ?ud flippy cup
1374. # [23:03] <bot-t> paul_irish, flippy cup - A drinking game: Two teams of 4 or 5 people line up on opposite sides of a table. Each team member has a cup of beer. When the game begins, the first person on each side must chug his or her beer, and then place the cup on the edge of the table and flick the cup so it flips upside down. If the cup doesn't land upside down, the person must keep trying until successfully flipping, at which point the next person in line...
1375. # [23:03] <paul_irish> that was anti-climatic
1376. # [23:04] <codepo8> dgathright: JSConf EU - I am speaking in Germany at JSConf :)
1377. # [23:04] <Brodingo> sudo cc
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1380. # [23:05] <codepo8> correction, I am giving the keynote at a German Java conference during them time of JSConf US
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1382. # [23:05] <dgathright> Ah, that makes more sense.
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1384. # [23:05] <dgathright> Keynote eh? What's the topic?
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1389. # [23:08] <dgathright> Is SXSW even still good for devs? I feel like it's been over-run by "social media d-bag" guy.
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1396. # [23:13] <paul_irish> dgathright: actually overrun by designers rather than socialmedia folks
1397. # [23:14] <dgathright> ah
1398. # [23:14] <dgathright> I think I'll stick with JSConf as being my 1 "definitely gotta go to" conference / year.
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1409. # [23:29] <davidmurdoch> google webmaster tools its broked again
1410. # [23:36] <codepo8> keynote topic is moving to the client - HTML5 is here
1411. # [23:36] <codepo8> will be interesting for Java people
1412. # [23:36] <codepo8> maybe I should do code screenshots in eclipse instead of textmate
1413. # [23:36] <dgathright> haha
1414. # [23:37] <dgathright> Just don't show them bespin. their heads will explode
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1416. # [23:38] <codepo8> maybe just use VI in cathode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLHk-Dvu82g
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1418. # [23:41] <davidmurdoch> anyone in here an AIR "pro"
1419. # [23:43] <dgathright> I tried to use Cathode, but it became too irritating after a few minutes.
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1423. # [23:44] <codepo8> well that's why all the older guys in the yahoo office twitch a lot
1424. # [23:44] <codepo8> they used that for years
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1426. # [23:44] <tw2113> allo all
1427. # [23:45] <paul_irish> jo-erlend: you on twitter?
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1429. # [23:48] <tw2113> any of you know of an extremely simple site that grabs latitude and longitude coordinates based on address style location?
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1436. # [23:53] <codepo8> tw2113: why not an API? http://y.ahoo.it/fiOi+0iD
1437. # [23:54] <tw2113> hmm, i'll look into, thanks
1438. # [23:55] <tw2113> see what the manager says too
1439. # [23:55] <codepo8> http://query.yahooapis.com/v1/public/yql?q=select%20latitude,longitude%20from%20geo.placefinder%20where%20text%3D%22union%20square%22&format=json&callback=yay
1440. # [23:55] <codepo8> reverse geocoding is an expensive business
1441. # [23:55] <codepo8> a lot of APIs will cost $$$
1442. # [23:56] <tw2113> right now we have a link to X website where the client would put in the location for the project, and then copy the coordinates back over to the website admin
1443. # [23:57] <tw2113> if i can argue using YQL to do this automatically....it'd be a +1
1444. # [23:58] <codepo8> of course
1445. # [23:58] <codepo8> you could even write a bookmarklet or browser extension
1446. # [23:59] <acies> creating an audio object like new Audio("sound.ogg") will cache it then and there, right?
1447. # [23:59] <acies> getting some rather annoying stuttering when trying to play it off, usually only when it's the first play in the document
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1449. # [23:59] <acies> and only in the beginning of the sample
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