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  1. # Session Start: Sat Feb 05 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <paul_irish> it also has less codec support
  4. # [00:00] <jpin> video?
  5. # [00:00] <jpin> what about the "id" issue
  6. # [00:01] <blokefrompoland> I assume there's no way of using Chromium without any Internet connection. Am I right?
  7. # [00:02] <paul_irish> there is no offline mode
  8. # [00:02] <paul_irish> but if you use app cache, you can use a web app while offline
  9. # [00:02] <paul_irish> jpin: what 'id' issue
  10. # [00:03] <masondesu> I couldn't see any WebGL demos in Chrome. Was that just me messing something up?
  11. # [00:03] <paul_irish> what version
  12. # [00:04] <masondesu> I think it was like 9.0.5~?
  13. # [00:04] <jpin> paul_irish: I've read somewhere that every g-chrome installation has a id generated that uniquely indentifies that browser
  14. # [00:04] <jpin> that ends up being used for updates, etc, not sure to what extend
  15. # [00:06] <paul_irish> yeah there is probably something like that. the RLZ identifier, i think
  16. # [00:06] <Neiluj> RLZ is watching you
  17. # [00:06] <paul_irish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking
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  19. # [00:08] <jpin> so, what abou the "id" issue? chromium doesn't have it I think
  20. # [00:09] <dilvie> I'm doing a talk on html5 validation soon.
  21. # [00:09] <jpin> and it's big the fact that on a "google search query", you're sending an id.. (?)
  22. # [00:09] <dilvie> =)
  23. # [00:09] <dilvie> paul_irish: Take down IE!
  24. # [00:10] <paul_irish> jpin: no..
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  26. # [00:11] <jpin> paul_irish: ok, so how it works?
  27. # [00:11] <paul_irish> i dont know what you're asking really
  28. # [00:11] <paul_irish> also: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
  29. # [00:12] <paul_irish> dilvie: ie9 will be okay.
  30. # [00:13] <dilvie> paul_irish: hmm.. maybe. I've got a backlog of IE9 tickets I need to verify and possibly fix if they don't pull it together.
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  32. # [00:14] <dilvie> paul_irish: The Google team gives me what I expect to see. FF4 is doing pretty well, too.
  33. # [00:15] <dilvie> =)
  34. # [00:15] <dilvie> ttyl.
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  36. # [00:16] <jpin> ff4 has a somewhat slower js engine then chrome
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  40. # [00:28] <dgathright> jpin: depends on the benchmark test, configuration, and processor. They're very comparable. Chrome ahead in some, FF4 in others.
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  46. # [00:40] <jpin> dgathright: depends on my simple application -- in v8 it's smooth, in ff4 it is not
  47. # [00:40] <jpin> sounds harsh, but it's the way I see it (talking mainly about canvas)
  48. # [00:42] <BrianBlakely> Is this a known Chrome (Webkit?) bug?
  49. # [00:42] <BrianBlakely> http://www.kraftbrands.com/oscarmayer/carving-board/turkey.html
  50. # [00:42] <BrianBlakely> background-clip: content-box; is ignored
  51. # [00:43] <jpin> for a minute I thought it was a bug for chrome to _not_ do some oven roasted turkey breast...
  52. # [00:43] <jpin> people expect too much these days...
  53. # [00:44] <jpin> couldn't resist...
  54. # [00:44] <Pewpewarrows> chrome make me a sandwich
  55. # [00:44] <BrianBlakely> Actually, I should redact my statement
  56. # [00:44] <BrianBlakely> background-clip: content box; doesn't work with border-radius
  57. # [00:45] <BrianBlakely> See the "Product Finder" bottom two corners
  58. # [00:45] <BrianBlakely> Pewpewarrows: it's SUDO chrome make me a sandwich ;)
  59. # [00:45] <Pewpewarrows> border-radius is screwy in general, like the inset box-shadow that wasn't fixed until earlier this month
  60. # [00:45] <Pewpewarrows> have you tried it on the dev version BrianBlakely ?
  61. # [00:45] <Pewpewarrows> that's where they fixed inset
  62. # [00:46] <BrianBlakely> Yah
  63. # [00:46] <BrianBlakely> 10.0.649.0 (72458)
  64. # [00:46] <Pewpewarrows> :/
  65. # [00:46] <Pewpewarrows> and chrome runs everything in a sandbox, I don't need to sudo anything, including that sandwich making
  66. # [00:46] <Pewpewarrows> SO THERE
  67. # [00:46] <BrianBlakely> hehe
  68. # [00:47] <BrianBlakely> I'll download the ultra-latest
  69. # [00:47] <BrianBlakely> Not expecting a difference
  70. # [00:51] <Neiluj> paul_irish: about the /* */ is there a "risk" without the space in the middle ?
  71. # [00:52] <paul_irish> o.O
  72. # [00:52] <paul_irish> oh
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  74. # [00:52] <paul_irish> dunno you'd have to read the spec
  75. # [00:52] <Neiluj> :)
  76. # [00:52] <paul_irish> http://es5.github.com/ ...
  77. # [00:53] <paul_irish> jdalton: you know?
  78. # [00:53] <paul_irish> is /**/ legit or will that break
  79. # [00:53] <Neiluj> it seems to be ok but maybe some browser will screw ?
  80. # [00:54] <paul_irish> shrug
  81. # [00:55] <Neiluj> ;)
  82. # [00:55] <snover> paul_irish: why would it not be legit?
  83. # [00:55] <snover> ecma is hopefully less… crazy… than the people that made sgml comments :)
  84. # [00:56] <Neiluj> snover: used it ?
  85. # [00:57] <snover> Neiluj: whitespace has nothing to do with comments so why would it matter?
  86. # [00:57] <snover> don’t ask me to prove a negative…
  87. # [00:58] <Neiluj> well because of stupid superstition ?
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  89. # [00:58] <Neiluj> I'm not only asking if it is legit but is there any browser issue possible ?
  90. # [00:59] <snover> that’s like asking “is there any browser issue possible if you write x=1 instead of x = 1”
  91. # [01:00] <Neiluj> agree
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  93. # [01:02] <Nicolas_Leonidas> is there a jquery or something that can make <video> work everywhere?
  94. # [01:02] <Nicolas_Leonidas> I found something like that for <audio>
  95. # [01:03] <Pewpewarrows> Nicolas_Leonidas: look into the kaltura video player
  96. # [01:04] <Nicolas_Leonidas> Pewpewarrows: it doesn't work on iphone
  97. # [01:06] <Pewpewarrows> really? hmm
  98. # [01:06] <Nicolas_Leonidas> yeah their site even sends u to a different page, to avoid the embarrasment
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  102. # [01:17] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Would you mind taking a look at this? Maybe it deserves a higher priority? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=72014
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  104. # [01:25] <paul_irish> ?g videojs @ Nicolas_Leonidas
  105. # [01:25] <bot-t> Nicolas_Leonidas, HTML5 Video Player | VideoJS - http://videojs.com/
  106. # [01:25] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell grantg saw chris is all over your bug. \o/
  107. # [01:25] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
  108. # [01:26] <BrianBlakely> hah, found this after downloading the paul_irish browser icon sets: http://paulirish.com/lovesyou/
  109. # [01:26] <BrianBlakely> :P
  110. # [01:26] <paul_irish> hayyyyyyy
  111. # [01:26] <BrianBlakely> lol
  112. # [01:27] <paul_irish> hah. i made that before chrome was my default.
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  114. # [01:28] <BrianBlakely> It still works in Chr9, but could be upgraded with <audio> and CSS transitions now ;P
  115. # [01:28] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: i imagine this has to have been reported before.. might on the webkit tracker
  116. # [01:28] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: truu
  117. # [01:28] <paul_irish> wow look at that. .. man.
  118. # [01:28] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Do Chromers ignore Webkit bugs, or what's the relationship there?
  119. # [01:28] <paul_irish> my markup is pretty hot. no html tag.. new charset...
  120. # [01:29] <BrianBlakely> hehe
  121. # [01:29] <paul_irish> apparently ive known this stuff longer than i have thought
  122. # [01:29] * paul_irish has an atrociously bad memory
  123. # [01:30] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: sooooo.. chrome bugs tend to get triaged more than webkit bugs.. but webkit bugs that have attention get handled.
  124. # [01:30] <BrianBlakely> Got it
  125. # [01:30] <paul_irish> its nice to file one at the chrome level and then file an upstream bug too
  126. # [01:30] <paul_irish> (slash search for existing ones)
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  128. # [01:32] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: also. change 256 in the browser icons url to 512.. #protip
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  134. # [01:36] <BrianBlakely> Wah tank yoo
  135. # [01:36] <BrianBlakely> Yes, you were right, it has been logged twice in Webkit
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  137. # [01:37] <BrianBlakely> They aren't very detailed though, so I linked both tickets to the filing on Chromium's tracker
  138. # [01:38] <BrianBlakely> Now, we wait for people who know C++ to make life better for frontend developers >_>
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  143. # [01:55] <Pewpewarrows> it's a symbiotic relationship, they make it work, we make nice-looking websites thanking them for that work
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  147. # [02:04] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: ive been thinking about how to get frontend developers better integrated into browser development
  148. # [02:05] <paul_irish> like at this stage.. its education about bug reporting.. reduced test cases.. etc..
  149. # [02:05] <paul_irish> then next is.. creating and committing LayoutTests..
  150. # [02:05] <paul_irish> DevTools hacking..
  151. # [02:05] <paul_irish> there's a lot that's accessible to folks who don't know C++
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  160. # [02:39] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: I envision that a good step could be a Web Inspector tab that expands on FF4's "Feedback" button.
  161. # [02:40] <BrianBlakely> Combine it with Profiler-esque functionality, for things like grantg's V8 bug, and the ability to link to a URL, or provide a ZIP of local files which contains a pre-arranged test case
  162. # [02:41] <paul_irish> hmm
  163. # [02:41] <BrianBlakely> A lot of people don't know how to get involved, and bugzilla isn't necessarily a good experience for everyone
  164. # [02:41] <paul_irish> yeah
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  166. # [02:43] <cheilmann> yeah bugzilla needs a better ui
  167. # [02:44] <BrianBlakely> It's functional, but it certainly isn't inviting. You have to *really* care about your bug, heh.
  168. # [02:45] <cheilmann> classic engineering interface
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  171. # [02:46] <cheilmann> let's add all features and let people block out the ones they don't need.
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  184. # [03:23] <grantg> paul_irish: About to release another "shit brix" youtube video. ;D
  185. # [03:23] <bot-t> (1 hour 57 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg saw chris is all over your bug. \o/
  186. # [03:23] <grantg> This time with safari!
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  189. # [03:24] <grantg> maybe soon with chromium if the web audio api doesn't hang after x seconds when crogers fixes this weird bug specific to it.
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  191. # [03:26] * grantg is all over http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71951
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  194. # [03:28] * grantg is real pissed off by http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71951#c5
  195. # [03:29] <grantg> "I used to set my own sample rate into createBuffer, but the api seemed to ignore my value, so I'm stuck using some arbitrary sample rate. I need 70khz for a special WAV PCM RAM emulation, otherwise it sounds like crap to put it simply."
  196. # [03:29] <grantg> Pikachu won't say pikachu in pokemon yellow if the sample rate is somewhere below 70 khz
  197. # [03:29] <grantg> :/
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  201. # [03:36] * grantg has analyzed the assembly code patterns used for WAV PCM RAM updating, and this is why I selected 70khz.
  202. # [03:36] <paul_irish> yeah i did that too. i picked 120hz. IN YO FACE
  203. # [03:37] <grantg> and you can audibly hear the difference between 70khz and 44.1khz
  204. # [03:37] <grantg> heh
  205. # [03:38] <grantg> actually the js GBA emulator has a LOWER sample rate
  206. # [03:38] <grantg> because a lot of the audio is DMA'd in at a low sample rate
  207. # [03:38] <grantg> 4 realz
  208. # [03:38] <grantg> :P
  209. # [03:39] <grantg> GBC is more realtime focused
  210. # [03:39] <grantg> as in since it has no dma, the raw audio samples are loaded and stored into the wav pcm ram i/o registers directly by the cpu.
  211. # [03:40] <grantg> the GBA has that option too, but uses it far less
  212. # [03:40] <grantg> because doing this is generally bad due to tearing via the internal shadow playback sample position.
  213. # [03:41] <grantg> and a horrible bitwidth
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  215. # [03:42] * grantg has a shitload of buffer under-run detection logic for webkit's audio api path.
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  219. # [03:42] <grantg> :/
  220. # [03:43] <grantg> and counters that have to have every case logic covered.
  221. # [03:43] <Pewpewarrows> well that's the blessing and curse of pushing new features to their limits
  222. # [03:43] <Pewpewarrows> sucks that your ideas can't be completely realized, awesome that you pave the way for future devs
  223. # [03:44] <grantg> heh
  224. # [03:44] <grantg> just wait for my newest shit brix youtube video
  225. # [03:44] <grantg> problem 99.9% solved.
  226. # [03:44] <Pewpewarrows> I eagerly await it :)
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  228. # [03:44] <grantg> just finished uploading
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  231. # [03:44] <grantg> on the processing queue.
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  233. # [03:45] <grantg> shit brix.... with webkit nightly. :D
  234. # [03:45] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfRq-TEKlPo
  235. # [03:45] <grantg> still processing...
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  237. # [03:48] <grantg> Processing 97% — Finishing processing...
  238. # [03:50] <grantg> woo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfRq-TEKlPo
  239. # [03:51] <Pewpewarrows> hah nice work
  240. # [03:51] <grantg> has to minimal 1:1 so safari doesn't slow the fuck down. :/
  241. # [03:52] <grantg> thanks
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  243. # [03:53] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/ffl2d/shit_brix_with_safari_now/
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  249. # [03:56] <Neiluj> bye guys
  250. # [03:56] <grantg> nn
  251. # [03:56] <Neiluj> 4AM time to go home...
  252. # [03:56] <grantg> heh
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  254. # [04:05] <grantg> shit brix with safari - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfRq-TEKlPo shit brix with firefox - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ5gE8KkT0s
  255. # [04:05] <grantg> hehe
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  305. # [07:04] <NiftyLettuce> stuffed mushrooms ftw
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  317. # [08:01] <NiftyLettuce> hey is there an easy way to add a border around margin of a div that has rounded corners
  318. # [08:01] <NiftyLettuce> with jquery or somethin
  319. # [08:01] <NiftyLettuce> so the box has outline
  320. # [08:02] <NiftyLettuce> wrappers blowwwwww
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  323. # [08:16] <shepazu> hi, shepazutoo
  324. # [08:17] <shepazutoo> Bi
  325. # [08:17] <shepazutoo> Hi, shepazu
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  337. # [08:35] <BrianBlakely> buh wah? New yayQuery!
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  340. # [08:53] <BrianBlakely> All HWA be damned, there are no animations smoother than Safari's
  341. # [08:53] <BrianBlakely> If you're animating CSS transforms, you're looking high-end on Safari
  342. # [08:53] <BrianBlakely> sigh
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  385. # [12:54] <wingchun> hi guys, it's just less than a week since i have known about html5 and i immediately made some search about this. however, it says that it is still in progress. how far it goes now?
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  450. # [15:50] <pcgenius> i want to develop some game using html 5 so suggest me a good tutorial ,or e book for start
  451. # [15:52] <Dorward> pcgenius: "game" is a very broad term (as is, frankly, 'html 5'). You need to decide what you actually want to achieve and then pick the technologies (some of which might be part of the HTML 5 spec or the wider collection of things people call "html 5") that suit it.
  452. # [15:53] <Peter`> I must say that I find your nickname rather ironic, given you asked that question
  453. # [15:56] <pcgenius> do you remember that google developed an html 5 game some days before in which gmail's icon fly in sky an so on...., so i just want to develop that type games
  454. # [15:57] <Dorward> So arcade style? You want to look in to SVG or Canvas.
  455. # [15:58] <pcgenius> Dorwad:thanks :)
  456. # [15:59] <pcgenius> Dorward:thanks :)
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  493. # [18:38] <andrewjbaker> Do still need to wrap my JS in <![CDATA[ ... ]]> with HTML5?
  494. # [18:39] <echoSMILE> websockets will happen?
  495. # [18:39] <echoSMILE> in Html5
  496. # [18:44] <nimbupani> no andrewjbaker dont
  497. # [18:47] <andrewjbaker> OK nimbupani, thx.
  498. # [18:48] <andrewjbaker> What about prefixing the type attribute with javascript: ?
  499. # [18:48] <pcgenius> echoSMILE:http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/start-using-html5-websockets-today/
  500. # [18:48] <andrewjbaker> Sorry, not the type attrib.
  501. # [18:49] <andrewjbaker> The onload attrib. for example.
  502. # [18:49] <andrewjbaker> <body onload="javascript: foo()">
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  504. # [18:50] <nimbupani> dont use inline scripts andrewjbaker
  505. # [18:50] <nimbupani> if you can help it
  506. # [18:51] <andrewjbaker> Ah.. that's OK, I'm not now. I was tho'. Switched to jQuery's ready().
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  508. # [18:53] <echoSMILE> pcgenius: tks. safari+chrome grr
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  510. # [18:54] <andrewjbaker> I've been cleaning up the source for my game; started working on transitioning from one area to the next.
  511. # [18:55] <echoSMILE> andrewjbaker: what kind of game? quake? :P
  512. # [18:55] <andrewjbaker> echoSMILE, http://fleetingfantasy.com/
  513. # [18:55] <andrewjbaker> echoSMILE, not quite.^^
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  515. # [18:56] <echoSMILE> loading
  516. # [19:00] <pcgenius> echoSMILE:firefox beta 4 support it
  517. # [19:00] <pcgenius> echoSMILE:firefox beta 4 support websockets
  518. # [19:01] <andrewjbaker> I thought there was some security issue w/ WebSockets at the protocol-level... has that been corrected?
  519. # [19:01] <echoSMILE> pcgenius: i will test it no matter what.
  520. # [19:02] <pcgenius> echoSMILE:ok :)
  521. # [19:05] <echoSMILE> tks
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  541. # [19:54] <ergalassi> hi there, is there any possible way to get path coordinates in order to help some mouseover validation ? similar to isPointInPath from Canvas/Path.
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  549. # [20:15] <miketaylr> path coordinates?
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  553. # [20:18] <ergalassi> miketayir: when drawing on canvas
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  563. # [20:33] <hydrozen> Hi. Is there a way to change the position of the placeholder text in an input in Chrome? My input has a fixed height, and the placeholder text in Chrome is always aligned at the top instead of middle.
  564. # [20:35] <miketaylr> currently, i believe you can only change the color in webkit
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  568. # [20:38] <hydrozen> miketaylr: yeah that's what im starting to think
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  579. # [21:24] <trave> hydrozen: css line-height doesnt effect it?
  580. # [21:25] <trave> (an hour late) heh
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  593. # [22:05] <WRA> anyone else notice that globalCompositeOperation starts bugging out when you use drawImage with a canvas?
  594. # [22:06] <WRA> FF/Chrome
  595. # [22:06] <snover> globalCompositeOperation is an interestingly brokenly specced feature
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  597. # [22:07] <WRA> I was using source-out for it and it works great... when you aren't trying to do anything spiffy with it
  598. # [22:07] <WRA> oh, and createPattern doesn't work a video even though the spec says that it should
  599. # [22:07] <WRA> Chrome/FF
  600. # [22:07] <WRA> *with
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  603. # [22:13] <Ms2ger> File a bug
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  609. # [22:40] <realityking> likely stupid question, is there DOM API to determine the language of an element (kinda like the ::lang() CSS pseudo-class, only that I don't want to check against a given value).
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  611. # [22:45] <realityking> looking at the lang property doesn't help, because it seems the value is not inherited (unlike CSS where it does)
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  629. # [23:45] <mike5w3c> realityking: annevk over on #whatwg says, "matchesSelector() is what will allow that"
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  631. # [23:46] <realityking> mike5w3c: guess I',,
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  633. # [23:47] <realityking> ll join you over there
  634. # [23:47] <mike5w3c> yeah
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