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# Session Start: Mon Feb 07 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:12] <Icehuu> why not WRA?
# [00:12] <Icehuu> It's like a boxing match with more of a structure.
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# [00:31] <xonecas> WRA: I used to live in Portugal, and I would stay awake really late to watch it with my friends. Why? Any excuse for a party :-)
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# [00:43] <key> hi ppl
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# [01:41] <grantg> paul_irish: me thinks there's a bug with mozCurrentSampleOffset
# [01:41] <grantg> Like it counts up when it shouldn't.
# [01:42] <grantg> Not bad, but seems to *rarely* happen when the CPU is at 100%.
# [01:42] <grantg> like firefox skips an event.
# [01:43] <grantg> *OS event
# [01:43] <key> so until html 5 and css 3 are supported, what should we do?
# [01:43] <tw2113> what do you mean until?
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# [01:44] <key> well isn't it like 20 or 30 years away?
# [01:45] <tw2113> have you done any googling or looking around regarding the support that is already present?
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# [01:47] <tw2113> you can use a decent chunk of it now with good support
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# [01:48] <tw2113> although keep in mind that different browsers do have different levels of support for X feature
# [01:48] <psiom> greets
# [01:48] <key> tw2113: ok so if i use very basic html and css, i should be safe; nice
# [01:49] <key> (i don't design complex web sites)
# [01:49] <tw2113> ?g caniuse
# [01:49] <bot-t> tw2113, When can I use... Support tables for HTML5, CSS3, etc - http://caniuse.com/
# [01:49] <tw2113> check that link key
# [01:49] <key> woot
# [01:49] <key> thanks tw
# [01:50] <psiom> I'm a Flash/iPhone developer, and I'm having much google failings trying to determine whether there's a good IDE/SDK/etc for developing HTML5... is anyone able to point me to something worth checking out?
# [01:50] <psiom> I mean I could do the dev in notepad, but I've become rather accustomed to code completion and other such nifty tools :)
# [01:51] <psiom> err..sorry, for developing in javascript/CANVAS, re HTML5...meant to be more specific there
# [01:51] <psiom> say, a html5 game for example, written using a good OOP class structure, rendered to the canvas
# [01:53] <WRA> :3
# [01:53] <WRA> impactjs is pretty good
# [01:53] <WRA> but its 100$
# [01:53] <WRA> akihabara is free but its a mess
# [01:53] <WRA> I'm working on https://github.com/WhenRaptorsAttack/Jixel
# [01:53] <WRA> which is a port of flixel
# [01:53] <psiom> my favourite district...warrants a look for that reason alone
# [01:54] <psiom> nice :)
# [01:54] <psiom> I'm looking to port my own framework actually, but not liking the thought of doing it all in np++
# [01:55] <psiom> flixel would do great in html5 though
# [01:56] <tw2113> key just a fyi, the 20 years thing was, at one point, the predicted time when the spec for this stuff would be finalized by the W3C
# [01:56] <tw2113> but as history has shown, people use the technologies long before finalization
# [01:56] <key> yes, which causes the misuse which has plagued the web since the early days
# [01:57] <key> take forever to put out a spec, people use it partially + bastardize the rest, Dead-Before-Arrival
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# [01:57] <key> the web is such a dirty dirty platform
# [01:57] <tw2113> you should be going back and revising anyway
# [01:57] * key left web dev in '99 to do lower level work and is now back
# [01:57] <tw2113> keep an eye on where things are going, realign with that
# [01:58] <tw2113> and yes vendor prefixes for css3 stuff feels dirty to a lot of people
# [01:58] <tw2113> but you can easily go in and remove those quickly and be back on square one
# [01:58] <key> i didn't say anything about vendor prefixes, you did
# [01:59] <tw2113> a lot of the html tags that are new are pretty set in stone too
# [01:59] <tw2113> i doubt there will be drastic changes to them between now and then
# [02:01] <tw2113> brb
# [02:01] <key> yea i mean, i've heard all that before
# [02:01] <key> makes the pool water no less filthy
# [02:12] <tw2113> you can use whatever you want, i know what I intend to use regularly in the near future :D
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# [02:13] <WRA> This is the future of the internet, http://finalboss.org/h/
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# [02:26] <psiom> that hurts my brain
# [02:26] <psiom> and hypnotises it
# [02:26] <psiom> and hurts it
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# [02:50] <xonecas> WRA: about that link: outch...
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# [02:55] <NiftyLettuce> chrome beta OK to use?
# [02:55] <NiftyLettuce> anyone experience issues on *nix based systems?
# [03:04] <BrianBlakely|eat> paul_irish: This is awesome, thank you for proving me wrong <3
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# [03:05] <paul_irish> heh
# [03:07] <xonecas> NiftyLettuce: I use linux and chrome 11 is great on it
# [03:08] <xonecas> can someone proof read my broken english, pretty please?
# [03:08] <xonecas> http://xonecas.com/
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# [03:10] <BrianBlakely> Maybe remove the "to improve" from "any feedback to improve is welcome"
# [03:10] <BrianBlakely> xonecas
# [03:10] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: will do thanks :-)
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# [03:14] <xonecas> I'm surprised, I must be getting better at english. usually there are more mistakes...
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# [03:17] <key> what's your native language xonecas ?
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# [03:19] <key> hey guys, why can html elements have multiple classes applied? it's like multiple inheritance kinda, which we all know to suck
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# [03:22] <xonecas> key: Portuguese
# [03:24] <snover> key: css classes have nothing to do with object oriented programming
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# [03:38] <tw2113> <3 the fact that multiple classes are possible
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# [03:47] <key> do you guys build sites to use 100% of width? or do you do the 'center a document's width' thing?
# [03:49] <tw2113> i tend to stick to a container 960px wide
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# [04:12] <key> tw2113: but what about scaling interfaces and people running 30" displays?
# [04:13] <tw2113> if i plan to go smaller, it'd be a case of using media queries
# [04:13] <key> pardon?
# [04:13] <tw2113> if it's a case of going bigger, i probably wouldn't scale up the site, and from what i understand, most people don't do full screen on huge displays
# [04:13] <tw2113> ?g css media queries
# [04:13] <bot-t> tw2113, Media Queries - http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/
# [04:14] <tw2113> there ya go
# [04:14] <key> media queries, ok got it. coulda also said style sheet media attr correct?
# [04:15] <tw2113> eh?
# [04:15] <key> nvm
# [04:15] <tw2113> k
# [04:16] <key> why 960? figure most ppl have 1024 width?
# [04:17] <tw2113> little bit of left/right padding
# [04:17] <tw2113> don't need the content butting up against the side of the browser window
# [04:17] <key> yea, i remember when we went from 760 to that back in the day
# [04:17] <tw2113> this way each side gets 32px
# [04:17] <key> (i personally used 20px of margin on each side)
# [04:18] <key> 976 could be nice though
# [04:18] <key> give 24 for each side
# [04:18] <tw2113> go with whatever you want :)
# [04:18] <key> we should continue to discuss this
# [04:19] <tw2113> 960 becaome popular with the 960.gs system
# [04:19] <tw2113> ?g 960.gs > key
# [04:19] <bot-t> tw2113, Category: 960.gs tutorials - http://www.gridsystemgenerator.com/category/resources/grid-system-tutorials/960-gs-tutorials/
# [04:19] <tw2113> damn, that didn't work out quite like i hoped :D
# [04:21] <tw2113> it's all preference really
# [04:21] <key> well, what i did always like about 960 was that it was 480 * 2
# [04:21] <key> 240 120 60 30 15 are numbers that feel nice to me
# [04:21] <tw2113> easily divisible
# [04:22] <key> but then again, i also always enjoy base 10 and 2 systems
# [04:22] <key> yep
# [04:22] <key> and the 15 minimum granularity i actually enjoy. coarse granularity is perfect for, as you said, grid systems
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# [04:25] <key> tw2113: what do you think?
# [04:26] <tw2113> i don't get in on that half of the site process too much at the moment
# [04:26] <tw2113> i'm mostly handed a PSD and told "make this work in Wordpress"
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# [04:28] <key> oh. so out of curiosity, what's your workflow to do that? make a psd work in wordpress
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# [04:29] <BrianBlakely> Static-width layouts work well because page zoom on non-IE browsers does a great job
# [04:29] <tw2113> determine what parts need to be images, extract those out of the psd
# [04:29] <tw2113> figure out containers needed
# [04:30] <tw2113> slowly pull out hair as i look at all of the potential z-index issues i'll be seeing
# [04:30] <BrianBlakely> The best layouts can deal with being static width and convert to 100% width when the zoom level is high
# [04:30] <tw2113> the past few "big" projects have had things jutting out the sides of containers
# [04:30] <tw2113> and too much love for paperclips + paper behind it
# [04:32] <key> btw what do you mean by 'containers'? like, DIV?
# [04:32] <tw2113> divs/articles/headers/footers/sections/asides
# [04:33] <tw2113> use the latter ones when possible, divs for when the latter isn't the right fit
# [04:35] <tw2113> use the html5shiv for the IE dinosaurs, set them to display: block in css for all of the browsers for the time being
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# [04:44] <key> dunno what you meant by the last sentence, but it reminds me of what i read about 'css resetting'
# [04:45] <key> or an article from a day ago that talked about providing 'safe defaults' for html tags
# [04:46] <tw2113> ?g html5shiv
# [04:46] <bot-t> tw2113, html5shiv - Project Hosting on Google Code - http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/
# [04:46] <tw2113> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/how-to-make-all-browsers-render-html5-mark-up-correctly-even-ie6/
# [04:46] <key> eh ill add that crap later. right now i'm just starting off my fresh html 5/css 3 project
# [04:46] <tw2113> there ya go
# [04:46] <key> nice
# [04:46] <key> damn they use long urls
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# [04:47] <tw2113> you may want to read the last one, as it applies to all the browsers
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# [04:48] <key> that article says hgroup is a html 5 tag
# [04:48] <key> it isn't
# [04:49] <key> btw, what does DIV stand for? my best idea was 'division'
# [04:49] <key> like a vertical sectioner
# [04:49] <tw2113> that's my best guess
# [04:49] <key> oh
# [04:49] <tw2113> hgroup isn't an html5 thing?
# [04:50] <tw2113> http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/
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# [04:52] <key> i remember seeing this thing years ago
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# [05:05] <key> ok i just read the net+ article on html 5 shiv
# [05:06] <tw2113> cool
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# [05:30] <devongovett> any html5 drag and drop experts in this room?
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# [07:17] <niftylettuce> woot new development OS
# [07:17] <WRA> (11:26:58 PM) devongovett: any html5 drag and drop experts in this room?
# [07:17] <WRA> experts everywhere
# [07:19] <BrianBlakely> niftylettuce: wat
# [07:20] <BrianBlakely> Time to sleepy
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# [07:21] <grantg> paul_irish: It seems my twitter account was deactivated when it got hacked
# [07:22] <grantg> So twitter is being a bitch and won't let me re-use the nick handle or email. :/
# [07:23] <grantg> Seems someone tried to simply piss me off, i.e. was not a hacker, but someone who got on a computer I had used awhile back and used an automatic login fill of mine to get back for what ever reason idk.
# [07:24] <grantg> b/c nothing else besides account lockups were done. :/
# [07:25] <grantg> @unknownXTR now
# [07:30] <qq99> grantg, arguably you deserved it for failing to properly protect yourself ;P
# [07:30] <grantg> heh
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# [07:31] <qq99> sorry to hear though, that's always unfortunate when stuff like that happens
# [07:31] <qq99> frustrating people out there haha
# [07:31] <qq99> gl
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# [07:43] <paul_irish> grantg: that sucks man. :( sorry to hear it
# [07:43] <grantg> yeah
# [07:43] <grantg> it's ok
# [07:49] <grantg> nn
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# [08:00] <mahen23> hi all
# [08:01] <mahen23> i just created a demo in html5: http://mobilemru.com/html5/
# [08:02] <key> mahen
# [08:03] <key> why do you link to a MS url?
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# [08:03] <key> and why is your doctype declaration not beginning with ! ?
# [08:08] <mahen23> dude it just works!
# [08:08] <niftylettuce> grantg: get stuff figured outs?
# [08:09] <daleharvey> what just works, contenteditable ?
# [08:09] <mahen23> ya
# [08:09] <daleharvey> I dunno what its demoing, it takes whatever you edit and saves it on blur
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# [08:18] <mokush> best domain registrar? except godaddy, I don't like them.
# [08:18] <daleharvey> people liek ghandi.net
# [08:19] <daleharvey> * http://www.gandi.net/
# [08:19] <daleharvey> * like (I should learn to type)
# [08:19] <mokush> daleharvey: love the tagline.
# [08:21] <mokush> how about name.com?
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# [08:41] <psiom> anyone had trouble with ie9 beta ignoring the canvas tag?
# [08:43] <mokush> psiom: not really, but try the latest platform prev, see if it still happens
# [08:45] <psiom> will have to I think
# [08:45] <psiom> thanks
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# [08:45] <WRA> http://www.raptoris.com/jixel :D
# [08:46] <WRA> tilemaps are in finally
# [08:58] <niftylettuce> jedit/gedit/aptana/emacs/vim? any input here from you folk?
# [08:59] <niftylettuce> non OSX
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# [09:09] <daleharvey> emacs <3
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# [09:15] <mokush> niftylettuce: win/nux?
# [09:16] <mokush> WRA: nice, but how about some destruction? >:)
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# [09:20] <niftylettuce> mokush, using gedit again... I was using Ubuntu but switched to Debian
# [09:21] <niftylettuce> mokush, pimping it out, going to be more proficient with zencoding I suppose.... php gone ruby :)
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# [09:21] <mokush> niftylettuce: if you need an ide, you should try kdevelop, or, just for a text editor, kate rocks
# [09:21] <niftylettuce> sass haml ruby yaml doctrine oh god 3 lines of code in each file :D
# [09:21] <niftylettuce> i want super light weight super super light weight
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# [09:21] <mokush> niftylettuce: kate is your thing then
# [09:22] <niftylettuce> mokush: i tried kate, didn't get hooked, you have reason why it better than gedit?
# [09:22] <niftylettuce> mokush, I've tried literally everything available
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# [09:25] <mokush> niftylettuce: I'm bised, since I've always liked kde better. but, you should try 'em both for a couple of days, and see what suits you best.
# [09:25] <niftylettuce> mokush, favorite color theme? I'm trying out a bunch from mig
# [09:26] <mokush> niftylettuce: I use the obsidian color scheme for the whole desktop, so that applies to kate too
# [09:26] <niftylettuce> mokush, yeah that was my old theme b4 i installed new OS debian
# [09:27] <niftylettuce> mokush, i was hooked on obsidian 2 yr ago back in Eclipse PDT
# [09:28] <mokush> niftylettuce: it rocks, as long as you don't have a super-reflective screen
# [09:28] <niftylettuce> mokush, fav fixed width font? monospace? ewww
# [09:29] <mokush> niftylettuce: no ideea, haven't messed with the fonts, guess it uses the defaults in kubuntu
# [09:29] <niftylettuce> mokush, you try bitstream vera sans? its nice
# [09:32] <niftylettuce> ew test fonts with 'Illegal100=00'.... vera sans ewww
# [09:36] <WRA> behold, updates - http://www.raptoris.com/Jixel-Demo
# [09:45] <Evet> is there a widget toolkit uses html5 canvas?
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# [10:10] <key> i hate all of the captchas on the web now
# [10:12] <key> wra, what's jixel? looks like an arrow and clouds i can move around the screen
# [10:12] <key> but like, point?
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# [10:52] <key> im not seeing the difference between section div and article tags
# [10:52] <key> seems arbitrary
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# [11:05] <Dorward> key: A div is a generic block with no semantics. A section is a group of content, usually with a heading. An article is like a section, but makes sense outside of the context of the current document.
# [11:06] <key> ok, so i could see company sites using more sections, and blogs using more articles
# [11:07] <key> a company site would be like header + nav and section + nav + divs
# [11:08] <key> a blog would be like header + nav and article + header + sections
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# [13:06] <WRA1> http://www.raptoris.com/Jixel-Demo yay for audio channels
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# [13:14] <BlessJah> i want to create simple interactive website, for example pressing m would brought user to main page and pressing + would change font size, where can i find tutorials and what should i ask google>
# [13:15] <WRA1> jQuery
# [13:16] <BlessJah> WRA1: presentations using html5 that changes sides by pressing -> are made with jQuery, right?
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# [13:18] <BlessJah> WRA1: http://slides.html5rocks.com/
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# [13:19] <jo-erlend> that was nice...
# [13:19] <WRA1> dunno, view the source
# [13:20] <BlessJah> i'm viewing, i see html, css and some scipts in JS, but dunno how does it works
# [13:21] <nimbupani> then you need to learn html and css
# [13:21] <nimbupani> from ground up
# [13:21] <nimbupani> ?g opera web standards curriculum
# [13:21] <bot-t> nimbupani, Opera: Web Standards Curriculum - http://www.opera.com/company/education/curriculum/
# [13:21] <nimbupani> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1-introduction-to-the-web-standards-cur/#toc
# [13:25] <WRA1> bah
# [13:25] <WRA1> must goto work
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# [13:57] <pratz> hey guys i have a video on my server and i need to play it to the client browser, what is the path i need to give in src for it ??
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# [15:26] <Drule> Are imgs still required to have specified width and height according to html5 standards?
# [15:27] <miketaylr> no, don't believe that was a requirement in html4 either
# [15:27] <Drule> So it's not required in HTML?
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# [15:30] <mikesusz> Drule - the spec doesn't say they're required - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/embedded-content-1.html#the-img-element
# [15:31] <mikesusz> but for downlevel browsers be careful about leaving them off
# [15:31] <mikesusz> also for page rendering issues; if the DOM renders while the image is still being requested (before the size is known) the container element will render collapsed and then shift when the img dimensions are applied
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# [15:33] <Drule> Alright mikesusz
# [15:33] <Drule> Thanks.
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# [16:15] <digitalfiz> dedicated to you paul_irish
# [16:19] <Evet> is there a way to convert flex to html5?
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# [16:22] <digitalfiz> Evet, not automatically but im sure you can do the same things you do with flex in html5
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# [16:23] <Evet> digitalfiz: sure i can. but there isnt any easy-to-develop widget toolkit for html5
# [16:24] <Dorward> Evet: YUI? ExtJS? jQuery-UI?
# [16:24] <digitalfiz> and i fear it will be a sad day when there is
# [16:25] <digitalfiz> i think Evet means like dreamweaver and the flash programs
# [16:25] <Dorward> WYSIWYG app builders are why most Flash things are horribly inaccessible
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# [16:29] <Evet> not a visual designer, something like extjs would be good
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# [17:06] <Evet> processing.js looks cool
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# [17:46] <JonathanNeal> Hello
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# [18:05] <blokefrompoland> Is that just me or there is no way of using inset box shadow mixed with border radius >= 200px in Chrome?
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# [18:07] <nimbupani> i think its a bug that got fixed very recently?
# [18:08] <blokefrompoland> I've got Chrome 10.0.648.18.
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# [18:08] <nimbupani> ?g chrome bug border radius box shadow
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# [18:08] <bot-t> nimbupani, css3 - Box-shadow and border-radius bug in Chrome - Stack Overflow - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2937731/box-shadow-and-border-radius-bug-in-chrome
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# [18:11] <blokefrompoland> Actually it works fine with border-radius: 179px and below.
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# [18:16] <paul_irish> bigass radius
# [18:16] <blokefrompoland> http://jsfiddle.net/vA9MY/ - that's with 200px
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# [18:19] <cgcardona> html5 shim or modernizer?
# [18:20] <blokefrompoland> Or?
# [18:20] <cgcardona> i read somewhere not to use them both
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# [18:21] <blokefrompoland> why?
# [18:21] <cgcardona> looking for url
# [18:21] <nimbupani> yes
# [18:21] <nimbupani> no need to use both
# [18:21] <blokefrompoland> Don't believe anything you find on the Internet ;)
# [18:22] <nimbupani> modernizr does what html5 shim does when u include it
# [18:23] <tw2113> cgcardona, go with modernizer, it does the shiv + more
# [18:23] <cgcardona> thanks nimbupani & tw2113
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# [18:25] <blokefrompoland> I didn't know it creates 'new' elements. Hm...
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# [19:19] <cgcardona> you've failed me this time - but never again
# [19:20] <tw2113> until they do again
# [19:20] <tw2113> :D
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# [19:21] <cgcardona> :p
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# [19:29] <JonathanNeal> Hey all.
# [19:30] <cgcardona> howdy
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# [19:34] <tw2113> yo yo
# [19:35] <JonathanNeal> :)
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# [19:47] <JonathanNeal> Is there a <base> equivalent for itemtype?
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# [19:56] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: https://github.com/scottjehl/Respond/ check this
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# [20:03] <tw2113> sup cgcardona
# [20:04] <JonathanNeal> That's cool. But I still don't like media queries in general.
# [20:04] <JonathanNeal> I want classnames.
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# [20:08] <tw2113> cgcardona, apparently Google I/O sold out in 59 minutes
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# [20:09] <franksalim> Google I/O sold out before I woke up
# [20:11] <tw2113> i assume it's some conference for programmers
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# [20:15] <JonathanNeal> cgcardona, going to up any new music to thewikies?
# [20:15] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: get my message about media queries?
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# [20:22] <paul_irish> i did.
# [20:25] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/fh0hg/paul_irish_on_html5_boilerplate_video/
# [20:25] <tw2113> posted by some guy with the id of "realstevejobs"
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# [20:29] <niftylettuce> ndimatteo_ alo thar
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# [20:30] <ndimatteo> niftylettuce: hello mate
# [20:32] <BrianBlakely> Greetings #html5
# [20:33] <niftylettuce> BrianBlakely, suppity
# [20:33] <tw2113> allo allo!
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# [20:33] <BrianBlakely> Say, niftylettuce, last night you said "woot new development OS" - what did you mean?
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# [20:35] <niftylettuce> BrianBlakely, had switched from ubuntu lucid to debian squeeeeeeze :)
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# [20:42] <BrianBlakely> I just saw the Firebug team's Swarm page: http://getfirebug.com/releases/swarms/
# [20:43] <BrianBlakely> The collections there are pretty amazing, and pre-tested
# [20:43] <BrianBlakely> Plus, some bring in functionality that I've really wanted for a long time, but I didn't know about these extensions
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# [20:54] <Evet> do you know a good physics engine for javascript?
# [20:54] <Evet> s/javascript/canvas/
# [20:57] <niftylettuce> \o
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# [21:09] <Zeddy> hey, im wondering, if i have a .sqlitedb file, which contains lots of images stored in BLOB, is it possible to load this database and display an image using html5 and without using php at all?
# [21:09] <Zeddy> the idea would be to create a offline html5 based map application
# [21:10] <Moo-_> Zeddy: I think phonegap folks are doing something like that
# [21:10] <Moo-_> but how would you load the database?
# [21:10] <Moo-_> with phonegap, you can have predistributed database bundled with the app
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# [21:14] <key> how could you access a db using only html?
# [21:15] <Zeddy> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/ ?
# [21:16] <Zeddy> i thought html 5 had some client side database
# [21:17] <Zeddy> Moo-_, i couldn't find any similar projects within the phonegap community?
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# [21:43] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: The reason my cookie parser was so slow with regex appears to be because I was using RegExp.exec(), instead of String.match() … the latter is WAY faster, but wasn't working because it is quirky when you pass it a RegExp object instead of a string
# [21:43] <paul_irish> oic
# [21:44] <paul_irish> test() > match() > exec() iirc
# [21:44] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Now the regex solution is sometimes faster than the string op in Webkit … and it's one line of code :D
# [21:44] <BrianBlakely> http://jsperf.com/cookie-parsing/3
# [21:44] <paul_irish> nice
# [21:44] <BrianBlakely> I need to read that part of The Good Parts again.. I believe Crock makes some comments to that effect
# [21:45] <BrianBlakely> So thanks a lot man
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# [21:49] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: jshint is hard to use — any advice? Am I really supposed to throw my entire codebase inside a string argument, or else set up a Node/Rhino environment?
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# [21:50] <snover> BrianBlakely: hard to use?
# [21:50] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, it is written in javascript, if you want to pass file you have to use some server side js env. which is node or rhino
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# [21:50] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: Got it
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# [21:51] <BrianBlakely> snover: Hard to use in the sense that I could not get it working as quickly and easily as, say, JSLint
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# [21:51] <snover> I don’t understand; it’s a fork of jslint
# [21:51] <snover> how can it be harder to use?
# [21:53] <BrianBlakely> It works like this: <script> JSHINT("javascript_goes_here", [options]); </script>
# [21:53] <BrianBlakely> So, putting your JS codebase inside a string can be irksome
# [21:53] <snover> As opposed to jslint which worked like magic?
# [21:53] <snover> I don’t get it.
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# [21:55] <BrianBlakely> http://jslint.com/ existing helps a lot
# [21:56] <snover> http://jshint.com/ …
# [21:56] <snover> antonkovalyov: are you going to get to get that?
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# [21:56] <BrianBlakely> :O
# [21:56] <nimbupani> oops its gonna be updated BrianBlakely
# [21:56] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: was supposed to be doing it but I think he ended up playing video games
# [21:57] <snover> hahaha
# [21:57] <snover> i see.
# [21:57] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: The website is going to be updated?
# [21:57] <nimbupani> yeahhhh
# [21:57] <nimbupani> thats old shit
# [21:58] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, it works now
# [21:58] <antonkovalyov> in the repo
# [21:58] <nimbupani> wat
# [21:58] <nimbupani> oh
# [21:58] <antonkovalyov> not everything but enough to tweak styles
# [21:58] <antonkovalyov> or maybe not :)
# [21:58] <nimbupani> so u didnt play vid games after all :P
# [21:59] <BrianBlakely> Oh, so do you want feedback, or hold off?
# [21:59] <BrianBlakely> 99% of my errors are "Bad line breaking before"
# [21:59] <codepo8> god, I just want to burn my clothes after FOSDEM
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# [22:00] <BrianBlakely> I needs those line breaks guys ;_;
# [22:00] <codepo8> so weird to be in a country where people still smoke in pubs
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# [22:01] <BrianBlakely> "You're very brave omitting that semicolon. Tales of your bravery will no doubt be passed down for generations."
# [22:01] <BrianBlakely> hehe
# [22:01] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: Those are the only countries worth a damn ;P
# [22:01] <BrianBlakely> YMMV
# [22:02] <codepo8> And why is every Belgian beer 8%?
# [22:02] <codepo8> and why did I just realise that after 9?
# [22:04] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i did
# [22:04] <antonkovalyov> i multi-tasked
# [22:04] <antonkovalyov> did not do much for jshint.com that day :)
# [22:04] <nimbupani> :P
# [22:04] <BrianBlakely> "Variable Z was not declared correctly. Just kidding! Your way is clearly best."
# [22:04] <nimbupani> some day ur brain will give up on all the mutliple threads u have going
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# [22:04] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, whatever is right now on jshint.com is a parody, not our fork
# [22:04] <BrianBlakely> This isn't right? var X, Y = Z = 'foo';
# [22:05] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: say wat
# [22:05] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, you assume Z is a global here
# [22:05] <snover> antonkovalyov: Can the messages in jshint be changed to be awesome like the parody site anyway?
# [22:05] <snover> :D
# [22:05] <BrianBlakely> snover, antonkovalyov: Agreed
# [22:05] <antonkovalyov> we can make an option for that :)
# [22:06] <antonkovalyov> create a ticket
# [22:06] <BrianBlakely> "Stopping, your awesomeness is so overwhelming I just can't continue."
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# [22:07] <nimbupani> OMGGG finally some activity on the 2005 webkit bug for quotes
# [22:07] <key> hahaha
# [22:07] <key> webkit sux so bad
# [22:07] <nimbupani> thnx nokia
# [22:08] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Webkit's on a roll recently
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# [22:08] <paul_irish> codepo8: this stuff https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap gets me so fucking excited
# [22:08] <key> how did nokia influence webkit's bug action nimbupani ?
# [22:09] <nimbupani> key patch is by a dood at nokia
# [22:09] <paul_irish> nokia is quite involved in webkit
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# [22:09] <nimbupani> paul_irish: that diagram does not show OPERA
# [22:09] <nimbupani> SOO horrible :'(
# [22:09] <paul_irish> nimbupani: yeah i was sad about that too.
# [22:09] <nimbupani> its like half the w3c is opera people :(
# [22:10] <nimbupani> YETTT
# [22:10] <nimbupani> :'(
# [22:10] <BrianBlakely> Mozilla wants everyone to be webOS
# [22:10] <BrianBlakely> And I concur
# [22:11] <key> isn't nokia suing apple? hehe
# [22:11] <BrianBlakely> (only with actual standards support)
# [22:11] <zigzapca> hey guys I am working on a website for a client and she wants me to change the beginning image of the video. Does anyone know how to overlay the video with an image like this video? http://johnmaxwellteam.com/victory/
# [22:11] <zigzapca> Or at least tell me what room to go to
# [22:12] <BrianBlakely> In HTML5?
# [22:12] <BrianBlakely> That would be <video poster="/path/to/img/"></video>
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# [22:13] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: What is the quotes issue you spoke off, pray tell?
# [22:13] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3234
# [22:14] <nimbupani> when support lands css reset will become easier
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# [22:14] <Peter`> nimbupani: fwiw, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52126 fixed counter issues with the content: property
# [22:15] <nimbupani> o neet
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# [22:16] <zigzapca> BrianBlakely: Do i just put that around the embeded code?
# [22:19] <codepo8> zigzapca: poster attribute works there or you can overlay the video with an image and hide it when the video is ready to play
# [22:19] <codepo8> there are bugs with poster attribute on iOS
# [22:19] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Ah, very nice!
# [22:19] <zigzapca> codepo8: ok let me see if that works thanks man
# [22:20] <zigzapca> Yeah the poster didnt work
# [22:20] <codepo8> shapeshed did some good demo to see in action:
# [22:20] <codepo8> http://shapeshed.com/examples/HTML5-video-element/
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# [22:22] <BrianBlakely> poster workin' swell in Chr9
# [22:22] <key> isnt chrome up to like, version 12 now?
# [22:22] <key> or 15
# [22:22] <BrianBlakely> About 12,000
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# [22:22] <key> yea, that's right
# [22:23] <BrianBlakely> codepo8, zigzapca: Poster appears to be working in Chr9 and FF3.6
# [22:23] <zigzapca> BrianBlakely: Ok ill try it again all i use is chrome and ff
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# [22:24] <codepo8> yeah I heard about issues with iPad.
# [22:24] <codepo8> can't test myself though
# [22:24] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: I'll try it
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# [22:24] <codepo8> according to diveintohtml5
# [22:24] <codepo8> http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html
# [22:25] <codepo8> OS will not recognize the video if you include a poster attribute. The poster attribute of the <video> element allows you to display a custom image while the video is loading, or until the user presses “play.” This bug is fixed in iOS 4.0, but it will be some time before users upgrade.
# [22:25] <codepo8> ah
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# [22:25] <daleharvey> yo codepo8
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# [22:25] <daleharvey> never connected the names (I am the guy from edinburgh techmeetup)
# [22:25] <zigzapca> codepo98: well what else should i do
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# [22:26] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: Yeah, works on iOS 4.2, and diveintohtml5 is not entirely correct, because iOS users generally upgrade really really fast
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# [22:26] <zigzapca> codepo8: i need an image that when clicked on it will start playing the video right away
# [22:26] <BrianBlakely> I think ~90% are on 4.2
# [22:26] <BrianBlakely> Or at least the latest their device supports
# [22:26] <codepo8> hey dale :)
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# [22:26] <Peter`> I never plug my iPad in my computer with iTunes
# [22:26] <tw2113> hey all
# [22:26] <codepo8> zigzapca: that is the poster attribute
# [22:27] <Peter`> though, in this case, I'm sure I run the latest version
# [22:27] <BrianBlakely> Peter`: How do you update your yayQuery feed?
# [22:27] <zigzapca> codepo8: ok let me see if i can get this working
# [22:27] <Peter`> BrianBlakely: I think you're asking the wrong Peter
# [22:27] <codepo8> if there is no poster defined the browser will just show the first frame it finds
# [22:28] <Peter`> I hear people talking about yayQuery if something happens, that's how I notice
# [22:28] <zigzapca> codepo8: do i put it inside the iframe? or around the iframe?
# [22:28] <codepo8> You can of course just cover the video with an image and play the video when you click on it - this is what oprah's website does http://www.oprah.com/own
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# [22:30] <codepo8> what IFRAME are you talking about?
# [22:31] <zigzapca> the iFrame for the youtube video that i have imbeded in my website
# [22:31] <zigzapca> I was assuming that i put that poster video around it right?
# [22:32] <codepo8> with html5 video you don't need any iframes - the video element can be covered by an image like any other html element
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# [22:33] <zigzapca> Oh yeah that makes sense
# [22:35] <key> people still use frames? heh
# [22:35] <BrianBlakely> Open Q: Good local alternative to the interesting vid.ly? I've been rolling my own universal video solution, but maybe there's something even more robust out there...
# [22:36] <BrianBlakely> key: iframes, yes
# [22:36] <key> what's the diff
# [22:37] <codepo8> Oh, you never told us the video is on youtube
# [22:37] <codepo8> that would have been good information
# [22:37] <BrianBlakely> a-heh
# [22:38] <codepo8> iFrame is a new apple product - poster frames to hang up your ipad if you want to watch slideshows
# [22:38] <key> i thought that was the iFanboy
# [22:38] <key> special Douche Edition
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# [22:39] <zigzapca> codepo8: ok i got the image to show but now it wont play the video when i click on it
# [22:40] <codepo8> yeah
# [22:41] <codepo8> I am also very sure that covering YouTube videos with your own image is against their terms and conditions
# [22:41] <key> fuck youtube
# [22:42] <key> it's all about animated gifs again
# [22:42] <key> under construction gifs and midi music will live for EVARRRR
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# [22:43] <zigzapca> DAMNIT!
# [22:44] <zigzapca> Fuck my life
# [22:44] <zigzapca> lol
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# [22:46] <key> :P
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# [22:48] <codepo8> zigzapca: there is the youtube API you can use
# [22:48] <codepo8> or host the video with vid.ly instead
# [22:48] <codepo8> or archive.org
# [22:48] <codepo8> explained here: http://www.wait-till-i.com/2011/01/05/recording-interviews-on-skype-and-converting-to-html5-friendly-formats-the-easy-way/
# [22:49] <BrianBlakely> zigzapca: http://www.squidoo.com/youtubeframe
# [22:49] <Zeddy> how is it possible that phonegap offers support for html 5 geolocation on symbian devices when Qt webkit even doesn't?
# [22:49] <BrianBlakely> OR:
# [22:49] <BrianBlakely> ?g youtube poster image
# [22:49] <zigzapca> Well do you know where the youtube terms are that say that you cant overlay there videos cuz mayeb i will just tell my client that and quit messing with it
# [22:49] <bot-t> BrianBlakely, How to Set Up The Right Poster Frame in YouTube - http://www.squidoo.com/youtubeframe
# [22:49] <codepo8> and here http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/simple-html5-video-encoding-with-vid-ly-interview-first-impressions-and-invite-code/
# [22:49] <zigzapca> Nice that should work
# [22:50] <BrianBlakely> YouTube supports this ish
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# [22:50] <codepo8> but it would stll have the play button over it I guess
# [22:50] <codepo8> and ads :)
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# [22:52] <codepo8> paul_irish: nice idea
# [22:53] <codepo8> OK, here are the slides and audio of our talk about html5 at FOSDEM yesterday: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/simple-html5-video-encoding-with-vid-ly-interview-first-impressions-and-invite-code/
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# [22:53] <codepo8> I was scared actually - that was some intense audience :
# [22:53] <codepo8> :)
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# [22:54] <tw2113> i'll check it later with my hacks feed at home
# [22:54] <BrianBlakely> I don't think http://svgboilerplate.com/ ever got off the ground :(
# [22:55] <franksalim> paul_irish: did you just register the domain?
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# [22:55] <codepo8> I should be annoyed that Chrome got out with WebGL support in the full version first but as a open web guy I am all ^_^ about it
# [22:55] <paul_irish> franksalim: i did.
# [22:56] <paul_irish> i'll donate the domain if someone beats me to making the actual site
# [22:56] <franksalim> paul_irish: what are your thoughts on GLGE or other libraries?
# [22:57] <BrianBlakely> vid.ly seems like it could go away in a year, and a lot of web video would be high and dry
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# [22:57] <paul_irish> franksalim: i think its pretty much neccessary to be using a library for webgl. dealing with the primitives is just.. too low level to make anything fun.
# [22:57] <codepo8> 3.js?
# [22:57] <paul_irish> ++
# [22:57] <BrianBlakely> franksalim: three.js looks like it can do for WebGL what Raphaël has done for SVG
# [22:58] <codepo8> yeah, that
# [22:58] <paul_irish> three.js also outputs to SVG, fwiw.
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# [22:58] <shepazu> interesting
# [22:58] <paul_irish> (and canvas 2d)
# [22:58] <BrianBlakely> I did no know it could do SVG
# [22:58] <BrianBlakely> Pretty hottttttt
# [22:58] <jetienne> none of them got good doc tho
# [22:58] <codepo8> BrianBlakely: we'll see about this. I pestered some poor Facebook guy at the conference that they should offer something like that for every upload
# [22:59] <codepo8> re vid.ly
# [22:59] <codepo8> as vid.ly stores on s3 I also backup to my account there
# [23:00] <tw2113> technically any service could go away kind of quick
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# [23:00] <codepo8> well the BBC are about to kill a truckload of good content
# [23:00] <tw2113> i'm slightly hesitent to use yql due to yahoo woes overall, but i doubt it'd go that fast
# [23:00] <codepo8> really sad
# [23:00] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: I'm surprised YouTube hasn't taken this approach to some extent already (but their HTML player does kind of stink...)
# [23:01] <codepo8> youtube just started to make money I'd wager
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# [23:01] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/temp/three.js/examples/uqbiquity_test.html canvas on the left, svg in the middle.. webgl is busted ATM /cc shepazu
# [23:02] <tw2113> youtube is making money from vivo and all the ads
# [23:02] <tw2113> and yet i yern for the old days
# [23:02] <shepazu> codepo8: what's this about BBC?
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# [23:02] <tw2113> i wonder how much vimeo has for music videos
# [23:03] <Dorward> shepazu: http://adactio.com/journal/4336/
# [23:03] <tw2113> or if it's more catered to the creative types making their own
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# [23:03] <franksalim> so how much additional boilerplate is necessary for webgl, especially if you start with a library? my guess is not very much...
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# [23:03] <paul_irish> truth. not too much
# [23:04] * key is listening to Sonic Youth - Sugar Kane
# [23:04] <tw2113> +1 key
# [23:04] <codepo8> shepazu: http://853blog.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/pulling-the-plug-on-the-bbcs-internet-history/
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# [23:04] <shepazu> oh, that's a crockload of utter bullshit!
# [23:05] <key> tw2113: ooo, another SY fan?
# [23:05] <tw2113> yup
# [23:05] <key> damn, i knew i had a good feeling about you
# [23:05] <codepo8> jeremy keith is all in tethers about it http://adactio.com/journal/4336/
# [23:05] <tw2113> but lets stay on topic :D
# [23:05] <key> this channel rocks. reminds me of the good ol' days back on EFnet
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# [23:05] <key> we can still be human bro, c'mon ;)
# [23:05] <tw2113> but if you must, PM works
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# [23:05] <Dorward> codepo8: I find myself agreeing with Jermey Keith more and more these days.
# [23:05] <key> it's Sonic Youth, after all. :P
# [23:05] <codepo8> and the guardian have this list of soon dead sites: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/24/bbc-online-website-closures
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# [23:05] <shepazu> christ, we are going dark... less will be preserved from this digital era than from the analog era of photos and books
# [23:05] <codepo8> Dorward: yeah I lked this post
# [23:06] <tw2113> plug pulling without much warning and no backing up, is just wrong
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# [23:06] <codepo8> none of that content is big
# [23:06] <key> shepazu, *nod*. it's sad
# [23:06] <codepo8> but they can't just offer it for download I guess
# [23:07] <codepo8> which would be the prudent thing to do
# [23:07] <key> why would they even take down content?
# [23:07] <tw2113> send it to archive.org
# [23:07] <codepo8> or to donate it to archive.org
# [23:07] <key> why not just .. exactly
# [23:07] <codepo8> hehe
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# [23:07] <key> hehe
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# [23:07] <tw2113> make paul host it
# [23:07] <tw2113> *grin*
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# [23:07] <shepazu> maybe I'll ask TimBL to get them to rethink that
# [23:08] <shepazu> BBC is a W3C member, after all
# [23:08] <key> they should just move it to archive.bbc.co.uk
# [23:08] <BrianBlakely> We need something for the Web akin to America's Library of Congress
# [23:08] <codepo8> I guess that was the main issue with geocities, too - technically yahoo was not allowed to just give someone else the content without written permission by the original author
# [23:08] <key> BrianBlakely: agreed. like archive.org or waybackmachine on super crack
# [23:08] <codepo8> and finding those people would be quite a task :)
# [23:08] * key misses geocities, angelfire, etc
# [23:08] <BrianBlakely> Keep the servers in Sweden, next to every known plant seed or fruit :P
# [23:08] <key> all those shitty web sites with under construction animated gifs warms my heart
# [23:09] <codepo8> BrianBlakely: it is not about the content storage - it is as always about ownership, IP and content permission.
# [23:09] <franksalim> so we need a much shorter copyright term for orphan works
# [23:09] <key> we need to dissolve abstract IP, which has no proper place
# [23:09] <key> ie, software patents
# [23:09] <codepo8> then again 0-day killed retention in the scene that knows how to get fast and huge servers, too :)
# [23:09] <tw2113> +1 for shorter copyright, the american term length is ridiculous
# [23:09] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: Screw that, let's break the law
# [23:09] <key> 3 cheers for 0-day
# [23:10] <key> you guys are gonna make me weep with all this reminissing
# [23:10] <codepo8> let's set up bbc.tumblr.com and get copying
# [23:10] <codepo8> :)
# [23:10] <codepo8> oh then it would be offline again
# [23:10] <tw2113> ha
# [23:10] <tw2113> i still love this http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/09apr/xuf012626.gif
# [23:11] <codepo8> it is pretty interesting - can I get the archive of all my tweets still?
# [23:11] <key> ha
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# [23:11] <codepo8> I think there was a date limit or something
# [23:11] <tw2113> i know facebook allows archiving
# [23:11] <tw2113> i got mine all the way back to 2005
# [23:11] <codepo8> The other day I had a friend and her kid over
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# [23:12] <codepo8> the kid (and actually me) was amazed that none of my 5 computers were set up to play farmville on it
# [23:12] <codepo8> :)
# [23:13] <tw2113> you have too much else to do obviously
# [23:13] <tw2113> and not much spare money to use on rotting strawberries
# [23:13] <franksalim> paul_irish: maybe webglboilerplate would provide a project skeleton with models, textures, scripts, etc?
# [23:15] <jetienne> codepo8: twitter limits the amount of tweet available to the last 3500 tweets or so
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# [23:15] <paul_irish> perhaps... i'm not sure yet. i want to be able to handle when the viewing browser doesnt support webgl.. and what to do there... but also getting a webgl context.. using requestAnimationFrame..
# [23:15] <codepo8> so seeing that I have 25963 that is pretty pish service
# [23:16] <franksalim> what you can display when the browser doesn't have webgl will be very limited
# [23:16] <franksalim> three.js works well enough when transforming simple colored polygons
# [23:16] <franksalim> but there is only so much you can reasonably do with a 2d canvas
# [23:17] <franksalim> (of course, you can provide alternative content)
# [23:17] <codepo8> Damn, slideshare's image converter is still buggered.
# [23:17] <codepo8> video?
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# [23:17] <codepo8> that seems to be some very odd configuration thing going on
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# [23:17] <codepo8> http://cdn.m.slideshare.com/convert.php?file=moving-to-the-client-110205034857-phpapp01-slide-1.jpg
# [23:17] <codepo8> = JPG
# [23:17] <codepo8> http://cdn.m.slideshare.com/convert.php?file=moving-to-the-client-110205034857-phpapp01-slide-1.jpg&big
# [23:18] <codepo8> = the PHP script
# [23:18] <codepo8> not good
# [23:20] <paul_irish> nimbupani: you interested in working on get.webgl.org ?
# [23:20] <nimbupani> in wat way paul_irish?
# [23:20] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: we need a hosted (dropbox public) version of yr jshint
# [23:21] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://paulirish.com/i/2430.png
# [23:21] <codepo8> nimbu eye for the paul guy
# [23:21] <codepo8> I agree with this being a good plan
# [23:22] <nimbupani> o neet sure paul_irish
# [23:22] <nimbupani> i guess a simple page would do
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# [23:23] <tw2113> how rude, i posted codepo8's video presentation for reasons to be cheerful on reddit, and someone downvoted it
# [23:23] <tw2113> bastards they shall burn
# [23:23] <codepo8> nah, be a real designer of 2011 - add at least 12MB of web fonts :)
# [23:23] <codepo8> Oh since when did the google font stack get so many more fonts
# [23:23] <codepo8> yum
# [23:24] <tw2113> add fonts for each browser, since they all support different font types
# [23:24] <tw2113> add 4 different styles for each one
# [23:24] <tw2113> so that you have 16-20 font files on the server
# [23:24] <paul_irish> yeah it keeps trucking.. they're on twitter now too @googlefonts
# [23:24] <tw2113> need to support as many characters as you can
# [23:24] <tw2113> and use each one at least once in the site
# [23:25] <codepo8> some are just painful
# [23:25] <codepo8> but I guess the geocities style has to live on
# [23:25] <tw2113> ha, if the BEP's can't be good when verbal, perhaps their wikipedia page can be decent
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# [23:26] <tw2113> i still think that sobriety ruined Slash
# [23:26] <tw2113> 25 years ago he wouldn't have done that
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# [23:26] <svenlito> codepo8: dude, i might come and say hi tomorrow
# [23:27] <codepo8> at the london ajax thing
# [23:27] <codepo8> ?
# [23:27] <svenlito> yea
# [23:27] <svenlito> or the pub
# [23:27] <codepo8> Oh, yes, I have to finish that second talk
# [23:27] <codepo8> :)
# [23:27] <codepo8> good reminder
# [23:27] <svenlito> und, los.
# [23:28] <codepo8> OK, I just really misread this post: Former Microsoft tech fellow Brad Lovering to open R&D office for Splunk (Mary Jo Foley/All about Microsoft Blog)
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# [23:30] <svenlito> what did it say?
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# [23:31] <tw2113> I can imagine a lot of the stuff that microsoft puts out channels hidden messages like the movie "They Live" does
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# [23:32] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what for?
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# [23:33] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: so i can see it. i dont get excited about fixing stuff unless it has a URL
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# [23:36] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, rename the repo to jshint.github.com and you will see it on jshint.github.com :)
# [23:36] <antonkovalyov> or i can put it on my server later
# [23:36] <paul_irish> patch waiting with calc(), min() and max() for css in webkit !! https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16662#c29
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# [23:38] <codepo8> YES
# [23:38] <codepo8> calc() FTW
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# [23:49] <BrianBlakely> How many people run Blackberry OS 6 right now?
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# [23:56] <nimbupani> paul_irish: you never mention me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM37XKkmKQ&feature=player_embedded :'(
# [23:57] <tw2113> how rude!
# [23:57] <nimbupani> SO MUCH
# [23:58] <snover> nimbupani: you got shout out on yayquery!!!1
# [23:58] <nimbupani> AND AGAIN NOT FROM paul_irish!!!
# [23:58] * nimbupani is angry
# [23:58] <paul_irish> what are you talking about
# [23:58] <tw2113> paul needs to start listing nimbupani first in any boilerplate talks he gives
# [23:58] <paul_irish> i totally do
# [23:58] <tw2113> :D
# [23:58] <nimbupani> NO WAIZ
# [23:59] <nimbupani> i like skip watched for 30 mins!
# [23:59] <key> hey all, so i've been reading the html 5 spec and re sectioning/container tags, would i use a section for the content of a corp web site page?
# [23:59] <nimbupani> i see no mention!
# [23:59] <paul_irish> :(
# [23:59] <key> i wouldn't use article, as the 'header' is replaced with the site menu (nav)
# [23:59] <nimbupani> shichuan also gets a mention!
# [23:59] <key> but i'm curious how to logically partition the content of the page from the rest of it
# [23:59] <nimbupani> NOT ME!
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