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  1. # Session Start: Sat Feb 12 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:01] <franksalim> andrewjbaker: are you then calling ctx.putImageData(data) where data is the value you return?
  4. # [00:02] <franksalim> or something similar?
  5. # [00:02] <andrewjbaker> Nope. I take the data that's returned, and extract the red, green, and blue components that are then used as a fill color for a call to fillRect().
  6. # [00:03] <andrewjbaker> Maybe I could try returning an object { red: data[0], green: data[1], blue: data[2] }?
  7. # [00:03] <franksalim> worth a shot
  8. # [00:06] <andrewjbaker> That works.
  9. # [00:07] <andrewjbaker> Might have a screenshot for you in a min.
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  13. # [00:11] <andrewjbaker> Well it defo works, but it's slower than a slow thing held back by an even slower thing... :-p
  14. # [00:12] <andrewjbaker> http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2803/landscaperenderer16.png
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  16. # [00:15] <franksalim> looks awesome
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  18. # [00:16] <andrewjbaker> Looks awesome, needs optimising tho'. :-s
  19. # [00:17] <andrewjbaker> I'm going to blend the reflected sky pixel colour with the colour of the corresponding underlying terrain colormap maybe 50/50 so it'll look less harsh and more transparent.
  20. # [00:17] <andrewjbaker> Not yet tho'. Need to get it running faster first.
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  29. # [00:33] <grantg> Uninstalling dictator ... 99% complete ███████████████████████████░ -ERROR-
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  31. # [00:35] <paul_irish> grant is tweeting to IRC now ;)
  32. # [00:36] <grantg> yup
  33. # [00:36] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  34. # [00:37] <grantg> paul_irish: http://www.reddit.com/search?q=uninstalling+dictator
  35. # [00:37] <grantg> That's why "the reddit is too damn slow"
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  37. # [00:39] <Neiluj> http://ontwik.com/css/senchacon-sass-the-next-wave-in-styling-and-theming/ love it
  38. # [00:39] <chriseppstein> fucking ontwik
  39. # [00:39] <chriseppstein> scrapers
  40. # [00:40] <chriseppstein> vimeo should make pretty urls :)
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  42. # [00:41] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: anyways. glad you liked it
  43. # [00:41] <chriseppstein> sorry for not repeating the questions... the room was quite small and I didn't realize they didn't have a room mic
  44. # [00:41] <Neiluj> chriseppstein: you're giving me arguments to fight against some reticent team members I have...
  45. # [00:42] <Neiluj> not yet finished, don't spoil me :p
  46. # [00:43] <Neiluj> I totally agree when you said CSS sucks, I don't get why people accepts to repeat themselves with CSS and not elsewhere... this is really weird
  47. # [00:43] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: worst case, you throw out sass and compass and keep the css
  48. # [00:43] <chriseppstein> Of course, like 1 week after this talk, the W3C announced their adding all kinds of new syntax to css
  49. # [00:44] <Neiluj> :) yeah heard of that hehe
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  54. # [00:57] <Neiluj> damn... image-url().... you're a god...
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  63. # [01:10] <Neiluj> chriseppstein: finished, learnt a lot, thanks and good work :)
  64. # [01:10] <chriseppstein> :)
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  66. # [01:11] <Neiluj> I hope I'll succeed to convince my people, I'm not the only one doing CSS here sadly
  67. # [01:12] <chriseppstein> it's maddening how hard it is to convince people to try things sometimes
  68. # [01:12] <Neiluj> hopefully there's some projects I'm working on alone, so I can choose the tools I want
  69. # [01:13] <Neiluj> yeah...
  70. # [01:13] <Neiluj> like I said, there's a lot of good and big arguments in your talk, I'll steal it :)
  71. # [01:13] <chriseppstein> I'm our "architect" so I generally get to decide such things
  72. # [01:13] <chriseppstein> of course, I get to live with those decisions.
  73. # [01:14] <chriseppstein> some are better than others :)
  74. # [01:14] <Neiluj> my "architect" is also my boss and doesn't do css but he always got to decided and don't really debate on things...
  75. # [01:14] <chriseppstein> ah. yes. Well I don't think architect and boss should be combined
  76. # [01:15] <Neiluj> hehe ;) we're a really small team and there are 3 associates here ;)
  77. # [01:15] <chriseppstein> and I will debate for quite some time
  78. # [01:15] <chriseppstein> )
  79. # [01:15] <chriseppstein> :)
  80. # [01:15] <chriseppstein> my team = 4 eng
  81. # [01:16] <Neiluj> his main, and silly, argument is like "new things are created everyday, we can't choose one if we don't know it will stay for years blablabla"
  82. # [01:17] <Neiluj> we're 3, and he's one of them :D
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  84. # [01:18] <Neiluj> the third one is our "integrator" (dont know if the word is good in english) he's doing only HTML/CSS
  85. # [01:20] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: that argument my work for less or stylus. their maintainers are all over the place
  86. # [01:20] <Neiluj> anyway, I just think they didn't understand what it's really about and try to make a little talk to clear this up, efficiency is really a problem
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  88. # [01:21] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: try this: I'
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  91. # [01:21] <chriseppstein> I'm going to use it... happy to teach you about it if you want to learn. Fire me if you want
  92. # [01:21] <chriseppstein> :)
  93. # [01:21] <chriseppstein> at least it works for me
  94. # [01:21] <Neiluj> try what? didn't get :)
  95. # [01:22] <Neiluj> I' ?
  96. # [01:22] <chriseppstein> I'm going to use it... happy to teach you about it if you want to learn. Fire me if you want
  97. # [01:22] <Neiluj> oh :) yeah, that's almost what I said
  98. # [01:22] * andrewjbaker thinks Neiluj's boss and chriseppstein should have a lil' chat.^^
  99. # [01:23] <Neiluj> :D
  100. # [01:23] <chriseppstein> sure. send him to me
  101. # [01:23] <Neiluj> ok but wait before saying "css sucks" :D
  102. # [01:23] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  103. # [01:24] <Neiluj> actually I'm already using sass after our junior made his work, thanks to sass-convert ...
  104. # [01:25] <Neiluj> but I'll go to the next step with compass on my next project, I'm pretty sure I won't lose my time
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  106. # [01:25] <chriseppstein> let me know if they give you any guff
  107. # [01:25] <chriseppstein> :D
  108. # [01:26] <Neiluj> :D
  109. # [01:28] <Neiluj> don't want to tell all of my life but I was hired only 5 months ago, they really wanted me and they need me and like me, so I can say "hey, that's how I want to work, that's why you hire me" but I don't want to force anybody, like you said "don't use something you don't like" ;)
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  113. # [01:29] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: It is important to be careful about what projects you adopt
  114. # [01:29] <Neiluj> so I'm showing some pieces of awesomeness time to time, just learned the grid thing with your talk, this should be a attractive one
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  117. # [01:32] <Neiluj> chriseppstein: indeed, that's something I like in my work : choose good, effective and sustainable solutions for our day to day problems
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  119. # [01:34] <Neiluj> chriseppstein: I got a question about color theming
  120. # [01:35] <chriseppstein> ?
  121. # [01:35] <Neiluj> is it possible to say something like this, correct me if my syntax is wrong :
  122. # [01:35] <Neiluj> a { color: red; }
  123. # [01:35] <Neiluj> a:hover { color: lighten( this? color, 10%); }
  124. # [01:35] <Neiluj> so even if a color is overwritten, the lighten will still work
  125. # [01:35] <chriseppstein> no
  126. # [01:35] <Neiluj> ok
  127. # [01:36] <chriseppstein> extract a variable
  128. # [01:36] <Neiluj> so it has to be defined for every cases
  129. # [01:36] <Neiluj> ok
  130. # [01:36] <Neiluj> ok but what if I want it to be dynamic, like every hover has the same behavior
  131. # [01:36] <chriseppstein> right. the document structure is needed to decide what is "current"
  132. # [01:37] <chriseppstein> make a mixin
  133. # [01:37] <Neiluj> ok :)
  134. # [01:37] <chriseppstein> or a base class and extend it
  135. # [01:37] <Neiluj> nice :)
  136. # [01:37] <Neiluj> I see, that's very nice
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  140. # [01:45] <paul_irish> w3fools are cooking up something new :)
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  143. # [01:49] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: >_> don't tease
  144. # [01:49] <paul_irish> ill share with you in private.
  145. # [01:50] <chriseppstein> go pvt bb?
  146. # [01:50] <paul_irish> pvt sexychat
  147. # [01:50] <andrewjbaker> ^^
  148. # [01:51] <Neiluj> oh I want to know too :(
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  150. # [01:58] <chriseppstein> Neiluj: this will be bigger than lolcats and goatse combined
  151. # [01:59] <Neiluj> dont tease :)
  152. # [02:00] <chriseppstein> I expect celebrations in Egypt
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  154. # [02:01] <paul_irish> very likely.
  155. # [02:01] <chriseppstein> those egyptions: very into web development.
  156. # [02:01] <chriseppstein> I can't spell
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  176. # [02:48] <paul_irish> ?mdc length units
  177. # [02:48] <bot-t> paul_irish, length - Many CSS properties take <length> values, such as width , margin , padding , font-size , border-width , text-shadow etc. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/length
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  210. # [04:28] <WRA> having trouble with canvas.getContext('2d'); in IE9 where canvas is a canvas object
  211. # [04:29] <WRA> it always says it doesn't have getContext
  212. # [04:31] <WRA> same code works in FF3/4, Chrome
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  216. # [04:47] <paul_irish> WRA: X-UA-Compatible
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  222. # [05:44] <tw2113> perfect timing thatryan http://fukung.net/v/20121/3250717522e7e290b1fa43e1483b12d2.jpg
  223. # [05:44] <thatryan> lol awesome
  224. # [05:55] <Neiluj> I love pushing into production a saturday morning at 6AM...
  225. # [05:56] <Neiluj> almost when 200K people will receive a newsletter to visit a website nobody tested...
  226. # [05:57] <LongBeach> which site
  227. # [05:58] <Neiluj> guetta's -_-°
  228. # [05:58] <LongBeach> ?
  229. # [05:58] <Neiluj> david guetta's -_-°
  230. # [06:00] <Neiluj> this site is a fail, I am so sad about it
  231. # [06:00] <LongBeach> yes it is
  232. # [06:00] <LongBeach> he paid for it ?
  233. # [06:00] <Neiluj> of course ! but enough
  234. # [06:00] <Neiluj> +not+ enough
  235. # [06:01] <LongBeach> i know a good attorny who can help him sue your company
  236. # [06:01] <LongBeach> :p
  237. # [06:01] <Neiluj> :) did you see the good website ? :D
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  239. # [06:01] <LongBeach> yes, first result in the google
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  241. # [06:02] <Neiluj> his team guys suck so hard, the design was good originally
  242. # [06:03] <LongBeach> it's crap, you just want to get out of the site once it's loaded
  243. # [06:04] <Neiluj> well, be easy, I coded it anyway :D
  244. # [06:04] <Neiluj> it was enough painful for me :P
  245. # [06:04] <Neiluj> I could do so much better but the project was already 6 months late before I started...
  246. # [06:05] <LongBeach> at least you did a good work with the SEO
  247. # [06:05] <LongBeach> :p
  248. # [06:05] <Neiluj> not at all...
  249. # [06:06] <LongBeach> first result in the google
  250. # [06:06] <Neiluj> well, he's famous...
  251. # [06:06] <Neiluj> I couldn't change the specs, no pagination, no hand on the data behind, no correction on misconception...
  252. # [06:06] <Neiluj> his website was flash before, he was already #1 result ;)
  253. # [06:07] <Neiluj> I need to do ugly things to make the DOM "lighter" ...
  254. # [06:07] <Neiluj> needed
  255. # [06:08] <Neiluj> it was a punishment
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  257. # [06:09] <LongBeach> I see 4 columns, it's not very cool. And there is a contrast between the yellow flashy big column and then the 2 small ones on the right.
  258. # [06:09] <LongBeach> Too much stuff to read on the right
  259. # [06:10] <LongBeach> that's a first impression i can give you
  260. # [06:10] <Neiluj> yeah I know, I know... got the same thoughts... and more and more ;)
  261. # [06:11] <Neiluj> got to work on a specific version for mobile devices, iPad result should be cooler
  262. # [06:11] <Neiluj> the big visual on the main column... there are more if you scroll, they can push new ones how they want...
  263. # [06:11] <Neiluj> that's risky...
  264. # [06:12] <LongBeach> let me check it on my iPad now, i'll tell you
  265. # [06:12] <Neiluj> oh no don't :D
  266. # [06:12] <Neiluj> it's not compatible at all...
  267. # [06:12] <LongBeach> lol
  268. # [06:12] <Neiluj> this website is totally experimental and designed for desktop uses
  269. # [06:13] <Neiluj> scroll...
  270. # [06:13] <LongBeach> it redirects to http://m.daviguetta.com
  271. # [06:13] <Neiluj> yep
  272. # [06:13] <Neiluj> didn't do this one
  273. # [06:13] <LongBeach> it looks unfinished
  274. # [06:13] <LongBeach> and crap too
  275. # [06:13] <Neiluj> yeah because those suckers don't know how to wait
  276. # [06:14] <Neiluj> I said thousand times "it's not finished yet, it's full of bug" "we don't care, we need it naaao"
  277. # [06:16] <LongBeach> it's a good example of what not to do
  278. # [06:16] <LongBeach> :p
  279. # [06:16] <Neiluj> in term of UI, sure
  280. # [06:17] <Neiluj> thing is there's some piece of good code inside :(
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  317. # [08:40] <jetienne> safari got websocket or not ? what is its stance on the security issue
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  319. # [08:42] <niftylettuce> :S
  320. # [08:42] <niftylettuce> xonecas: alo thar
  321. # [08:42] <niftylettuce> ew not here
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  427. # [14:44] <ron_frown> I wish for the love of God, that chrome had anything remotely close to usable/functional as firebug (and not talking firebug lite)
  428. # [14:44] <ron_frown> because firefox is completely worthless to me aside from that
  429. # [14:45] <Moo-_> ron_frown: I actually decided to switch back to Firefox from Chrome today
  430. # [14:45] <Moo-_> the latest FF4 is faaast
  431. # [14:45] <Moo-_> faster than chrome for me
  432. # [14:45] <ron_frown> it was never really a problem with speed
  433. # [14:46] <ron_frown> just starting, reliability etc
  434. # [14:46] <ron_frown> I am sure some of that is because of the extension stuff it provides and probably bad extensions
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  439. # [14:55] <Moo-_> ron_frown: also, the new spinner icon of FF4 rocks
  440. # [14:55] <Moo-_> I see evolution taking there
  441. # [14:55] <Moo-_> it is the most critical animation of the future
  442. # [14:55] <Moo-_> also pop-ups are more friendly
  443. # [14:55] <Moo-_> no dialogs
  444. # [14:55] <Moo-_> nor push the page slide downs
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  449. # [15:01] <Pewpewarrows> ron_frown: I switched to the chrome dev tools a while back, I find them better than firebug right now
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  451. # [15:07] <jpin> way better...
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  455. # [15:17] <ron_frown> he stuff thats built in?
  456. # [15:17] <ron_frown> the js debugger is much more reliable with hitting breakpoints
  457. # [15:17] <ron_frown> I dont know... I find them to be better, just not organized well enough
  458. # [15:17] <ron_frown> or maybe I am just not used to them yet
  459. # [15:20] <Pewpewarrows> might just take a few uses to get used to how its organized compared to ff
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  467. # [16:15] <mokush> does chrome handle cors requests differently from minefield? the exact same cors request works in chrome, but not in ff4.
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  480. # [16:57] <mokush> paul_irish: are you around dude?
  481. # [16:58] <paul_irish> oddly i am.
  482. # [16:58] <paul_irish> but i dunno about yr cors question
  483. # [16:58] <mokush> paul_irish: just wanted to know if chrome sends the options request, like in the spec?
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  485. # [16:59] <mokush> for rest methods like delete, put, etc
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  498. # [17:37] <paul_irish> http://shakenandstirredweb.com/playground/blur/ hit the n key
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  500. # [17:38] <jpin> nice
  501. # [17:39] <jpin> -webkit-transform is this going to html5?
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  503. # [17:42] <jpin> I wonder if that background could be done with css
  504. # [17:42] <jpin> bg.png
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  510. # [18:05] <paul_irish> jpin: yup the bg could be a css gradient. and 2d transforms are going into css3 yeah
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  512. # [18:09] <jpin> paul_irish: nice, thanks
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  515. # [18:13] <paul_irish> jpin: and "css3 is not part of html5" :)
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  517. # [18:15] <jpin> paul_irish: hm, didn't knew that. css and html run always together anyway.. will be hard to see fully compatible html5 without modern css as well
  518. # [18:16] <paul_irish> haha i agree. :)
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  524. # [18:36] <serio_> oh hai
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  526. # [18:38] <paul_irish> hai rufio
  527. # [18:41] <mokush> paul_irish: it seems like a chrome issue, the cors thing. because chrome(actualy webkit, 'cuz it's the same behaviour in safari) seems to make the request(delete, put, etc.) even if the preflighted options request returns 405(ex)
  528. # [18:41] <paul_irish> ?405
  529. # [18:41] <bot-t> Method Not Allowed
  530. # [18:53] <paul_irish> .
  531. # [18:53] <paul_irish> RT @w3fools: We've helped make testing IE6, IE7, and IE8 suck a little bit less: http://www.iecss.com/spoon
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  533. # [18:55] <mokush> paul_irish: hell yeah
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  535. # [18:58] <mokush> paul_irish: who made the awsome voiceover?
  536. # [18:58] <paul_irish> jonathan neal did.
  537. # [19:00] <mokush> great stuff
  538. # [19:00] <jpin> actually, I think people need to stop trying to develop for ie6 anyways... beats me why some are trying to do it
  539. # [19:01] <snover> good point
  540. # [19:01] <snover> paul_irish: should remove IE6 one :P
  541. # [19:01] <svenlito> paul_irish:
  542. # [19:01] <svenlito> content="width=device-width; initial-scale=1"
  543. # [19:01] <svenlito> width or without ';' ?
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  545. # [19:01] <svenlito> i know there was a thread on it somewhere.. cant find it..
  546. # [19:02] <paul_irish> svenlito: use commas.
  547. # [19:02] <paul_irish> ; cause chrome to bitch
  548. # [19:02] <svenlito> yeah thats what im saying, but i need to sort of back it up
  549. # [19:02] <svenlito> chrome says it igrnore content right
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  551. # [19:06] <paul_irish> svenlito:https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/commit/a9e055cf3893d95cfb04e936ff2a95fef8d73eac
  552. # [19:07] <svenlito> paul_irish: thx!
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  564. # [19:36] <Pewpewarrows> Re: http://www.iecss.com/spoon, I love all of you guys. Now I can finally delete these 12 VMs that I have to reinstall twice a year :)
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  575. # [20:28] <haitiankid4lyf> any dreamweaver users out here?
  576. # [20:31] <paul_irish> it's not *too* popular in these parts.
  577. # [20:32] <haitiankid4lyf> figured as much
  578. # [20:32] <haitiankid4lyf> doing a school project and teacher says we should get familiar with it
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  580. # [20:33] <haitiankid4lyf> its pretty simple but just wanted to know if there was a shortcut to commiting files to repository, like there is for checking in
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  594. # [22:09] <paul_irish> http://www.frameratefest.com/
  595. # [22:09] <paul_irish> by msft
  596. # [22:14] <jetienne_> "to experience the beauty of the web, download ie9"
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  598. # [22:27] <jpin> really slow on chrome9
  599. # [22:27] <jpin> that site must be optimized for directx
  600. # [22:27] <jpin> i mean, for ie with directx rendering
  601. # [22:29] <symb> works fine in ff4 b11
  602. # [22:29] <jetienne_> hw accelerated 2D will be nice for games
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  604. # [22:29] <symb> ok some frame drops ;)
  605. # [22:29] <jpin> debian linux, ati, chrome 9 = 0 fps
  606. # [22:30] <jpin> = 7 fps
  607. # [22:30] <jetienne_> i got 12fps on a linux cheap netbook :)
  608. # [22:30] <jpin> full screen?
  609. # [22:30] <jpin> 2ghz, 2g ram here
  610. # [22:30] <jpin> 1 core
  611. # [22:31] <jetienne_> maximized. maybe my screen is small.
  612. # [22:31] <jpin> 17 here
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  614. # [22:31] <jetienne_> im sure my desktop crush that :) exactly as with webgl
  615. # [22:32] <jetienne_> normal for ms to have their own chromeexperiment
  616. # [22:32] <jetienne_> even apple got one
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