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  1. # Session Start: Sat Feb 19 00:00:00 2011
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  13. # [00:21] <grantg> paul_irish: I made my own audio resampler in javascript
  14. # [00:21] <paul_irish> o rly
  15. # [00:22] <grantg> just to get around the lack of being able to specify your own sample rate to webkit's web audio
  16. # [00:22] <grantg> It's a fast low-accuracy resampler
  17. # [00:22] <grantg> hold on
  18. # [00:22] * grantg needs to update GameBoy Online's github repo
  19. # [00:24] <grantg> GameBoyIO.js has the resampler update in this commit: https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/aeec0bb59a595395d0332a4c335b147cca55afdb
  20. # [00:24] <grantg> w00t
  21. # [00:24] <grantg> I couldn't wait for crogers to make a resampler in web audio itself, so I did my own in js. heheheh
  22. # [00:25] <grantg> It only downsamples right now
  23. # [00:25] <grantg> which is what I needed
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  25. # [00:27] <grantg> paul_irish: Two resamplers - one for mono, another for stereo
  26. # [00:30] <grantg> I'm getting pretty good sound from it
  27. # [00:30] <grantg> So it's working definitely. :D
  28. # [00:30] <grantg> paul_irish: And that's from resampling 70 khz audio down to 44.1 khz audio in js real-time with cpu to spare. :)
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  32. # [00:33] <tw2113> paul_irish, you'd know...where can i find a list of bugs/"bugs" with chrome?
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  35. # [00:34] <tw2113> i have a case of setting a section to opacity: 0 and transitioning to opacity: 1 but as the page loads, i see the transition to 0
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  41. # [00:40] <paul_irish> tw2113: thats just how transitions work.. css transitions right?
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  46. # [00:51] <tw2113> yeah
  47. # [00:51] <tw2113> we may just live with it like we get to with firefox font flickering
  48. # [00:52] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, $0 in web inspector is fucking amazin
  49. # [00:52] <antonkovalyov> amazing*
  50. # [00:52] <antonkovalyov> btw do you know what is that? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/06b47sdv6064.png
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  60. # [01:08] <markthema3> how do you make an image appear above a canvas element? the picture is randomly selected by a php script.
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  65. # [01:19] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i have trouble figuring out those parse error messages.
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  67. # [01:19] <cheilmann> blimey - ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/
  68. # [01:20] <cheilmann> all the adobe software on one FTP
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  76. # [01:31] <grantg> paul_irish: check the log message - https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/407164b1cdcd35b8ab97a6a7b40d7d1df4ee0e6c
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  78. # [01:32] <grantg> ;D
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  82. # [01:35] <paul_irish> hahah
  83. # [01:36] <grantg> so now it sounds 99% like mozAudio
  84. # [01:36] <grantg> I'm just implementing my own low-quality resampler instead of having firefox resample it for me with a much more intensive algo.
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  86. # [01:39] <grantg> in this case I tune my internal sample rate to 88200 HZ
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  90. # [01:39] <grantg> a multiple of the one webkit web audio gives (44.1 khz)
  91. # [01:39] <grantg> so two samples always make up one output sample
  92. # [01:41] * danheberden|away is now known as danheberden
  93. # [01:42] <grantg> or in mac os x audio lingo: I'm combining two sample frames for the specified audio channel into one via a simple averaging.
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  98. # [01:50] <grantg> paul_irish: A chrome question
  99. # [01:50] <grantg> I keep getting "error 12" every time I try to apply an update
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  101. # [01:51] <grantg> chrome won't let me update it
  102. # [01:51] <grantg> :/
  103. # [01:52] <paul_irish> yeah
  104. # [01:52] <paul_irish> i'm not sure whats up with that
  105. # [01:52] <grantg> :(
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  108. # [01:54] <grantg> alao
  109. # [01:54] <grantg> *also
  110. # [01:55] <grantg> I forgot to mention I re-implemented the GameBoy Color I/O register 0xFF24
  111. # [01:55] <grantg> aka NR50
  112. # [01:56] <grantg> so there's post volume adjustment now
  113. # [01:56] * grantg needs to fix the popping noise between the volume changes.
  114. # [01:57] <grantg> (you'll hear this popping in the pokemon games when the soundtrack changes and leads into another)
  115. # [02:00] <grantg> paul_irish: Actually this "bug" isn't 100%, since it depends on the pulse wave non-duty cycling matching the volume change instance,
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  117. # [02:02] <paul_irish> ah
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  135. # [03:10] <daveluke> what is the best way to learn impact js?
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  144. # [03:40] <daveluke> hi
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  291. # [14:40] <amix2> Hello
  292. # [14:40] <amix2> I need some help with converting flash to html5
  293. # [14:40] <amix2> i need to convert a site from flash to html5 :)
  294. # [14:43] <Moo-_> amix2: ok
  295. # [14:43] <Moo-_> amix2: what kind of help you need?
  296. # [14:43] <Evet> read actionscript, write javascript
  297. # [14:46] <amix2> Moo-_, i need to turn this site, www.mcbibelen.no to a html5 site
  298. # [14:46] <amix2> i read about Adobe releasing some tool for converting this
  299. # [14:47] <amix2> and also a open source project in this area
  300. # [14:47] <amix2> but its still not out
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  302. # [14:47] <amix2> i guess i need the .fla file and start having fun :)
  303. # [14:48] <amix2> but if there is another way, I would be very happy
  304. # [14:48] <Moo-_> amix2: I hope you understand there is no 1:1 mapping between Flash and HTML
  305. # [14:49] <Moo-_> and direct conversation is unlikely
  306. # [14:49] <amix2> Yes
  307. # [14:49] <amix2> I do understand
  308. # [14:49] <Moo-_> amix2: that site has nothing which you couldn't do with HTML4 :)
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  310. # [14:50] <amix2> Moo-_, ok.. but whats the best way of converting a flash site to html
  311. # [14:50] <amix2> what tool?
  312. # [14:50] <Moo-_> amix2: I suggest you rebuild the site with some HTML framework from the scratch
  313. # [14:50] <Moo-_> amix2: Aptana Studio is very good
  314. # [14:50] <Moo-_> if you want me to name a tool
  315. # [14:50] <Moo-_> but that's wrong approach
  316. # [14:51] <Moo-_> tool does not solve your problems if you do not understand HTML
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  318. # [14:51] <amix2> I do understand HTML
  319. # [14:51] <Moo-_> amix2: so just start crafting HTML templates :)
  320. # [14:51] <Moo-_> amix2: does the site have static content only?
  321. # [14:52] <amix2> i feel this weekend is wasted now
  322. # [14:52] <amix2> :)
  323. # [14:52] <Moo-_> amix2: or does it use some kind of content management system?
  324. # [14:52] <amix2> yes
  325. # [14:52] <Moo-_> databse?
  326. # [14:52] <amix2> no
  327. # [14:52] <amix2> just flash
  328. # [14:52] <Moo-_> ok. In that case simple PHP templates and jQuery + some effect plug-ins would be enough, I think
  329. # [14:53] <amix2> whats jQuery ?
  330. # [14:53] <Moo-_> amix2: http://jquery.com/
  331. # [14:53] <Moo-_> it makes writing javascript easy
  332. # [14:53] <Moo-_> it is the most popular javascript framework on the planet
  333. # [14:54] <amix2> i know html, but not javascript
  334. # [14:54] <Moo-_> amix2: if you want to include some effects like menus, knowing little javascript is must
  335. # [14:54] <Moo-_> amix2: I'd recommend you to get some jQuery book
  336. # [14:55] <amix2> ohh
  337. # [14:55] <amix2> i will look for it
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  340. # [14:58] <mr_daniel> Is this the right place to ask question about the canvas element and other html5 specific questions?
  341. # [14:59] <mr_daniel> If so, I build a little 'div-marker example', that is the user can mark a area on a div: http://www.webdevout.net/test?01m#output
  342. # [14:59] <mr_daniel> Just click on the div, hold the click, move it, and release it
  343. # [15:00] <mr_daniel> Everything work as expected, BUT when I include another canvas into the code, then I get a weird behavior: http://www.webdevout.net/test?01n#output
  344. # [15:00] <mr_daniel> When I move the mouse, some parts of the page get highlighted, what I don't want to happen.
  345. # [15:03] <amix2> Moo-_, i guess using wordpress might help?
  346. # [15:03] <Moo-_> amix2: that's content management system
  347. # [15:03] <Moo-_> amix2: you told all the content was static
  348. # [15:03] <amix2> supports jQuery
  349. # [15:03] <Moo-_> amix2: but yes, it would help in the sense of entering the content and editing it
  350. # [15:04] <amix2> now my problem is that i cant install hahaha
  351. # [15:04] <amix2> because ive got wrong mysql info
  352. # [15:04] <amix2> ;p
  353. # [15:04] <amix2> and its saturday
  354. # [15:05] <Moo-_> amix2: I suggest you go to wordpress help channel regarding those questions ;)
  355. # [15:05] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: webkit has code to disable selection
  356. # [15:05] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: I have tried it on mobile only
  357. # [15:05] <Moo-_> and I am not sure whether other browsers support it
  358. # [15:07] <mr_daniel> Moo-_: I think I just found the solution: e.preventDefault()
  359. # [15:07] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: you can do it by special CSS rules also
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  361. # [15:07] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: check that e.preventDefault() behaves consistently across browsers
  362. # [15:07] <Moo-_> it might have some landmines buried there
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  364. # [15:07] <mr_daniel> It seems like that the unterlying canvas is also interpreting the mouse-move event and marks itself, now it is working: http://www.webdevout.net/test?01o#output
  365. # [15:08] <mr_daniel> Moo-_: not sure, but maybe jQuery uses its own internal event-object which is cross-browser compatible?
  366. # [15:08] <mr_daniel> I'll make some tests, thanks for pointing on this Moo-_
  367. # [15:09] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: jQuery should make it happen for you
  368. # [15:09] <Moo-_> and hides all the gory details
  369. # [15:09] <mr_daniel> thats awesome :)
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  371. # [15:18] <Moo-_> mr_daniel: magic
  372. # [15:23] <amix2> Moo-_, hehe
  373. # [15:23] <amix2> thanks for the help
  374. # [15:23] <Moo-_> amix2: no problem
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  424. # [19:39] <paul_irish> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71837 wherein grantg rages.
  425. # [19:42] <snover> paul_irish: That exposes a very, very interesting behaviour of V8
  426. # [19:42] <paul_irish> it does.
  427. # [19:42] <snover> I had no idea that using the “delete” keyword would be a performance killer
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  429. # [19:43] <paul_irish> yeah that's pretty wild.
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  431. # [19:46] <cheilmann_> hmm semantic question
  432. # [19:46] <cheilmann_> a summary of an article
  433. # [19:46] <cheilmann_> could that go into a footer or another section?
  434. # [19:51] <daveluke> look what i made with impact js
  435. # [19:51] <daveluke> http://socialscorer.com/index_1.html
  436. # [19:51] <daveluke> :)
  437. # [19:52] <LongBeach> kinda slow
  438. # [19:53] <daveluke> hmm.. i don't get much lag
  439. # [19:56] <cheilmann_> html5 outliner is borked
  440. # [19:56] <cheilmann_> http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/
  441. # [19:56] <cheilmann_> meh
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  451. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish need your input here
  452. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues#issue/16
  453. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> see last comment
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  455. # [20:25] <grantg> paul_irish: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71837&q=Jit%20deoptimized&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS
  456. # [20:26] <grantg> I RAEGED
  457. # [20:27] <grantg> The JIT deoptimization was found in chro
  458. # [20:27] <grantg> It involved the delete operator
  459. # [20:27] <grantg> Chrome gets 3G slower when the delete is used on something not even relevant anymore.
  460. # [20:28] <grantg> *3 to
  461. # [20:28] <grantg> *3 times slower
  462. # [20:28] <grantg> Sorry, trying to IRC on my iPhone again
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  464. # [20:29] <grantg> tw2113: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71837&q=Jit%20deoptimized&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS
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  466. # [20:29] <tw2113> ok
  467. # [20:29] <grantg> "delete" is EVIL in googlw chro
  468. # [20:30] <grantg> Sorry for my bad typing (irc on my iPhone)
  469. # [20:31] <grantg> I smell a blog post on why delete is evil in the V8 engine
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  471. # [20:37] <grantg> More evil than evaluate
  472. # [20:37] <grantg> More evil than"
  473. # [20:37] <grantg> Damn iPhone
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  475. # [20:38] <grantg> More evil than eval(...)
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  479. # [20:52] <grantg> paulrouget: if you wanna troll V8 in the Kraken benchmark, just throw some arbitrary delete operators into it.
  480. # [20:52] <jetienne> this is ranting for real :)
  481. # [20:53] <grantg> Do the same with the V8 benchmark and sunspider and LOL as chrome gets three times worse scoring
  482. # [20:54] * grantg is calling shenanigans
  483. # [20:55] <grantg> jetienne: ^_^
  484. # [20:55] <jetienne> :)
  485. # [20:56] <snover> grantg: we were talking about it briefly earlier
  486. # [20:57] <jetienne> grantg: btw an informed post on delete for perf would be cool for all. here im thinking about node.js people too
  487. # [20:58] <grantg> Yup
  488. # [20:58] <grantg> snover: star http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=71837&q=Jit%20deoptimized&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS then
  489. # [20:59] <grantg> Upvote it until it's fixed.
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  492. # [21:04] <grantg> Now google chrome runs the entire gameboy color emulator fullspeed with less than 50% of my CPU used
  493. # [21:04] <cheilmann_> interesting
  494. # [21:04] <cheilmann_> firefox 4 renders h1 in sections smaller than in the main doc
  495. # [21:05] <snover> it would be nice for someone to change the description to “delete keyword causes massive slowdown” or something
  496. # [21:05] <grantg> Heh
  497. # [21:05] <grantg> Yeah
  498. # [21:05] <cheilmann_> Right now really adding a lot of cool semantic HTML feels so anticlimatic
  499. # [21:05] <cheilmann_> as fuck-all happens
  500. # [21:05] <grantg> Massive as in complete JIT failure in chrome
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  503. # [21:13] <paul_irish> grantg: i saw you rage. i'm on the ticket :)
  504. # [21:14] <grantg> RAEGE
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  509. # [21:20] <grantg> Gtg
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  511. # [21:22] <paul_irish> lol
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  523. # [22:05] <uf0> what's the best way to use @font-face?
  524. # [22:10] <cgcardona> dont know about best - but this tutorial is good http://blog.themeforest.net/tutorials/how-to-achieve-cross-browser-font-face-support/
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  526. # [22:11] <bonhoffer> anyone know why: http://www.crossfitadaptation.com/benefits/ isn't loading in safari? (the video isn't loading)
  527. # [22:11] <bonhoffer> is there a doctype that i am not working with?
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  531. # [22:17] * tw2113 runs away from cgcardona
  532. # [22:18] <cgcardona> i have that effect on people :)
  533. # [22:18] <tw2113> yeah but i @replied you
  534. # [22:19] <cgcardona> when?
  535. # [22:19] <tw2113> just a minute ao
  536. # [22:19] <tw2113> ago*
  537. # [22:19] <tw2113> btw +1 for that tutorial using fontsquirrel
  538. # [22:19] <cgcardona> i think seesmic is lagged or messed up - i have been missing @ replies
  539. # [22:20] <cgcardona> haha
  540. # [22:20] <cgcardona> it's lagged
  541. # [22:20] <cgcardona> right as I was typing that your trollish tweet came in :P
  542. # [22:21] <Greko> Hi tw2113, could you forward the link to me too.
  543. # [22:21] <tw2113> what link?
  544. # [22:21] <Greko> Would like to check more info regarding html5
  545. # [22:22] <Greko> +1 for that tutorial using fontsquirrel
  546. # [22:22] <tw2113> [03:06pm] <cgcardona> dont know about best - but this tutorial is good http://blog.themeforest.net/tutorials/how-to-achieve-cross-browser-font-face-support/
  547. # [22:22] <tw2113> you showed up about 5 minutes after that
  548. # [22:22] <Greko> :)
  549. # [22:23] <Greko> Indeed.
  550. # [22:23] <Greko> But I'm in HTML5 channel. I think most talks are about it here
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  552. # [22:23] <Greko> Want to keep up with it
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  555. # [22:25] <Greko> will bookmark it up
  556. # [22:28] <tw2113> wouldn't fonts be more css anyway?
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  559. # [22:35] <tw2113> hmm, there would be an interesting idea
  560. # [22:36] <tw2113> load an image into canvas, read the pixel data, have the code spit out a random color to each pixel and replace the previous one, profit
  561. # [22:38] <cgcardona> tw2113: css3 = html5
  562. # [22:38] <cgcardona> <(O_0_>
  563. # [22:38] <cgcardona> *)
  564. # [22:38] * tw2113 slugs cgcardona in the toe
  565. # [22:39] <cgcardona> ouch - they are just now healing up from the hike :P
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  567. # [22:40] <tw2113> ok, then your ex's toe :D
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  581. # [23:24] <cheilmann_> meh
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