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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 22 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <nimbupani> yeah i was away for this month's one
  4. # [00:00] <nimbupani> but there is nothing else :|
  5. # [00:00] <nimbupani> everything is very startuppy
  6. # [00:00] <nimbupani> who wants that
  7. # [00:01] <paul_irish> a pain? button elems?
  8. # [00:01] <nimbupani> gotta reset everything
  9. # [00:02] <nimbupani> and there is this firefox issue remember?
  10. # [00:02] <nimbupani> that ivannikolic highlighted
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  13. # [00:08] <croby> nimbupani: you've been to these SeattlsJS meetups previously?
  14. # [00:08] <nimbupani> no i just discovered em >_>
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  16. # [00:09] <nimbupani> i was at refresh seattle like 2 years ago croby
  17. # [00:09] <nimbupani> before it stopped
  18. # [00:09] <croby> i'm definitely out of the loop of tech happenings, but i feel like with all the devs out here there should be more that i just don't know about...or something
  19. # [00:10] <nimbupani> i know croby!
  20. # [00:10] <nimbupani> thats what I feel too
  21. # [00:11] <nimbupani> there is one happening in may
  22. # [00:11] <nimbupani> but thats like smthing you pay for and all
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  24. # [00:11] <croby> oh? whats that
  25. # [00:12] <nimbupani> ?g unplugged web directions
  26. # [00:12] <bot-t> nimbupani, Web Directions Unplugged - http://unplugged11.webdirections.org/
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  29. # [00:14] <croby> nimbupani: wow, you really do have to /pay/ -- are all conferences this steep?
  30. # [00:14] <nimbupani> yes croby :|
  31. # [00:14] <nimbupani> ?g jsconf
  32. # [00:14] <bot-t> nimbupani, JSConf.US 2010 -- Swashbucklin' JavaScript! - http://jsconf.us/2010/
  33. # [00:15] <nimbupani> ?g jsconf 2011
  34. # [00:15] <bot-t> nimbupani, JSConf US - May 2-3, 2011: Packing up and heading west, Portland ... - http://2011.jsconf.us/
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  63. # [01:10] <DMGregory> paul_irish: got my WebGL problem licked, thanks for your help!
  64. # [01:10] <paul_irish> score
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  67. # [01:10] <DMGregory> Really dumb oversight on my part (as expected) ;)
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  106. # [02:14] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: need more aurgasms...
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  127. # [03:12] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: you around?
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  170. # [05:37] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: link me to the current fontstuff?
  171. # [05:37] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: hey ho
  172. # [05:38] <paul_irish> :)
  173. # [05:38] <chriseppstein> http://beta.compass-style.org/reference/compass/css3/font_face/
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  175. # [05:39] <paul_irish> omg instalink to source
  176. # [05:42] <chriseppstein> generated docs ftw
  177. # [05:42] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: the short of it is to use the fontspring ? syntax.
  178. # [05:42] <chriseppstein> ok. link?
  179. # [05:43] <paul_irish> ?g fontspring syntax
  180. # [05:43] <bot-t1> paul_irish, The New Bulletproof @Font-Face Syntax | Fontspring - http://www.fontspring.com/blog/the-new-bulletproof-font-face-syntax
  181. # [05:43] <chriseppstein> magic
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  183. # [05:43] <paul_irish> that'll pick up android 2.2+ support .. and serve the woff to ie9
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  195. # [06:17] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: thanks
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  243. # [09:03] <phrearch> hi
  244. # [09:04] <phrearch> im writing a collaborative painting app(http://94.23.105.24/), and i was wondering how to manage the history system. after painting a while the whole history log builds up pretty fast
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  286. # [10:23] <beevi7> does anyone here know any good template resources like themeforest.net?
  287. # [10:23] <beevi7> not too expensive (<50$)
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  290. # [10:26] <phrearch> hm jquery ui?
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  292. # [10:27] <phrearch> its only 0 bucks
  293. # [10:27] <beevi7> i'm looking for design templates to buy. not for ui frameworks to use ;)
  294. # [10:28] <phrearch> ah ok
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  296. # [10:33] <beevi7> themeforest.net is such a site
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  300. # [10:41] <lonimurar> hello
  301. # [10:42] <lonimurar> what video format would you recommend? I'm looking to support as many devices/browsers as possible
  302. # [10:42] <lonimurar> (for html5 <video>)
  303. # [10:43] <lonimurar> I'm already using h.264 w/ flash, but that's not very widely supported, right?
  304. # [10:44] <SteveGL> well h.264 has the majority at over an "estimated" 66% market share last I remember.
  305. # [10:44] <SteveGL> That was almost year ago though.
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  308. # [10:45] <lonimurar> I guess that's mostly youtube though?
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  310. # [10:46] <SteveGL> yeah, but there's many others, such as vimeo and some news/broadcast media sites like CNN.
  311. # [10:47] <SteveGL> Here's Apple's own list of sites using H.264
  312. # [10:47] <SteveGL> http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/
  313. # [10:48] <phrearch> http://www.webmproject.org/
  314. # [10:48] <lonimurar> so the iPad plays H.264; the iPhone doesn't though?
  315. # [10:49] <SteveGL> all iOS devices support it.
  316. # [10:50] <lonimurar> oh, that's neat
  317. # [10:50] <lonimurar> since the very beginning or was this introduced recently?
  318. # [10:51] <SteveGL> since the beginning, even before the iPhone came out, Apple was pushing companies like youtube to adopt h.264
  319. # [10:51] <SteveGL> I need to look into WebM more.
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  321. # [10:51] <SteveGL> Haven't really checked it out.
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  325. # [10:59] <phrearch> its royalty free
  326. # [10:59] <phrearch> so is theora, but it seems more efficient
  327. # [11:00] <phrearch> if its part of <video> then its byebye flash
  328. # [11:00] <phrearch> ehm h264 actually
  329. # [11:00] <phrearch> no need for flash for playing vids though
  330. # [11:00] <phrearch> flash is great for other stuff
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  336. # [11:05] <SteveGL> Flash had a good life, but it really feels like it's going the way of REAL Media.. which is surprisingly still around.
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  338. # [11:20] <phrearch> well, html5 has still a long way to go to match all of flash' features
  339. # [11:20] <phrearch> device api for one
  340. # [11:20] <phrearch> and vector animation
  341. # [11:21] <phrearch> sound api
  342. # [11:21] <phrearch> and maybe a nice app to create animations using a timeline
  343. # [11:21] <phrearch> hm, would be nice to create something like that
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  390. # [13:17] <dpy> hi guys
  391. # [13:17] <dpy> does anyone know how to specify the css properties of an svg-dom element, such that it covers the whole page?
  392. # [13:17] <dpy> svg { position:absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; } doesn't work, because it will only make de svg object as large as the browser window, which isn't the same as the size of the page...
  393. # [13:18] <dpy> I need this for SVG, because SVG is clipped, html content isn't clipped by default, so this never used to be a problem...
  394. # [13:18] <nimbupani> do you have a test file you can ?paste
  395. # [13:18] <nimbupani> ?paste @ dpy
  396. # [13:18] <bot-t> dpy, Please paste your code at http://jsfiddle.net/ . If that is down then you may use: http://paste.pocoo.org/+js , or http://fixee.org/
  397. # [13:18] <dpy> I can put something up yes
  398. # [13:19] <dpy> give me a couple of minutes, pls
  399. # [13:19] <nimbupani> k
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  404. # [13:46] <dpy> nimbupani: http://jsbin.com/efevo4/2
  405. # [13:46] <dpy> if you scroll down, you will see that the svg will be clipped
  406. # [13:46] <dpy> (drag the orange balloon onto the white rectangle)
  407. # [13:47] <nimbupani> aha
  408. # [13:47] <nimbupani> okay i see
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  411. # [13:50] <nimbupani> so why do you need that bottom extender dpy?
  412. # [13:51] <dpy> nimbupani: that's just for this demo
  413. # [13:51] <nimbupani> so you would have to like specify with js if you want the svg to extend all over the page
  414. # [13:51] <nimbupani> from what I know
  415. # [13:52] <dpy> nimbupani: in my real app, where the body is used as a sort of diagram, which may extend beyond the browser window's size
  416. # [13:52] <dpy> you should be able to scroll down and up / left and right on the page
  417. # [13:52] <dpy> however, my svg object won't take the size of the full page
  418. # [13:53] <nimbupani> o kay perhaps askin #svg this is pretty unique :|
  419. # [13:53] <nimbupani> and make sure you ping one of them coz they all idle there :P
  420. # [13:53] <nimbupani> you could also ask shepazu
  421. # [13:53] <dpy> #svg is really focussed on SVG (what you can do within <svg>)
  422. # [13:53] <nimbupani> but I am not sure if he is awake yet.
  423. # [13:53] <nimbupani> naw not really
  424. # [13:54] <bonhoffer> i got my video working in chrome, safari, opera, ff, but ie is not working: http://www.crossfitadaptation.com/benefits/
  425. # [13:54] <bonhoffer> any thoughts?
  426. # [13:56] <dpy> http://jsbin.com/efevo4/3
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  428. # [13:57] <dpy> got rid of the bottomextender, now I just set the body to 2000x2000px
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  431. # [14:20] <bonhoffer> does ie8 implement html5 is that my problem?
  432. # [14:22] <jetienne> bonhoffer: only part of it
  433. # [14:22] <bonhoffer> got it -- do you see what could be wrong?
  434. # [14:23] <jetienne> bonhoffer: in fact no browser implement html5. because html5 is a very moving target
  435. # [14:23] <bonhoffer> chrome seems to be doing a good job
  436. # [14:23] <jetienne> obviously some are better than other. but ie8 is clearly not the best
  437. # [14:23] <jetienne> bonhoffer: chrome does well
  438. # [14:24] <bonhoffer> the video doesn't seem to play in ie
  439. # [14:24] <jetienne> bonhoffer: in fact, it is advised to use modernizr or similar tool instead of relying on browser detection
  440. # [14:24] <jetienne> bonhoffer: for video for exmaple, many stuff exists which works in all browsers
  441. # [14:25] <bonhoffer> are you talking about how i use the <video> element and letting modes degrade
  442. # [14:25] <jetienne> bonhoffer: yes exactly
  443. # [14:25] <bonhoffer> jetienne: so you are saying they way i am doing it is wrong
  444. # [14:25] <jetienne> http://www.denbagus.net/html5-video-player for a list. you got some without js even
  445. # [14:26] <bonhoffer> got it -- i like modernizr
  446. # [14:26] <bonhoffer> never seen that before
  447. # [14:26] <jetienne> bonhoffer: html5 boilerplate contains a lot of usefull tool
  448. # [14:26] <jetienne> modernizr is only one of them
  449. # [14:26] <bonhoffer> interesting . . . thanks
  450. # [14:27] <jetienne> https://github.com/kriskowal/es5-shim to fix old js engine for example
  451. # [14:28] <jetienne> http://sourceforge.net/projects/excanvas/ to get canvas in old IE
  452. # [14:28] <jetienne> bonhoffer: a lot of stuff like that
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  468. # [15:10] <dpy> nimbupani: I fixed it: http://jsbin.com/efevo4/3
  469. # [15:10] <dpy> nimbupani: it works so long as the SVG is the only relatively positioned element
  470. # [15:11] <dpy> (i.e. the rest is positioned absolutely)
  471. # [15:11] <nimbupani> abs positioned u mean?
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  474. # [15:11] <dpy> nimbupani: no the rest is, except the svg
  475. # [15:11] <nimbupani> oh
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  477. # [15:11] <nimbupani> hmm looking at jsbin sez your svg style is pos: abs
  478. # [15:11] <dpy> because then you can position it relatively with top=right=left=bottom: 0; margin: auto;
  479. # [15:12] <dpy> which will make it grow as big as the body is
  480. # [15:12] <dpy> hmm wait...
  481. # [15:12] <dpy> how can the body grow dynamically then?
  482. # [15:12] <dpy> ok, back to the drawing board... my test case is not reflecting the real situation well enough...
  483. # [15:13] <nimbupani> :|
  484. # [15:13] <dpy> sorry, forgot to save: http://jsbin.com/efevo4/4
  485. # [15:14] <dpy> I was referring to what is happening on v4
  486. # [15:14] <dpy> unfortunately, it's no quite the solution as I just discovered
  487. # [15:15] <nimbupani> the technique is sound tho
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  489. # [15:15] <nimbupani> bottom: 0 and right: 0 will stretch the element into occupying the space of the parent element that is abs pos
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  493. # [15:17] <dpy> nimbupani: yes, but it usually works for div elements
  494. # [15:17] <nimbupani> dpy: it would work for any element
  495. # [15:17] <dpy> where all the page contents go into that div
  496. # [15:18] <nimbupani> that has display: block
  497. # [15:18] <dpy> hmm let me try
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  499. # [15:18] <dpy> yes, well it works for any element with display block
  500. # [15:19] <dpy> but... if you want that element to grow based on page content, you are SOL
  501. # [15:19] <dpy> because an SVG cannot contain regular html content (like p, other div, etc..)
  502. # [15:20] <dpy> and if it would be a div, then yes, it can contain p, other div etc so in that case the technique works much better
  503. # [15:21] <nimbupani> svg is an image format not a html fragment
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  505. # [15:22] <nimbupani> so its not designed to grow with pages AFAIK
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  533. # [16:26] <dpy> is there an event for when the scrollWidth/scrollHeight of an element changes?
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  548. # [16:56] <davidmurdoch> Why has there recently been a consensus that the optimal animation frame-rate is 60fps (or 16.6__7 ms)?
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  552. # [17:01] <davidmurdoch> If our hardware was capable of flashing an image on screen for around 4ms I KNOW I would not only be able to SEE the image but would likely be able to make out some details.
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  554. # [17:07] <dpy> 24fps and 30fps look fine, but an animation at 60fps appears to be smoother... Mind you, that for non-animation movies 60fps yields soap opera effect...
  555. # [17:08] <davidmurdoch> soap opera effect. hm.
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  558. # [17:09] <davidmurdoch> what I'm saying is that if our hardware could accurately reproduce: `elem.style.display = "block"; setTimeout(function(){ elem.style.display = "none"; },4);` we could still see the image that appeared on screen for that very brief moment.
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  563. # [17:13] <davidmurdoch> ...even though the animation is 250 fps (or 1 "frame" that lasts 1/250th of a second)
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  567. # [17:24] <davidmurdoch> meh. I guess I must be crazy.
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  583. # [18:12] <JonathanNeal> Hey all, what do you think of this? http://pastie.org/1592179 a list of standard abbreviated class names to be used in your projects? There's a community editable version @ http://oksoclap.com/ftwclassnames
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  587. # [18:19] <BrianBlakely> JonathanNeal: I think it's really in line with how I do things. Semantic-esque naming, "inherited" naming, etc
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  589. # [18:20] <BrianBlakely> JonathanNeal: Ranking abbreviations are really not, however. Calling something a "child" is almost as bad as .container, which isn't my cup-o-joe
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  591. # [18:21] <JonathanNeal> BrianBlakely: agreed.
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  594. # [18:30] <JonathanNeal> I have improved the documentation under "Abbreviation Combinations and Ordering"
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  606. # [18:46] <rgervais> question, I have an error I want displayed saying 'Please select another video'
  607. # [18:46] <rgervais> what tag should I wrap around with
  608. # [18:46] <rgervais> p, span, div?
  609. # [18:46] <rgervais> it's just plain text with a red background
  610. # [18:48] <tw2113> not sure it matters
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  612. # [18:49] <rgervais> just want to know the proper semantics, all will do the job
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  614. # [18:50] <tw2113> personally, i'd probably go with a paragraph
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  616. # [18:53] <JonathanNeal> if it has meaning, put it in something meaningful.
  617. # [18:53] <JonathanNeal> think of divs as more structural.
  618. # [18:53] <JonathanNeal> and accept that you will, most likely, have to offset certain styles on a p
  619. # [18:53] <JonathanNeal> like the margin.
  620. # [18:54] <JonathanNeal> that's if you want to be squeaky clean IMHO, but remember that if the text isn't readable by a spider, it won't make much difference to SEO. however, it could be useful to screen readers, I suppose.
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  623. # [18:56] <rgervais> thanks guys
  624. # [18:56] <rgervais> i'll go for the P then
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  642. # [19:16] <davidmurdoch> woah. a-maz-ing you guys see the Chinese version fo Google Maps? http://tijs.co/eQpvp0
  643. # [19:18] <Michael> paul_irish, I see they talk about Modernizr in the CSS3 course on Lynda.com
  644. # [19:18] <paul_irish> suweet
  645. # [19:18] <Michael> yeah :)
  646. # [19:19] <Michael> They talk it up and recommend everyone use it not only for it's CSS3 support but HTML5
  647. # [19:19] <Michael> oh wow.. now this movie is all about Modernizr
  648. # [19:20] <Michael> ANd they mention your name heheh
  649. # [19:21] <davidmurdoch> Baidu Maps looks incredible. seriously. someone acknowledge this with me!
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  651. # [19:23] <Michael> davidmurdoch, Pretty neat!
  652. # [19:23] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: Yeah, I saw this a year or two ago. For some reason I can't get out of Shanghai, though :P
  653. # [19:23] <davidmurdoch> AND they use font tags
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  655. # [19:24] <davidmurdoch> this is THAT old?
  656. # [19:24] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: Pretty certain
  657. # [19:24] <BrianBlakely> Oh, you need to switch to reg'lar mode to get out of the city..
  658. # [19:24] <JonathanNeal> davidmurdoch, indeed it looks pretty nice.
  659. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> But I don't see any available space for me to build new homes.
  660. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> And I don't see the option where I can cause a natural disaster or spell my name out with trees in the park.
  661. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> davidmurdoch: thumbs down for optionless sim-city.
  662. # [19:25] <Michael> Looks like those maps were a TON of work
  663. # [19:26] <davidmurdoch> Yah, it is insane how detailed some of it is.
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  665. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: Some random hotels and buildings I've been to are very well-reproduced
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  667. # [19:29] <BrianBlakely> If you already know where you're going, this can be very handy
  668. # [19:30] <davidmurdoch> translations into other languages would make it even more useful.
  669. # [19:30] <davidmurdoch> can someone explain the #! (hashbang) problem to me? I don't see why it is so bad
  670. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> It's definitely prettier than this: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=28+W+23rd+St,+New+York,+10010&ll=40.74137,-73.988881&spn=0.001979,0.004128&t=f&z=19&ecpose=40.7394526,-73.98888052,225.27,0,44.998,0
  671. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> That should be a 3D Google Earth rendering in Maps
  672. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> Not sure if you need a plugin or if it's using WebGL
  673. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> Yeah, it appears to be Flash/Other plugin
  674. # [19:32] <davidmurdoch> It seems everyone is staring to consider them "verboten" when they are extremely useful when used properly.
  675. # [19:33] <davidmurdoch> BrianBlakely. It uses the Google Earth plugin.
  676. # [19:36] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: I guess it comes packaged with Chrome
  677. # [19:37] <davidmurdoch> I don't think it does. It prompted me for an install.
  678. # [19:37] <BrianBlakely> Hmm, weird
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  681. # [19:38] <BrianBlakely> I could see the Earth way as being better, but it needs higher-resolution textures and a faster distribution method. Texture pop-in on top of low-res makes for difficult mental parsing
  682. # [19:39] <BrianBlakely> But Earth View is better than Satellite View by good country mile
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  684. # [19:44] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: wow that's crazy O__O
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  690. # [19:51] <rgervais> ok I got another question, what tag should i use for a refresh button "it'll become an icon using CSS"? A span, a tag, or button tag or something else?
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  692. # [19:56] <davidmurdoch> rgervais: what?
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  695. # [20:00] <Michael> Does CSS3 have the concept of scaleX and scaleY ?
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  697. # [20:04] <paul_irish> ?g 2d transforms spec
  698. # [20:04] <bot-t1> paul_irish, CSS 2D Transforms Module Level 3 - http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-2d-transforms/
  699. # [20:04] <paul_irish> yus
  700. # [20:05] <tw2113> afternoon ladies and gentlemen
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  702. # [20:15] <Michael> paul_irish, Looks like it only works for block elements in Chrome
  703. # [20:15] <paul_irish> how about inline-block
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  705. # [20:15] <paul_irish> or position:rel'd inlines
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  707. # [20:17] <paul_irish> hey richbradshaw
  708. # [20:17] <richbradshaw> hi
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  711. # [20:19] <Michael> paul_irish, Yep! Works with inline block
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  715. # [20:35] <paul_irish> http://www.technologywithpassion.com/about-us/team/
  716. # [20:36] <richbradshaw> love the way that when you click, the person makes a funny face, then everyone else looks down as if they are embarrased.
  717. # [20:37] <paul_irish> ha! nice
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  724. # [20:49] <Michael> paul_irish, The nav menu needs animations
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  726. # [20:49] <Michael> Rather than on/off states
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  747. # [21:10] <themiddleman_itv> jamund: hello
  748. # [21:11] <BrianBlakely> Anyone keeping up with the ad tracking nonsense?
  749. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> Seems like a load of FUD to me
  750. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> Tracking ads are innocuous, and a pretty big deal for marketers
  751. # [21:13] <BrianBlakely> Browser vendors are pushing it to capitalize on fear, 11-o'clock-news-style
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  753. # [21:15] <davidmurdoch> BrianBlakely. I agree completely.
  754. # [21:15] <SteveGL> It's not just with browser vendors or on the web, but I've seen fear and FUD everywhere on that topic.
  755. # [21:16] <davidmurdoch> I'd actually PREFER they track me and serve some useful ads (or less annoying ones) than just blindly send me random ads about stuff I'll never buy.
  756. # [21:16] <BrianBlakely> I'm responding mostly to this (well-balanced) article: http://lifehacker.com/#!5767080/what-do-not-track-is-and-why-its-important
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  758. # [21:17] <Neiluj_> Searching the best/simplest/cleanest way to have scrollable tbody with webkit, anybody ?
  759. # [21:17] <BrianBlakely> I think some people are realistic about it, but if it becomes a selling-point for a browser, Joe Dude might get the wrong idea
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  761. # [21:18] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: overflow: auto not doing the trick?
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  764. # [21:19] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: that would be too easy ;) no it doesn't
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  766. # [21:19] <niftylettuce> 960 vs 1080? any thoughts?
  767. # [21:20] <davidmurdoch> niftylettuce: whatchootalkinbout?
  768. # [21:20] <jetienne> only 120px of diff
  769. # [21:21] <jetienne> but i like 960 grids, especially on jquery mobile :)
  770. # [21:21] <Neiluj> niftylettuce: 1080 can be divided by 9, 960 can't
  771. # [21:21] <niftylettuce> yeah thats what I mean
  772. # [21:21] <niftylettuce> mobile better served with 960?
  773. # [21:21] <Neiluj> so if you need it :)
  774. # [21:21] <niftylettuce> not sure what apple os and android do to 1080
  775. # [21:21] <Neiluj> depends on your viewport settings
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  777. # [21:22] <jetienne> iphone = 320*480
  778. # [21:22] <jetienne> iphone 4 = 640*960
  779. # [21:22] <niftylettuce> are none 1080?
  780. # [21:22] <niftylettuce> what about droid x
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  782. # [21:22] <jetienne> ipad = 1024*768
  783. # [21:22] <niftylettuce> i guess they would all scale the same
  784. # [21:23] <jetienne> motorolla droid is my phone. but i dunno the resolution :)
  785. # [21:23] * jetienne is lame :)
  786. # [21:23] <BrianBlakely> Neiluj: Use display: block on the <tbody>
  787. # [21:24] <Neiluj> BrianBlakely: it's breaking the table
  788. # [21:24] <BrianBlakely> arg
  789. # [21:25] <jetienne> niftylettuce: motorolla droid seems to be 480 x 854 pixels
  790. # [21:25] <Neiluj> I'll put a fiddle
  791. # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> kewl
  792. # [21:25] <jetienne> niftylettuce: in short, no standard in resolution
  793. # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> Resolution is irrelevant in mobile, really
  794. # [21:26] <BrianBlakely> It's all about columns
  795. # [21:26] <jetienne> BrianBlakely: ?
  796. # [21:26] <jetienne> how many columns and how wide
  797. # [21:26] <BrianBlakely> jetienne: Things don't become difficult to manage from a user-end perspective until you introduce h-scroll
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  799. # [21:27] <jetienne> well resolution will tell you when horizontal scroll is required
  800. # [21:27] <jetienne> clearly you can do multiple column on 1024px easier than on a 320px
  801. # [21:28] <Neiluj> http://jsfiddle.net/FrsMz/ why is it not that easy ?
  802. # [21:28] <jetienne> i even written jquery mobile 960 exactly for this
  803. # [21:28] <BrianBlakely> jetienne: It's not about resolution, it's about width
  804. # [21:28] <BrianBlakely> jetienne: In inches/cm
  805. # [21:28] <jetienne> http://jeromeetienne.github.com/jquery-mobile-960/
  806. # [21:28] <jetienne> BrianBlakely: ah ok. i agree
  807. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Lower than ~6in in width (just an estimate), and you've got yourself a smartphone or smartphone-esque design challenge
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  812. # [21:33] <BrianBlakely> At which point, you should reduce to one column for everything
  813. # [21:33] <BrianBlakely> One way to think about things: smartphone = singlecolumn, all others = multicolumn
  814. # [21:34] <BrianBlakely> I could imagine some cool designs though with superthin scrolling columns on smartphones, however...
  815. # [21:34] <BrianBlakely> Like the iOS date/time pickers
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  847. # [22:02] <BrianBlakely> Fastest way to duck-type arrays? Feeling like .length might be podgy
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  862. # [22:03] <davidmurdoch> stackoverflow is starting a passive job search experiment tomorrow where employers can search for users and send them a message asking if they are looking for a job. Cool. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/80254/new-careers-feature-passive-candidate-search-feedback-wanted
  863. # [22:04] <inimino> BrianBlakely ⋱ A question for ##javascript
  864. # [22:06] <BrianBlakely> Thanks inimino
  865. # [22:06] <rgervais> thanks too
  866. # [22:07] <danielfilho> lovely netsplit
  867. # [22:07] <danielfilho> :D
  868. # [22:07] <danielfilho> long time no see.
  869. # [22:08] <danielfilho> by the way, happy birthday to me ok, guys? :D
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  905. # [22:08] <tw2113> aye, split day
  906. # [22:09] <Neiluj> yay :)
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  908. # [22:09] <rgervais> wow I haven't seen that either in decades lol
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  922. # [22:09] <rgervais> again?
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  946. # [22:11] <tw2113> it's surprisingly frequent actually
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  952. # [22:18] <BrianBlakely> Happy bday danielfilho :)
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  1004. # [22:56] <BrianBlakely> Hella interesting: http://blog.thejit.org/2011/02/22/philogl-webgl-framework-data-visualization-creative-coding-game-development/
  1005. # [22:58] <BrianBlakely> I am enjoying diversification in the WebGL world
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  1007. # [22:59] <davidmurdoch> lol. Your browser does not support WebGL. Try downloading Google Chrome to see the example.
  1008. # [22:59] <BrianBlakely> Or FF4
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  1010. # [22:59] <BrianBlakely> …maybe >_>
  1011. # [23:01] <BrianBlakely> Yeah, working really well in FF4
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  1017. # [23:05] <davidmurdoch> Got disconnected..I'm using Chrome.
  1018. # [23:05] <davidmurdoch> Chromium doesn't work either
  1019. # [23:05] <davidmurdoch> Chromium*
  1020. # [23:06] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: That's awfully strange. Are you on Linux?
  1021. # [23:06] <davidmurdoch> I tried Chromium on Ubuntu. Chrome dev channel on Win XP
  1022. # [23:07] <davidmurdoch> It completely crashed FF4 b 10
  1023. # [23:07] <paul_irish> anyone in here used html5lib ?
  1024. # [23:07] <paul_irish> looking for the best way to traverse a parsed doc.. would love to use selectors.. :D
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  1027. # [23:08] <Moo-_> davidmurdoch: get an IRC client http://quassel-irc.org/ :)
  1028. # [23:08] <davidmurdoch> I had mIRC and it almost ruined my life.
  1029. # [23:09] <paul_irish> you should get a proper client though :) pidgin/adium is nice these days.
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  1031. # [23:10] <davidmurdoch> BrianBlakely, second time loading in FF4 it just hangs but doesn't crash the browser. IE9 hangs too and the layout is a little quirky.
  1032. # [23:11] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: IE9 doesn't have WebGL support… not sure wassap with your other clients. I think you're cursed. D:
  1033. # [23:11] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish, but I like living in my browser. And freaking-A...when is Google going to send me a CR-48!?
  1034. # [23:12] <davidmurdoch> 3 different cmoputers too.
  1035. # [23:12] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: I have to second Adium, quite nice
  1036. # [23:12] <davidmurdoch> Adium is a free instant messaging application for Mac OS X...
  1037. # [23:13] <paul_irish> pidgin
  1038. # [23:13] * davidmurdoch is on windows
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  1040. # [23:13] <paul_irish> pidgin + adium are basically the same.
  1041. # [23:13] <paul_irish> diff OS's
  1042. # [23:13] <davidmurdoch> Their logo rocks.
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  1047. # [23:17] <tw2113> xchat!
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  1050. # [23:18] <davidmurdoch> What about an in-browser chat-client?
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  1054. # [23:23] <davidmurdoch> Anyone have any recommendations for HTML5 CSS/HTML/Javascript editors?
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  1056. # [23:25] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: Coda is flawed (they're all flawed), but I like it muchly
  1057. # [23:26] <BrianBlakely> OS X
  1058. # [23:26] <paul_irish> davidmurdoch: the best inbrowser chat is mibbit (for IRC... but blocks freenode).. for IM its meebo
  1059. # [23:26] <paul_irish> and IMVU if you're a 9yo girl who likes to dress up all fancy with pretty earrings
  1060. # [23:27] <BrianBlakely> ?g ICQ chat
  1061. # [23:27] <bot-t> BrianBlakely, ICQ Chat Rooms - ICQ.com - http://chat.icq.com/
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  1063. # [23:27] <BrianBlakely> Ah, meeemories
  1064. # [23:28] <davidmurdoch> haha... South Africa, The Czeck Republic, Southe Korea, Portuguese, Bi Curious Women...
  1065. # [23:29] <davidmurdoch> one of these items is not like the others. :-)
  1066. # [23:31] <davidmurdoch> Anyone have any recommendations for HTML5 CSS/HTML/Javascript editors?
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  1068. # [23:32] <davidmurdoch> or has anyone implemented just the client-side editor from Cloud9?
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  1070. # [23:35] <davidmurdoch> :-/
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  1075. # [23:38] <paul_irish> cloud9ide is open source. i've run it locally
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  1077. # [23:39] <davidmurdoch> Yah, I'm setting up "ACE" now. I didn't realize they kept the code-editor itself on a separate repo (https://github.com/ajaxorg/ace)
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  1079. # [23:40] <paul_irish> davidmurdoch: we got a lot of requests for ace integration in jshint.. if you're feeling up to it
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  1081. # [23:43] <davidmurdoch> sounds fun.
  1082. # [23:44] <davidmurdoch> I've got a week to finish about 2 weeks of work so if no one gets on it by the time I'm free I'll do it.
  1083. # [23:44] <croby> paul_irish: have you also seen a lot of requests for textmate integration? (we're in the process of converting our jslint unit test over to jshint)
  1084. # [23:45] <paul_irish> croby: yup seen a bunch of that.
  1085. # [23:45] <paul_irish> if you guys finish something we'll link it up on the site fo sho
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  1092. # [23:56] <davidmurdoch> I'm hating the mouse-tracking-on-hover glowing thing on Chrome's Tabs. I'm thinking about switch to beta or stable if they don't have it. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
  1093. # [23:56] <paul_irish> they all have it.
  1094. # [23:56] <paul_irish> have since chrome .. like.. 3
  1095. # [23:56] <BrianBlakely> davidmurdoch: I like it :)
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  1097. # [23:59] <davidmurdoch> facepalm. I just adjusted the color settings for my monitors...I guess thats why I never noticed it.
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