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# Session Start: Wed Feb 23 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:02] <davidmurdoch> Chrome on linux doesn't have it.
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# [00:08] <BrianBlakely> I'll just leave this here...
# [00:08] <BrianBlakely> http://i.imgur.com/mkgmi.jpg
# [00:09] <davidmurdoch> lol
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# [00:12] <davidmurdoch> Chrome stable on Windows Server 2008 doesn't have the glowing-mouse-hover thing either
# [00:16] <davidmurdoch> here is what I'm talking about: http://bit.ly/gZqEP4
# [00:17] <franksalim> davidmurdoch: i only use chrome on linux, so i had no idea what you were talking about, but i found this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJmkNGJobGo
# [00:18] <davidmurdoch> franksalim. yup. thats it. And i hate it.
# [00:18] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish: you are saying that has been there for a while?
# [00:18] <paul_irish> long time
# [00:19] <Neiluj> like it too
# [00:19] <digitalfiz> i didnt notice it until i got my cr48
# [00:19] <digitalfiz> cuz the linux version of chrome doesnt have it
# [00:19] <davidmurdoch> rubitin
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# [00:20] <digitalfiz> davidmurdoch, why do you hate it? its not intrusive in anyways imo its hardly even noticeable
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# [00:22] <davidmurdoch> Its distracting to me. Kinda like mouse trailers (http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex13/trailer.htm)
# [00:22] <davidmurdoch> okay, it isn't quite as bad as mouse trailers
# [00:23] <digitalfiz> hehe
# [00:24] <digitalfiz> dynamicdrive is an abomination
# [00:24] <digitalfiz> the symbolization of the initial decay of javascript
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# [00:25] <davidmurdoch> i wouldn't say javascript is decaying.
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# [00:25] <davidmurdoch> oh, most Chrome themes don't have the hover glow and some aren't quite as noticable.
# [00:26] <niftylettuce> does mootools not work with modernizr? I got a client who won't let me switch to jquery, and IE gives me document object not found error all over the place right after I put in modernizr
# [00:26] <digitalfiz> no no the initial decay
# [00:26] <niftylettuce> ew actually it had nothing to do with modernizr, IE just blowwws
# [00:26] <digitalfiz> javascript has made a spectacular comeback
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# [00:47] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/2011/requestanimationframe-for-smart-animating/
# [00:49] <Neiluj> http://img130.imageshack.us/i/reflect.jpg/
# [00:49] <Neiluj> see the reflection ^
# [00:49] <Neiluj> wtf? :)
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# [00:50] <croby> paul_irish: i think you might have DDOS'd yourself
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# [00:50] <paul_irish> hup
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# [00:51] <paul_irish> so embarassing :x
# [00:51] <Neiluj> paul_irish: I know a good company for hosting your site, I forgot the name... something like "google" maybe ;p
# [00:51] <paul_irish> psh. gae hits quota all too often
# [00:51] <Evet> lol
# [00:51] <Evet> i would use a cdn to host a blog
# [00:52] * paul_irish reboots server.
# [00:52] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: saw my screen? seems like the reflection is a real pic what do you think ?
# [00:52] <davidmurdoch> Neiluj: that is pretty incredible.
# [00:52] <paul_irish> back up.
# [00:54] <davidmurdoch> no sir.
# [00:54] <digitalfiz> http://andrewvos.com/2011/02/21/amount-of-profanity-in-git-commit-messages-per-programming-language/
# [00:55] <davidmurdoch> ace integration is gard
# [00:55] <davidmurdoch> hard
# [00:55] <davidmurdoch> it might be gard to
# [00:55] <davidmurdoch> too*
# [00:55] <Neiluj> digitalfiz: yeah Javascript FTW o/
# [00:57] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: actually this same reflection picture is used on other buldings :) funny
# [00:57] <davidmurdoch> lol
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# [00:57] <davidmurdoch> anyone know the particulars of using ACE?
# [00:58] <digitalfiz> paul_irish, when did you put the background deal on your blog?
# [00:58] <digitalfiz> just spent about 10mins scribbling :P
# [00:58] <paul_irish> it was there, then gone now back.
# [00:58] <digitalfiz> i like stuff like that
# [00:59] <digitalfiz> a very simple looking blog then BAM a splash of awesomeness
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# [00:59] <paul_irish> heh
# [00:59] <paul_irish> there is space at the bottom to play
# [00:59] <digitalfiz> yeah i found it
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# [01:01] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i am listening to some really hipsterish music right now
# [01:01] <nimbupani> which wan!
# [01:01] <antonkovalyov> feel like going for a walk to get coffee not from starbucks
# [01:02] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, vampire weekend
# [01:02] <nimbupani> hahaha thats almost mainstream!
# [01:02] <antonkovalyov> jesus
# [01:02] <davidmurdoch> digitalfiz: draw this: ★
# [01:02] <antonkovalyov> i will need to have a shot of RATM after this album
# [01:02] <antonkovalyov> to recover myself
# [01:02] <nimbupani> there are acts similar but not quite mainstreamish
# [01:02] <nimbupani> what is RATM :|
# [01:02] <nimbupani> ?ud RATM
# [01:03] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, Rage Against The Machine
# [01:03] <bot-t> nimbupani, RATM - Rage Against The Machine is the best band to ever have sat foot in this world - their music ain't just some crap they made up like shitty pop music; their music means something and it is politically inspired. They were a great band and it was a dam shame they split-up. Their music makes you think and that shit is important!
# [01:03] <nimbupani> O M G
# [01:03] <nimbupani> grosss
# [01:03] <digitalfiz> ★
# [01:03] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [01:03] <davidmurdoch> draw it on paulirish.com
# [01:03] <davidmurdoch> starting with the left point and begin by moving to the right point (then on and on)
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# [01:06] <davidmurdoch> ah. there are two versions of ace
# [01:06] <davidmurdoch> one for text areas and one for other stuff
# [01:06] <davidmurdoch> and of course the Download Packages don't include the textarea scripts
# [01:06] <davidmurdoch> wtf?
# [01:07] <digitalfiz> davidmurdoch, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9463387/Screenshot-5.png
# [01:07] <davidmurdoch> do it better and you will see
# [01:08] <davidmurdoch> ur too scribbly
# [01:09] <digitalfiz> thats awesome hahaha
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# [01:10] <digitalfiz> whats that song from
# [01:11] <digitalfiz> like never ending story or something
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# [01:37] <davidmurdoch> finally got ACE working...but not on a text area
# [01:38] <paul_irish> apparently document.domain doesnt work in FF or Chrome anymore
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# [01:46] <davidmurdoch> worksforme on chrome dev
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# [01:51] <franksalim> paul_irish: what do you mean by "work?"
# [01:51] <davidmurdoch> ok, so I've got an ACE editor working...but I can't find any events or methods that will actually get the code out of the editor
# [01:51] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov is reporting they fail
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# [01:52] <franksalim> fail as in document.domain is undefined?
# [01:53] <antonkovalyov> well, not exactly fail. i discovered that i can't make xhr requests from sub.example.com to example.com even if i opt-in on sub.example.com by setting document.domain to 'example.com'.
# [01:53] <antonkovalyov> basically, document.domain works only for iframe communication
# [01:54] <franksalim> antonkovalyov: these browsers have CORS support, though
# [01:55] <franksalim> so you can make cross-origin requests without mucking with unspecified browser objects
# [01:55] <antonkovalyov> franksalim, well I think IE browsers have the same same-origin policies when it comes to subdomains and I needed cross-domain thingy
# [01:56] <franksalim> could you set document.domain only when you know you can't make cross-origin requests?
# [01:56] <antonkovalyov> that would be 100% because i was trying to xhr from mediacdn.disqus.com to disqus.com
# [01:57] <franksalim> firefox and chrome will let you opt into cross-origin communication with CORS, though
# [02:01] <antonkovalyov> i am going to read more about CORS. it is kind of embarassing that i never heard about it haha
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# [02:03] <franksalim> antonkovalyov: we put a chapter about it in pro html5 programming. generally it is not talked about as much as some other new browser features.
# [02:03] <antonkovalyov> oh nice
# [02:07] <paul_irish> right.. so when they added CORS they dropped the document.domain workaround, it seems
# [02:07] <paul_irish> which makes sense but i dont think anyone knows that
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# [02:08] <snover> it makes sense if you like breaking compatibility ;)
# [02:09] <franksalim> i'm a little surprised by that, but i don't think it ever worked quite the same way in all browsers
# [02:09] <franksalim> it looks like there is a specified way for document.domain to change the script origin [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/origin-0.html]
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# [04:55] <alcuadrado> Hi there! I've been wondering about what to do with old-IE users who have JS disabled, as the html5shim won't be excecuted for them. How do you do this?
# [04:56] <thatryan> could always direct them here http://enable-javascript.com/
# [04:56] <nimbupani> ?g ie html5 without javascript
# [04:56] <bot-t1> nimbupani, HTML5 enabling script - http://remysharp.com/2009/01/07/html5-enabling-script/
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# [04:56] <nimbupani> hmmm not that
# [04:57] <nimbupani> there is a crazy solution here http://www.debeterevormgever.nl/html5-ie-without-javascript/
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# [05:18] <tw2113> http://imgur.com/ZyeCO
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# [05:21] <Neiluj> tw2113: thx, I'll put on my wall right now :)
# [05:21] <tw2113> glad i could help
# [05:23] <Neiluj> yeah our office is too cold, we need more silly geek stuffs on our walls ;)
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# [05:50] <Neiluj> damn Webkit is fucking with <input type="number"> padding-right O_o
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# [06:01] <Neiluj> ok solved http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3975769/disable-webkits-spin-buttons-on-input-type-number
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# [06:02] <Neiluj> even when the input have none appearance, spin-button needs it
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# [06:10] <shichuan> does anybody know any good and free irc client for windows?
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# [06:12] <daleharvey> shichuan: sign up for the irccloud beta
# [06:14] <shichuan> daleharvey: thanks, i am looking for a desktop app
# [06:14] <alcuadrado> how would you send yout non-js ie<9 users to a different page? noscript?
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# [06:17] <shichuan> alcuadrado: why sending to a different page?
# [06:17] <alcuadrado> beacuse the html5shim won't work for those users
# [06:18] <alcuadrado> I know I can use XHTML syntax to avoid the shim, but I won't use it for suck a small market share
# [06:18] <alcuadrado> such*
# [06:18] <alcuadrado> and suck too haha
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# [06:25] <shichuan> alcuadrado: if it's me, i will just ask the user to turn js on
# [06:26] <alcuadrado> that's what I wanna do
# [06:26] <alcuadrado> but in a styled page
# [06:26] <alcuadrado> and I don't wanna mix all that syle with the main one
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# [06:34] <shichuan> paul_irish: ok, thanks :)
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# [06:51] <shichuan> paul_irish: i am wondering after the drop of h264 from video tag in chrome, will android do the same?
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# [07:31] <paul_irish> shichuan: i do not know about android/h264. /me shrugggg
# [07:32] <paul_irish> my gf is looking to for a place to stay in thailand. needless to say, i think she found a winner: http://urs-treff-guesthouse.com/eng/rooms.html
# [07:33] <Peter`> but that's comic sans :|
# [07:33] <paul_irish> comic sans is perfect
# [07:33] <paul_irish> ?wa time amsterdam
# [07:33] <bot-t1> paul_irish, WolframAlpha - Currently Disabled
# [07:33] <paul_irish> psh
# [07:33] <Peter`> 7:30 AM
# [07:34] <paul_irish> happy travels
# [07:34] <Peter`> cheers :)
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# [07:46] <shichuan> hmmm, the hotel pic look weird
# [07:46] <alcuadrado> in the HTML5 Boilerplate, the hack at: body { font:13px/1.231 sans-serif; *font-size:small; } can be replaces with an extra rule? something like: .ie6, .ie7 { *font-size:small; } I know it should work the same, but the client insists on validation
# [07:47] <paul_irish> sure
# [07:47] <alcuadrado> great! and one more doubt
# [07:47] <paul_irish> we left it with the * so the font-size wouldnt affect css specificity
# [07:47] <paul_irish> make sure to check your fontsizes in ie6,7 afterwards
# [07:47] <alcuadrado> ok =)
# [07:48] <alcuadrado> and over there, it says that that's based in yui font.css, and in font.css's docs it sais that you should use % instead of px, that doesn't count for the boilerplate, right?
# [07:49] <paul_irish> i dont believe in %
# [07:49] <paul_irish> maybe in 2008
# [07:49] <paul_irish> px for font-sizes fo lyfe.
# [07:49] <paul_irish> buttttt that's just me
# [07:49] <tw2113> after the inclusion of media queries...they're not 100% necessary
# [07:50] <tw2113> now you can just scale down the px for the smaller screens
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# [07:50] <alcuadrado> I also use px, but there they have a table like: if you want 20px use 96.435345% :s
# [07:50] <paul_irish> we have full page zoom everywhere.. and pinch on phones
# [07:50] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: yeah that is crazy to me
# [07:50] <tw2113> paul's not patient enough to do that much math
# [07:50] <tw2113> :D
# [07:51] <tw2113> it hampers awesome stuff being made
# [07:51] <shichuan> i also remembered doing a lot 96.435345% before
# [07:52] <alcuadrado> haha
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# [07:52] <alcuadrado> well, the last question, I promisse :P
# [07:52] <paul_irish> i also think elastic layouts was invented purely so css people who don't know javascript could feel like they could master something, albeit inane
# [07:53] <alcuadrado> how do you manage oldIE users without JS? I mean, no modernizr, no html5shim :(
# [07:53] <paul_irish> i don't.
# [07:53] <tw2113> let them suffer?
# [07:53] <paul_irish> i also don't manage netscape 7, ie5.5, or webtv users.
# [07:54] <alcuadrado> haha, that's true
# [07:54] <tw2113> haha, webtv
# [07:54] <tw2113> webtv is so first .com burst
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# [07:54] <paul_irish> i think you'll come across someone without flash (even on desktop) more than you will an oldIE user without js
# [07:55] <tw2113> i think people buy new computers when a good spyware cleanup would fix them up nicely
# [07:55] <tw2113> so that's an indirect way to get hem on relatively new machines
# [07:55] <paul_irish> they're just like.. the worst of the worst. and i have no patience to handle them
# [07:55] <paul_irish> also! http://www.enable-javascript.com/
# [07:56] <daveluke> everything i draw on canvas is too big... is this a scale problem?
# [07:56] <paul_irish> sounds like it
# [07:57] <daveluke> or is fillRect's params not in pixels
# [07:57] <alcuadrado> great, I just would leave a message to enable-javasript.com/es :)
# [07:57] <alcuadrado> daveluke, I got a similar problem, and it was because I was ignoring the height and width attributes of canvas, which are not the same as css width and height
# [07:58] <daveluke> i see
# [07:58] <paul_irish> yes always define a canvas elem's height/width inline
# [07:58] <paul_irish> good call alcuadrado
# [07:58] <daveluke> works now, alcurado.. thanks!
# [07:58] <daveluke> alcuadrado ^
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# [07:59] <alcuadrado> that's pretty confusing, it took me a long time to realize that :(
# [08:00] <alcuadrado> well, thanks for your help guys! going to sleep now <3
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# [08:20] <niftylettuce> wooo wooo to HTML5 ie6/7/8 classes
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# [12:51] <jetienne> anybody played with filesystem API to cache content ? a more oriented cache than the usual browser cache
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# [12:58] <Khamoushe> http://www.mediafire.com/?ddbye5r3p3htwba
# [13:03] <Khamoushe> http://www.mediafire.com/?ddbye5r3p3htwba the best of best
# [13:03] <Khamoushe> http://www.mediafire.com/?ddbye5r3p3htwba the best of best
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# [15:50] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish: FYI: Chrome dev on Vista doesn't have the mouse hover glow on tabs either.
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# [16:12] <Neiluj> what would be the best way to tell an <input type="number"/> to be/behave/show like an integer or float ? I thought about using the step attribute
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# [16:44] <Neiluj> wtf 1.1%1
# [16:44] <Neiluj> js really sucks in calculation
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# [16:53] <davidmurdoch> ?eval 0.1 * 0.2
# [16:53] <bot-t> davidmurdoch: 0.020000000000000004
# [16:54] <davidmurdoch> computerz R dumb
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# [16:54] <davidmurdoch> http://floating-point-gui.de/
# [16:54] <jetienne> stop playing with float :)
# [16:55] <davidmurdoch> Decimal numbers cannot accurately represent a number like 1/3, so you have to round to something like 0.33 - and you don’t expect 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.33 to add up to 1, either - do you?
# [16:56] <jetienne> Neiluj: btw those bugs are not specific of js. this is a "limitation" of how current computers handle numbers
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# [16:56] <Neiluj> jetienne: yeah I saw it's the same elsewhere but not with my calculator app ;)
# [16:57] <jetienne> :)
# [16:57] <davidmurdoch> That last sentence is a great explanation of why this happens.
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# [16:59] <davidmurdoch> ?eval 1.1%1
# [16:59] <bot-t> davidmurdoch: 0.10000000000000009
# [16:59] <davidmurdoch> ?eval (1.1*10)%(1*10)
# [16:59] <bot-t> davidmurdoch: 1
# [16:59] <davidmurdoch> :-)
# [16:59] <monteslu> ?eval 1/0
# [16:59] <bot-t> monteslu: Infinity
# [16:59] <monteslu> nice!
# [17:00] <monteslu> ?eval (1/0)+1
# [17:00] <bot-t> monteslu: Infinity
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# [17:01] <davidmurdoch> are you trying to kill us all?
# [17:01] <monteslu> yeah, but was foiled
# [17:01] <monteslu> againe
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# [17:39] <davidmurdoch> Is there anyway to :target 2 elements at once? Like say, a tab and its contents?
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# [17:47] <Lufti_oO> I'm looking for a good API documentation of the functions provided by the html5 canvas element. I've found hell a lot of tutorials only, not a complete API.
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# [17:49] <Neiluj> davidmurdoch: I would say no
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# [17:50] <davidmurdoch> well then, :target is incredibly limited, IMO
# [17:51] <davidmurdoch> Adjacent sibling combinator to the rescue.
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# [18:23] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: validator was already updated. there is now an option to downgrade vendor prefixes to a warning
# [18:23] <paul_irish> updated maybe.. 2-3 weeks ago
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# [18:25] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: thanks
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# [18:26] <paul_irish> #nobigdeal but it was jens meiert and another google engineer who made it happen. :D
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# [18:27] <chriseppstein> those google people
# [18:28] <chriseppstein> always doing things
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# [18:28] <nimbupani> ?mlu
# [18:28] <nimbupani> GAH BOTTY
# [18:28] <nimbupani> much like yourself is what I meant chriseppstein
# [18:28] <paul_irish> much like urself.
# [18:28] <chriseppstein> heh.
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# [18:29] <cesarstafe> hello guys
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# [18:30] <cesarstafe> I am starting with html5 lessons, I hope to learn quickly about what is new in html5
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# [18:36] <davidmurdoch> Joel Spolsky of stackoverflow (stackexchange) live: http://www.ustream.tv/launch#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://launch.is/&medium=7194921
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# [18:45] <jamund> /msg themiddleman http://10.0.1.75:6001/shows/
# [18:45] <jamund> whoops!
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# [18:52] <davidmurdoch> buggy but kinda cool: http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/p9K4G/3/embedded/result/
# [18:52] <davidmurdoch> only tested in chrome and for some reason the editor start on line 2 unless you resize the screen
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# [18:56] <paul_irish> dwag
# [18:56] <paul_irish> dawg*
# [18:56] <davidmurdoch> eh. and syntax highlighting isn't working.
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# [19:42] <Neiluj> Chrome mystery : http://zeedev.aaz.fr/webkit-select-bug/ why is the <select> higher on Chrome Win than Mac ??
# [19:42] <Neiluj> I reseted all I know and there's still a difference..
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# [19:46] <paul_irish> speaking of weird chrome bugs http://jsfiddle.net/shm6U/1/
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# [19:47] <Neiluj> found it but I don't like it : -webkit-box-sizing: content-box + height
# [19:48] <Michael> WHat's weird?
# [19:48] <Michael> Works for me
# [19:48] <Neiluj> paul_irish: the ring? :) :)
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# [19:48] <paul_irish> the 3rd input shouldnt be visible
# [19:49] <davidmurdoch> is this related to the autofocus webkit bug?
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# [19:49] <paul_irish> er wait. what. no nevermind
# [19:49] <Neiluj> the focus moves, but the focus ring stays :)
# [19:49] <davidmurdoch> worksforme too
# [19:49] <davidmurdoch> ahh. i see it now
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# [19:50] <davidmurdoch> wonder what spec says about adding an autofocus element to the page after load
# [19:50] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish: did you already know that ACE uses jslint?
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# [19:52] <paul_irish> didnt know
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# [19:56] <davidmurdoch> better: http://jsfiddle.net/musicisair/p9K4G/7/embedded/result/
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# [19:58] <davidmurdoch> Still can't get javascript syntax highlighting to work though. I can't figure out how to get it to look for the webworker script on a different domain.
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# [20:04] <tbranyen> antonkovalyov: hey man
# [20:04] <tbranyen> jshint code is a doozy
# [20:05] <tbranyen> crockford has some nerve talking about code readability!
# [20:05] <antonkovalyov> tbranyen, it is not so bad :-)
# [20:06] <niftylettuce> \o
# [20:06] <tbranyen> haha, what do you think of this? https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues#issue/56
# [20:06] <antonkovalyov> step-by-step debugging is your friend
# [20:06] <antonkovalyov> actually, he rewrote the code using top-down tree technique and it is much better
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# [20:06] <antonkovalyov> but we can't use it because he hardcoded stupid rules like "moving vars to the top" and it is pain in the ass make them optional
# [20:07] <antonkovalyov> tbranyen, i saw that ticket
# [20:07] <antonkovalyov> what does (args.push(commit), args) accomplish? looks like python tuple but js does not have tuples? does it work in all browsers?
# [20:07] <tbranyen> yeah, the comma operater evaluates the left and return the right
# [20:08] <tbranyen> returns*
# [20:08] <tbranyen> so i push on the left and return the actual modified array on the right
# [20:10] <davidmurdoch> wow. I didn't know about the comma operator
# [20:10] <davidmurdoch> cool.
# [20:10] <antonkovalyov> that's pretty awesome
# [20:10] <antonkovalyov> so, works everywhere?
# [20:10] * davidmurdoch searches for code to refactor
# [20:11] <paul_irish> filed the autofocus one https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55063
# [20:12] <paul_irish> works everywhere.
# [20:12] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish: i bet they will merge it with
# [20:12] * davidmurdoch searches
# [20:12] <tbranyen> antonkovalyov: its described in my def guide 4 book
# [20:12] <tbranyen> which is fairly old
# [20:12] <davidmurdoch> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46088
# [20:13] <paul_irish> if ((omg = thing(), !!omg) {
# [20:13] <antonkovalyov> tbranyen, kk
# [20:13] <antonkovalyov> i updated the ticket
# [20:13] <davidmurdoch> F yea!
# [20:13] <paul_irish> thx davidmurdoch
# [20:14] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, why don't you like 'approved'?
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# [20:16] <paul_irish> trying to thing of a better word.....
# [20:16] <paul_irish> 'accepted'
# [20:16] <antonkovalyov> accepted works
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> renamed
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> i like how people are sensitive to name
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> in my next project i am going to use gibberish
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> "marking ticket as 'sakdjaskjhdkashdjkashdjkash'"
# [20:17] <tbranyen> lol
# [20:18] <antonkovalyov> ok, disqus time
# [20:18] <davidmurdoch> use a Chinese characters too. So then they go out of the way to translate it just to find that it is gibberish.
# [20:18] <antonkovalyov> gonna implement some stuff for jshint tonight after work
# [20:18] <antonkovalyov> davidmurdoch, haha
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# [20:30] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i told mickael daniel to drop by here
# [20:30] <nimbupani> yeah def
# [20:30] <mickael_> hey there
# [20:30] <paul_irish> oh haha
# [20:30] <nimbupani> hey mickael_!
# [20:31] <paul_irish> hi mickael_! :) btw nimbu is divya
# [20:31] <nimbupani> yeah :)
# [20:31] <mickael_> yay glad to talk
# [20:32] <nimbupani> woot i am glad you fixed opera issues mickael_ :)
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# [20:32] <antonkovalyov> btw nimbupani since you are devrel at opera now, i need to talk to you about your new parser
# [20:32] <mickael_> :p
# [20:32] <nimbupani> YUZ wat about antonkovalyov!
# [20:32] <antonkovalyov> we might start officially support opera if it is good :)
# [20:32] <nimbupani> OMGG
# [20:32] <paul_irish> mickael_: for headings.. i was thinking.. /docs/#Build-Script#How-it-works or something.. and when build-script.md comes in.. just look for any h1,h2,h3,etc with text roughly similar to whats after the second #
# [20:32] <nimbupani> PLS DO
# [20:32] <mickael_> Your tweet was inspiring
# [20:33] <paul_irish> does that sound reasonable? didnt sound too crazy or difficult to me
# [20:33] <nimbupani> which tweet mickael_ :|
# [20:33] <nimbupani> O I SEE
# [20:33] <nimbupani> hahaha
# [20:33] <nimbupani> :)
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# [20:57] <cesarstafe> people, a basic question, is Html5 supported for all well knowns browsers? I mean, it is supported by IExplorer*, Firefox, Chrome and so on...
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# [20:59] <cesarstafe> in another way, can I use to develop html5 and I can be sure that my apps will work over IExplorer7/8 or Firefox or Chrome?
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# [21:15] <inimino> cesarstafe ⋱ http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When_will_we_be_able_to_start_using_these_new_features.3F
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# [21:17] <tbranyen> awww i was hoping for one of those isitreadyyet.com style sites with a big "NEVER"
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# [21:40] <grantg> paul_irish: Why is the bug still open? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=59367#makechanges
# [21:41] <grantg> I saw this bug in chrome 8 dev. :/
# [21:41] <nimbupani> FIX IT paul_irish!
# [21:42] <grantg> lol
# [21:43] <grantg> nah, I'm just curious to why it seems like a stubborn bug.
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# [21:44] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/NlVpZ.jpg
# [21:44] <grantg> so true
# [21:44] <nimbupani> :)
# [21:47] <davidmurdoch> sigh, I <3 CSS gradients
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# [21:48] <Jayflux> can the data tag be used today? or is it not fully compatible with browsers at the moment?
# [21:48] <Jayflux> im currently using the rel attribute to hold data
# [21:48] <miketaylr> data-* attribute?
# [21:48] <Jayflux> yes
# [21:48] <grantg> heh
# [21:48] <miketaylr> you can use it, yes.
# [21:49] <davidmurdoch> and look at jQuery's data methods
# [21:49] <miketaylr> elm.dataList not so much, but .getAttribute() works fine
# [21:49] <Jayflux> is it fully supported? most of our audience use older browsers and ie
# [21:49] <miketaylr> define fully supported?
# [21:49] <miketaylr> will it break browsers? nope.
# [21:49] <Jayflux> i already know about jquery's data methods, which was the reason i came here before using it
# [21:49] <davidmurdoch> data-* is just an attribute right now nothing fancy.
# [21:49] <Jayflux> cool
# [21:50] <davidmurdoch> which is why getAttribute will work if you don't use jQuery or similar
# [21:50] <Jayflux> i suppose as long as jquery see's it, it doesnt matter about the browser?
# [21:50] <davidmurdoch> 8675309
# [21:52] <davidmurdoch> pretty much the browser doesn't care. Just don't go putting quotation marks or equal signs or other weird characters in your data-attribute names. :-)
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# [22:07] <Jayflux> thanks davidmurdoch
# [22:07] <Jayflux> and miketaylr
# [22:07] <miketaylr> np
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# [22:26] <davidmurdoch> Is there anyway to prevent the browser from scrolling when the hash is changed to an the id of an element in the document?
# [22:27] <davidmurdoch> any way*
# [22:27] <grantg> http://i.min.us/il7Kos.png
# [22:27] <grantg> oh 4chan
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# [22:28] <davidmurdoch> some context to my last question: <a href="#section">Link</a><div id="section">Hello</div>
# [22:29] <davidmurdoch> If the page that HTML is scrollable the browser with jump to that section when the link is clicked, even if the element is already visible in the viewport. which sucks.
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# [22:31] <davidmurdoch> any ideas?
# [22:34] <daleharvey> $(window).bind("hashchanged", function (e) { e.preventDefault(); }); ?
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# [22:34] <amixdi> Hello. Someone familiar with Wordpress here?
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# [22:34] <daleharvey> you probably dont want to fight against browser actions like that though, cant you just changes the url / id?
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# [23:12] <monteslu> does that popup an alert on a server somewhere?
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# [23:25] <davidmurdoch> monteslu: probably not.
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