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- # [00:01] <tw2113> i could probably get by with nth-child on that topic
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- # [00:15] <tw2113> crap...just redid what locked up my other computer the first time
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- # [01:23] <daleharvey> oh snap, webgl on android
- # [01:23] <daleharvey> thats awesome
- # [01:24] <Moo-_> daleharvey: where? where?
- # [01:24] <Moo-_> not on my android, definitely :)
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- # [01:25] <daleharvey> paul_irish: if you could do one thing for me I would officially become a life long member of your fanboys club, remote debugging the default mobile browser with web inspector
- # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i am really liking this vampire weekend
- # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> damn you hipsters
- # [01:25] <nimbupani> HAHAHAHA
- # [01:25] <nimbupani> you will soon be a hipster
- # [01:25] <daleharvey> Moo-_: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/developerworld/2011/02/24/webgl-support-in-the-android-web-browser/
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- # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> nah
- # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> i still work out under ratm
- # [01:26] <antonkovalyov> and mindless self indulgence
- # [01:26] <daleharvey> I went to a punk rock show while I was in SF, it was fun
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- # [01:27] <nimbupani> eeyew ratm
- # [01:27] <nimbupani> i indulge once in a while >_>
- # [01:27] <nimbupani> only to regret it in 2 days
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> ?g devonchka is my new fav
- # [01:28] <bot-t> nimbupani, No results found for 'devonchka is my new fav'.
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> oops
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> ?g devonchka
- # [01:28] <bot-t> nimbupani, YouTube - vida y muerte de marcus fenix - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEcKAUEcUo
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> NOO BOTTY
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> soz Devotchka
- # [01:28] <nimbupani> ?g devotchka
- # [01:28] <bot-t> nimbupani, Devotchka - http://devotchka.net/
- # [01:29] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, devotchka is "girl" in russian
- # [01:29] <nimbupani> ooo
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- # [01:36] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: I see the new JSHint.com… awesome man
- # [01:37] <antonkovalyov> thanks
- # [01:39] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: I'm not sure if it's listening to my options; giving me "bad line break" errors when "strict whitespace" is un-checked
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- # [01:49] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: I think I did find a bug, FYI: https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/62
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- # [01:57] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, javascript does not have a block scope, only function scope
- # [01:57] <antonkovalyov> so your x in that example is visible outside for
- # [01:59] <BrianBlakely> Oh, yes, you're right
- # [01:59] <BrianBlakely> I'm not sure why I thought otherwise
- # [02:00] <antonkovalyov> that's a common mistake, and that's why jshint catches it :-)
- # [02:00] <antonkovalyov> there is a request to allow variable shadowing though
- # [02:00] <antonkovalyov> since people sometimes use that
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- # [03:35] <shichuan> paul_irish: wiki page added: https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/wiki/Introduction https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/wiki
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- # [04:12] <Neiluj> somebody already have some weird scroll issue with flexbox ?
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- # [04:12] <marty_> Hi folks. I wonder if anyone could recommend good resources to get the status of html5 storage implementations on mobile browsers?
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- # [04:17] <shichuan> marty_:http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/05/web-storage-portability-layer-common.html
- # [04:17] <Neiluj> damn this is a fucking webkit bug :@
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- # [04:20] <marty_> @shichuan thanks!
- # [04:22] <shichuan> marty_: np :)
- # [04:22] <shichuan> Neiluj: what webkit bug?
- # [04:23] <Neiluj> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15135
- # [04:23] <Neiluj> I'm so angry, it works on FF >:(
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- # [04:30] <cheilmann_> At the SFHTML5 meetup
- # [04:30] <cheilmann_> they need to do one in Santa Monica - SMHTML5 would be fun
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- # [04:36] <Neiluj> paul_irish: didn't see any tickets about this http://zeedev.aaz.fr/chrome-input-disabled-scroll-bug/
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- # [04:56] <Neiluj> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=74115 done
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- # [04:58] <Neiluj> if someone knows a workaround for the webkit+flexbox+bad scroll please TELL ME
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- # [04:59] <Neiluj> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46657 same thing
- # [05:00] <Brodingo> seen this business? http://elderscrolls.com/
- # [05:00] <Brodingo> some html5 goodness
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- # [05:08] <tw2113> darn, gradients aren't able to be applied to borders
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- # [05:15] <grantg> boom!
- # [05:16] <Brodingo> boom
- # [05:20] <grantg> ((0x10 >>18) ^ 0x405) | 0xD
- # [05:21] <grantg> a lot easier than it looks. :P
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- # [05:26] <grantg> bored
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- # [05:39] * lolwut lolololololol
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- # [05:41] <me_gusta> inimino: ^_^
- # [05:41] <inimino> oh boy
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- # [10:46] <jetienne> <input type="file" accept="video/*;capture=camcorder"></input> <- this is standard ?
- # [10:46] <jetienne> and if it is, does it support streaming too ?
- # [10:47] <jetienne> like live streaming
- # [10:48] <jetienne> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-media-capture-20100928/#captureparam
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- # [14:56] <davidmurdoch> sigh
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- # [17:19] <natrixnatrix89> Can anyone please suggest a getting started tutorial to understand all the basics of html5?
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- # [17:30] <Fyrd> natrixnatrix89: http://html5doctor.com/article-archive/ ?
- # [17:30] <natrixnatrix89> thanks
- # [17:31] <natrixnatrix89> im now looking at the html5rocks.com
- # [17:31] <natrixnatrix89> it looks good too..
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- # [17:31] <Fyrd> Yup, certainly.
- # [17:31] <mahen23> paul_irish: hi
- # [17:31] <mahen23> paul_irish: what is the Chrome version you were using for your video?
- # [17:33] <paul_irish> dev channel
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- # [17:33] <mahen23> chrome dev?
- # [17:33] <paul_irish> yess
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- # [17:35] <danielfilho> I'm enjoying chromium actually :D
- # [17:35] <mahen23> paul_irish: i cant see the chanel, just tell me the version
- # [17:35] <danielfilho> It's way faster. Maybe because it's a totally blank instalation
- # [17:35] <mahen23> those debugging features are cool
- # [17:35] <mahen23> but i do not seem to have them in my chrome version
- # [17:36] <paul_irish> ?g chrome dev channel @ mahen23
- # [17:36] <bot-t> mahen23, dev channel - The Chromium Projects - http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
- # [17:36] <paul_irish> most of them are in the chrome beta, too.
- # [17:36] <mahen23> no i mean this video: Google Chrome Developer Tools: 12 Tricks to Develop Quicker
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- # [17:37] <mahen23> what is the version of chrome you were using?
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- # [17:38] <paul_irish> i dont know. but i'm telling you it's a lot more useful to think of chrome as having three versions: stable, beta, dev
- # [17:38] <paul_irish> since those are your only choices.
- # [17:38] <mahen23> am out
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- # [17:38] <paul_irish> am fine with that
- # [17:40] <danielfilho> me too.
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- # [17:44] <uf0> paul_irish: why aren't you using things like <header> <footer> in your html5 template?
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- # [17:44] <uf0> and instead using the classic id="header" type
- # [17:45] <paul_irish> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html#L40-48
- # [17:46] <uf0> oh you changed it
- # [17:46] <uf0> that must of been recent right?
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- # [17:48] <paul_irish> nope
- # [17:48] <paul_irish> been this way since october
- # [17:49] <paul_irish> :)
- # [17:49] <uf0> hmmm.. where did i get that then
- # [17:49] <uf0> scratching head..
- # [17:49] <uf0> alright well
- # [17:49] <uf0> cool
- # [17:49] <dmachi> nice video yesterday paul_irish (or whenever it was posted, i saw it yesterday anyway)
- # [17:49] <paul_irish> yeah, posted/new yesterday
- # [17:49] <paul_irish> thx b
- # [17:51] <Neiluj> paul_irish: saw my request? is h
- # [17:51] <Neiluj>
- # [17:51] <Neiluj> this something possible ?
- # [17:51] <paul_irish> saww it
- # [17:51] <paul_irish> ummmm
- # [17:52] <Neiluj> very useful, often refreshing page to see updates where I could just hit "re-request"
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- # [17:52] <Neiluj> btw, is there some kind of requests repo ?
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- # [18:49] <cheilmann_> Demo for an upcoming smashingmag article - syncing video and conent:
- # [18:49] <cheilmann_> content:
- # [18:49] <cheilmann_> http://isithackday.com/syncing-video/
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- # [18:55] <alrra> codepo8: data- attributes, clever hehe
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- # [19:22] <Dazzled1> hi, is there a place one can ask about WebSockets?
- # [19:22] <Dazzled1> (as I read somewhere they weren't HTML5 anymore :/)
- # [19:23] <Fyrd> Dazzled1: This is the place for HTML5 & friends. That's a friend. :)
- # [19:23] <Fyrd> (though don't ask me)
- # [19:23] <Dazzled1> Fyrd: ah, k, then perhaps here I can find some answers :)
- # [19:24] <Dazzled1> I was wondering if anyone knew what the behaviour should be when a WebSocket is opened, and traffic had occurred, and the client suddenly refreshes
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- # [19:25] <Dazzled1> The client sends a GET HTTP..., and my server answers with the response
- # [19:25] <Dazzled1> but the client shuts down the connection
- # [19:26] <Dazzled1> (and initially it _does_ work, so the parsing of the key et al should be okay)
- # [19:27] <Dazzled1> hmz; I g2g, later
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- # [19:45] <tw2113> ut oh, i recognize the guy in the video on this page http://blog.chromium.org/2011/02/chrome-developer-tools-back-to-basics.html
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- # [19:52] * Fyrd finally watches paul_irish 's dev tools video
- # [19:52] <Fyrd> Nice, I think I learned something!
- # [19:53] <Fyrd> Paul likes to wear blue.
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- # [19:53] <Fyrd> I mean the copy thing, I learned that.
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- # [19:54] <Fyrd> And that I should start creating window.$0 variables to confuse devs.
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- # [20:00] <paul_irish> ahahaha
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- # [20:03] <jetienne> would it be possible a link from google dev tool/resources/frames to proper entry in network... due to devtool overhaul this info seems lost in the ether... or did i miss it ?
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- # [20:11] <cheilmann_> still my fave paul_irish video is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEAMkKfNqw
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- # [20:12] <cheilmann_> and it is amazingly hard to find the video of "paul irish dancing" without discarding a lot of irish dancers
- # [20:13] <paul_irish> hahahaha
- # [20:13] <paul_irish> poor dancers
- # [20:15] <Fyrd> Heh, yeah that one's pretty good.
- # [20:16] <Fyrd> Thankfully the only video on youtube with my dancing in it doesn't mention my name.
- # [20:17] <Fyrd> So my embarrasment is limited to whoever my wife shares it with.
- # [20:18] <cheilmann_> that is a great out-of-context quote :)
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- # [20:19] <Fyrd> Ah...yes. :)
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- # [20:25] <tw2113> who could argue with that video chris
- # [20:25] <tw2113> I wish i could afford to go to conferences
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- # [20:27] <cheilmann_> send in presentation proposals
- # [20:27] <cheilmann_> then they pay your tickets
- # [20:28] <tw2113> hmm
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- # [20:34] <tw2113> i may go with the "earn more" route for awhile
- # [20:38] <zachsmith> hey guys, do you think it would make sense to push all of my DOM updates into requestAnimationFrame, as a performance enhancement for browsers that support it?
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- # [21:01] <uf0> does ie7 need that document.CreatElement fix or is it just ie6?
- # [21:03] <cheilmann_> yes it does
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- # [21:03] <jetienne> i would like an url where i specify the server port and the path... but not the host.... like ":4242/mypath" or something... is that possible ?.
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- # [21:06] <Fyrd> ie8 too btw, uf0
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- # [21:07] <uf0> oh really
- # [21:07] <uf0> umm.. so innerShiv is what fixes that right?
- # [21:07] <uf0> or does modernizer do that as well
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- # [21:09] <paul_irish> jetienne: i dont think so
- # [21:09] <paul_irish> uf0: html5shiv and modernizr fix that
- # [21:09] <paul_irish> innerShiv is for making new elements on the page, after page load
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- # [21:10] <jetienne> paul_irish: ok
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- # [21:12] <uf0> i see
- # [21:13] <uf0> paul_irish: what's the point of role="main" in the html5 team?
- # [21:13] <uf0> template**
- # [21:13] <cheilmann_> screenreaders
- # [21:14] <cheilmann_> aria enabled screenreaders detect what the main part of a document is with that aria attribute
- # [21:14] <uf0> oh
- # [21:14] <uf0> gotcha
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- # [21:54] <tw2113> lawls http://twitter.com/#!/hipsterIE6/
- # [21:55] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hROICu @hipsterIE6: Some people say I'm vulnerable. I prefer to say I'm open-minded.
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- # [23:29] <daveluke> http://socialscorer.com/index.php/mental/auth
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- # [23:30] <paul_irish> Don't Allow
- # [23:30] <daveluke> allow <3
- # [23:31] <daveluke> paul_irish, someone recommended a website to me and it had your name all over it
- # [23:31] <daveluke> you are da man apparently
- # [23:31] <paul_irish> i'm just a dude on the internet.
- # [23:31] * daveluke high fives paul_irish
- # [23:31] <paul_irish> who spends a lot of time on the internet
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- # [23:32] * paul_irish _o/\o_ daveluke
- # [23:33] <BrianBlakely> OK guys, <select>s don't fire a change when you modify the value in JS
- # [23:33] <BrianBlakely> What are we going to do about this
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- # [23:34] <BrianBlakely> Yes, continue thinking
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- # [23:35] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: blur it after you change it
- # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> So focus / modify / blur?
- # [23:35] <paul_irish> sure
- # [23:37] <BrianBlakely> Oh, focus isn't necessary
- # [23:37] <BrianBlakely> Which was all I was doing, formerly
- # [23:37] <BrianBlakely> Thank you, sir
- # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> Wait
- # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> This doesn't solve my problem
- # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> I could just fire the change event in that case >_>
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- # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> It's a tautology
- # [23:38] <paul_irish> terrible idea
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- # [23:39] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Why so?
- # [23:39] <paul_irish> if you want change to fire, you shouldn't fire change.
- # [23:39] <paul_irish> you should fire something else that hypothetically triggers change
- # [23:39] <paul_irish> :D
- # [23:39] <paul_irish> ¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯
- # [23:39] <BrianBlakely> This isn't happening
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- # [23:40] * Moo-_ borrows paul_irish simley
- # [23:40] <BrianBlakely> haha.. oh nelly.. that emoticon
- # [23:40] <paul_irish> it's @jamiew's offishhically but he'd be happy for you to use as well
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- # [23:44] <cheilmann_> That Taiwanese character is part of the Yahoo logo there, too - I always loved that it had a smiley
- # [23:46] <BrianBlakely> cheilmann_: It's Japanese katakana
- # [23:46] <cheilmann_> yeah
- # [23:46] <BrianBlakely> Oddly enough, they never use those characters for emoticons
- # [23:46] <BrianBlakely> Always with the ^_^
- # [23:47] <BrianBlakely> ¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯ dunno why
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- # [23:52] <cheilmann_> Well, for us they are imagery, for others they have a meaning
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- # [23:52] <cheilmann_> you don't want to insult people without knowing it
- # [23:52] <cheilmann_> takes the fun out of it
- # [23:52] <milquetoast> anyone know a good html5 image slideshow that works with images not the same size?
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The end :)