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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 02 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  7. # [00:09] <grantg> We're doomed
  8. # [00:09] <grantg> http://twitter.com/#!/charliesheen
  9. # [00:09] <grantg> :/
  10. # [00:09] <socialhapy> Twitter says there's no such user. Don't blame me. :|
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  12. # [00:10] <grantg> He hasn't tweeted yet, but he already has over 100k followers.
  13. # [00:10] <grantg> :/
  14. # [00:10] <grantg> Getting a hundred more every sec
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  16. # [00:14] <snover> why? dear god
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  25. # [00:26] <grantg> charlie sheen just got 15,000 more followers in the last 4 minutes
  26. # [00:26] <grantg> O_O
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  31. # [00:33] <chromedFiz> bot-t: tell paul_irish that i love him
  32. # [00:33] <bot-t> chromedFiz, Okay.
  33. # [00:33] <grantg> bot-t: tell chromedFix ಠ_ಠ
  34. # [00:33] <bot-t> grantg, Okay.
  35. # [00:34] <grantg> bot-t: tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  36. # [00:34] <bot-t> grantg, Okay.
  37. # [00:34] <grantg> :P
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  39. # [00:35] <paul_irish> ♡
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  41. # [00:38] <paul_irish> thx grant
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  43. # [00:39] <grantg> heh
  44. # [00:39] <grantg> heh
  45. # [00:40] <grantg> chromedFiz: :P
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  47. # [00:46] <chromedFiz> hehe
  48. # [00:46] <bot-t> (12 mins 40 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  49. # [00:46] <bot-t> (7 mins 27 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  50. # [00:46] <bot-t> (7 mins 11 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  51. # [00:46] <bot-t> (7 mins 2 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  52. # [00:46] <bot-t> (7 mins 1 sec ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  53. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 59 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  54. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 47 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  55. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 44 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  56. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 41 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  57. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 39 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  58. # [00:46] <bot-t> (6 mins 36 secs ago) <grantg> tell chromedFiz ಠ_ಠ
  59. # [00:47] <chromedFiz> whoah
  60. # [00:47] <grantg> heh
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  62. # [00:49] <chromedFiz> the bot floodeded
  63. # [00:49] <paul_irish> grantg: dont abuse the bot, brah
  64. # [00:49] <grantg> heh
  65. # [00:50] <grantg> the bot accidentally
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  90. # [01:34] <masondesu> lol, wow just saw the whole "oriental" conversation above. nice.
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  92. # [01:36] <nimbupani> :)
  93. # [01:38] <masondesu> nimbupani: hey, Divya, I was just poking around through the mark up on your site (looks great btw). I noticed you're using HTML5 Shim... I was think about using it on a new site. How do you like it so far?
  94. # [01:38] <nimbupani> oh my site is like relly old
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  96. # [01:39] <nimbupani> its okay i suppose, but if you are also using modernizr you dont need to masondesu
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  98. # [01:40] <paul_irish> we're releasing an update to the shim soon
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  100. # [01:41] <masondesu> nimbupani: yeah, I use HTML5Boilerplate for everything these days, but I don't always end up using Modernizr. Just wondering if Remy's shim was a viable option if I just need to enable some HTML5 tags...
  101. # [01:41] <nimbupani> yeah for sure masondesu
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  103. # [01:42] <masondesu> paul_irish: to which shim?
  104. # [01:42] <paul_irish> "the" html5 shim
  105. # [01:42] <masondesu> haha
  106. # [01:42] <paul_irish> which is the same as the html5 shiv which is the same as the IEPP which is whats in modernizr
  107. # [01:42] <paul_irish> shit's all the same
  108. # [01:43] <nimbupani> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201103/html5_sectioning_elements_headings_and_document_outlines/ sighh
  109. # [01:43] <masondesu> I love it when "the" is in quotes... cause you KNOW its bad ass
  110. # [01:43] <nimbupani> "bad" ass?
  111. # [01:44] <masondesu> yeah... "the" "bad" ass
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  113. # [01:49] <masondesu> nimbupani: whats the sigh for on that article? agree? disagree?
  114. # [01:50] <nimbupani> sigh coz it claims you "HAVE TO" have a heading for a sectioning element
  115. # [01:50] <nimbupani> you dont
  116. # [01:52] <masondesu> gotcha
  117. # [01:52] <nimbupani> and sez avoid using sectioning elements?!
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  119. # [01:52] <nimbupani> why?
  120. # [01:53] <nimbupani> its way too pedantic, which is why I sigh
  121. # [01:54] <masondesu> lol, going to be honest: I just asked my wife, and neither of us knew the correct definition of "pedantic"
  122. # [01:54] <masondesu> I looked it up and the NBC "The More You Know" shooting star just flew over my head
  123. # [01:54] <nimbupani> hahahaha :D
  124. # [01:55] <nimbupani> "overly concerned with minute details or formalisms"
  125. # [01:55] <nimbupani> is what i mean
  126. # [01:55] <Trisox> pff no inspiration today
  127. # [01:55] <Trisox> behh
  128. # [01:56] <paul_irish> http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-3.0.html
  129. # [01:56] <paul_irish> <input type="file" accept="image/*;capture=camera" /> .. device orientation .. and 3d transforms!!
  130. # [01:56] <Trisox> hey paulie
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  132. # [02:01] <masondesu> Riddle me this HTML5 friends: do class names and IDs on elements have "semantic value"... in other words, is it problematic to have class="container_12 push_8 grid_4" versus something more clear like class="navigation" ? I've seen devs argue strongly in either direction.
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  137. # [02:10] <paul_irish> masondesu: user agents are specifically instructed to ignore classes and ids for semantic purposes
  138. # [02:11] <paul_irish> so yeah its pretty okay :)
  139. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, what browser do you use?
  140. # [02:12] <nimbupani> Opera antonkovalyov :)
  141. # [02:12] <nimbupani> WHAT DOUBT YOU HAVE
  142. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> oh good
  143. # [02:12] <antonkovalyov> finally found somebody who actually uses opera :D
  144. # [02:13] <antonkovalyov> how is your disqus experience? :)
  145. # [02:13] <nimbupani> have not used much of it, but its not bad, you would have been hounded if it was bad :P
  146. # [02:13] <antonkovalyov> haha
  147. # [02:13] <antonkovalyov> ok, cool
  148. # [02:14] <nimbupani> i will ping you if I find anything screwy
  149. # [02:14] <nimbupani> but mostly have not come across any yet.
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  151. # [02:15] <antonkovalyov> ok cool
  152. # [02:15] <antonkovalyov> ty
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  156. # [02:24] <masondesu> paul_irish: thanks
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  172. # [03:05] <tw2113> evening miketaylr
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  179. # [03:12] <miketaylr> hey tw2113
  180. # [03:13] <tw2113> how's it goin
  181. # [03:13] <miketaylr> pretty good, trying to get a bot goin'
  182. # [03:13] <tw2113> cool
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  198. # [03:32] <brdma_> Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not HTML5 (specifically the canvas) is a suitable environment for cross-browser games? 2D, non-animated games specifically.
  199. # [03:33] <chromedFiz> any of you guys ever use kodingen?
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  203. # [03:37] <tw2113> mozilla.com is the corporate site right? with .org being more community?
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  229. # [05:10] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: you don't wanna do that typewithme:?
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  231. # [05:12] <tw2113> if i really wanted to focus on becoming a true frontend web developer in 2011, javascript is pretty much a must, isn't it
  232. # [05:13] <SteveGL> I'd say so.
  233. # [05:13] <tw2113> especially if i want to interact with data
  234. # [05:14] <tw2113> APIs and whatnot
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  240. # [05:22] <snover> if you want to focus on becoming a true web developer in 2015, javascript is a must
  241. # [05:22] <snover> not just frontend
  242. # [05:24] <tw2113> i've come to realize just recently, that too many smaller end client sites are going to drive me nutty over time, too much pandering to them and not enough doing what I want etc
  243. # [05:25] <tw2113> at least ones that are likely going to want support for as many "potential" customers as possible
  244. # [05:25] <tw2113> aka pixel pushing
  245. # [05:26] <SteveGL> A lot of major websites can't function anymore without JS enabled to begin with.
  246. # [05:26] <snover> gawker, lol.
  247. # [05:26] <tw2113> and i managed to fall under the umbrella of pushing forward and not feeling bad about leaving a few people behind
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  249. # [05:28] <SteveGL> it happens, some people stay behind because they fear change, or they like their current infrastructure, or they think it'll cost to much.. Not moving forward, however, will increase the cost and complexity to upgrade later down the road.
  250. # [05:30] <tw2113> i may just be more desiring to help innovate
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  259. # [05:45] <paul_irish> niftylettuce: i do.
  260. # [05:45] <paul_irish> i'd rather skype it though
  261. # [05:46] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: that'd be slick, would you be free tomorrow or Thursday? I'm EST time zone
  262. # [05:46] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I have an idea I wanna run by you to get some feedback too :)
  263. # [05:46] <paul_irish> can we tonight?
  264. # [05:47] <paul_irish> i got 14 minutes rite now
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  266. # [05:47] <niftylettuce> yea let me see if my webcam is workin
  267. # [05:47] <niftylettuce> wasn't when I tried with xonecas
  268. # [05:47] <niftylettuce> whats your skype
  269. # [05:47] <paul_irish> sexychat
  270. # [05:48] <niftylettuce> lmk if you got invite
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  272. # [05:48] <jdalton> u skype from the waist down
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  287. # [06:30] <paul_irish> shichuan: are you on skype
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  289. # [06:33] <shichuan> paul_irish: i do have a skype acc though dont use it often, why?
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  293. # [06:39] <chromedFiz> skype has sucked lately since the downtime
  294. # [06:40] <chromedFiz> used to be #1 for reliability now peple dont show online when they are and messages dont get delivered sometimes
  295. # [06:40] <chromedFiz> supernodes my ass
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  297. # [06:41] <chromedFiz> super chodes maybe
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  301. # [06:45] <tw2113> we should go back to yelling at each other in real time
  302. # [06:45] <tw2113> stick our heads out windows and shout loudly
  303. # [06:46] <tw2113> not my fault i can't yell acros the atlantic
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  305. # [06:51] <chromedFiz> thats so retro
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  328. # [08:01] <paul_irish> http://canweshipyet.com/
  329. # [08:04] <thatryan> whats a hard blocker
  330. # [08:05] <nimbupani> shichuan: are we on?
  331. # [08:07] <paul_irish> thatryan: a bug that blocks the release from shipping
  332. # [08:10] <thatryan> how can you tell if it is one? something like, obviously broken?
  333. # [08:12] <paul_irish> mozilla decides if its something they want to delay FF4 final for
  334. # [08:12] <paul_irish> judgement call.
  335. # [08:13] <shichuan> nimbupani: yea, i am ok to chat now :)
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  378. # [11:13] <dpy> guys, does anyone see why I don't receive any transitionend events here: http://jsbin.com/edide4/9
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  383. # [11:36] <paul_irish> ?mdc transitionend
  384. # [11:36] <bot-t> paul_irish, CSS transitions - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/CSS_transitions
  385. # [11:36] <paul_irish> dpy: look at the table at the bottom
  386. # [11:37] <dpy> tnx
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  388. # [11:38] <dpy> and... why am I not surprised that MS is not implementing it, not even in IE9 :P
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  401. # [12:39] <Neiluj> hello amigos
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  403. # [12:46] <samot> sup brethren
  404. # [12:46] <samot> what a long day
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  406. # [12:53] <daleharvey> wait
  407. # [12:53] <daleharvey> when using push / pop state, is there no way to intercept users pressing a url and managing it without a page reload?
  408. # [12:55] <daleharvey> so I have <a href="/my/url"> I would need to go through all of those and manually add onclick=pushstate(/my/url)
  409. # [12:57] <Dorward> daleharvey: jQuery('a').click(function (e) { pushstate(this.href); /* yadda yadda */ });
  410. # [12:58] <Dorward> daleharvey: Or whatever way you want to add an event to all anchors. You certainly don't need to use onclick attributes or do it manually.
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  412. # [12:58] <daleharvey> by manually I did mean make jquery go through them all, that kinda sucks though
  413. # [12:58] <Dorward> You don't even need to automatically loop through them all; you can bind an event to the document object.
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  438. # [14:56] <brdma> Looking for any and all opinions... Is HTML5's canvas supported well enough by major browsers to make it a viable option for basic 2d non-animated games? By "well enough" I mean that most major browsers will render it with current compatibility js libraries out there.
  439. # [14:56] <brdma> Obviously saying just "canvas" is vague, but take that as you will.
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  473. # [16:31] <serio> does sessionStorage expire?
  474. # [16:32] <jetienne> serio: yes
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  477. # [16:34] <jetienne> serio: it will expire when you close the tab
  478. # [16:34] <jetienne> serio: like cookie
  479. # [16:34] <serio> no, you can set expiry dates for cookies...
  480. # [16:34] <serio> so the data holds for a certain amount of time.
  481. # [16:35] <serio> I don't think the same applies to seesionStorage though
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  483. # [16:36] <jetienne> serio: i was trying to make it simple
  484. # [16:38] <jetienne> User agents should not expire data from a browsing context's session storage areas, but may do so when the user requests that such data be deleted, or when the UA detects that it has limited storage space, or for security reasons. <- the not-simple version from http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#the-sessionstorage-attribute
  485. # [16:39] <jetienne> serio: is that better ?
  486. # [16:40] <serio> hah, yah man, thanks
  487. # [16:49] <cgcardona> how is chrome support for drag and drop?
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  495. # [17:10] <jetienne> cgcardona: http://www.html5rocks.com/tutorials/dnd/basics/
  496. # [17:10] <jetienne> cgcardona: like that
  497. # [17:10] <cgcardona> jetienne: :D
  498. # [17:10] <cgcardona> \0
  499. # [17:10] <cgcardona> *\o
  500. # [17:12] <tw2113> if i come off mopey at all for the next unforseen future, ignore it
  501. # [17:15] <cgcardona> tw2113: what up?
  502. # [17:15] <tw2113> i suffered a job axe
  503. # [17:15] <cgcardona> turn that frown :( upside down :D
  504. # [17:16] <cgcardona> sad to hear that - one door closes another door opens my friend - they don't know who they just lost
  505. # [17:16] <cgcardona> do you have any leads?
  506. # [17:16] <tw2113> nope
  507. # [17:18] <cgcardona> do you have an online resume?
  508. # [17:18] <tw2113> i'll have to update it and put it up again
  509. # [17:18] <cgcardona> yeah - i just got back to cali from kauai and have been tweaking mine as well
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  517. # [17:31] <jetienne> im available since monday too, just in case
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  522. # [17:50] <jetienne> a webworker can do a websocket?
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  526. # [17:53] <brdma> tw2113: Sorry to hear that. I went through the same thing in August 2009.. took me 6 months to find work, but it worked out for the best in the end. Landed what I would consider to be my dream job, and I hope to be here until I retire.
  527. # [17:54] <brdma> What line of work are you in?
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  529. # [17:54] <tw2113> front end development, so a lot of html/css/some jquery when i can get it to work
  530. # [17:54] <tw2113> WordPress is a good one
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  532. # [17:55] <brdma> And you were axed from a position as a front end developer?
  533. # [17:55] <jetienne> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-workers/current-work/#a-worker-for-updating-a-client-side-database this one seems to say websocket are ok
  534. # [17:55] <tw2113> yeah
  535. # [17:55] <tw2113> business decision stuff
  536. # [17:55] <brdma> Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking
  537. # [17:55] <tw2113> South Dakota
  538. # [17:55] <tw2113> more or less, my position was removed
  539. # [17:55] <tw2113> so it's like fired but not at the same time
  540. # [17:56] <brdma> Yeah, totally understand.
  541. # [17:56] <brdma> Is there a decent job market for web developers in SD? I know it is a sparsely populated state.
  542. # [17:57] <tw2113> guess I'll find out again, i kind of stopped paying attention after september
  543. # [17:58] <brdma> Ever considered moving to Denver? I heard it was the Mecca for tech jobs in the Midwest.
  544. # [17:59] <tw2113> hadn't given it too much thought, to be honest, but that's mostly because i never feel like i can afford to move
  545. # [18:00] <brdma> Well listen, the last thing I'll say about it is that I know what you're going through and it isn't fun. If you are going through what I did, food won't taste the same, and the world around you seems pretty lousy. It will get better.
  546. # [18:01] <tw2113> the only real way it'll feel like a blow, is the fact that it took me 3.5 years to find work after college, and then i finally get one and am pretty well happy with it, only to have it cut
  547. # [18:02] <brdma> How long were you there for?
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  549. # [18:02] <tw2113> since september
  550. # [18:03] <brdma> And I assume you already made the necessary calls to get yourself some unemployment... if not, don't wait.
  551. # [18:03] <brdma> (assuming you are eligible)
  552. # [18:04] <tw2113> it was not a huge company, less than 5 people, but i did get some help to cover me for a bit
  553. # [18:04] <brdma> But have you called the Department of Labor for your state to collect unemployment?
  554. # [18:04] <tw2113> nope
  555. # [18:04] <tw2113> hadn't thought of that
  556. # [18:04] <brdma> Throw them a call.
  557. # [18:05] <brdma> They will tell you if you are eligible to collect or not.
  558. # [18:05] <tw2113> definitely look into it
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  560. # [18:09] <brdma> http://dol.sd.gov/ui/uibenefitseligibility.aspx > The only question in your case would be the length of employment, but I don't think that'll be an issue.
  561. # [18:10] <tw2113> thanks
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  570. # [18:20] <tw2113> maybe i could become a bit of a newt evangelist :)
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  576. # [18:31] <Greko> Hey can someone try access this page and check if the label (the black bordered thing) set the tick on the radio button in IE? If someone have a problem, it would be great to hear some comments. Again if it works for everyone just msg "it works" thanks all for your efford
  577. # [18:31] <Greko> the link is http://24sober.ru/test/order.html
  578. # [18:33] <Greko> Even if it doesn't work for someone just msg "it doesn't work for me"
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  581. # [18:34] <Dazzled> anyone knows a good channel regarding c++ sockets?
  582. # [18:34] <Dazzled> I need it as part of my WebSocket implementation
  583. # [18:34] <shachaf> Dazzled: I think sockets are a typically an OS thing.
  584. # [18:35] <shachaf> Or maybe a library thing.
  585. # [18:35] <Dazzled> yeah, but the #ubuntu channel is general
  586. # [18:35] <shachaf> Whatever they are, they're not an Ubuntu-specific thing. :-)
  587. # [18:36] <Dazzled> I'm looking to debug some odd behaviour
  588. # [18:37] <Dazzled> my server sends my messages out in bursts
  589. # [18:37] <Dazzled> instead of sending it out as soon as het received it from the other thread
  590. # [18:38] <Dazzled> and my guess is either the threading is causing it, or the select() is causing it
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  592. # [18:38] <shachaf> Dazzled: Are you sending many small messages and hoping for them to arrive immediately, but instead are seeing them buffered and sent several at a time?
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  594. # [18:39] <Dazzled> shachaf: hmmm, could it be the send holds the queue until it has "enough" ?
  595. # [18:39] <shachaf> Dazzled: This might be the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle's_algorithm
  596. # [18:39] <Dazzled> the answer to your question is yes btw
  597. # [18:39] <shachaf> If so see TCP_NODELAY to disable it.
  598. # [18:40] <Dazzled> it sends out the number of users
  599. # [18:40] <Dazzled> eg "numUsers:6"
  600. # [18:40] <Dazzled> I remember something like that, thanks!
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  606. # [18:48] <paul_irish> the HTML Parse Errors are being removed from Chrome.. In case you don't like 'em. :)
  607. # [18:52] <tw2113> yay!
  608. # [18:53] <dEVOted> paul_irish: will there be an option to turn them on or something? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but aren't they a kind of important piece of the dev tools?
  609. # [18:53] <paul_irish> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/79816
  610. # [18:54] <paul_irish> its temporary
  611. # [18:54] <dEVOted> oh, ok. nevermind then ;)
  612. # [18:59] <thatryan> OMG IPAD2 SO CLOSE lol
  613. # [19:03] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/GoogleWebTeam
  614. # [19:03] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hu1vUl @GoogleWebTeam: We are the Google Webmaster Team. We design, develop, optimize and maintain Google’s web pages. And now we’re on Twitter.
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  646. # [19:54] <brdma> I'm playing around with the design of a tile based game (think checkers/chess). What would be the proper HTML element to use to describe the actual game board. Would section be the most logical?
  647. # [19:57] <brdma> Possibly div? And on the same note, what would be the proper HTML element to use for individual tiles?
  648. # [19:58] <Greko> Question about IE. Is label tag works on images too or just on text?
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  655. # [20:13] <paul_irish> Greko: tbh i havent tried but i bet it works fine on images
  656. # [20:13] <paul_irish> brdma: i dont think any elements are great matches. though some ARIA roles might be more appropriate. look into those
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  669. # [20:44] <danbeam> anybody here using HTML5 with multiple formats/containers for their own sites (you can't count YouTube, paul_irish)?
  670. # [20:45] <paul_irish> who isn't?
  671. # [20:45] <danbeam> :%s/formats/codecs/g
  672. # [20:45] <paul_irish> yayquery.com has been for many months.
  673. # [20:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: cool, all 3 formats recommended by Mark Pilgrim?
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  675. # [20:45] <paul_irish> yes
  676. # [20:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: with Flash fallback?
  677. # [20:45] <paul_irish> yes
  678. # [20:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: isn't that a headache, or are you using a service/process?
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  680. # [20:47] <paul_irish> miro video convertor + video for everybody (or videojs)
  681. # [20:47] <paul_irish> it's pretty ez
  682. # [20:49] <danbeam> paul_irish: cool, Miro's a GUI for ffmpeg that only works on OS X / Windoze, so I can't really use that much, and "Video for everybody" is just a <video> with multiple sources and an <object> flash fallback, yeah?
  683. # [20:50] <paul_irish> ya
  684. # [20:50] <danbeam> paul_irish: the slightly harder part (in my mind) is transcoding to MP4, OGG, and WebM
  685. # [20:50] <paul_irish> danbeam: http://paulrouget.com/e/funwithwebm
  686. # [20:50] <danbeam> paul_irish: but I think I just thought of a way to do it painlessly
  687. # [20:50] <jetienne> http://transloadit.com <- danbeam if you got issue doing transcoding
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  713. # [21:38] <syskk> is there anyway to tell whether geolocation is shared by the browser
  714. # [21:38] <syskk> something like navigator.geolocation.isShared()
  715. # [21:39] <syskk> maybe i can use the timestamp
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  721. # [21:53] <Moo-_-_> syskk: shared in what sense?
  722. # [21:55] <syskk> Moo-_-_: I mean I want to know if the callback was triggered because the user clicked on "share position" in the browser or if it was automatically triggered because the user previously shared it and checker Always share with this website
  723. # [21:55] <Moo-_-_> ah
  724. # [21:55] <Moo-_-_> that would be useful information indeed
  725. # [21:55] <Moo-_-_> try asking #whatwg
  726. # [21:55] <Moo-_-_> the specification people
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  728. # [21:58] <syskk> yep
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  737. # [22:08] <hydrozen> Hi. Just wondering, if you have a document with xhtml transitionnal doctype, you technically can't use the <video> tag even if the browser supports it right?
  738. # [22:08] <BrianBlakely> Hey guys, giving a talk in NYC tonight on doing graphical coolness in IE<9
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  740. # [22:08] <grantg> microsoft, your argument is invalid: http://people.mozilla.org/~jmuizelaar/fishie/fishie-gl.html
  741. # [22:08] <BrianBlakely> Please come and do some community crap hosted by TheLadders.com: http://www.meetup.com/refreshnyc/events/16247095/
  742. # [22:09] <BrianBlakely> Or if you want to join in remotely: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/683985954
  743. # [22:09] <grantg> heh
  744. # [22:09] <BrianBlakely> grantg: That's awesome
  745. # [22:09] <grantg> BrianBlakely: Noticed how I do gradients in IE6/7/8?
  746. # [22:10] <grantg> and blit in IE8
  747. # [22:10] <BrianBlakely> grantg: No
  748. # [22:10] <grantg> via putImageData emulation via BMP data uri
  749. # [22:10] <grantg> heh
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  751. # [22:10] <grantg> BrianBlakely: Why http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ works just *barely* in IE8
  752. # [22:10] <grantg> no VRML in there
  753. # [22:11] <grantg> all raw imaging being blitted
  754. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> In the fishtank demo?
  755. # [22:11] <grantg> no, the GBC emu
  756. # [22:11] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/other/BMPCanvas.js
  757. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> Ooooh
  758. # [22:11] <grantg> that's the lib I wrote
  759. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> That's interesting
  760. # [22:11] <BrianBlakely> I'll check it out
  761. # [22:11] <grantg> Really should be a separate lib on github
  762. # [22:12] <grantg> lets use blit a raw array as an image in IE8
  763. # [22:12] <grantg> *lets you
  764. # [22:12] <BrianBlakely> grantg: That's really cool, you should fork ExplorerCanvas
  765. # [22:13] <grantg> heh
  766. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> grantg: Because it has stagnated
  767. # [22:13] <grantg> ExplorerCanvas has *buggy* stapled all over it
  768. # [22:13] <grantg> VRML, ewww
  769. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> grantg: Indeed. I am recommending Raphaël in my talk
  770. # [22:13] <grantg> Chrome can do want microdon't
  771. # [22:14] <grantg> Chrome can do what microdon't
  772. # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> snap
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  776. # [22:14] <grantg> Damn, I can't type for shit
  777. # [22:15] <grantg> BrianBlakely: See https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/other/BMPCanvas.js#L56
  778. # [22:15] <grantg> IE8 just got some putImageData y'all
  779. # [22:16] <grantg> BrianBlakely: This is better than VRML, because you can draw anything
  780. # [22:16] <grantg> You just have to do a lot of array math in js
  781. # [22:16] <grantg> and compute all your gfx in js
  782. # [22:17] <grantg> heh
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  784. # [22:18] <grantg> The magic is on line https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/other/BMPCanvas.js#L157
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  786. # [22:19] <grantg> FYI, the lib I wrote "tiles", so you can blit images > 32kb in IE8
  787. # [22:19] <BrianBlakely> Doesn't sound like a cakewalk, but it could be a super-valuable polyfill
  788. # [22:19] <grantg> Since IE8 has a 32kb limit on data uris I believe
  789. # [22:19] <BrianBlakely> Performs well?
  790. # [22:19] <grantg> But no limit on how many
  791. # [22:19] <grantg> BrianBlakely: 1 fps
  792. # [22:19] <grantg> :P
  793. # [22:19] <grantg> works though
  794. # [22:19] <BrianBlakely> Oh, ouchies
  795. # [22:19] <grantg> someone could make a google maps replica out of it
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  797. # [22:20] <niftylettuce> \o/
  798. # [22:21] <BrianBlakely> grantg: I like the idea of SVG/VML for Maps
  799. # [22:21] <BrianBlakely> grantg: The vector graphics in the Android version are tops
  800. # [22:21] <grantg> Watch out for the brainfuck inside BMPCanvas.prototype.putImageData
  801. # [22:21] <grantg> heh
  802. # [22:22] <grantg> 5 for loops nested inside each other
  803. # [22:23] <niftylettuce> anyone here ever work with this? http://maps.gstatic.com/intl/en_ALL/mapfiles/250a/maps2.api/main.js
  804. # [22:23] <niftylettuce> need help debugging :S
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  806. # [22:23] <grantg> oh god
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  808. # [22:23] <grantg> de-obfusticate it first
  809. # [22:24] <niftylettuce> somewhere along line null ref is being passed, goog then does a parseInt on it, sends NaN back to us but can't figure out what arg we're passing thats causing it
  810. # [22:24] <grantg> and what are the functions you're using?
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  812. # [22:27] <grantg> gtg
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  814. # [22:27] <niftylettuce> IE is reporting invalid argument line 18 char 205
  815. # [22:27] <niftylettuce> on http://maps.gstatic.com/intl/en_us/mapfiles/api-3/3/11/main.js
  816. # [22:27] <niftylettuce> ?tell grantg IE reporting invalid arg L18 C205 on http://maps.gstatic.com/intl/en_us/mapfiles/api-3/3/11/main.js
  817. # [22:27] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
  818. # [22:28] <niftylettuce> ie7 ^^
  819. # [22:28] <niftylettuce> working in other browsers
  820. # [22:29] <niftylettuce> tested in IE8, FF, Chrome, (your browser here)....
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  862. # [23:52] <nimbupani> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119490 :(
  863. # [23:52] <nimbupani> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119490#c70 rather
  864. # Session Close: Thu Mar 03 00:00:00 2011

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