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  1. # Session Start: Mon Mar 07 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:05] <daleharvey> woot, as you type jshint inside emacs
  4. # [00:06] <daleharvey> http://dropup.net/r6aons-yvx9q8.png.html
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  10. # [00:33] <daleharvey> hmm, sending the jshint options to a server, cant think of the best format
  11. # [00:33] <paul_irish> definitely XML
  12. # [00:34] <paul_irish> jk lol
  13. # [00:34] <daleharvey> well its obviously going to be soap compliant
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  15. # [00:34] <paul_irish> that screenshot is hottttt
  16. # [00:34] <JKarsrud> hell yeah
  17. # [00:35] <daleharvey> so far its been pretty much s/jslint/jshint, but this one needs a bit of work to be "production worthy"
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  21. # [00:52] <grantg> paul_irish: Saw my life flash before my eyes today with an "oh fuck" situation.
  22. # [00:53] <paul_irish> o.o
  23. # [00:53] <grantg> hydroplaned on the highway
  24. # [00:53] <paul_irish> eeesh
  25. # [00:53] <paul_irish> hate that.
  26. # [00:53] <grantg> accident a few cars ahead caused the car in front of my to slam on his brakes completely
  27. # [00:53] <grantg> I had an entire second of an "oh fuck" moment.
  28. # [00:54] <grantg> I'm fine
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  30. # [00:54] <grantg> I slowed down enough before I crashed that the air bags didn't even deploy.
  31. # [00:54] <grantg> still
  32. # [00:55] <grantg> I'm okay and my car wasn't totalled, but it's definitely the worst moment ever.
  33. # [00:55] <grantg> Because I knew I couldn't prevent it for that whole second.
  34. # [00:55] <paul_irish> wow
  35. # [00:55] <grantg> O_O
  36. # [00:55] <paul_irish> glad to hear you're ok
  37. # [00:55] <grantg> thank god for seat belts
  38. # [00:55] <grantg> not even a scratch on me.
  39. # [00:56] <grantg> shaken up though.
  40. # [00:56] <grantg> thankfully the car can even be repaird
  41. # [00:56] <grantg> *repaired
  42. # [00:56] <grantg> Hydroplaning in the car is the worst feeling ever. :/
  43. # [01:00] <grantg> Whole second of fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
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  52. # [01:29] <nimbupani> paul_irish: i have pushed the japanese translation, you could set it up if you like.
  53. # [01:34] <paul_irish> oh yeah
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  66. # [02:22] <thatryan> paul_irish: that code almost worked perfect dude ;)
  67. # [02:22] <paul_irish> wow
  68. # [02:22] <thatryan> lol
  69. # [02:23] <thatryan> well, the fonts part anyway, im going piece at a time.
  70. # [02:23] <thatryan> just acts odd, toggling css fonts toggles both off and on
  71. # [02:23] <thatryan> :D
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  75. # [03:01] <koalayumyum> Ok so I'm trying to use the .ir class with the html5 boilerplate...I can see that the image is there when testing with firebug but it refuses to show
  76. # [03:01] <koalayumyum> http://boxra.com/splash/
  77. # [03:01] <paul_irish> do you have the page online?
  78. # [03:01] <paul_irish> ohgood
  79. # [03:02] <paul_irish> ah cufon.
  80. # [03:02] <koalayumyum> also is cufon killing 'hot pink'
  81. # [03:03] <paul_irish> murdering it.
  82. # [03:03] <paul_irish> :(
  83. # [03:03] <paul_irish> also http://boxra.com/splash/css/images/logo.png
  84. # [03:03] <paul_irish> nimbupani: heh look at the path
  85. # [03:04] <nimbupani> path of?
  86. # [03:04] <paul_irish> css/images/..
  87. # [03:04] <nimbupani> oh
  88. # [03:04] <nimbupani> yeah
  89. # [03:04] <nimbupani> :)
  90. # [03:04] <paul_irish> i like that idea
  91. # [03:04] <nimbupani> yeah me toos
  92. # [03:05] <antonkovalyov> hm
  93. # [03:05] <antonkovalyov> what's so good about css/images?
  94. # [03:05] <paul_irish> its of having /images/ or whatever at the root of your site
  95. # [03:05] <paul_irish> having it inside of the css folder
  96. # [03:05] <paul_irish> the big plus is that your css has less of this : background-image: url(../
  97. # [03:06] <paul_irish> always ../
  98. # [03:06] <antonkovalyov> you mean always without ../?
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  100. # [03:10] <paul_irish> ya
  101. # [03:10] <koalayumyum> well that was easy, thanks =]
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  103. # [03:12] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: can you proofread somethin 4me?
  104. # [03:12] <niftylettuce> just fo feedback
  105. # [03:13] <paul_irish> k
  106. # [03:13] <koalayumyum> I see there is a version of boilerplate by Steve Heffernan for wordpress, would I need to put my custom styles into the style.css file in WP or do I still use the boilerplate css file? How does that work
  107. # [03:16] <paul_irish> i havent used his
  108. # [03:16] <paul_irish> soooooo
  109. # [03:16] <paul_irish> no idea
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  111. # [03:17] <grantg> niftylettuce: ok, you're on.
  112. # [03:17] <koalayumyum> is there a version you have used? His was the only one I saw on github
  113. # [03:18] <paul_irish> koalayumyum: scroll to the bottom https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki
  114. # [03:18] <paul_irish> theres like 6
  115. # [03:19] <koalayumyum> oh wow
  116. # [03:20] <niftylettuce> grantg: yo man
  117. # [03:20] <niftylettuce> grantg: PM
  118. # [03:20] <grantg> niftylettuce: Crazy day
  119. # [03:23] <niftylettuce> grantg: I know, glad ur OK tho
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  151. # [05:30] <grantg> Stay classy Senix
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  166. # [06:35] <_Brun0_> anyone plays with HTML5 canvas? mind to help me find why my sun is so bugged (moon, terrain, stars works but not sun): http://pastehtml.com/view/1dizs7j.html (needs modern browser (and that's for sure not IE))
  167. # [06:42] <tw2113> it almost looks like it's getting cloned then the clone is moved
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  170. # [06:54] <_Brun0_> tw2113: hmmm strange cause I do no clone.. its just pure apinting
  171. # [06:54] <_Brun0_> painting*
  172. # [06:54] <_Brun0_> i do a clearRect() to clear the screen but still doesn't work
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  197. # [07:59] * Topic is 'Welcome, amigos :: Ask any question about html5 & Friends. || Author Spec: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ || Full spec: http://whatwg.org/html5 || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR http://html5homi.es'
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  211. # [08:01] <grantg> woah
  212. # [08:01] <grantg> just hit some weird ass webgl error
  213. # [08:02] <grantg> trying to use texImage2D and it borked on me
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  224. # [08:24] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: check yo inboxxx
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  311. # [14:26] <daleharvey> antonkovalyov (+anyone else familiar with jshint)
  312. # [14:27] <daleharvey> what would be absolutely awesome, is if jshint parsed the options out of the source
  313. # [14:27] <jetienne> about jshint, i use the npm version on the server and got ttrouble pushing options on it... if any body already succeed im a taker :)
  314. # [14:27] <jetienne> moaumoa :)
  315. # [14:28] <jetienne> sync time
  316. # [14:28] <jetienne> daleharvey: do you use the npm version too ?
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  318. # [14:28] <daleharvey> no, just downloaded from the site
  319. # [14:28] <jetienne> how to use the --config i cant make it work
  320. # [14:28] <jetienne> ok
  321. # [14:29] <jetienne> i think jshint should be properly packaged ... maybe rewriting a front end
  322. # [14:29] <daleharvey> I have a node.js server that emacs send source files to and returns hints which are rendered inside emacs :D
  323. # [14:29] <jetienne> nice :) i would love to have that just to remove the "semicolon" comment
  324. # [14:29] <daleharvey> http://dropup.net/r6aons-yvx9q8.png.html
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  347. # [15:53] <speakman> Is there a way to execute a JS function asynchroniously from within a JS script?
  348. # [15:53] <erlehmann> speakman, web workers?
  349. # [15:55] <speakman> erlehmann: wow, looks neat :)
  350. # [15:56] <speakman> Does WebKit implement workers currently?
  351. # [15:56] <erlehmann> :3
  352. # [15:57] <speakman> Yes it does. What an awesome way to utilize multi-core computers in web applications ;)
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  354. # [15:58] <speakman> okay, next question; Is there something similar to "pipes" in JS/html5? Or "inter-threads" communication support?
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  356. # [16:00] <jetienne> speakman: in html5, 'thread' are called WebWorkers. and communicate with postMessage()
  357. # [16:00] <speakman> I'm about to write an web app which is supposed to be working offline too. The app will be fetching data with a regular <form> and push all entries to the server via AJAX. But since it will have to work offline as well, I have to handle server connection problems and save all data entries in some sort of buffer.
  358. # [16:01] <speakman> jetienne: great! :D
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  360. # [16:05] <speakman> is there a particual DOCTYPE for xml type of html5?
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  363. # [16:14] <speakman> hm.. what's the "proper" way of running scripts on startup? similar to jQuery ondomready?
  364. # [16:15] <Moo-_-_> speakman: ondomready
  365. # [16:15] <speakman> hm?
  366. # [16:15] <Moo-_-_> speakman: that's the proper way :)
  367. # [16:17] <speakman> So there is a ondomready event in html5..?
  368. # [16:19] <Moo-_-_> speakman: yes
  369. # [16:19] <Moo-_-_> even before HTML5, I believe
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  371. # [16:20] <Moo-_-_> speakman: try find Mozilla Developer Network article about the matter
  372. # [16:20] <speakman> All I can find is DOMContentLoaded
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  390. # [16:41] <daleharvey> ok I put it up - Get JSHints inside emacs - https://github.com/daleharvey/jshint-mode screenshot @ http://dropup.net/ddli8r-vz8r72.png.html
  391. # [16:41] <daleharvey> ping paul_irish && antonkovalyov
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  394. # [16:47] <yi> Is it possible to add a click event to a line drawn in canvas?
  395. # [16:47] <jetienne> yi: nope :)
  396. # [16:48] <jetienne> yi: you need to get a layer to detect click
  397. # [16:48] <yi> jetienne: thanks.. i didn't wanna spend all day looking something up if you can't do it :p
  398. # [16:49] <yi> jetienne: so if I assign different layers to every line I draw I can detect clicks on each line?
  399. # [16:49] <nimbupani> yi: you can in svg :)
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  401. # [16:50] <daleharvey> yi, you cant in canvas, its a big dumb square
  402. # [16:50] <jetienne> yi: in canvas, you will get a click x,y.... up to you to do the reset
  403. # [16:50] <jetienne> rest
  404. # [16:50] <yi> nimbupani: I think I'm gonna stick with canvas cause I'm already in too deep but thanks!
  405. # [16:50] <jetienne> yi: maybe you should try svg qs nimbupani suggested
  406. # [16:51] <yi> I'll hafta rewrite a bunch of code, but I'll look into SVG to see how much work it'll be
  407. # [16:52] <yi> thanks for the info guys
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  433. # [17:40] <antonkovalyov> hahaha nimbupani
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  435. # [17:40] <antonkovalyov> hipster is american for wanker
  436. # [17:40] <nimbupani> so sad :'(
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  438. # [17:41] <paul_irish> totally untrue.
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  440. # [17:41] <thatryan> paul is a hipster right?
  441. # [17:41] <thatryan> :p
  442. # [17:41] <antonkovalyov> (said two hipsters)
  443. # [17:42] <paul_irish> but .. he's basically the age of a great grandfather so.. how would he ever know?
  444. # [17:42] <nimbupani> hahaha butttt he was like the original hipster ya know?
  445. # [17:42] <thatryan> true dat
  446. # [17:43] <paul_irish> yeah tell him to look at his twitter bg if he's looking for the definition of a hipster
  447. # [17:43] <nimbupani> ROFLZ
  448. # [17:43] <nimbupani> +1000
  449. # [17:43] <thatryan> who are you guys referring to?
  450. # [17:43] <paul_irish> @brucel
  451. # [17:43] <thatryan> oh
  452. # [17:43] <thatryan> lmao
  453. # [17:43] <thatryan> who is that on his bg anyways
  454. # [17:44] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  455. # [17:45] <danielfilho> it's himself on the bg
  456. # [17:45] <danielfilho> but younger
  457. # [17:45] <thatryan> oh my
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  460. # [17:48] <thatryan> anyone getting ipad2?
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  464. # [17:51] <thatryan> LOL https://twitter.com/#!/destroytoday/status/44801259118665728
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  470. # [17:59] <paul_irish> nimbupani: how about now
  471. # [17:59] <nimbupani> now what? paul_irish?
  472. # [17:59] <nimbupani> tweet?
  473. # [17:59] <paul_irish> ya
  474. # [17:59] <nimbupani> yeah sure.
  475. # [17:59] <paul_irish> so impatient i cant wait 20min
  476. # [17:59] <Michael> paul_irish, Are you well versed witht he google maps api?
  477. # [17:59] <paul_irish> no
  478. # [17:59] <Michael> I'm wondering if there is a way to overlay your own images.
  479. # [18:00] <Michael> Ah n/m
  480. # [18:00] <Michael> We went to some seminar a few weeks ago where both Google and MS were showcasing their map apis, and we decided Google was the best
  481. # [18:00] <paul_irish> Pssst! We just put out the 1.0 release candidate: http://html5boilerplate.com/#rc10 Feedback desired ♥
  482. # [18:02] <Michael> Some day I will create a personal site and use that.
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  484. # [18:06] <nimbupani> :D
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  486. # [18:07] <Michael> http://www.maplib.net/map.php?id=13
  487. # [18:07] <Michael> Looks like there is
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  489. # [18:08] <nimbupani> paul_irish: we had a /demo/ on html5boilerplate no?
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  491. # [18:09] <Michael> Except having to sign up to use that makes it null and void
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  493. # [18:10] <paul_irish> nimbupani: demo.ht..
  494. # [18:10] <nimbupani> o right
  495. # [18:11] <thatryan> sweet checking out the new release
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  498. # [18:12] <nimbupani> o sry paul_irish i meant those test files that shichuan made
  499. # [18:12] <nimbupani> elements.html
  500. # [18:13] <paul_irish> http://demo.html5boilerplate.com/demo/elements.html
  501. # [18:13] <nimbupani> probably should remove /demo/ from there :P
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  503. # [18:15] <uf0> is there a site where it shows me all the new html5 block-level elements (only ones that are display: block) ?
  504. # [18:17] <nimbupani> o boy uf0 why would you need that?
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  508. # [18:18] <uf0> I don't need it, I want it
  509. # [18:19] <uf0> it'd be nice to have
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  512. # [18:21] <BMCouto> Does anybody has any idea why geolocation fails on Safari? I've even tried google example and the fail too…
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  514. # [18:22] <Michael> Always works for me
  515. # [18:23] <tw2113> i can't say i've tried
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  523. # [18:29] <thatryan> damn computer needs to stp dying!
  524. # [18:30] <Michael> I wonder if maplib.net is within Google's terms of service. It seems like Google wants you to pay for the ability to use your own imagery.
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  526. # [18:34] <BMCouto> Michael: always worked for you?
  527. # [18:34] <BMCouto> do you have a live example?
  528. # [18:34] <BMCouto> i cant find one (using google maps) that works on safari latest
  529. # [18:34] <Michael> No.. but 2 weeks ago we created a geolocator demo app and it worked in all browsers
  530. # [18:34] <Michael> and on android and iphone
  531. # [18:35] <BMCouto> 2 weeks ago this was working too
  532. # [18:35] <Michael> Ohhh I see.
  533. # [18:36] <danielfilho> not even the air conditioner is working today
  534. # [18:37] <danielfilho> the whole building turned it off
  535. # [18:37] <danielfilho> just because it's carnival.
  536. # [18:37] <danielfilho> oh crap.
  537. # [18:37] <BMCouto> try get this working on safari
  538. # [18:37] <BMCouto> http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/examples/map-geolocation.html
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  540. # [18:38] <swalk> paul_irish: under rc notes in index.html section, an html entity has a typo
  541. # [18:38] <swalk> &rquo;t
  542. # [18:38] <paul_irish> o rly
  543. # [18:39] <paul_irish> so it does.
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  546. # [18:40] <nimbupani> ooops
  547. # [18:40] <nimbupani> thnx swalk
  548. # [18:40] <swalk> np
  549. # [18:42] <BMCouto> anyone has a live example of geolocation working on safari?
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  551. # [18:46] <paul_irish> BMCouto: http://html5demos.com/geo works for me
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  553. # [18:47] <BMCouto> paul_irish: in which safari's version?
  554. # [18:47] <BMCouto> i got Finding your location: failed
  555. # [18:47] <paul_irish> safari nightly
  556. # [18:47] <paul_irish> lemme try stable
  557. # [18:48] <BMCouto> im on Version 5.0.3 (6533.19.4)
  558. # [18:48] <paul_irish> BMCouto: do you get this http://paulirish.com/i/e630.png
  559. # [18:48] <BMCouto> for mac
  560. # [18:48] <BMCouto> paul_irish: i do
  561. # [18:48] <paul_irish> and you hit allow?
  562. # [18:48] <paul_irish> :)
  563. # [18:48] <BMCouto> i allow it and then it fails
  564. # [18:48] <BMCouto> of course lol
  565. # [18:48] <BMCouto> and it fails with err code 2
  566. # [18:48] <paul_irish> Version 5.0.3 (6533.19.4)
  567. # [18:48] <paul_irish> works here.
  568. # [18:48] <BMCouto> POSITION_UNAVAILABLE
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  570. # [18:48] <paul_irish> your computer hates you
  571. # [18:49] <tw2113> anyone want to donate $1 to the "get michael a mac" fund?
  572. # [18:49] <BMCouto> on desktop safari and mobile also
  573. # [18:49] <BMCouto> paul_irish: i've tried on different computers and on different places
  574. # [18:49] <BMCouto> doesnt work on iphone either
  575. # [18:49] <BMCouto> but works perfectly on firefox and chrome
  576. # [18:50] <BMCouto> tw2113: do you want to donate $1 to "get bruno a ferrari" fund?
  577. # [18:51] <tw2113> no, because my find is meant for the better good of the internet, a ferrari is just a pleasure cruise :P
  578. # [18:51] <tw2113> fund*
  579. # [18:51] <Michael> tw2113, lol
  580. # [18:51] <Michael> Funny you said that because everyone teases me for using windows
  581. # [18:51] * Michael needs a mac too
  582. # [18:51] <Michael> Not needs, but wants...
  583. # [18:51] <Michael> To make fun of.
  584. # [18:51] <BMCouto> paul_irish: have you tried on a safari stable version?
  585. # [18:52] <paul_irish> i just did
  586. # [18:52] <paul_irish> told you
  587. # [18:52] <BMCouto> shit
  588. # [18:52] <BMCouto> so should i just burn my mac and iphone?
  589. # [18:53] <BMCouto> and that guy wanted a donation for a mac… poor guy ahah
  590. # [18:53] <BMCouto> stay on windows
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  592. # [18:53] <tw2113> i go for the lowest value per person possible
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  594. # [18:54] <tw2113> $1 isn't all that much
  595. # [18:55] <paul_irish> you should trade a red paperclip for one
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  597. # [18:56] <tw2113> good idea
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  602. # [19:08] <jetienne> q. how to load a .js in browser without running it ? i create a <script> with an unknown type ? any other suggestions ?
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  605. # [19:13] <paul_irish> object tag.
  606. # [19:13] <paul_irish> see also yepnope, which has support for this.
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  612. # [19:24] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: lmk if u had a chance to read ova :)
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  615. # [19:28] <paul_irish> i did! last night
  616. # [19:29] <paul_irish> looked good
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  619. # [19:30] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: tyvm :) :)
  620. # [19:30] <niftylettuce> go #html5!
  621. # [19:30] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: you know
  622. # [19:30] <paul_irish> the # of HTTP requests that disqus uses
  623. # [19:31] <paul_irish> is way to effing many.
  624. # [19:31] <antonkovalyov> hm?
  625. # [19:31] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/1e80.png
  626. # [19:31] <nimbupani> http://www.5o9mm.com/har/viewer/v.pl?path=accounts/5o9/android-03-07-2011-18-19-56-GMT-html5boilerplate-com-rc10.har
  627. # [19:31] <nimbupani> WAY TOO MUCH
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  629. # [19:33] <antonkovalyov> well, 1) we are working on reducing that and 2) "way too much" is relative :-)
  630. # [19:33] <antonkovalyov> also i can see at least two files that are inline
  631. # [19:33] <paul_irish> that's for mobile, too!
  632. # [19:33] <antonkovalyov> they are not http requests
  633. # [19:34] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, mobile uses more :(
  634. # [19:34] <antonkovalyov> that sucks i know
  635. # [19:34] <paul_irish> separate reset.css ?
  636. # [19:34] <paul_irish> its crazytown
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  638. # [19:35] <antonkovalyov> actually
  639. # [19:35] <tw2113> anyone know of some kickass presentations of resumes?
  640. # [19:35] <antonkovalyov> i don't know why reset.css is separate
  641. # [19:35] <antonkovalyov> need to ping benv about that
  642. # [19:36] <antonkovalyov> but don't worry paul_irish / nimbupani — we are working on making it smaller and faster
  643. # [19:36] <paul_irish> tw2113: mine is kickass
  644. # [19:36] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: good!
  645. # [19:37] <paul_irish> you should just like.. make it your new campaign
  646. # [19:37] <paul_irish> I AM GOING TO MAKE THIS SHIT FAST
  647. # [19:37] <tw2113> i already have a boring copy pretty well marked up in hresume/hcard/hcalendar
  648. # [19:37] <tw2113> but now I'm aiming for presentation: kickass
  649. # [19:37] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, well that's pretty much what i do nowadays
  650. # [19:38] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, hence my talk about disqus performance on the next sf web perf meetup :)
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  654. # [19:41] <benv> we're pushing out a bunch of performance fixes this week
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  656. # [19:42] <benv> *taps nose*
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  659. # [19:46] <nimbupani> o neet :)
  660. # [19:46] <nimbupani> can h5bp have the first dibs on them? :P
  661. # [19:47] <niftylettuce> PERFFFF
  662. # [19:47] <niftylettuce> \o
  663. # [19:47] <benv> everyone gets
  664. # [19:47] <niftylettuce> a cookie
  665. # [19:48] <benv> thin mint
  666. # [19:48] <antonkovalyov> yo paul_irish quick question
  667. # [19:48] <paul_irish> k
  668. # [19:49] <antonkovalyov> i don't see any parallelization in this perf
  669. # [19:49] <antonkovalyov> is it android specific or this perf software specific?
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  671. # [19:49] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: http://tee.ly/
  672. # [19:49] <antonkovalyov> like we load most of the files in parallel but according to the perf they all block each other
  673. # [19:49] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: turn up yo sound
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  675. # [19:53] <uf0> paul_irish: what's your reason on having ie classes on <html> rather than <body>
  676. # [19:53] <uf0> ?
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  679. # [19:55] <nimbupani> uf0: we wanted it all in one place
  680. # [19:56] <nimbupani> modernizr also applies classes on html element
  681. # [19:56] <uf0> alright
  682. # [19:56] <Moo-_-_> rah
  683. # [19:56] <Moo-_-_> blocked in my country :(
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  687. # [19:59] <benv> as an aside, i kind of dislike when people show me a netgraph w/ a fresh cache and tell me my app is slow :(
  688. # [19:59] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: good question. maybe the HAR viewer doesnt suppose non-linear waterfalls
  689. # [19:59] <paul_irish> hey ben
  690. # [19:59] <benv> to me that's like saying your hash sucks because its worst-case performance is O(n)
  691. # [19:59] <benv> :)
  692. # [19:59] <benv> (#weakanalogy)
  693. # [20:00] <benv> yo paul_irish
  694. # [20:00] <antonkovalyov> basically
  695. # [20:00] <antonkovalyov> benv dislikes both of you, paul_irish and nimbupani
  696. # [20:01] <paul_irish> i can tell.
  697. # [20:01] <benv> i didn't say that
  698. # [20:01] <nimbupani> :D :D :D
  699. # [20:01] <nimbupani> we are mere messengers
  700. # [20:01] <nimbupani> but we have a view there are TOO MANY FILES
  701. # [20:02] <benv> yeah, i don't disagree
  702. # [20:02] <benv> i was just sharing my pet peeve :)
  703. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/300/images/Leonidas%20and%20Persian%20Messenger%203.jpg
  704. # [20:02] <nimbupani> :'(
  705. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> :D
  706. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> ok sick time
  707. # [20:02] <nimbupani> SO RACIST
  708. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> laters
  709. # [20:02] <nimbupani> bai
  710. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> wtf
  711. # [20:02] <antonkovalyov> haha
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  713. # [20:04] <paul_irish> what is "sick time" ?
  714. # [20:05] <nimbupani> it means he is sick
  715. # [20:05] <nimbupani> and prefers watching videos of portlandia than idling on IRC
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  717. # [20:05] <benv> its like snow day
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  721. # [20:14] <paul_irish> benv: looks like a slightly more trustworthy waterfall http://www.webpagetest.org/result/110307_GX_3Z6Q/1/details/cached/
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  723. # [20:14] <uf0> nimbupani, paul_irish: in your template why do you have 'lang="en"
  724. # [20:15] <uf0> in <html>
  725. # [20:15] <uf0> and is it safe to leave out
  726. # [20:15] <Moo-_-_> uf0: do you know if search engines use this attribute?
  727. # [20:15] <Moo-_-_> or autodetect langauge (I assume google autodetects)
  728. # [20:15] <uf0> Moo-_-
  729. # [20:16] <uf0> I don't know, that's why I'm asking
  730. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> uf0, you always want to define an explicit language
  731. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> If only for screen readers
  732. # [20:16] <benv> paul_irish: again, not disagreeing its too much
  733. # [20:16] <paul_irish> just sharing cuz i was looking at it for something else
  734. # [20:16] <benv> thanks
  735. # [20:16] <benv> er, that sounded bad
  736. # [20:16] <uf0> I see.
  737. # [20:16] <benv> thanks for showing me this :)
  738. # [20:16] <benv> haha
  739. # [20:17] <uf0> thx Ms2ger
  740. # [20:17] <benv> paul_irish: test us again in 3 days! 3 days i say
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  746. # [20:19] <paul_irish> sounds great, said his mate!
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  758. # [21:00] <danielfilho> paul_irish: wtf is that video at the bottom of your webpage?
  759. # [21:00] <danielfilho> hahaha... damn!
  760. # [21:00] <danielfilho> that's awesome! hahaha
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  762. # [21:03] <niftylettuce> ask yoda mmm the force
  763. # [21:03] <niftylettuce> lol use the source luke
  764. # [21:04] <paul_irish> danielfilho: did you draw a star?
  765. # [21:04] <paul_irish> i think you did
  766. # [21:04] <danielfilho> hahaha
  767. # [21:04] <danielfilho> yes
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  769. # [21:10] <paul_irish> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ie6/ What Could Microsoft Do about IE6?
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  771. # [21:16] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell xonecas i want your node.js config!
  772. # [21:16] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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  779. # [21:25] <JonathanNeal> <nav><ul>navigation items</ul><form>search</form></nav> is this still how we roll?
  780. # [21:26] <nimbupani> afaik JonathanNeal
  781. # [21:26] <JonathanNeal> thanks nimbupani
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  783. # [21:29] <JonathanNeal> Apparently there is <input type="search" /> now too.
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  785. # [21:33] <JonathanNeal> What is html5 for developers using offline data for?
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  788. # [21:33] <bfrog> is there a canvas based scene graph besides cake?
  789. # [21:34] <adamnbowen> JonathanNeal, I think the idea is that you can download the whole thing and just use it locally
  790. # [21:34] <adamnbowen> JonathanNeal, but I haven't gotten it to work on my iPod touch (clicking on a link just makes it open safari and try to fetch the remote page)
  791. # [21:34] <JonathanNeal> Oh, they got rid of the keyboard shortcut for search?
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  793. # [21:35] <adamnbowen> JonathanNeal, nope... I still see that shortcut working
  794. # [21:35] <JonathanNeal> Ah, I was just having issues in Firefox 3.6.15
  795. # [21:36] <JonathanNeal> And that '/' key also has built-in functionality in Firefox.
  796. # [21:36] <adamnbowen> JonathanNeal, quite possible, I'm looking at the site in chrome ;)
  797. # [21:39] <JonathanNeal> I'm trying to see where he added that / functionality.
  798. # [21:40] <JonathanNeal> I don't actually see script for that.
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  800. # [21:45] <JonathanNeal> nvm, found it.
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  804. # [22:02] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: i'm gonna pull afarkas' latest iepp into modernizr sometime soon
  805. # [22:02] <paul_irish> did you have any ideas on how to replicate innerShiv functionality?
  806. # [22:02] <JonathanNeal> Goodie goodie gumdrops.
  807. # [22:02] <paul_irish> API wise
  808. # [22:03] <JonathanNeal> Hmm, that's going back to http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-experiments/phase-02.html
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  810. # [22:04] <JonathanNeal> What's wrong with the current innerShiv?
  811. # [22:04] <paul_irish> nothing
  812. # [22:04] <paul_irish> just.. people seem to need it a lot
  813. # [22:04] <paul_irish> and its really small
  814. # [22:04] <JonathanNeal> That's good.
  815. # [22:04] <paul_irish> so i think it should be part of modernizr
  816. # [22:04] <JonathanNeal> But you don't want to straight jack the code?
  817. # [22:05] <paul_irish> Modernizr.shiv() i guess
  818. # [22:05] <paul_irish> i could. maybe we could reuse some of the iepp stuff tho
  819. # [22:05] <JonathanNeal> Yea, it's really useful to have a shimmed document fragment.
  820. # [22:06] <JonathanNeal> It's not too memory intensive AFAIK either.
  821. # [22:06] <paul_irish> yeah
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  823. # [22:06] <JonathanNeal> Forgive the ignorance, but does modernizr already take advantage of a document fragment for tests?
  824. # [22:06] <paul_irish> i dont think so
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  826. # [22:06] <JonathanNeal> Oh, okay.
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  828. # [22:08] <JonathanNeal> It's pretty simple, pretty useful. You just want to return a shimmed fragment when you pass in a string of data.
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  830. # [22:09] <JonathanNeal> Because, appending html5 nodes to unattached nodes is fine, it's only when you do innerHTML stuff that things go haywire.
  831. # [22:09] <JonathanNeal> innerHTML5, hehl.
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  833. # [22:10] <JonathanNeal> I did some evil with this in shimprove, right? http://www.iecss.com/shimprove/
  834. # [22:12] <JonathanNeal> That's like, hijacking api. Hope that helps. Either way, writing a shim to protect innerHTML can be done many fun ways.
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  836. # [22:14] <paul_irish> ah this is what i was looking for.
  837. # [22:16] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: so this is like..
  838. # [22:16] <paul_irish> awesome
  839. # [22:16] <paul_irish> because you dont need to expose an API
  840. # [22:16] <paul_irish> it just hijacks shit and makes it work
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  844. # [22:21] <JonathanNeal> yes
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  852. # [22:40] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I think this app would be best built all in Canvas
  853. # [22:41] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: and then native iphone/android
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