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  48. # [02:10] <xonecas> o/
  49. # [02:10] <bot-t> (4 hours 53 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell xonecas i want your node.js config!
  50. # [02:10] <paul_irish> \o
  51. # [02:10] <xonecas> whats up?
  52. # [02:11] <xonecas> The pull request is there
  53. # [02:11] <xonecas> I think
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  56. # [02:34] <xonecas> nimbupani: you should be ashamed! You whois info is wrong, and I can't unsubscribe!
  57. # [02:35] <xonecas> :-)
  58. # [02:35] <nimbupani> :))
  59. # [02:35] <xonecas> I'm stil laughing from the audio
  60. # [02:35] <nimbupani> inorite its hilarious
  61. # [02:36] <xonecas> cracked me up
  62. # [02:39] <niftylettuce> xonecas: \o ahoy
  63. # [02:40] <xonecas> arrrggghh mateee
  64. # [02:41] <xonecas> niftylettuce: do you know when you're going to get answer from the aplication?
  65. # [02:42] <niftylettuce> xonecas: hopefully sooooooon
  66. # [02:42] <niftylettuce> xonecas: that thing took forever to write
  67. # [02:42] <xonecas> :-)
  68. # [02:42] <niftylettuce> xonecas: even if we dont get accepted, I have an alternate plan
  69. # [02:42] <xonecas> I bet, I rather write pages and pages of code than a single essay
  70. # [02:42] <xonecas> sweet
  71. # [02:43] <niftylettuce> xonecas: yeah we'll make it happen one way or another :)
  72. # [02:43] <niftylettuce> xonecas: we got a kick m'fin team
  73. # [02:43] <niftylettuce> xonecas: ty for all the help, I will keep ya posted matey!
  74. # [02:43] <xonecas> awesome thanks
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  77. # [03:13] <Evet_> there must be a stupid easy tool to build web gui
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  81. # [03:16] <danielfilho> do you guys have some pro-tip, some highlight that I should consider to talk about on a presentation about "why you already can use html5?"
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  83. # [03:16] <aattowers> google progressive enhancement
  84. # [03:16] <danielfilho> i'm talking about yepnope, modernizr, things like that... and all this new browsers that are focusing teams on html5
  85. # [03:20] <danielfilho> new browsers = new versions of browsers.
  86. # [03:20] <danielfilho> :P
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  89. # [03:25] <xonecas> danielfilho: because this is possible now: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/03/webowonder/
  90. # [03:25] <xonecas> Now seriously, explain how tools like modernizr work, and why a developer should use them
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  92. # [03:26] <jrabbit> si there any way to get vibration access on mobile browsers?
  93. # [03:26] <jrabbit> I've seen phonegap but it seems to be overkill
  94. # [03:27] <paul_irish> danielfilho: some stuff in here that might help http://www.slideshare.net/paul.irish/progressive-advancement-by-way-of-progressive-enhancement
  95. # [03:27] <paul_irish> jrabbit: phonegap. unless you want to rip the code out of phonegap and do the rest yourself.
  96. # [03:27] <jrabbit> paul_irish: I don't want a native app though
  97. # [03:27] <paul_irish> well you can't do vibration then
  98. # [03:27] <paul_irish> :)
  99. # [03:27] <jrabbit> distributing apps is too much :\
  100. # [03:28] <paul_irish> agreed
  101. # [03:28] <xonecas> wait a few months for the device api
  102. # [03:28] <digitalfiz> make a simple app thats basically just a portal to a web app with some interaction that can allow vibrating
  103. # [03:29] <jrabbit> xonecas: :(
  104. # [03:29] <jrabbit> Audio will have to work
  105. # [03:29] <jrabbit> but even that sucks on mobile
  106. # [03:29] <xonecas> play a sound "bzzzzz bzzzz" you'll fool them
  107. # [03:29] <jrabbit> hahaha
  108. # [03:30] <jrabbit> I jsut need to notify the users of coutndowns beign done
  109. # [03:31] <jrabbit> phonegap might be an option if people will pay for it
  110. # [03:31] <jrabbit> xonecas: they made a lgoo before a draft?
  111. # [03:31] <jrabbit> :(
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  113. # [03:32] <xonecas> yes they did
  114. # [03:32] <danielfilho_> fyi
  115. # [03:33] <danielfilho_> demos.mozilla.com broke my mac.
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  118. # [03:33] <xonecas> oh no
  119. # [03:33] <danielfilho> freezes everything.
  120. # [03:33] <xonecas> sorry daniel, I'm on a mac and had no issues though
  121. # [03:33] <danielfilho> i waited for 5+ minutes.
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  123. # [03:33] <danielfilho> no problem xonecas
  124. # [03:33] <danielfilho> I accessed it on chrome
  125. # [03:33] <xonecas> daniel its because it doesn't like Brazil, too hot
  126. # [03:33] <xonecas> :-)
  127. # [03:33] <danielfilho> damn, it is.
  128. # [03:34] <xonecas> I wish I still lived in Sao Paulo sometimes
  129. # [03:34] <xonecas> All I get is fog in San Francisco
  130. # [03:34] <danielfilho> it's 19C here. everyone is wearing long sleeves and shaking.
  131. # [03:34] <danielfilho> wanna change?
  132. # [03:34] <danielfilho> 'cause I do.
  133. # [03:34] <xonecas> hahaha, 19C here everyone would be running to the AC
  134. # [03:34] <xonecas> no trade, just come'on over
  135. # [03:35] <xonecas> (follow the trail that comes from the south)
  136. # [03:35] <danielfilho> but I'm afraid of ppl there. they freeze my mac.
  137. # [03:36] <danielfilho> so, what about that website you sent? does it talk about some why html5 is not evil? :D
  138. # [03:37] <danielfilho> actually I need to show people why html5 will work on everywhere... that's why i'm focusing on modernizr and things like it.
  139. # [03:37] <danielfilho> :)
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  141. # [03:38] <danielfilho> just want to make sure i didn't anything passed by. will show to you before I present it.
  142. # [03:38] <danielfilho> oops... I didn't let anything passed by...
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  144. # [03:41] <xonecas> danielfilho: its a really cool set of demos made with html5 :_)
  145. # [03:41] <danielfilho> ah, nice :D
  146. # [03:41] <danielfilho> I'll try to open on firefox, then.
  147. # [03:42] <xonecas> yeah :-)
  148. # [03:43] <danielfilho> i thought i'd never leave ff. but I'm in love with developer tools on chrome.
  149. # [03:43] <xonecas> danielfilho: you can explain about pollyfills and how using them you can bring the web of tomorrow to the browsers of yesterday
  150. # [03:43] <danielfilho> yeah, i'm doing that :D
  151. # [03:44] <xonecas> I don't take sides, we need diversity in the browsers, so that they push each other along the way
  152. # [03:44] <danielfilho> talking about boilerplate too. we need to make paul and divya wealthy soon.
  153. # [03:44] <xonecas> Every time a better browser comes out, we developers win!
  154. # [03:44] <danielfilho> of course! on this browser wars i think developers have only to win :D
  155. # [03:45] <xonecas> give them 10% of every job you use html5boiler
  156. # [03:45] <danielfilho> omg! don't you forget I leave in brazil. and have to give 15% of the final cost of all my projects to the govern.
  157. # [03:45] <danielfilho> :(
  158. # [03:45] <xonecas> outch
  159. # [03:45] <xonecas> Sorry about that :-(
  160. # [03:45] <danielfilho> no problem. I can handle it. I guess.
  161. # [03:46] <xonecas> hummm gorgeous half-naked women, is a good reward for 15% :-P
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  164. # [03:47] <danielfilho> they have eyes only for ppl with more than 5 zeros before the comma.
  165. # [03:47] <xonecas> you are a web developer, you can look like you have 5 zeros before the comma!
  166. # [03:47] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  167. # [03:47] <danielfilho> neat.
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  181. # [04:51] <grantg> Senix: I saw your quit message yesterday.
  182. # [04:52] <grantg> My response back: Falco, where ya going?
  183. # [04:53] <grantg> xonecas: Busy fixing my car, sorry if I left niftylettuce out of the loop.
  184. # [04:53] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/sMrpl.jpg won't fix itself.
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  187. # [04:57] <xonecas> grantg: man what did you do !!!
  188. # [04:57] <grantg> hyrdroplaned on I-95
  189. # [04:57] <xonecas> are you ok? no neck pain?
  190. # [04:57] <grantg> Somebody in front of me had to stomp on his brakes because somebody ahead of me did the same thing.
  191. # [04:58] <grantg> chain reaction accident.
  192. # [04:58] <grantg> :/
  193. # [04:58] <xonecas> damn man. Sorry...
  194. # [04:58] <grantg> I'm ok
  195. # [04:58] <grantg> The frame of the car isn't even bent.
  196. # [04:58] <grantg> And the air bags didn't even go off.
  197. # [04:58] <xonecas> thats good
  198. # [04:58] <grantg> Plus the car's engine still works
  199. # [04:58] <xonecas> it looks worse
  200. # [04:58] <grantg> It just looks like someone hit it with a sledgehammer
  201. # [04:59] <xonecas> so new radiator, front shocks, axels?
  202. # [04:59] <grantg> actually
  203. # [04:59] <grantg> the radiator's fine
  204. # [04:59] <grantg> it was just pushed back
  205. # [04:59] <grantg> nothing except cosmetic damage
  206. # [04:59] <grantg> because the my car was a low-lying car, so my hood got most of the damage
  207. # [05:00] <grantg> *that
  208. # [05:00] <grantg> I almost was able to completely stop, but I wan't able to fully stop in time.
  209. # [05:01] <Senix> grantg; my quit message is awesome is it not?
  210. # [05:01] <grantg> heh
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  214. # [05:04] <xonecas> well good luck fixing it!
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  236. # [06:02] <shichuan> have anyone tried box2d js?
  237. # [06:03] <shichuan> *has
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  242. # [06:08] <bckenny> hihi
  243. # [06:08] <paul_irish> shichuan: ^ box2d expert
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  246. # [06:16] <shichuan> it's quite awesome, wondering how it's converted to js automatically
  247. # [06:17] <bckenny> which version?
  248. # [06:18] <shichuan> on the site it says uses 1.4.3.1
  249. # [06:18] <shichuan> not 2.0
  250. # [06:19] <bckenny> sorry, i mean, which js version?
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  252. # [06:22] <shichuan> 1.8.1?
  253. # [06:23] <bckenny> box2d.js?
  254. # [06:23] <shichuan> https://github.com/madrobby/box2d-js
  255. # [06:23] <bckenny> ah
  256. # [06:24] <paul_irish> whoa thomas did a port?
  257. # [06:24] <paul_irish> did not know.
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  259. # [06:26] <bckenny> it looks like a modified version of box2d.js
  260. # [06:27] <bckenny> to work well with sprockets
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  262. # [06:28] <shichuan> EaselJS is quite nice also
  263. # [06:28] <shichuan> solves a lot problem with default canvas
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  295. # [08:02] <sam0t_> can someone alpha test my app having latency issues -.-
  296. # [08:06] <alcuadrado> tell me how
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  303. # [08:23] <Evet> omg flash to html5
  304. # [08:23] <Evet> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/adobe-outs-experimental-flash-to-html5-conversion-tool-calls-it/
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  308. # [08:40] <paul_irish> i cannot find a single .fla that it can convert.
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  311. # [08:43] <sam0t_> r0flmao
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  315. # [08:45] <tw2113> it's far from perfect, but this could be looking a lot worse http://michaelbox.net/what-i-do/
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  318. # [08:50] <paul_irish> yeah i think this app is a fake.
  319. # [08:51] <tw2113> flash isn't worth the effort
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  321. # [08:58] <shichuan> i think they mentioned it's for simple animation or things like that
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  323. # [09:05] <paul_irish> even at that.
  324. # [09:05] <paul_irish> i'm trying like.. uber-simple demo FLAs
  325. # [09:05] <paul_irish> they all fail
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  327. # [09:07] <shichuan> i see, anyway..anything deals with layers, stages, custom shapes just cant be easily converted
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  333. # [09:23] * tw2113 has Frankenstein's monster in his source code now
  334. # [09:29] <paul_irish> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/80511
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  414. # [14:14] <chachan> hi guys, is there a way to check whether the database exists or no?
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  427. # [14:43] <bumba82> Hi guys
  428. # [14:44] <bumba82> I have a question about IndexedDB vs Web SQL Database
  429. # [14:44] <bumba82> Is there anyone who can help me?
  430. # [14:46] <Moo-_-_> bumba82: we are not mindreaders - we cannot tell whether we can help you or not before you ask your question :)
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  432. # [14:49] <bumba82> oky, sorry
  433. # [14:50] <bumba82> I read that Web SQL Database support by W3 has been stopped
  434. # [14:50] <bumba82> IndexedDB seems to be the successor
  435. # [14:52] <bumba82> I'm developing a mobile application using phonegap and this framework offer API for Web SQL Database ... Is a bad idea to use Web SQL Database?
  436. # [14:53] <Moo-_-_> it is not a bad idea
  437. # [14:54] <Moo-_-_> you are using your own webkit controller and you do not need to face the problem of different browser
  438. # [14:54] <Moo-_-_> so just use whatever works there for you
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  440. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> bumba82, it is a bad idea to use WebSQL
  441. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> It makes as much sense as saying "Oh, my intranet app only needs to work in IE6"
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  445. # [15:00] <bumba82> Well IndexedDB seems to be in early stages ...
  446. # [15:00] <bumba82> Is Web SQL Database a SQLite db?
  447. # [15:01] <bumba82> Are there differences between Web SQL Database and SQLite db?
  448. # [15:02] <Moo-_-_> bumba82: web sql database is sqlite really
  449. # [15:02] <Moo-_-_> all implementations use sqlite internally
  450. # [15:03] <Moo-_-_> though there might be very minor minor version differences
  451. # [15:03] <bumba82> ok, then for data types etc I can read the sqlite docs, isn't it?
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  454. # [15:14] <chachan> is there a way to check whether the Web SQL Database exists or no?
  455. # [15:16] <Fyrd> chachan: check for window.openDatabase
  456. # [15:16] <Fyrd> as per http://diveintohtml5.org/everything.html
  457. # [15:18] <chachan> Fyrd, ok, I tried using openDatabase twice and it created me two dabases :(
  458. # [15:19] <Fyrd> chachan: Oh, you wanted to see if a database was already created?
  459. # [15:22] <chachan> Fyrd, yes :)
  460. # [15:22] <Fyrd> chachan: Dunno about that...I'd suggest reading the details here if you haven't already: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/#dom-opendatabase
  461. # [15:24] <sam0t> http://protosal.com:4000/ user:mya pass:123
  462. # [15:24] <sam0t> random bug of downloading all the scripts twice right now lol
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  464. # [15:33] <chachan> Fyrd, there's a callback function for those cases
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  471. # [15:52] <bumba82> guys ... I launch chrome and I create a DB (I can see it under chrome developer tools)
  472. # [15:53] <bumba82> then I disable the createDB procedure
  473. # [15:53] <bumba82> I close chrome, reopen it and then access the same page
  474. # [15:53] <bumba82> the DB doesn't exist anymore ...
  475. # [15:53] <bumba82> what the hell is happening?
  476. # [15:54] <bumba82> Do I need to create the DB every time I access the page?
  477. # [15:57] <chachan> bumba82, I'm testing myself, I need that too
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  481. # [15:58] <chachan> bumba82, that's right, it doesn't exist anymore :(
  482. # [15:58] <bumba82> shitty affair
  483. # [15:58] <bumba82> ...
  484. # [15:59] <bumba82> perhaps the only way is to preload the DB as specified in the link I sent you in the other channel
  485. # [16:00] <chachan> what other channel?
  486. # [16:00] <chachan> I'm not following you
  487. # [16:08] <bumba82> phonegap
  488. # [16:08] <bumba82> http://groups.google.com/group/phonegap/browse_thread/thread/ca6c85f7d6c3976c/1195990551444915
  489. # [16:09] <chachan> bumba82, no, there it is, the database is there, so you don't have to create it each time
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  491. # [16:12] <bumba82> did you check it with chrome ?
  492. # [16:13] <chachan> I'm doing all my test with chrome
  493. # [16:13] <chachan> tests*
  494. # [16:13] <bumba82> well if I refresh .... then I cannot see the DB anymore (under Developer Tools > Resources > Databases)
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  500. # [16:18] <bumba82> did you disable the procedure that create the DB the second time you access the page?
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  505. # [16:27] <chachan> bumba82, mm, I'm having a problem, I guess is related with that. When I uses openDatabase it creates me a new database x-(
  506. # [16:28] <chachan> bumba82, try making openDatabase and you will see that
  507. # [16:28] <chachan> I already store data and it works great, but it duplicates the database
  508. # [16:29] * chachan wants to kill somebody
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  513. # [16:48] <bumba82> chachan I'm back
  514. # [16:49] <bumba82> I use
  515. # [16:49] <chachan> it's supposed that openDatabase creates a database if it doesn't exist. But I guess it should open a database if this already exists!!!
  516. # [16:50] <bumba82> well dunno ... at the moment if I refresh I don't see the DB anymore
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  519. # [16:53] <chachan> bumba82, just refresh isn't enough, you should use openDatabase, I don't know why
  520. # [16:53] <chachan> are you on linux?
  521. # [16:53] <chachan> in my case I see the database file in here: ~/.config/google-chrome/Default/databases
  522. # [16:53] <bumba82> I'm on maxosx
  523. # [16:53] <chachan> but I still having the same problem
  524. # [16:54] <chachan> bumba82, the path should be something similar
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  527. # [16:55] <bumba82> It works
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  529. # [16:56] <bumba82> First time I create db + table
  530. # [16:56] <bumba82> then I disable that code and I simply call openDatabase
  531. # [16:56] <bumba82> I can access my previously created DB
  532. # [16:56] <bumba82> cool
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  535. # [16:59] <bumba82> chachan are you sure you call openDatabase the same way
  536. # [16:59] <bumba82> same db name, version, etc
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  538. # [17:00] <chachan> yes, should I need something additional?
  539. # [17:00] <chachan> yes
  540. # [17:00] <chachan> how do you disable the code?, editing it by hand?
  541. # [17:01] <chachan> that's why I was wondering about check whether the database exists or not
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  547. # [17:05] <bumba82> Well for the moment by hand
  548. # [17:05] <bumba82> but ...
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  550. # [17:06] <bumba82> I don't get 2 different db if I leave opendb + create function calls
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  552. # [17:06] <bumba82> always one db
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  554. # [17:09] <chachan> bumba82, how do you get the handler if you disable it?
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  560. # [17:19] <chachan> bumba82, still around?
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  563. # [17:22] <bumba82> yep
  564. # [17:22] <bumba82> sorry
  565. # [17:23] <bumba82> first time : opendb + queries, second time: just open db
  566. # [17:23] <bumba82> then
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  568. # [17:23] <bumba82> if I always call opendb + queries
  569. # [17:23] <bumba82> I have one DB
  570. # [17:23] <bumba82> don't get more
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  581. # [17:59] <bumba82> chachan, did you solve?
  582. # [18:00] <Fyrd> Oh look, Chrome 10 on the stable channel. Has it really been 6 weeks?
  583. # [18:00] <chachan> bumba82, I guess so, at least it's working. Now CSS :D
  584. # [18:01] <Fyrd> I guess it's been about 5. Close enough.
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  587. # [18:02] <nimbupani> we can set our calendars by their release dates huh Fyrd
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  590. # [18:06] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Almost. :)
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  592. # [18:06] <Fyrd> What I really need to do is create a button that'll instantly update caniuse with the latest Chrome release.
  593. # [18:08] <nimbupani> :D like the "NUKE WORLD" button that apparently exists in some remote outpost in the US
  594. # [18:08] <Fyrd> Yeah, just like that!
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  622. # [18:56] <paul_irish> Adobe is presenting their CSS Regions proposal #csswg http://t.co/D5zKJbr
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  624. # [18:56] <nimbupani> HAWT
  625. # [18:56] <nimbupani> finally
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  639. # [19:12] <paul_irish> sweet i'm immortalized in cssquirrel http://www.cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/03/08/irish-punch/
  640. # [19:13] <danielfilho> hahaha!
  641. # [19:13] <danielfilho> the irish punch.
  642. # [19:14] <danielfilho> pretty sure the bot must have a ?irishpunch command
  643. # [19:14] <danielfilho> :D
  644. # [19:16] <kenbrowning> can anyone point me to a reference which lists browser support for html5 video?
  645. # [19:19] <kenbrowning> n/m wikipedia to the rescue
  646. # [19:20] <Fyrd> Ha! Nice, paul_irish
  647. # [19:20] <Fyrd> kenbrowning: See also http://caniuse.com/video (and the subfeature links)
  648. # [19:21] <kenbrowning> oh very nice
  649. # [19:21] <kenbrowning> thank you
  650. # [19:22] * Fyrd hopes the positive reception to his links validate his spamming
  651. # [19:23] * kenbrowning validates Fyrd
  652. # [19:24] <nimbupani> ITS NOT SPAM
  653. # [19:24] <nimbupani> AT ALL
  654. # [19:25] <nimbupani> actully Fyrd did anyone nominate you for that webbies thing?
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  656. # [19:26] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Aw, thanks. And no, not that I know of.
  657. # [19:26] <nimbupani> o geez so disgusting.
  658. # [19:26] <Fyrd> Which webbies thing is that?
  659. # [19:26] <nimbupani> its this random thing: http://www.ngenworks.com/blog/webbie-madness/
  660. # [19:27] <nimbupani> random people get nominated, BUT NOT YOU
  661. # [19:27] <niftylettuce> http://www.sky.fm/play/datempolounge
  662. # [19:27] <niftylettuce> woooopies O_O
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  665. # [19:31] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Very kind, but I dunno if I've even contributed 5 things to the industry. :)
  666. # [19:31] <nimbupani> LOLWAT
  667. # [19:31] <nimbupani> pls Fyrd i think the 3 things you are contributing to are already SO AMAZING
  668. # [19:32] <nimbupani> i dont think 90% of those who eventually sent their forms every did 5 things to the industry.
  669. # [19:32] <nimbupani> i think i should create my own list.
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  671. # [19:32] <Fyrd> brb
  672. # [19:33] <chachan> Fyrd, do you have experience using web SQL databases on android web browser on an emulator?
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  688. # [19:56] <Fyrd> chachan: No XP with webSQL at all I'm afraid, just aware of the basic concept behind it.
  689. # [19:57] <chachan> Fyrd, ok
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  691. # [20:02] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Besides svg-edit and caniuse, what's the third one?
  692. # [20:02] <Fyrd> Ah, prolly template layout.
  693. # [20:02] <Fyrd> I need to update that.
  694. # [20:02] <nimbupani> o that too?
  695. # [20:02] <nimbupani> :)
  696. # [20:03] <nimbupani> i meant the timeline
  697. # [20:03] <nimbupani> on wikipedia :)
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  699. # [20:03] <Fyrd> Oooh yeah!
  700. # [20:04] <Fyrd> Well mostly others have continued updating that, but yeah I suppose it's something.
  701. # [20:05] <Fyrd> Here's the other thing I meant: http://code.google.com/p/css-template-layout/
  702. # [20:05] <Fyrd> Though that's mostly a proof of concept thing.
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  704. # [20:06] <Fyrd> I hope it's not used in many production environments.
  705. # [20:07] <paul_irish> timeline?
  706. # [20:07] <Fyrd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers
  707. # [20:08] <Fyrd> Just the image, not the whole page.
  708. # [20:08] <paul_irish> you're the dude behind that?
  709. # [20:08] <paul_irish> <3
  710. # [20:08] <nimbupani> UMMM paul_irish!!!!
  711. # [20:08] <nimbupani> are you amnesiac!?!
  712. # [20:09] <nimbupani> i pointed this out like a year ago!
  713. # [20:09] <paul_irish> definitely.
  714. # [20:09] <nimbupani> and you even tweets @ fyrd about it
  715. # [20:09] <paul_irish> hahaah
  716. # [20:09] <paul_irish> quick someone tell me a joke they've told me before
  717. # [20:09] <paul_irish> i promise to lol
  718. # [20:09] <Fyrd> Ha ha. :D
  719. # [20:09] * paul_irish sry nimbupani
  720. # [20:09] <nimbupani> omg Fyrd this looks naiceee
  721. # [20:09] * nimbupani forgives paul_irish
  722. # [20:10] <nimbupani> i have two names to promote for my list of under-pimped webdevs.
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  725. # [20:10] <tw2113> one isn't me yet
  726. # [20:11] <Fyrd> Yeah, I was just learning about SVG and the timeline seemed a cool thing to hand write.
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  728. # [20:11] <nimbupani> if only everyone was like that.
  729. # [20:11] <paul_irish> nimbupani: how about... #followfriday
  730. # [20:11] <nimbupani> no no no no thats so trivial
  731. # [20:12] <nimbupani> i wanna highlight projects
  732. # [20:12] <nimbupani> which makes them awesome.
  733. # [20:12] <paul_irish> i wanna highlight your gradients
  734. # [20:12] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, i see you're a legend now, appearing in comics and shit
  735. # [20:12] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: totes a big deal.
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  737. # [20:12] <tw2113> what? what comic
  738. # [20:12] <nimbupani> no antonkovalyov paul_irish is merely mainstream
  739. # [20:12] <paul_irish> tw you missed it!
  740. # [20:12] <paul_irish> nimbupani: hahhahaa
  741. # [20:12] <nimbupani> which makes him as hipster as obama.
  742. # [20:12] <Fyrd> tw2113: http://www.cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/03/08/irish-punch/
  743. # [20:12] <paul_irish> i'm the anti hipster OOOO
  744. # [20:13] <paul_irish> nimbupani: I DISAGREEE
  745. # [20:13] <nimbupani> why obama is who hipsters support?
  746. # [20:13] <paul_irish> wat
  747. # [20:13] <nimbupani> i meann obama is mainstream
  748. # [20:13] <nimbupani> AND gets hipster support
  749. # [20:13] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, :D
  750. # [20:13] <nimbupani> IS WHAT I AM SAYIN
  751. # [20:13] <nimbupani> so its like you have transcended that barrier
  752. # [20:13] <tw2113> Paul totally uses irony more ironically than hipsters
  753. # [20:14] <paul_irish> if you're saying i'm obama. i'll take it.
  754. # [20:14] <nimbupani> yeah except he is not so popular as of the moment. FYI
  755. # [20:14] <paul_irish> that man has beautiful skin.
  756. # [20:14] <paul_irish> neither am i
  757. # [20:14] <paul_irish> have you seen the post The Real HTML5 Boilerplate, nimbupani?
  758. # [20:14] <paul_irish> lolol okay im done trolling
  759. # [20:14] <paul_irish> <3
  760. # [20:14] <nimbupani> thnx.
  761. # [20:15] <paul_irish> i like your idea. i was thinking of doing the same.
  762. # [20:15] <nimbupani> o good. then we should collab, AND YOU SHOULD CREDIT ME
  763. # [20:15] <paul_irish> DIVYAs List of Underappreciated Web Folk.
  764. # [20:15] <nimbupani> totes would do.
  765. # [20:15] <Fyrd> #1 DIVYA
  766. # [20:15] <kenbrowning> totes bra
  767. # [20:15] <nimbupani> HAHAHAHAHAHA
  768. # [20:16] <paul_irish> it's "brah", bro.
  769. # [20:16] <paul_irish> otherwise you're talking about the undergarment.
  770. # [20:16] <kenbrowning> grossss
  771. # [20:16] <Fyrd> That might not go over well. :)
  772. # [20:16] <tw2113> hey, what can we say, you offer good support paul
  773. # [20:16] <paul_irish> bras are totes gross. agreed
  774. # [20:16] <nimbupani> >_>
  775. # [20:16] <paul_irish> jk still trolling omg
  776. # [20:17] <paul_irish> so Fyrd you're not going to sxsw are you
  777. # [20:17] <paul_irish> how about jsconf
  778. # [20:17] <paul_irish> or the svg conf
  779. # [20:17] <nimbupani> SOMEWHERE
  780. # [20:17] <paul_irish> plz
  781. # [20:17] <nimbupani> so paul_irish can meet you
  782. # [20:17] <Fyrd> paul_irish: See, you mistake me for a person who goes places. :)
  783. # [20:17] <Fyrd> I'm really just a bot. :(
  784. # [20:17] <nimbupani> HAHAHAH
  785. # [20:17] <nimbupani> a very efficient bot
  786. # [20:17] <paul_irish> i'm impressed.
  787. # [20:17] <Fyrd> I suppose I could have a Watson-prop be sent around
  788. # [20:18] <nimbupani> that would work as long as the prop travels economy-class
  789. # [20:19] <paul_irish> nimbupani: the pngfix...
  790. # [20:19] <paul_irish> kinda hate it.
  791. # [20:19] <nimbupani> yah?
  792. # [20:19] <nimbupani> yeah :|
  793. # [20:19] <paul_irish> png8 ftw
  794. # [20:19] <paul_irish> hm
  795. # [20:19] <nimbupani> are you saying coz of zach?
  796. # [20:19] <nimbupani> zachleat?
  797. # [20:19] <paul_irish> he reminded me of it yeah
  798. # [20:19] <nimbupani> yah i agree actually
  799. # [20:20] <nimbupani> have you seen imagealpha?
  800. # [20:20] <paul_irish> wat
  801. # [20:20] <nimbupani> its that image optimizr for mac
  802. # [20:20] <nimbupani> ?g imageAlpha
  803. # [20:20] <bot-t> nimbupani, ImageAlpha GUI for PNG8+alpha image converters - http://pornel.net/imagealpha
  804. # [20:20] <nimbupani> its HAWT
  805. # [20:20] <nimbupani> a UI for what used to be commandline image optimization.
  806. # [20:22] <Fyrd> I'd always been using Fireworks.
  807. # [20:22] <nimbupani> i dont have fireworks :(
  808. # [20:22] <Fyrd> Well I'd have used something else if I'd known it was out there. :)
  809. # [20:22] <Fyrd> Guess I never bothered to look.
  810. # [20:23] <nimbupani> hehehe
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  812. # [20:23] <Fyrd> Always seemed dumb that Photoshop couldn't do it
  813. # [20:23] <paul_irish> oh pornel has been working on a new version of pngquant
  814. # [20:23] <Fyrd> I should also note that's the only thing I've ever used fireworks for.
  815. # [20:23] <paul_irish> but um yeah imagealpha is the jame
  816. # [20:23] <paul_irish> -e +es
  817. # [20:25] <Fyrd> It's the james?
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  819. # [20:25] <paul_irish> it was an esoteric joke just for nimbu
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  822. # [20:25] <paul_irish> and miketaylr
  823. # [20:26] <Fyrd> Aah.
  824. # [20:26] <nimbupani> hahahaa
  825. # [20:26] <nimbupani> jams Fyrd
  826. # [20:28] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://www.52framework.com/ just went 2.0
  827. # [20:28] <miketaylr> :D
  828. # [20:28] <nimbupani> whats this?!
  829. # [20:28] <nimbupani> 52framework?
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  831. # [20:29] <paul_irish> yeah its been around for a bit
  832. # [20:29] <antonkovalyov> yo people
  833. # [20:29] <nimbupani> o i see
  834. # [20:29] <nimbupani> hai debugger!
  835. # [20:29] <paul_irish> i think i mighta taken one single thing from it for h5bp
  836. # [20:29] <antonkovalyov> why everybody likes coffeescript?
  837. # [20:29] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, sup
  838. # [20:29] <paul_irish> but it was the first "framework" to incorporate modernizr
  839. # [20:29] <nimbupani> o i see.
  840. # [20:29] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: because its syntactically lovely
  841. # [20:29] <nimbupani> it looks beautiful
  842. # [20:29] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/xh2o3-_lr48s.png
  843. # [20:29] <paul_irish> like you know how you do if (document && document.body && document.body.id == omg)
  844. # [20:30] <antonkovalyov> it looks like javascript?
  845. # [20:30] <paul_irish> there's a beautiful shorthand for that in cs
  846. # [20:30] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, oh
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  848. # [20:30] <paul_irish> wait that code is not coffeescript
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  850. # [20:30] <miketaylr> lol
  851. # [20:30] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, the page claims it is
  852. # [20:30] <miketaylr> no way
  853. # [20:31] <miketaylr> that's probs what coffeescript "compiled" to
  854. # [20:31] <antonkovalyov> ok, bookmarked coffeescript web site to read later
  855. # [20:31] <paul_irish> cs is cool.
  856. # [20:31] <paul_irish> haml : html, sass : css, coffeescript : js
  857. # [20:32] <Fyrd> Hmm, interesting.
  858. # [20:32] <nimbupani> omg this 52framework
  859. # [20:32] <nimbupani> well at least its nowhere close to what we are doing paul_irish
  860. # [20:32] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, this is what i think about haml — http://goo.gl/uqGCL
  861. # [20:33] <paul_irish> nast
  862. # [20:33] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: has anyone done an H5BP integration into Drupal or Moodle?
  863. # [20:33] <paul_irish> okay i shouldnt have groupped haml in there
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  865. # [20:34] <paul_irish> niftylettuce: check /docs/
  866. # [20:35] <niftylettuce> oh wow
  867. # [20:35] <niftylettuce> i should dooo it
  868. # [20:35] <tw2113> i need to poke at remy sharp's "view source" js and figure out how to make it pull from specific urls, if possible
  869. # [20:35] <niftylettuce> ill just integrate it and then polish and put it on ghub
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  871. # [20:36] <nimbupani> yeah pls niftylettuce!
  872. # [20:36] <nimbupani> it would be nice.
  873. # [20:36] <paul_irish> tw2113: link?
  874. # [20:36] <niftylettuce> nimbupani: my organization doesn't pay me enough, but the OS community sure does pay back :)
  875. # [20:36] <nimbupani> :)
  876. # [20:36] <tw2113> http://html5demos.com/
  877. # [20:37] <tw2113> you can see the view source links on the individual examples
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  879. # [20:37] <paul_irish> oh i have something for that
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  881. # [20:38] <paul_irish> window.open('view-source:' + location.href);
  882. # [20:38] <paul_irish> that's it.
  883. # [20:38] <tw2113> my idea was to provide a link from my resume page, that pulls the content from the project it's next to in the portfolio section
  884. # [20:38] <tw2113> without leaving the page
  885. # [20:38] <paul_irish> you can do that with jQuery.load
  886. # [20:38] <paul_irish> $('.'omg').load('portfolio/thing/ #description')
  887. # [20:38] <tw2113> noted
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  889. # [20:40] <tw2113> sweet
  890. # [20:48] <niftylettuce> hey any input on what to call it?
  891. # [20:48] <niftylettuce> Moodleplate?
  892. # [20:49] <paul_irish> how about "html5 boilerplate for moodle"
  893. # [20:49] <paul_irish> better SEO that way.
  894. # [20:49] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: on github -- the project name is "moodle-html5-boilerplate"
  895. # [20:50] <niftylettuce> that ok?
  896. # [20:50] <paul_irish> yup
  897. # [20:50] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I'm might need a dot com for documentation and b/c Moodle folk are weird
  898. # [20:50] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I'll get github setup for now :)
  899. # [20:52] <niftylettuce> https://github.com/niftylettuce/moodle-html5-boilerplate
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  906. # [20:57] <jetienne> tw2113: http://html5demos.com/ is that yours ? this is nice. remind me of http://jsperf.com
  907. # [20:58] <tw2113> nope, not mine
  908. # [20:58] <tw2113> i sadly had zero part in it
  909. # [20:59] <jetienne> tw2113: mm it is all remy
  910. # [20:59] <tw2113> yup
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  912. # [21:00] <jetienne> tw2113: nice site tho, i would love a user submission section like jsperf.com
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  914. # [21:00] <monteslu> chrome 10 ?!?!
  915. # [21:00] <monteslu> jeez you guys are fast
  916. # [21:00] <monteslu> seems like just updated to 9
  917. # [21:01] <tw2113> release early release often?
  918. # [21:01] <paul_irish> ZOOOOM
  919. # [21:01] <monteslu> hells yeah
  920. # [21:01] <monteslu> my little 2d game is rockin now
  921. # [21:01] <tw2113> woohoo, this laptop has an update for 10.0.648.127-76697
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  923. # [21:02] <monteslu> http://azprogrammer.com/tge/di.html
  924. # [21:05] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: oh god the video at the bottom
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  926. # [21:05] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: haha figured it out
  927. # [21:05] <paul_irish> where what
  928. # [21:05] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: drawing stars n shit
  929. # [21:05] <paul_irish> wat r u talking abut
  930. # [21:05] <niftylettuce> lol
  931. # [21:05] <paul_irish> ooooooooh stars!
  932. # [21:06] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: how the effff!
  933. # [21:06] <paul_irish> ★⏝★
  934. # [21:06] <tw2113> clearly he has gnomes drawing on your screen
  935. # [21:07] <niftylettuce> i was playing on paul's site the other day, my friend was like what the efff you just cracked ur screen!
  936. # [21:07] <niftylettuce> i was like no sir, you just got your irish cherry popped lol
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  938. # [21:09] <monteslu> irish cherry popping gnomes...
  939. # [21:09] <monteslu> there should be a song about that
  940. # [21:09] <niftylettuce> call up jonneal
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  943. # [21:11] <danielfilho> there could be a cmd+k to clean the downloads when in downloads window, on chrome :S
  944. # [21:12] <monteslu> also would be nice to have multi-line input in console
  945. # [21:12] <Fyrd> Yay, my Chrome updating button works.
  946. # [21:12] <monteslu> I have to copy from a text editor first
  947. # [21:13] <danielfilho> you can have multiline
  948. # [21:13] <danielfilho> just hold alt and press enter :D
  949. # [21:13] <monteslu> how?
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  951. # [21:13] <danielfilho> you use mac or windows?
  952. # [21:13] <monteslu> linux and windows
  953. # [21:13] <danielfilho> ok so try holding shift+enter
  954. # [21:13] <danielfilho> instead of enter
  955. # [21:14] <monteslu> well lookie there
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  957. # [21:14] <monteslu> very cool
  958. # [21:14] <danielfilho> ;)
  959. # [21:14] <monteslu> thanks!
  960. # [21:14] <danielfilho> you're welcome :D
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  964. # [21:14] <danielfilho> on mac I use alt, but shift works too,.
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  968. # [21:17] <danielfilho> there's a new chromium version since today also! just checked it
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  983. # [21:29] <niftylettuce> http://probablyinteractive.com/url-hunter
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  985. # [21:32] <niftylettuce> there is a serious bug with Flash in Chrome on Linux/Debian -.-
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  1002. # [22:17] <tw2113> does this page not load in firefox for others? http://en-us.lionbridge.com/
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  1004. # [22:24] <monteslu> tw2113, loaded, but my flashblock caught the big object
  1005. # [22:25] <tw2113> i checked the source and it looks like it checks for chrome
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  1007. # [22:27] <monteslu> why check for chrome instead of just checking for specific features?
  1008. # [22:28] <tw2113> *shrugs* not my site
  1009. # [22:29] <tw2113> something i found through careerbuilder
  1010. # [22:29] <monteslu> they looking for someone to fix it?
  1011. # [22:29] <tw2113> they should, but no, not the job they were advertising
  1012. # [22:29] <monteslu> ahh
  1013. # [22:29] <tw2113> "Internet Search Consultant "
  1014. # [22:30] <tw2113> almost as bad as "Web Research Navigator "
  1015. # [22:30] <monteslu> oooh, SEO optimization specialist :)
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  1017. # [22:31] <tw2113> for the last one..."We are the leader in harvesting high quality content from inaccessible Deep Web and Surface Web sources on the Internet."
  1018. # [22:32] <grantg> paul_irish: I'm trying to get webgl going in JS GBC, but it's currently borked: http://www.grantgalitz.org/gtfo/SMB_WEBGL/index.php
  1019. # [22:32] <monteslu> I bet you need 10 years exp in a 5 year old language too
  1020. # [22:32] <grantg> It should make it really fast in chrome though
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  1022. # [22:34] <paul_irish> borked.
  1023. # [22:35] <grantg> heh
  1024. # [22:35] <grantg> It's copypasta code
  1025. # [22:35] <grantg> so it's probably all wrong.
  1026. # [22:35] <grantg> hacked in though
  1027. # [22:35] <grantg> this.data is RGB
  1028. # [22:35] <grantg> not RGBA
  1029. # [22:35] <grantg> and Uint8Array
  1030. # [22:35] <grantg> 23040 * 3 indices
  1031. # [22:36] <grantg> I'm trying to do some textImage2D
  1032. # [22:36] <grantg> *texImage2D
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  1038. # [22:38] <grantg> I'm trying to offload the scaling of the image to the GPU
  1039. # [22:38] <grantg> by using WebGL
  1040. # [22:38] <grantg> since chrome is horrible with scaling via CSS
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  1042. # [22:39] <grantg> It should look like http://www.grantgalitz.org/gtfo/SMB_TEST/
  1043. # [22:39] <grantg> but instead stays white
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