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# Session Start: Wed Mar 09 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:04] <nimbupani> http://www.nomensa.com/blog/2011/using-html-lists/
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# [00:26] <kenbrowning> flood moar!
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# [00:30] <grantg> not enough flooding
# [00:31] <kenbrowning> the beats will continue
# [00:32] <kenbrowning> beatings
# [00:32] <kenbrowning> :(
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# [00:36] <tw2113> we have a drinking game based off of drule
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# [00:37] <vier> tw2113: that is disgusting :/
# [00:37] * tw2113 deals with it
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# [00:38] <vier> anyone here in google's html5 comp?
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# [00:41] <nimbupani> what is "comp"?
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# [00:54] <thatryan> paul_irish: hey you around?
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# [00:56] <tw2113> should have gone with forklift2
# [00:56] <thatryan> dude..
# [00:56] <thatryan> fuck
# [00:56] <thatryan> trying to find a way to dig it out of cache but no luck
# [00:56] <tw2113> sorry to hear about the crash
# [00:57] <tw2113> if it helps you feel better, i'm fixing to install XP on my laptop
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# [00:59] <Sam0t> http://protosal.com:3000/
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# [01:03] <thatryan> lol
# [01:03] <thatryan> why XP?
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# [01:04] <tw2113> because i have too much dignity for vista and don't have a copy of 7
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# [01:05] <paul_irish> thatryan: around but buz
# [01:05] <paul_irish> y
# [01:06] <tw2113> darn near 50min to reduce a partition by 50gb
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# [01:06] <thatryan> paul_irish: no worries man, was wondering if there was a way in chrome to find cached site files, had a CSS file disappear on me
# [01:08] <paul_irish> about:cache
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# [01:15] <thatryan> oh sweeet
# [01:16] <thatryan> all kinds of stuff i dont recognize lol
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# [01:33] <croby> paul_irish: on that subject, any way to turn off chrome's cache?
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# [01:34] <croby> (aside from the command line launch arguments that i've seen in some threads)
# [01:37] <Neiluj> any advices on a good, non-global-polluting, easy-image-uploading, rich-text editor ?
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# [01:38] <Neiluj> I don't need every richtext features, just the essential (aligns, b/i/u, headings/p, img)
# [01:38] <Neiluj> and I don't need IE support as well :)
# [01:39] <paul_irish> croby: disable? nah
# [01:39] <paul_irish> but ctrl-shift-refresh now bypasses cache
# [01:39] <paul_irish> as of 4 weeks ago
# [01:40] <croby> paul_irish: oh well that's good enough for me, i'm in the habit of doing that anyway from FF, but it is nice to be able to disable it entirely in FF and not have to worry about it
# [01:40] <Neiluj> paul_irish: cmd+shift+R ???
# [01:40] <croby> (through web developer toolbar)
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# [01:42] <symb> re
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# [01:46] <paul_irish> Neiluj: ya
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# [01:47] <Neiluj> best shortcut eva!
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# [02:15] <Evet> so, what is the best html5 canvas framework/library at the moment?
# [02:16] <Sam0t> camanjs?
# [02:16] <Sam0t> nvm that lol
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# [02:22] <paul_irish> Evet: depends what you wanna do
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# [02:23] <Evet> paul_irish: GUIs
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# [02:32] <paul_irish> plz don't make a GUI in canvas
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# [02:35] <nimbupani> why would anyone do a GUI in canvas. was bespin not a lesson in that?
# [02:36] <monteslu> GUI is a bit subjective. If you're making a game, you might still want things that resemble buttons
# [02:37] <monteslu> but you'd probably want to drop out from a fullscreen canvas for anything other than that. or at least bring forward a layer with real controls
# [02:37] <nimbupani> yes.
# [02:38] <monteslu> funny thing is javax.swing could probably be rendered in canvas if one was so inclinded
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# [02:40] <themiddleman_itv> tw2113: xp is the best windows.... and thats not saying much
# [02:41] <themiddleman_itv> So, is there a way to have a inset box shadow be on top of the elements children? http://jsfiddle.net/cpRM5/
# [02:42] <tw2113> think of it this way themiddleman_itv, i'm willing to wipe my HDD clean, install XP, and then re-install Fedora, just to get it on there
# [02:44] <themiddleman_itv> no partition and grub magics?
# [02:44] <monteslu> tw2113, running fedora here, with xp as a virtualbox vm with snapshots on different IE versions
# [02:44] <tw2113> i tried themiddleman_itv but it wasn't liking not being the primary partition and whatnot
# [02:44] <themiddleman_itv> ouch
# [02:45] <themiddleman_itv> monteslu: tried iecollection? you can install all the ies
# [02:45] <tw2113> and Virtualization seems to not like either of my computers
# [02:45] <themiddleman_itv> tw2113: crappy hardware or software related?
# [02:46] <tw2113> my guess would be hardware
# [02:46] <monteslu> themiddleman_itv, havent. I used 3 versions on ies4linux a couple years ago, but only been doing VMs since
# [02:46] <monteslu> i'm up for trying something else though
# [02:46] <themiddleman_itv> monteslu: ah yes the good ol days of ies4linux heh
# [02:46] <themiddleman_itv> http://finalbuilds.edskes.net/iecollection.htm
# [02:47] <monteslu> a good way to make IE even less stable :)
# [02:47] <monteslu> ies4linux I mean
# [02:47] <themiddleman_itv> monteslu: yeah not to mention all the font issues
# [02:47] <monteslu> yeah, it was a mess. But helped for waht I was doing at the time
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# [03:27] <thatryan> chrome 10 is out sweet
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# [03:39] <uf0> is true that when putting html5shim in the <head> it needs to be after jquery?
# [03:39] <uf0> or does it matter either or
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# [03:44] <paul_irish> doesnt matter, uf0
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# [03:49] <uf0> thanks paul
# [03:49] <paul_irish> i would recommend not putting jquery in the head
# [03:50] <uf0> why's that?
# [03:50] <Neiluj> blocking
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# [03:50] <Neiluj> paul_irish bought the <head> exclusivity for Modernizr, you can't put anything else
# [03:51] <paul_irish> no advantage to jq being in the head
# [03:51] <paul_irish> and plenty of disadvantages
# [03:51] <uf0> here's the thing, usually all my sites have a header include which has all scripts/css
# [03:51] <digitalfiz> im curious of the disadvantages
# [03:51] <uf0> so it's easier to have it all in one place
# [03:52] <uf0> and footer it's messy
# [03:52] <Neiluj> script in <head> is usually a bad practice, it make the browser wait before rendering the DOM
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# [03:52] <Neiluj> if your script doesn't play with style, put in at the bottom of your body uf0
# [03:53] <uf0> so where should it go
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# [03:53] <Neiluj> just before </body>
# [03:53] <uf0> after </html> before </body>
# [03:53] <uf0> ok cool
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# [03:56] <paul_irish> after </html> before </body>???
# [03:56] * paul_irish brain hurt.
# [03:57] * nimbupani is in inception land
# [03:57] <tw2113> i'm in The Hangover land and it's not humoring me as much as i hoped
# [03:58] <Neiluj> maybe inside a <foot> ? ;)
# [03:58] <uf0> i mean to say after </html> or before </body> if that improves your brain :)
# [03:59] <tw2113> <script modernizr></body></html>
# [03:59] <Neiluj> tw2113: fight the FOUC !
# [03:59] <paul_irish> tw2113: mod goes in the head brah
# [03:59] <paul_irish> unless you dont use the css hooks
# [03:59] <paul_irish> cuz you'll get FOUC
# [03:59] <paul_irish> and IE needs it for the shivv
# [03:59] <tw2113> just was a bad example
# [04:00] <tw2113> <script></body></html>
# [04:00] <paul_irish> bad bad
# [04:01] <tw2113> i'm preparing to copy 160k files to a backup drive
# [04:02] <tw2113> and that number keeps going up
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# [04:12] <shichuan> i am using easeljs.to do individual shape rotation, if i am not wrong, this can't be done in canvas by default right?
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# [04:56] <paul_irish> http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/ieblog/2011/mar/chasabwsw-image2-1.png
# [04:56] <paul_irish> i'm just sayin
# [04:57] <themiddleman_itv> Im convinced
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# [05:04] <niftylettuce> grantg: yo man
# [05:05] <grantg> hey niftylettuce
# [05:05] <grantg> Just put up http://www.grantgalitz.org/gtfo/DDR3/
# [05:05] <grantg> Some dance dance revo.
# [05:05] <grantg> d-pad style
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# [05:06] <niftylettuce> grantg: where do you have ur server hosted?
# [05:06] <grantg> somewhere
# [05:06] <grantg> niftylettuce: I need to read some more emails you've sent
# [05:07] <niftylettuce> grantg: ah nothing special, just the last one where I submitted the app... that is the meat of what we're judged on
# [05:07] <grantg> nitfylettuce: Why, are you gonna hack it or something?
# [05:07] <grantg> :P
# [05:07] <niftylettuce> niftylettuce: no, I was going to set you up with your own VPS so your server is faster..
# [05:07] <grantg> heh
# [05:07] <grantg> Good luck with doing much w/ godaddy
# [05:08] <grantg> xD
# [05:08] <niftylettuce> i can help u with a Linode (http://linode.com)
# [05:09] * grantg likes keeping it old skool and limited with classic FTP. :P
# [05:10] <niftylettuce> peter griffin has a moustache
# [05:11] <grantg> heh
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# [05:17] <grantg_> umm
# [05:18] <grantg_> Anyone else noticing firefox 4 sometimes won't let you switch tabs even when it should?
# [05:18] <grantg_> on mac os x at least.
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# [05:20] <digitalfiz> i feel like a king i just built an api for a mobile app in under 2 hours booya beat that Mr RAD!
# [05:21] <grantg_> heh
# [05:22] * grantg_ also notices the link URL tooltip is busted in firefox 4 still.
# [05:22] <grantg_> still shows old links and won't go away sometimes. :/
# [05:24] <grantg_> paulrouget: No way firefox 4 is RC yet.
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# [05:25] <grantg_> not to mention the audio data api is broken on some windows XP computers.
# [05:26] <grantg_> and ajax is sometimes only firing with the onunload event in firefox 4. :/
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# [05:32] <paul_irish> http://tech.qq.com/a/20110308/000357.htm
# [05:32] <grantg_> Did Baidu just rip-off google chrome?
# [05:33] <paul_irish> i have a feeling they just forked chromium
# [05:33] <grantg_> Baidu wants to be Google...
# [05:33] <paul_irish> if that's true that is hugely good news
# [05:33] <paul_irish> china is like 75% ie6
# [05:33] <grantg_> yup
# [05:34] <grantg_> I bet most of the WinXP installs are rip-off copies of winXP. :P
# [05:34] <grantg_> in china
# [05:35] <grantg_> though having chromium packaged to be a chrome-look-alike is better than users using IE6
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# [05:36] <Neiluj> paul_irish: does chrome have this behavior on windows ? http://img1.gtimg.com/tech/pics/hv1/248/95/734/47752823.jpg
# [05:36] <Neiluj> on my mac I can see favicons, not the close cross
# [05:36] <Neiluj> would that mean it's not a fork ? :s
# [05:37] <grantg_> Heh, one search engine repackaging another's product... smooth.
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# [05:47] <jahc> I need to learn HTML5 for work purposes.. how do you program a HTML5 app? is it just markup (HTML5) plus Javascript? is there a good IDE to use with this, or is it mostly just notepad styles? hehe
# [05:48] <grantg_> HTML5 apps don't have to have JavaScript
# [05:48] <grantg_> though they do to do many things
# [05:48] <grantg_> and to make them interactive
# [05:49] <grantg_> HTML5 is HTML5
# [05:49] <grantg_> JS is JS
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# [05:49] <grantg_> You can make HTML5 apps that also have JS
# [05:50] <jahc> hmm, if you wanted to connect up the app to a datasource, and make decisions and events.. is that where Javascript would come in?
# [05:51] <grantg_> JS handles the events and logic
# [05:51] <jahc> I'm a javascript newb. Lately all I've been doing is .NET, and a bit of Java.
# [05:51] <jahc> aha. nice.
# [05:52] <grantg_> Like use JS to control <video> and manipulate tags on a page.
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# [05:52] <grantg_> and draw to <canvas>
# [05:52] <jahc> hmm, and have onclick etc..?
# [05:52] <grantg_> or use it for instance to edit text
# [05:52] <grantg_> yeah
# [05:53] <jahc> oh.. is there a way to hide the javascript so it cant be read by anyone else?
# [05:53] <grantg_> heh
# [05:53] <grantg_> obfustication would make it hard to read. <_<
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# [05:53] <tw2113> why would you want to do something like that?
# [05:53] <jahc> hmm, I guess I should put the interesting logic into my web service..
# [05:53] <grantg_> But if it downloads onto the user's computer, then the user can intercept it and read it.
# [05:53] <grantg_> Also
# [05:54] <grantg_> JS is client side
# [05:54] <grantg_> meaning it does things in the browser
# [05:54] <grantg_> while server-side scripting would be something like Perl or PHP
# [05:54] <grantg_> which does things to the page before it's sent out.
# [05:54] <jahc> hmm, I use ASP.NET for server side stuff currently..
# [05:54] <grantg_> k
# [05:54] <tw2113> ick, not a fan
# [05:55] <jahc> I was going to do a web service in .NET, and have an HTML5 app interface with it..
# [05:56] <grantg_> and your server-side scripts can process the form data sent from the browser.
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# [05:56] <grantg_> to store data on the server
# [05:56] <jahc> SQL would be really handy to have on the HTML5 side. I guess as long as it can read thats fine..
# [05:56] <grantg_> just see if you can make stuff talk in XML
# [05:56] <jahc> I want to work with disconnected data and merge it back later
# [05:56] <grantg_> to the browser
# [05:57] <grantg_> XMLHttpRequest
# [05:57] <jahc> I was thinking of XML, yeah. and use LINQ to XML
# [05:57] <grantg_> and pass simple short data via the GET method and complex / passwords via POST
# [05:58] <grantg_> for sending stuff back to the server
# [05:58] <jahc> it will probably be disconnected about 30% of the time..
# [05:58] <jahc> hmm
# [05:58] <jahc> what options do I have database wise currently?
# [05:58] <grantg_> jahc: See if you can get your stuff to talk in XML.
# [05:59] <grantg_> and then you can request specific data from your server via XMLHttpRequest
# [05:59] <jahc> is the XML stuff in HTML5 feature rich?
# [05:59] <jahc> I need to be able to run querys on it.. err.. kinda
# [05:59] <tw2113> it's pretty balanced, it seems, between xml and json
# [05:59] <grantg_> This is ajax stuff
# [05:59] <grantg_> even IE7 does it
# [05:59] <jahc> ok. I'll quickly look up XMLHttpRequeset now.. then ask som e more questions in a bit. thanks man :)
# [05:59] <tw2113> of course IE6 does nothing but download better browsers
# [05:59] <grantg_> and you can do it in IE6 with some back compat with ActiveX
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# [06:00] <grantg_> even IE5 has its own version of this.
# [06:00] <grantg_> (IE5 windows)
# [06:01] <grantg_> and if you're crazy enough, you can even send requests via iframes
# [06:01] <grantg_> for receiving and sending XML
# [06:01] <grantg_> :P
# [06:01] <grantg_> worst method though
# [06:01] <grantg_> and you can't do the iframe method in webkit-based browsers
# [06:02] <grantg_> since webkit screws up on readyState with iframes when done with POST requests
# [06:02] <grantg_> :/
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# [06:04] <grantg_> and old IE can't read XML from iframes
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# [06:04] <grantg_> so count that out
# [06:05] <grantg_> but they can still talk HTML, which is always good
# [06:05] <grantg_> So you can escape XML inside HTML as text then unescape it in JS.
# [06:05] <grantg_> or you could just use activex in old IE
# [06:06] <tw2113> too much work to get it to work all the way back to IE1
# [06:06] <grantg_> tw2113: IE1 could barely do HTML2
# [06:06] <jahc> XmlHttpRequest sounds awesome.
# [06:06] <grantg_> :P
# [06:07] <jahc> I guess my HTML5 app could hold the data in its grids and when its ready to sync back with the web service, it could use XmlHttpRequest?
# [06:09] <shichuan> Neiluj: i think chrome also doesnt have the close icon, u have to click on the tab to make the close icon shown
# [06:11] <shichuan> Neiluj: i think it's a fork, normally the only difference of a chinese web company and a US one is the logo, for example renren.com
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# [06:12] <jahc> thanks for the info grantg. I better learn some proper javascript now.
# [06:12] <jahc> I know very little js
# [06:12] <shichuan> jahc: JavaScript Patterns is a good book on js
# [06:13] <jahc> I have to become a master in 3 days.
# [06:13] <jahc> lol
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# [06:19] <uf0> ems or pixel for fonts
# [06:19] <uf0> ?
# [06:20] <Neiluj> jahc: HTML5 have SQL client-side
# [06:21] <Neiluj> "I want to work with disconnected data and merge it back later"
# [06:21] <jahc> but thats only for certain browsers I thought..
# [06:21] <Neiluj> sure
# [06:21] <jahc> I thought they decided against it for the standard, so no ones working on it? hmm..
# [06:21] <jahc> or at least..
# [06:21] <jahc> not everyone is..
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# [06:21] <Neiluj> but there are polyfills https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
# [06:21] <Neiluj> didn't try any myself but have a look, if you feel better with SQL
# [06:22] <jahc> it'd be better to make it work with as much as possible
# [06:22] <jahc> mobile devices, etc.. too
# [06:22] <Neiluj> imo, JSON is great
# [06:22] <jahc> hmm..
# [06:23] <Neiluj> "fits" better with Javascript
# [06:23] <jahc> can you serialise a DataSet into JSON easily?
# [06:23] <Neiluj> sure
# [06:23] <jahc> its one line of code to do it in XML..
# [06:23] <jahc> yeah? nice!
# [06:23] <Neiluj> mmh, what do you mean by DataSet ?
# [06:24] <Neiluj> a litteral object ?
# [06:24] <jahc> well, a DataSet holds schema and data about a database..
# [06:24] <jahc> so you could fill it by running a query.. and then turn it into XML later
# [06:24] <jahc> its a .NET thingy
# [06:25] <Neiluj> mmmh dunno a jack about .NET
# [06:25] <jahc> I'm alright with .NET but havent put it into serious use yet. :)
# [06:25] <Neiluj> what I do know is XML is very verbose and if you want mobile, JSON is lighter
# [06:25] <jahc> JSON looks nice and easy to read though.
# [06:26] <jahc> nod..
# [06:26] <jahc> ok
# [06:27] <Neiluj> I didn't see any benchmarks but I guess XML parsing is done like the DOM (slow) where JSON can be easily transform as native JS objects
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# [06:27] <Neiluj> so JSON's probably faster for mobiles
# [06:27] <jahc> mm, nice!
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# [06:28] <jahc> thanks :)
# [06:28] <kenbrowning> yeah, if youre using asp.net then mvc offers some nice utilities for serving up web services as part of a web application
# [06:29] <Neiluj> jahc: http://edwardawebb.com/tips/xml-json
# [06:29] <shichuan> jahc: http://www.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/GeneralCachingArchitectureOfflineApps.html
# [06:30] <jahc> 50 minute video!
# [06:30] <jahc> holy moly.
# [06:30] <Neiluj> jahc: in any case, I would suggest you to look at Backbone.js
# [06:31] <Neiluj> my JS MVC weapon of choice
# [06:35] <jahc> mmm sounds good.
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# [06:42] <uf0> so I'm using @media screen and (max-width: 480px)
# [06:42] <uf0> to test on browser
# [06:42] <Neiluj> easy enough to start, easy to hack on your need
# [06:42] <uf0> but when I shrink browser in FF I see no effect
# [06:42] <uf0> and when I do it in chome it works
# [06:42] <uf0> any idea what I'm doing wrong??
# [06:42] <Neiluj> uf0: which FF version ?
# [06:43] <uf0> 3.6.15
# [06:43] <uf0> it's inconsistent, it works when it wants
# [06:43] <uf0> but chrome works all the time
# [06:43] <Neiluj> not sure you can do something with it :)
# [06:43] <Neiluj> browsers are buggy sometimes
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# [06:44] <Neiluj> have you run a test with Modernizr ?
# [06:45] <uf0> nope
# [06:46] <Neiluj> mmh I thought i was testing media queries, sorry I was wrong
# [06:46] <uf0> huh?
# [06:46] <uf0> media query is what i'm using
# [06:46] <shichuan> ? why modernizr helps media query?
# [06:46] <bot-t> shichuan, 13 - Set a division to show a Google Search Newsbar, providing links to news items based on the results of a search. Note that you must acquire a Google Search key to use with this plugin. http://plugins.jquery.com/projects/plugins?page=12&type=21
# [06:49] <Neiluj> uf0: did you try with the media query inline ? (<link media="..." )
# [06:49] <uf0> yea that's what the way I'm doing it actually
# [06:50] <Neiluj> and with the @media ?
# [06:50] <uf0> no I just wrote that to say i'm using it.
# [06:50] <uf0> here's my code
# [06:50] <uf0> <link href="_css/mobile.css" media="screen and (max-width: 480px)" rel="stylesheet">
# [06:50] <uf0> that's what I'm currently using
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# [06:51] <Neiluj> try @media all and (max-width:480px) { ... }
# [06:52] <Neiluj> I made an app using this code and it works in FF 3
# [06:53] <uf0> in the master stylesheet
# [06:53] <uf0> or in the seperate link version?
# [06:54] <Neiluj> master stylesheet
# [06:54] <uf0> sec.
# [06:54] <Neiluj> that's how I did but it should also work with a separated link
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# [06:54] <niftylettuce> go #html5
# [06:57] <uf0> didn't work, scratches head
# [06:57] <uf0> I'm running this locally
# [06:57] <uf0> should that matter?
# [06:57] <tw2113> max-width vs max-device-width
# [06:58] <uf0> tw2113: i'm using max-width because I want to test on browser
# [06:58] <tw2113> just making sure
# [06:58] <uf0> cool
# [06:59] <uf0> Neiluj: really weird, so I uploaded to a remote site
# [06:59] <uf0> and it works
# [06:59] <uf0> on FF
# [07:00] <uf0> but locally doesn't work
# [07:00] <uf0> wtf?
# [07:00] <Neiluj> oh it needs HTTP
# [07:00] <Neiluj> are you running on file:// ?
# [07:00] <uf0> http://localhost/
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# [07:00] <Neiluj> mmh ok , well don't know :)
# [07:00] <Neiluj> but if it works remotely, that's cool o/
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# [07:01] <uf0> yea weird one
# [07:02] <uf0> thanks for your help
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# [07:05] <Neiluj> np
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# [07:08] <grantg_> http://i.imgur.com/uP1za.jpg
# [07:10] <digitalfiz> Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to localhost
# [07:10] <digitalfiz> :/
# [07:11] <grantg_> http://www.reddit.com/r/southpaws
# [07:11] <grantg_> reddit for lefties
# [07:11] <grantg_> total brainfuck for righties
# [07:14] <tw2113> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/921159/Keyboard/page.html
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# [07:18] <grantg_> heh
# [07:18] <grantg_> someone spent too much time with photoshop
# [07:20] <grantg_> http://i.imgur.com/V60f0.jpg
# [07:23] <tw2113> i think before i work my way through too much of Count Duckula, I'm going to finish my way through Ducktales
# [07:23] <grantg_> lolwut?
# [07:23] <tw2113> retroTV
# [07:23] <grantg_> b/c there's a duck tales for GameBoy also. <_<
# [07:24] <jahc> tw2113: when I was little we just called that regular tv.
# [07:24] <jahc> or just tv actually. hehe
# [07:24] <tw2113> :P
# [07:24] <jahc> did you ever play the Ducktales game on c64? that plane was hard to control.
# [07:25] <tw2113> i just remember the NES game
# [07:25] <jahc> my friend had an NES and my other friend had Sega. I had the c64, which was the best because I could just dub other peoples floppy disks. (yeah, you heard me! floppy disk! no tape drive for me!)
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# [07:27] <grantg_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby
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# [07:41] <themiddleman> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac
# [07:42] <grantg_> shit just got real: http://i.imgur.co
# [07:42] <grantg_> http://i.imgur.com/I2Ny3.jpg
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# [07:44] <grantg_> tw2113: http://imgur.com/Rf5yN
# [07:44] <tw2113> :P
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# [08:01] <grantg> Reddit is down
# [08:01] <grantg> better drink my own piss
# [08:01] <grantg> http://sp.reddit.com/redditisdown.png
# [08:03] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/v/FHIZ2Jl2vuQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&;
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# [08:15] <grantg> holy crap
# [08:15] <grantg> #reddit-downtime
# [08:16] <grantg> Spammed like you've never seen before
# [08:18] <grantg> Simulated reddit downtime page: http://www.grantgalitz.org/reddit/
# [08:20] <Neiluj> OMFG ! O_O
# [08:20] <Neiluj> tell us why !
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# [08:27] <grantg> http://goo.gl/2y4EX
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# [08:45] <grantg> http://goo.gl/2y4EX is actually an accurate portrayal of reddit right now.
# [08:45] <grantg> :/
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# [09:03] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: yt?
# [09:04] <niftylettuce> getting there... https://github.com/niftylettuce/moodle-html5-boilerplate
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# [09:37] <bumba82> hi
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# [10:21] <bumba82> is there anyone who tried persistence.js to sync local DB with remote one?
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# [13:40] <bumba82> is there someone that can help me? I have a mysql DB and I want to import everything in a local DB (Web SQL DB)
# [13:40] <bumba82> Is it possible to DUMP data to json?
# [13:41] <bumba82> I would then have one .js file per table and then insert records when the mobile app is opened for the first time
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# [14:10] <louisremi> what is the best localstorage polyfill that you guys know of?
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# [14:48] <Neiluj> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aqln2akPWiMIdERkY3J2OXdOUVJDTkNSQ2ZsV3hoWVE#gid=0
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# [16:29] <DJazz> is canvas hardware accelerated by default in chrome?
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# [17:41] <shichuan> http://bit.ly/hnJj5D
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# [17:56] <paul_irish> on Monday March 14th we will celebrate the developers and designers who are making a more beautiful web for all of us. We will release the final version of Internet Explorer 9 for download beginning at 9 p.m. Pacific.
# [17:56] <paul_irish> woo
# [17:56] <Peter-> It's insanely fast by Microsoft standards.
# [17:56] <Peter-> Which, obviously, is a very good thing :)
# [17:57] <Peter-> There are "some surprises left", which is odd though
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# [18:03] <nimbupani> o this means i need to be ready to update html5readiness after Fyrd updates caniuse ;)
# [18:03] <nimbupani> should probably create a 2011 page.
# [18:03] <nimbupani> with IE9.
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# [18:04] <Fyrd> oooooh
# [18:05] <nimbupani> i will let you do all the hard work Fyrd
# [18:05] <Fyrd> nimbupani: What hard work? :)
# [18:05] <nimbupani> :)
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# [18:06] <Fyrd> Wait, that's Pi day. Don't they realize many geeks take Pi day off? How inconsiderate!
# [18:06] <paul_irish> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/03/09/blogging-ie9-a-year-in-review.aspx thats a lott
# [18:06] <Peter-> Thus have more time to play around with their final release :)
# [18:07] <paul_irish> pi day!!!! i can sing you a song with the digits
# [18:07] <thatryan> paul_irish: oh god, please do
# [18:07] <thatryan> :D
# [18:07] <nimbupani> hahahahaa Fyrd
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# [18:08] <Fyrd> Please do, paul_irish
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# [18:09] <adrinux> hello
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# [18:12] <adrinux> so, image galleries, I'm pondering the wisdom of using figure and figcaption in the context of a gallery page - the one I'm working on http://pen-dev.perlucida.com/portrait-gallery
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# [18:12] <adrinux> it doesn't seem entirely out of place according to the spec, but just seems wrong in terms of how I normally think of a figure associated with an article
# [18:13] <adrinux> and it seems better than using divs. thoughts?
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# [18:15] <adrinux> also contemplating wrapping these images in <menu> instead of ul
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# [18:16] <adrinux> scratch that, menu is wrong
# [18:17] <adrinux> no it isn't...hehe
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# [18:39] <Fyrd> adrinux: Have you read http://html5doctor.com/the-figure-figcaption-elements/ ?
# [18:39] <adrinux> yes.
# [18:41] <Fyrd> Ah. Well I haven't yet. :)
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# [18:41] <adrinux> lol
# [18:41] <nimbupani> hahahaha
# [18:41] <adrinux> there's strangely little discussion out there on figure and gallery style pages :)
# [18:42] <nimbupani> Fyrd: i think there is a reason for why we dont look at such things :P
# [18:42] <adrinux> which either means I'm being stupid or nobody is really sure :/
# [18:43] <adrinux> Fyrd: if you read the quote from the W3C specification included on that page - it does fit to the context of a gallery
# [18:44] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Yeah? Like what, too confusing?
# [18:44] <adrinux> my logic is: it's not perhaps the best semantics, but it conforms to the spec and it's better than divs
# [18:45] <nimbupani> Fyrd: coz we dont use it! :P
# [18:45] <Fyrd> I guess the main problem with many of these elements is their basic concept is clear, but it gets hard to figure out the right way to use them in different situations.
# [18:45] <adrinux> yep
# [18:45] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Oh yeah. :)
# [18:46] <adrinux> basic problem with semantics :)
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# [18:46] <Fyrd> adrinux: Yeah I'd personally go with the figure too, seems logical enough.
# [18:46] <adrinux> thanks. I appreciate the sanity chek
# [18:47] <adrinux> or check
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# [18:48] <Fyrd> Happy to vague things up for ya.
# [18:48] <adrinux> lol
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# [19:09] <rgervais> so I'm using @font-face
# [19:09] <rgervais> and folks bring up licensing with using font-face
# [19:09] <rgervais> because 'user are able to get the font'
# [19:09] <rgervais> my question is how?
# [19:10] <rgervais> and where does it download on your computer
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# [19:10] <nimbupani> yes they can by directly linking to the font specified in the url() part of @font-face
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# [19:10] <rgervais> that's the only way?
# [19:11] <nimbupani> umm is that not enough?
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# [19:11] <tw2113> i think using the google fonts, you just end up linking to the fonts on their servers
# [19:11] <rgervais> I think not, users are not that smart
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# [19:11] <rgervais> if you're a developer yes
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# [19:11] <tw2113> if they aren't that smart, then is it really a concern that they can download them?
# [19:12] <rgervais> my point is the main the stopping font-face from going even bigger is licensing
# [19:12] <tw2113> i don't think there is that big of an issue yet
# [19:12] <tw2113> i stick to fontsquirrel for my use
# [19:12] <tw2113> and those way more often than not have been legally cleared
# [19:13] <rgervais> tw2113: personally I do the same too
# [19:13] <rgervais> but i'm getting annoyed with clients who say
# [19:13] <rgervais> I don't want people downloading our fonts
# [19:13] <rgervais> and i'm like, you have to be a geek to get the font
# [19:13] <tw2113> are they licensed directly to said client?
# [19:13] <rgervais> so regular folks it'll be tuff
# [19:13] <tw2113> do they own it?
# [19:13] <rgervais> I have no idea
# [19:14] <tw2113> that'd be the only time I could see them being justified in their worrying
# [19:14] <rgervais> if it's easy to get the font I'd understand
# [19:14] <rgervais> so that's why I ask is there any other easier way
# [19:14] <rgervais> if it isn't easy then why not
# [19:15] <tw2113> i know something like cufon renders in flash, i believe
# [19:15] <tw2113> and i think typekit does something with javascript, but don't quote me on that one
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# [19:16] <rgervais> what if we do something like restrict download from the URL specified in
# [19:16] <rgervais> @font-face?
# [19:16] <rgervais> can be that a solution that prevents from dling
# [19:16] <tw2113> never tried personally
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# [19:17] <tw2113> anyone else have thoughts?
# [19:17] <Fyrd> I know there's been a lot of discussion on the subject.
# [19:17] <Fyrd> And that that's why WOFF was designed the way it is.
# [19:17] <Fyrd> So people can't just take the font and stick it in their fonts folder
# [19:18] <rgervais> but when doing font-face urls like: url('../_fonts/bebas.ttf') format('truetype'),
# [19:19] <rgervais> are there as well
# [19:19] <rgervais> which is the font itself
# [19:19] <nimbupani> yes as far as I know bebas is a free font?
# [19:20] <rgervais> i'm giving an example
# [19:20] <rgervais> and yea bebas is a free font
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# [19:21] <rgervais> i'm trying to say that you can get the font itself is all
# [19:21] <rgervais> though there's WOFF
# [19:21] <Fyrd> Yeah, anyone can download the file from @font-face, I don't think there's any practical ways around it.
# [19:21] <Fyrd> That's why IE doesn't support font-face on TTF and OTF
# [19:21] <Fyrd> Well I think IE9 does now
# [19:22] <rgervais> Fyrd: can we put some sort of permisson to restrict downloads on the '_fonts' folder for example?
# [19:22] <rgervais> something like that, or is that not possible
# [19:22] <Fyrd> rgervais: Wouldn't that stop them from working though?
# [19:23] <rgervais> Fyrd: yea, good point.. darnit
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# [19:23] <rgervais> this sux
# [19:23] <Fyrd> Yup.
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# [19:23] <Fyrd> I'd say stick with free fonts.
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# [19:23] <rgervais> honestly for my open I use whatever i want free or not
# [19:23] <rgervais> it's just clients
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# [19:24] <rgervais> but anyway, I'll just recommend free fonts
# [19:25] <Fyrd> So your client(s) designed their own font, want it used on the site, but not through font-face? Or did they just pay for it?
# [19:26] <rgervais> yea well one of them designed they're own fonts but doesn't want it out there downloadable
# [19:26] <Fyrd> You could convert it to EOT and WOFF, that'll mostly deal with the problem.
# [19:26] <Fyrd> And it'll work on most browsers.
# [19:26] <rgervais> what's 'most'?
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# [19:26] <rgervais> specific plz
# [19:27] <Fyrd> http://caniuse.com/eot and http://caniuse.com/woff
# [19:27] <rgervais> any loss on using EOT or WOFF quality wise on fonts itself?
# [19:27] <Fyrd> rgervais: Shouldn't be, no.
# [19:27] <rgervais> and what do i use to convert
# [19:27] <Fyrd> Not sure, you'd have to google
# [19:28] <rgervais> and can one convert backwards (example. eot to TTF)
# [19:28] <Fyrd> Not from EOT that I know of.
# [19:28] <Fyrd> Could be wrong.
# [19:28] <Fyrd> But WOFF, yes.
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# [19:28] <rgervais> hmm, that might be something
# [19:29] <Fyrd> WOFF is basically a TTF zipped with some licensing info
# [19:29] <rgervais> will research
# [19:29] <paul_irish> rgervais: use the font squirrel generator
# [19:29] <paul_irish> you will have support for everything but ff3.0
# [19:29] <tw2113> i kind of have to feel that in MOST cases, you're not going to have anything to worry about regarding font theft
# [19:29] <paul_irish> which is pretty much dead now
# [19:29] <rgervais> paul_irish: I use that
# [19:29] <tw2113> you'll run into some crafty people dedicated to getting it
# [19:29] <paul_irish> GOOD
# [19:29] <rgervais> I'm specifically talking about a way for them not to download the font
# [19:29] <tw2113> but most people aren't going to go through the effort needed
# [19:29] <rgervais> and we're debating best ways to go about that
# [19:30] <rgervais> tw2113: true and I get that
# [19:30] <rgervais> but clients don't
# [19:30] <tw2113> educate the mofos
# [19:31] <paul_irish> lol http://theie9countdown.com
# [19:31] <tw2113> whaaaaaaaaaa something i put online may get stoled....the internet must be stopped
# [19:31] <rgervais> well easy to say :)
# [19:31] <rgervais> haha lol
# [19:31] <rgervais> if i can just shut there mouth and say,... um guess what it aint downloadable period
# [19:31] <danielfilho> genius this ie9 countdown
# [19:31] <danielfilho> hahaha
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# [19:32] <paul_irish> rgervais: see the WebOnly setting in the generator. and then read this http://www.typophile.com/node/70404
# [19:32] <Fyrd> paul_irish: HA! Brilliant
# [19:32] <danielfilho> but would be better a countdown to extinction
# [19:32] <tw2113> MS is going all crazy with countdowns
# [19:36] <rgervais> paul_irish: interesting.. that might be solution
# [19:37] <rgervais> thanks everyone for the input
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# [19:38] <rgervais> got one more question, in that you say 'While we are waiting for WOFF support broadly'
# [19:38] <rgervais> what do you mean by that?
# [19:38] <paul_irish> woff is in ff4, chrome6, ie9, opera 11.1 and.... probably not safari
# [19:38] <paul_irish> but.. back when i wrote this it was only supported by .. umm...
# [19:38] <paul_irish> nobody
# [19:38] <paul_irish> it was a while ago
# [19:39] <paul_irish> woff is very type foundry - friendly
# [19:39] <paul_irish> TTF scares the shit out of them.. or at least the wimpy ones
# [19:39] <rgervais> and i assume it can't be converted to TTF?
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# [19:39] <rgervais> which is key
# [19:39] <paul_irish> oh of course it can!
# [19:39] <rgervais> cool
# [19:40] <paul_irish> which kinda defeats the purpose? you could argue that... but.. whatever
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# [19:41] <Fyrd> From what I understand, the foundries just wanted SOME way to block people from using fonts, rather than not having anything by directly using TTF
# [19:41] <Fyrd> WOFF basically says "sure you can just use this font, but this here license says you'd be a bad boy. And the font police will get you eventually"
# [19:42] <rgervais> I never realized the 'Web only' option in font-squirrel
# [19:42] <rgervais> I usually chose optimal, but I do see it in expert mode
# [19:42] <rgervais> so def will try it
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# [20:26] <davidmurdoch> need recommendations for a "your browser is old. upgrade it yo" link for  type messages
# [20:26] <davidmurdoch> still
# [20:27] <Moo-_-_> davidmurdoch: one mo, I have one
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# [20:27] <gavacho> davidmurdoch: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46907/what-should-we-tell-our-unsupported-ie6-users
# [20:27] <Moo-_-_> davidmurdoch: or use one from gavacho :)
# [20:27] <Moo-_-_> I have slapped getfirefox.com banner at the bottom of the message
# [20:28] <davidmurdoch> isn't there a paul_irish endorsed one?
# [20:29] <paul_irish> oh you're over ehre
# [20:29] <paul_irish> nah there is a endorsed You dont have javascript enabled YOU FOOL. fix that here
# [20:30] <paul_irish> but i just recommend a notice that says "install this little chromeframe plugin and you'll be good"
# [20:30] <paul_irish> "or upgrade to a real browser FF/Chrome like everyone has been telling you to "
# [20:30] <paul_irish> you slag
# [20:30] <davidmurdoch> haha
# [20:31] <davidmurdoch> <3 chrome frame.
# [20:32] <davidmurdoch> and you can usually easily sell the idea to a non-techy client/managment by telling them the site/app uses some advanced technology ...yadda yadda... so users should download the plugin for ...yadda yadda.
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# [20:35] <Fyrd> davidmurdoch: There's http://upgradeyourbrowser.net though it sadly doesn't include Opera
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# [20:36] <nimbupani> its so depressing Fyrd to see everyone in the US ignore opera.
# [20:36] <Fyrd> Plus I wouldn't recommend Safari/Win to anyone.
# [20:36] <nimbupani> while everyone outside of it actually using them.
# [20:37] <Fyrd> nimbupani: Much like soccer.
# [20:37] <nimbupani> hahaha
# [20:37] <davidmurdoch> ie6update is more "corporate" and appropriate for the site I'm deving now.
# [20:37] <techrush> opera really needs to work on their UI and not use QT for me to consider it
# [20:37] <davidmurdoch> I love soccer
# [20:37] <techrush> open sourcing the code would help also
# [20:38] <Fyrd> techrush: According to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/opera-10-5-for-linux-ditches-qt-is-faster-than-chrome/ Opera no longer uses QT
# [20:38] <davidmurdoch> ie6update it is...though that tiny little security bar is probably part of the reason they still use IE6.
# [20:38] <bentruyman> what are browsers supposed to do if they handle the <video> tag but don't handle the formats specified??
# [20:38] <bentruyman> Flash fallbacks don't seem to work
# [20:39] <nimbupani> techrush: i really dont see how OS the code is relevant
# [20:39] <nimbupani> as long as it renders the standards.
# [20:39] <davidmurdoch> and the fact that IE8 is forever "top-of-the-line" for IE6 users.
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# [20:42] <techrush> ill have to give the latest opera a shot i geuss
# [20:42] <Fyrd> davidmurdoch: Yeah, if IE8 is good enough for people then ie6update makes sense. Though you're clearly not using HTML5. :)
# [20:43] <davidmurdoch> sorry, i meant that last comments to be a negative.
# [20:43] <davidmurdoch> haha
# [20:43] * davidmurdoch cannot type correctly to save his live
# [20:45] <Moo-_-_> Fyrd: if you are doing facebook apps IE6 is no-go
# [20:45] <Moo-_-_> it felt soooo good to put "ooops." page for those users
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# [20:51] <jetienne> i had webgl running on chrome stable 9 and recent update to 10 made it unavailable ? is there some special cmdline options ? or button to click ?
# [20:52] <niftylettuce> today is ash wednesday for some -- http://goo.gl/FePjF
# [20:53] <davidmurdoch> OMG: http://code.google.com/p/ie6-upgrade-warning/source/browse/trunk/ie6/warning.js
# [20:53] <niftylettuce> what!!
# [20:54] <niftylettuce> old..
# [20:54] <davidmurdoch> i can image the dev thinking: "Loops are slow in IE. Oh, and those array things...those are probably slow too." I'll just unroll everything.
# [20:55] <davidmurdoch> *imagine
# [20:55] <Fyrd> davidmurdoch: Ha ha. Yeah, that's some pretty awful code.
# [20:55] * niftylettuce that dev was WINNING
# [20:55] <davidmurdoch> haha
# [20:57] <davidmurdoch> args, to any ReSharper users....ReSharper 6.0 EAP doesn't know about protocol relative URLs. I really hope they fix this.
# [20:58] <niftylettuce> davidmurdoch: you should clean it up for the poor fella
# [20:58] * davidmurdoch busy
# [20:58] <davidmurdoch> haha
# [20:59] * niftylettuce busy = winning
# [20:59] <niftylettuce> -.-
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# [21:08] <davidmurdoch> http://www.browser-update.org/ ... WINNING!
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# [21:08] <niftylettuce> haha
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# [21:13] <Fyrd> davidmurdoch: Ooh, I rather like that one.
# [21:14] <paul_irish> thatryan has a site for this too
# [21:15] <nimbupani> neet
# [21:15] <Fyrd> http://ie10countdown.com
# [21:15] <jetienne> paul_irish: is there any issue with chrome stable and webgl. how come webgl no more work since i updated to chrome10 ? anything known ? or is it a local bug which appear just when i update chrome from 9 to 10 ?
# [21:16] <davidmurdoch> Are you on windows XP?
# [21:16] <jetienne> runing linux
# [21:16] <davidmurdoch> noclue
# [21:16] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: still work on xp ?
# [21:17] <davidmurdoch> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/03/gpu-acceleration-old-drivers.html
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# [21:18] <davidmurdoch> oh yah, they also "blacklisted" my graphics card. haha
# [21:18] <paul_irish> jetienne: umm
# [21:18] <paul_irish> dunno
# [21:18] <paul_irish> report a bug
# [21:18] <paul_irish> if it worked fine in 9 and doesnt in 10
# [21:18] <paul_irish> plzzz
# [21:18] <Moo-_-_> hahhah
# [21:18] <jetienne> paul_irish: anyway to get a 9 somewhere ?
# [21:18] <Moo-_-_> I thought FF4 and Linux was the only one having problems
# [21:19] <Moo-_-_> maybe this will put some pressure to write decent drivers
# [21:19] <jetienne> i got a webgl game to code for new week :(
# [21:19] <Moo-_-_> what's the situation with webgl and ie10?
# [21:19] <Moo-_-_> sorry
# [21:19] <Moo-_-_> ie9
# [21:19] <jetienne> hmmm i got a mac in a corner, is safari ok with webgl ?
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# [21:20] <Fyrd> Ah, that also explains why WebGL stopped working on my OSX 10.5 Mac. :(
# [21:20] <Moo-_-_> jetienne: at least apple hasn't come up with any cool "apple only" webgl demos, so I think they are not cool with it :)
# [21:20] <jetienne> Fyrd: i got report of it failing on mac/win/linux...
# [21:21] <jetienne> Fyrd: mac is troublesome as their gfx card are uniform
# [21:21] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: they should have done like websocket... leave it enable, even with explicit so we can dev on it
# [21:22] <jetienne> i tried --enabled-webgl but it doesnt change
# [21:23] <davidmurdoch> about:gpu
# [21:23] <davidmurdoch> type that in your address bar
# [21:23] <Fyrd> I agree, jetienne
# [21:23] <davidmurdoch> I get: Hardware Acceleration Unavailable
# [21:23] <Moo-_-_> hmm the rumour tells at #other channel that FF4 RC1 had been released to wild
# [21:23] <davidmurdoch> "Drivers older than 2009-01 on Windows are assumed to be buggy."
# [21:23] <davidmurdoch> "NVIDIA drivers older thn 257.21 on Windows XP are assumed to be buggy"
# [21:23] <Fyrd> Moo-_-_: Ooh, really?
# [21:24] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: lol about:gpu is telling me it is supported
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# [21:24] <jetienne> GL_RENDERER ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
# [21:24] <davidmurdoch> well, I guess they just hate you? lol
# [21:24] <Fyrd> I get GL_RENDERER ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO OpenGL Engine
# [21:25] <jetienne> i guess :)
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# [21:28] <jetienne> ok more seriously is webgl ok in safari ?
# [21:28] <jetienne> i need a webgl computer to code my silly game :)
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# [21:29] <Fyrd> jetienne: No WebGL in Safari 5, might be in 6
# [21:29] <jetienne> so currently no browser got webgl support ?
# [21:29] <antonkovalyov> oh my oh my
# [21:29] <antonkovalyov> crockford is speaking on txjs
# [21:29] <antonkovalyov> so excited
# [21:30] <mokush_> you guys, is there a way to change the scrollbar position (inside/outside of box), maybe using box-sizing?
# [21:30] <Fyrd> jetienne: http://caniuse.com/webgl
# [21:31] <nimbupani> :D :D :D
# [21:31] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: you should ask about jshint then
# [21:31] <jetienne> Fyrd: this stuff say chromes support webgl :)
# [21:31] <Fyrd> jetienne: Well, it should... :(
# [21:31] <Fyrd> jetienne: Perhaps I should make it partial.
# [21:31] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, :-)
# [21:31] <Fyrd> Though I think FF4 has the same restrictions
# [21:32] <Fyrd> mokush_: You can set the scrollTop and scrollLeft properties on DOM elements...is that what you mean?
# [21:33] <mokush_> Fyrd: I mean, when you have overflow: scroll on a node, the position where the scrollbars will be rendered, inside or outside of the div
# [21:34] <Fyrd> mokush_: Oooh. Dunno about that.
# [21:35] <nimbupani> mokush_: its not consistent what is considered within or without the width.
# [21:35] <mokush_> nimbupani: damn browser makers
# [21:35] <nimbupani> i saw a stackoverflow q on that i think
# [21:37] <davidmurdoch> eh, http://www.browser-update.org/ is useless. fails on my IE ua.
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# [21:40] <davidmurdoch> i have chromeframe installed but disabled. chromeframe is still in the UA though. weird. must be a chromeframe bug.
# [21:41] <miketaylr> shocking.
# [21:41] <davidmurdoch> on to try http://www.pushuptheweb.com/
# [21:42] <davidmurdoch> grr: "After uploading the files from the Pushup package to your server, include the Pushup CSS and javascript file in your header."
# [21:42] <tw2113> firefox, opera, chrome, ie, any other browsers i should put on XP?
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# [21:42] <davidmurdoch> why do they think they should take priority over the rest of my resources.
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# [22:20] <davidmurdoch> discuss: why are 34% of the users in china still using IE6?
# [22:21] <Michael> Probably because the Chinese government greatly limits what its citizens can access on the internet
# [22:22] <Michael> Where did you see that stat?
# [22:22] <Michael> tw2113, safari
# [22:22] <davidmurdoch> microsft ie6countdown site
# [22:22] <Michael> davidmurdoch, http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=chinese+government+internet
# [22:22] <miketaylr> davidmurdoch: because it's all pirated XPs that can't upgrade
# [22:23] <Michael> haha or that
# [22:23] <Moo-_-_> davidmurdoch: there was a blog post about thet
# [22:23] <Moo-_-_> it is also cultural
# [22:23] <Moo-_-_> chinese mainly build websites for IE6 first, other browsers cost extra
# [22:23] <tw2113> they're weird over there at times anyway
# [22:23] <bckenny> i dont know if that counts as "cultural"
# [22:23] <Moo-_-_> davidmurdoch: http://blog.mozilla.com/ligong/2010/01/22/china%E2%80%99s-strange-fixation-on-ie6/
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# [22:25] <davidmurdoch> ah, thanks. now I know.
# [22:27] <davidmurdoch> if they pirated windows xp they should just pirate windows 7 and get it over with. :-)
# [22:27] * davidmurdoch does not endorse pirated software.
# [22:27] <Michael> Or install chrome
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# [23:08] <Michael> great!
# [23:08] <Michael> and ouch: http://www.playerpress.com/articles/13628-braves-coach-luis-salazar-hit-in-face-with-foul-ball-
# [23:08] <Michael> We're all going to the game tomorrow
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