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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 17 00:00:01 2011
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  8. # [00:11] <speakman> Is there a "HTML5"/"ES5" way of making a digital clock on screen, updating each second?
  9. # [00:12] <hober> speakman: I believe jwz ported xdaliclock to <canvas> :)
  10. # [00:12] <speakman> hehe I was more thinking of a more propriate way to use timers :)
  11. # [00:13] <speakman> A little bit more accurate than just setTimeout(.., 1000) :)
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  13. # [00:17] <speakman> (when creating such one in a non-javascript environment you often get the ms left until next full-second swap and make a sleep() the amount of miliseconds and when done sleeping, updating the clock with the new value. This makes it amazingly accurate)
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  46. # [02:24] <uf0> ok need advice
  47. # [02:25] <uf0> I work for a company with clients still say want their site to support ie6
  48. # [02:25] <uf0> I've been working ie6 in 2010 and before
  49. # [02:25] <uf0> and this new year i refuse to support the browser
  50. # [02:25] <uf0> but here's the catch, it's my job
  51. # [02:25] <uf0> what should i do?
  52. # [02:26] <uf0> as in i'm fine with building sites ie7 and up, ff, chrome etc
  53. # [02:26] <tw2113> you could either not fight and keep supporting, or create a valid concise arguement as to why IE6 is seriously irrelevant anymore
  54. # [02:26] <uf0> what if they say, we don't agree
  55. # [02:26] <tw2113> insert arguements like development time needed to fix all the issues, increased resources etc
  56. # [02:27] <uf0> can I say, fine then get someone to fix those ie6 issues\
  57. # [02:27] <uf0> cuz im not
  58. # [02:27] <tw2113> if you want to risk it
  59. # [02:27] <uf0> it's effin' stupid though.. damn
  60. # [02:28] <uf0> why do i need to explain to not build sites for a browser that's 10 years old?
  61. # [02:28] <uf0> it becomes an argument with fools
  62. # [02:28] <tw2113> because it has a long history of still being around
  63. # [02:28] <uf0> and the person fixing is me at the end of day.. and i'm done with it
  64. # [02:28] <uf0> i'm sick of it
  65. # [02:28] <uf0> loll
  66. # [02:29] <tw2113> like i said, present a solid arguement against it, and present
  67. # [02:29] <tw2113> er, take off that end part :D i repeated myself
  68. # [02:29] <uf0> hmm.. i'll see
  69. # [02:30] <uf0> fuckin ie9 is out now
  70. # [02:30] <tw2113> the first bit was getting people off of IE6, now it's turning into a case of getting people off of XP
  71. # [02:31] <tw2113> so that they can get upgraded to IE9
  72. # [02:32] <tw2113> that's going to be the harder part, imho
  73. # [02:33] <uf0> blah
  74. # [02:34] <uf0> i just want to say "Guys I don't fix for ie6 anymore, cheers" lol
  75. # [02:34] <uf0> they should be happy i'm still doing ie7
  76. # [02:34] <uf0> anyway, i'll see what to do
  77. # [02:34] <tw2113> all a matter of convincing the client
  78. # [02:34] <tw2113> don't forget to monitor visitor traffic
  79. # [02:35] <tw2113> see how many people are actually using it
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  81. # [02:36] <uf0> i could care less about that, in the U.S. it's less than 2%
  82. # [02:36] <uf0> that's what matters
  83. # [02:36] <uf0> i don't live in China
  84. # [02:36] <tw2113> personally, i wouldn't feel bad about offending 50 people with a bad lookin website
  85. # [02:36] <uf0> it's stupid obvious
  86. # [02:36] <uf0> China is the only country that can argue lol
  87. # [02:37] <tw2113> honestly, with my personal traffic, that'd be a lot of people, but if they get 1000s daily or so, 50 isn't much
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  89. # [02:40] <tw2113> i'm just not afraid to offend a small handful of people
  90. # [02:41] <uf0> the people going to your site
  91. # [02:41] <uf0> or the client
  92. # [02:41] <uf0> which one?
  93. # [02:41] <tw2113> my site
  94. # [02:41] <uf0> and actually i have no contact with client
  95. # [02:42] <tw2113> well, sites
  96. # [02:42] <uf0> i work for a company that has clients
  97. # [02:42] <uf0> ohok
  98. # [02:42] <tw2113> if i could, i'd offend the "potential customers" too
  99. # [02:44] <uf0> gotcha
  100. # [02:48] <tw2113> you could get flat out arrogant "if you're using that browser, i don't want your business"
  101. # [02:48] <tw2113> at least for the personal level
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  104. # [03:05] <speakman> I'm about to put log output stream on a html5 page. How do I do that best? And to make sure the most lower item is always shown?
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  123. # [03:46] <speakman> Anyone knows how to make CSS3 animations apply on dynamically created elements? I'd like new <p>'s to fade in when added.
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  127. # [03:55] <shichuan> i am not sure if it's just me, google instant freezes sometimes
  128. # [03:59] <shichuan> nimbupani: how do you feel the duo existence of opera mini and opera mobile browser?
  129. # [04:00] <speakman> Are there any jQuery-like selectors in html5?
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  139. # [04:28] <nimbupani> ?tell shichuan wat u mean?
  140. # [04:28] <bot-t> nimbupani, Okay.
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  274. # [14:00] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish...dev tools is driving me insane right now.
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  277. # [14:02] <davidmurdoch> its amazing how much I've begun to rely on it...and now that the inspector doesn't do anything at all (sometimes)...well, i suck.
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  279. # [14:06] <davidmurdoch> looks like it has something to do with xhtml and a form with a block level element.
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  282. # [14:14] <davidmurdoch> take that back. it has something to do with "background:url();"
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  300. # [15:09] <zo0mm> hi there
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  311. # [15:45] <paul_irish> HAPPY ST PATTYS DAY EVERYONE!!!1`
  312. # [15:46] <Michael> I'm wearing an Ireland t-shirt.
  313. # [15:46] <Michael> I was tempted to chug some Jameson this morning but decided not to
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  315. # [16:02] <jamey-uk> I want to make a page layout (DTP-style) web app using <canvas>, can anyone offer any advice and considerations? The hardest part so far looks like converting it to PDF at some point.
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  324. # [16:28] <jetienne> TYPE_MISMATCH_ERR: DOM Exception 17 i damn you
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  326. # [16:30] <jetienne> i got this in chrome when putting an image in a canvas... but i got this if i download the image from a remote site, or a local site
  327. # [16:30] <jetienne> how can i know the list of possible errors which triggers this exception 17 on canvas
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  336. # [16:40] <moo-_-> jetienne: there is webkit source code... :)
  337. # [16:40] <jetienne> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#dom-context-2d-drawimage
  338. # [16:40] <jetienne> moo-_-: :)
  339. # [16:41] <moo-_-> I have sometimes dived there when debugging cryptic errors on mobile
  340. # [16:41] <moo-_-> android, to be specific
  341. # [16:41] <moo-_-> I recommend scuba gear when going down
  342. # [16:41] <jetienne> i think the error is mine
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  344. # [16:42] <moo-_-> jetienne: you know... there must be some programmer somewhere you has wrote the code giving you the error. all is left is to 1) find the error code 2) find who wrote it 3) send him/her email and ask politely :)
  345. # [16:43] <moo-_-> this is the theory how open source community works :)
  346. # [16:43] <moo-_-> I saw recenty a fun bug report
  347. # [16:43] <moo-_-> Modernizr was crashing FF4 in Linux on Economist site
  348. # [16:44] <moo-_-> the developer was asking "What is this Modernizr thing and why it is slowing web pages by creating webGL contextes which it is not going to use" :)
  349. # [16:44] <jetienne> moo-_-: even in this pink scenario. i will have to wait a lot :)
  350. # [16:44] <moo-_-> so developers would be happy to receive some feedback from the real world :)
  351. # [16:44] <moo-_-> jetienne: but it is *right* thing do to ;)
  352. # [16:44] <moo-_-> of course
  353. # [16:44] <moo-_-> then we have real-life and deadlines
  354. # [16:45] <moo-_-> :<
  355. # [16:45] <paul_irish> moo-_-: yeah i want them to upgrade to the latest modernizr
  356. # [16:45] <paul_irish> lemme knkow if you know their devs
  357. # [16:45] <moo-_-> paul_irish: Economist?
  358. # [16:47] <paul_irish> ya
  359. # [16:47] <jetienne> moo-_-: yep, just found my bug... brownbag avoided :)
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  361. # [16:49] <moo-_-> paul_irish: unfortunately I have no connections there. I came across this when browsing FF Bugzilla.
  362. # [16:49] <paul_irish> kthx
  363. # [16:51] <moo-_-> paul_irish: but I can dig up the bug report if you want to see it
  364. # [16:51] <paul_irish> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616416
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  367. # [16:52] <moo-_-> that's it
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  370. # [16:53] <moo-_-> paul_irish: has Modernizr been changed since then?
  371. # [16:54] <paul_irish> yup
  372. # [16:54] <paul_irish> no more 3d context creation
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  374. # [16:54] <paul_irish> it was a weak feature inference that false positive's instead.
  375. # [16:54] <paul_irish> :)
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  377. # [16:56] <Neiluj> better than the fix itself, you can choose the feature-detection you really need, love that
  378. # [16:56] <paul_irish> true
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  390. # [17:10] <paul_irish> https://sites.google.com/site/lastcallforio2011/chrome
  391. # [17:10] <paul_irish> just started
  392. # [17:12] * moo-_- hears productivity going down in all new media companies
  393. # [17:12] <swalk> US only :(
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  395. # [17:13] <moo-_-> swalk: we should arrange a competing event sponsored by one of the glorious european internet companies
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  397. # [17:14] <moo-_-> I bet we have as many Internet companies as we have super heroes in Europe
  398. # [17:14] <swalk> that sounds great, except i live in canada
  399. # [17:14] <moo-_-> swalk: we can fixthat
  400. # [17:14] <moo-_-> finland has very similar climate to canada. and we play ice hockey, too.
  401. # [17:15] <swalk> you had me at cold weather
  402. # [17:15] <swalk> not a hockey fan though
  403. # [17:15] <moo-_-> me neither
  404. # [17:15] <moo-_-> but you gotta play with the cards you have
  405. # [17:15] <althie> If we look similiraties, finland and canada has both internet connections
  406. # [17:16] <althie> similarities*
  407. # [17:16] <moo-_-> both have also bilingual minorities
  408. # [17:16] <swalk> i have a feeling the weather in finland is much worse than in toronto too
  409. # [17:16] <swalk> and by worse i mean colder and more snow
  410. # [17:16] <moo-_-> swalk: global warming will fix that for you
  411. # [17:16] <moo-_-> bring your own palm trees on arrival
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  449. # [18:32] <Michael> This is becoming my response of the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3uxqwTxk0
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  477. # [19:30] <30BAA0CK6> any of you guys familiar with Twitter anywhere? Anything on this?
  478. # [19:30] <30BAA0CK6> http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/2ec8f0ce984fd6e5/8e4db35fa82b22ca?lnk=gst&q=%40anywhere#8e4db35fa82b22ca
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  493. # [19:45] <Michael> 30BAA0CK6, I have not.
  494. # [19:46] <Michael> Your nickname reminds me of those botnets that used to plague IRC networks lol
  495. # [19:46] <30BAA0CK6> Michael: it's quassel gone mad, I don't know where it got this nick from, cuz' it's in no configs
  496. # [19:47] <Michael> lol
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  498. # [19:47] <mokush> ah, much better
  499. # [19:47] <Michael> No point in me philosophizing anymore then :)
  500. # [19:47] <mokush> maybe quassel has some nostalgia goin' on
  501. # [19:47] <mokush> any ideea about some sort of oauth-proxy to use with some js?
  502. # [19:48] <Michael> Maybe with gadgets
  503. # [19:48] <Michael> http://code.google.com/apis/gadgets/docs/oauth.html
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  506. # [19:50] <Michael> Hey quassel looks cool. I need a client I can attach/detach from my server
  507. # [19:50] <Michael> without ssh
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