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  51. # [02:24] <ajh_555> Hey, relevant to http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105727/web/backticks.html -- does anyone know if the HTML5 spec defines backticks as a delimiter for element attribute values? Did HTML4?
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  56. # [02:40] <ajh_555> Anyone know if backticks are legal attribute value delimiters in the spec?
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  155. # [10:32] <jetienne> img.style = "display: none;" <- this doesnt seem to work in my source... but it should, right ?
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  158. # [10:56] <Dorward> jetienne: No. The style property is an object with a property for each CSS property. img.style.display = 'none'
  159. # [11:00] <jetienne> Dorward: duh. thanks
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  161. # [11:15] <acies> that would be the recommended way, yes. you can, however, treat it as a HTMLElement attribute if you use .setAttribute("style", "...");
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  164. # [11:30] <Dorward> Unless you need it to work on not-terribly-up-to-date versions of Internet Explorer where setAttribute = function (foo, bar) { this[foo] = bar; }
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  244. # [16:22] <jetienne> got the weirdest "flash is still required"... i want to read the mouse delta X. aka everytime the mouse go to left, i know how much...
  245. # [16:23] <jetienne> i cant use 'mousemove' event... the issue is that the mouse cursor is blocked at 0 or innerWidth
  246. # [16:23] <jetienne> so the user going left several time will get blocked at 0
  247. # [16:23] <jetienne> or did i miss something ?
  248. # [16:29] <jetienne> thinking about it, im not even sure it is possible with flash :)
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  251. # [16:36] <jetienne> i go cry in the html game coder cimetary
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  256. # [16:43] <paul_irish> nimbupani: yessss you rang?
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  264. # [16:57] <paul_irish> http://sixrevisions.com/web_design/why-ie9-is-a-web-designers-nightmare/ eesh
  265. # [16:58] <nimbupani> yuzz i did paul_irish now the message has been delivered.
  266. # [16:58] <Michael> paul_irish, I'm already finding out
  267. # [16:58] <Michael> e.g. you have to specify all 4 corners for border-radius
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  269. # [16:59] <paul_irish> Michael: noooooo
  270. # [16:59] <paul_irish> no way
  271. # [16:59] <Michael> No way what?
  272. # [16:59] <Michael> You're in disbelief or disagreement?
  273. # [16:59] <paul_irish> little of both
  274. # [17:00] <Michael> Oh maybe you're right
  275. # [17:00] <Michael> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/635851/support-for-border-radius-in-ie
  276. # [17:00] <Michael> @nailer: Thanks for updating the corners.. The first alpha vs and beta vs of IE9 required all 4 corners declared. I just downloaded the latest ie9 RC and it is letting me declare one value.. Not sure when that changed
  277. # [17:00] <Michael> I have 1 value and it isn't displaying so I assumed it's still broken
  278. # [17:00] <paul_irish> x-ua-compat ?
  279. # [17:01] <Michael> ah crap I need that?
  280. # [17:01] <Michael> How will that affect chrome, ff etc?
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  282. # [17:03] <Michael> paul_irish, I was hoping for -ie-border-radius personally
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  284. # [17:04] <msierks> I know how to use multiple background-images, but is the same possible with background-colors ?
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  286. # [17:04] <Michael> You want a gradient?
  287. # [17:05] <Michael> http://gradients.glrzad.com/
  288. # [17:05] <Michael> there's a demo
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  290. # [17:06] <msierks> nope I don't need a gradient, I am trying to figure out why I can have multiple background images but not have musltiple background colors
  291. # [17:07] <Michael> I just proved that you can.
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  294. # [17:13] <Michael> paul_irish, TBH that seems like a lot of nitpicking to me
  295. # [17:13] <paul_irish> his post?
  296. # [17:13] <Michael> yeah
  297. # [17:14] <paul_irish> its a bad post.
  298. # [17:14] <Michael> Creating that title and then having your only argument be silly little UI perceived flaws makes the rest of the community loko bad
  299. # [17:14] <Michael> look
  300. # [17:14] <Michael> "F12 Developer Tools" OMG bad browser!
  301. # [17:14] <Michael> I'm like "Na"
  302. # [17:15] <Michael> I want to see a good post on this though.
  303. # [17:17] <akahn> 7/part
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  309. # [17:26] <uf0> border-radius works for IE9
  310. # [17:27] <uf0> no need for extra declarations
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  315. # [17:30] <uf0> i'm using this : border-radius:32px;
  316. # [17:30] <uf0> and it works perfectly and IE9
  317. # [17:30] <uf0> so I'm not sure what Michael is talking about
  318. # [17:30] <uf0> i hope you have IE9 final
  319. # [17:30] <uf0> and not RC
  320. # [17:30] <Michael> Yes I do
  321. # [17:30] <uf0> well it works perfectly for me
  322. # [17:30] <Michael> I think it's because I'm missing the x-ua-compatible header.
  323. # [17:30] <Michael> not sure if I want to include that or not. Not too concerned with IE9 atm
  324. # [17:31] <uf0> maybe
  325. # [17:31] <uf0> i do have the <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge,chrome=1">
  326. # [17:31] <uf0> in my html
  327. # [17:31] <Michael> hmm
  328. # [17:32] <uf0> why aren't u concerned about ie9?
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  330. # [17:34] <uf0> and honestly it should be standard that you up x-ua
  331. # [17:34] <uf0> because i ran into that issue twice
  332. # [17:34] <uf0> where it falls back to compatability mode
  333. # [17:34] <uf0> that solves my problems all the time
  334. # [17:35] <Michael> We have the header it's just not set to IE9
  335. # [17:35] <uf0> if you don't care about ie in general fine but if you do ALWAYS put that
  336. # [17:35] <Michael> slow down there buddy
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  338. # [17:35] <uf0> just set it to edge
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  340. # [17:35] <Michael> You have no idea what I'm doing and unfortunately I can't tell you :)
  341. # [17:35] <uf0> i'm just stating facts here
  342. # [17:36] <uf0> and i don't need to know what you're doing
  343. # [17:36] <Michael> You're hostile for no cause from me.
  344. # [17:36] <uf0> lol i'm not hostile, i think you're a bit sensitive
  345. # [17:37] <uf0> just take the positives from what i said and ignore what you think is negative :)
  346. # [17:37] <uf0> simple
  347. # [17:37] <Michael> quit being an ass.
  348. # [17:37] <uf0> all in all border-radius should work, that's my point anyway
  349. # [17:38] <uf0> cheers
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  365. # [18:09] <paul_irish> yay http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto28/css/viewportdeviceadaptation/
  366. # [18:09] * paul_irish hugs uf0
  367. # [18:09] * paul_irish hugs Michael
  368. # [18:10] <paul_irish> CSS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
  369. # [18:10] <Michael> "These problems matter"
  370. # [18:11] <Michael> paul_irish, That's pretty sweet
  371. # [18:11] <paul_irish> verymuchso
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  375. # [18:20] <uf0> :)
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  380. # [18:25] <uf0> i noticed in that link they have a 'zoom' property
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  384. # [18:25] <uf0> if it's implemented in css spec in general, i wonder how that'll effect IE
  385. # [18:25] <uf0> since it already has a infamous "zoom: 1;"
  386. # [18:26] <nimbupani> zoom 1 means no zoom
  387. # [18:26] <nimbupani> which is good.
  388. # [18:26] <uf0> yea i don't even know what zoom does in IE besides triggering layout
  389. # [18:27] <uf0> will they mean the same thing?
  390. # [18:27] <uf0> just a thought...
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  392. # [18:30] <paul_irish> webkit zoom has to be a % unit
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  396. # [18:33] <adrinux> ufo afaik IE zoom is a magnification factor, zoom 2 would be double size, or 200%
  397. # [18:34] <uf0> i see
  398. # [18:34] <adrinux> we use zoom: 1 because it means 100%, no change in magnification in other words. just triggers hasLayout of course
  399. # [18:34] <uf0> gotcha, yea that's what i used it for haslayout.. but never thought what i did
  400. # [18:34] <uf0> until now obviously
  401. # [18:34] <uf0> it did*
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  403. # [18:38] <adrinux> ufo think this is the closest you'll get to an official explanatin http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms531189(v=VS.85).aspx
  404. # [18:38] <adrinux> or explanation
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  406. # [18:38] <adrinux> ><
  407. # [18:39] <uf0> thxx
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  415. # [18:48] <Michael> paul_irish, reading this https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dg63dpc6_4d7vkk6ch
  416. # [18:49] <Michael> I imagine you're pretty familiar with it
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  418. # [18:49] <Michael> Beginning to implement feature toggles and looking for pointers
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  420. # [18:50] <paul_irish> mmhmm
  421. # [18:51] <Michael> One thing I don't understand is how you deal with a situation where 5 people are merging
  422. # [18:51] <Michael> How do you figure out who broke the build if it breaks?
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  425. # [18:56] <paul_irish> http://stuff4designers.com/2011/03/15/how-to-use-font-size-adjust/
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  434. # [19:04] <Michael> cool
  435. # [19:04] <Michael> I want to tweet that
  436. # [19:06] <Michael> did something similar in JS a long time ago
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  442. # [19:17] <jetienne> canvasctx.strokeText("foobar", 0, 0); <- i would like to center this center in a canvas, how can i estimate the size of the output of "stroteText"
  443. # [19:17] <jetienne> not sure to be clear
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  506. # [21:36] <TheEmpath> hi kids
  507. # [21:36] <TheEmpath> so lets say i have a general manager class in JS that handles ImageContent, VideoContent, and AudioContent
  508. # [21:37] <TheEmpath> these Content objects have the url of the various src's
  509. # [21:37] <TheEmpath> now lets say im using a CACHE-MANIFEST
  510. # [21:38] <TheEmpath> any request from these custom objects would be referring to the cache-manifest first, yes?
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  524. # [22:16] <digitalfiz> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge,chrome=1"> keeps IE from going into compatibility mode right?
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  527. # [22:25] <digitalfiz> blasted jquery
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  534. # [22:33] <tw2113> so is stuff like a:visited going away for styling and whatnot? I don't quite get the issues with the :visited pseudo class still.
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  536. # [22:34] <uf0> digitalfiz: blasted jquery?
  537. # [22:34] <uf0> what you mean?
  538. # [22:34] <digitalfiz> well really blasted Galleria
  539. # [22:35] <digitalfiz> when Galleria runs it sets the site im using it on all out of whack in IE
  540. # [22:35] <digitalfiz> its really odd what it does too
  541. # [22:35] <nimbupani> tw2113: https://www.indiana.edu/~phishing/browser-recon/
  542. # [22:35] <digitalfiz> http://dev.digital-focus.us/kory/cart/products/jar-of-pure-awesomeness/ check that page in firefox or chrome
  543. # [22:35] <digitalfiz> then check it in IE
  544. # [22:35] <tw2113> from what i gather, it's mostly a privacy thing
  545. # [22:36] <digitalfiz> it rearranges everything its really weird
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  548. # [22:39] <uf0> it looks fine here
  549. # [22:39] <uf0> what do i have to click so it can go wacko
  550. # [22:40] <digitalfiz> you might already be viewing it in compatibility mode
  551. # [22:40] <digitalfiz> can you click the compatibility mode button
  552. # [22:40] <uf0> yea man i tested 7 through 9
  553. # [22:40] <uf0> looks fine
  554. # [22:40] <digitalfiz> hmm
  555. # [22:41] <digitalfiz> i just put the metatag in i wonder if im cached man i hate IE
  556. # [22:41] <digitalfiz> i really really just hate it
  557. # [22:41] <uf0> ctrl + r clears cache
  558. # [22:43] <uf0> i will deny, though i'm no IE user (ff here)
  559. # [22:43] <uf0> ie9 is pretty nice
  560. # [22:43] <uf0> i will not deny i mean*
  561. # [22:44] <digitalfiz> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9463387/ie.png
  562. # [22:44] <uf0> the IEs i really have problems with is 6 and 7
  563. # [22:44] <digitalfiz> thats what it does for me after cleared cache
  564. # [22:44] <uf0> 8 has understood me for a while
  565. # [22:44] <digitalfiz> thats IE 8
  566. # [22:44] <uf0> and i'm sure 9 will
  567. # [22:44] <uf0> uh ok
  568. # [22:44] <uf0> oh that's ugly
  569. # [22:45] <uf0> i def didn't get any of that
  570. # [22:45] <digitalfiz> it takes the sidebars and the middle content and lines them up straight up and down
  571. # [22:45] <digitalfiz> if i take galleria off it displays fine
  572. # [22:46] <digitalfiz> but i looked through the galleria code and i dont see any weird css settings that would cause that
  573. # [22:47] <uf0> is there anywhere i have to click
  574. # [22:47] <uf0> or should it happen automatically
  575. # [22:47] <uf0> ?
  576. # [22:47] <digitalfiz> it happens auto
  577. # [22:48] <digitalfiz> as soon as jQuery(document).ready() fires
  578. # [22:50] <uf0> try this.. get rid of the x-ua-compatible
  579. # [22:50] <uf0> line
  580. # [22:51] <uf0> i want to see something
  581. # [22:51] <digitalfiz> ok its gone
  582. # [22:53] <uf0> ok you can put it back
  583. # [22:53] <uf0> digitalfiz: thanks to you, i just learned something new
  584. # [22:54] <uf0> i have ie9, and to test your issue I used ie dev toolbar
  585. # [22:54] <uf0> where you can switch mode
  586. # [22:54] <uf0> that's what I did to test
  587. # [22:54] <uf0> and didn't see the issue
  588. # [22:54] <uf0> but on a real IE8 the issue is there, page broken for sure
  589. # [22:55] <digitalfiz> im just not sure what galleria could be doing to make that happen
  590. # [22:55] <digitalfiz> ive looked into the css and js
  591. # [22:55] <digitalfiz> im no guru but it doesnt seem to be doing anything globally
  592. # [22:57] <uf0> umm.. i'm not sure if this is the issue that's causing
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  594. # [22:57] <uf0> but things like this cause ie to act weird
  595. # [22:58] <uf0> i saw your source
  596. # [22:58] <uf0> near line 180
  597. # [22:58] <uf0> make sure the <div> is properly closed
  598. # [22:58] <uf0> in general make sure all yours divs are closed
  599. # [22:58] <uf0> it looks some aren't closed to me
  600. # [22:58] <uf0> i'd try that before anything else
  601. # [23:02] <digitalfiz> it works fine if i dont initialize the gallery though
  602. # [23:04] <digitalfiz> theres a new galleria imma try it
  603. # [23:05] <uf0> i know but what i'm saying even it works fine without gallery, i'd still check to make sure all divs are closed
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  607. # [23:08] <uf0> digitalfix: #jquery is a good channel for JS stuff too
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  609. # [23:08] <digitalfiz> new version fixed it
  610. # [23:09] <digitalfiz> yeah i idle in #jquery
  611. # [23:10] <digitalfiz> i just wasnt sure it wasnt just some stupid css error or just something i wasnt doing right with the x-ua-compatible meta tage
  612. # [23:10] <digitalfiz> tag*
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  624. # [23:45] <paul_irish> paulrouget: pingngng
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  629. # [23:51] <paul_irish> well i hope that tweet was okay
  630. # [23:51] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/paul_irish/status/48877051494666240
  631. # [23:51] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/eYfcUk @paul_irish: Firefox is going to release every 6 weeks, equipped with beta/experimental/nightly channels & silent updates http://goo.gl/h8HfE \o/
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  633. # [23:58] <danbeam> socialhapy: I'll believe it when it happens
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