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  1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 19 00:00:01 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  4. # [00:02] <chrislorenz> paul_irish: Hey Paul, is that html5 demo of the webgl rendered world public?
  5. # [00:02] <chrislorenz> paul_irish: The one you showed at sxsw that is :)
  6. # [00:03] <speakman> How do I position a <div> at the very bottom of the browser window?
  7. # [00:03] <Dorward> speakman: position: fixed; bottom: 0;
  8. # [00:03] <speakman> oh, fixed!
  9. # [00:04] <speakman> Dorward: great! But can I make the same behavior within a div?
  10. # [00:05] <speakman> (the <div> has overflow-y: hidden; and I'm making my own scroll bars/buttons, but they wont' stay inside of the <div>)
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  13. # [00:14] <digitalfiz> speakman, set the scrollbars for body to none
  14. # [00:16] <speakman> hm?
  15. # [00:17] <speakman> digitalfiz: what do you mean? It's a <div> which I'm scrolling. And I want my scrolling handles to be visible within that <div> all the time, no matter how it's scrolled.
  16. # [00:17] <speakman> http://jsfiddle.net/speakman/LwANK/
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  18. # [00:19] <Dorward> speakman: I don't seem to be able to focus the scroller arrows with the tab key. Not do I appear to be able to scroll the scrollable area with the arrow keys on my keyboard. Nor with the scrollwheel on my mouse. Please don't reinvent the wheel, it will only come out square.
  19. # [00:20] <speakman> Dorward: This is a very special application which will only run on a very small, low resolution, touchscreen.
  20. # [00:21] <speakman> There's no such thing as neither a keyboard nor mouse :)
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  26. # [00:31] <grantg> Does anyone know if I should change the license to https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online ?
  27. # [00:32] <grantg> It's GPL 2 right now
  28. # [00:33] <grantg> Since I rewrote the video engine, all the code is mine and none of it is now from java (MeBoy).
  29. # [00:34] <grantg> what's the best license for it? It could be re-licensed so that ports to other languages can be non-free
  30. # [00:35] <grantg> like android java ports (I'm working on java for desktop right now, as well as obj-c/c++ for iOS)
  31. # [00:35] <grantg> the JS version has to be free though
  32. # [00:35] <grantg> paul_irish: Any clue?
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  35. # [00:39] <grantg> brb later
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  66. # [01:56] <kataire> Is the hgroup element here to stay? I heard there was some debate about it.
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  72. # [02:14] <pascalopitz> hello
  73. # [02:20] <paul_irish> kataire: there is debate
  74. # [02:20] <bot-t> (46 mins 20 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell paul_irish i got questions!
  75. # [02:20] <paul_irish> i think it will live on
  76. # [02:20] <paul_irish> even though i hate it
  77. # [02:21] <pascalopitz> heya
  78. # [02:21] <kataire> Why do you hate it?
  79. # [02:21] <paul_irish> what good does it do?
  80. # [02:21] <pascalopitz> does anyone know about web workers and XML?
  81. # [02:21] <kataire> paul_irish: It collapses multi-level headings into one?
  82. # [02:22] <paul_irish> kataire: for whom?
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  84. # [02:23] <kataire> How else would you do it? Wrap everything in a section element? Then you might as well drop the numbered headers altogether a la XHTML2.
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  86. # [02:23] <paul_irish> no like
  87. # [02:23] <paul_irish> what difference does it make
  88. # [02:23] <paul_irish> i put an hgroup around a few headers
  89. # [02:24] <paul_irish> or i dont
  90. # [02:24] <paul_irish> what does it change?
  91. # [02:24] <tw2113> supposedly the meaning
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  93. # [02:24] <paul_irish> THE MEANING!
  94. # [02:24] <paul_irish> i see!
  95. # [02:24] <tw2113> but that's just getting into semantics that I think paul doesn't care for
  96. # [02:24] <paul_irish> ^^
  97. # [02:24] <kataire> paul_irish: It's the difference between the content being a section in a section in a section, vs the content being in a section with a three-level header.
  98. # [02:25] <paul_irish> there is currently no software that gives a shit about that.
  99. # [02:25] <paul_irish> just sayin
  100. # [02:25] <kataire> What about converting HTML to other formats? It would make a difference when trying to generate indices automatically.
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  102. # [02:26] * tw2113 is fine with the semantic stuff not having as much weight yet, i'll be ready when it does :D
  103. # [02:26] <paul_irish> assuming that software preferred HTML5 outlining to HTML4 outlining
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  105. # [02:28] <tw2113> i also need to look into the idea of liquor tonight
  106. # [02:28] <uf0> ^^^^ loll this
  107. # [02:29] <paul_irish> LIQUOR TONIGHT
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  110. # [02:31] <tw2113> liquor development?
  111. # [02:31] <tw2113> code written while smashed?
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  113. # [02:32] <paul_irish> okay
  114. # [02:32] <paul_irish> html5 boilerplate
  115. # [02:32] <paul_irish> has both a build script
  116. # [02:32] <paul_irish> and a builder
  117. # [02:32] <paul_irish> one of them (or both) needs like.. a *name*
  118. # [02:33] <uf0> got it..
  119. # [02:33] <uf0> SCriptBUilDER
  120. # [02:33] <uf0> thank me later
  121. # [02:33] <paul_irish> /kick uf0
  122. # [02:34] <uf0> :)
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  125. # [02:35] <tw2113> no idea, i need to go shopping :D
  126. # [02:35] <tw2113> bbs
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  131. # [02:47] <grantg> tw2113: Replaced a demo with a newer copy of the emulator to power it (runs way faster in some parts now) http://www.grantgalitz.org/GAMEBOY_COLOR_LCD_TEST/
  132. # [02:47] <grantg> :)
  133. # [02:47] <paul_irish> true
  134. # [02:47] <grantg> even the native canvas 2d api can't do most of this.
  135. # [02:47] <paul_irish> sucks less in chrome
  136. # [02:47] <paul_irish> you see the umm
  137. # [02:48] <paul_irish> grantg: https://github.com/corbanbrook/webgl-2d
  138. # [02:48] <grantg> paul_irish: I use webgl-2d, but it's disabled in my code for now
  139. # [02:48] <grantg> since webgl-2d is broken
  140. # [02:48] <paul_irish> Oh.
  141. # [02:49] <grantg> at least putImageData is broken in webgl-2d
  142. # [02:50] <dr_ick> anyone know of a good ccs3 refactoring tool? I'm doing it by hand now, but wondering if someone has automated some of the basics.
  143. # [02:50] <dr_ick> s/ccs/css
  144. # [02:51] <grantg> paul_irish: canvas 2d api sucks at scanline stuff
  145. # [02:51] <grantg> it can't do it really
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  147. # [02:51] <grantg> manipulating texels one line at a time by a grouping methodology by a lookup table is not supported by canvas 2d api
  148. # [02:51] <grantg> heh
  149. # [02:52] <grantg> not low level enough. xD
  150. # [02:52] <grantg> So I *have* to render all my gfx in js still. :/
  151. # [02:52] <paul_irish> dr_ick: what would you want out of it
  152. # [02:52] <paul_irish> grantg: oic
  153. # [02:52] <grantg> trying to do this "natively" is actually like 1000x slower
  154. # [02:53] <grantg> working on an internal typed array to render to in js is way way faster here
  155. # [02:53] <grantg> for sprite/BG/window stacking and scanline rendering
  156. # [02:53] <dr_ick> well, I was coding my css last night around 3am. So it is really really sloopy, but working. I'm refactoring now and removing the duplicates, etc... Looking for something to automate this.
  157. # [02:53] <grantg> canvas 2d is just meh
  158. # [02:53] <grantg> a big wrapper that does high level crap
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  161. # [02:55] <grantg> Especially with a game like shantae that does lots of bg tile priority mixing with sprite priority tiling
  162. # [02:55] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/shantae/
  163. # [02:55] <grantg> ^_^
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  166. # [02:56] <grantg> in the lcd test page, you'll notice how the bg squiggles
  167. # [02:57] <grantg> that's a static bg that's being drawn one line at a time
  168. # [02:57] <grantg> but each line the provided x-coord i/o register changes
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  170. # [02:57] <grantg> so each line shifts
  171. # [02:57] <grantg> :)
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  177. # [03:03] <moshee> does an Audio() object stick around after it's ended or does it kill itself?
  178. # [03:03] <grantg> well some browsers don't kill it off
  179. # [03:03] <grantg> namely chrome has an issue with GC'ing it
  180. # [03:03] <moshee> hmm
  181. # [03:04] <grantg> hence memory leak chrome has with my emulator (actually there are other things that chrome fails causing a leak too with my stuff (data uris as well))
  182. # [03:05] <moshee> bad Chrome!
  183. # [03:05] <grantg> heh
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  185. # [03:05] <grantg> 500 MB leak in 3 minutes.
  186. # [03:05] <grantg> w00t!
  187. # [03:05] <moshee> need to make it a diaper :(
  188. # [03:05] <grantg> and I thought firefox was bad at memory management
  189. # [03:08] <grantg> chrome: Y U LEAK 1GB on my mac on http://www.grantgalitz.org/SuperMarioBros/ ?
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  191. # [03:10] <moshee> oh yeah pretty cool emulator you got there
  192. # [03:10] <grantg> heh
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  194. # [03:11] <moshee> but lol at mem leaks
  195. # [03:13] <grantg> most intensive thing yet is http://www.grantgalitz.org/3DPocketPool/
  196. # [03:13] <grantg> 8-bit 3D FTW.
  197. # [03:14] <moshee> seems to be slightly broken
  198. # [03:14] <moshee> oo 3d
  199. # [03:14] <grantg> heh
  200. # [03:15] <grantg> moshee: I have to keep telling everyone to use it in Firefox 4 for now
  201. # [03:15] <grantg> til chrome fixes its shit
  202. # [03:15] <moshee> Firefox 4, meh
  203. # [03:15] <moshee> I've been using it and it's very sluggish on my computer
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  205. # [03:15] <moshee> might be 'cause I have 3 versions of it installed
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  207. # [03:15] <grantg> lol
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  209. # [03:16] <tw2113> come up with any ood names paul_irish ?
  210. # [03:16] <grantg> a 3d pool table FTW
  211. # [03:17] <grantg> inside an emulated gameboy color inside js
  212. # [03:17] <paul_irish> tw2113: going with "boilerplate initializr"
  213. # [03:17] <paul_irish> mergey
  214. # [03:17] <grantg> lol @ webgl
  215. # [03:17] <paul_irish> moshee: ff4 is hot shit
  216. # [03:17] <tw2113> word
  217. # [03:17] <paul_irish> but chrome is probably faster.
  218. # [03:17] <tw2113> everything is rolling these days
  219. # [03:17] <paul_irish> but chrome runs grant's demos slower
  220. # [03:17] <paul_irish> so.. :/
  221. # [03:17] <tw2113> rolling releases fr everythin
  222. # [03:17] <grantg> paul_irish: faster in js, but sucky with gfx+audio
  223. # [03:17] <grantg> lolololol
  224. # [03:18] <moshee> it's rather unique to my setup but ff4 hangs for like a minute when I start it up
  225. # [03:18] <paul_irish> minefield fo lyfe
  226. # [03:18] <moshee> and it takes forever to start loading pages
  227. # [03:18] <moshee> Minefield, yeah
  228. # [03:18] <moshee> it seems to fix itself after opening it a couple times
  229. # [03:18] <grantg> heh
  230. # [03:18] <grantg> FF4 still has weird probs on my comp
  231. # [03:19] <grantg> even in RC1
  232. # [03:19] <grantg> like ajax seems to only fire on the onunload event
  233. # [03:19] <grantg> or the screen lockup when exiting fullscreen
  234. # [03:19] <tw2113> FF4 official in 4 days apparently
  235. # [03:19] <grantg> or the slowdown with setinterval when changing the volume on a mac
  236. # [03:19] <tw2113> 3 if you're already on the 19th
  237. # [03:19] <moshee> they're gonna try to catch up to chrome in version numbers
  238. # [03:19] <moshee> lol
  239. # [03:20] <moshee> firefox 5 relatively soon already
  240. # [03:20] <tw2113> if only IE would do this
  241. # [03:20] <grantg> or the bug where mozCurrentSampleOffset reports a false number on windows xp
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  243. # [03:20] <grantg> <_<
  244. # [03:20] <grantg> FF4 still feels like beta 1 to me
  245. # [03:20] <paul_irish> FF4 on tuesday
  246. # [03:21] <paul_irish> you see the 6 week release cycle
  247. # [03:21] <paul_irish> fucking awesome
  248. # [03:21] <grantg> or the crash w/ webgl in ff4 on a 2010 macbook pro (so it ain't a driver issue!)
  249. # [03:22] <grantg> still better than 3.6 though
  250. # [03:22] <moshee> Oh, chrome tries to be ugly and antialias things too
  251. # [03:22] <grantg> so it's an improvement in stability still
  252. # [03:23] <moshee> nice and crisp in firefox
  253. # [03:23] <grantg> moshee: Because chrome doesn't support image-rendering: -webkit-crisp-edges or crisp-edges
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  255. # [03:23] <grantg> so chrome takes the slow and blurry default scaling route.
  256. # [03:23] <moshee> oh, there's actually a css for that
  257. # [03:24] <grantg> yeah
  258. # [03:24] <grantg> try image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges in Firefox 3.6+
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  260. # [03:24] <grantg> nearest-neighbor FTW on <img> and <canvas>
  261. # [03:24] <moshee> woot
  262. # [03:25] <grantg> I've been bitching about this for a long time.
  263. # [03:25] <paul_irish> nearest neighbor for FAST adjustments
  264. # [03:25] <paul_irish> the browser shoudl just be smarter about the duration of your resize
  265. # [03:25] <paul_irish> of the scaling
  266. # [03:26] <grantg> paul_irish: I even specify optimizeSpeed for image-rendering
  267. # [03:26] <grantg> so chrome should at least see that
  268. # [03:26] <grantg> yeah
  269. # [03:27] <grantg> oh yesssss: http://i.imgur.com/Ai6MU.jpg
  270. # [03:31] <tw2113> how easy should it be to read an xml file into a basic page, with edit buttons already working, but also adding a delete button?
  271. # [03:32] <tw2113> i'm not a pro with xml
  272. # [03:33] <grantg> you just need to know DOM
  273. # [03:33] <moshee> I seem to be getting a mini-memory leak right now heh
  274. # [03:33] <moshee> Oh, never mind
  275. # [03:33] <moshee> it goes back down
  276. # [03:33] <tw2113> k
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  279. # [03:50] <moshee> grr chrome and short sounds
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  283. # [04:17] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/L1gEL.jpg
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  285. # [04:23] <moshee> this place is so much less angry than #css
  286. # [04:23] <moshee> people doing cool things instead of angry web designers yelling at noobs
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  288. # [04:23] <grantg> I
  289. # [04:24] <grantg> I'd yell at the "IT wizards" who make a website for IE6, but not mobile safari
  290. # [04:24] <grantg> Shit works in mobile safari without hacks, the IT guys just can't handle the concept of a website working on a phone. :P
  291. # [04:25] <moshee> heh, yeah.. old generation...
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  293. # [04:32] <tw2113> given my job loss, i'm more or less able to give IE6 the proverbial boot any more
  294. # [04:34] <paul_irish> job loss/
  295. # [04:36] <tw2113> yeah, i had my position axed a couple weeks ago
  296. # [04:36] <tw2113> i've had a lot of time since
  297. # [04:45] <paul_irish> :/
  298. # [04:45] <paul_irish> sorry bro
  299. # [04:46] <tw2113> it happens
  300. # [04:47] <tw2113> gives me time to reflect on the interests I realize i have, and can target work at those, instead of the usual right out of college targeting of "anything i can get"
  301. # [04:48] <tw2113> for instance, i know i have no care for marketing type positions
  302. # [04:49] <moshee> hopefully when (if) I graduate from college the job market will get better
  303. # [04:49] <tw2113> i'm going to do what i can to survive on freelance work until I can find something steady, or if i can keep getting the freelance stuff, avoid agency work all together
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  311. # [05:19] <uf0> folks are still awake?
  312. # [05:19] <uf0> anyway, here's mobile question
  313. # [05:20] <uf0> say I use a link tag for media query
  314. # [05:20] <uf0> will mobile users download the regular master css along with it?
  315. # [05:21] <uf0> now that i think about it, uhh duh yes
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  317. # [05:26] <tw2113> so wrap your css in media queries
  318. # [05:26] <tw2113> that way, they only download the css they need
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  323. # [05:30] <uf0> how?
  324. # [05:30] <uf0> provide an example
  325. # [05:32] <tw2113> if device width is less than 960 or whatever, they get this css
  326. # [05:32] <tw2113> if width is more than 1024, they get that css
  327. # [05:33] <tw2113> get creative with screen width and device width restrictions
  328. # [05:33] <uf0> ok so in pauls template he has all in one CSS
  329. # [05:33] <uf0> so they'll be getting master css
  330. # [05:33] <uf0> what your saying is
  331. # [05:33] <uf0> use the link tag
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  333. # [05:33] <uf0> with multiple css, and change widths so they can get specific css
  334. # [05:33] <uf0> correcT?
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  337. # [05:34] <uf0> ie: ipad.css, iphone.css
  338. # [05:34] <tw2113> it's an option, yes
  339. # [05:34] <tw2113> it's possible to make sure the desktop version of css is very selectively served
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  342. # [05:36] <uf0> i see.. i'll play around
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  506. # [16:21] <josefrichter> hi guys, does history.pushState() accept really ANY url, please? Or is it anyhow limited to same domain, etc.<
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  508. # [16:21] <josefrichter> ?
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  522. # [17:06] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: hey guys, are we all good with pre launch tasks?
  523. # [17:06] <bot-t> (60 hours 30 mins ago) <nimbupani> tell shichuan wat u mean?
  524. # [17:06] <paul_irish> hi hi
  525. # [17:06] <paul_irish> we are working on things now
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  527. # [17:10] <shichuan> i see, so everything is good? anything else i can help?
  528. # [17:13] <paul_irish> shichuan: sure i got something
  529. # [17:14] <paul_irish> we want an image for like.. Yeah we support all these web servers
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  531. # [17:14] <paul_irish> apache / nginx / iis / lighttpd / nodejs / google app engine
  532. # [17:14] <paul_irish> so just kinda their logos in some ring of happiness
  533. # [17:15] <shichuan> in a certain dimension?
  534. # [17:17] <nimbupani> shichuan: just make sure its 400px wide or so.
  535. # [17:17] <nimbupani> i mean the entire image with all logos
  536. # [17:17] <nimbupani> and hopefully transparent
  537. # [17:17] <shichuan> ok, cool
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  540. # [17:17] <nimbupani> maybe some dropshadow
  541. # [17:18] <shichuan> arh, ok
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  606. # [19:30] <daleharvey> phew, new blog post up - http://arandomurl.com/2011/03/16/coding-for-the-mobile-web.html + http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2344276
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  614. # [19:55] <knittl> hi. does html5 allow <img />? html4.01 did not and only allowed <img>
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  616. # [19:58] <codenamekt> knittl, according to w3c experimental validator yes
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  618. # [20:00] <knittl> codenamekt: ok, i'm validating with it
  619. # [20:00] <knittl> but i don't trust it ;)
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  621. # [20:01] <knittl> w3schools writes <img />
  622. # [20:02] <codenamekt> knittl, w3schools is 10x worse than w3c
  623. # [20:02] <knittl> lol
  624. # [20:02] <knittl> well, it was one of the first hits when searching for 'html5 img tag close'
  625. # [20:03] <codenamekt> http://w3fools.com/
  626. # [20:03] <codenamekt> w3c writes the standards via working groups
  627. # [20:04] <knittl> thx for that link. i thought w3schools was the official tutorial by w3c
  628. # [20:04] <codenamekt> No, unfortunately w3c doesn't do tutorials. Just sepcs
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  631. # [20:05] <knittl> not that i used it to learn html ^^
  632. # [20:05] <knittl> selfhtml ftw
  633. # [20:05] <knittl> http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/syntax.html#void-element there it is
  634. # [20:05] <knittl> start tag, optionally a "/" char, which may only be present if the element is a void element
  635. # [20:06] <knittl> thanks
  636. # [20:07] <codenamekt> knittl, np
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  642. # [20:29] <themiddleman> do image downloads in ie6 block scrolling or something?
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  647. # [20:42] <dav_it> Hi. I'm new to html5 and I'm experiencing w/ new tags like <header>, <article>. I don't understand very well somethin' : if I define anythin' in a tag it'll be inserted in a specific part of the page ? (ex. <header> on the top, <footer> on the bottom).
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  650. # [21:03] <dav_it> is there a way to get <audio> working without flash fallback?
  651. # [21:04] <knittl> dav_it: no, they only have semantic meaning
  652. # [21:04] <knittl> kindof <div class="footer">. easier for computers and screenreaders to recognize as special parts of the page
  653. # [21:04] <moshee> better for SEO too
  654. # [21:05] <dav_it> knittl: thanks, it's like I expected.
  655. # [21:05] <dav_it> semantic web ftw
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  657. # [21:08] <knittl> dav_it: no idea on the <audio>-tag though
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  659. # [21:10] <dav_it> knittl: thanks anyway, I solved the issue.
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  661. # [21:11] <knittl> yw
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  670. # [21:29] <paul_irish> http://gadomain2.appspot.com/static/https.html can someone open this in ie6
  671. # [21:29] <paul_irish> i'm looking for a security dialog to pop up
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  673. # [21:35] <tw2113> !help
  674. # [21:35] <moshee> paul_irish, I don't appear to get one in IE6
  675. # [21:35] <moshee> IETester
  676. # [21:37] <paul_irish> cool. thank you
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  688. # [22:11] <josefrichter_> does anyone use history.js please? have problem that in html4 browsers it changes /foo to /foo#/foo instead of /#/foo - any ideas why, please?
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  710. # [23:14] <themiddleman> josefrichter_: well thats because the page you are on doesnt end with a / and that cant change without a reload
  711. # [23:15] <josefrichter_> themiddleman: hmm, so there's no way whatsoever to get nicer url than /foo#/foo ?
  712. # [23:16] <themiddleman> josefrichter_: not unless you redirect them to /#/foo
  713. # [23:18] <josefrichter_> themiddleman: understand. feels like kinda huge obstacle for using history.js in production :-(
  714. # [23:19] <themiddleman> josefrichter_: nah, dont worry about it, if they dont want to upgrade their browser (or cant) they can live with a degraded experience
  715. # [23:20] <josefrichter_> themiddleman :-) maybe I could detect if there's html5 history api support, and if not, make redirect from /foo to /#/foo directly in javascript?
  716. # [23:22] <themiddleman> josefrichter_: yeah you could do that, it will take a bit of time for the redirect but again degraded experience - too bad
  717. # [23:23] <josefrichter_> themiddleman I guess the delay is better than having ugly URL - isnt it?
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  719. # [23:23] <themiddleman> josefrichter_: they both suck
  720. # [23:24] <josefrichter_> themiddleman: surely they do. but when the user has a browser that sucks, I cant offer him much better way, can I ?
  721. # [23:25] <themiddleman> nope
  722. # [23:26] <josefrichter_> well, actually the site is NOT supposed to work well in shitty browsers :-) http://theie7countdown.com/
  723. # [23:27] <themiddleman> heh
  724. # [23:37] <moo-_-> I liek this more
  725. # [23:37] <moo-_-> http://theie9countdown.com/
  726. # [23:40] <josefrichter_> :-)
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  728. # [23:41] <jetienne> btw is there a good source of browser market share ? something wellknown, widly admited if possible
  729. # [23:41] <djazz> http://theie10countdown.com
  730. # [23:42] <josefrichter_> jetienne I use gs.statcounter.com
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  732. # [23:42] <jetienne> josefrichter_: ok thanks
  733. # [23:43] <josefrichter_> jetienne: there are some more, but not so nice and easy to use. however take into account that the numbers may differ quite a lot...
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  735. # [23:46] <jetienne> http://gs.statcounter.com/#social_media-eu-monthly-201002-201102 <- according to this, stumbleupon is bigger than twitter
  736. # [23:46] <jetienne> i dunno the actual numbers but it seems way off.
  737. # [23:46] <jetienne> josefrichter_: in fact i just want to know the % of users who can reach webgl
  738. # [23:47] <jetienne> ff+safari+chrome will have stable webgl in a few months
  739. # [23:49] <josefrichter_> jetienne hmm, you have to sum those browsers' share I guess. but it would be nice to have a website that shows what % of users can use feature X - you can make it, it can be calculated from browser share in theory :-)
  740. # [23:50] <jetienne> caniuse.com got this info
  741. # [23:50] <jetienne> http://caniuse.com/#search=webgl <- here we go :)
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  743. # [23:54] <josefrichter_> jetienne aaah didnt notice those stats before :-)
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