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1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 22 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
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13. # [00:27] <grantg> humph: You're here?
14. # [00:27] <grantg> heh
15. # [00:27] <grantg> never seen you here before.
16. # [00:27] <humph> never been here before
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18. # [00:27] <grantg> heh
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20. # [00:28] <humph> saw paul tweeting about it, thought I'd stop in
21. # [00:28] <grantg> humph: Got bored and tried to run the stuff at 1 fps on mobile safari
22. # [00:28] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/oO2uH.png
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24. # [00:28] <humph> nice
25. # [00:28] <grantg> actually ran at 5 fps
26. # [00:28] <grantg> lololol
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29. # [00:30] * grantg is trolling people viewing that pic by not showing the full url to the page. :P
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32. # [00:32] <grantg> humph: Chrome has got to fix http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=76865
33. # [00:32] <grantg> the slowness, it burns!
34. # [00:32] <grantg> There's even a test case: http://www.grantgalitz.org/canvastestcase.html
35. # [00:33] <humph> I'm sure they will
36. # [00:33] <grantg> heh
37. # [00:33] <grantg> This should push them to implement a webkit version of -moz-crisp-edges
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40. # [00:42] <grantg> humph: hughman over at mozilla keeps telling me the audio is popping and clicking in firefox 4 on windows 7 for my stuff
41. # [00:42] <grantg> with the over/underrun problem like on winXP
42. # [00:42] <grantg> I thought it was just winXP
43. # [00:42] <grantg> huh
44. # [00:43] <grantg> seems to be a problem mozAudio has with windows NT in general for audio output
45. # [00:43] <grantg> mac os x is perfect though, I can attest to that.
46. # [00:44] <grantg> the only thing I can think of is mozCurrentSampleOffset getting messed up
47. # [00:44] <humph> we have a bug in typed arrays
48. # [00:44] <humph> fixed on trunk
49. # [00:44] <grantg> ?
50. # [00:44] <humph> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637643
51. # [00:46] <grantg> hmm
52. # [00:46] <humph> I'm guessing, but that's common
53. # [00:46] <grantg> still, would outputting more audio than usual just tick up mozCurrentOffset more?
54. # [00:47] <grantg> so my code would adjust itself
55. # [00:47] <humph> where outputing means?
56. # [00:47] <grantg> which is why it never was a prob on os x
57. # [00:47] <humph> writing?
58. # [00:47] <grantg> yeah
59. # [00:47] <humph> yeah, mac's underlying audio is best
60. # [00:47] <grantg> to mozWriteAudio
61. # [00:47] <humph> well, we only take as much as we can write without buffering
62. # [00:47] <grantg> If I pass more audio to it, mozCurrentSampleOffset should update properly
63. # [00:47] <grantg> so on NT, something else must be happening
64. # [00:47] <humph> if you pass more, you have to manage the tail
65. # [00:48] <grantg> I ignore the tail
66. # [00:48] <humph> and each OS will buffer differently
67. # [00:48] <humph> you can't
68. # [00:48] <humph> well, you can, and click
69. # [00:48] <grantg> I just check how many samples were written
70. # [00:48] <grantg> If there was some not written, then I update accordingly
71. # [00:49] <grantg> for the samples written counter I have
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73. # [00:49] <grantg> so it shouldn't be a prob
74. # [00:49] <grantg> Even if it clicks, it should not over or underrun
75. # [00:49] <grantg> but it underruns on NT. hmm
76. # [00:49] <humph> no, but you could have an issue with hitting the edge of your envelope
77. # [00:50] <grantg> humph: I buffer audio of less than a third of a second's worth
78. # [00:50] <grantg> should not cut-off anyhow
79. # [00:50] <humph> only thing that matters is the underlying OS buffer size
80. # [00:51] <humph> which, is different per OS
81. # [00:51] <grantg> humph: What's window's default?
82. # [00:51] <humph> ask yury
83. # [00:51] <grantg> by seconds or by total samples?
84. # [00:51] <grantg> k
85. # [00:51] <humph> I can't remember (using Windows for many years)
86. # [00:51] <grantg> still, I only count the samples written
87. # [00:51] <grantg> and I don't count the unwritten ones
88. # [00:51] <grantg> for the tail
89. # [00:51] <grantg> strange
90. # [00:52] <grantg> for doing the internal math against mozCurrentSampleOffset
91. # [00:52] <grantg> weird
92. # [00:52] <humph> that's not hte same thing
93. # [00:52] * humph thinks you should spam #audio on moznet vs. here
94. # [00:52] <grantg> lol
95. # [00:53] <grantg> alright
96. # [00:56] <tw2113> there needs to be more html5/css3/newt memes
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101. # [01:04] <grantg> humph: Like you said in #audio: RESOLVED DONTUSEWINDOWS
102. # [01:04] <grantg> tw2113: That should do
103. # [01:04] <grantg> ^_^
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106. # [01:07] <tw2113> *claps*
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109. # [01:12] <grantg> tw2113: I'm still entranced by http://www.grantgalitz.org/demotronic/
110. # [01:12] <grantg> that checkerboard goes full 3d on you
111. # [01:14] <tw2113> i should be sure to wake up relatively early tomorrow, for FF4 release day
112. # [01:14] <grantg> heh
113. # [01:14] <grantg> you mean midnight?
114. # [01:15] <grantg> unless you're not in the same timezone as the server
115. # [01:15] <tw2113> i'm not sure exactly what time pacific standard time they're releasing at
116. # [01:15] <grantg> heh
117. # [01:15] <tw2113> is that checkerboard WebGL or just perspective with the graphics?
118. # [01:17] <grantg> 2D all the way
119. # [01:17] <grantg> no webgl
120. # [01:17] <tw2113> gotcha
121. # [01:17] <grantg> with a tile based system
122. # [01:17] <grantg> works on an actual gameboy color
123. # [01:17] <grantg> that's the funny part
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125. # [01:20] <grantg> It's a torture test for my emulator
126. # [01:20] <grantg> It pulls every trick in the book
127. # [01:20] <tw2113> nice
128. # [01:21] <grantg> midscanline tricks + high color palette trick + special interrupt procedures requiring *perfect* clock cycle accuracy.
129. # [01:22] <grantg> VisualBoyAdvance has nothing on me. xD
130. # [01:22] <grantg> Bitch, I do things it can't do.
131. # [01:22] <grantg> Bitch, It do things it can't do.
132. # [01:22] <grantg> lol
133. # [01:22] <grantg> I don't see mid-scanline rendering in VBA. :P
134. # [01:23] <grantg> and that
135. # [01:23] <grantg> and that's a C/C++ desktop app
136. # [01:26] <tw2113> i should look into reducing plugin use on my main site
137. # [01:27] <grantg> heh
138. # [01:28] <tw2113> and ya know, you have to giggle a little bit about spam comments that ask about you getting too much spam
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141. # [01:29] <xonecas> o/
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143. # [01:30] <tw2113> yo xonecas
144. # [01:30] <grantg> hey
145. # [01:30] <xonecas> Any ideas on how to get search engine crawler's to read a website that the html is rendered by js on the client?
146. # [01:31] <xonecas> I know that google provides a way, but I was hoping to find a general solution for all crawlers
147. # [01:34] <codepo8> use node.js to render it also on the server?
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149. # [01:35] <xonecas> codepo8: thats how I have it, but It feels very cumbersome, to cater to robots alone
150. # [01:35] <codepo8> google provides a way to follow hashbangs - not to index JS generated pags
151. # [01:35] <codepo8> pages
152. # [01:35] <xonecas> I see, my mistake
153. # [01:35] <codepo8> yeah search engines need to catch up
154. # [01:36] <codepo8> also, if you send special content to crawlers you might even be blocked
155. # [01:36] <xonecas> yeah :-( its very wastefull to make the server render all of the markup just for the robots
156. # [01:36] <xonecas> codepo8: so I'm shit out of luck?
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159. # [01:37] <codepo8> yes
160. # [01:37] <codepo8> :)
161. # [01:37] <xonecas> damn it :-(
162. # [01:37] <Samot> anyone using chrome on windows here
163. # [01:37] <xonecas> o/ yes
164. # [01:37] <codepo8> but when you render everything in JS why would you want it indexed?
165. # [01:38] <xonecas> codepo8: do you know where I can find more info on the rules that lead up to a block?
166. # [01:38] <tw2113> evening chris
167. # [01:39] <xonecas> codepo8: because the client renders content delivered from an api, in human readable form
168. # [01:39] <xonecas> and that content needs to be seen by search engines
169. # [01:40] <xonecas> and you know, so that people can find the website based on content too
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171. # [01:40] <codepo8> could you redirect any non-js request to the api to spit out a simple HTML
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173. # [01:40] <codepo8> as in - check for x-requested-with
174. # [01:40] <xonecas> unfortunatly I have no control over the output of the api
175. # [01:40] <codepo8> Google's Webmaster tools section would do that for you
176. # [01:41] <xonecas> Here i go spending some hours reading documentation humpf
177. # [01:41] <xonecas> thank you codepo8
178. # [01:41] <codepo8> What Bing does I don't really know
179. # [01:42] <codepo8> and I worked for Yahoo for almost 5 years and I am still confused by Slurp
180. # [01:42] <xonecas> LOL!
181. # [01:42] <xonecas> I work with a bunch of ex yahoo's
182. # [01:42] <xonecas> seems like they've moved on by the flocks
183. # [01:43] <codepo8> well I could not refuse this offer
184. # [01:43] <grantg> codepo8: hey
185. # [01:43] <xonecas> :-) well, thats good!
186. # [01:43] <codepo8> ho
187. # [01:43] <codepo8> :)
188. # [01:44] <codepo8> hey ho
189. # [01:44] <codepo8> hey ho
190. # [01:44] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: at disqus, have you figured out a way for google/bing to index your widgets?
191. # [01:44] <grantg> codepo8: I heard u leik production games for HTML5+JS: http://www.grantgalitz.org/atlantis/
192. # [01:44] <grantg> heh
193. # [01:44] * codepo8 is so down with OPP
194. # [01:44] <grantg> saw nothin'
195. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> xonecas, if you use wordpress then we always supported that
196. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> same with typepad, etc.
197. # [01:44] <codepo8> and can you make DISQS not slow down my blog to a grind somehow?
198. # [01:44] <antonkovalyov> if you use generic snippet than no
199. # [01:45] <antonkovalyov> but stay tuned we have some very good developings
200. # [01:45] <antonkovalyov> codepo8, we do not slow down sites, everything is async
201. # [01:45] <antonkovalyov> codepo8, do you have some particular problem / url i can check?
202. # [01:46] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: I will, if I find a way to get search engines to cooperate, I'll let you know too :-)
203. # [01:46] <grantg> codepo8: I also put back http://www.grantgalitz.org/SuperMarioBros/
204. # [01:46] <grantg> just for kicks
205. # [01:46] <xonecas> grantg: nooooooo
206. # [01:46] <grantg> lol
207. # [01:46] <codepo8> Ah I was expecting indiana jones and the fate of atlantis
208. # [01:46] <codepo8> :)
209. # [01:46] <grantg> atlantis the disney movie
210. # [01:46] <grantg> heh
211. # [01:47] <xonecas> grantg: I just moved in with a friend of mine, the first thing he asked me to so, was to set up a home server with your emulator running
212. # [01:47] <xonecas> now we need multiplayer
213. # [01:47] <grantg> lolololololololololol
214. # [01:47] <grantg> need to put up some wario land 3
215. # [01:47] <xonecas> ehehehe
216. # [01:49] <grantg> a 2001 game appears
217. # [01:49] <grantg> already emulating post-y2k games in yo browser
218. # [01:49] <grantg> :)
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220. # [01:50] <grantg> same year IE6 came out
221. # [01:50] <grantg> lololol
222. # [01:50] <nOStahl> hi guys, I just rendered a short clip as .ogg and put it on my server and then called it with the video tag.
223. # [01:50] <nOStahl> it wont play.
224. # [01:50] <nOStahl> any ideas?
225. # [01:51] <nOStahl> showing the controls and a black box where the video will play though
226. # [01:51] <nOStahl> ah nm
227. # [01:51] <nOStahl> it just took a long time to buffer hehe
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229. # [01:51] <nOStahl> is there a way in the video tag to show a buffering meter?
230. # [01:52] <codepo8> yes you can write your own control by listening to the loading events of the video
231. # [01:53] <nOStahl> is it a planned feature?
232. # [01:54] <grantg> xonecas: I also put back donkey kong country
233. # [01:54] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/DonkeyKongCountry/
234. # [01:58] <codepo8> antonkovalyov: tests are much better now
235. # [01:58] <codepo8> sorry for the trouble
236. # [01:59] <codepo8> although, some spriting on icons would help even more
237. # [02:01] <xonecas> Nice
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239. # [02:02] <xonecas> nOStahl: make sure you have your server sending the ogg file with the right mime type
240. # [02:02] <antonkovalyov> codepo8, do you use narcissus or houdini as a theme?
241. # [02:02] <antonkovalyov> codepo8, try houdini not only sprites we created our own font for some things so you don't even need to load some small icons anymore
242. # [02:03] <antonkovalyov> well i forgot all the periods in the sentence above
243. # [02:03] <antonkovalyov> it was supposed to be "try houdini. not only sprites, we created our own font for some things so you don't even need to load some small icons anymore"
244. # [02:03] <xonecas> nOStahl: to style the video controls read up on shadow dom, I think... http://glazkov.com/2011/01/14/what-the-heck-is-shadow-dom/
245. # [02:04] <xonecas> nOStahl: you can also preload the file, I can't remember the exact syntax right now...
246. # [02:06] <grantg> codepo8: Loved the amstrad demo you tweeted
247. # [02:06] <nOStahl> k
248. # [02:06] <grantg> Z80 CPU 4 lyfe
249. # [02:06] <grantg> funny how even a gameboy's CPU is based on the Zilog Z80
250. # [02:06] <grantg> It's a 6502 vs. Z80 showdown. :O
251. # [02:07] <grantg> demoscene lol
252. # [02:07] <codepo8> well unfair really
253. # [02:07] <codepo8> as amstrad is 4mhz
254. # [02:07] <codepo8> vs 0.98
255. # [02:07] <grantg> heh
256. # [02:07] <grantg> well
257. # [02:07] <grantg> you could clock up a 6502
258. # [02:07] <codepo8> only when you turn off the screen
259. # [02:07] <grantg> or clock down a z80
260. # [02:08] <codepo8> fast mode on c128
261. # [02:08] <grantg> heh
262. # [02:08] <grantg> NES uses a 6502 CPU
263. # [02:08] <codepo8> but check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdUzJL5XqBQ
264. # [02:08] <grantg> just without BCD
265. # [02:08] <grantg> Binary Coded Decimal
266. # [02:08] <grantg> which is not a vital opcode
267. # [02:09] <grantg> Even the SNES's CPU is based on the 6502
268. # [02:09] <codepo8> reu extension - skip to 2.56 to see what it does
269. # [02:09] <grantg> but the 16-bit version of it
270. # [02:09] <grantg> 65816 or such
271. # [02:09] <codepo8> deekay is one to bollock too long in his scroll texts
272. # [02:10] <codepo8> yeah I remember supernes beig 6502 + blitter chip
273. # [02:10] <grantg> well
274. # [02:10] <codepo8> I remember seeing contra3 for the first time and I was like WOW
275. # [02:10] <grantg> SuperNES is more than just a blitter chip
276. # [02:10] <grantg> and a 6502
277. # [02:10] <grantg> it's a 16-bit variant of the 6502
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279. # [02:10] <grantg> and a complex 2d render system
280. # [02:11] <grantg> with expansion chips that can be hooked up from the cart
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282. # [02:11] <grantg> So you can have more than one processor
283. # [02:11] <codepo8> I remember when robocop came out as a cartridge for c64
284. # [02:11] <grantg> heh
285. # [02:11] <codepo8> and the company claiming that is the end of cracking
286. # [02:11] <codepo8> :)
287. # [02:11] <codepo8> OK, Eprom reader on Amiga + transfer to floppies
288. # [02:11] <codepo8> :)
289. # [02:12] <grantg> codepo8: Funny thing that a gameboy's CPU can do 4 MHZ and 8 MHZ
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291. # [02:12] <grantg> Got a live demo right here to test all its horsies: http://www.grantgalitz.org/demotronic/
292. # [02:12] <grantg> 3d in 2d FTW
293. # [02:12] <grantg> the checkerboard stuff
294. # [02:13] <grantg> though that's nothing compared to the amstrad demo
295. # [02:14] <codepo8> hahaha commando soundtrack
296. # [02:15] <codepo8> I remember putting the sprite in the corner just to hear the whole song before I taught myself ripping :)
297. # [02:15] <codepo8> megaboys - that was an ad on German TV for a gay chat line :)
298. # [02:15] <codepo8> then again I was in Hitmen and hitmen.com is to be avoided, too
299. # [02:16] <xonecas> grantg: multiplayer, we need multiplayer!!
300. # [02:16] <grantg> xonecas: okay okay!
301. # [02:16] <xonecas> :-)
302. # [02:16] <xonecas> grantg: are you in california?
303. # [02:17] <grantg> xonecas: Flo Rida
304. # [02:17] <xonecas> :-(
305. # [02:17] <xonecas> Well if you come this way, you can see your emulator running on a 52" ehehe
306. # [02:17] <xonecas> (TV)
307. # [02:18] <grantg> lol
308. # [02:18] <grantg> xonecas: Wait til the iOS app comes out
309. # [02:18] <grantg> if it can run fullspeed in JS. then lolololololol at perf in C++
310. # [02:18] <xonecas> iOS?! Where is the android love?
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312. # [02:18] <grantg> iphone 1st gen supported I guess. :D
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314. # [02:19] <xonecas> lol
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316. # [02:19] <grantg> maybe even shitty android phones
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318. # [02:19] <grantg> like an ARM at 100 mhz
319. # [02:20] <grantg> probably could be ported to a 1st gen nintendo DS
320. # [02:20] <grantg> lol so hard
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325. # [02:24] <grantg> xonecas: JS still sucks at efficiency
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327. # [02:24] <grantg> like it's still 1000 times worse than C++
328. # [02:24] <grantg> maybe more
329. # [02:25] <grantg> 100000 worse than assembly. :P
330. # [02:25] <grantg> heh
331. # [02:25] <xonecas> true, but it is one of the fastest scripting languages, if not the fastest
332. # [02:25] <grantg> moar speed
333. # [02:25] <xonecas> imho comparing against a compiled language is unfair
334. # [02:26] <grantg> true
335. # [02:26] <grantg> still
336. # [02:26] <grantg> I think JS has a long way to go
337. # [02:26] <grantg> before it truly "hits the wall" with perf.
338. # [02:26] <xonecas> that can be said about any language
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340. # [02:27] <xonecas> I like javascript, it sucked to learn the quirks, but when you're at easy with it, it quite easy to spit out quality code
341. # [02:27] <grantg> heh
342. # [02:28] <grantg> V8 rocks with global vars
343. # [02:28] <grantg> as soon as you hit objects, it gets 2x slower
344. # [02:28] <grantg> jaegermonkey strangely is the opposite
345. # [02:28] <xonecas> you have to be carefull not to dive into many functions, since youre stacking scopes on each other
346. # [02:29] <grantg> I need to recode the js to function based that has global vars
347. # [02:29] <xonecas> sounds like a lot of work, just don't break my game :-)
348. # [02:29] <grantg> xonecas: I think I can squeeze some more juice out of V8 by making a "special V8 friendly" version
349. # [02:30] <xonecas> cool, but thats not efficient for you...
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351. # [02:30] <grantg> xonecas: I already know what's involved, that's the good part.
352. # [02:30] <xonecas> i think some designers are blind... look at this http://gocitizengreen.com/
353. # [02:31] <xonecas> he's my friend and all, but my eyes hurt from working on that site
354. # [02:32] <themiddleman> I like the background - if it was bigger
355. # [02:32] <grantg> clicking the header selects and highlights the images. :/
356. # [02:32] <grantg> eh
357. # [02:32] <grantg> brb
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359. # [02:33] <themiddleman> yeah and the nav should be as for accessibility
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361. # [02:35] <xonecas> themiddleman: I'll ask him for a desktop size version
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363. # [02:37] <nOStahl> what is the benifit of using the video tag vs embedding a youtube vid
364. # [02:37] <nOStahl> besides being able to show on an iphone or something
365. # [02:38] <xonecas> I don't know, for the situation where you don't want to give up rights to the video
366. # [02:38] <xonecas> if you want your own custom player
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368. # [02:39] <xonecas> whats the benefit of using youtube?
369. # [02:39] <tw2113> currently free hosting there?
370. # [02:40] <nOStahl> reducing server load if your self hosting I guess too
371. # [02:40] <xonecas> then it sounds like you should use youtube then :-)
372. # [02:40] <nOStahl> k
373. # [02:41] <xonecas> its really your choice....
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378. # [03:01] <uf0> good news!
379. # [03:01] <uf0> box-shadow works in IE9
380. # [03:01] <moshee> !
381. # [03:01] <uf0> no need for filters :)
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383. # [03:03] <moshee> Does text shadow work in it?
384. # [03:07] <uf0> don't think so..
385. # [03:09] <moshee> :(
386. # [03:11] <paul_irish> lol
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398. # [04:04] <grantg> Hey, if anyone can find optimizations that don't regress anything, I can accept them as patches into the js gameboy color emulator.
399. # [04:04] <grantg> though there is not much more room for increased perf
400. # [04:13] * nOStahl is now known as nOStahl-busy
401. # [04:16] <grantg> tw2113: Should I do Super GameBoy too?
402. # [04:16] <tw2113> have a coin?
403. # [04:16] <grantg> So it looks like you're running the cartridge in the super gameboy SNES cart.
404. # [04:17] <grantg> There's a special cartridge for SuperNES that lets you stick gameboy games into it to play gameboy right in SuperNES
405. # [04:17] <tw2113> http://www.flip-coin.com/
406. # [04:17] <grantg> the big win is that it allows gameboy cartridges to use SuperNES hardware
407. # [04:17] <grantg> colors
408. # [04:18] <grantg> side borders
409. # [04:18] <grantg> etc
410. # [04:18] <grantg> I should just add in SGB support easily
411. # [04:18] <grantg> serial i/o + joypad i/o is easy enough
412. # [04:19] <grantg> I just need to patch in the SGB BIOS
413. # [04:19] <grantg> as well as a few other things
414. # [04:19] <grantg> --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Game_Boy
415. # [04:20] <grantg> all these games have some SGB stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Game_Boy_games
416. # [04:21] <grantg> some add sounds
417. # [04:21] <grantg> some add colorization of the b/w game
418. # [04:21] <grantg> other do borders
419. # [04:21] <grantg> some do all these
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421. # [04:21] <grantg> and one even loads a SuperNES ROM into the SuperNES straight from the DMG cart
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426. # [04:28] <grantg> tw2113: Somebody raged about it on the net
427. # [04:28] <grantg> http://blog.scoutshonour.com/post/2487450388/fuck-the-super-gameboy-kirbys-dream-land-2
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429. # [04:29] <tw2113> i agree, screw kirby :D
430. # [04:30] <grantg> heh
431. # [04:30] <grantg> teh wantz mario
432. # [04:30] <tw2113> they'll live
433. # [04:30] <grantg> or zelda?
434. # [04:30] <tw2113> or they can make their own emulator
435. # [04:31] <grantg> Because right now it's technically a GameBoy Color emulator
436. # [04:31] <grantg> It has the CGB boot ROM too
437. # [04:31] <grantg> as you can tell
438. # [04:31] * tw2113 is burning water
439. # [04:32] <grantg> I specifically designed it towards the CGB rather than the DMG
440. # [04:32] <grantg> though there is a small compat added
441. # [04:32] <grantg> that triggers on DMG mode
442. # [04:33] <grantg> like STAT IRQs firing on an I/O write, when that doesn't happen on a CGB, but is needed for a few games.
443. # [04:33] <grantg> though I don't do this in CGB mode, obvuously
444. # [04:34] <grantg> Since a real gameboy color isn't *fully* back-compat with DMG games
445. # [04:34] <grantg> due to slight of hand differences
446. # [04:34] <tw2113> you're losing me at this point :P
447. # [04:34] <grantg> heh
448. # [04:34] <tw2113> but i won't argue with you ranting
449. # [04:34] <grantg> sorry
450. # [04:34] <grantg> :P
451. # [04:34] <tw2113> it's all good
452. # [04:34] <tw2113> rant on
453. # [04:35] <grantg> tw2113: If you want the classic greenish monochrome color for B/W games, go to the settings and disable the colorization setting. :)
454. # [04:35] <grantg> old skool
455. # [04:36] <grantg> you can change it mid-game fyi
456. # [04:36] <grantg> I keep two parallel palette sets just to be able to change it mid-game.
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459. # [04:41] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: hey guys, is there a point to get back the old twitter acc to tweet our new location?
460. # [04:41] <bot-t> (6 hours 30 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell shichuan can you set your rss feed to have the full posts and not just excerpts? :)
461. # [04:42] <nimbupani> done oredi shichuan :)
462. # [04:42] <shichuan> ok, cool :)
463. # [04:50] <shichuan> paul_irish: wow, thanks for suggesting full posts rss feed, didn't realize that :)
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468. # [05:02] <Zeus86> does anyone here can give me a help on the redirection of my free hosting from my domain to my wordpress?
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472. # [05:12] <niftylettuce> \o
473. # [05:15] <tw2113> niftyfifty :D
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489. # [06:06] <niftylettuce> tw2113: sass is brass
490. # [06:06] <niftylettuce> hamls for camels
491. # [06:06] <niftylettuce> coffeescript for caffeine addicts
492. # [06:06] <niftylettuce> niftyscript for niftylettuce
493. # [06:06] <tw2113> rhyme for a dime?
494. # [06:06] <niftylettuce> -.-
495. # [06:08] <tw2113> :)
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507. # [06:55] <dmachi> paul_irish: any idea when indexedDB is to be available (its in canary as I understand it now, right?)
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511. # [07:10] <paul_irish> dmachi: yeah hanging out in dev channel. was supposed to land in beta tomorrow
512. # [07:10] <paul_irish> but
513. # [07:10] <paul_irish> i'm not sure
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515. # [07:17] <dmachi> paul_irish: cool , thanks
516. # [07:19] <tw2113> who wants to offer an opinion?
517. # [07:19] <tw2113> it'll take a minute max
518. # [07:20] <Samot> i will
519. # [07:21] <tw2113> which needs to be increased more, if not both, at this site http://michaelbox.net . Font size or line height?
520. # [07:21] <tw2113> i'm typing up a post, hit preview, and realized it's kind of bad for reading
521. # [07:22] <Samot> whoa yeah my eyes went haywire when it loaded lol
522. # [07:23] <tw2113> my head is saying line height first
523. # [07:23] <tw2113> and if that doesn't help, probably bump it up to at least 14px size
524. # [07:23] <Samot> i think the whole left column needs to be re done
525. # [07:24] <Samot> its a tad to inconsistent for readability
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527. # [07:24] <Samot> and in it's current state i think you will need to update the font size
528. # [07:24] <tw2113> that's the biggest concern, those two, the rest is probably fine for the most part
529. # [07:25] <tw2113> i feel bad about last summer because it was probably all the same size then, and i was trying to get a lot of traffic during that time :D
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531. # [07:28] <Evet> paul_irish: do you know any server-side html5 polyfills? like pre-rendering html5 canvas to flash, silverlight, etc.?
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536. # [07:52] <paul_irish> Evet: i know node-canvas. and i know clientside polyfills.
537. # [07:52] <paul_irish> ive seen lots of serverside dom and canvas shit
538. # [07:52] <paul_irish> kinda sweirdd
539. # [07:53] <Evet> paul_irish: how is node-canvas?
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590. # [11:13] <metapeter> Hi. I'm trying to work myself into html5 a bit and i'am wondering about some things, that might sound obvious to some of you.
591. # [11:14] <metapeter> I'm about to start a new web project and i would like to know, how you get a downwards compatible html5 site, that is usable for people with non html5 browsers.
592. # [11:14] <metapeter> What's the best practice
593. # [11:15] <cocoadaemon> use html5boilerplate
594. # [11:15] <cocoadaemon> :)
595. # [11:15] <cocoadaemon> it comes with modernizr which detects html5 features on the browser
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597. # [11:15] <cocoadaemon> allowing you to gracefully disallow old browsers to see your shiny html5 website
598. # [11:16] <cocoadaemon> :-D
599. # [11:16] <metapeter> yeeha
600. # [11:18] <metapeter> so, how does this modernizer work? does it transform good old html to html5 if possible, or the other way around, html5 to html, if the browser is not capable of h5
601. # [11:18] <metapeter> the question is: Do i write the markup in old html4/1 or in html5?
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603. # [11:27] <simenbrekken> metapeter: it just does feature detection, you'll need to write your own fallback code
604. # [11:28] <metapeter> simenbrekken: ok, understood. Thanks.
605. # [11:29] <metapeter> So i will have to code two versions of the website, i guess?
606. # [11:29] <danielmahal> well, the boilerplate actually solves most of the stuff you need for making a basic html5 site working in all browsers.
607. # [11:29] <danielmahal> no
608. # [11:29] <danielmahal> read a bit here, and there are videos and stuff as well: http://html5boilerplate.com/
609. # [11:31] <danielmahal> and this might be useful for you: http://diveintohtml5.org/
610. # [11:37] <metapeter> danielmahal: Thank you. If i got you right, i will be doing my markup in HTML5. I will read your links in a minute.
611. # [11:38] <danielmahal> Yep, thats right. HTML5 and 4 is not a big difference. You just use some simple script to make the older browsers compatible with the new elements and stuff
612. # [11:40] <metapeter> :-)
613. # [11:40] <danielmahal> metapeter: this is basically the minimum to get a working html5 site in all browsers. quite simple: http://jsbin.com/omedi6/2/edit
614. # [11:41] <danielmahal> metapeter: but it's probably a good idea to read a bit about it to get a better understanding ;)
615. # [11:42] <metapeter> Yeah, of course - will have to that anyway. Just wanted the rough information.
616. # [11:43] <metapeter> i wonder how this is made: http://muro.deviantart.com/
617. # [11:43] <metapeter> It is said, that it is HTML5, but what technique exactly... some sort of svg with javascript?
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619. # [11:44] <danielmahal> the drawing is done with the html5 element, <canvas>
620. # [11:45] <metapeter> Displaying and manipulating the graphic elements should be done in JS, cause html5 has no logic for that?
621. # [11:45] <danielmahal> Yes
622. # [11:46] <danielmahal> metapeter: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/canvas_tutorial
623. # [11:46] <metapeter> HTML5 is opening some nice doors :-)
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627. # [12:04] <davidmurdoch> anyone awake?
628. # [12:04] <davidmurdoch> and know anything about jPlayer and HTML5 audio in IE9?
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632. # [12:24] <davidmurdoch> IE9 can't play mp3 anymore, can it?
633. # [12:25] <jetienne> with flash it can
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635. # [12:27] <davidmurdoch> but the external interface for flash is broken in IE9, right?
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638. # [12:30] <g105b> IE9 is broken.
639. # [12:31] <davidmurdoch> and IE9 throws and exception when checking htmlAudioElement.canPlayType( "audio/mpeg; codecs='mp3'" ). lame
640. # [12:31] <davidmurdoch> paul_irish's name is at http://mediaelementjs.com/. it doesn't work in IE9 either though.
641. # [12:31] <davidmurdoch> argh.
642. # [12:31] <davidmurdoch> is IE9 the worst browser since IE6?
643. # [12:33] <jetienne> to play mp3 is needed on the web, if not possible, they will fix it
644. # [12:33] <jetienne> all the podcasting + all the radio use mp3
645. # [12:34] <davidmurdoch> note sure what you mean: "to play mp3 is needed on the web, if not possible, they will fix it"?
646. # [12:34] <davidmurdoch> :-/
647. # [12:34] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: this is a bug too big to remain for long
648. # [12:34] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: in my opinion at least
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650. # [12:35] <davidmurdoch> what other format will work cross-browser?
651. # [12:37] <davidmurdoch> with a flash fallback
652. # [12:37] <jetienne> davidmurdoch: none that i konw of. http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html for some info
653. # [12:39] <g105b> IE9 is the new IE6. It will be forced down users' throats by Micro$oft and still doesn't include an auto-updater. If only it were a bit good.
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655. # [12:46] <davidmurdoch> lol. microsofts very own test-drive page touting HTML5 video support doesn't work in IE9
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658. # [12:51] <davidmurdoch> IE9 is costing me so much money right now.
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665. # [13:06] <davidmurdoch> sigh....guess I'm going with <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE8,chrome=1">
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667. # [13:07] <JKarsrud> is there a way to style validation messages in mozilla browsers?
668. # [13:07] <JKarsrud> like you can in webkit?
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670. # [13:08] <JKarsrud> http://jsfiddle.net/R9TMU/1/ like that basicallu
671. # [13:08] <JKarsrud> *basically
672. # [13:12] <jetienne> Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * <- if i put that header in the http response, it should always be allowed, correct ?
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748. # [15:53] <shichuan> daleharvey: hav u tried the scrolling of sencha touch? it's move responsive than iscroll.
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750. # [15:56] <shichuan> nimbupani: when i do a search for opera on android, i got both mobile and mini shown up in the result
751. # [15:57] <shichuan> nimbupani: is there a very good reason to have both in the same android market?
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753. # [15:57] <nimbupani> shichuan: ha, I am not sure! But opera mini is exclusively turbo access which means pages will be compressed on server and sent.
754. # [15:58] <nimbupani> miketaylr: do you know more?
755. # [15:58] <miketaylr> 'bout what?
756. # [15:58] <miketaylr> oh
757. # [15:58] <miketaylr> shichuan: they do different things well
758. # [15:58] <miketaylr> i use mini and mobile on my EVO
759. # [15:59] <shichuan> nimbupani: actually this is more about from a user than a developer point, i just feel when i see two results, i dunno what to choose
760. # [15:59] <miketaylr> so like, if you want to read something quickly, use Mini. but if you want to watch a flash video, or interact with JS stuff, use Mobile
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762. # [15:59] <nimbupani> that^
763. # [15:59] <shichuan> miketaylr: thanks
764. # [15:59] <miketaylr> np
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768. # [16:01] <nimbupani> so shichuan if you are in an area where internet connection is really really slow.
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770. # [16:01] <nimbupani> you should use mini :P
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774. # [16:03] <daleharvey> shichuan: I havent, will definitely look out for it
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776. # [16:03] <shichuan> nimbupani: yea, i dunno why, with same internet, the default android browser is slower and less stable than safari on ios
777. # [16:03] <daleharvey> s/look out/test it in a second
778. # [16:03] <shichuan> nimbupani: so i hav to use opera on android at times
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781. # [16:06] <shichuan> daleharvey: i mean sencha may not be useful if u just want a default, cos it's like jquery mobile, a lot of ui (may not be needed), but the performance is better
782. # [16:07] <daleharvey> shichuan: if it scrolls faster, then at least theres a base at which I can look at extracting just the scrolling action
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784. # [16:07] <daleharvey> rather sad that everyone on mobile is working on frameworks though
785. # [16:07] <daleharvey> and not libraries
786. # [16:08] * daleharvey is really trying to avoid picking another project for myself
787. # [16:08] <shichuan> yea, jquery can easily do something about it
788. # [16:08] <daleharvey> I have yet to finish the last 20
789. # [16:09] <Dorward> win2
790. # [16:09] <Dorward> Whoops. Sorry.
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797. # [16:18] <salazr> what the hell.. check this page in anything BUT Firefox
798. # [16:18] <salazr> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0/whatsnew/
799. # [16:18] <salazr> completely broken in webkit..
800. # [16:20] <salazr> you would think they'd be interested in having users outside of FF looking at that..
801. # [16:21] <miketaylr> broken in opera too
802. # [16:21] <miketaylr> -moz- FTL
803. # [16:22] <miketaylr> granted, that's usually a page you visit from within FF
804. # [16:23] <salazr> that link is floating around twitter this morning.. which is how i found it
805. # [16:24] <miketaylr> yeah...that's not gonna get them very many people who don't have FF set as their default
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810. # [16:30] <paul_irish> :( they're usually very good about that stuf
811. # [16:30] <paul_irish> that's a bummer.
812. # [16:31] <zachleat> broken in IE7
813. # [16:31] <zachleat> they use document.querySelector
814. # [16:32] <zachleat> and IE8. very strange.
815. # [16:33] <shichuan> i mean since it's a 'what's new' page, only ppl who have the old might be interested in seeing
816. # [16:33] <shichuan> a person who is totally new to ff might want to read 'what is it' intead of 'what's new'
817. # [16:34] <zachleat> I don't see that URL linked to from the home page at all
818. # [16:34] <miketaylr> it's not, it's an in-product page
819. # [16:34] <miketaylr> but i guess peeps are tiwttttering it
820. # [16:34] <miketaylr> they just need to ... stop
821. # [16:35] <zachleat> Oh! that's the url that shows up after you bring up Firefox for the first time.
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823. # [16:35] <zachleat> You guys got me all worked up for nothing.
824. # [16:36] <shichuan> arh i see, if ppl are tweeting, then they might have to fix this
825. # [16:36] <swalk> well for a small amount of work they could have made it more cross browser compatible
826. # [16:36] <swalk> for a situation like this
827. # [16:37] <Jon47> an approved value for rel attributes in links or a tags, according to WHAT working group:
828. # [16:37] <Jon47> rel="crush" - this person considers the referenced person to be a crush (i.e. has a crush on the referenced person)
829. # [16:37] <Jon47> nice work, to whichever technologist spent time developing that definition
830. # [16:37] <paul_irish> rel="bootycall"
831. # [16:37] <Jon47> lol
832. # [16:38] <zachleat> Stay away from my mom paul, you've got a rep
833. # [16:38] <paul_irish> ;)
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835. # [16:43] <salazr> for what is worth, Firefox 4 is a much better browser, and i still can't work without Firebug.. (though i am trying hard to embrace webkit's inspector.. )
836. # [16:43] <miketaylr> Jon47: heh, reminds me of that XNA crap
837. # [16:43] <miketaylr> oh..XFN that's it
838. # [16:44] <Jon47> miketaylr actually it seems XFN are the people who submited the proposal: http://gmpg.org/xfn/11
839. # [16:44] <zachleat> mike, you must be doing some Windows Phone 7 dev :)
840. # [16:44] <salazr> in fact, the main reason i'm jumping around so much, is for the opacity states for dom objects in the html view.. just makes it much easier to look at something when everything around it is faded out.. whereas with webkit's inspector, everything looks just as vibrant
841. # [16:44] <miketaylr> hahaha heavens no
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846. # [16:48] <zachleat> too late, that little slipup is already on techcrunch
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851. # [16:49] <zachleat> "Opera focuses on Windows Phone 7 platform"
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856. # [17:00] <paul_irish> http://blog.androidsnippets.com/2011/how-html5-boilerplate-helped-drastically-improving-our-website-performance \o/
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858. # [17:02] <BrianBlakely> My own boiler can't keep up with h5bp.. it's just moving too fast!
859. # [17:02] <BrianBlakely> Time to make the switch soon...
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862. # [17:04] <paul_irish> ZOOOOOOOOM
863. # [17:04] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: just use the new one for new projects you are good.
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866. # [17:06] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Yeah, I definitely wasn't thinking about changing current projects to h5bp.. that might be more trouble than it's worth :P
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868. # [17:07] <BrianBlakely> Especially in an agency environment, where projects quickly fade away once finished
869. # [17:07] <nimbupani> haha yeah :/
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872. # [17:12] <shichuan> only boutique agencies can deliver good online work
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874. # [17:13] <nimbupani> :)
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881. # [17:37] <paul_irish> http://glow.mozilla.org/ !!!!!!!!!!
882. # [17:37] <paul_irish> WOOHOOO ONE MILLION
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884. # [17:39] <Jon47> that is a really shiny webpage
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887. # [17:44] <xonecas> paulrouget: 10 tweets per minute!! :-)
888. # [17:45] <paulrouget> paul_irish: yeaaah!
889. # [17:45] <paulrouget> \o/
890. # [17:45] <paulrouget> xonecas: :)
891. # [17:46] <xonecas> awesome, congrats!
892. # [17:46] <paulrouget> thank you ^^
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904. # [18:00] <Jon47> ff4 is pretty rad, i like the tab grouping function
905. # [18:01] <jetienne> go go !
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907. # [18:07] <BrianBlakely> Anyone know where to begin getting into AR?
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909. # [18:07] <BrianBlakely> This is turning me on: https://mozillademos.org/demos/remixingreality/demo.html
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911. # [18:09] <paulrouget> BrianBlakely: :)
912. # [18:09] <paulrouget> BrianBlakely: http://weblog.bocoup.com/javascript-augmented-reality
913. # [18:10] <xonecas> https://mozillademos.org/demos/remixingreality/demo.html
914. # [18:10] <xonecas> ups
915. # [18:10] <xonecas> sorry
916. # [18:10] <BrianBlakely> paulrouget, you rock <3
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918. # [18:12] <jetienne> make me wish we had device api for the webcam
919. # [18:12] <jetienne> it will be so nice
920. # [18:14] <BrianBlakely> jetienne: That's what's been killing me all morning..
921. # [18:15] <BrianBlakely> PhoneGap helps in the mobile space
922. # [18:15] <paulrouget> jetienne: coming
923. # [18:15] <BrianBlakely> But Gecko/Webkit/etc need this natively ASAP
924. # [18:16] <BrianBlakely> paulrouget: FF5 will have full DAP spec, confirmed? ;)
925. # [18:16] <jetienne> paulrouget: cant wait :)
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933. # [18:22] <xonecas> http://badassoftheweek.com/akaiwa.html -> This guy > all
934. # [18:22] <xonecas> trully awesome story
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942. # [18:32] <paulrouget> look at this video and spread the word :) http://www.mozilla.org/about/
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948. # [18:35] <tw2113> paulrouget it was set live at 9:30PST?
949. # [18:35] <paulrouget> tw2113: glow ?
950. # [18:35] <tw2113> the firefox4 download
951. # [18:36] <tw2113> trying to calculate how much time it's been available related to my local time
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955. # [18:37] <paulrouget> tw2113: http://twitter.com/#!/paulrouget/status/50233578054893568
956. # [18:37] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/gthgCw @paulrouget: #firefox4: 1.000.000 downloads! Counter started at 7am PDT. It's 9:30am PDT. http://glow.mozilla.org
957. # [18:37] <paulrouget> voilà :)
958. # [18:38] <tw2113> got it, 3.5 hours of availability and already well above 1mil
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961. # [18:39] <paulrouget> tw2113: see the bar on the bottom?
962. # [18:39] <paulrouget> tw2113: click on it
963. # [18:40] <tw2113> nice
964. # [18:40] <paulrouget> tw2113: the bottom right one says: 6500 downloads per minute
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966. # [18:40] <Michael> Do you guys use mustache js at all?
967. # [18:40] <Michael> Seems pretty awesome
968. # [18:41] <tw2113> I visted getfirefox.com and it told me i was already uptodate....i love linux
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970. # [18:41] <tw2113> but i downloaded a tarball anyway
971. # [18:41] <Michael> You could always contribute your own packages
972. # [18:42] <digitalfiz> i hate when people use fake download counters :(
973. # [18:43] <tw2113> i'm fairy certain that this very well could re-break the most downloads in 24 hours record
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975. # [18:44] <paulrouget> tw2113: hopefully
976. # [18:44] <paulrouget> tw2113: but we'll need more downloads
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978. # [18:46] <digitalfiz> paulrouget, did you make that glow page?
979. # [18:47] <tw2113> if anything i imagine he helped with it
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981. # [18:48] <digitalfiz> would be awesome if it actually counted up the downloads instead of just running the number up ive yet to see a realtime downloads tracker
982. # [18:48] <jetienne> (any good page on how to enable webgl on ff4 ?)
983. # [18:48] <paulrouget> digitalfiz: @jeffbalogh
984. # [18:48] <digitalfiz> guess it would be kind of taxing to ping and get a download count every second
985. # [18:48] <paulrouget> http://blog.mozilla.com/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/
986. # [18:48] * tw2113 installs the open web apps add-on
987. # [18:48] <paulrouget> "How glow.mozilla.org gets its data"
988. # [18:49] <digitalfiz> i figure the initial number is right but after refreshing a few times it doesnt match up with how high its counted after being on the page for a few secs
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990. # [18:51] <paul_irish> http://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/docs/using_chrome.html balllerrrrrrrrrrr
991. # [18:51] <djazz> how do I remove an item from localStorage? .remove(), .removeItem, delete.. none work
992. # [18:51] <tw2113> i have one person telling me that Firefox4 wiped out bookmarks
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994. # [18:52] <digitalfiz> nice paul_irish
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1000. # [18:57] <digitalfiz> interesting
1001. # [18:57] <digitalfiz> so i click relaunch after enabling experimental extentions
1002. # [18:57] <digitalfiz> and it logged me out of ubuntu
1003. # [18:58] <digitalfiz> close all my apps everything
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1006. # [18:59] <digitalfiz> paul_irish you made me lose all my work!
1007. # [18:59] <paul_irish> :(
1008. # [18:59] <digitalfiz> jk jk
1009. # [18:59] * paul_irish hides.
1010. # [19:00] <digitalfiz> usually when i play with things i stop and save anything im doing :P
1011. # [19:00] <digitalfiz> ive had my pc freeze up to many times on me i compulsivly hit ctrl+s
1012. # [19:01] <paul_irish> oh my. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detecting_a_browser's_HTML5_compatibility
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1014. # [19:04] <Jon47> paul_irish what's different between that and the Audit tool?
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1016. # [19:06] <digitalfiz> This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
1017. # [19:06] <digitalfiz> 07:59, 22 March 2011 Night Gyr (talk | contribs) deleted "Detecting a browser's HTML5 compatibility" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)
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1023. # [19:08] <Evet> is sencha touch worth to buy?
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1027. # [19:17] <Michael> dunno. Looks neat
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1032. # [19:27] <rgervais> fuckin ff4 is the shiznet
1033. # [19:27] <rgervais> !
1034. # [19:27] <zewt> any clues of why O11 is putting additional padding between the <p> and the <table> here v. eg. Chrome 10: http://zewt.org/~glenn/opera-test.html
1035. # [19:27] <zewt> goes away if 1: I remove the HTML5 doctype, 2: remove the first <tr>, 3: remove inline-block on the table
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1037. # [19:28] <rgervais> what happens if you switch the doctype to html4
1038. # [19:28] <rgervais> zewt
1039. # [19:28] <rgervais> instead of just removing it completely
1040. # [19:29] <zewt> looks unchanged from HTML5
1041. # [19:29] <rgervais> ok so we know it has nothing to do with doctype at least.
1042. # [19:29] <rgervais> and number 2 as well..
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1044. # [19:30] <zewt> it goes away with the xhtml1-trans doctype (which is what the site this is from originally used--trying to switch it to HTML5)
1045. # [19:31] <paul_irish> Jon47: a lot.
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1047. # [19:31] <rgervais> hmm that's interesting..
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1049. # [19:33] <rgervais> zewt: maybe mess around with line-height?
1050. # [19:33] <zewt> i did earlier on when I was trying to track this down, though not before I reduced it...
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1052. # [19:34] <zewt> sort of interesting: if I set body's line-height to 100px, the problem becomes much more pronounced
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1055. # [19:37] <zewt> in Chrome, line-height has no effect on the amount of space between the green and red backgrounds; in Opera it does
1056. # [19:37] <zewt> which seems like a hint...
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1058. # [19:37] <rgervais> zewt: that's a weird one, not sure
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1061. # [19:38] <BrianBlakely> I wonder if Glow would have been easier with WebSockets...
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1064. # [19:40] <nimbupani> paul_irish: http://nimbupani.com/accessible-css-barcharts.html
1065. # [19:40] <BrianBlakely> Chrome may have the fastest JS engine, but graphically-intense applications (like Glow here) really chug
1066. # [19:40] <nimbupani> IE closed that bug as "by design"
1067. # [19:40] <nimbupani> so you cant have anything ubt a table layout for a table.
1068. # [19:40] <zewt> hmm
1069. # [19:40] <paul_irish> oh
1070. # [19:40] <zewt> FF4 agrees with Chrome 10; IE9 agrees with Opera
1071. # [19:40] <paul_irish> position vs display, nimbu
1072. # [19:41] <nimbupani> position only works on normal flow paul_irish!
1073. # [19:41] <zewt> so I can't just shrug it off as an Opera bug...
1074. # [19:41] <paul_irish> what about display:none ?
1075. # [19:41] <nimbupani> no idea :/
1076. # [19:41] <paul_irish> http://www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Internet-Web-Broswer-History-Infographic-1.jpg
1077. # [19:41] <nimbupani> lemme get a testcase.
1078. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_Quirks_Mode_Behavior#Block_and_Inline_layout
1079. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> zewt, ^ ?
1080. # [19:43] <zewt> shouldn't I be in standards mode with the HTML5 doctype?
1081. # [19:44] <nimbupani> anyone has IE9 to check? i need to install Windows on my new machine >_> http://jsfiddle.net/nimbu/XVHCR/
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1086. # [19:52] <nimbupani> WTF THEY FIXED IT
1087. # [19:52] <nimbupani> yet they closed the bug as BY DESIGN
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1089. # [19:52] <zewt> well in my experience that's how they close all bugs :)
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1091. # [19:52] <nimbupani> well at least it means it works
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1093. # [19:54] <nimbupani> haha :)
1094. # [19:54] <nimbupani> well i am happy.
1095. # [19:55] <nimbupani> as long as they follow what others do.
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1098. # [19:58] <paul_irish> paulrouget: i think its gone now
1099. # [19:58] <paul_irish> http://fuckyeahcsscolors.com/
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1102. # [20:01] <monteslu> #papayawhip
1103. # [20:01] <monteslu> you know someone laughed when they named that
1104. # [20:02] <zachleat> 2M wooooo
1105. # [20:02] <nimbupani> thats paul_irish's fav color
1106. # [20:05] <paul_irish> that and fuchsia
1107. # [20:06] <nimbupani> i think i spoke too early
1108. # [20:06] <nimbupani> http://jsfiddle.net/XVHCR/1/
1109. # [20:06] <BrianBlakely> Named colors is the most idiosyncratic part of CSS :P
1110. # [20:06] <nimbupani> doesnt work in IE9
1111. # [20:07] <zachleat> I've been waiting for thead { position: fixed; } to work anywhere
1112. # [20:07] <BrianBlakely> zachleat: :(
1113. # [20:07] <nimbupani> SO paul_irish there you go evidence for pos: relative not working on table elements.
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1115. # [20:09] <zachleat> Or cross browser col { display: none; } support
1116. # [20:09] <zachleat> where it adjusts for colspans
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1120. # [20:10] <rgervais> ok why is it that you have to manually uprade to FF4
1121. # [20:11] <rgervais> and it isn't done automatically and "checking for updates"?
1122. # [20:11] <zewt> no way they could do that now
1123. # [20:11] <zewt> need to wait quite a while to make sure plugins are updated...
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1128. # [20:12] <zewt> speaking of which I need to mail the VertTabbar guy to see if he's still maintaining it; that's the main thing keeping me from updating...
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1131. # [20:13] <monteslu> http://jsfiddle.net/duTbw/ <- PayaWhip/Fucshia Boiler plate
1132. # [20:13] <monteslu> yeah, I was that bored
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1135. # [20:15] <nimbupani> hahahahaa monteslu :D
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1138. # [20:16] <nimbupani> i hope paul_irish does not see it.
1139. # [20:16] <paul_irish> >_>
1140. # [20:16] <paul_irish> OMG
1141. # [20:16] <paul_irish> nimbupani: !
1142. # [20:16] <paul_irish> new color scheme
1143. # [20:16] <nimbupani> NO NO NO
1144. # [20:16] <monteslu> the hawtness
1145. # [20:16] <paul_irish> YES YES YES
1146. # [20:16] <nimbupani> NOT HAPPENING
1147. # [20:16] <paul_irish> :'((((((((((
1148. # [20:16] <paul_irish> paulie wants his hot pink papaya smoothie
1149. # [20:17] <monteslu> its truly truly outrageous
1150. # [20:17] <nimbupani> i am sorry it makes paulie fat and ugly.
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1167. # [20:30] <Jon47> the opera line is hilarious
1168. # [20:34] <Jon47> this chart makes it look like.. as soon as Chrome came out, Firefox's market share stopped growing and IE's stopped shrinking..
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1187. # [20:53] <zachleat> I really struggle with resources to recommend to beginners, had someone ask me today for intro to CSS resources, any recommendations?
1188. # [20:53] <moo-_-> http://glow.mozilla.org/
1189. # [20:53] <moo-_-> zachleat: there are
1190. # [20:53] <moo-_-> zachleat: but I cannot know any out of my head
1191. # [20:54] <moo-_-> zachleat: I studied it by simply reading the W3C spec
1192. # [20:54] <moo-_-> it was CSS 2.1 by the time
1193. # [20:54] <moo-_-> the CSS spec was quite easy to understand, as oppose to some material W3C has released
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1195. # [20:55] <daleharvey> how many downloads did ie9 get?
1196. # [20:55] <HAITI> Cheers!
1197. # [20:55] <daleharvey> looks like ff4 is pretty close
1198. # [20:55] <zachleat> 2.35M in 24 hours
1199. # [20:56] <nimbupani> woahh moz is beating them hands down!
1200. # [20:56] <zachleat> Wonder how many of the FF4 downloads are on Windows XP :D
1201. # [20:57] <nimbupani> hehehehehe
1202. # [20:57] <nimbupani> thats like so depressing no upgrade path for ie on xp, 2000
1203. # [20:57] <paulrouget> 7 hours, 2.35M
1204. # [20:57] <zewt> ie9 not working on XP is inexcusable
1205. # [20:58] <paulrouget> wondering how much we will do in 24 hours
1206. # [20:58] <nimbupani> paulrouget: might set a new record then :)
1207. # [20:58] <zewt> making me run a gigantic win7 VM to test ie9 D:
1208. # [20:58] <zachleat> 8M!!
1209. # [20:58] <nimbupani> 6.5M!
1210. # [20:58] <daleharvey> I dont think its depressing, I think its good that old platforms start getting deprecated
1211. # [20:58] <zewt> you can't deprecate something until you've replaced it, and there's no replacement for XP
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1213. # [20:58] <nimbupani> yeah thats the thing.
1214. # [20:59] <zewt> i'm avoiding win7 for my desktop as long as possible--it's too unpolished
1215. # [20:59] <daleharvey> but at the same time, its nice that ie lost a lot of good will and ffx / chrome get some new users / good press :P
1216. # [20:59] <nimbupani> zewt: its pretty okay for testing :P
1217. # [20:59] <zachleat> ? Windows 7 is the replacement. The problem is that they are coupling the browser and OS
1218. # [20:59] <bot-t> zachleat, jQuery.map() - Translate all items in an array or array-like object to another array of items. http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.map/
1219. # [20:59] <nimbupani> not as terrible as Vista.
1220. # [20:59] <zewt> that's like saying "not as painful as eating pinecones"
1221. # [21:00] <zewt> (who doesn't like an analogy?)
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1223. # [21:01] <zewt> in win7 it seems like they took keyboard navigation out of the QA path entirely
1224. # [21:01] <zewt> so much that was really quickly accessible in XP is not in 7
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1227. # [21:02] <moo-_-> zewt: there is replacement for windows xp and it is called ubuntu :)
1228. # [21:03] <zewt> for some people :)
1229. # [21:03] <nimbupani> hahaha zewt
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1233. # [21:05] <rgervais_> zewt: I disagree as an XP user that upgraded
1234. # [21:05] <rgervais_> i'm quite happy with it
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1236. # [21:05] <rgervais_> and i suggest you move on as well
1237. # [21:06] <rgervais_> win7 is pretty stable
1238. # [21:06] <rgervais_> vista is a whole nother conversation
1239. # [21:06] <rgervais_> that said, ff4 all the way
1240. # [21:06] <zachleat> Sure, but getting people to upgrade their OS is a helluva lot harder than trying to get them to upgrade their browser, which is what we really care about right?
1241. # [21:06] <rgervais_> zachleat: true indeed
1242. # [21:07] <zewt> broken keyboard navigation isn't something one can simply "move on"
1243. # [21:07] <zewt> no keyboard shortcuts in the copy prompt dialog and broken tab order in the open/save dialog are a couple big ones that I recall, from using it for a few hours in a VM
1244. # [21:08] <rgervais_> well you'll be in stuck in xp for awhile, you should adjust
1245. # [21:08] <rgervais_> xp is old, and it's great for getting viruses
1246. # [21:08] <zewt> "adjust" how, exactly? these are basic things
1247. # [21:09] <zewt> "my car will only turn left" well you should adjust
1248. # [21:09] <zewt> what was alt-a to overwrite all is now something like 5-7 button presses, heh
1249. # [21:10] <zewt> http://zewt.org/~glenn/opera-test.html <- made the spacing strangeness somewhat clearer; still not sure what's going on, but it happens in O11 and IE9, and doesn't happen in Chrome 10 and FF4
1250. # [21:11] <rgervais_> zewt: i don't get why your using display: inline-block
1251. # [21:12] * jacine is now known as jacine|afk
1252. # [21:12] <rgervais_> why not just use regular old divs
1253. # [21:12] <rgervais_> ?
1254. # [21:12] <rgervais_> and then do display: inline-block
1255. # [21:12] <xonecas> I use windows 7 and XP, and my choice by far would be 7. yes its different, but once your get over it, its way more reliable than xp
1256. # [21:13] <zewt> not sure what you're saying; I'm using inline-block because the tables are inline-block (there are several of these tables in the actual layout)
1257. # [21:13] <xonecas> I haven't gotten more than one or two bsod
1258. # [21:13] <zewt> xp (xp64, actually) is stable for me; everyone's mileage varies and all that
1259. # [21:13] <xonecas> paul_irish: I want a javascript badge :'(
1260. # [21:14] <zewt> do you mean stuff in table in a div to avoid putting inline-block on a table?
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1262. # [21:14] <zewt> (i can try that to see if it's a workaround, anyway)
1263. # [21:14] <rgervais_> yea i mean, a table is meant to be a table so making it display inline block is just weird
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1265. # [21:15] <zewt> a table is meant to be whatever it's being used for :)
1266. # [21:15] <rgervais_> put in a div and then display inline block
1267. # [21:15] <zewt> (i'd be happy to avoid using it here if modern CSS border features were supported, but alas...)
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1269. # [21:17] <zewt> no change by doing that, unfortunately
1270. # [21:18] <rgervais_> does the problem occur in ie8?
1271. # [21:18] <zewt> not sure, would have to start another VM to check
1272. # [21:19] <zewt> (VMware must really love MS with their one-browser-per-OS mindset)
1273. # [21:19] <rgervais_> yea i see the issue on ie8 as well
1274. # [21:20] <zewt> i don't know if IE/Opera is right or FF/Chrome is (can't guess without knowing why it's happening)
1275. # [21:21] <rgervais_> ie is never right, FF is
1276. # [21:22] <rgervais_> or chrome
1277. # [21:22] <zewt> well O11 does the same thing
1278. # [21:22] <zewt> (which is where I noticed it first)
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1283. # [21:24] <salazr> paul_irish: so i did some more digging into what was stopping the build script and/or the htmlcompressor from minifying all my .php files.. and finally got it to work
1284. # [21:24] <salazr> *sorry, obviously talking about boilerplate and following up on it because i know it may be something worth documenting somewhere
1285. # [21:24] <rgervais_> zewt: if you really need to use display: inline-block.. i'm not sure how to help
1286. # [21:25] <zewt> inline-block isn't exactly bleeding-edge, heh
1287. # [21:25] <rgervais_> but an alternative to the similar behavior
1288. # [21:25] <rgervais_> is.. {display: block; float: left;}
1289. # [21:26] <zewt> it looks like the padding is about 1/2 of the line-height
1290. # [21:26] <nimbupani> salazr: what did you have to do to make it work?
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1292. # [21:26] <nimbupani> you could edit the docs: http://html5boilerplate.com/docs/
1293. # [21:26] <zewt> i'm using inline-block because it avoids a lot of hassle involved with using floats for lists
1294. # [21:27] <zewt> (don't recall what they were with this particular layout; been a year or so since I originally set this up)
1295. # [21:27] <salazr> nimbupani so in the -htmlcompress section of the build.xml, you need to add one argument (--preserve-php) and modify the mapper's regex file extension from .html to .php
1296. # [21:27] <rgervais_> yea aware of that
1297. # [21:27] <salazr> nimbupani i'll make a note in the docs
1298. # [21:27] <nimbupani> okay.
1299. # [21:28] <nimbupani> yeah thanks salazr!
1300. # [21:28] <rgervais_> scratches head, don't know
1301. # [21:28] <zewt> given that IE9 and Opera match, and this doesn't happen in all doctypes, it seems like this must be a known spec ambiguity or something ... known to someone, anyway ...
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1304. # [21:35] <paul_irish> salazr: nice! good sleuthing
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1313. # [21:37] <salazr> boom. just saved my edits on github
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1315. # [21:38] <paul_irish> :)
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1324. # [21:46] <BrianBlakely> C'mon Asia, wake up and smell the browser!
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1327. # [21:51] <xonecas> nimbupani: paul_irish whats this new thing on the h5bp that the script.js $(function () { }); ?
1328. # [21:51] <xonecas> (or something similar)
1329. # [21:51] <paul_irish> ?
1330. # [21:52] <xonecas> nevermind
1331. # [21:53] <xonecas> I just cloned the repo yesterday created a new project and saw that in there
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1333. # [21:53] <xonecas> I repeated the process and I don't see it no more :-)
1334. # [21:53] <nimbupani> ha
1335. # [21:54] <xonecas> my bad :-(
1336. # [21:54] <xonecas> but paul_irish you forgot me when you said thanks for the contributions :'(
1337. # [21:54] <xonecas> you made me very sad...
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1339. # [21:55] <paul_irish> :( im sorry.. it wasnt not easy to collect up all the people who contributed
1340. # [21:55] <xonecas> LOL I'm just kidding, its thanks enough to let me help out
1341. # [21:55] <nimbupani> yeah we had a hard time :|
1342. # [21:56] <xonecas> and besides the node config has my name in there :-P
1343. # [21:56] <nimbupani> next time paul_irish we just standardize on 'thanks' as the keyword :P
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1346. # [21:56] <paul_irish> thxthx
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1349. # [22:02] <xonecas> So, I used ie9 for my browsing around when it came out, so that I could gather info on it and get to know it. While I was positively impressed, I did notice some weird things here and there. (most of the time, they were consequences from hacks for older browsers) Now I've been using fx4 since I saw the link this morning and so far no glitches. I even re-visited some sites that I noticed errors on IE9 to see if fx4 was affected, and noth
1350. # [22:03] <xonecas> I wanted to share my experience :-)
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1352. # [22:03] <nimbupani> xonecas: its a problem with browser sniffing too :|
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1356. # [22:05] <xonecas> nimbupani: true I did notice that, of all sites, twitter was delivering different markup for ie*
1357. # [22:05] <nimbupani> yeah it sucks. i wish sites would not do that.
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1359. # [22:06] <xonecas> agreed!
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1362. # [22:07] <xonecas> lol paul_irish tweet about fx4 is the second top tweet
1363. # [22:07] <paul_irish> not bad.
1364. # [22:07] <paul_irish> i should tweet about chrome sometime.
1365. # [22:07] <xonecas> paul_irish: oh the irony!
1366. # [22:08] <BrianBlakely> I think there's a problem with Glow
1367. # [22:08] <BrianBlakely> A place called "Alfred, NY" has 121,000 downloads, but NYC has 13,000
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1369. # [22:08] <paul_irish> hmmmmmm
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1377. # [22:15] <alrra> does anyone have / know where i can find some accurate statistics about the google gears use ? :)
1378. # [22:15] <bot-t> :)
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1380. # [22:18] <xonecas> alrra: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/04/list-of-applications-that-use-google.html
1381. # [22:18] <xonecas> its a little bit old, but so is gears
1382. # [22:19] <xonecas> most of these apps are now using html5 for what they needed gears.
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1386. # [22:22] <alrra> xonecas: i was looking for: how many people use gears (have it installed) :)
1387. # [22:22] <xonecas> I see, while I would think it is a very small ammount I don't have facts/number to support it
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1399. # [22:41] <daleharvey> I thought gears was dead?
1400. # [22:41] <snover> it is!
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1406. # [22:54] <ale_> does someone use html-5-canvas-whiteboard google project?
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1408. # [22:55] <grantg> xonecas: At your request (I think it was you, unless someone else requested it :P ) - http://www.grantgalitz.org/WarioLand3/
1409. # [22:55] <paul_irish> wooo
1410. # [22:56] <xonecas> grantg: it wasn't me, but I'll take it
1411. # [22:56] <xonecas> :-)
1412. # [22:56] <grantg> lol
1413. # [22:56] <grantg> k
1414. # [22:56] <grantg> classic wario lol
1415. # [22:56] <xonecas> eheh, so do you got multyplayer ready ?
1416. # [22:56] <xonecas> :-P
1417. # [22:57] <grantg> xonecas: later
1418. # [22:57] <grantg> first will be IR linking
1419. # [22:57] <grantg> last will be the classic "cable" link
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1421. # [22:57] <grantg> because the cable requires tight sync.
1422. # [22:57] <grantg> it's a hardware connection, remember that.
1423. # [22:57] <grantg> IR is clocked slower and it's easier
1424. # [22:58] <xonecas> ok
1425. # [22:58] <xonecas> how do you fix the sound on fx4?
1426. # [22:58] <grantg> now that firefox 4 is out. w00t
1427. # [22:58] <grantg> xonecas: What?
1428. # [22:58] <xonecas> theres a lot click and crack going on
1429. # [22:59] <grantg> Windows?
1430. # [22:59] <grantg> Or Linux?
1431. # [22:59] <grantg> Mac OS X is fine, you won't have probs on mac
1432. # [23:00] <grantg> something weird about mozAudio and windows NT
1433. # [23:00] <xonecas> Windows 7
1434. # [23:00] <grantg> you ran into the mozAudio windows 7 bug.
1435. # [23:00] <grantg> Or really winNT bug
1436. # [23:00] <grantg> since it happens on XP as well
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1438. # [23:01] <grantg> something about how FF4 interfaces with windows that's having some issues
1439. # [23:01] <grantg> I know it's windows specific though
1440. # [23:01] <grantg> Definitely does not happen on mac
1441. # [23:02] <grantg> does it overrun and underrun?
1442. # [23:02] <grantg> like it will have a 2 second audio delay and hit a buffer wall?
1443. # [23:03] <grantg> or it will click when you do crap to firefox like moving it around?
1444. # [23:03] <grantg> heh
1445. # [23:03] <grantg> funny how this doesn't happen on OSX
1446. # [23:03] <grantg> <_<
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1449. # [23:05] <grantg> best bet is to just reset the page
1450. # [23:05] <grantg> that resets the buffer
1451. # [23:05] <grantg> nothing I can fix on my side
1452. # [23:06] <grantg> this is most likely the mozCurrentSampleOffset bug you're running in to.
1453. # [23:06] <grantg> where it reports the wrong number
1454. # [23:06] <grantg> or some weird shit in the audio system with windows
1455. # [23:07] <grantg> like a rounding off or some wrong buffer math in the OS
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1457. # [23:10] <zewt> i've hit weirdo graphics corruption in ff4, usually with canvas, but it's intermittent and goes away after a repaint
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1459. # [23:10] <zewt> i've seen other people talking about it so i assume it's well-known
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1461. # [23:11] <grantg> might be some weird hw acceleration bug
1462. # [23:11] <grantg> I've hit one too
1463. # [23:11] <grantg> but with DIVs
1464. # [23:11] <zewt> that's my guess, it happens most often after coming out of lock
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1466. # [23:12] <grantg> opacity + flash = firefox 4 HW acceleration bug
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1468. # [23:12] <zewt> and the appearance, and the fact that it'll draw stuff from other browser tabs, makes it look like eg. texture memory corruption
1469. # [23:12] <grantg> make the div an opacity between 0 and 1, include flash in it, and bam!
1470. # [23:12] <grantg> weird VRAM corruption
1471. # [23:12] <zewt> (guessing it's not a security problem--since it goes away on the next paint I doubt the contents can actually be read by the page)
1472. # [23:12] <grantg> zewt: yeah
1473. # [23:13] <grantg> like something it has already painted appears elsewhere
1474. # [23:13] <zewt> (otherwise I'd probably spend more time looking into it)
1475. # [23:13] <grantg> like the opacity + flash bug
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1477. # [23:14] <zewt> heh a fun mistake in FF that I'm guessing everyone makes once: "view image" on a canvas
1478. # [23:14] * grantg needs to make a joke against gamecube's gameboy player with the js gameboy color emu
1479. # [23:14] <grantg> xonecas: ideas?
1480. # [23:15] <grantg> :P
1481. # [23:15] <grantg> gameboy player ain't got nothin' on JS gameboy color
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1484. # [23:18] <zachleat_> So, are the huge European Firefox 4 download stats on glow due to http://www.browserchoice.eu/ ?
1485. # [23:19] <xonecas> grantg: ahahah here's one, "let me see you take your gamecube in your pocket"; /me walks away playing mariokart
1486. # [23:19] <grantg> xonecas: The easiest way to "fix" the audio is to use the main emu http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ and to just go to its settings and toggle the audio
1487. # [23:19] <grantg> lol
1488. # [23:20] <grantg> that gets a new mozAudio context when turning the audio on/off or mono/stereo
1489. # [23:20] <xonecas> Thats ok, I just swapped the machine that was running our home server with a mac, now we get good sound
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1491. # [23:20] <xonecas> is the code you have on github the same version that runs on grantgalitz.com?
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1493. # [23:22] <grantg> yes
1494. # [23:22] <grantg> and you mean grantgalitz.org
1495. # [23:22] <grantg> :P
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1497. # [23:22] <grantg> I just updated it again and fixed an HDMA bug. :P
1498. # [23:23] <xonecas> \o/
1499. # [23:23] <grantg> involved some gfx not updating due to register 0xFF55 not being set in a rare case where a STAT mode 0 transfer was ongoing.
1500. # [23:23] <grantg> accuracy fix in other words.
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1502. # [23:23] <xonecas> I feel guilty, me, my roomate, and our friends use your emulator all the time
1503. # [23:24] <xonecas> I'm gonna start a donation box for you here at the house
1504. # [23:24] <grantg> why do they use it all the time?
1505. # [23:24] <grantg> there's a desktop one called gambatte
1506. # [23:24] <xonecas> They come over to play mario<insert one of many title names here> all the time
1507. # [23:24] <grantg> It's THE MOST ACCURATE GBC emulator out there, above all the others
1508. # [23:24] <grantg> gambatte is crazy
1509. # [23:25] <grantg> if you look at its source code
1510. # [23:25] <xonecas> because with yours, they can logon to my home server, and play from home lol
1511. # [23:25] <grantg> true
1512. # [23:25] <xonecas> and on their phones
1513. # [23:25] <grantg> eh
1514. # [23:25] <grantg> slow on phones
1515. # [23:25] <xonecas> and eveytime we're hanguing out her
1516. # [23:25] <xonecas> e
1517. # [23:25] <grantg> and iphones get no keyboard
1518. # [23:25] <grantg> :P
1519. # [23:25] <xonecas> it goes pretty nice on my nexus one
1520. # [23:25] <grantg> working on the mobile version, just put it off for a bit
1521. # [23:25] <grantg> really?
1522. # [23:26] <xonecas> yeah, some touch controls would be nice
1523. # [23:26] <xonecas> yeah
1524. # [23:26] <xonecas> just make sure you have your virtual keypad on before loading the page, and the emulator will only take the upper half of the screen
1525. # [23:26] <zewt> heh i've wanted to try scummvm on a touchscreen
1526. # [23:26] <zewt> since i guess it's been ported to android
1527. # [23:26] <xonecas> android > iOS
1528. # [23:27] <xonecas> :-)
1529. # [23:27] <zewt> unfortunately 1: it's not very polished (eg. hard to actually target things, probably no way to see hotspots) and 2: i think i've already played every SCUMM game worth playing
1530. # [23:27] <zewt> also 3: my phone's a g1
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1532. # [23:28] <xonecas> zewt: time to hack android into it :-)
1533. # [23:28] <xonecas> it will feel like a new phone
1534. # [23:28] <BrianBlakely> FF4's CSS transitions make text fuzzy >_<
1535. # [23:28] <BrianBlakely> bit.ly/oswich
1536. # [23:28] <zewt> g1 was always android :)
1537. # [23:28] <grantg> heh
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1539. # [23:28] <zewt> nothing will make a g1 feel like a new phone (it didn't feel like a new phone when it was a new phone)
1540. # [23:29] <grantg> woah
1541. # [23:29] <xonecas> zewt: sorry, I read my iphone is a g1 (as in gen 1)
1542. # [23:29] <grantg> where did all the requests to http://www.grantgalitz.org/WarioLand3/ just come from?
1543. # [23:29] <grantg> server log mania
1544. # [23:29] <xonecas> yeah, my G1 colects dust mostly nowadays
1545. # [23:29] <xonecas> grantg: I didn;t tweet about I swear !
1546. # [23:29] <zewt> i just don't need a better phone enough to spend $400-600 on one
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1548. # [23:30] <grantg> xonecas: I don't see any tweets
1549. # [23:30] <grantg> unless it's one person hitting refresh every 2 seconds
1550. # [23:30] <grantg> <_<
1551. # [23:31] <xonecas> ahah you maybe?
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1553. # [23:31] <grantg> nah
1554. # [23:32] <xonecas> oh no... I'm working on this project for a friend, the designer just sent me the graphics: 3 psd files, and he called them (wait for it) web ready.
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1556. # [23:33] <grantg> lol
1557. # [23:33] <xonecas> wtf do I do now, I don't like cutting images
1558. # [23:33] <grantg> "just cut 'em up and make it ie6 friendly"
1559. # [23:33] <grantg> </troll>
1560. # [23:33] <zewt> heh
1561. # [23:33] <zewt> i've done endless psd-cutting, but usually not for HTML
1562. # [23:34] <grantg> then you realize IE6 logic throws the images halfway across the screen. <_<
1563. # [23:34] <zewt> it's actually entertaining ... when you're putting them into an engine that matches how the graphics are authored, and the graphics are authored properly
1564. # [23:34] <zewt> psd to HTML--generally not so much
1565. # [23:34] <grantg> heh
1566. # [23:34] <BrianBlakely> JOORAY!
1567. # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> I've convinced the execs we should do all our mobile apps in HTML5+PhoneGap
1568. # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> Happy days
1569. # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> It only took … a year?
1570. # [23:35] <grantg> BrianBlakely: No more 20% web dev, 80% IE6 back-compat
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1572. # [23:37] <xonecas> humpf... Where is that photoshop cd... :'(
1573. # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> grantg: Damn straight. I've been doing mobile apps with HTML5 for personal gain since mid-2009, it's nice to cross the streams...
1574. # [23:39] <grantg> heh
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1577. # [23:41] <grantg> xonecas: Does niftylettuce still need help?
1578. # [23:49] <xonecas> dunno, I would asume so
1579. # [23:49] <grantg> hmm
1580. # [23:50] <grantg> heh
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1582. # [23:50] <grantg> three.js just passed 1500 watchers
1583. # [23:51] <grantg> https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js
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1585. # [23:52] <grantg> bbl
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