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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 24 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <paul_irish> "html5 history" aka pushState
  4. # [00:00] <gavacho> i think i remember someone recommending a "enable js you idiot" snippet in here
  5. # [00:01] <gavacho> ring any bells?
  6. # [00:01] <bencc> paul_irish: thanks. looking
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  10. # [00:02] <paul_irish> ?g enable-javascript.com
  11. # [00:02] <bot-t> paul_irish, How to enable JavaScript in your browser and why - http://www.enable-javascript.com/
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  13. # [00:03] <gavacho> thank you kindly sir
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  19. # [00:10] <uf0> uf0 in the buildin!
  20. # [00:10] <uf0> you better recognizeee
  21. # [00:10] <uf0> border-radiusssess what yall at
  22. # [00:11] <uf0> firefox4 take over
  23. # [00:11] <uf0> html5 and css3 = fun!
  24. # [00:11] <uf0> i just need me some nesting
  25. # [00:11] <uf0> in css and then i'll go crzy
  26. # [00:11] <uf0> and variables
  27. # [00:12] <uf0> yea that'll do
  28. # [00:12] <uf0> the future is SASS in the CSS spec!
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  32. # [00:25] <svenlito_> paul_irish
  33. # [00:25] <svenlito_> thought I might drop this here https://github.com/svnlto/stacey
  34. # [00:25] <svenlito_> its a fork of stacey incl. the boilerplate etc
  35. # [00:26] <dgathright> Currently in some HTML5 training. We're discussing why if there are HEADER and FOOTER elements, why is there no SECTION element specific to the body of that module. Anyone have an idea?
  36. # [00:26] <paul_irish> svenlito_: hot. can you add it to the h5bp github wiki page?
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  38. # [00:27] <svenlito_> paul_irish: yip
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  53. # [00:51] <paul_irish> https://github.com/blog/821-mention-somebody-they-re-notified
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  56. # [01:00] <xonecas> @mentions are the new email!
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  66. # [01:16] <hober> dgathright: because the semantic for that is already captured in the markup: the container's content that aren't in its <header> or <footer>
  67. # [01:17] <hober> dgathright: if you really need a container for that, <div> is the right element to use
  68. # [01:17] <hober> dgathright: (since <section> would affect the document outline)
  69. # [01:18] <hober> dgathright: If you'd like I can try to dig up the appropriate mailing list threads in which this got discussed. It's come up several times.
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  73. # [01:26] <kennyluck> Is this channel properly logged? If not, why not?
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  97. # [01:59] <dgathright> hober: That makes sense. If you can easily find it, sure, otherwise, don't worry about it. Thanks
  98. # [02:02] <tw2113> that merging of branches took longer than i would have preferred
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  103. # [02:16] <paul_irish> kennyluck: its logged by krijn on the same service that logs #whatwg
  104. # [02:18] <kennyluck> paul_irish, ah, thank you. Didn't see it from the title of this channel and failed to make the effort to do a bit of googling.
  105. # [02:19] <paul_irish> np. i dont own the channel so i can't update the topic to point to it
  106. # [02:19] <paul_irish> unfortch.
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  112. # [02:29] <tw2113> should I be familiar with REST at all?
  113. # [02:30] <tw2113> or is that kind of a specialization?
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  118. # [02:48] <chrislorenz> paul_irish: For that webgl "world" demo you showed at the SXSW google event. Is that public somewhere or something that is cooking privately?
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  120. # [02:49] <paul_irish> http://studio.html5rocks.com/samples/globe/index.html
  121. # [02:49] <paul_irish> that one?
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  124. # [02:50] <chrislorenz> The one where it rendered the earth and showed a flaring type effect. Sorry I forgot what it was called
  125. # [02:54] <themiddleman> paulrouget: you use ubuntu 64 bit + ati + fglrx + ff4 and you have webgl working right?
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  128. # [03:06] <shichuan> paul_irish: hey man, i sent to u and divya a mail earlier talking abt the progress of mobile bp, are you cool w the points?
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  130. # [03:07] <paul_irish> shichuan: yes.
  131. # [03:07] <paul_irish> sounds great to me
  132. # [03:07] <shichuan> ok, cool :)
  133. # [03:07] <paul_irish> lemme look at helper.js right now
  134. # [03:08] <shichuan> yea, that's the only thing i wanna sort out right now
  135. # [03:08] <paul_irish> shichuan: you shouldnt need the .gitignore in mylibs
  136. # [03:08] <shichuan> arh, ok, will remove that
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  138. # [03:09] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: hey bro can i include you as part of my presentation?
  139. # [03:09] <paul_irish> like my face
  140. # [03:09] <paul_irish> ".... and this is paul irish. "
  141. # [03:09] <niftylettuce> :_)
  142. # [03:09] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: umm maybe that quote you gave me in the past
  143. # [03:09] <paul_irish> sounds good
  144. # [03:09] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: and that you give us pointers and stuff
  145. # [03:09] <chrislorenz> haha
  146. # [03:09] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I present tomorrow... ughhhhh
  147. # [03:10] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: so nervous.. so surreal
  148. # [03:14] <paul_irish> how many times have you practiced
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  150. # [03:14] <paul_irish> hopefully like a dozen.
  151. # [03:14] <paul_irish> also in front of people
  152. # [03:14] <paul_irish> is better than practicing 10 times by yourself
  153. # [03:17] <paul_irish> shichuan: you have docs for whats goin on in helper.js ?
  154. # [03:18] <paul_irish> i guess most of it is http://code.google.com/mobile/articles/fast_buttons.html
  155. # [03:19] <shichuan> yea, it's taken from google articles
  156. # [03:19] <shichuan> paul_irish: and for the autogrow, it's taken from http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/07/gmail-for-mobile-html5-series.html
  157. # [03:20] <shichuan> i am thinking changing the autogrow to a generic helper instead of a jquery one
  158. # [03:21] <shichuan> think this file is a bit messy with both jquery and non-jquery stuff inside, what u think?
  159. # [03:22] <paul_irish> yeah i think it'd be nice to de-jquery this autogrow
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  161. # [03:23] <paul_irish> also i'm thinking these methods should be namespaced behind : new MBP.fastButton(elem)
  162. # [03:23] <paul_irish> etc
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  164. # [03:24] <lavrikanec> hello
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  166. # [03:24] <shichuan> arh, ok
  167. # [03:25] <lavrikanec> simpliest canvas code doesn't work in chrome http://pastebin.com/Guu4JBrs
  168. # [03:25] <lavrikanec> i suspect im doin smth wrong
  169. # [03:25] <paul_irish> lavrikanec: its probably a cross-origin issue
  170. # [03:25] <paul_irish> also you should use jsfiddle.net
  171. # [03:25] <lavrikanec> it doesn't work on webkits
  172. # [03:26] <lavrikanec> what do you mean by saying "cross-origin"?
  173. # [03:26] <lavrikanec> im not well with english (
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  176. # [03:26] <paul_irish> you can't put an image from one domain on a canvas created by another
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  178. # [03:26] <paul_irish> and i bet you're running the page as file://
  179. # [03:26] <lavrikanec> yeah i know
  180. # [03:26] <lavrikanec> nope
  181. # [03:26] <lavrikanec> i ve already excluded that
  182. # [03:26] <paul_irish> welllllllllll
  183. # [03:26] <paul_irish> you should just put this page online
  184. # [03:27] <paul_irish> so we can look at it forreal
  185. # [03:27] <lavrikanec> ooook
  186. # [03:27] <lavrikanec> bu wait
  187. # [03:27] <lavrikanec> i cant paste it on jsfiddle
  188. # [03:27] <lavrikanec> it won't be "cross-origin", will it? )
  189. # [03:28] <paul_irish> <img id=s src="http://jsfiddle.net/img/logo.png">
  190. # [03:28] <paul_irish> tada
  191. # [03:29] <lavrikanec> so cool
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  193. # [03:31] <paul_irish> shichuan: yeah i got some ideas with this javascript. let me know when you've got a revision and i'll try my hand as well
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  195. # [03:33] <lavrikanec> u seem to be a guy who keeps mysterious secrets of that canvas stuff
  196. # [03:33] <lavrikanec> damn
  197. # [03:33] <lavrikanec> it works on jsfiddle
  198. # [03:33] <lavrikanec> im running it under apache
  199. # [03:34] <shichuan> paul_irish: i will only be touching it at night (sg time), so it's gonna be at least 10 hours from now. if you wanna add any totally new functions, can add first. and i am cool with the MBP namespace, i can tweak that later
  200. # [03:34] <lavrikanec> :(
  201. # [03:35] <paul_irish> lavrikanec: you could put it online on your host
  202. # [03:35] <paul_irish> or something
  203. # [03:35] <paul_irish> shichuan: okay. i'm not adding
  204. # [03:35] <paul_irish> was just gonna remove some of the functions and inline some stuff
  205. # [03:35] <lavrikanec> ow yeah
  206. # [03:36] <lavrikanec> im not usually such dumb u know
  207. # [03:36] <shichuan> paul_irish: ok, i will ping you once it's changed
  208. # [03:36] <paul_irish> k
  209. # [03:39] <lavrikanec> http://iknowyouwantme.ru/svfu/
  210. # [03:39] <lavrikanec> bottom lines in logic.js
  211. # [03:40] <lavrikanec> errr wait
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  214. # [03:44] <xonecas> paul_irish: the font on the boilerplate site, is it MOLOT?
  215. # [03:45] <paul_irish> ues
  216. # [03:45] <paul_irish> yes
  217. # [03:45] <xonecas> :-/
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  219. # [03:45] <tw2113> MOLOT = Made of Love or Tequila?
  220. # [03:46] <xonecas> By the looks of the font I would say its more along the lines of: MOLOTov
  221. # [03:46] <tw2113> crap, mis-read the "font" part
  222. # [03:47] <xonecas> Man I need a bulky font, thats *very* uncommon
  223. # [03:47] <lavrikanec> ok
  224. # [03:47] <lavrikanec> now it tell me something i dont understand
  225. # [03:47] <lavrikanec> something in drawImage method
  226. # [03:48] <lavrikanec> NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE and it refers to the line where drawImage is called
  227. # [03:48] <lavrikanec> i really lame at canvas, wtf is this? (
  228. # [03:48] <paul_irish> maybe the image hasnt finished loading
  229. # [03:48] <paul_irish> and you should trigger off the load event of the image
  230. # [03:49] <xonecas> lavrikanec: make sure you are drawing within the bounds of the canvas, also make sure you're images are preloaded with js before you call them into canvas
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  232. # [03:49] <lavrikanec> nice one
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  234. # [03:50] <xonecas> I get that error alot when I mess up the math and try to draw outside of the canvas
  235. # [03:50] <lavrikanec> i think webkit doesnt show because they arent loaded yet
  236. # [03:51] <paul_irish> v8 is too fastttttt
  237. # [03:57] <nimbupani> xonecas: yes it is!
  238. # [03:58] <nimbupani> molotis like the free font on google fonts
  239. # [03:58] <nimbupani> sorry i think it was on font squirrell
  240. # [03:58] <nimbupani> but it was the only slab font
  241. # [03:59] <lavrikanec> one more stupid question
  242. # [03:59] <lavrikanec> how can i pass jquery objects in canvas methods?
  243. # [04:01] <paul_irish> you cannot
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  245. # [04:04] <lavrikanec> bingo-bongo
  246. # [04:04] <lavrikanec> really, webkit wait for the image to be fully loaded
  247. # [04:04] <xonecas> nimbupani: paul_irish http://xonecas.com/ DistantGalaxy > MOLOT
  248. # [04:04] <lavrikanec> when i added preload it is all fixed
  249. # [04:05] <xonecas> :-)
  250. # [04:05] <paul_irish> hottt
  251. # [04:07] <nimbupani> aww bauce xonecas
  252. # [04:08] <nimbupani> i mean nice*
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  254. # [04:08] <xonecas> now I need a alternate background tile, and setup so that it changes randomly every page request
  255. # [04:08] <xonecas> (yeah, i'm bored)
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  257. # [04:18] <lavrikanec> how can i pass the link on the element which was selected by jquery to the canvas?
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  261. # [04:29] <xonecas> http://www.tartanmaker.com <-- awesome :-)
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  267. # [04:59] <lavrikanec> paul_irish
  268. # [05:00] <lavrikanec> how can i pass the link on the element which was selected by jquery to the canvas?
  269. # [05:00] <lavrikanec> i almost broken
  270. # [05:00] <lavrikanec> i have a couple of canvas
  271. # [05:00] <lavrikanec> and i cant figure out how to link them to images
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  281. # [05:31] <uf0> http://www.dolphinlandings.com/index_current.htm
  282. # [05:31] <uf0> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
  283. # [05:31] <uf0> ahhh memories memories
  284. # [05:34] <xonecas> paul_irish: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate-server-configs/pull/17
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  304. # [06:33] <xonecas> bot-t ? tell paul_irish https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate-server-configs/pull/17
  305. # [06:33] <xonecas> hum ... that didn;t work
  306. # [06:35] <uf0> it's bot-t:
  307. # [06:35] <xonecas> bot-t: tell paul_irish https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate-server-configs/pull/17
  308. # [06:35] <bot-t> xonecas, Okay.
  309. # [06:35] <uf0> it's bot-t: tell foo
  310. # [06:35] <xonecas> uf0: thanks :-)
  311. # [06:35] <uf0> k
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  425. # [11:32] <beeevi7> any recommendations what tool to use to record coding screencasts in a good quality? free tools prefered ;)
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  429. # [11:57] <simenbrekken> beeevi7: if you're on OSX you can use Quicktime screen recording
  430. # [11:58] <beeevi7> ah, i forgot to mention: windows! ;)
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  468. # [13:35] <fbu> hi
  469. # [13:36] <fbu> everybody here?
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  480. # [14:13] <bencc> is there something else similar to webkitnotifications?
  481. # [14:13] <bencc> maybe html5 support changing the browser icon or something?
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  500. # [15:01] <salazr> is it at all possible to capture audio on iOS from the browser?
  501. # [15:02] <salazr> pretty sure it's not.. but just asking..
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  510. # [15:22] <jetienne> salazr: never heard of it
  511. # [15:22] <jetienne> and i think i would have :)
  512. # [15:23] <salazr> thought so... we were really hoping this project would end up as a web app, but alas the client really wants this
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  515. # [15:29] <jetienne> chrome just got <input> speech tho...
  516. # [15:29] <jetienne> salazr: related but far from ios
  517. # [15:29] <salazr> it's iOS/Android, but yeah
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  527. # [15:44] <Zelest> I wish to build a Zelda-like multiplayer game with a leveling system and such like most MMORPG's have.. I've done some Googling for examples and such on how to use Canvas, but is this really possible to do with HTML5 and Canvas?
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  530. # [15:49] <diamonds> Zelest: yes it's possible
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  534. # [15:50] <Zelest> Well, it's possible alright.. I more meant, is it a decent platform to run on? Or will it be really slow/sluggish?
  535. # [15:50] <Zelest> (sure, it depends on how I write it of course)
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  537. # [15:51] <diamonds> no idea :)
  538. # [15:52] <diamonds> but I think it's doable just because I've seen crazier stuff with canvas (crazier than zelda). I assume you mean old school zelda
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  543. # [16:04] <Zelest> hehe yeah :)
  544. # [16:05] <Zelest> I basically have no game development experience, but I think it would be cool to have a bigger nice web-based game that's multiplayer :D
  545. # [16:07] <diamonds> go for it!
  546. # [16:08] <BrianBlakely> Zelest: I think grantg will be all-too-eager inform you that advanced gaming on Canvas is very possible
  547. # [16:08] <diamonds> what's the websockets sperm site?
  548. # [16:08] <BrianBlakely> Zelest: Shit, you could make Ocarina of Time, if you are just targeting Chrome and Firefox
  549. # [16:08] <diamonds> is it still up?
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  552. # [16:09] <BrianBlakely> diamonds: http://www.tadpoli.com/
  553. # [16:10] <diamonds> no one there :(
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  556. # [16:12] <diamonds> anyway Zelest take a look there
  557. # [16:12] <diamonds> imagine there are many more people :)
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  559. # [16:13] <lonimurar> I'm using xhtml 1.1 as my doctype atm, what would the disadvantages be if I'd just swap it for html5? (without adding any new html5 elements per se) - no IE6 support I guess?
  560. # [16:13] <Zelest> BrianBlakely, oh..
  561. # [16:13] <miketaylr> it makes no difference, lonimurar
  562. # [16:13] <Zelest> BrianBlakely, hehe, I gladly target those two for now..
  563. # [16:13] <digitalfiz> BrianBlakely, is that yours?
  564. # [16:13] <miketaylr> lonimurar: will still render in standards mode
  565. # [16:13] <Zelest> BrianBlakely, I mean, if people are used to download tons of data to play game, I'm pretty sure they're allowed to install a browser for it :)
  566. # [16:13] <lonimurar> oh cool :) guess I should just try it...
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  572. # [16:17] <BrianBlakely> Zelest: You can also prompt IE users to install Google Chrome Frame
  573. # [16:17] <BrianBlakely> Zelest: Which won't require admin priv to install… soon?
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  576. # [16:18] <Zelest> Oh, nice
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  578. # [16:19] <Zelest> Besides, to avoid developing because of the lack for support is fairly dumb.. it's not like it will adopt faster :P
  579. # [16:19] <Zelest> Better to target a few browsers, make it good.. and hope the rest of the browsers catch up
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  589. # [16:38] <shichuan> paul_irish: yo, namespace MBP was added for helper.js, and jquery functions are also converted. https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/commit/d6981788981ab0d019b8a868ce415ae7e38be654
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  595. # [16:53] <mahen23> anyone seen the website of paul irish
  596. # [16:53] <mahen23> you can draw on the background
  597. # [16:53] <mahen23> i want that on my website too
  598. # [16:53] <mahen23> how do i proceed?
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  601. # [16:57] <mahen23> found it suckers: http://paulirish.com/2010/my-harmonious-background-canvas/
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  604. # [17:00] <tw2113> you could have asked him yourself in here
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  606. # [17:04] <paul_irish> suckers
  607. # [17:06] <tw2113> can we start "The Cult of Irish" yet?
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  611. # [17:10] <paul_irish> noooooo
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  632. # [17:43] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: North or South Irish??
  633. # [17:44] <tw2113> North Paul Irish or South Paul Irish?
  634. # [17:44] <BrianBlakely> That's objectification :|
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  638. # [17:47] <Dorward> BrianBlakely: No, that's geolocation
  639. # [17:48] <tw2113> *badun tssh*
  640. # [17:49] <shichuan> i tot Saint Patrick's Day was last week?
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  643. # [17:51] <BrianBlakely> Dorward: Thanks for bringing it back around, I was having trouble :P
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  656. # [18:08] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: howdy
  657. # [18:08] <xonecas> Nice to meet you!
  658. # [18:08] <antonkovalyov> hey man
  659. # [18:08] <antonkovalyov> same
  660. # [18:08] <antonkovalyov> when did you leave?
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  663. # [18:11] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: I had to go pretty early, like 11ish
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  665. # [18:11] <xonecas> next time i'll stay longer, this time I had promised a friend I would have a beer with him while in san fran
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  667. # [18:12] <antonkovalyov> xonecas, i see, no worries. :-)
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  669. # [18:14] <nimbupani> Yo hipster antonkovalyov!
  670. # [18:14] <antonkovalyov> hippie nimbupani :)
  671. # [18:14] <nimbupani> yeah we all gotta move up the scales
  672. # [18:15] <nimbupani> i wonder whats after hippie? Homeless?
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  676. # [18:15] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, hahaha
  677. # [18:15] <antonkovalyov> its all steve jobs in the end
  678. # [18:16] <nimbupani> hahaha he is the ultimate fake hipster
  679. # [18:16] <nimbupani> like the original fake hipster.
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  681. # [18:16] <nimbupani> none can even come close. EVER.
  682. # [18:16] <antonkovalyov> why fake, he used to live in a commune in oregon
  683. # [18:16] <antonkovalyov> fucking commune. that is as hippie as you can go
  684. # [18:17] <nimbupani> used to being the key word.
  685. # [18:17] <nimbupani> or phrase even.
  686. # [18:17] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://forrst.com/posts/boil_Quick_access_to_HTML5_Boilerplate-Oy8
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  689. # [18:18] <antonkovalyov> hey paul_irish, what was that hipster hotel name in portland?
  690. # [18:18] <nimbupani> oh sounds good.
  691. # [18:18] <nimbupani> ACE hotel
  692. # [18:18] <nimbupani> ASK ME
  693. # [18:18] <paul_irish> ace hotel
  694. # [18:18] <paul_irish> you should ask nimbu
  695. # [18:18] <antonkovalyov> haha, fucking hipsters
  696. # [18:18] <paul_irish> apparently she is the predefined resource for all things both portland and hipster
  697. # [18:18] <paul_irish> I APOLOGIZE NIMBU
  698. # [18:19] <nimbupani> i only know about portland from portlandia
  699. # [18:19] <nimbupani> i think thats authentic enough.
  700. # [18:19] <antonkovalyov> oh god
  701. # [18:19] <antonkovalyov> http://www.acehotel.com/portland
  702. # [18:19] <antonkovalyov> is that it?
  703. # [18:19] * paul_irish np: The Paradise - In Love With You
  704. # [18:19] <paul_irish> ask her.
  705. # [18:19] <nimbupani> YES
  706. # [18:19] <nimbupani> thats it.
  707. # [18:19] <nimbupani> its obvious no?
  708. # [18:19] <antonkovalyov> so hipster
  709. # [18:19] <antonkovalyov> hopefully i can reserve online
  710. # [18:20] <nimbupani> hahahaha
  711. # [18:20] <antonkovalyov> no need to phone or send them paper mail
  712. # [18:20] <nimbupani> yeah they are fake enough for that.
  713. # [18:21] <xonecas> lol
  714. # [18:21] <antonkovalyov> "num of children", "num of dogs"
  715. # [18:21] <antonkovalyov> dear god
  716. # [18:21] <xonecas> you guys are all waaaaaaay too hip for me
  717. # [18:21] <BrianBlakely> Do they accept reservations from guests over the age of 21?
  718. # [18:21] <nimbupani> not hip
  719. # [18:21] <paul_irish> they ask you your favorite movie
  720. # [18:21] <nimbupani> well hipsters come in all ages and sizes BrianBlakely
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  723. # [18:22] <antonkovalyov> $600!
  724. # [18:22] <paul_irish> and then they give you a VHS that's so way better and you probably havent heard of
  725. # [18:23] <antonkovalyov> "room includes ... custom artwork from local and international artist"
  726. # [18:23] <xonecas> ahahah
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  728. # [18:23] <antonkovalyov> when are you leaving paul_irish, nimbupani?
  729. # [18:23] <xonecas> now I know why its 600 bucks
  730. # [18:23] <antonkovalyov> i am thinking may 1-5
  731. # [18:23] <paul_irish> i'm sunday to wed morning
  732. # [18:23] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: sunday to wed yeah
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  734. # [18:24] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, are you leaving on wednesday? i though you guys are doing nodeconf
  735. # [18:24] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, ^
  736. # [18:24] <paul_irish> im not
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  738. # [18:24] <paul_irish> shes not either
  739. # [18:24] <nimbupani> no i am not
  740. # [18:24] <nimbupani> i am like not even doing JsConf
  741. # [18:25] <xonecas> nimbupani: is to cool for confs, she's just going for the hangout
  742. # [18:26] <nimbupani> hahahaha
  743. # [18:26] <nimbupani> well i *could* say that, tix got sold out before I could even decide :/
  744. # [18:26] <antonkovalyov> they accept amex, good
  745. # [18:27] <antonkovalyov> i thought they will require cash in the mail or something
  746. # [18:27] <nimbupani> ha paul_irish that boil thing does seem overengineered.
  747. # [18:27] <nimbupani> no no antonkovalyov thats what hippies do.
  748. # [18:27] <nimbupani> hipsters just do the bare minimum to stay grounded.
  749. # [18:27] <xonecas> nimbupani: same here, got no tix, I'm just going to wait for the videos
  750. # [18:28] <chipnt> where can i get a list of what browsers are curently supporting html5 ?
  751. # [18:28] <nimbupani> caniuse.com chipnt
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  753. # [18:28] <antonkovalyov> HAHAHA http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/q9iw1m9d0hd2.png
  754. # [18:28] <antonkovalyov> that is on the checkout page
  755. # [18:28] <paul_irish> i told you about that like forever ago
  756. # [18:28] <nimbupani> ya that what paul_irish mentioned i suppose!
  757. # [18:29] <paul_irish> that used to be my favorite part of the checkout process but i'm over it now
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  759. # [18:29] <antonkovalyov> sorry, paul_irish, missed it
  760. # [18:29] <chipnt> thanks
  761. # [18:29] <nimbupani> everyone wants to be hipster these days.
  762. # [18:29] <nimbupani> so over it.
  763. # [18:29] <antonkovalyov> they need like "xoxo" after the checkout
  764. # [18:29] <paul_irish> so over it.
  765. # [18:30] <paul_irish> anton used xoxo in his presentation the other day
  766. # [18:30] <nimbupani> awwwww
  767. # [18:30] <paul_irish> it was magic
  768. # [18:31] <antonkovalyov> davidcramer-home, i got
  769. # [18:31] <antonkovalyov> oops
  770. # [18:32] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/j4rkj0ffymi5.png <- CONFIRMED
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  772. # [18:32] <antonkovalyov> super hipster hotel
  773. # [18:32] <nimbupani> :)))
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  775. # [18:33] <paul_irish> BAM
  776. # [18:33] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i fully expect it to be like a hotel from a portlandia episode
  777. # [18:34] <xonecas> \o/
  778. # [18:34] <nimbupani> i bet it will be.
  779. # [18:34] <nimbupani> you have nothing to worry about antonkovalyov
  780. # [18:34] <antonkovalyov> with all those jsconf themed parties, i feel like i am going on a fucking disney land trip
  781. # [18:35] <nimbupani> HAHAHAHHAHA
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  783. # [18:38] <antonkovalyov> okay, time to MAKE MY OWN COFFEE, nimbupani
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  785. # [18:38] <shichuan> i mean isn't web dev considered a subculture? i mean compare to other more 'close sourced' industries
  786. # [18:39] <antonkovalyov> shichuan, like steel industry? maybe
  787. # [18:39] <shichuan> so maybe there is some connection between hipster culture and web community?
  788. # [18:39] <nimbupani> OKAY OKAY antonkovalyov you WIN
  789. # [18:39] <xonecas> http://cars.failblog.org/2011/03/23/funny-car-photos-who-needs-wheels-when-you-have-this-guy-around/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TWBO+%28That+Will+Buff+Out%29 awesome
  790. # [18:39] <antonkovalyov> shichuan, nah it is just jsconf and nimbupani with paul_irish
  791. # [18:39] <nimbupani> just for today. coz I make my own coffee too
  792. # [18:40] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, ah shit :-)
  793. # [18:40] <shichuan> lol, ok
  794. # [18:40] <tw2113> antonkovalyov nimbupani any of you been to starbucks lately? :P
  795. # [18:40] <nimbupani> NO
  796. # [18:40] <nimbupani> but antonkovalyov ♥ s starbucks
  797. # [18:40] <tw2113> like a long lost child?
  798. # [18:41] <xonecas> I like house of bagels better
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  801. # [18:42] <xonecas> at least their food doesn't scream bolimic chick
  802. # [18:42] <tw2113> ooh bagel *drool*
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  804. # [18:42] * xonecas puts a little bit more of cream cheese on his asiago cheese bagel, result? cheese bagel!
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  806. # [18:43] <xonecas> robhawkes: congrats :-)
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  809. # [18:46] <antonkovalyov> i <3 starbucks
  810. # [18:46] <antonkovalyov> and i hate peets
  811. # [18:46] <Jon47> what!?
  812. # [18:47] * tw2113 has Dunn Bros costa rica coffee
  813. # [18:47] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: You;re skinny, you fit the starbucks profile :-P
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  816. # [18:47] <antonkovalyov> haha
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  818. # [18:47] <antonkovalyov> basically, xonecas just called everybody else FAT
  819. # [18:48] <tw2113> i'm big boned, not fat
  820. # [18:48] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: thinking of opposite extremes is the path to the dark side
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  822. # [18:49] <xonecas> you're skinny, most people are average, then come the fatties
  823. # [18:49] <antonkovalyov> dark side? dude, i was on the dark side before it went mainstream
  824. # [18:49] <shichuan> is subway a healthy choice of food?
  825. # [18:49] <xonecas> shichuan: it depends, are you ordering the meatball marinara or a blt?
  826. # [18:49] <tw2113> it has bread, so carbs, so no
  827. # [18:50] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: now I see the darth vader in you
  828. # [18:50] <tw2113> antonkovalyov is the guy who came up with the idea of serving koolaid to persuade to the dark side
  829. # [18:50] <shichuan> i always order the healthier choice
  830. # [18:50] <shichuan> like chicken breast
  831. # [18:50] <tw2113> i tend to always get chicken n bacon ranch
  832. # [18:50] <xonecas> then I think so, I eat subs alot, most of the time home made, but I go to subway when I'm lazy
  833. # [18:51] <xonecas> I used to be like 260lbs after I stopped playing rugby
  834. # [18:51] <xonecas> so now I'm more carefull
  835. # [18:51] <robhawkes> xonecas: Thanks! :D
  836. # [18:51] <BrianBlakely> Why is everyone meeting up in Portland? Come to NYC, we invented the hipster hotel in, like, the 1920s
  837. # [18:52] <nimbupani> actully antonkovalyov does look a bit anakin-ish
  838. # [18:52] <BrianBlakely> I want xonecas to tell me that it was nice to meet me :/
  839. # [18:52] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: Did I meet you?
  840. # [18:52] <BrianBlakely> No, because you weren't in NYC… were you?
  841. # [18:52] <xonecas> No :-(
  842. # [18:52] <xonecas> never been
  843. # [18:53] <antonkovalyov> i love NYC
  844. # [18:53] <BrianBlakely> Well that's your first mistake :)
  845. # [18:53] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: just land up in SF then everyone would say that to you.
  846. # [18:53] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, hahaha
  847. # [18:53] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: come over to the next meetup
  848. # [18:53] <xonecas> nimbupani: if anton is anakin, does that mean that paul is obi? oh-o
  849. # [18:54] <nimbupani> naw paul_irish is just han solo
  850. # [18:54] <BrianBlakely> xonecas: Meetup of what?
  851. # [18:54] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Douglas Crockford is Obi-Wan
  852. # [18:54] <nimbupani> makes sense actually BrianBlakely
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  854. # [18:54] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov even rebelled
  855. # [18:54] <BrianBlakely> (it's the beard)
  856. # [18:54] <nimbupani> against crok.
  857. # [18:54] <BrianBlakely> Oh shi
  858. # [18:54] <antonkovalyov> oh god
  859. # [18:55] <antonkovalyov> who is the emperor then
  860. # [18:55] <nimbupani> brendan eich?
  861. # [18:55] <nimbupani> pardon misspellings
  862. # [18:55] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-JavaScript-Pub-Night/ cortesy of anton over there
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  864. # [18:56] <xonecas> paulrouget: is the ev0l emperor trying to take over the work with his deathstart (fx4) :-P
  865. # [18:56] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, wanna be darth andeddu :D http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Andeddu
  866. # [18:57] <nimbupani> hahahahaha
  867. # [18:57] <nimbupani> no wai
  868. # [18:57] <BrianBlakely> xonecas: I'll join the group. I can probably only go to, like, one… it's probably more expensive for me than most
  869. # [18:57] <nimbupani> paul_irish is too adorbs for such evil activities
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  871. # [18:58] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani do you live in Norway or USA or what?
  872. # [18:58] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, hipster-town
  873. # [18:58] <BrianBlakely> Ah, Prague
  874. # [18:58] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: hahaha yes USA
  875. # [18:58] <xonecas> but paulrouget is tall enough for a sith lord
  876. # [18:58] <nimbupani> Seattle more like.
  877. # [18:58] <BrianBlakely> oooh
  878. # [18:58] <BrianBlakely> Actually, miketaylr lives in hipster town :)
  879. # [18:58] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: if I can help reduce the costs with a place to stay let me know
  880. # [18:59] <xonecas> We got a spare bedroom here at the house
  881. # [18:59] <nimbupani> yeah he does.
  882. # [18:59] <BrianBlakely> xonecas: That's a very generous offer, thanks!
  883. # [18:59] <xonecas> you're welcome, bring your drinking cap tough
  884. # [18:59] <BrianBlakely> Also, the Emperor would have to work at Microsoft
  885. # [18:59] <xonecas> and you got to like dogs (both me and my roomate have a dog each)
  886. # [18:59] <BrianBlakely> On the IE team
  887. # [18:59] <xonecas> ahahah
  888. # [19:00] <miketaylr> BrianBlakely: i lived here before it was cool, just sayin'
  889. # [19:00] <BrianBlakely> xonecas: As long as they don't puke on my kicks, it's all good :D
  890. # [19:00] <BrianBlakely> miketaylr: It was never not cool
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  892. # [19:00] <miketaylr> hehe
  893. # [19:00] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: they don't, they're more into lovin!
  894. # [19:00] <nimbupani> hmm who works at Microsoft and fits the emperor role?
  895. # [19:00] <nimbupani> cant think of anyone.
  896. # [19:01] <nimbupani> O WAIT i do.
  897. # [19:01] <nimbupani> but i wont say it.
  898. # [19:01] <diamonds> http://pastie.org/1709098 << can anyone tell my why update() isn't firing?
  899. # [19:01] <tw2113> ut oh, it's miketaylr
  900. # [19:01] <antonkovalyov> i didn't know that dark female lords were hot http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Zannah
  901. # [19:01] <diamonds> <audio onTimeUpdate="update();" ...
  902. # [19:01] <miketaylr> >_>
  903. # [19:02] <paulrouget> xonecas: ?
  904. # [19:02] <antonkovalyov> if we're speaking about webdev the emperor has to work at facebook
  905. # [19:02] <tw2113> hide yo source!
  906. # [19:02] <tw2113> no wait, that's bad
  907. # [19:02] <nimbupani> nono i got a perfect match for htis guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palpatine1.jpg
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  909. # [19:03] <paul_irish> whats up darth zannah
  910. # [19:03] <diamonds> nm
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  912. # [19:03] <paul_irish> shichuan: tabs or spaces?
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  914. # [19:04] <shichuan> paul_irish: i use tabs, is there a diff?
  915. # [19:04] <paul_irish> no but your JS has them mixed so i was asking about a preference
  916. # [19:05] <paul_irish> so i could harmonize
  917. # [19:05] <shichuan> i use tabs
  918. # [19:05] <paul_irish> kk
  919. # [19:05] <nimbupani> hahaha
  920. # [19:05] <nimbupani> TABS
  921. # [19:05] <shichuan> tab size = 2
  922. # [19:05] <nimbupani> we are app space luvs
  923. # [19:05] <nimbupani> soft tabs -> tab -> 2 spaces
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  925. # [19:06] <xonecas> paulrouget: I was just kidding
  926. # [19:06] <shichuan> let me google abt tabs vs spaces, i didnt really think much abt this
  927. # [19:07] <shichuan> sry, dunno the diff
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  929. # [19:08] <nimbupani> i meant paul_irish and I use spaces. no big deal though just need to be consistent I suppose.
  930. # [19:09] <xonecas> shichuan: spaces beat tabs anytime!
  931. # [19:09] <paul_irish> i think you're using 4 space tabs, actually
  932. # [19:09] <paul_irish> but
  933. # [19:09] <paul_irish> no big
  934. # [19:09] <xonecas> that way I can set my prefered indent size with a simple vim regex :-)
  935. # [19:10] <antonkovalyov> everybody should just use tabs with length 8
  936. # [19:10] <antonkovalyov> old school linux kernel style
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  939. # [19:11] <antonkovalyov> btw, people, did you know that linus is still the only one who has commit privileges for the kernel. there are a number of people from whom he accepts merges blindly but still holy fuck
  940. # [19:11] <tw2113> he also loathes svn
  941. # [19:11] <nimbupani> who knows/cares?
  942. # [19:11] <nimbupani> well git is WAYYY better than svn
  943. # [19:11] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i care
  944. # [19:11] <tw2113> linus started git too
  945. # [19:11] <antonkovalyov> i am a linus torvalds fan boy
  946. # [19:12] <xonecas> me too :-)
  947. # [19:12] <tw2113> RMS vs LBT ?
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  949. # [19:12] <nimbupani> kay kay.
  950. # [19:12] * nimbupani makes a note.
  951. # [19:13] <shichuan> ok, sry i am a bit stupid here, for instance, if i use tab with size 2 column, now if i want to switch to 2 spaces in nptepad++, does it mean i have to press space key twice?
  952. # [19:13] <shichuan> *notepad++
  953. # [19:14] <antonkovalyov> shichuan, no, most editors recognize a tab key and transform it into two spaces automatically
  954. # [19:14] <antonkovalyov> you just need to find some setting saying "always use soft tabs" or something like that
  955. # [19:14] <antonkovalyov> you should also switch to sublime 2
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  957. # [19:15] <miketaylr> danielfilho: ping
  958. # [19:15] <tw2113> so antonkovalyov what do you do your code in?
  959. # [19:15] <shichuan> antonkovalyov, cool, thanks
  960. # [19:16] <tw2113> text editor that is
  961. # [19:16] <nimbupani> emacs?
  962. # [19:17] <miketaylr> bot-t: tell danielfilho acho q venho a são paulo uns dias antes do brazil.js pra fazer umas entrevistas também!
  963. # [19:17] <bot-t> miketaylr, Okay.
  964. # [19:17] <miketaylr> CARRY ON EVERYONE
  965. # [19:17] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, sublime2 and vim
  966. # [19:18] <antonkovalyov> 99% of time in sublime2
  967. # [19:18] <antonkovalyov> 1% (mostly when i need text editor on server) — vim
  968. # [19:18] <tw2113> i tend to only touch vim when i need to or need to add myself to my computer's sudo list
  969. # [19:18] <antonkovalyov> and 0.5% — textmate, cause it is sometimes useful when i want to un-minify javascript code
  970. # [19:18] <BrianBlakely> diamonds: I dunno if you got this solved or not, but you placed a bunch of attributes into <body> which should be on the <audio>
  971. # [19:19] <diamonds> yes thank you!
  972. # [19:19] <tw2113> gedit is my primary editor these days, it was a tossup between textmate and that, depending on where i was
  973. # [19:19] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i used to be a big emacs fan; then got tired writing configs in LISP. great language but not for configs
  974. # [19:20] <nimbupani> oh :))))
  975. # [19:20] <nimbupani> i expected NO LESS antonkovalyov from a linus fanboi
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  977. # [19:21] <diamonds> I was going to mention it but people were so engrossed in a discussion of sith lords that I didn't think anyone was too concerned with my issue :p
  978. # [19:21] <antonkovalyov> haha
  979. # [19:22] <nimbupani> sry diamonds
  980. # [19:22] <diamonds> oh no problem!
  981. # [19:24] <paul_irish> nimbupani: https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/compare/d698178...b73c0f5
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  985. # [19:27] <nimbupani> o cool.
  986. # [19:27] <BrianBlakely> Firefox 4 just achieved 1% global marketshare
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  988. # [19:27] <paul_irish> boom
  989. # [19:27] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Does fastbutton just exchange click handlers for touch handlers?
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  991. # [19:27] <paul_irish> on mobile the click event takes about 300ms
  992. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> Right
  993. # [19:28] <paul_irish> so
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  995. # [19:28] <paul_irish> basically yeah
  996. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> I'm just asking if that's what fastbutton does
  997. # [19:28] <BrianBlakely> coo
  998. # [19:28] <shichuan> it detects touch start
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  1000. # [19:29] <nimbupani> paul_irish: shichuan i dont see the delete the favicons/touch icons if not necessary thingie
  1001. # [19:29] <nimbupani> on index.html
  1002. # [19:29] <nimbupani> coz we advocate that in h5bp.
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  1004. # [19:29] <paul_irish> well
  1005. # [19:29] <shichuan> Mathias has a post abt it
  1006. # [19:29] <paul_irish> mobile doesnt use a favicon
  1007. # [19:30] <nimbupani> ya ya i mean the apple touch icons.
  1008. # [19:30] <paul_irish> and android 2.something doesnt grab the touchicon unless its specified explicitly
  1009. # [19:30] <nimbupani> okay. so for mobile optims we keep this for android 2's sake.
  1010. # [19:30] <BrianBlakely> I always associate "MBP" with "MacBook Pro"...
  1011. # [19:30] <paul_irish> ya
  1012. # [19:30] <paul_irish> MoBP?
  1013. # [19:30] <BrianBlakely> boiler?
  1014. # [19:31] <paul_irish> window.mobilehtml5boilerplatenamespace ?
  1015. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> haha
  1016. # [19:31] <shichuan> lol
  1017. # [19:31] <shichuan> or boil? :)
  1018. # [19:31] <nimbupani> also could we not use conditional comments to include respond.js?
  1019. # [19:31] <nimbupani> like dd_png?
  1020. # [19:31] <paul_irish> hm
  1021. # [19:31] <BrianBlakely> Oh, mboi
  1022. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> I can always trust mboi
  1023. # [19:32] <nimbupani> i mean which mobile browser does not support it?
  1024. # [19:32] <nimbupani> only IE < 9 doesnt.
  1025. # [19:32] <nimbupani> http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-mediaqueries
  1026. # [19:32] <paul_irish> ?g quirksmode mobile media queries
  1027. # [19:32] <bot-t> paul_irish, Combining meta viewport and media queries - QuirksBlog - QuirksMode - http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2010/09/combining_meta.html
  1028. # [19:32] <paul_irish> no!
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  1031. # [19:34] <nimbupani> i will dig into github issues to see if there is any associated with it. :P
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  1033. # [19:34] <nimbupani> my main concern is we shouldnt be adding too many scripts for mobile pages.
  1034. # [19:34] <nimbupani> network requests suck
  1035. # [19:34] <paul_irish> http://www.quirksmode.org/mobile/#t14
  1036. # [19:35] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: This won't be delivered to the masses combined+minified?
  1037. # [19:35] <nimbupani> yeah but it will be delivered to ALL
  1038. # [19:35] <paul_irish> i guess its a good time to define browser support for MoBP
  1039. # [19:35] <nimbupani> so it seems to be only IE mobile paul_irish
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  1041. # [19:35] <paul_irish> old blackberry, netfront...
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  1043. # [19:36] <nimbupani> o yeah that too
  1044. # [19:36] <nimbupani> :|||
  1045. # [19:36] <nimbupani> wtf is UCWeb
  1046. # [19:36] <nimbupani> ?w UCWeb
  1047. # [19:36] <bot-t> nimbupani, UC Browser - UC Browser (also known as UCWEB) is a web browser for mobile devices, such as mobile phones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Browser
  1048. # [19:36] <nimbupani> ha does smthin like opera mini.
  1049. # [19:36] <shichuan> ucweb is for china i think
  1050. # [19:37] <nimbupani> ?w Obigo
  1051. # [19:37] <bot-t> nimbupani, Obigo Browser - Obigo Browser is a WEB/WAP browser for mobile phones, smartphones and other Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs) developed by the Obigo company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obigo_Browser
  1052. # [19:40] <shichuan> modernizr won't detect media queries support right?
  1053. # [19:40] <nimbupani> not yet.
  1054. # [19:40] <shichuan> it will be nice if a script can
  1055. # [19:40] <paul_irish> i'm going to finish that today.
  1056. # [19:40] <nimbupani> ya it would be nice to tie em both in.
  1057. # [19:40] <paul_irish> respond.js has a detect for that built in
  1058. # [19:40] <shichuan> oh yea
  1059. # [19:41] <shichuan> maybe can move that outside
  1060. # [19:41] <BrianBlakely> I think I'm going to make a thing that allows web apps to retain their state on iOS
  1061. # [19:41] <BrianBlakely> That "refresh every time I open the app" stuff is bullshit
  1062. # [19:41] <shichuan> so it wont be even loaded, can use yepnope
  1063. # [19:41] <nimbupani> woah i know BrianBlakely
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  1065. # [19:41] <paul_irish> its a memory issue, last i heard
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  1067. # [19:42] <zewt> BrianBlakely: drives me nuts how web apps in "web app mode" on iOS, don't even retain history/hash state
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  1069. # [19:43] <zewt> i've worked around that with localStorage hacks :|
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  1071. # [19:43] <BrianBlakely> zewt: I was thinking of making a library that retains app state in just that way
  1072. # [19:44] <BrianBlakely> It's been a long-running goal actually, just need to flush out my damn backlog...
  1073. # [19:44] <zewt> i just stuff the hash state into localStorage in my hash-managing code (and, more recently, history-API), and restore it on startup, so it's fairly transparent
  1074. # [19:45] <zewt> (don't remember the particulars off-hand, but that's the gist)
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  1077. # [19:45] <zewt> and only for iOS, with a browser detect--since it's working around an iOS-specific bug (no real way to "feature-test")
  1078. # [19:45] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: i am thinking maybe the hardboiled css can be removed
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  1080. # [19:46] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: cos respond.js wont help
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  1082. # [19:47] <zewt> my #1 annoyance for web apps on mobile right now is android's broken address bar behavior ... wonder if anyone has found a better workaround for that mess than I have
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  1084. # [19:48] <shichuan> what broken add bar issue?
  1085. # [19:48] <zewt> eg. how android allows scrolling off the address bar for pages that scroll, but there's no way to get rid of it for single-page, full-page web apps (eg. google maps-esque); the browser decides that the page doesn't scroll, so it doesn't allow scrolling down to get rid of it
  1086. # [19:48] <zewt> (the address bar takes up a *lot* of screen space)
  1087. # [19:48] <zewt> at least up to android ... 2.2, I think was the last I tested with
  1088. # [19:50] <zewt> combined with a buggy window.scrollTo on that browser (it doesn't snap to the given position; it tweens to it)
  1089. # [19:50] <paul_irish> http://robertnyman.com/2011/03/24/my-new-job-technical-evangelist-for-mozilla/
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  1092. # [19:51] <diamonds> paul_irish or nimbupani what's the deal with the 5 apple-touch-icons in boilerplate?
  1093. # [19:51] <paul_irish> ?g mathias touch icons
  1094. # [19:51] <bot-t> paul_irish, Everything you always wanted to know about touch icons Mathias ... - http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/touch-icons
  1095. # [19:51] <diamonds> ty
  1096. # [19:52] <zewt> the only workaround i've found for the android thing is to add padding to the bottom of the page (to allow scrolling), scrollTo, wait a little while for it to finish the tween, then remove the padding--which is ugly/brittle/apocalyptically horrible but the only thing I know of that works at all
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  1099. # [19:53] <shichuan> zewt: sounds like an ugly hack
  1100. # [19:53] <zewt> i think "apocalyptically horrible" covered that :)
  1101. # [19:54] <paul_irish> hahhahaha
  1102. # [19:54] <shichuan> wow
  1103. # [19:54] <zewt> (it's so ugly I wanted to be sure nobody assumed I thought it was a good solution :)
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  1109. # [19:59] <nimbupani> what you mean shichuan?
  1110. # [20:00] <shichuan> nimbupani: respond.js only supports min-width and max-width
  1111. # [20:01] <shichuan> nimbupani: hardboiled boilerplate uses device-width etc
  1112. # [20:01] <nimbupani> ohhh
  1113. # [20:01] <nimbupani> hmm i guess its all the more reason to remove respond.js
  1114. # [20:02] <nimbupani> and recommend people do mobile first development.
  1115. # [20:04] <shichuan> nimbupani: ok, so wat i am thinking is remove respond.js, load css3-mediaqueries.js instead but ONLY on demand
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  1117. # [20:04] <shichuan> anyway i list down the points email u and paul, cos i am going to sleep soon, i will come out with a list first
  1118. # [20:05] <nimbupani> yeah def shichuan
  1119. # [20:05] <nimbupani> hmm i am not sure if css3-mediaqueries would work but we should test it.
  1120. # [20:05] <danielfilho> miketaylr: COOL! me avisa, pode ficar em casa se quiser :)
  1121. # [20:05] <bot-t> (48 mins 10 secs ago) <miketaylr> tell danielfilho acho q venho a são paulo uns dias antes do brazil.js pra fazer umas entrevistas também!
  1122. # [20:05] <miketaylr> ahh legal :)
  1123. # [20:06] <shichuan> yea, we can test a few polyfills see which fits the best
  1124. # [20:06] <danielfilho> free wifi & city tour included :D
  1125. # [20:06] <nimbupani> yeah
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  1135. # [20:24] <diamonds> using mediaqueries: does one load a separate stylesheet based on e.g. screen resolution, or put that stuff in one stylesheet somehow?
  1136. # [20:25] <nimbupani> diamonds: one stylesheet
  1137. # [20:25] <simenbrekken> Any nice complete and updated refence on HTML5 and JS?
  1138. # [20:26] <zewt> the spec :)
  1139. # [20:26] <diamonds> nimbupani: so... how is this?
  1140. # [20:26] <diamonds> ?mediaqueries
  1141. # [20:26] <bot-t> diamonds, Media Queries / Dynamic resolution dependent layouts | jQuery Plugins - The script adds basic Media Query-Support (min-width and max-width in px units ) to all browsers ( http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/ ). It helps you to create a dynamic resolution dependent l... http://plugins.jquery.com/project/MediaQueries
  1142. # [20:26] <simenbrekken> zewt: nice? :P
  1143. # [20:27] <zewt> at least for JS APIs the spec is more useful than most references :P
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  1145. # [20:29] <adamnbowen> simenbrekken: I like http://developers.whatwg.org/ and the mozilla developer reference on js
  1146. # [20:29] <simenbrekken> adamnbowen: thanks :)
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  1148. # [20:32] <diamonds> so @media only screen and (min-device-width: 768px) and (max-device-width: 1024px){body{background:#000}} to make bg black on ipad, for example
  1149. # [20:32] <diamonds> I think I get it :)
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  1170. # [21:11] <diamonds> so I'm making something for the Ipad that should also work on chrome etc. w/html5
  1171. # [21:11] <diamonds> I'd like to just make the content area the same size as the ipad on the browser because... I just think it'll work best
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  1173. # [21:12] <diamonds> I'm trying to figure the dimensions of the viewport in ipad, if I hide the url bar...
  1174. # [21:12] <diamonds> anyone know this offhand?
  1175. # [21:14] <xonecas> window.height and wdth/
  1176. # [21:14] <xonecas> ?
  1177. # [21:15] <diamonds> xonecas: good idea :)
  1178. # [21:15] <xonecas> :-)
  1179. # [21:17] <diamonds> undefined... how is this
  1180. # [21:17] <diamonds> hrm
  1181. # [21:17] <diamonds> window.screen.height :)
  1182. # [21:18] <diamonds> is there a way to force landscape orientation on iOS anyone knows of?
  1183. # [21:20] <paul_irish> plz pick favorite: http://paulirish.com/i/d311.png
  1184. # [21:21] <salazr> um, #FOC
  1185. # [21:21] <salazr> *#F0C
  1186. # [21:21] <xonecas> $FOC
  1187. # [21:21] <diamonds> no hsl? ;)
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  1191. # [21:23] <xonecas> ahhh irc looks nicer on a mac
  1192. # [21:23] <salazr> doesn't everything?
  1193. # [21:24] <diamonds> huh... removing the url bars etc. doesn't change screen.height
  1194. # [21:24] <diamonds> must need viewport or something
  1195. # [21:25] <xonecas> salazr: most, the command line will always look better in linux imho, that aside yes
  1196. # [21:25] <salazr> xonecas: http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/
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  1200. # [21:36] <xonecas> salazr: ahhh vt100 style B-)
  1201. # [21:38] <BrianBlakely> diamonds: no way to force orientation, it's terrible
  1202. # [21:39] <diamonds> Maybe I can listen for innerWidth changes and add and overlay asking the user to please turn their ipad horizontal again :)
  1203. # [21:39] <salazr> xonecas i only wish it was just a little bit less of a resource hog.. but it's great otherwise
  1204. # [21:39] <diamonds> this is a one off concept thing, not a websitey website (I know typically forcing a user to do things is bad)
  1205. # [21:40] <diamonds> what was that touch to click script called again? it was being discussed earlier
  1206. # [21:40] <diamonds> quicktouch?
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  1211. # [21:46] <zewt> not that that was a serious suggestion, but if you really do want to detect the device orientation, look at window.orientation and window.onorientationchange
  1212. # [21:46] <zewt> (not 100% sure that's supported on iOS, but I think it is...)
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  1216. # [21:48] <croby> anyone in here using jshint in FF4?
  1217. # [21:49] <xonecas> bot-t: tell paul_irish he can pull now.
  1218. # [21:49] <bot-t> xonecas, Okay.
  1219. # [21:49] <xonecas> bot-t is the best :-)
  1220. # [21:51] <nimbupani> croby: what happens?
  1221. # [21:51] <nimbupani> i am sure antonkovalyov would have :P
  1222. # [21:51] <croby> nimbupani: in my for-in statements, "JSHint error on line 103 character 26: this is undefinedundefined" all over the place
  1223. # [21:51] <croby> in places that pass in Chrome latest and FF<4
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  1225. # [21:54] <croby> its very strange, and i can't seem to find where that condition is executed/tested in the jshint source
  1226. # [21:54] <antonkovalyov> croby, can you share the code you're trying?
  1227. # [21:54] <croby> antonkovalyov: absoultely - let me pastebin it
  1228. # [21:55] <croby> http://pastebin.com/SiGvH4nt
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  1230. # [21:59] <croby> antonkovalyov: all the errors are where the loop statement defines the variable -- eg. for (var i=0; i<arr.length; i++)
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  1234. # [22:00] <antonkovalyov> croby, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/j1_4fdx52xgi.png
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  1236. # [22:00] <tw2113> yay more desktop memory
  1237. # [22:00] <antonkovalyov> croby, what settings do you use?
  1238. # [22:01] <croby> antonkovalyov: sub:true is our only option (this is using latest jshint from github, running it in one of our qunit tests)
  1239. # [22:02] <antonkovalyov> croby, oh maybe i introduced a bug somewhere
  1240. # [22:02] <antonkovalyov> let me check
  1241. # [22:03] <croby> with regards to that error above, i forgot we're formatting our own errors, the 'reason' in the response is 'this is undefined'
  1242. # [22:04] <antonkovalyov> hm, i just checked kicakky with the latest jshint and it worked
  1243. # [22:05] <croby> hmm
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  1248. # [22:12] <croby> antonkovalyov: http://jsfiddle.net/ZSYgm/1/
  1249. # [22:13] <croby> and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20830/Screen%20shot%202011-03-24%20at%202.09.05%20PM.png
  1250. # [22:13] <antonkovalyov> waaait, jsfiddle has jshint support?
  1251. # [22:13] <antonkovalyov> sweet
  1252. # [22:13] <croby> you can add in a library
  1253. # [22:13] <croby> i just gave it the raw url to the github hosted jshint
  1254. # [22:15] <antonkovalyov> kk
  1255. # [22:15] <antonkovalyov> fuck, my firebug is not working
  1256. # [22:16] <croby> gotta get that 1.7 for FF4
  1257. # [22:16] <antonkovalyov> ok, i can reproduce it
  1258. # [22:16] <antonkovalyov> lemme check what may have caused it
  1259. # [22:16] <croby> phew
  1260. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> did fx4 add support for strict mode?
  1261. # [22:23] <antonkovalyov> this is what causing an issue
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  1263. # [22:24] <croby> antonkovalyov: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/New_in_JavaScript/1.8.5
  1264. # [22:24] <croby> yes, it did
  1265. # [22:24] <antonkovalyov> meh
  1266. # [22:24] <antonkovalyov> croby, gonna fix it real quick
  1267. # [22:25] <croby> antonkovalyov: awesome, thank you!
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  1269. # [22:25] <antonkovalyov> fucking crockford
  1270. # [22:25] <croby> :)
  1271. # [22:25] <antonkovalyov> global try/catch with result silenced
  1272. # [22:25] <antonkovalyov> that's why it is pushing its own errors to the .errors
  1273. # [22:26] <zachleat> Don't talk shit about crockford, or he'll noscript you :D
  1274. # [22:29] <tw2113> just bring it
  1275. # [22:29] <antonkovalyov> fuck me
  1276. # [22:29] <antonkovalyov> jslint is leaking stuff into global space
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  1279. # [22:37] <antonkovalyov> croby, ok quick fix is pushed. i will work on the real fix later when i have more time
  1280. # [22:37] <croby> antonkovalyov: great, on master?
  1281. # [22:37] <antonkovalyov> yeah
  1282. # [22:37] <antonkovalyov> i just disabled strict-mode for now
  1283. # [22:37] <croby> got it, thank you!
  1284. # [22:37] <antonkovalyov> crock uses `this` where he shouldn't and it leaks stuff to global scope
  1285. # [22:38] <croby> sounds like an awesome problem to start to debug..
  1286. # [22:38] <antonkovalyov> and since fx4 actually implemented strict-mode, it breaks on the incorrect usage of `this`
  1287. # [22:38] <antonkovalyov> i am tempted to send a copy of js: the good parts to him
  1288. # [22:39] <xonecas> antonkovalyov: ahahahahahahahahahaha
  1289. # [22:39] <croby> antonkovalyov: fix confirmed, unit tests back to passing
  1290. # [22:40] <antonkovalyov> croby, sweet
  1291. # [22:40] <xonecas> you should dish it out to him on some mailing list like he does to other developers
  1292. # [22:40] <antonkovalyov> fuck that
  1293. # [22:40] <antonkovalyov> i will prob go to his talk soon :)
  1294. # [22:40] <xonecas> :O
  1295. # [22:41] <xonecas> Does he likes
  1296. # [22:41] <xonecas> you ?
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  1298. # [22:41] <xonecas> after you cloned his lint?
  1299. # [22:41] <antonkovalyov> dunno if he knows about my existence
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  1301. # [22:44] <antonkovalyov> BrianBlakely, welcome to the meetup group :)
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  1312. # [23:01] <BrianBlakely> Is Chromium/Mac supposed to have HWA turned on?
  1313. # [23:01] <BrianBlakely> antonkovalyov: Thank you! :)
  1314. # [23:01] <xonecas> https://github.com/polvero/qwery/blob/master/src/qwery.js Dustin used the !function and not (function () {})(); :-o
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  1316. # [23:01] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: about:labs to turn on I think
  1317. # [23:02] <BrianBlakely> xonecas: I about:flags, probably. I sifted through it
  1318. # [23:02] <BrianBlakely> I only mention it because Chrome sucks at graphics
  1319. # [23:02] <BrianBlakely> I'm getting 60fps in Safari @ 1080p, but like 8fps in Chromium
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  1323. # [23:04] <BrianBlakely> I'm sure V8 is blasting through my barely-there JS codebase, but it's completely choking on CSS animation
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  1326. # [23:08] <xonecas> BrianBlakely: every browser has its up and downs :-)
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  1336. # [23:15] <zewt> but didn't CSS animations originate in WebKit? heh
  1337. # [23:16] <zewt> be odd for Chrome to suck at them
  1338. # [23:16] <zewt> (i generally only use them for touchscreen feedback and not desktop, so I don't know)
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  1344. # [23:31] <BrianBlakely> zewt: It's unbelievable how well Safari handles Animation+Transform, and how poorly every other browser does
  1345. # [23:31] <BrianBlakely> Visit bit.ly/oswich in Chrome, then Safari, then Chrome again
  1346. # [23:31] <BrianBlakely> It will blow your wig off
  1347. # [23:33] <digitalfiz> that isnt even usable for me in chrome
  1348. # [23:33] <digitalfiz> i dont have safari though :/
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  1350. # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> digitalfiz: Not even usable? Are you running Chrome stable?
  1351. # [23:35] <digitalfiz> chrome beta
  1352. # [23:35] <digitalfiz> 11.0.696.16 beta
  1353. # [23:35] <BrianBlakely> Ah, yeah. For some reason it's 1-2fps in the non-stable builds
  1354. # [23:36] <BrianBlakely> But it runs fine in stable (when not compared to Safari)
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  1356. # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> If Chrome gives me the DAP spec and great graphics, I'll never ask for anything again, because it will be perfect
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  1359. # [23:41] <BrianBlakely> Even WebGL-2D runs at a higher framerate in FF4 than Chr10
  1360. # [23:41] <BrianBlakely> http://weare.buildingsky.net/webgl-2d/example.html
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  1364. # [23:45] <meosweetmeo> hello, why cloned elements dont get canvas?
  1365. # [23:45] <BrianBlakely> Another site, tweeted by paul_irish I presume, runs beautifully in Safari and FF4, not so much in Chrome: http://www.demodern.de/#/studio/
  1366. # [23:45] <meosweetmeo> iknowyouwantme.ru/svfu/index.html
  1367. # [23:46] <paul_irish> compositing is hard.
  1368. # [23:46] <meosweetmeo> two first photos are generated dynamycalli via .clone()
  1369. # [23:46] <meosweetmeo> but canvas script runs after .clone()
  1370. # [23:47] <meosweetmeo> and somehow sometimes it works without any reason, just pulling the refresh button
  1371. # [23:47] <meosweetmeo> and yeah it bugs only in webkit
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  1373. # [23:50] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish please developer-relate this HWA testcase to the guys compositing the webs: http://analogysoft.com/things/tinyfins/
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  1375. # [23:53] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: nice test case
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  1377. # [23:54] <paul_irish> can you file a ticket? new.crbug.com
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  1379. # [23:54] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Already have it open, but I'm not sure what to call it
  1380. # [23:54] <meosweetmeo> paul_irish can u suggest some possible way of solution?
  1381. # [23:54] <paul_irish> Poor composting performance on 2D canvas
  1382. # [23:54] <paul_irish> or whatever itis
  1383. # [23:55] <paul_irish> meosweetmeo: can you put this online?
  1384. # [23:55] <meosweetmeo> yes i have given the link
  1385. # [23:55] <meosweetmeo> iknowyouwantme.ru/svfu/index.html
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  1387. # [23:55] <meosweetmeo> first two image in the left are generated dynamycallu
  1388. # [23:55] <meosweetmeo> (.gb-fake)
  1389. # [23:55] <meosweetmeo> and in webkit they do not saturate
  1390. # [23:56] <meosweetmeo> saturation is goin with ImageData and described in the bottom of logic.js
  1391. # [23:56] <meosweetmeo> desaturate, i mean
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  1393. # [23:56] <meosweetmeo> and in some cases, just randomly pressing "refresh", they do appear in chrome
  1394. # [23:56] <meosweetmeo> i cant catch the condition of its appearing
  1395. # [23:57] <paul_irish> its throwing on this line
  1396. # [23:57] <paul_irish> for (var i = 0, n = pix.length; i < n; i += 4) {
  1397. # [23:57] <meosweetmeo> i think my way of canvas initializaton is full of crap but i have very luck of time
  1398. # [23:57] <meosweetmeo> lack
  1399. # [23:58] <meosweetmeo> but other images are painted well
  1400. # [23:58] <meosweetmeo> always
  1401. # [23:58] <meosweetmeo> the problem is only in these two
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