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  1. # Session Start: Fri Mar 25 00:00:01 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  5. # [00:01] <meosweetmeo> gosh
  6. # [00:01] <meosweetmeo> other images are painted well
  7. # [00:01] <meosweetmeo> always
  8. # [00:03] <meosweetmeo> sometimes only one of them is being painted
  9. # [00:03] <meosweetmeo> its definetely the .load() problem but i cant figure out what concrete it is
  10. # [00:03] <meosweetmeo> s.o.s. ( want to have some sleep finalllllllllllllly
  11. # [00:03] <zewt> easier to help you if you narrow down a test case instead of pointing at a full page
  12. # [00:03] <paul_irish> ^
  13. # [00:04] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: I humbly present http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=77332
  14. # [00:04] <meosweetmeo> what does it mean? (
  15. # [00:05] <BrianBlakely> meosweetmeo: Which images are giving you a problem?
  16. # [00:06] <paul_irish> 77332 !
  17. # [00:06] <meosweetmeo> first two
  18. # [00:06] <BrianBlakely> It spells TTEER!
  19. # [00:06] <meosweetmeo> problem appears only in webkit
  20. # [00:06] <BrianBlakely> meosweetmeo: What's wrong with them?
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  22. # [00:07] <meosweetmeo> (
  23. # [00:07] <meosweetmeo> they arent desaturated
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  25. # [00:07] <meosweetmeo> sometimes, sometimes they do
  26. # [00:07] <meosweetmeo> sometimes only on of them being desaturated
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  29. # [00:10] <meosweetmeo> yes
  30. # [00:10] <meosweetmeo> it is .load problem
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  34. # [00:13] <BrianBlakely> Right
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  36. # [00:13] <BrianBlakely> meosweetmeo: It's possible the image loads before your load event is attached
  37. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> No, I'm sure that's the problem
  38. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> You need to defer the loading of those images
  39. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> Generate them dynamically
  40. # [00:14] <xonecas> tylergillies: Load them with js with new Image on the onload event :-)
  41. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> Or, less elegantly, use the onload attribute
  42. # [00:14] <xonecas> ups how did that name get on there
  43. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> On the <img>
  44. # [00:14] <zewt> or check img.complete, iirc
  45. # [00:15] <zewt> not sure if that's tightly bound to onload off-hand though
  46. # [00:15] <zewt> also that girl has large gums
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  48. # [00:16] <BrianBlakely> zewt: That she does
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  51. # [00:19] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Thanks for taking a look at the ticket
  52. # [00:20] <paul_irish> np
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  54. # [00:22] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: got first place... forgot to mention your quote :'(
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  57. # [00:22] <paul_irish> oh terrible
  58. # [00:22] <paul_irish> shoulda had my quote along with..... see ?fpi
  59. # [00:22] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
  60. # [00:23] <meosweetmeo> fuf
  61. # [00:23] <niftylettuce> :)
  62. # [00:23] <xonecas> ahaha
  63. # [00:23] <meosweetmeo> now im going smoke and sleep thanks to BrianBlakely
  64. # [00:23] <meosweetmeo> i used dynamycal generation and it worked
  65. # [00:23] <niftylettuce> big wordsss
  66. # [00:23] <xonecas> meosweetmeo: \o/ step into haze and relax :-P
  67. # [00:24] <niftylettuce> -.-
  68. # [00:24] <meosweetmeo> i dont understand (
  69. # [00:24] <niftylettuce> xonecas, sup?
  70. # [00:24] <xonecas> niftylettuce: waaazaaaa
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  72. # [00:24] <xonecas> meosweetmeo: nv :-)
  73. # [00:24] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, i mentioned you to judges though
  74. # [00:25] <niftylettuce> i said?fpi
  75. # [00:25] <xonecas> niftylettuce: how did it go?
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  77. # [00:25] <niftylettuce> xonecas, 1st place, used chrome html5 presentation
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  79. # [00:26] <niftylettuce> time to sleep zzZZZzz
  80. # [00:26] <xonecas> niftylettuce: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1754045/Fuck-Yeah.jpg
  81. # [00:26] <xonecas> congrats buddy
  82. # [00:27] <xonecas> Are we still on for a busy weekend?
  83. # [00:27] <niftylettuce> xonecas, :) there is audio recording of it
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  85. # [00:27] <niftylettuce> xonecas, yea if we dont finish its OK i talked to client
  86. # [00:28] <xonecas> awesome
  87. # [00:28] <xonecas> I got some stuff done
  88. # [00:28] <xonecas> got to push to the repo
  89. # [00:28] <xonecas> after I debug
  90. # [00:28] <niftylettuce> xonecas, :)
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  106. # [00:59] <uf0> paul_irish: why did you remove the safari fix for input type="search?
  107. # [00:59] <uf0> i'm confused on that
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  120. # [01:20] <grantg> hey xonecas: I heard you like "DX" versions http://www.grantgalitz.org/TetrisDX/
  121. # [01:20] <grantg> heh
  122. # [01:20] <grantg> tetris nostalgia
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  124. # [01:21] <grantg> It's nice to disassemble some binaries every so often
  125. # [01:22] <grantg> they fixed (tetris devs) the stupid busy-wait for an interrupt receive.
  126. # [01:22] <grantg> from the b/w to DX version
  127. # [01:22] <zewt> waiting for tetris grand master: web edition
  128. # [01:22] <grantg> it's also nice to read how they implemented the AI
  129. # [01:22] <grantg> those bitches I swear do have an algorithm to make you lose. <_<
  130. # [01:23] <grantg> they purposefully send you the wrong blocks de'm bitches
  131. # [01:23] <zewt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwC544Z37qo old but still D:
  132. # [01:24] <paul_irish> hilarious: var elem = document.createElement('video'); elem.canPlayType && elem.canPlayType('video/mp4'); // will throw an EXCEPTION in ie9 on windows server 2008
  133. # [01:25] <zewt> paul_irish: apparently we need canCanPlayType()
  134. # [01:25] <paul_irish> seriously
  135. # [01:25] <paul_irish> "On Windows Server 2008, you will need to enable the Desktop Experience feature prior to installing Internet Explorer 9 prerequisite KB2117917. Without enabling Desktop Experience, Internet Explorer 9 will not have HTML5 video and audio playback support."
  136. # [01:25] <paul_irish> will not have support, my ass.
  137. # [01:26] <paul_irish> WILL THROW AN EXCEPTION after we expose all the methods that make it look like we have support
  138. # [01:26] <grantg> heh
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  144. # [01:26] <zewt> surprised they didn't use typical MS wording ... "HTML5 will not support Internet Explorer 9"
  145. # [01:26] * grantg silently puts back http://www.grantgalitz.org/PokemonCardGame/
  146. # [01:26] <grantg> too much nostalgia on my server
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  148. # [01:27] <xonecas> grantg: there hasn't been a single time that you came to the irc, and I got shit done... damn you
  149. # [01:29] <xonecas> paul_irish: 5 years from now we will be saying: "Damn that ie9"...
  150. # [01:30] <paul_irish> s/5 years from now/Right now/
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  155. # [01:47] <xonecas> lol
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  172. # [02:51] <xonecas> ^ so nostalgic
  173. # [02:53] <grantg> heh
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  191. # [03:49] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/HiwjK.jpg
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  194. # [03:54] <tw2113> tragic, grantg
  195. # [03:55] <grantg> noooooooooooooo.... http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/03/24/white-trash-repairs-not-a-kludge-cartridge-system/
  196. # [03:56] <tw2113> so basically...it's a nintendo in a nintendo cartridge?
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  198. # [03:57] <grantg> yes
  199. # [03:58] <tw2113> dang
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  220. # [03:58] <tw2113> doh netsplit
  221. # [03:59] <grantg> heh
  222. # [03:59] <grantg> It's quiet.... Too quiet
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  224. # [03:59] <grantg> The enemy is coming from behind!
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  226. # [04:00] <tw2113> i should probably hop onto some freelance work soon before it gets too late
  227. # [04:00] <grantg> heh
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  235. # [04:01] <tw2113> i'm a little odd as if i have to go to some office to truly stay motivated to work, working at home lends to too many distractions at times
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  237. # [04:01] <tw2113> and fall into "at home" routines
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  239. # [04:03] <zewt> or the opposite problem: home becomes work, so you're never not at work, heh
  240. # [04:03] <tw2113> if that meant earning money the whole time, i could handle "going home" by leaving the apartment for a bit
  241. # [04:03] <grantg> minecraft FTFY: http://i.imgur.com/38f87.jpg
  242. # [04:04] <zewt> it generally does not. heh
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  257. # [04:04] <tw2113> darn
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  259. # [04:13] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/hVhRs.jpg
  260. # [04:14] <danbeam> grantg: feels bod mon
  261. # [04:14] <grantg> yeah
  262. # [04:16] <grantg> Fuck this - http://i.imgur.com/55tU5.png
  263. # [04:16] <grantg> codepo8 needs to raege
  264. # [04:17] <danbeam> codepo8 used to work at Yahoo!, lol
  265. # [04:18] <grantg> exactly
  266. # [04:18] <danbeam> sad day for Yahoo! when he quit, but good day for him and Mozilla, :_(
  267. # [04:19] <danbeam> Chris is fucking awesome
  268. # [04:19] <grantg> heh
  269. # [04:19] <danbeam> and if you close your eyes during his presentations, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger became a hacking web nerd
  270. # [04:19] <grantg> meanwhile when the email arrives in codepo8's email account: http://i.imgur.com/qSoco.jpg
  271. # [04:20] <danbeam> grantg: haha
  272. # [04:25] <danbeam> grantg: http://danbeam.org/me_when_i_get_that_email.png (mad, but still working for Y!, lol)
  273. # [04:25] <grantg> heh
  274. # [04:25] <danbeam> grantg: (also, that cheese-cooled mobo is rocking, right?!)
  275. # [04:26] <grantg> silicon+cheese=?
  276. # [04:27] <danbeam> delicious
  277. # [04:27] <danbeam> err, I mean ... del.icio.us (too soon?)
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  279. # [04:28] <grantg> heh
  280. # [04:28] <grantg> Back from '03
  281. # [04:28] <grantg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtcqfQNd2Y
  282. # [04:28] <grantg> '11 dupstep redo
  283. # [04:28] <grantg> *dubstep
  284. # [04:28] <grantg> weebls 2011
  285. # [04:29] <grantg> someone has spent too much time w/ flash
  286. # [04:30] <grantg> FTFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI&feature=watch_response
  287. # [04:30] <danbeam> grantg: you're a stange man
  288. # [04:31] <danbeam> grantg: strange*
  289. # [04:31] <grantg> danbeam: You're telling me you don't remember that?
  290. # [04:31] <danbeam> grantg: I do
  291. # [04:31] <grantg> heh
  292. # [04:31] <danbeam> grantg: I just like the original better
  293. # [04:31] <grantg> heh
  294. # [04:31] <danbeam> grantg: for both
  295. # [04:32] <danbeam> grantg: this song has nothing on the Excision/Datsik version (or some of the remixes)
  296. # [04:32] <grantg> I can't believe this site is still up: http://homestarrunner.com/
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  298. # [04:33] <grantg> remember that site in IE5
  299. # [04:33] <danbeam> grantg: I still hear the techno song in my nightmares - buddle up bump, buddle up bump
  300. # [04:33] <grantg> heh
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  305. # [04:46] <grantg> FTFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U
  306. # [04:48] * moshee likes this
  307. # [04:49] <grantg> gang fight! gang fight! yeah! chicken to no eat.
  308. # [04:49] * danbeam topic now set to "Memes-R-US" (was html5-related)
  309. # [04:49] <grantg> yup
  310. # [04:50] * danbeam assumes mild responsibility
  311. # [04:50] <grantg> nah
  312. # [04:50] <grantg> teh reddit haz given lolz
  313. # [04:51] <danbeam> Rebecca Black inspires such rage, best troll evar
  314. # [04:52] <grantg> heh
  315. # [04:52] <grantg> so much wrong with the car scene
  316. # [04:52] <grantg> no driver
  317. # [04:52] <grantg> and the chick on the left can't dance to save her life.
  318. # [04:53] <grantg> and rebecca can't sing.
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  324. # [04:56] <grantg> Welcome, amigos :: Ask any question about memes & lolz. || Reddit: http://reddit.com/ || Imgur: http://imgur.com/ || Also://digg.com/ http://youtube.com/ http://facebook.com/ http://failblog.org/
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  326. # [04:57] <grantg> FTW
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  328. # [04:59] <danbeam> grantg: forgot 4chan and encyclopediadramatica
  329. # [04:59] <grantg> true
  330. # [05:00] <grantg> 4chan is more like sporadic and crazy anime porn with paedos sprinkled all around.
  331. # [05:00] <grantg> http://www.eyebleach.com/ FTFY
  332. # [05:03] <grantg> disclaimer: Everyone underage don't go to 4chan or eyebleach
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  457. # [12:20] <Zelest> I'm trying/wish to make a multiplayer Zelda-like game using <canvas> .. however, I want the maps to be seamless and yet load "on-the-fly" .. how can I achieve this by best practice?
  458. # [12:21] <Zelest> like, I want to only show a portion of the map (as in, the current view doesn't cover the entire map)
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  502. # [15:11] <diamonds> if I add a directory to html5 boilerplate (e.g. audio/) and point to a file in it in my html, will the build script include it?
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  513. # [15:29] <niftylettuce> =)
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  530. # [16:27] <salazr> trying to solve a challenge here..
  531. # [16:28] <salazr> i need to modify the first letter of a text input's value... kind of impossible to edit css on it.. i've got js and sliced it all up
  532. # [16:28] <salazr> but you guys wouldnt have any tips/hacks to actually render html out of an input value?
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  534. # [16:29] <cocoadaemon> doesn't make sense for me please provide a test case on pastebin ?
  535. # [16:30] <salazr> one sec
  536. # [16:31] <salazr> http://jsfiddle.net/rV6M9/
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  539. # [16:39] <cocoadaemon> ah, ok. So you want to show which letters of a form text input are modified ?
  540. # [16:39] <salazr> no
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  542. # [16:39] <salazr> i want to apply css to the first letter
  543. # [16:39] <salazr> somehow
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  545. # [16:40] <cocoadaemon> ok
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  549. # [16:44] <cocoadaemon> salazr: tried input:first-letter but doesn't work, guess you had before
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  552. # [16:46] <salazr> cocoadaemon: yep. no go..
  553. # [16:46] <diamonds> well, tinymce et al. perform many style transformations in a textarea (I think?)
  554. # [16:46] <cocoadaemon> found that : http://www.htmlforums.com/css/t-change-the-font-color-of-form-input-only-for-first-letter-126522.html not much helpful
  555. # [16:47] <salazr> yah.. it just might be impossible
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  557. # [16:48] <salazr> brb
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  559. # [16:48] <monteslu> and now firebug has caught back up to chrome dev tools in features i need. 1.7 has localStorage inspector
  560. # [16:49] <monteslu> yay competition
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  581. # [17:37] <BrianBlakely> You could try using content-editable.. maybe
  582. # [17:37] <BrianBlakely> Oh.. I'm way behind the convo
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  619. # [18:44] <diamonds> http://pastebin.com/YKh50hi7 binding ontouchmove to body on iOS w/jquery
  620. # [18:44] <diamonds> thoughts? (doesn't seem to work, doesn't get triggered)
  621. # [18:45] <lar_zzz> just trying 'touchmove'
  622. # [18:46] <zewt> also you might want window or document instead of body, or touching outside the body but still inside the window might still drag
  623. # [18:46] <diamonds> hmm... will try both!
  624. # [18:46] <zewt> definitely just touchmove
  625. # [18:46] <zewt> (unless jquery does evil magic for you; havn't used it)
  626. # [18:46] <diamonds> touchmove does the trick!
  627. # [18:46] <diamonds> thank you
  628. # [18:47] <diamonds> and yes, it does
  629. # [18:47] <zewt> also you might want to do it during capture, since touchmove listeners down the tree might stopPropagation on you
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  631. # [18:48] <xonecas> o/
  632. # [18:49] <diamonds> zewt: what you mean "during capture?"
  633. # [18:49] <zewt> during capture phase instead of bubble phase
  634. # [18:49] <diamonds> (I get it now btw, ontouchmove on the element itself, or bind "touchmove")
  635. # [18:50] <diamonds> zewt: so touchstart?
  636. # [18:50] <zewt> no
  637. # [18:50] <zewt> dom events 101 :)
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  639. # [18:50] <zewt> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/element.addEventListener see useCapture
  640. # [18:50] <diamonds> heh... guess I'll have to do without this time :) I'll look into it tho
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  643. # [18:51] <diamonds> oh I think I get it, whatever element receives the initial click?
  644. # [18:51] <diamonds> or, set useCapture to make the body that element?
  645. # [18:52] <diamonds> I'll read more :)
  646. # [18:52] <zewt> find a dom events tutorial :)
  647. # [18:52] <zewt> you're going to see more and more of it since IE finally supports it
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  651. # [19:01] <robhawkes> If anyone's interested (related to my new job): http://rawkes.com/blog/2011/03/25/becoming-a-mozilla-technical-evangelist :)
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  653. # [19:03] <humph> nice post, robhawkes
  654. # [19:04] <robhawkes> Thanks humph! :)
  655. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> robhawkes, welcome to the good side :)
  656. # [19:07] <robhawkes> Haha, thanks Ms2ger :D
  657. # [19:07] <humph> heh
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  661. # [19:10] <alcuadrado> hey, really cool header robhawkes !
  662. # [19:10] <robhawkes> Thanks alcuadrado, I made that back when I was first playing with SVG and canvas animations
  663. # [19:11] <tw2113> +2 for that header
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  666. # [19:12] <uf0> +3 for that header
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  670. # [19:17] <BrianBlakely> Hey, anyone working on Webkit, or want to see Media Queries improve, please contribute: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57065
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  681. # [19:32] <alcuadrado> robhawkes, I don't get what you mean by "brown bag" talk
  682. # [19:33] <robhawkes> alcuadrado: A brown bag is just the name Mozilla give to short talks that are put on in their lunch room :)
  683. # [19:33] <robhawkes> Nothing crazy
  684. # [19:33] <robhawkes> Just a weird name
  685. # [19:33] <alcuadrado> I see, thought it was an idiom or smth
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  687. # [19:37] <humph> it is an idiom, refers to a "brown bag lunch"
  688. # [19:38] <humph> so a "lunch time talk"
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  692. # [19:42] <robhawkes> humph: That woukd explain why it doesn't make sense in the UK
  693. # [19:42] <robhawkes> I had no idea what the brown bag bit referred to
  694. # [19:42] <humph> welcome to North America!
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  701. # [20:00] <Neiluj> I wish required exists for select -_-
  702. # [20:00] <Neiluj> <option value="">Please select a product...</option>
  703. # [20:00] <Neiluj> for that kind of cases
  704. # [20:01] <Neiluj> http://twitter.com/WHATWG/status/20920354690 ? 403 :(
  705. # [20:01] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/ejaRXL @WHATWG: HTML5: <select required> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5282&to=5283
  706. # [20:01] <Neiluj> thx socialhapy :)
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  709. # [20:04] <Neiluj> indeed, we need both required AND placeholder
  710. # [20:05] <zewt> placeholders in selects always just seem like awkward workarounds for bad UIs, something that should be fixed by fixing the UIs, not speccing the workaround...
  711. # [20:06] <Neiluj> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-button-element.html#the-select-element
  712. # [20:06] <Neiluj> zewt : I don't agree
  713. # [20:07] <Neiluj> placeholder in select is like "no value" which is often useful
  714. # [20:07] <zewt> right and browser UIs should have their own mechanism for selecting nothing
  715. # [20:08] <Neiluj> seems like the select's required spec is acting this way
  716. # [20:08] <Neiluj> <option value="">Placeholder string</option> that's exactly what I wanted :)
  717. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> Right, just bug browsers to implement it :)
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  719. # [20:10] <Neiluj> yes but it can be polyfilled, I thought the required attribute wasn't allowed and was thinking about using it
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  725. # [20:20] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, http://www.businessinsider.com/15-facts-about-starbucks-that-will-blow-your-mind-2011-3
  726. # [20:21] <nimbupani> 15 facts to DEFINITELY AVOID LOOKING AT STARBUCKS
  727. # [20:22] <nimbupani> well at least they pay health insurance which is good.
  728. # [20:22] <antonkovalyov> "At $300 million Starbucks spends more on healthcare insurance for its employees than on coffee beans"
  729. # [20:22] <nimbupani> there is some stupid starbucks staff meeting here antonkovalyov which is why buses are expected to be delayed and traffic slow in downtown seattle!!
  730. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, haha
  731. # [20:23] <nimbupani> yaya thats like the only glorious point about starbucks! everything else SUCKS
  732. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> ALL PRAISE STARBUCKS
  733. # [20:23] <nimbupani> you are DEAD to me antonkovalyov
  734. # [20:23] <antonkovalyov> :'-(
  735. # [20:23] <diamonds> hi friends
  736. # [20:23] <nimbupani> :)))
  737. # [20:24] <diamonds> I've got this iPad site and it's landscape only
  738. # [20:24] <diamonds> I'm preventing zoom and pan/drag
  739. # [20:24] <diamonds> when it loads in landscape, I'm fine (fits nicely) but when they rotate then go back, it's all zoomed in
  740. # [20:24] <nimbupani> how are you preventing zooming?
  741. # [20:25] <diamonds> nimbupani <meta name="viewport" content="user-scalable=no, width=1024px" />
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  745. # [20:26] <diamonds> like... perhaps I can rezoom on rotate?
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  747. # [20:26] <nimbupani> diamonds: http://www.blog.highub.com/mobile-2/the-complete-idiots-guide-to-pixels-on-mobile/
  748. # [20:27] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28a6t8i&s=7
  749. # [20:27] <paul_irish> nice
  750. # [20:27] <paul_irish> winmo7 emulator?
  751. # [20:27] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: css3-mediaqueries.js does work
  752. # [20:27] <shichuan> yea emulator
  753. # [20:28] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: but one problem, i try to use it with modernizr.mq + yepnope
  754. # [20:28] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: but this thing doesn't work with yepnope
  755. # [20:29] <paul_irish> o.
  756. # [20:29] <paul_irish> :(
  757. # [20:29] <diamonds> hmm...
  758. # [20:29] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: so option a: <!--[if IEMobile 7 ]> <script src="js/libs/css3-mediaqueries.js"></script> <![endif]-->
  759. # [20:29] <diamonds> my innerWidth changes once it's zoomed via rotate :(
  760. # [20:30] <diamonds> I need to... fix the innerwidth?
  761. # [20:30] <shichuan> option b, tweak the thing, but that's gonna be much hassle
  762. # [20:31] <shichuan> option c, forget abt cross-browser mq for now
  763. # [20:31] <nimbupani> hmm but that means option a is just IE
  764. # [20:31] <diamonds> is there a "rotate" event on iOS?
  765. # [20:31] <nimbupani> which is like very very small % of market.
  766. # [20:32] <nimbupani> i mean it would be nice if we can get it to work on all those relics
  767. # [20:32] <shichuan> nimbupani: yea, that's the best option
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  769. # [20:32] <paul_irish> i like option a
  770. # [20:32] <paul_irish> respond doesnt work for iemo7?
  771. # [20:32] <nimbupani> no but option a only gets you ie nothing else.
  772. # [20:33] <shichuan> respond.js only taks min-width and max-width i guess?
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  774. # [20:33] <paul_irish> nimbupani: im trying to figure out https://github.com/briancavalier/canhaz
  775. # [20:34] <paul_irish> shichuan: you mean not the device-width ones?
  776. # [20:34] <shichuan> paul_irish: from what i know, yea
  777. # [20:35] <paul_irish> it should!
  778. # [20:35] <paul_irish> file at ticket ! :)
  779. # [20:35] <nimbupani> paul_irish: whats he trying to say anyway he wants to use boilerplate but his soln is better?
  780. # [20:35] <nimbupani> which is some sort of a generator?
  781. # [20:36] <paul_irish> no no its like a cmd line "give me all that shit right now" command
  782. # [20:36] <paul_irish> that grabs h5bp
  783. # [20:36] <paul_irish> and some other things
  784. # [20:36] <nimbupani> o okay
  785. # [20:36] <paul_irish> for scaffolding new projects
  786. # [20:36] <nimbupani> o okay like createproject.sh
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  788. # [20:37] <paul_irish> ya
  789. # [20:37] <nimbupani> ytf is he saying boilerplate sucks?
  790. # [20:37] <paul_irish> boilerplate code sucks
  791. # [20:37] <paul_irish> that you need it
  792. # [20:38] <paul_irish> in a hypothetical world
  793. # [20:38] <paul_irish> we shouldnt need it
  794. # [20:38] <nimbupani> its really hard to understand if he is using it as an adjective or a noun
  795. # [20:38] <nimbupani> a proper noun even
  796. # [20:39] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: so for now we go w option a, and ideally in the long term, get respond.js/css3-mediaqueries.js to work with modernizr.mq and yepnope?
  797. # [20:39] <paul_irish> yes
  798. # [20:40] <shichuan> cool
  799. # [20:40] <nimbupani> yeah
  800. # [20:42] <paul_irish> h5bp markup in jade https://gist.github.com/887388
  801. # [20:42] <paul_irish> for when you're too hipster to use haml
  802. # [20:43] <nimbupani> naice
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  807. # [20:51] <grantg> xonecas: Raged at craigslist today
  808. # [20:51] <grantg> Just looked at some posts
  809. # [20:52] <grantg> funny how half in my town for web dev want VBScript + ASP + MSSQL for a "friendly" web experience. <_<
  810. # [20:52] <grantg> yeah... if you suck micocrap
  811. # [20:52] <grantg> *microcrap
  812. # [20:52] <grantg> heh
  813. # [20:53] <paul_irish> grantg: this may interest you http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/software_rendering_list.json
  814. # [20:53] <grantg> They also want "internet explorer" responsiveness. lolwut?
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  818. # [20:54] <grantg> paul_irish: I have a 2010 macbook pro with an nvidia 320m
  819. # [20:54] <grantg> I think I'm covered
  820. # [20:54] <paul_irish> oh i know
  821. # [20:54] <paul_irish> but
  822. # [20:54] <grantg> Otherwise expect no GPU support for macs with chrome in almost all macs
  823. # [20:54] <paul_irish> heh
  824. # [20:55] <grantg> seriously
  825. # [20:55] <grantg> It's a 2010 laptop, not 2005/2006
  826. # [20:56] <grantg> waiting on putImageData to not suck on chrome still...
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  828. # [20:56] <diamonds> damn, I am stumped
  829. # [20:57] <diamonds> I don't think there's any way to programatically adjust the zoom in iOS and that's what I need to do
  830. # [20:57] <diamonds> I guess I just have to turn user zoom back on and let them do it manually :(
  831. # [20:57] <grantg> did you try to adjust the width and height of the web page itself?
  832. # [20:57] <diamonds> grantg: you mean, window?
  833. # [20:59] <diamonds> well this doesn't work :p
  834. # [20:59] <diamonds> window.innerHeight = 1024;
  835. # [20:59] * diamonds is grasping at straws
  836. # [20:59] <shepazu> new W3C Audio WG launched!!! https://twitter.com/#!/w3caudio
  837. # [20:59] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/gcKtd4 @w3caudio: W3C has just launched the new Audio WG http://w3.org/2011/audio to extend HTML5 audio. Stay tuned for news and spec updates! #webaudio
  838. # [20:59] <shepazu> hurray and huzzah!
  839. # [21:00] <nimbupani> WOOOOT
  840. # [21:01] <nimbupani> aha this works with audio api and all that jazz?
  841. # [21:01] <shepazu> nimbupani: yeah, it will extend read-write to <audio>
  842. # [21:01] <shepazu> and <video>
  843. # [21:01] <nimbupani> sweeet
  844. # [21:01] <tw2113> http://fytojs.com/
  845. # [21:01] <shepazu> ok, kids, please help me find a good avatar for the twitter feed
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  847. # [21:02] <tw2113> a bage, shepazu
  848. # [21:02] <shepazu> http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/4/transformer-earphone.jpg
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  850. # [21:02] <tw2113> er a bagel*
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  852. # [21:02] <nimbupani> hahahaha shepazu
  853. # [21:02] <nimbupani> its pretty apt butt we dont know the copyright status
  854. # [21:04] <shepazu> yeah
  855. # [21:04] <nimbupani> hahahaha http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:78tours.ogv
  856. # [21:04] <nimbupani> i had no dea these things worked even today.
  857. # [21:04] <nimbupani> +i
  858. # [21:05] <diamonds> can I zoom elements with css/js?
  859. # [21:05] <diamonds> like... "if the width is only 769 cuz it's zoomed in, ZOOM EVERYTHING OUT TO COUNTERACT IT!!!!!"
  860. # [21:06] <shepazu> http://assets.head-fi.org/1/16/265x265px-LS-161cc1b5_B000E5DLIE-31aXB2LlGQL.jpg with a waveform laser coming out of it?
  861. # [21:06] <diamonds> again, straw grasping
  862. # [21:07] <diamonds> I guess I'd have to resize everything in %s then... then...
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  865. # [21:08] <skyler_brungardt> Okay, food for thought -- which is better for browser detection: HTML Conditionals or PHP Browser sniffing?
  866. # [21:08] <nimbupani> http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=audio
  867. # [21:08] <skyler_brungardt> My inclination is to push it off on the browser. Thoughts?
  868. # [21:09] <shepazu> nimbupani ftw https://twitter.com/#!/w3caudio
  869. # [21:09] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/gcKtd4 @w3caudio: W3C has just launched the new Audio WG http://w3.org/2011/audio to extend HTML5 audio. Stay tuned for news and spec updates! #webaudio
  870. # [21:09] <skyler_brungardt> Free lunch to whomever can answer it with a legitimate response. :-)
  871. # [21:10] <nimbupani> hahahaha naice shepazu :))
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  873. # [21:20] <diamonds> skyler_brungardt: here ppl will probably say "detect features and use media queries"
  874. # [21:20] <diamonds> #html5 and all
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  876. # [21:21] <skyler_brungardt> diamonds: Yes, worthwhile thought; the goal here is instead to strip IE of any styling.
  877. # [21:21] <skyler_brungardt> Just markup.
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  879. # [21:21] <diamonds> if !ie is your best bet then
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  881. # [21:22] <skyler_brungardt> Any data behind that I can get access to?
  882. # [21:22] <Zelest> It's not possible to move objects within a canvas, right? Like, the idea is to modify the variables which specify where the object is to be rendered, then re-render the whole canvas.. am I right?
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  884. # [21:25] <uf0> skyler_brungardt: HTML conditionals for IE
  885. # [21:26] <skyler_brungardt> uf0: Need some data to be able to make a case.
  886. # [21:26] <skyler_brungardt> More than just "That's the way we've done it".
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  888. # [21:27] <davidmurdoch> any mozilla labs type people in here today?
  889. # [21:27] <diamonds> shepazu: w3c audio is following me on twitter!! huzzah.
  890. # [21:27] <paul_irish> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=browser+sniffing+is+bad
  891. # [21:27] <paul_irish> IE conditionals dont break
  892. # [21:27] <paul_irish> sniffs do.
  893. # [21:27] <shepazu> diamonds: I'm am somehow skeptical your real name is Shady Torpor
  894. # [21:28] <skyler_brungardt> paul_irish: Generally, I agree; if it's a server-size sniff for the rendering engine, with a regex, what might break?
  895. # [21:28] <davidmurdoch> .net sniffs for cookie support...and it thinks Adobe Air doesn't support cookies.
  896. # [21:28] <diamonds> skyler_brungardt: ie conditionals do what you are trying to do. Why not use them?
  897. # [21:29] <zachleat> skyler_brungardt: proxy caching
  898. # [21:29] <paul_irish> ^
  899. # [21:29] <diamonds> shepazu: :) my name is sequoia
  900. # [21:29] <diamonds> but no one would believe that so I picked something more reasonable
  901. # [21:31] <skyler_brungardt> Word. Thanks folks, needed to make a case to shoot down the php route; Drupal dudes do love that PHP. :-)
  902. # [21:32] <shepazu> diamonds: that's one of the benefits of being an early follower... you get followed :)
  903. # [21:34] <diamonds> aaaaaawwwwwwwww yyyyyeeeaaaahhh!!!
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  921. # [22:12] <davidmurdoch> I'm hacking some stuff in xulrunner and they've got these .jar archives. I can uncompress them just fine but I can't figure out how to rearchive them. Anyone want to help?
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  927. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> davidmurdoch, they're just zip files with a different extension
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  932. # [22:28] <davidmurdoch> thats what I thought. I just can't get it to work after re-zipping then renaming
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  937. # [22:37] <davidmurdoch> aaaahhh. seriously. this sucks. Heres what i'm doing -> Select example.jar, Right Click -> 7Zip -> Extract Here. Rename example.jar to example.jar.original. Select example (folder), Right Click -> 7Zip -> Add to example.zip, rename to example.jar
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  939. # [22:37] <davidmurdoch> then try to run the application and it blows up.
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  945. # [22:42] <digitalfiz_> Computer users can create or extract JAR files using the jar command that comes with a JDK. They can also use zip tools to do so; however, caution should be exercised as to the order of entries in the zip file headers as the manifest likely needs to be first.
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  953. # [22:51] <davidmurdoch> hrm, not sure how to do the manifest part
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  957. # [22:53] <davidmurdoch> ah, digitalfiz_ ... when re-archiving i was including the original folder. oops
  958. # [22:55] <davidmurdoch> I've been working for 12 hours straight. nows about the time where my brain turns to goo.
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  969. # [23:08] <dgathright> anyone know much about the innards of IndexedDB? Wondering why in all the examples I come across in the W3C spec, event handlers (onsuccess, onerror, etc...) are attached to the object --after-- the synchronous API calls are made (ex. idb.open() ). I'm sure it makes sense, just a strange pattern, trying to understand why.
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  972. # [23:10] <dgathright> It's like the "onsuccess" event is fired, and then just left there for whatever callback function will eventually be attached the IDB object as the onsuccess() property method.
  973. # [23:18] <zewt> synchronous methods don't fire events on completion, they just return
  974. # [23:19] <hober> dgathright: the event loop is processing the 'execute this js' bit, and any events generated get added to the event queue
  975. # [23:20] <hober> so the events are guaranteed to happen after the event handlers are in place
  976. # [23:20] <zewt> it's async methods that dispatch events, not sync methods
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  978. # [23:21] <hober> dgathright: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/webappapis.html#event-loops
  979. # [23:24] <dgathright> zewt: The IDB.open() method returns the DB object and fires the "onsuccess" event (last step of that method, according to the spec) and the next line in where you actually define the callback to the "onsuccess" event.
  980. # [23:26] <dgathright> hober: Hmm... I guess I still don't fully understand how open() is firing "onsuccess" on an object it will eventually return.
  981. # [23:27] <zewt> what are you looking at? don't see that in either the last published version nor the current draft
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  984. # [23:27] <dgathright> I guess I understand & trust that it is correct, just my own curiosity to understand why, since it is a unique way of handling things.
  985. # [23:28] <dgathright> zewt: http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/ See any of the examples
  986. # [23:28] <hober> firing the onsuccess event adds that event to the task queue
  987. # [23:28] <hober> the task queue is being processed by the event loop
  988. # [23:28] <hober> the event loop is busy executing your javascript
  989. # [23:28] <zewt> http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/#opening-sync never fires an event
  990. # [23:29] <dgathright> I guess I need to learn for about the task queue then.
  991. # [23:29] <zewt> the examples mostly use the async API, not the sync API (which only works from worker threads)
  992. # [23:31] <zewt> (sync APIs should never dispatch events on completion, because in a worker thread you may do a lot of work without ever returning to the event loop, so the queued events would "leak")
  993. # [23:32] <dgathright> zewt: Ah, I was looking at step 5 of 3.2.3, which is the asynchronous open(). That makes more sense.
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  996. # [23:37] <BrianBlakely> paulrouget: Giving a presentation on mozillademos.org
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  998. # [23:38] <BrianBlakely> paulrouget: It started out as a broader "next-gen" presentation, but Web O' Wonders pretty much covers it all
  999. # [23:39] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Thoughts? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57065
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  1001. # [23:45] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: this is a very confusing area because of resolution and widths but media queries and viewports should get u what you need?
  1002. # [23:46] <nimbupani> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-meta-viewport-and-viewport/
  1003. # [23:47] <nimbupani> i understand u want to detect if the screen width/height is small
  1004. # [23:47] <nimbupani> if u set viewport width = device-width
  1005. # [23:47] <nimbupani> u get 1css px = 1 device px
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  1007. # [23:48] <nimbupani> which will get u what you need. but that still does not help retina display or androids with higher resolution
  1008. # [23:48] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: What if the resolution of the small screen is as high as a large screen?
  1009. # [23:48] <BrianBlakely> RIght
  1010. # [23:48] <nimbupani> u need to use targetDPI
  1011. # [23:48] <jquerier> hello all firefox released version 4 :) i hope everyone update
  1012. # [23:48] <nimbupani> i meann targetdensityDPI
  1013. # [23:49] <BrianBlakely> Let's say the smartphone's resolution is 720p. How would I give it a smartphone layout, and an HDTV an HDTV layout?
  1014. # [23:50] <BrianBlakely> I think the existing tools are inadequate
  1015. # [23:51] <nimbupani> you can use device-pixel-ratio
  1016. # [23:52] <nimbupani> and if u set width = device-width then min-width and device-pixel-ratio
  1017. # [23:53] <nimbupani> o boy i am getting confused agian
  1018. # [23:53] <nimbupani> again*
  1019. # [23:53] <BrianBlakely> Heh, maybe we're having a miscommunication, because I don't think that will lead to a solution
  1020. # [23:53] <BrianBlakely> If both the HDTV and smartphone have a 1:1 ratio, and a 720p resolution, there's no way to tell what you're dealing with
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  1022. # [23:54] <BrianBlakely> You would probably want a single-column layout and touch-friendly buttons on the smartphone, and something else entirely for the HDTV
  1023. # [23:55] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: you have aspect-ratio, resolution, device-width, device-height
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  1025. # [23:56] <BrianBlakely> Those would report the same for both of these devices
  1026. # [23:56] <nimbupani> why would that be?
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  1029. # [23:57] <nimbupani> its impossible for smart phone to report same width as a HDTV if they have same resolution
  1030. # [23:58] <BrianBlakely> device-width merely reports the width in pixels, no? If the width is the same for both devices in pixels, then device-width will have the same value for both devices
  1031. # [23:58] <nimbupani> it reports device pixel value
  1032. # [23:59] <nimbupani> http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2010/04/a_pixel_is_not.html
  1033. # [23:59] <BrianBlakely> And if the device pixel value is the same as it's actual value...
  1034. # [23:59] <BrianBlakely> its*
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