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1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 29 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
3. # [00:04] <tw2113> congrats cgcardona
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12. # [00:24] <cgcardona> tw2113: :D thanks man
13. # [00:32] <cgcardona> been staying in between two guest rooms for over a month now - it'll be good to plant some roots
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15. # [00:33] <cgcardona> there are these massive redwoods right across the street at henry cowell state park http://goo.gl/tuioM
16. # [00:33] <cgcardona> there like over 1000 years old
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59. # [03:10] <paul_irish> any recommendations for css parsing libraries?
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63. # [03:23] <chriseppstein> paul_irish: in js?
64. # [03:23] <bot-t> (600 hours ago) <paul_irish> tell chriseppstein https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/pull/354#issuecomment-832423
65. # [03:25] <chriseppstein> wow, it's been 25 days since I last spoke up here?
66. # [03:25] <chriseppstein> lame
67. # [03:27] <tw2113> welcome back
68. # [03:28] <moshee> I'm commander shepard and this is my favorite channel on freenode
69. # [03:29] <paul_irish> chriseppstein: yeah right now i'm going with glazou's cssparser
70. # [03:31] <chriseppstein> whatever that is
71. # [03:31] <chriseppstein> :P
72. # [03:32] <chriseppstein> I just write my own
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80. # [03:53] <nimbupani> woah antonkovalyov this disqus email moderation is awes.
81. # [03:53] <antonkovalyov> :-)
82. # [03:53] <nimbupani> is this new? I did not notice it before.
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86. # [03:57] <tbranyen> http://pastie.org/1729185
87. # [03:57] <tbranyen> have this javascript
88. # [03:58] <tbranyen> no idea why it fails in chrome
89. # [03:58] <tbranyen> the file exists
90. # [03:58] <tbranyen> and is loaded
91. # [03:58] <tbranyen> at least i think it is
92. # [03:58] <tbranyen> yeah its totally loaded
93. # [03:58] <nimbupani> yay world music tyme at kexp
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95. # [03:58] <tbranyen> right mimetype
96. # [03:59] <tbranyen> nimbupani: thats not an answer!
97. # [03:59] <tbranyen> i'm trying to make gun noises!
98. # [03:59] <nimbupani> hahahaha
99. # [03:59] <nimbupani> sry tbranyen
100. # [03:59] <nimbupani> i know how that feels.
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102. # [04:00] <tbranyen> you'd be proud of me
103. # [04:00] <tbranyen> i made some awesome css
104. # [04:00] <nimbupani> ORLY!
105. # [04:00] <nimbupani> ?paste @ tbranyen
106. # [04:00] <bot-t> tbranyen, Please paste your code at http://jsfiddle.net/ [preferred], http://paste.pocoo.org/+js or http://fixee.org/
107. # [04:00] <tbranyen> its a cross hair
108. # [04:00] <tbranyen> http://sharefilewith.me/u/223c15.png
109. # [04:00] <tbranyen> and you can pan around
110. # [04:01] <nimbupani> wooo
111. # [04:01] <nimbupani> neet
112. # [04:01] <tbranyen> yeah i was looking into webkit masks
113. # [04:01] <tbranyen> but they seemed too complicated
114. # [04:01] <nimbupani> you could blur and deblur also :)
115. # [04:01] <tbranyen> needing images and such
116. # [04:01] <tbranyen> woah what
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120. # [04:02] <nimbupani> well you could like pretend fake do it
121. # [04:02] <tbranyen> coool this works in opera too <3
122. # [04:02] <nimbupani> by some rgba and inset box shadow
123. # [04:02] <nimbupani> awwww
124. # [04:02] <nimbupani> thnx.
125. # [04:03] <tbranyen> nimbupani: i'm making a wiimote driven web game as a proof of concept
126. # [04:03] <tbranyen> i just wanted some sounds to go with it
127. # [04:03] <tbranyen> and html5 has failed me
128. # [04:03] <nimbupani> ohh :|
129. # [04:04] <tbranyen> lol this might be a chrome bug
130. # [04:04] <tbranyen> eff
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142. # [04:32] <grantg> paul_irish: Just put up bomberman
143. # [04:32] <grantg> almost forgot that game series existed
144. # [04:32] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/bomberman/
145. # [04:32] <grantg> :P
146. # [04:36] <grantg> better make sure your computer's audio is in stereo for that game.
147. # [04:36] <grantg> awww yeeeaah
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154. # [04:46] <grantg> cgcardona: nooooo
155. # [04:47] <grantg> you have comcast. :/
156. # [04:47] <cgcardona> lolz
157. # [04:47] <cgcardona> the house I'm at must
158. # [04:47] <cgcardona> haha
159. # [04:47] <cgcardona> i have ATT though I don't know if that's much better :-/
160. # [04:47] <grantg> any game requests?
161. # [04:48] <grantg> what gameboy game shalt appear on teh internetz next?
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164. # [04:48] <cgcardona> they haven't kicked down your door and carried you off to the dungeons of level 8 yet?
165. # [04:48] <grantg> heh
166. # [04:48] <grantg> because there hasn't been traffic really
167. # [04:49] <grantg> at least after 2 seconds reddit's hivemind became bored with it
168. # [04:49] <cgcardona> haha
169. # [04:49] <grantg> cgcardona: And don't forget, jsNES actually provides a list of the ROMs
170. # [04:49] <grantg> I just hide the folders on my server
171. # [04:49] <cgcardona> url?
172. # [04:49] <grantg> :P
173. # [04:50] <cgcardona> any final fantasy?
174. # [04:50] <grantg> of jsnes?
175. # [04:50] <cgcardona> thats what i'm waiting on
176. # [04:50] <grantg> final fantasy oh hell yeah
177. # [04:50] <grantg> lol
178. # [04:50] <grantg> which one? :P
179. # [04:50] <cgcardona> the original for 8 bit?
180. # [04:50] <grantg> which?
181. # [04:50] <cgcardona> or 3
182. # [04:50] <grantg> I?
183. # [04:50] <cgcardona> yea
184. # [04:50] <grantg> heh
185. # [04:50] <grantg> sec
186. # [04:51] * grantg goes off into the dark side of the internetz.
187. # [04:51] <grantg> searching for a FFI rom.
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189. # [04:52] <grantg> 1989 Final fantasy it is
190. # [04:52] <grantg> lol
191. # [04:52] <grantg> 80s
192. # [04:52] <cgcardona> sweeet
193. # [04:55] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/FinalFantasy/
194. # [04:55] <grantg> wait
195. # [04:55] <grantg> is this the original
196. # [04:55] <grantg> it says 1991
197. # [04:55] <grantg> damn
198. # [04:55] <grantg> too many final fantasy versions
199. # [04:55] <grantg> <.<
200. # [04:55] <cgcardona> i'm sure it still rules
201. # [04:56] <cgcardona> this is actually a little different
202. # [04:56] <cgcardona> it's more like zelda
203. # [04:58] <grantg> heh
204. # [04:58] <grantg> the game blows through the 10 sprites per line limit in the first scene
205. # [04:58] <grantg> poor programming lol
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210. # [05:01] <grantg> I'm still trying to beat WarioLand3
211. # [05:01] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/WarioLand3/
212. # [05:02] <grantg> lol
213. # [05:03] <grantg> even warioland3 passes the 10 sprites per scanline rarely
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215. # [05:03] <grantg> but come on final fantasy
216. # [05:04] <grantg> damnit final fantasy programmers, you can do better than fucking the limit up in the first 30 seconds of the game. <.<
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219. # [05:06] <grantg> heh, and water effect is a shitty VRAM overwrite
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221. # [05:07] <grantg> bitch, overwrite the character map bytes...
222. # [05:07] <grantg> to reference a different tile
223. # [05:08] <grantg> and do a mid-scanline x-coord shift
224. # [05:09] <grantg> they could have gotten a sine wave look in the water without retarded and slow tile overwriting
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404. # [05:28] <niftylettuce> who msg'd me last?
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409. # [05:31] <niftylettuce> \o/ fuckin paul irish!!!!
410. # [05:31] <niftylettuce> :)
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458. # [07:10] <niftylettuce> any idea why window.location.reload(); isn't working...? -- i have it inside $.post('/api/logout', function (res) { awjoiawjfoij });
459. # [07:10] <niftylettuce> I passed a (true) to it but it doesnt look like it clears cache/reloads page
460. # [07:10] <niftylettuce> ?tell xonecas ping me when u back
461. # [07:10] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
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464. # [07:18] <themiddleman> check out my web workers wrapper prototype (if you so choose) https://gist.github.com/891836
465. # [07:23] <tbranyen> not a big fan of semicolons are ya
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472. # [07:37] <paul_irish> FF4 for Android launches tmw
473. # [07:38] <paul_irish> also
474. # [07:38] <paul_irish> Tonight, I made a real `text-align: centaur` polyfill. :) http://jsfiddle.net/paul/GJJbw/9/
475. # [07:39] <cgcardona> ff4 for android?! sweetness
476. # [07:40] <cgcardona> nice centaur BTW
477. # [07:40] <paul_irish> ;)
478. # [07:40] <cgcardona> that one's going on twitter my friend
479. # [07:41] <cgcardona> tweeted
480. # [07:41] <cgcardona> and buzzed
481. # [07:41] <paul_irish> sweet! buzzzz
482. # [07:41] <cgcardona> buzzzzzzzzzzzzz
483. # [07:42] <paul_irish> random html5 conf
484. # [07:42] <paul_irish> http://html5.tmcnet.com/conference/newyork/Agenda/Agenda-at-a-glance.aspx
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486. # [07:45] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: nice
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488. # [07:45] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: you use node.js at all?
489. # [07:45] <paul_irish> not rly
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492. # [07:51] <niftylettuce> I just keep getting a page hang on 'Redirecting' and it doesn't actually clear-cache or anything
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509. # [08:37] <shichuan> wow, nice centaur :)
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578. # [11:04] <EoN> Is it possible to use the drawImage method with an animated gif? I've attempted to do this but the gif comes out fixed (not animated)
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592. # [11:32] <EoN> nice answer
593. # [11:33] <moo-_-> EoN: you probably answered your own question :)
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595. # [11:34] <EoN> true that.
596. # [11:34] <EoN> i couldnt find any clear google answers on the topic. am i venturing into unchartered territories? am i on the cutting edge of technology?
597. # [11:36] <moo-_-> you are probably at the dead end of the technology
598. # [11:36] <moo-_-> I haven't never seen anything Javascript based which would give access to individual frames of GIF animation
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600. # [11:37] <EoN> i dont need access to individual frames. i literally just want to display the animated gif, in its entirity, without changing anything
601. # [11:38] <EoN> well at least, i thought thats what i needed. it seems canvas/drawImage displays the first frame
602. # [11:38] <EoN> only
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605. # [11:50] <Neiluj> hey guys, do you know how I could beautify HTML with JS ? some webkit trick or something ?
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626. # [12:41] <mcgoo> hello, quick question, just looking at postmessage, is it just for iframes, or does it also work on popup windows?
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629. # [12:48] <beevi7> paul_irish knock knock
630. # [12:50] <beevi7> my geolocation script now
631. # [12:50] <beevi7> ... uses navigator.geolocation
632. # [12:50] <beevi7> http://code.google.com/p/better-geolocation-api/
633. # [12:51] <beevi7> http://www.manuel-bieh.de/publikationen/scripts/geolocation/demo.html
634. # [12:51] <beevi7> maybe you may want to add it to the polyfills collection now ;)
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640. # [13:35] <Neiluj> re-ask : somebody to tell me about how to tidy HTML with JS please ? :(
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642. # [13:38] <adrinux> Neiluj: tidy perhaps? http://mozile.mozdev.org/0.8/doc/jsdoc/overview-summary-tidy.js.html
643. # [13:39] <Neiluj> adrinux : and without dependency? :)
644. # [13:39] <adrinux> no idea, use google
645. # [13:44] <Neiluj> adrinux: already did, that's why I'm also asking here ;)
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658. # [14:54] <EoN> can you flip an image horizontally? or mirror it?
659. # [14:54] <EoN> when using drawImage
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683. # [15:42] <IamTrying> How to write a notification code in html5? When my browser is minimized and i am working in terminal, how can i get a notification alert i received an order for example?
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685. # [15:43] <sky````````````> http://onepixelahead.com/2010/05/31/html5-notification-example/
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693. # [15:48] <IamTrying> oh yea, sky```````````` thanks
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712. # [16:21] <Jon47> iamtrying: it works in webkit only, and was removed from the latest w3 html5 specs, so unfortunately I bet we can't expect notifications in any other browsers any time soon :(
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714. # [16:29] <paul_irish> beevi7: can you add it? its a wik
715. # [16:29] <paul_irish> i
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718. # [16:33] <uf0> hey guys
719. # [16:33] <uf0> is there any way to make an image rounded via CSS3?
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724. # [16:37] <paul_irish> massive deja vu rightnow :(
725. # [16:37] <paul_irish> um
726. # [16:38] <paul_irish> uf0: https://twitter.com/#!/jon_neal/status/28926573165
727. # [16:38] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/gp1N8d @jon_neal: A fun way to get border-radius on an <img> http://bit.ly/cSedu1 #javascript #css #hack
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729. # [16:39] <uf0> wierd
730. # [16:39] <uf0> weird**
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732. # [16:42] <uf0> ehhh, mean hack
733. # [16:43] <uf0> i hate when people use js to a css problem
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743. # [17:02] <Jon47> hehe, or a design problem
744. # [17:06] <beevi7> paul_irish done. didn't see it's a wiki since i was not logged in. thx ;)
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754. # [17:35] <paul_irish> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_three_members_of_the_google_chrome/
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822. # [19:04] <louisremi> Has anyone already tried to workaround the "same folder" limitation of IE userData by using an iframe?
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834. # [19:29] <grantg> tyler-iphone_: awww yeeeeaaah
835. # [19:29] <grantg> IRC on iPhone win.
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837. # [19:29] <tyler-iphone_> ...
838. # [19:29] <tyler-iphone_> znc is the best
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845. # [19:36] <moo-_-> grantg: http://blog.mfabrik.com/2011/03/28/quasseldroid-quassel-for-android-cross-platform-mobile-irc-client/
846. # [19:37] <moo-_-> I prefer Quassel :)
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873. # [20:19] <Jon47> I'm trying to decide whether it's necessary to put role="navigation", as ARIA suggests I do, onto <nav> elements.. any thoughts?
874. # [20:20] <Michael> if ARIA suggests it I would do it
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905. # [21:19] <antonkovalyov> ?tell nimbupani i see you're speaking at txjs. nice!
906. # [21:19] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
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908. # [21:20] <nimbupani> heheheheh thanks antonkovalyov
909. # [21:20] <bot-t> (1 min 12 secs ago) <antonkovalyov> tell nimbupani i see you're speaking at txjs. nice!
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927. # [21:39] <nimbupani> what would you like to hear antonkovalyov >_>
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943. # [21:46] <daleharvey> paul_irish: yo around?
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956. # [21:56] <paul_irish> daleharvey: ...
957. # [21:56] <paul_irish> hi
958. # [21:56] <daleharvey> yo, just wondering if you had any idea about any plans to scroll inner divs natively on mobile webkit
959. # [21:57] * daleharvey or if there was any non sucky native solutions
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962. # [22:03] <diamonds> put stuff in a <nav>, now learn they are not links at all...
963. # [22:03] <Evet> paul_irish: is modernizr.com hosted on GAE?
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965. # [22:03] <diamonds> heh heh... semantics ftw?
966. # [22:05] <paul_irish> daleharvey: say what
967. # [22:05] <miketaylr> why would <nav> make things magical links?
968. # [22:05] <paul_irish> scroll inner divs?
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970. # [22:06] <diamonds> miketaylr: I mean, I put what looked like links in a nav, turns out they are non-clickable labels for something
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972. # [22:06] <miketaylr> heh
973. # [22:07] <daleharvey> mobile webkit can only scroll the viewpane, you cant create an inner element with overflow:scroll, it causes a whole bunch of nightmare problems, fixed footers impossible and a lot of animations are jumpy
974. # [22:08] <daleharvey> figured you might have heard something from the webkit guys, no bother, will keep digging
975. # [22:12] <diamonds> daleharvey: I looked into this and came up with the answer "no" but i'm no expert (scrolling inner divs, esp. to allow fixed footer)
976. # [22:14] <daleharvey> jquerymobile does a sucky fade in and out for footers, theres iscroll4 but that is buggy and slow for me on android, and cant get sencha to work on android
977. # [22:14] <paul_irish> daleharvey: i havent nope. i dont see much happening at the mobile level
978. # [22:16] <paul_irish> * not that things arent. i just dont have visiblity.
979. # [22:16] <daleharvey> hah yeh I knew what you mean, no bother, cheers
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981. # [22:19] <xonecas> o/
982. # [22:19] <bot-t> (15 hours 8 mins ago) <niftylettuce> tell xonecas ping me when u back
983. # [22:20] <xonecas> :-)
984. # [22:20] <xonecas> How can I catch all events that bubble up uncaught? (without external libs)
985. # [22:21] <xonecas> I can catch click events, but I didn't want to setup a listener for each type of event
986. # [22:21] <xonecas> I want to catch them all then handle them accordingly with event.type
987. # [22:21] <xonecas> Any ideas?
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992. # [22:43] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: You really should just use iScroll or roll your own thing
993. # [22:45] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: Google wrote a fine article that will give you an excellent spring point — http://code.google.com/mobile/articles/webapp_fixed_ui.html
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1003. # [22:52] <daleharvey> BrianBlakely: yeh I remember noticing that but setting up a demo was gonna take a while, in the absense of anything else ill try demoing it
1004. # [22:53] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: It's not that hard, really. Should only take 3 or 4 hours to get something workable together.
1005. # [22:56] <daleharvey> given how the mobile dev I have done so far has gone, combined with the fact that no other far more talented people than me have done it yet suggests 3/4 hours is probably optimistic :P
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1015. # [23:05] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, sorry, i was at lunch
1016. # [23:05] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, i would like to hear more about how starbucks is awesome
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1018. # [23:05] <nimbupani> unforch antonkovalyov no amount of money can make me speak about that!!!! :PPPP
1019. # [23:06] <PrgmrBill> they have pretty menus!
1020. # [23:06] <nimbupani> tho they did fix their website to render on opera
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1022. # [23:06] <tbranyen> nimbupani: you like starbucks?
1023. # [23:06] <tbranyen> what happened to all that hipster coffee seattle crap
1024. # [23:07] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, talk about whatever exciting stuff happens at opera
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1026. # [23:07] <antonkovalyov> because i don't know what are they up to
1027. # [23:07] <nimbupani> i dont like starbucks tbranyen!!
1028. # [23:07] <antonkovalyov> or if they even alive :-P
1029. # [23:08] <nimbupani> they are antonkovalyov! look at this! http://operasoftware.github.com/devrel-misc/mobile-popularity.html
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1033. # [23:15] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, what am i looking at
1034. # [23:15] <antonkovalyov> looks like a map of how communist disease is spreading :D
1035. # [23:16] <antonkovalyov> some legend would be helpful
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1038. # [23:16] <antonkovalyov> also nimbupani it would be awesome to hear about tools/techniques that make my css experience less miserable
1039. # [23:16] <chovy> i'm using ff4, but indexedDB doesn't appear to be supported.
1040. # [23:17] <mikesusz> i look forward to Firefox 5 because FF5 looks a lot like FFS
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1042. # [23:17] <chovy> everything i've read says it is though.
1043. # [23:17] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: awes. I was thinking of that.
1044. # [23:18] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: DISEASEEEE
1045. # [23:18] <nimbupani> ?slap antonkovalyov
1046. # [23:18] * bot-t slaps antonkovalyov around a bit with a large trout
1047. # [23:18] <nimbupani> thanks.
1048. # [23:18] <antonkovalyov> :)
1049. # [23:18] <nimbupani> its countries where opera mobile is the major browser
1050. # [23:18] <nimbupani> as in where opera mobile is the most commonly used mobile browser.
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1053. # [23:22] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: "combined with the fact that no other far more talented people than me have done it yet" - Custom-rolled scrolling is confirmed in Gmail, iScroll, Sencha, and others, so I don't think I get your meaning
1054. # [23:23] <daleharvey> havent found a sencha example that works on android, jquerymobiles implementation sucks, iscroll is very buggy on android
1055. # [23:24] <daleharvey> and gmails mobile client doesnt use it as far as I can tell, that article mentions an ipad app
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