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# [12:12] <Zeddy> is there any way to prevent a mobile phone from turning the screen off when running a html5 web application?
# [12:12] <Zeddy> i built an application which tracks and sends the users position to a database
# [12:12] <Zeddy> but when the screen goes dark, it stops transmitting the location to the database
# [12:14] <Moo---> Zeddy: not possible as far as I know
# [12:14] <Moo---> I assume you are talking about iphone, not a mobile phone? :)
# [12:15] <Zeddy> android
# [12:15] <Zeddy> htc desire hd to be precise
# [12:15] <Zeddy> but the application will probably be run on nokia phones
# [12:15] <Moo---> nokia phones do not have HTML5 at all
# [12:15] <Moo---> they have their own Nokia web-runtime
# [12:15] <Zeddy> what, i thought webkit supported html5
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# [12:16] <Moo---> Zeddy: don't think, check facts :)
# [12:16] <Zeddy> http://qt.nokia.com/products/library/qtwebkit/
# [12:16] <Zeddy> Qt WebKit Integration and HTML5 Development:
# [12:16] <Zeddy> Blend Web and Rich Content and Services
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# [12:16] <Moo---> yes
# [12:16] <Moo---> but that is not the component in the phone
# [12:17] <Moo---> if you do your own qt native application and embed HTML5 code in QT web view then you can use it
# [12:17] <Zeddy> no, i will probably use phonegap to package the web app, which means it will run in webkit on nokia phones
# [12:17] <Moo---> but that's not the browser
# [12:17] <Zeddy> not the default one no
# [12:18] <Moo---> you'll need to fiddle with the native application settings to prevent the screen saver
# [12:18] <Moo---> in any case
# [12:18] <Moo---> you cannot do it from HTML
# [12:18] <Zeddy> What i don't get is, why doesn't an application continue running on android even if the screen goes dimm
# [12:18] <Zeddy> what if you are watching youtube videos, do you have to keep on touching the screen to be able to see the whole vid?
# [12:18] <Moo---> Zeddy: you watch youtube in an application
# [12:18] <Moo---> not in a browser
# [12:19] <Moo---> Zeddy: and yes
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# [12:19] <Moo---> HTML does not have way to prevent a screen saver
# [12:19] <Zeddy> i can open youtube.com and watch videos just like on a computer
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# [12:19] <Moo---> Zeddy: it does not matter
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# [12:20] <Moo---> I said it is not going to happen with HTML only and then you are probably out of luck :)
# [12:20] <Zeddy> oh yeah, it seems to load the vids to the application when clicked
# [12:20] <Zeddy> lol
# [12:20] <Moo---> because I am always right :=)
# [12:20] <Zeddy> ok, but you can set the android browser to prevent screen dimming right?
# [12:21] <Moo---> it honours the system default setting, I guess
# [12:21] <Moo---> just wrap the code with Droidgap and use Java to set the flag to prevent screen saver
# [12:22] <Zeddy> yeah ok, i guess thats best, too bad thats the only thing forcing me use phonegap to begin with
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# [12:24] <phrearch> hello
# [12:24] <phrearch> how can i reset a canvas app(clean up memory)
# [12:24] <phrearch> ?
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# [14:53] <clocKwize> like cross-domain
# [14:54] <jetienne> clocKwize: yes
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# [16:31] <danielfilho> this is good (I hope we're not on a net split): https://github.com/cjohansen/juicer
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# [16:54] <diamonds> how well is the <audio> boolean "loop" supported?
# [16:54] <diamonds> doesn't seem to work in chromium...
# [17:01] <miketaylr> loop should be supported pretty much everywhere <audio> is supported
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# [17:01] <paul_irish> should be but isnt
# [17:01] <paul_irish> the hack i've seen a lot:
# [17:01] <paul_irish> onended="this.play();"
# [17:01] <diamonds> paul_irish: thank you. Know if this works on iOS?
# [17:01] <miketaylr> oh rly?
# [17:01] <paul_irish> dunno
# [17:01] <miketaylr> guess i should use more browsers
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# [17:08] <humph> loop is poorly supported
# [17:09] <diamonds> ended/oneneded does not fire in chromium :(
# [17:09] <diamonds> chromium has been... much more problematic than ff4 with this audio stuff
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# [17:12] <humph> I'd be surpsired to hear that ended is broken in chrome
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# [17:15] <humph> diamonds: if it is, you should file that
# [17:15] <diamonds> humph: I'm setting up a fiddle to test
# [17:15] <humph> do you also have loop set?
# [17:15] <diamonds> humph: yes
# [17:15] <diamonds> perhaps I should remove that
# [17:15] <humph> remove the .loop and see if it works
# [17:15] <humph> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/html/HTMLMediaElement.cpp?rev=77394#L1838
# [17:16] <humph> looks like they skip the event in that case
# [17:16] <humph> I know that we (ff) don't have loop implemented, and ended does indeed fire
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# [17:19] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: paul, i previously discussed with divya, can we like target to ship 1.1 today or tomorrow?
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# [17:20] <diamonds> ack. I can bind to the ended event and console.log, but not trigger playback again
# [17:20] * diamonds sighs
# [17:20] <diamonds> I'll try using setInterval :)
# [17:21] <humph> link me?
# [17:22] <diamonds> humph: one moment, this was local, I'll make fiddle
# [17:22] <diamonds> huh... i need a shorter ogg to test with :)
# [17:22] <diamonds> http://vorbis.com/music/
# [17:23] <diamonds> these are too long
# [17:25] <humph> use a data uri and wav
# [17:26] <humph> sec
# [17:26] <diamonds> ty
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# [17:27] <humph> diamonds: http://audioscene.org/scene-files/humph/sfxr/#sound=0,,0.115,,0.189,0.272,,,,,,,,0.243,,,,,1.000,,,0.100,,0.500
# [17:28] <humph> click on "Generate .wav" and use that url as your src
# [17:29] <diamonds> ok but when I click "play" I hear nothing
# [17:29] <diamonds> oh ok I hear it now
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# [17:29] <diamonds> http://jsfiddle.net/BFEyc/
# [17:29] <diamonds> huh.... this doesn't work in FF or chromium
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# [17:29] <diamonds> humph: ^
# [17:29] <humph> looking
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# [17:29] <humph> yeah, chrome is broken
# [17:30] <humph> <audio id="a1" autoplay onended="this.play();">
# [17:30] <humph> is the easier test
# [17:30] <humph> I don't know jsfiddle, but your code is over in the css section
# [17:30] <humph> is that causing it to not run?
# [17:30] <diamonds> hahahaha....
# [17:30] <diamonds> that might be a problem
# [17:31] <diamonds> oh it... sort of works in chromium
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# [17:31] <diamonds> really erratically
# [17:31] <diamonds> like in firefox it's x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x
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# [17:31] <diamonds> and in chromium it's like x.x...xx.x.x..x..........x.x..x.x.xx....x.x.x
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# [17:32] <paul_irish> shichuan: works for me
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# [17:38] <diamonds> argh... chromium has been nothing but trouble during this project vis-a-vis audio
# [17:39] <humph> you have to file bugs
# [17:39] <humph> it can't get better if you don't tell them what's broken
# [17:39] <diamonds> yes
# [17:39] <diamonds> well I'm in the #chromium dev channel talking about it.
# [17:40] <diamonds> that's filing a bug, right? ;)
# [17:40] <humph> bugs > irc
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# [18:38] <zeddeh> Im building an offline html5 based application for mobile phones and im trying to figure out a good way to package 30 000 tiles with the application, or have it download them on first run
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# [20:31] <Zeddy> how is it possible that when using geolocation api, i tested my app and drove from one part of the city to another, the beginning of the trip was fine, i got results like: 21:10:10 60.384329 25.661498, 21:10:16 60.384329 25.661498,21:10:21 60.384438 25.661543 and so on, then suddenly it got all funny
# [20:32] <Zeddy> and i started getting the same coordinates and big leaps in the time
# [20:32] <Zeddy> 21:11:02 60.387299 25.660114, 21:11:55 60.387299 25.660114,21:12:45 60.387299 25.660114
# [20:32] <Zeddy> the phone was in the same position throughout the whole drive
# [20:33] <Zeddy> i mean, first i have gps coordinates with the accuracy of 7meters, then suddenly it starts lying about my coordinates, yet it says the accuracy is 7meters?
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# [20:56] <diamonds> I can't change the currentTime on an audio element in chrome...
# [20:56] <diamonds> that seems to be the root of several issues
# [20:57] <diamonds> but this guy can http://www.jezra.net/code_examples/html5_audio/
# [20:57] <diamonds> :(
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# [21:00] <diamonds> darn... I wish I weren't supporting iOS here, then I'd just use flash
# [21:00] <diamonds> this yak shaving for a couple audio files is getting ridiculous!
# [21:03] <Jon47> but diamonds u r a pioneer of the sexy, open, and standards-based future!
# [21:03] <diamonds> :(
# [21:03] <diamonds> I am a pioneer of going back to my project manager and saying "actually, we can't do that. I thought we could, but it just doesn't work. Sorry"
# [21:04] <Jon47> i love telling project managers to stuff it
# [21:04] <humph> diamonds: currentTime wfm in chrome
# [21:04] <humph> what are you seeing?
# [21:04] <Jon47> it's your job to own the technology, it's their job to figure out what to do next
# [21:04] <diamonds> humph: I can get it but not set it
# [21:05] <humph> I think you have other issues in this code
# [21:05] <diamonds> this is possible
# [21:05] <diamonds> it's fairly short tho and I don't have any errors
# [21:06] <humph> I'm having it throw
# [21:06] <diamonds> throw what?
# [21:07] <diamonds> might be helpful cuz I'm not getting it
# [21:07] <humph> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'duration' of undefined
# [21:12] <diamonds> oh yeah, on that site
# [21:12] <diamonds> yes but it works, no?
# [21:12] <humph> it likely throws when the readyState is earlier on, and then rights itself
# [21:12] <humph> yes
# [21:12] <humph> if you can't set currentTime, file that too :)
# [21:12] <diamonds> why? it works on jezra.net
# [21:12] <humph> ah, I thought that was your code
# [21:12] <diamonds> I'll try to fiddle it but doggone, my whole day is almost gone here
# [21:12] <humph> reading scrollback again
# [21:12] <diamonds> yeah it probably is
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# [21:18] <diamonds> audio.currentTime = 0; should reset the audio, no?
# [21:18] <humph> yes, that's seeking to start
# [21:19] <diamonds> not in webkit it's not.
# [21:19] <diamonds> chromium nor iOS
# [21:21] <humph> 4.8.10.6: "The currentTime attribute must, on getting, return the current playback position, expressed in seconds. On setting, the user agent must seek to the new value (which might raise an exception)."
# [21:21] <humph> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html
# [21:21] <humph> then they are broken
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# [21:42] <diamonds> ok...
# [21:42] <diamonds> perhaps it's something to do with h5bp?
# [21:42] <diamonds> I'm trying every possible avenue to set the currentTime in chromium
# [21:42] <diamonds> it works on fiddle but not at home
# [21:42] <diamonds> I'll try changing audio files...
# [21:43] <diamonds> holy ffffffff it seems that it's the file itself
# [21:43] <diamonds> this is what happened last time chrome shat the bed, I should have guessed :(
# [21:43] <diamonds> what is a reliable encoder?? I'm using audacity
# [21:43] <diamonds> last time I fixed it by encoding the file in audacity over and over
# [21:44] <diamonds> no, I used.. iskysoft
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# [21:47] <diamonds> is there any reason it should be treating one ogg one way and another another way?
# [21:47] <diamonds> "corruption" I know but have no idea how to fix/avoid that
# [21:48] <diamonds> I mean, the damn file plays
# [21:49] <diamonds> oh, and again, firefox has no trouble with it.
# [21:52] <diamonds> anyone have experience with ogg encoding issues effecting the behavior of browsers and the audio api?
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# [22:17] <paul_irish> diamonds: are you using a non-integer currentTime value?
# [22:17] <diamonds> 0
# [22:18] <diamonds> paul_irish: it works with an ogg straight from vorbis.org
# [22:18] <diamonds> so it appears to have something to do with my ogg but I don't know how to fix that :(
# [22:18] <diamonds> (again, ff does it fine so the ogg isn't THAT bad)
# [22:19] <paul_irish> are you serving it fine?
# [22:19] <paul_irish> or rather.. serving the file the same?
# [22:19] <diamonds> paul_irish: no, with the the vorbis one I served it from vorbis
# [22:19] <diamonds> but I can dl it and try
# [22:21] <paul_irish> k
# [22:22] <diamonds> it stops working locally!!!!
# [22:22] <diamonds> (when I load the same file locally)
# [22:22] <diamonds> I'll re-dl and try again
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# [22:35] <diamonds> paul_irish: ok when I download the file again, I get "An attempt was made to use an object that is not, or is no longer, usable" code: "11"" in firefox
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# [22:35] <diamonds> and "Uncaught Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11" in chromium
# [22:35] <diamonds> but it's the same file... same type="audio/ogg" and everything
# [22:35] <diamonds> I'm using h5bp fwiw
# [22:35] <diamonds> remote file works great
# [22:38] <diamonds> it doesn't like: document.getElementById('button-audio').currentTime = 0;
# [22:38] <diamonds> only with the local file tho
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# [22:39] <diamonds> oh wait, misplaced file :)
# [22:39] <diamonds> it does the same as before (refuses to set currentTime)
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The end :)