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# Session Start: Fri Apr 08 00:00:00 2011
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# [01:03] <niftylettuce> \o/
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# [01:40] <nimbupani> omg i so ♥ the faded text in chrome tabs and bookmarks.
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# [03:11] <BrianBlakely> I really hope this happens: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10402653-265.html?tag=mncol;txt
# [03:11] <BrianBlakely> …one day
# [03:12] <BrianBlakely> The One Device and web standards OS are taking a bit long to come to fruition
# [03:12] <BrianBlakely> I blame Palm for sucking
# [03:13] <bpadalino> they're HP now
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# [03:19] <BrianBlakely> I blame Palm for sucking so much they needed to become HP
# [03:20] <bpadalino> agreed
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# [03:25] <paul_irish> omg
# [03:25] <paul_irish> http://madisonparkconservatory.com/
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# [03:25] <paul_irish> html5 boilerplate AT ITS FINEST
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# [03:29] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Likely the background track
# [03:29] <BrianBlakely> Likey*
# [03:29] <davidwalsh> paul_irish: I'm very impressed with HTML5 Boilerplate
# [03:29] <davidwalsh> Thank you for your efforts
# [03:29] <paul_irish> davidwalsh: :) thxx
# [03:31] <paul_irish> there's a mootools fork somewhere but its out of date
# [03:31] <paul_irish> not that changing it to moo is hard for anyone.
# [03:32] <davidwalsh> I apologize for my ignorance, but is it simply the single script call in the index.html file?
# [03:32] <davidwalsh> well, also the file within the js dir
# [03:32] <paul_irish> yeah
# [03:33] <davidwalsh> Yeah, anyone can change that
# [03:33] <davidwalsh> Anyways, just wanted to thank you for the time you put into it
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# [03:50] <paul_irish> <3
# [03:50] <paul_irish> davidwalsh: you peep the build script?
# [03:50] <paul_irish> it's mighty!
# [03:50] <davidwalsh> I've not yet touched it
# [03:50] <davidwalsh> I'm redesigning my site with your project though
# [03:50] <paul_irish> coolness
# [03:52] <davidwalsh> I'd do a blog post about my experience, but we know that would get me in trouble ;)
# [03:52] <davidwalsh> This looks great though
# [03:52] <davidwalsh> Nice work
# [03:54] <paul_irish> hahaa
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# [03:55] <paul_irish> https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2011/04/07/new-development-channels-and-repositories-for-rapid-releases/
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# [03:56] <miketaylr> Aurora just rolls off the tongue
# [03:57] <miketaylr> au ro ro ro ro ra
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# [04:41] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: wow, about.com uses h5bp now!
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# [04:57] <nimbupani> nice shichuan!
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# [05:09] <paul_irish> whaaaaaat
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# [05:09] <paul_irish> wow
# [05:09] <paul_irish> can some add that to the wiki?
# [05:09] <paul_irish> ?g sites using html5 boilerplate
# [05:09] <bot-t> paul_irish, HTML5 Boilerplate - A rock-solid default template for HTML5 awesome. - http://html5boilerplate.com/
# [05:10] <paul_irish> fucker
# [05:11] <nimbupani> ?g github html5boilerplate wiki
# [05:11] <bot-t> nimbupani, HTML5 Boilerplate Documentation (beta) - GitHub - https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki
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# [05:11] <nimbupani> learn to search paul_irish!
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# [05:14] <shichuan> paul_irish nimbupani: added :) https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki/Sites-using-the-boilerplate
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# [05:15] <paul_irish> :)
# [05:16] <paul_irish> thats super cool. shichuan did you just viewsource spot that?
# [05:16] <paul_irish> they use our css, but no hot pink
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# [05:16] <paul_irish> using some nav[role=navigation] selectors too
# [05:16] <paul_irish> sexytime
# [05:17] <shichuan> paul_irish: no, i found someone @h5bp
# [05:18] <paul_irish> ah
# [05:20] <niftylettuce> sexytime!!!!!
# [05:20] <niftylettuce> paul_irish, I'm coming out to SanFran soon
# [05:20] <paul_irish> hawt
# [05:21] <paul_irish> where ya gonna live
# [05:21] <niftylettuce> b/w SF and San Mateo
# [05:21] <niftylettuce> going there for 2 weeks in may
# [05:21] <niftylettuce> w/xonecas
# [05:21] <niftylettuce> (i think May)
# [05:21] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: any recommendations?
# [05:22] <paul_irish> misssssssssion
# [05:23] <niftylettuce> why not under ur porch?
# [05:23] <niftylettuce> i could pull a harry potter lol
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# [07:21] <tw2113> hey, that's cool..at least with FF4, you can highlight text that is in url form, right click, and get options to open the url
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# [07:45] <tw2113> cgcardona sit!
# [07:45] <cgcardona> roll over?
# [07:46] <tw2113> no i'm not that rude
# [07:46] <cgcardona> haha
# [07:46] <cgcardona> what ya up to?
# [07:46] <tw2113> trying to think of ways to convince you that you want to roll over without any noticeable influence from me
# [07:47] <tw2113> :D
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# [07:47] <tw2113> ever heard of freelance mingle?
# [07:48] <cgcardona> no. is that just a freelance get together?
# [07:48] <tw2113> from what i gather, it's supposed to be another web designer/developer social network
# [07:49] <cgcardona> i think it would rule to have a freelance ice cream social
# [07:49] <tw2113> they already do that with twitter
# [07:49] <tw2113> tweetups
# [07:49] <cgcardona> i heard ppk speak last night at paypal about html5 and mobile
# [07:49] <cgcardona> pretty cool talk
# [07:49] <cgcardona> he says he thinks app stores will mostly go away
# [07:49] <cgcardona> that one is a bit tough for me to agree with
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# [07:50] <tw2113> i kind of have to hope they do to a certain degree
# [07:50] <tw2113> with the idea of cross platform apps based on html5/etc
# [07:50] <cgcardona> i just don't see that happening
# [07:50] <cgcardona> but what about the chrome app store?
# [07:50] <tw2113> probably not with Steve Jobs around still
# [07:51] <cgcardona> i think there is something to be said about the discoverability that comes with app stores
# [07:51] <cgcardona> i always make the comparison to having a physical store on some sidestreet or having it at a shopping center
# [07:51] <tw2113> aha, no wonder I recognized one of popular people from freelance mingle
# [07:51] <tw2113> she is the founder
# [07:51] <cgcardona> people will need to hear about your store and go out of their way to drive there if they are interested
# [07:52] <cgcardona> but in the app store there is a higher chance that someone happens to be walking by and walks in
# [07:52] <tw2113> i guess it comes down to app store vs specific platform app store
# [07:52] <tw2113> i wouldn't be able to go into itunes and get apps for my droid
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# [07:52] <tw2113> but chrome runs on pretty much every OS and is a lot more cross platform
# [07:54] <tw2113> nose what i'm sayin?
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# [07:55] <tw2113> would it be counter productive to create a QR code on my resume page that is just a url to itself for easy access on your smart phone?
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# [09:01] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/julio_ody/status/56225490461130754
# [09:01] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/gz0o00 @julio_ody: IE9 consumes less energy. Probably because of ALL THE STUFF IT DOESNT SUPPORT http://t.co/TH3JQT6
# [09:01] <paul_irish> lolable.
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# [11:40] <Neiluj> is there a css property for scroll transitions ?
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# [11:54] <moo-_-> Neiluj: like scrolling a new div over another?
# [11:54] <moo-_-> Neiluj: or do you mean paper flip effect?
# [11:56] <Neiluj> I mean scroll, like scrollTop
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# [11:57] <moo-_-> ah hah
# [11:57] <moo-_-> I don't belive so
# [11:58] <moo-_-> at least what I have seen this far have been jQuery doing the calculations manually and modifying scroll position with ease calculations
# [11:58] <Neiluj> yeah like $.scrollTo
# [11:58] <Neiluj> that's why I'm asking actually ;-)
# [11:58] <moo-_-> Neiluj: for jquery mobile this is a real concern as it needs to do faux scrolling (no position: fixed on iphone) manually
# [11:58] <moo-_-> and they would definitely use transitions if such were available
# [11:59] <Neiluj> the best faux scrolling for mobile I saw is iScroll http://cubiq.org/iscroll
# [11:59] <Neiluj> and it plays with translate
# [11:59] <Neiluj> it simulates overflow:auto
# [12:00] <Neiluj> but my point is only Desktop, I'm writing a webapp for modern browser only
# [12:00] <Neiluj> I want to avoid js animation when possible, scroll seems to be a survivor
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# [12:46] <DrKillYou> sweet a whole channel just for html5?
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# [17:15] <fealls> did anyone have a funky experience with websockets handshaking? it's failing like 50% of the times... is there a suggested way of doing it?
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# [17:42] <zewt> isn't the websockets protocol still in flux
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# [18:03] <dret> hi everybody
# [18:04] <dret> anyone der in this channel
# [18:04] <dret> ?????
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# [18:05] <dret> hello
# [18:06] <dret> paul_irish: uder?
# [18:06] <paul_irish> i am.
# [18:06] <paul_irish> whats up dret
# [18:06] <paul_irish> zewt: the protocol is but no browsers have landed the changes yet.
# [18:07] <dret> paul_irish: just wanted to know whether der is any better tool for html apart frm dreamweaver??
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# [18:09] <paul_irish> hmmmm.
# [18:09] <paul_irish> most people hand-write their markup. a lot of people like to use 'zen coding' snippets to quickly scaffold their HTML though
# [18:09] <paul_irish> and then they'll just edit it afta
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# [18:11] <sameh_ammar> i think expert must write markup by hand
# [18:12] <paul_irish> heh. it's just markup.
# [18:14] <swalk> zen coding is still writing by hand. its different than dreamweaver generating html from a GUI
# [18:15] <sameh_ammar> dreamwaver is professional but i think gui for begginer
# [18:15] <paul_irish> most DW pros i know dont use the wizzywig, just the editor
# [18:15] <paul_irish> which.. is totally fine to me.
# [18:16] <sameh_ammar> yes , dreamwaver have nice editor more than other tools
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# [18:19] <Michael> I would probably use DW if it had perfoce support
# [18:20] <Michael> perforce
# [18:20] <Michael> But switching to perforce, checking out the file, then switching back to DW would just be a pain
# [18:20] <Michael> Eclipse and PHPStorm do perforce checkouts automatically when you begin editing
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# [18:23] <paul_irish> omg perforce? srsly?
# [18:23] <paul_irish> i use it at work, too. :(
# [18:23] <paul_irish> sucks after working with git for so long.
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# [18:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: git-p4
# [18:28] <danbeam> ?g git-p4
# [18:28] <bot-t> danbeam, Git-p4 Usage - Git SCM Wiki - https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Git-p4_Usage
# [18:29] <danbeam> not as polished as git-svn, but cool (so other friends at GOOG tell me)
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# [19:05] <paul_irish> mrdoob official gave up flash. http://mrdoob.com/blog/post/715 also read comment #5
# [19:07] <Michael> paul_irish, For now
# [19:07] <paul_irish> DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN
# [19:07] <Michael> I think MoleHill is going to beat WebGL.. at least for a while
# [19:08] <Michael> The fact it works in IE is a huge plus, and it's bound to run faster since it has compiled types
# [19:08] <paul_irish> fucking molehill.
# [19:08] <Michael> lol
# [19:08] <paul_irish> (i dont disagree)
# [19:09] <Michael> I think everyone hopped on the Steve Jobs band wagon with Flash. It's not Flash that's the enemy. It's abusive coders
# [19:09] <Michael> Remember when JS was the primortial evil of the internet back in the late 90s and ealry 00s?
# [19:09] <Michael> early
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# [19:09] <Michael> Now it's inseperable.
# [19:10] <Jon47> i think this comment encapsulates the reason js spread so well:
# [19:10] <Jon47> "3 - Newbies can easily right click/view source and (maybe) learn a few things."
# [19:10] <zewt> you can always count on adobe to fragment browsers. heh
# [19:10] <paul_irish> VIEW SOURCE HAS A POSSE
# [19:10] <Michael> Adobe is also embracing HTML 5.
# [19:10] <Michael> And doing a good job from what I saw the other day
# [19:11] <Michael> Flash is just one solution and they agree that Flash has its place and Canvas has its place.
# [19:11] <zewt> so long as IE supports their API and not WebGL, the world suffers. heh
# [19:11] <Michael> After talking to them and watching their seminar I advocate what they do. They were really cool people and their upcoming stuff is going to be kick as
# [19:11] <Michael> kick ass
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# [19:12] <Michael> IE doesn't support their API. It supports the Flash plugin which will soon have 3D GPU support (already has video gpu)
# [19:12] <zewt> (sorry if I'm a little cynical regarding Adobe; if they do Good Works for a few years it'll attenuate)
# [19:12] <Michael> I think you'll be impressed with them over the next 12 months
# [19:12] <tw2113> IE will always march to their own drum
# [19:12] <tw2113> they think their way is always the best way
# [19:12] <zewt> ever drop cymbals down a flight of stairs? that may be the better analogy
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# [19:13] <Michael> Agreed, though I do give MS credit for adding the support they have into IE9. It's a huge step in the right direction.
# [19:13] <Michael> No WebGL but for what it has is unheard of historically for MS
# [19:13] <Michael> The fact they actually realized they needed to listen to the community or be washed away and took proactive steps is a good sign
# [19:13] <tw2113> the last great thing that i know they did...@font-face long before it became popular
# [19:14] <Michael> What about AJAX?
# [19:14] <Michael> I think we need to be more graceful with both Adobe and MS since they do seem to be listening now.
# [19:15] <danbeam> Michael: yup, they did come up with XMLHTTP, that was a good idea
# [19:15] <tw2113> the thing with IE is that they're still behind
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# [19:15] <tw2113> and their release cycle is going to have them behind for a long time
# [19:15] <Michael> Totally - but look at IE9 compared to other browsers compared to IE7
# [19:15] <danbeam> MS has never been bad, they've also just never felt a need to place nice with open standards - it's not really in their business model
# [19:15] <danbeam> play nice**
# [19:16] <zewt> that's part of what most people would describe as "bad" :)
# [19:16] <tw2113> if they were smart and really wanted to try to win back market share with IE, they'd also move to rolling releases
# [19:16] <Michael> I'm still waiting for the day when Apple is realized in the negative spotlight for being the new/old MS with their business methodologies
# [19:17] <tw2113> but at the same time, IE is mostly low end consumer browser
# [19:17] <Michael> Now Apple is saying "WE will decide what is good for our consumers" and people are actually backing them up which floors me
# [19:18] <tw2113> making them just as bad but with a bigger cult
# [19:18] <danbeam> Google decided what is good for customers by force updating bechind the scenes - don't see anybody complaining that they're browser's too fast or secure, ;)
# [19:18] <Michael> yep
# [19:18] <Jon47> the walled gardens of apple aren't comparable to the closed/propietary standards of IE, if you ask me
# [19:18] <danbeam> behind**
# [19:18] <zewt> i consider chrome's auto-update without permission that you can't disable horribly evil
# [19:18] <tw2113> Microsoft is closed souce software, Apple is closed source hardware
# [19:18] <zewt> (can't disable without jumping deliberately hidden hoops, that is)
# [19:18] <danbeam> zewt: yup
# [19:19] <Michael> danbeam, Chrome does not intentionally refuse Flash support. It's like being an adult and having your mom slap something out of your hand saying "You don't need that!"
# [19:19] <danbeam> tw2113: only reason Apple keeps Webkit open (I'd guess) is that the old code is licensed to GPL or whatever KDE was licensed as
# [19:20] <Michael> Maybe I do; maybe I don't - let me decide. Don't be the cyber bully and try to usurp the ideals of Microsoft from the 90s
# [19:20] <Michael> Anyway </rant>
# [19:20] <danbeam> Michael: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1523.gif
# [19:21] <zewt> well, it's not like "what's best for customers" is apple's underlying goal; it's what's best for Apple
# [19:21] <Michael> LOL
# [19:21] <Michael> classic
# [19:21] <zewt> (which is a reasonable goal for any company--but easily taken too far, of course)
# [19:22] <Michael> The sad thing is that we are the ones truly affected
# [19:22] <danbeam> zewt: just like Microsoft and IE
# [19:22] <zewt> it works fine when what's best for customers and the company are in alignment; it breaks down when they fall out of alignment
# [19:22] <Michael> And Steve Jobs is on our board of directors so it's not like I'm some Apple hater. I just call out bad practices when I see them
# [19:23] <danbeam> zewt: MS isn't about to let some random group of standards organizers tell them how to run their business / make their software -- unless there's a *real* reason to
# [19:23] <danbeam> zewt: those reasons (Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera) have sprung up over the years, ;)
# [19:23] <Michael> ANd they have taken a proactive (albeit late) stance with IE9
# [19:23] <Michael> The biggest problem is the fact that people will have IE7 for the next 10 years
# [19:24] <Michael> Or IE8
# [19:24] <danbeam> Michael: yup, because people don't see a value to upgrading and MS doesn't really encourage them to as hard as they could
# [19:24] <Michael> Correct
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# [19:25] <tw2113> and the mass amounts of people still on XP
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# [19:25] <zewt> danbeam: i'm not debating rationale--it's the end result that makes them "bad", regardless of the why
# [19:25] <tw2113> first it was getting them off of IE6, now it'll shift to getting them off XP
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# [19:25] <zewt> <- xp64
# [19:26] <tw2113> fedora 14 and xp32 when necessary
# [19:26] <Michael> Disney is aggressively moving people to Windows 7 which I like
# [19:26] <grantg> paul_irish: Can you update http://code.google.com/p/html5rocks/wiki/AudioLibraries ?
# [19:26] <Michael> Well - WD Parks and Resorts Online
# [19:26] <grantg> Since I released XAudioJS
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# [19:29] <tw2113> noooooooo grantg don't leave life!
# [19:29] <grantg> heh
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# [19:31] <grantg> hummm
# [19:31] <grantg> I think I need to expose the # of samples currently buffered to the web dev
# [19:31] <grantg> So the web dev isn't running blind
# [19:32] <grantg> well, the dev should be doing his/her own math
# [19:32] <grantg> :P
# [19:32] <grantg> tw2113: Tried it yet?
# [19:33] <tw2113> leaving life?
# [19:33] <tw2113> no
# [19:33] <danbeam> matjas: just disovered jsperf.com the other day, thanks for this, :) (inb4 "Dude, it's been there forever!" from everybody)
# [19:33] <tw2113> cramps my style
# [19:33] <danbeam> matjas: discovered**
# [19:33] <paul_irish> grantg: updated.
# [19:33] <grantg> k
# [19:33] <grantg> paul_irish: You should mess around with XAudioJS too
# [19:34] <paul_irish> i willlll
# [19:34] <paul_irish> danbeam: dude you're SO late to the party
# [19:34] <grantg> It basically lets you do cross-browser mozAudio and web audio
# [19:34] <paul_irish> well obvvviously ;)
# [19:34] <grantg> wraps both
# [19:34] <grantg> :P
# [19:34] <danbeam> paul_irish: I know
# [19:34] <tw2113> my favorite discovery of the past couple days was the QR code jquery plugin
# [19:34] <grantg> QR Code frenzy: WHY?
# [19:34] <danbeam> paul_irish: well, what's shitty is that I was writing my own bench lib
# [19:35] <danbeam> paul_irish: and they I found this and definitely /facepalm-ed
# [19:35] <paul_irish> qrcode is sooo 2000-and-late
# [19:35] <paul_irish> jQuery NFC plugin plz
# [19:35] <paul_irish> danbeam: ah good.
# [19:35] <grantg> paul_irish: The GBC emu definitely performs well in V8 again in chrome 12
# [19:35] <paul_irish> yeah benchmark.js is a beast. and jsperf is the perfect gui for it
# [19:35] <danbeam> paul_irish: yup
# [19:35] <paul_irish> grantg: woooooo
# [19:35] <grantg> Gotten it down to 14% CPU load for the CPU emulation in V8
# [19:36] <grantg> Most of the load is gfx
# [19:36] <grantg> chrome tolls your CPU cores with canvas
# [19:36] <grantg> go figure
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# [19:36] <grantg> it should be the opposite
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# [19:37] <grantg> but when there's no scaling of the canvas, CPU load can get under 20%
# [19:37] <grantg> In firefox it can hit 50%
# [19:38] <paul_irish> you mean like.. canvas is width=400 and then you just scaled it up to 800px in css or whatever, right?
# [19:38] <grantg> But once scaling is applied chrome slows hella lot and hits 100% CPU load
# [19:38] <grantg> paul_irish: It's a 160x144 canvas, scaling is applied by CSS
# [19:38] <grantg> stretches by fixed positioning
# [19:38] <grantg> to the corners of your browser
# [19:39] <grantg> but you can disable the stretching and make it 1:1 with no scaling in fullscreen mode
# [19:39] <zewt> i wonder how well creating a webgl texture and blitting it to a separate canvas would perform
# [19:39] <grantg> zewt: Poorly
# [19:39] <grantg> Too much texture overhead
# [19:39] <zewt> it *should* work fine, i'd say
# [19:39] <zewt> uploading a 160x144 texture is trivially fast
# [19:39] <grantg> I need to remove webgl-2d actually from it
# [19:40] <grantg> zewt: Not at 60 fps
# [19:40] <zewt> uploading a 640x480 texture is trivially fast, even, on desktop hardware of years ago
# [19:40] <zewt> sure it is
# [19:40] <grantg> zewt: The browser is too damn slow
# [19:40] <grantg> :/
# [19:40] <zewt> afk a min
# [19:40] <grantg> Unless you can donate some super-fast webgl code
# [19:40] <paul_irish> hm
# [19:40] <grantg> i have to re-upload every new frame
# [19:41] <grantg> and a frame is drawn every 17 ms
# [19:41] <paul_irish> i wonder if you scaled it to more defined values if it'd perform any better
# [19:41] <grantg> I think it could be the transfer from CPU-> GPU that could be slow for some reason
# [19:41] <zewt> i've used opengl to render 640x480 movies as a texture in a game for years
# [19:41] <grantg> like web worker overhead killing the GBC emu
# [19:41] <paul_irish> regardless i agree the scaling shoudl be faster
# [19:41] <paul_irish> aye
# [19:41] <paul_irish> what do you use workers for
# [19:41] <grantg> hence why I stopped using webworkers
# [19:41] <paul_irish> o
# [19:41] <paul_irish> :D
# [19:42] <grantg> I had to undo webworker support awhile back for the emu
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# [19:42] <paul_irish> i have a pretty clever worker example i wanted to show you
# [19:42] <zewt> (the movies are only 30 fps, but that's also a larger texture by a factor of 10 or so)
# [19:42] <grantg> zewt: GPUs are great at scaling
# [19:42] <zewt> right, that's why i suggested it
# [19:42] <grantg> It's getting the data to the GPUs that I think is the prob
# [19:43] <grantg> some kind of weird overhead
# [19:43] <zewt> that's fast, too--it won't be as fast as my video renderer (which is well-optimized) but for a 160x144 texture that doesn't matter
# [19:43] <grantg> zewt: Care to add a patch to the emu? :P
# [19:43] <zewt> if uploading a texture that size and rendering it to the browser window at 60Hz is very slow, that sounds like a bug
# [19:43] <paul_irish> grantg: http://paulirish.com/i/8a01.png uses blobbuilder to construct a worker on the fly, which gives you a lot more flexibility in defining it.
# [19:43] <zewt> sounds like a browser/webgl problem, though I'd have to see your code
# [19:44] <zewt> assuming you've tried it and it was slow, that is
# [19:44] <grantg> zewt: I gave up, tried to use webgl-2d, then shit still hit the fan
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# [19:44] <grantg> It'll have to start from scratch again
# [19:45] <zewt> i'll try making a quick test thing in a few minutes, just to see how it works
# [19:45] <grantg> Though firefox 4 has almost no overhead from scaling the image CPU-side
# [19:45] <zewt> eg. draw a few paths to a 2d canvas and blit via webgl
# [19:45] <grantg> while chrome busts a nut
# [19:45] <grantg> zewt: All I need is to do a putImageData clone for webgl
# [19:45] <grantg> and have webgl scale the FB
# [19:46] <grantg> Just passing data to the GPU
# [19:46] <zewt> just texImage2D(..., your2dCanvas), then blit to another canvas
# [19:46] <grantg> though it needs to be re-init'ed when the scaling changes
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# [19:47] <grantg> since webgl canvas should be 1:1 so the browser doesn't bust a nut with the webgl canvas
# [19:48] <grantg> so the 160x144 framebuffer should be uploaded, then scaled to the actual canvas dimensions
# [19:48] <grantg> I tried it, it busted a nut. :(
# [19:49] <zewt> you keep using that phrase, I don't think it means what you think it means </princessbride>
# [19:49] <grantg> zewt: qut
# [19:49] <grantg> Wut?
# [19:49] <paul_irish> wat
# [19:49] <grantg> wot?
# [19:49] <danbeam> WAT
# [19:50] <grantg> wỒt
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# [19:51] <grantg> ⓦⓤⓣ?
# [19:52] <danbeam> ¿ʇoʍ
# [19:52] <paul_irish> Last Call: Emotion Markup Language (EmotionML) 1.0
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# [19:52] <paul_irish> LAST CALL GUISE
# [19:52] <grantg> paul_irish: We need more unicode letters.
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# [19:53] <paul_irish> agreed
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# [19:53] <paul_irish> ?g ftrain unicode table for you
# [19:53] <bot-t> paul_irish, Unicode table for you - Ftrain.com - http://www.ftrain.com/unicode/
# [19:54] <grantg> A gold star for you
# [19:54] <grantg> ✰
# [19:54] <danbeam> Last Call: Emoticon Markup Language (EmoticonML :D), guise! (&ecstatic; -> :D)
# [19:54] <paul_irish> hahahha
# [19:54] <danbeam> paul_irish: &winky;
# [19:55] <paul_irish> actually sorry you're missing a DTD on your emoML
# [19:55] <grantg> Scantron test: begin
# [19:55] <grantg> #2 Pencil ✐
# [19:55] <danbeam> paul_irish: I was too upset to write it (for emoML, that is)
# [19:55] <grantg> If correct, we'll add a ✔
# [19:56] <paul_irish> haha
# [19:56] <paul_irish> god this syntax is so vomitous
# [19:56] <tw2113> i think the fact that the unicode heart or whatever made it into websters dictionary is
# [19:56] <paul_irish> <emotion id="emotion2" expressed-through="face voice">
# [19:56] <paul_irish> <category name="afraid" value="0.9"/>
# [19:56] <paul_irish> <appraisal name="suddenness" value="0.9"/>
# [19:56] <paul_irish> <appraisal name="intrinsic-pleasantness" value="0.1"/>
# [19:56] <paul_irish> </emotion>
# [19:57] <danbeam> paul_irish: yeah, I'm looking at it right now and agree with you
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# [19:57] <grantg> If you can't read, then: ⠻⠭⠙
# [19:57] <tw2113> damn, i'm not on a touch screen
# [19:57] <danbeam> paul_irish: <dimension name="arousal" value="0.3"/>
# [19:58] <danbeam> paul_irish: come on
# [19:58] <danbeam> paul_irish: that's not even subtle
# [19:58] <paul_irish> ahhaahha
# [19:58] <tw2113> subtlety is for the weak
# [19:58] <danbeam> hahahaha
# [19:58] <paul_irish> <dimension name="pleasure" value="0.9"/>
# [19:58] <danbeam> haha
# [19:58] <danbeam> so many possibilities this new functionality gives us
# [19:59] <paul_irish> i gotta write this down. this is perfect for the dirtytalk my gf wants
# [19:59] <danbeam> heh
# [19:59] <tw2113> i'm not sure if that's completely lame or if paul scored the prefect girlfriend
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# [20:02] <danbeam> paul_irish: this doesn't look particularly useful to me, but to each their own
# [20:03] <danbeam> paul_irish: (you asked for comments, :P)
# [20:06] <Michael> paul_irish, what's that for?
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# [20:06] <danbeam> Michael: http://www.w3.org/TR/emotionml/#s1.1
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# [20:07] <Michael> Oh it's for real? lol
# [20:07] <Michael> I could see it being used to control a 3D face
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# [20:08] <danbeam> Michael: tell mrdoob this and it might, lol
# [20:08] <Michael> who's mrdoob besides the guy saying bye to flash?
# [20:09] <paul_irish> ?slap Michael
# [20:09] * bot-t slaps Michael around a bit with a large trout
# [20:09] <paul_irish> go do your homework!
# [20:09] <Michael> ok
# [20:10] <Michael> okay he does webgl stuff
# [20:10] <paul_irish> wilderness downtown arcade fire vid was him
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# [20:11] <paul_irish> ?g mrdoob harmony
# [20:11] <bot-t> paul_irish, Harmony - http://mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/
# [20:11] <paul_irish> ?g mrdoob sketchpad
# [20:11] <bot-t> paul_irish, Mr.doob's blog | Multiuser Sketchpad - http://mrdoob.com/blog/post/701
# [20:11] <Michael> So who is he?
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# [20:11] <Michael> Tons of people do this stuff
# [20:11] <paul_irish> a spaniard that used to be in the flash scene
# [20:11] <paul_irish> but is now doing amazing things in html + js
# [20:11] <paul_irish> ?g three.js
# [20:11] <bot-t> paul_irish, mrdoob/three.js - GitHub - https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/
# [20:11] <Michael> cool :) Did that hurt you?
# [20:11] <Michael> Ohh ok I know three.js
# [20:12] <tw2113> http://pivotallabs.com/users/ken/blog/articles/1637-dropbox-git-designer-luv
# [20:12] <matjas> danbeam: hey, glad you like it!
# [20:12] <matjas> danbeam: (jsPerf)
# [20:13] <paul_irish> yah this workflow is hot, tw2113
# [20:14] <nimbupani> http://www.yottaa.com/url/html5boilerplate-com-4d78fadaabe5cb1d900000a5
# [20:14] <nimbupani> 20.8 SECONDS
# [20:14] <danbeam> matjas: yup, being testing almost everything I do now, lol
# [20:14] <danbeam> matjas: been*
# [20:15] <nimbupani> almost all of it is disqus! >:|
# [20:15] <matjas> woah nimbupani
# [20:15] <matjas> time to get rid of some bloat there :)
# [20:16] <matjas> less one-pager, moar hyperlinks
# [20:16] <nimbupani> its not h5bp matijsb! :(
# [20:16] <paul_irish> benv & antonkovalyov! :'(
# [20:16] <matjas> MATIJSB
# [20:16] <benv> yerp
# [20:16] <bot-t> (589 hours ago) <danheberden> tell benv - surprise, ie9 final fixed your bug
# [20:16] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, wat
# [20:16] <paul_irish> http://www.yottaa.com/url/html5boilerplate-com-4d78fadaabe5cb1d900000a5/page_load god
# [20:16] <bot-t> (169 hours ago) <nimbupani> tell antonkovalyov http://neilojwilliams.net/missioncreep/2010/more-on-disqus-and-accessibility/ if you did not know already!
# [20:16] <benv> lol
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# [20:16] <paul_irish> you've got mail!
# [20:16] <nimbupani> oh shit now there is another mati* person
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# [20:16] <paul_irish> matijsb: hey bro
# [20:16] <nimbupani> sorry I mean matjas
# [20:17] <digitalfiz> hey paul_irish you ever use Coda?
# [20:17] <matjas> matijsb <3
# [20:17] <paul_irish> no nevr. its probably nice tho
# [20:17] <digitalfiz> its very fancy
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what am i looking at
# [20:17] <nimbupani> so many stylessss antonkovalyov!
# [20:17] <nimbupani> and so many jsessss
# [20:17] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: at http://www.yottaa.com/url/html5boilerplate-com-4d78fadaabe5cb1d900000a5/page_load
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, paul_irish http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/fipwsjsc_bjw.png
# [20:17] <nimbupani> look at all the files being loaded on disqus!
# [20:17] <benv> hey man, google analytics takes 5 seconds
# [20:17] <benv> why are you looking at us
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> oh scroll down
# [20:17] <antonkovalyov> hahah
# [20:17] <paul_irish> the twenty million assets requested from mediacdn.disqus
# [20:18] <benv> oh yeah
# [20:18] <benv> you're using an older theme
# [20:18] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, remove custom styles
# [20:18] <benv> the newer one uses less image files
# [20:18] <nimbupani> WTH!
# [20:18] <nimbupani> whats the newer one!
# [20:18] <antonkovalyov> and you won't have to load styles.js
# [20:18] <paul_irish> can you guys update people using the old theme to an old theme that sucks less?
# [20:18] <paul_irish> hypothets?
# [20:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we can
# [20:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we can't
# [20:19] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: I haz no custom css
# [20:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we can't update people withouth them knowing
# [20:19] <antonkovalyov> it is an opt-in
# [20:19] <antonkovalyov> not like google shares your contacts with whole world via buzz :-P
# [20:19] <nimbupani> benv: how to get new theme?
# [20:19] <nimbupani> man its like paid and stuff
# [20:19] <nimbupani> :/
# [20:20] <tw2113> against better judgement, i just sent an email to a company that seems to do a lot with flash, inquiring if they're hiring or not
# [20:21] <benv> nimbupuani: ah but this one looks nice
# [20:21] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, paul_irish how old is this graph?
# [20:21] <nimbupani> oh wait early adopter feature benv
# [20:21] <nimbupani> j i enabled that
# [20:21] <nimbupani> recent!
# [20:21] <nimbupani> like now!
# [20:21] <nimbupani> fresh!
# [20:21] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, paul_irish http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/cnc9vis1p40t.png
# [20:21] <antonkovalyov> bs
# [20:21] <antonkovalyov> no styles.css there
# [20:21] <paul_irish> o.O
# [20:21] <nimbupani> :|
# [20:21] <benv> basically anton removed some of these requests
# [20:22] <benv> and this graph still says they're there
# [20:22] <antonkovalyov> a week ago
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# [20:22] <antonkovalyov> or two weeks ago
# [20:22] <antonkovalyov> or just after the big bang
# [20:22] <paul_irish> i dont know what UA yottaa sends
# [20:22] <benv> yeah
# [20:22] <benv> also iframe.css
# [20:22] <benv> i removed that
# [20:22] * paul_irish tries webpagetest
# [20:23] <benv> or did i ......
# [20:23] <paul_irish> webpagetest cuts off before the disqus loads. :(
# [20:24] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, why can't you use devtools or speed tracer?
# [20:24] <benv> also
# [20:24] <benv> it appears that i have to click 'load comments' to have the comments even load, no?
# [20:24] <benv> how can a speed test invoke them
# [20:25] <benv> i call shenanigans
# [20:25] <nimbupani> :/
# [20:25] <paul_irish> :\
# [20:25] <nimbupani> true dat
# [20:25] <antonkovalyov> sooo
# [20:25] <nimbupani> sorry benv it appears we have a rogue speed test on our hands.
# [20:25] <antonkovalyov> and no sorry antonkovalyov?
# [20:25] <antonkovalyov> i almost had a heart attack
# [20:25] <paul_irish> sorry benv.
# [20:25] <nimbupani> SORRY ANTONKOVALYOV
# [20:25] <paul_irish> fuck yottaa
# [20:26] <benv> i did so much spriting for you
# [20:26] <paul_irish> wow you typed all that by hand, divya?
# [20:26] <antonkovalyov> hahah
# [20:26] <benv> and this is how you repay me
# [20:26] <tw2113> good...no "sorry tw2113"
# [20:26] <paul_irish> srsly though should we switch to Houdini?
# [20:26] <tw2113> i didn't have anything to do with anything
# [20:26] <nimbupani> antonkovalyov: Мне очень жаль
# [20:26] <BrianBlakely> Whoa did something happen today?
# [20:26] <paul_irish> aww
# [20:26] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, :D
# [20:26] <antonkovalyov> nice
# [20:26] <BrianBlakely> Why is the channel so active?
# [20:26] <paul_irish> YES emoML hit last call, BrianBlakely!
# [20:26] <nimbupani> paul_irish: yeah i did!
# [20:27] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, yeah it is much better
# [20:27] <tw2113> we're a chatty bunch today BrianBlakely
# [20:27] <benv> paul_irish: i mean, it uses less images ... maybe 6 less, i imagine
# [20:27] <tw2113> we all had our coffee
# [20:27] <antonkovalyov> it looks better
# [20:27] <paul_irish> sweet
# [20:27] <paul_irish> okay thx
# [20:27] * BrianBlakely tosses hair
# [20:27] <BrianBlakely> My favorite of the MLs
# [20:27] <paul_irish> i feel this way about it: <dimension name="arousal" value="0.3"/>
# [20:28] * danbeam knows about it, it's no longer obscure enough. (Flips hair as well)
# [20:28] <nimbupani> that syntax arouses hate
# [20:28] * tw2113 dreams of the day of seeing <h2 class="hueylewisandthe">News</h2>
# [20:28] <nimbupani> more than anything.
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# [20:28] <paul_irish> benv: how is your friday going!?!
# [20:28] <paul_irish> :D
# [20:28] <danbeam> tw2113: lololol
# [20:28] <benv> otherwise fine
# [20:29] <nimbupani> awww
# [20:29] <benv> i'd give it a 7
# [20:29] <benv> 7/10
# [20:29] <nimbupani> i think we owe disqus guize some beers paul_irish
# [20:29] <benv> eh, nah
# [20:29] <paul_irish> yah
# [20:29] <tw2113> http://deathstarpr.blogspot.com/2011/04/death-star-was-my-idea.html
# [20:29] <benv> probably you'll get a new graph, and be like "wait, this sucks anyways"
# [20:29] <paul_irish> hahahaa
# [20:29] <benv> :)
# [20:29] <nimbupani> hahahahaa
# [20:31] <antonkovalyov> i am down for beers
# [20:31] <antonkovalyov> fuck you benv
# [20:31] <antonkovalyov> take it while you can
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# [20:35] <paul_irish> :D
# [20:35] <paul_irish> <3 disqus.
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# [20:38] <tw2113> i do like that the tweetdeck google app has added functionality
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# [20:40] <tw2113> json is pretty much the shizzle isn't it?
# [20:40] <tw2113> don't mind my dated lingo
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# [20:53] <Michael> http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/6292fb40-d773-430c-8e1f-8b505cc08076.jpg
# [20:53] <Michael> just.. lol
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# [20:57] <tw2113> any of you find value with Podcasts?
# [20:58] <digitalfiz> maybe back in the 10 years ago :P
# [20:58] <digitalfiz> maybe back 10 years ago*
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# [20:59] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: What else would I listen to at the gym?
# [20:59] <tw2113> i'm thinking about spending part of today catching up with The Big Web Show
# [20:59] <tw2113> lady gaga
# [20:59] <BrianBlakely> >_<
# [20:59] <tw2113> motivation "no i'm not!" for "born this way"
# [20:59] <tw2113> "i was not born out of shape!"
# [20:59] <BrianBlakely> I generally listen to yayQuery and gaming podcasts
# [21:01] <tw2113> i should re-invest in time for some
# [21:01] <BrianBlakely> I would kill for a good webdev podcast
# [21:01] <BrianBlakely> I think there's enough content for one
# [21:01] <BrianBlakely> A general one, that is
# [21:01] <BrianBlakely> You just need the right people
# [21:02] <BrianBlakely> Who are knowledgeable and have the wit to host a show
# [21:02] <tw2113> is yayquery update somewhat regularly?
# [21:02] <BrianBlakely> Nope!
# [21:02] <tw2113> they must be too busy being awesome in other ways
# [21:03] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: You should eventually follow through with an interview with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
# [21:03] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Be it on yayQ or another avenue
# [21:03] <paul_irish> he said he'd be on yayq
# [21:03] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: you listen to aminutewithbrendan?
# [21:04] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: I did not know there was such a thing
# [21:04] <BrianBlakely> http://www.aminutewithbrendan.com/
# [21:04] <tw2113> there, a couple from WPCandy, the last two Yayquery shows, and a bunch from The Big Web Show
# [21:05] <BrianBlakely> I used to have a show on Live365
# [21:05] <BrianBlakely> Anyone remember that?
# [21:05] <tw2113> i've heard of it
# [21:06] <BrianBlakely> Anyone could just start up a live internet radio show
# [21:07] <BrianBlakely> I had a couple thousand listeners at the peak, it was quite fun. It was a software show framed by egregious tomfoolery
# [21:08] <tw2113> i used to be big into podcasts around 2005-2007
# [21:08] <tw2113> i had a number of jobs that allowed for headphone use so i got a lot of time in
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# [21:08] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: Ever listen to 1Up Yours?
# [21:08] <BrianBlakely> (I dunno if you're a gamer or not)
# [21:08] <tw2113> nope
# [21:08] <tw2113> never fell prey to gaming
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# [21:10] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: Aw, don't talk about it like that :(
# [21:10] <tw2113> i tried Neverwinter Nights a couple of times
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# [21:11] <BrianBlakely> There's your problem! :P
# [21:11] <tw2113> or the solution
# [21:12] <BrianBlakely> PS: Instapaper + Share to Evernote > Bookmarking articles
# [21:12] <BrianBlakely> http://www.favbrowser.com/google-chrome-to-receive-scrolling-tabs/
# [21:12] <BrianBlakely> I am so over horizontal tabs...
# [21:13] <BrianBlakely> Why hasn't everyone just copied this wholesale: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
# [21:13] <nimbupani> opera lets you group tabs together.
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# [21:14] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: I know, Opera always has the best UI :)
# [21:15] <tw2113> i've been vocal about my love of opera mobile :D
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# [21:16] <BrianBlakely> I was all over Opera Mobile when Windows Mobile was big
# [21:16] <Michael> I loved it for BB
# [21:16] <Michael> But the droid browser hasn't given me any reasons to want to change it
# [21:16] <nimbupani> http://gyazo.com/a860f9f0120a8c3087fd4a9ef1f4b874.png
# [21:16] <Michael> I tried FF4/droid and wasn't that impressed
# [21:17] <tw2113> yeah, FF4 droid is a bit of a lag
# [21:17] <tw2113> not quite there yet
# [21:17] * Michael nods
# [21:19] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: :O
# [21:19] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Is that built-in?
# [21:19] <nimbupani> yeah
# [21:20] <digitalfiz> http://www.delorean.com/facebookspecial.html
# [21:20] <BrianBlakely> Do I dare… convert to Opera??
# [21:20] <tw2113> i can't manage to on desktop yet
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# [21:26] <miketaylr> you have some nerdy tabs open, nimbupani
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# [21:29] <nimbupani> hahaha miketaylr :P
# [21:30] <tw2113> are the tabs nerdy or is she nerdy while happening to have open tabs?
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# [21:32] <tw2113> just curious :D
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# [21:35] <nimbupani> its just some tabs :|
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# [21:38] <paul_irish> daleharvey: these docs are beautiful
# [21:38] <paul_irish> ( http://arandomurl.com/2011/04/02/jquery-couch-js-documentation.html & http://arandomurl.com/random/jquery.couch.js-docs/symbols/$.couch.html )
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# [21:40] <daleharvey> hah cheers, credit mostly goes to http://requirejs.org/ / Andy Chudd though
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# [21:43] <tw2113> so you admit to being nerdy nimbupani :D
# [21:43] <tw2113> i knew it!
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# [21:44] <zewt> nerdy people? on irc? :O
# [21:44] <nimbupani> haha
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# [21:50] <paul_irish> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/HTML.next
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# [22:05] <paul_irish> Open http://github.com in Chrome.. hit cmd-F and type "acc"
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# [22:13] <tw2113> boo! big web show website uses modernizr 1.6 which is the version that crashes one of my FF4 instances
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# [22:38] <techrush> on the htm5 boiler plate css i see this line: body { font:13px/1.231 sans-serif
# [22:39] <techrush> is this where i should set my font size for body or is it ok to overwrite it further down my css file
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# [22:41] <paul_irish> further down
# [22:41] <techrush> ok thanks
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# [23:02] <Misiur> Hello there
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# [23:06] <bakers> I'm trying to get a video to play in IE9 and not having any luck. Someone tell me when I'm missing
# [23:06] <bakers> http://www.perturb.org/tmp/video.html
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# [23:11] <moo-_-> bakers: does it play raw file from a direct link?
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# [23:13] <bakers> moo-_-: It launches some other player
# [23:13] <bakers> looks like media player
# [23:29] <jetienne> ie is ok with webm ?
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# [23:31] <moo-_-> jetienne: FF4 ok
# [23:31] <moo-_-> so I suspect it is just a bad file
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# [23:40] <bakers> I switched the order mp4 first, then webm and now it works fine
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# [23:43] <ajpiano> is there a way to hook into when browser validation on input type=email, etc fails ?
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# [23:44] <ajpiano> cc paul_irish
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# [23:46] <paul_irish> hmmm
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# [23:59] <paul_irish> i am not an expert on forms
# [23:59] <paul_irish> but miketaylr and ryanseddon and dilvie are.
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