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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 13 00:00:00 2011
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  4. # [00:00] <moo-_-> Zeddy: here:
  5. # [00:00] <moo-_-> http://mobilizejs.com/2011/03/20/android-webkit-xhr-status-code-0-and-expires-headers/
  6. # [00:00] <moo-_-> in my case it seems to be a bug in the implementation
  7. # [00:01] <moo-_-> but it could be also XSS issue - Allow-origin-access header missing
  8. # [00:02] <Zeddy> im actually trying the same in Qt webkit :p
  9. # [00:02] <Zeddy> it works the first 2000 ajax calls or so
  10. # [00:02] <Zeddy> then it fails
  11. # [00:02] <Zeddy> http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?222564-Qt-Webkit-bridge-thousands-of-ajax-calls
  12. # [00:02] <Zeddy> just made a forum post of it
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  16. # [00:03] <Zeddy> do you think my problem could be related to the one you had?
  17. # [00:03] <moo-_-> Zeddy: no
  18. # [00:04] <moo-_-> it was in android java source code
  19. # [00:04] <moo-_-> Zeddy: in your case I suspect Nokia
  20. # [00:04] <moo-_-> they have a bug
  21. # [00:04] <Zeddy> yeah but we have the same problem in webkit on separate platforms
  22. # [00:04] <moo-_-> hmm
  23. # [00:04] <Zeddy> im just thinking, could ur random number parameter solve my problem
  24. # [00:05] <Zeddy> that would be insane, i've been struggling with this like crazy
  25. # [00:05] <moo-_-> try it
  26. # [00:05] <moo-_-> nothing is insane after IE6
  27. # [00:05] <Zeddy> haha :p
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  29. # [00:09] <Zeddy> do i need to handle the Math.random() in my PHP code or is it enough to just have it there?
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  31. # [00:11] <grantg> PHP lol
  32. # [00:11] <grantg> anyone good with js should be good at php
  33. # [00:12] <Zeddy> huh?
  34. # [00:12] <Zeddy> i am good with PHP
  35. # [00:13] <grantg> sometimes though, I think people overuse strstr. :P
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  62. # [01:08] <daleharvey> oh crpa, almost ran out of time to book jquery conf
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  64. # [01:14] <Yoofie> anyone know how to achieve in place menu sliding? something like iphone menus
  65. # [01:14] <Yoofie> like on this site http://www.iade.pt/pt/creative-university.aspx
  66. # [01:14] <Yoofie> check out the navigation
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  77. # [01:35] <paul_irish> ahahahahh https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649408
  78. # [01:36] <danbeam> yeah, just saw that in #yui
  79. # [01:37] <danbeam> it's ironic as I was just asking what the keyword "native" meant today
  80. # [01:38] <danbeam> paul_irish: also this - http://twitter.com/#!/codepo8/status/57916554381242370
  81. # [01:38] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/haxMiC @codepo8: Yo, #Microsoft - heard you like open formats and #HTML5 so I converted your @ie IE10 video for you: http://vid.ly/8g3m2u #formatchoice
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  85. # [01:41] <grantg> Peter`: oh fuck * infinity
  86. # [01:41] <grantg> webkit ran my mac out of memory
  87. # [01:42] <grantg> from defaulting to my data uri method of outputting audio
  88. # [01:42] <grantg> seems the quicktime process went all the way to 3 GB
  89. # [01:42] <grantg> O_O
  90. # [01:42] <grantg> that needs a fixin'
  91. # [01:43] <grantg> webkit nightly leaks memory like a waterfall on the emu for sure
  92. # [01:43] <grantg> samw with chrome it seems
  93. # [01:43] <grantg> but chrome just locks up when trying to quit it
  94. # [01:44] <grantg> same bug from a long time ago
  95. # [01:44] <grantg> just worse now
  96. # [01:46] <grantg> omfg
  97. # [01:46] <grantg> screenshot coming
  98. # [01:46] * danbeam waits in eager anticipation - omg numbers in an image
  99. # [01:49] <grantg> danbeam: http://i.imgur.com/4aDz2.png
  100. # [01:49] <grantg> Free: 8.5 MB ಠ_ಠ
  101. # [01:50] <danbeam> it was everything I wished and more
  102. # [01:50] <grantg> lolwut
  103. # [01:50] <grantg> webkit steals the memory leakage award away from firefox + more
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  105. # [01:51] <grantg> :/
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  108. # [01:52] <danbeam> paul_irish, is a star - http://functionsource.com/#/post/ie10-microsoft-continues-to-show-progress (mentioned everywhere today!)
  109. # [01:52] <grantg> what?
  110. # [01:53] <grantg> IE10 alredy?
  111. # [01:53] <grantg> *already
  112. # [01:53] <grantg> You mean to tell me they're not taking 5 year breaks between versions now?
  113. # [01:53] <danbeam> grantg: Firefox is also coming out with 5 soon as well
  114. # [01:53] <grantg> heh
  115. # [01:54] * danbeam is shocked that anybody learned new tricks at this point
  116. # [01:54] <grantg> meanwhile: Google Chrome 65536 is coming out
  117. # [01:54] <danbeam> grantg: exactly
  118. # [01:54] <grantg> ;D
  119. # [01:55] <grantg> they're gonna need to use more decimal incrementation rather than full above-floating-point incrementation
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  123. # [01:57] <danbeam> grantg: that's why I use git - a SHA1 on your first commit looks substantially cooler than rev 1
  124. # [01:58] <grantg> U MAD?: http://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/gomp2/firefox_has_lost_the_memory_hog_award_to/
  125. # [01:58] <grantg> heh
  126. # [01:59] <zewt> well, ff4 uses 2-3x as much memory as 3.6 in my experience, so ... heh
  127. # [02:00] <zewt> ff3.6 hovered around 300-400 megs; ff4 starts at 700+ megs and i've seen it around 1.5 gigs
  128. # [02:00] <grantg> lol
  129. # [02:00] <grantg> webkit crash
  130. # [02:00] <grantg> ran my VM out
  131. # [02:00] <zewt> tracking down why is not a project I'm about to get into
  132. # [02:00] <zewt> webkit is very very leaky for a browser widely used on mobile
  133. # [02:00] <zewt> eg. the whole dynamic-img leak
  134. # [02:00] <grantg> heh
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  136. # [02:01] <grantg> not to mention the WAV PCM exploit still applies. <_<
  137. # [02:02] <zewt> i loaded chrome in a 512mb XP VM, scrolled around Google Maps for a couple minutes and crashed the tab (and sometimes the browser, iirc)
  138. # [02:02] <grantg> It was leaking at 15 MB a second
  139. # [02:02] <zewt> when you can crash Google's browser using one of Google's flagship products, something is amiss
  140. # [02:03] <grantg> memoryleak: HIGH FIVE
  141. # [02:03] <zewt> googlefight: google vs. google
  142. # [02:03] <grantg> zewt: yup
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  144. # [02:04] <zewt> not strictly Chrome's fault (same thing happens in iOS browser and Android browser, so it's a webkit thing)
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  265. # [07:20] <gavacho> if im gonna build a site on html5boilerplate is there a script loader that i should prefer? ala head.js
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  274. # [07:25] <paul_irish> gavacho: yepnope.js
  275. # [07:26] <gavacho> thanks!
  276. # [07:29] <gavacho> oh modernizr has it integrated already?
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  281. # [07:40] <paul_irish> gavacho: basically\
  282. # [07:41] <paul_irish> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features_List#Platform
  283. # [07:44] <paul_irish> https://wiki.mozilla.org/DevTools/Features/Highlighter scroll down
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  294. # [08:10] <niftylettuce> ?fpi
  295. # [08:10] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
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  315. # [08:58] <trave> anyone familiar with the css3 border-image: property?
  316. # [08:59] <trave> im hoping to find a simple solution to overflow the test within the elements box container, out over the border-image :]
  317. # [08:59] <trave> er, text, not test...
  318. # [09:02] <trave> nm, this looks like a good page: http://www.rwe-uk.com/blog/comments/ichat_like_speech_bubbles_with_css_3/
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  323. # [09:25] <paul_irish> this cannot be the most suitable markup for this map http://www.kalyani.com/2010/10/subway-map-visualization-jquery-plugin/
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  359. # [11:10] <qom2> I have a canvas on a page of mine, I want to have the size depend on the size of the actual browser, as I've understood I can't just use % like with css, how do I solve it?
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  361. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> qom2, you can make the size depend on the size of the browser, if you don't mind it being pixelated
  362. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> Otherwise, I think you really want SVG
  363. # [11:11] <qom2> hm
  364. # [11:12] <qom2> I don't really just want to scale it
  365. # [11:12] <qom2> https://clickrex.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/resize-a-canvas-to-fit-window-size-in-jquery/
  366. # [11:12] <qom2> found this
  367. # [11:12] <qom2> could that work?
  368. # [11:13] <Ms2ger> Sure
  369. # [11:13] <Ms2ger> It will also clear the canvas every time
  370. # [11:13] <qom2> right
  371. # [11:13] <qom2> :(
  372. # [11:13] <Ms2ger> So you'd have to keep around everything you painted
  373. # [11:13] <Ms2ger> And at that point, you're reimplementing SVG
  374. # [11:14] <Ms2ger> (Without the insane features)
  375. # [11:14] <qom2> yeah, exactly, I'm a noob, so don't really want to dig into the hardcore stuff
  376. # [11:15] <qom2> basically I have canvas which I want the user to be able to select a bgcolor and move around a text that is resizeable
  377. # [11:15] <qom2> got any tips and tricks?
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  403. # [12:09] <beevi7> anyone here having any good screencast software suggestions for windows? free would be great but not a must
  404. # [12:12] <memoryleak> I don't use it, but heard only good stuff about Camtasia from TechSmith
  405. # [12:15] <memoryleak> there is a free alternative to it by the same company called jing with integration to their screencast service
  406. # [12:19] <beevi7> i'll take a look. thank you :)
  407. # [12:19] <beevi7> other alternatives, anyone? ;)
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  412. # [12:43] <moo-_-> has someone seen the latest Adobe HTML5 tools yet?
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  427. # [13:12] <bLUEEE> when using animation on canvas, is this a "standard" way: http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/advanced/html5-canvas-animation-stage/
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  464. # [15:31] <Michael> Wow. We're losing one of our best devs to Youtube
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  473. # [15:48] <louisremi> Does anyone know if Chrome ask to user for permission when a website wants to store files in the application cache?
  474. # [15:53] <jetienne_> q. how to detect if firefox support webgl ? !!window.WebGLRenderingContext return true even if webgl is not available... im trying around document.createElement('canvas').getContext('experimental-webgl') but no success so far
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  476. # [15:55] <Michael> jetienne_, Are you in the webgl email group?
  477. # [15:55] <jetienne_> Michael: nope
  478. # [15:56] <Michael> if (window.WebGLRenderingContext) { } usually
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  480. # [15:56] <Michael> Or so I thought
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  484. # [15:58] <Michael> jetienne_, look at this thread: https://www.khronos.org/webgl/public-mailing-list/archives/1012/msg00263.html
  485. # [15:58] <jetienne_> Michael: yeah but doesnt work on chrome10 and ff4
  486. # [15:58] <jetienne_> Michael: looking
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  488. # [15:59] <s0urd> whats a good converter to convert wmv to mpeg4?
  489. # [15:59] <Jon47> louisremi I don't know off-hand - never been prompted to opt-in to it - but i've got chrome right here if you want to point me to a site with cache-manifest and I'll tell you what happens
  490. # [16:00] <jetienne_> Michael: this one seems close try { var support = !!document.createElement('canvas').getContext('experimental-webgl'); }catch(e){ var support = false}; console.log("support", support);
  491. # [16:00] <Jon47> s0urd, good tutorial on web video here: http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html, lists a bunch of options
  492. # [16:00] <Michael> Yeah looks like there is no defacto standard for webgl
  493. # [16:01] <louisremi> Jon47: Can you give this Web page a try? http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/todo/
  494. # [16:01] <Michael> jetienne_, Check out Modernizr's WebGL test: http://www.modernizr.com/
  495. # [16:01] <louisremi> I have Chrome as well but I might have clicked "allow forever" or something
  496. # [16:01] <Jon47> louisremi - no prompt for permission, and I can confirm that the resources did get cached
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  498. # [16:01] <louisremi> Good, thank you
  499. # [16:02] <Jon47> np
  500. # [16:02] <Jon47> maybe there's a setting in the config that changes it, but if there is I haven't touched it, this is basically the default configuration
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  502. # [16:03] <jetienne_> Michael: doesnt seem good https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js#L375
  503. # [16:04] <Michael> aha
  504. # [16:05] <Michael> jetienne_, Good explanation though
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  508. # [16:07] <jetienne_> Michael: yep. https://gist.github.com/917600 the one i will use
  509. # [16:08] <Michael> nice
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  516. # [16:18] <Azra-el> hello all.. is this tthe appropriate place to be asking a canvas question? im dying here :)
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  520. # [16:23] <Azra-el> can you make canvas see through? at least in some parts of it? like i wanna be able to see the divs that are behind it
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  523. # [16:24] <kadiks_> sure Azra-el there is no default background color on canvas
  524. # [16:24] <kadiks_> just do not draw where you want it transparent
  525. # [16:25] <Azra-el> ok .. but.. if i draw something .. can i substract from it ? and make it transparent again?
  526. # [16:26] <Azra-el> for example... im trying to modify the ambilight thingy .. i dont know if u know it... a video embedded that generates left and right 2 canvases filled with a linera gradient top bottom based on colors sampled from the edge of the video...
  527. # [16:26] <kadiks_> clearRect() method should be what you need
  528. # [16:27] <Azra-el> the problem is that in order to make it look like "lights" coming out of a screen... the maker just put an alpha png on top of the canvas and it only works if in the background of the page u have a constant color
  529. # [16:28] <Azra-el> clearRect() .. ist here a clearShape?
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  531. # [16:30] <kadiks_> don't know about that (does not mean no)
  532. # [16:30] <kadiks_> have you checked the doc ?
  533. # [16:30] <kadiks_> spec*
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  535. # [16:34] <Azra-el> maybe im doing something wrong.. but if i use clearRect() it clears the space but .. its left blank .. black.. not red as is the body background color :((
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  538. # [16:39] <kadiks_> pastebin your code
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  540. # [16:40] <kadiks_> I won't be able to help you much anyway :-/
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  543. # [16:48] <qom2> http://persturesson.com/lagom/ - is it hard to get text instead of a green box?
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  562. # [17:23] <alcuadrado> Hi there, I once read that there is no need to use a cointainer to center a site, that it can be done with the body, is it right?
  563. # [17:24] <nimbupani> yes you can alcuadrado
  564. # [17:25] <alcuadrado> and it works in oldIE?
  565. # [17:25] <Jon47> it sure does
  566. # [17:27] <alcuadrado> cool
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  578. # [17:44] <alcuadrado> Can you give me your opinion about how to create the HTML for this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/287771/ilundain/tierra.jpg Specially the "wooden" menu, which goes beyond the "container"
  579. # [17:48] <paul_irish> louisremi: fairly sure we never prompt for permission to use appcache
  580. # [17:48] <louisremi> way to go
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  583. # [17:51] <Jon47> alcuadrado, in this case you may need a container. You could probably accomplish it also with absolutely positioned elements.. or negative margin-left..
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  587. # [17:54] <alcuadrado> Jon47, I was trying negative margine-left, but the right side isn't shown complete
  588. # [17:55] <alcuadrado> never mind
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  590. # [17:55] <alcuadrado> my error in the css width
  591. # [17:55] <Jon47> yeah you'd have to probably set the width explicitly in that case
  592. # [17:55] <Jon47> good luck with it, it's a nice design
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  594. # [17:57] <alcuadrado> thanks
  595. # [17:57] <Michael> alcuadrado, I see 4 divs stacked.. header, nav, content, footer
  596. # [17:58] <Michael> as long as they're all positioned with margin: 0 auto it should look fine if the nav is wider
  597. # [17:58] <Jon47> oh yeah michael's got the right idea
  598. # [17:58] <Jon47> and just put padding or margin on the left/right of all the elements except the nav
  599. # [17:58] <alcuadrado> yeah, that should work :)
  600. # [17:58] <Michael> jk use tables.
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  609. # [18:12] <BrianBlakely> Protip: Cmd+Alt+? opens the keyboard shortcut help menu in Chrome Dev Tools :O
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  616. # [18:34] <matijsb1> Nice BrianBlakely but how do you get rid of it again other than reopening the Dev Tools? :)
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  637. # [19:10] <paul_irish> hi Tom___!!!!
  638. # [19:10] <Tom___> Hi
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  655. # [19:27] <phrearch> hello
  656. # [19:28] <phrearch> anyone here ever tried to make a wysiwym editor within a contenteditable?
  657. # [19:28] <phrearch> im currently creating a collab text editor with remote carets. i wonder if there are some references out there i could use
  658. # [19:29] <phrearch> currently it works quite ok, but it could need some optimalization
  659. # [19:30] <Tom___> No sorry
  660. # [19:30] <BrianBlakely> matijsb: Press escape (sorry, was AFK)
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  663. # [19:32] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish/nimbupani: Why no mobile optimizations in h5bp (IE cleartype, touch-icon resolutions, MQ helpers)?
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  665. # [19:34] <nimbupani> its in mobile h5bp BrianBlakely
  666. # [19:34] <matijsb> BrianBlakely: o dear, that easy huh :) I was pressing the same combo again, never occurred to me to hit esc
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  668. # [19:38] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Well, I know, but that's specifically for mobile-centric apps, delivered via a redirect or some specific distribution pipeline (e.g. App Store). Seems other apps should mix in some mobile goodies and cater to those devices as well.
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  670. # [19:40] <DudeNess> Any idea why ff4 cant play an mp3 file when it comes out perfectly in chrome/ie9/safari?
  671. # [19:40] <DudeNess> using <audio>
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  673. # [19:41] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: it is not just for mobile-centric apps
  674. # [19:42] <nimbupani> its for any website that looks to specifically optimize for mobile browsers
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  676. # [19:43] <nimbupani> BrianBlakely: http://groups.google.com/group/html5boilerplate/msg/0f0a95b7841fdebb
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  679. # [19:44] <Jon47> dudeness, I think the only audio firefox can play out of the box is theora
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  681. # [19:45] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Oh, my mistake. So it's the h5bp, plus mobility
  682. # [19:45] <Jon47> more: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Media_formats_supported_by_the_audio_and_video_elements
  683. # [19:45] <DudeNess> just found a link to the MDN... apparently firefox can only play OGG and WAV.. wow that sucks lol
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  686. # [19:46] <DudeNess> so now i have to go making ogg copies of dozens of files... lovely..
  687. # [19:46] <tw2113> webm, mp4, ogg should pretty well cover everyone, with ogg being the optional one
  688. # [19:46] <tw2113> at least for the video
  689. # [19:46] <nimbupani> yep BrianBlakely
  690. # [19:47] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: Cool :D
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  692. # [19:47] <BrianBlakely> Who is making video content that doesn't support IE<9?
  693. # [19:48] <tw2113> mp4 would be supported
  694. # [19:48] <BrianBlakely> Chrome's <video> player sucks, no fullscreen...
  695. # [19:48] <BrianBlakely> So, Flash for that
  696. # [19:49] <tw2113> that's the other one
  697. # [19:49] <BrianBlakely> IE<9 have no <video>
  698. # [19:49] <BrianBlakely> Flash for that
  699. # [19:49] <DudeNess> lol mozilla wont go the extra mile to support mp3.. but chrome/safari/ie9 will.. (oops.. forgot these guys are backed by $$$$)
  700. # [19:49] <tw2113> i was thinking file format only
  701. # [19:49] <BrianBlakely> Safari doesn't support WebM, but Firefox does
  702. # [19:49] <BrianBlakely> So, Flash for those
  703. # [19:50] <tw2113> safari would get mp4
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  705. # [19:50] <tw2113> last i knew
  706. # [19:50] <BrianBlakely> I guess you could serve MP4 to IE9/Saf and FLV to everyone else
  707. # [19:50] <BrianBlakely> I've never seen IE9's <video> player
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  709. # [19:51] <tw2113> i wonder if thats why i don't bother with video yet
  710. # [19:51] <tw2113> about as fragmented as android
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  715. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> Chrome is going to drop mp3, no?
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  717. # [19:53] <BrianBlakely> Ms2ger: I believe so, they're dropping MP4, so do those go hand-in-hand?
  718. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> I hope so
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  721. # [19:58] <DudeNess> chrome's dropping mp3 and mp4? o.O
  722. # [19:59] <kadiks> what is the extension for a webM file ?
  723. # [19:59] <tw2113> i think just webm
  724. # [19:59] <kadiks> ok cool
  725. # [20:00] <kadiks> what a mess these video & audio tag... another way for Flash to stay on top :-/
  726. # [20:00] <tw2113> for now
  727. # [20:00] <kadiks> this issue is not going to be solved anytime soon
  728. # [20:00] <tw2113> like i said, for now :D
  729. # [20:01] <tw2113> I'm arrogant enough to skip the flash version if it's a personal project
  730. # [20:01] <kadiks> tw2113, according to you, who should bend over ? Apple or Google ?
  731. # [20:01] <tw2113> obviously if it's client stuff, i'd have to utilize
  732. # [20:01] <tw2113> personally, i'd like to see Ogg succeed
  733. # [20:02] <kadiks> this is over
  734. # [20:02] <tw2113> yay! stalemate
  735. # [20:02] <kadiks> and webM is better from what Opera, Moz & Google say, no ?
  736. # [20:03] <tw2113> i haven't explored enough to judge which has better quality
  737. # [20:04] <tw2113> video is something on my really long todo list
  738. # [20:04] <kadiks> but between webM & mp
  739. # [20:04] <kadiks> 4*
  740. # [20:04] <tw2113> i'd probably side more with webm
  741. # [20:05] <tw2113> it's an open source thing :D
  742. # [20:05] <kadiks> I think otherwise...
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  744. # [20:05] <kadiks> but Google already implemented it in previous version of Chrome & Android. They retreat just for the show
  745. # [20:06] <kadiks> without saying that mp4 has penetrated the market
  746. # [20:07] <tw2113> myspace penetrated the market once too
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  748. # [20:08] <tw2113> same with real audio/real video :D
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  750. # [20:10] <kadiks> there is hardware involved with mp4, it's not the case with webM (yet, before they support it only webM in Android)
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  754. # [20:11] <kadiks> Android, iOS and new BB devices have hardware acceleration (or something like that) to read mp4. Not the case for webM. But you're right an update would solve the problem for old devices
  755. # [20:11] <kadiks> still, there is no reason why Apple should bend over. Google has more reason to
  756. # [20:12] <tw2113> and neither will for as long as they can
  757. # [20:12] <kadiks> so, in this case, this is an opportunity for Flash to stay on the long term (and not just "for now")
  758. # [20:13] <kadiks> without talking about native 3D support
  759. # [20:13] <tw2113> "for now" has no set time frame but i know what you're saying too
  760. # [20:13] <tw2113> too many people heralded html5 as the flash killer and made it sound like flash would be gone completely within a year or two
  761. # [20:14] <zewt> probably matters more for video than audio--it's a lot more expensive for a site like YouTube to have N*M encodes for every video than with audio
  762. # [20:14] <zewt> (N formats, M bitrates)
  763. # [20:14] <kadiks> no I would have thought not before 5 years. But when you look at Flash & Javascript... this is no brainer, Flash is here to stay, it does so many more thing than JS
  764. # [20:14] <DudeNess> the ogg format/standard seems better than mp3
  765. # [20:15] <kadiks> DudeNess, and webm vs ogg ?
  766. # [20:15] <zewt> well, that's uncontroversial
  767. # [20:15] <zewt> (vorbis vs. mp3)
  768. # [20:15] <tw2113> if it can only be done in flash, is it really needed?
  769. # [20:16] <zewt> kadiks: by "webm vs. ogg" you mean "webm vs. theora", I assume
  770. # [20:16] <tw2113> darn containers
  771. # [20:16] <kadiks> support for webcam & microphone for augmented reality is quite important (for some people)
  772. # [20:17] <tw2113> oh yeah, that augmented reality stuff
  773. # [20:17] <kadiks> you must be right zewt, I don't know that in details. Thanks
  774. # [20:17] <DudeNess> if they go head to head, mp3 caps at 320kbps.. while ogg caps at 400kbps
  775. # [20:17] <zewt> that's not how you compare audio codecs, heh
  776. # [20:18] <DudeNess> in terms of size, ogg is smaller..
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  778. # [20:18] <zewt> you mean "at the same quality"
  779. # [20:18] <DudeNess> right
  780. # [20:19] <tw2113> "Audiophiles are people who listen to the audio equipment, not the music."
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  782. # [20:20] <DudeNess> no wonder google dropped mp4.. they own webm
  783. # [20:21] <phrearch> kadiks: there is a device api patch in the webkit bugtracker, made by ericsson
  784. # [20:21] <zewt> (note that encoding efficiency, aka audio quality, has very little to do with people's selection and support of codecs in the real world)
  785. # [20:21] <phrearch> https://labs.ericsson.com/developer-community/blog/beyond-html5-peer-peer-conversational-video
  786. # [20:21] <phrearch> that is going to be part of webkit i think
  787. # [20:21] <phrearch> browser-browser comms and udp support
  788. # [20:22] <phrearch> still, flash is very powerful for a lot of things that html5 cant do yet
  789. # [20:22] <phrearch> but its changing slowly, which is a good thing imo
  790. # [20:24] <phrearch> closed source is sooo nineties :)
  791. # [20:25] <phrearch> i liked the direction adobe went with flex. was hoping it would go fully opensource, but they also need to make money i guess
  792. # [20:25] <phrearch> that ide should have been fully open
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  794. # [20:25] <phrearch> anyway, back to work
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  798. # [20:27] <phrearch> i think flash and html5 can live together nicely
  799. # [20:27] <phrearch> especially with the adobe air/flex stuff and the animation toolkits in flash
  800. # [20:27] <phrearch> on the other hand, html5 feels more flexible :)
  801. # [20:30] <zewt> heh you know
  802. # [20:31] <zewt> if adobe had simply gone to whatever lengths it needed to make it so flash doesn't steal all keyboard input when focused, and integrated input more properly with browsers, I'd have cared about flash's problems 1/10th as much
  803. # [20:31] <zewt> the #1 problem with flash (and the acrobat reader plugin) is having a flash widget focused, hitting alt-d or control-pgup or F5 and nothing happens
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  847. # [21:37] <zewt> don't suppose anyone knows off-hand if there's a CSS property in Firefox (standard or -moz-) to prevent a GIF from animating
  848. # [21:37] <zewt> (cursing these obnoxious animated favicons)
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  850. # [21:40] <tw2113> easier way...kill the people that use them
  851. # [21:41] <zewt> as much as I'd like to kill DHL
  852. # [21:41] <zewt> http://dhl-usa.com/ <- seriously
  853. # [21:42] <tw2113> painful site to view
  854. # [21:43] <zewt> worst color scheme imaginable
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  900. # [23:04] <James> hello
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  909. # [23:35] <danielfilho> so sad mobile webkit doesn't have input[type=range] :(
  910. # [23:36] <danielfilho> hello Guest4816
  911. # [23:36] <danielfilho> :D
  912. # [23:36] <danielfilho> paulrouget: saw your tweet about ie10, so sad
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  915. # [23:42] <paul_irish> v
  916. # [23:42] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/fake_dean
  917. # [23:42] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/f34ksi @fake_dean: Good to see our friends from Mozilla taking Native HTML5 seriously. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649408
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  930. # [23:59] <Guest4816> hola
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