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  16. # [00:33] <tw2113> aye, paul_irish electricpulp got another magazine feature
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  21. # [00:48] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
  22. # [00:48] <antonkovalyov> wat :)
  23. # [00:50] <tw2113> no legitimate reason
  24. # [00:50] <tw2113> you were just the first person in here to come to mind
  25. # [00:52] <antonkovalyov> haha
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  272. # [10:50] <Zeddy> anyone have any good pointers on how to build a html5 web application which is capable of downloading files from the web and then using them in offline mode?
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  288. # [11:30] <stenno> hello, i have multiple canvases in my webpage, and i am using one to create a linearGradient object, can i draw this gradient only to the canvas i used to created it or is it a "standalone" object that i can draw on any canvas?
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  290. # [11:30] <stenno> create
  291. # [11:30] <stenno> with canvas i mean the context of the canvas of course :0
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  293. # [11:33] <robhawkes> stenno: I've not actually tried moving a gradient from one canvas to another, but I'm pretty sure that it's tied to the 2d rendering context that it was created with. This means you wouldn't be able to transfer it between canvasses.
  294. # [11:33] <robhawkes> Have you tried it?
  295. # [11:33] <stenno> robhawkes, i see, thank you!
  296. # [11:33] <stenno> no
  297. # [11:33] <stenno> let me try
  298. # [11:34] <robhawkes> That's always the best way to see if it works. My gut says it won't, but you never know ;)
  299. # [11:36] <stenno> thats true
  300. # [11:36] <stenno> but astonishingly (is there such a word? :[) it works, i can draw a gradient on any canvas
  301. # [11:37] <stenno> not just the one i created it with
  302. # [11:37] <robhawkes> Wow, that's interesting
  303. # [11:37] <stenno> i can make a little pasty with the test code, just a second
  304. # [11:37] <robhawkes> Sure, thank you :)
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  306. # [11:39] <stenno> that is the code i used: http://pastebin.com/u3R8HRSd
  307. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> The spec states
  308. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> This is because CanvasGradient objects are canvas-neutral — a CanvasGradient object created by one canvas can be used by another, and there is therefore no way to know which is the "element in question" at the time that the color is specified.
  309. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> So I guess it's expected
  310. # [11:41] <robhawkes> Ms2ger: Good old spec. Seems weird that you have to create it from a specific context though
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  312. # [11:42] <stenno> Ms2ger, i should read the specs more :)
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  315. # [11:42] <Ms2ger> :)
  316. # [11:43] <robhawkes> stenno: In all honesty, the spec is definitely the best place to go to be sure about a feature. I should have looked there first, really. :P
  317. # [11:43] <stenno> hehe
  318. # [11:43] <stenno> next time, i will look into the specs and if i still can't figure out stuff i come here to ask :P
  319. # [11:43] <stenno> thanks again! :)
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  351. # [13:21] <mari> Hi, how are you
  352. # [13:21] <mari> i hace a problema with audio tag and size
  353. # [13:22] <mari> have**
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  358. # [13:40] <stenno> mari, what problem is that?
  359. # [13:40] <mari> hi stenno
  360. # [13:40] <stenno> hi
  361. # [13:40] <mari> http://lamanchahh.com/audiohtml5.gif
  362. # [13:41] <mari> this is a video screen with the problem
  363. # [13:41] <mari> tag audio html5 go down when i play it
  364. # [13:41] <mari> sorry for my english
  365. # [13:41] <stenno> i see
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  368. # [13:42] <mari> the code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1206662
  369. # [13:42] <stenno> if you can, post your markup, css and javascript to jsfiddle.net
  370. # [13:42] <stenno> ah!
  371. # [13:42] <stenno> :)
  372. # [13:43] <stenno> no markup, no css?
  373. # [13:43] <mari> only this
  374. # [13:43] <mari> is a test
  375. # [13:43] <stenno> let me test it myself
  376. # [13:43] <mari> thank you stenno
  377. # [13:43] <stenno> btw, what browser are you using?\
  378. # [13:43] <mari> firefox 4
  379. # [13:43] <stenno> i see
  380. # [13:43] <mari> in ubuntu
  381. # [13:43] <stenno> ok
  382. # [13:47] <stenno> mari, i can reproduce that with ff4
  383. # [13:47] <stenno> lets see how we can fix this
  384. # [13:47] <mari> i see it
  385. # [13:48] <stenno> it works as expected if you remove preload=none
  386. # [13:48] <stenno> kinda
  387. # [13:49] <mari> if i remove preload none, does ogg charge if the application is in internet?
  388. # [13:49] <stenno> it seems that the object gets larger if you are loading, as it displays this spinner
  389. # [13:49] <stenno> charge?
  390. # [13:49] <stenno> as in money?
  391. # [13:49] <mari> load, sorry
  392. # [13:49] <stenno> ah!
  393. # [13:50] <mari> are there other kind for solve this?
  394. # [13:50] <stenno> uhm
  395. # [13:51] <stenno> i don't think so, i think its a problem with the audio implementation from firefox
  396. # [13:52] <mari> ok
  397. # [13:52] <mari> thank you very much for your time
  398. # [13:52] <stenno> it works well in chrome, regardless of the preload
  399. # [13:52] <stenno> no problem
  400. # [13:53] <mari> ok
  401. # [13:53] <stenno> i think it will preload on default, with the exception of ipod/ipad ... they have some restrictions on autoplay
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  412. # [14:22] <stenno> mari, i did not have the problem when i set the width and height via css; i set it to height: 100px, width: 70px and it worked as expected
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  420. # [14:38] <mari> thank you stenno , i probe it
  421. # [14:38] <stenno> kk, tell me if it worked
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  424. # [14:40] <mari> this: <div style="height: 100px; width: 70px"> <audio src="musiquita/musica.ogg" controls="" preload="none"></audio>
  425. # [14:40] <mari> </div>
  426. # [14:40] <mari> not function for me
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  428. # [14:41] <mari> no works for me, sorry
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  432. # [14:46] <stenno> mari, try to write the style=".." part directly to the audio tag
  433. # [14:47] <stenno> that is the body of my page, and it works for me in ff4:
  434. # [14:47] <stenno> <audio src="la.ogg" style="height:100px;width:70px" controls="controls" preload="none"></audio>
  435. # [14:47] <stenno> obviously you have to change the src value :)
  436. # [14:48] <mari> oh
  437. # [14:48] <mari> thank you very much
  438. # [14:48] <mari> this works fine
  439. # [14:49] <stenno> but even though it works, it is still very ugly :( i wonder what the ff people thought
  440. # [14:49] <mari> very fine
  441. # [14:49] <stenno> cool!
  442. # [14:49] <mari> in bugzilla there are various bugs about this
  443. # [14:49] <stenno> i see
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  456. # [15:04] <mari> thank you very much stenno, again
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  460. # [15:08] <mari> the problem is that exist a "margin-top" of 100px - size width of player
  461. # [15:09] <mari> if you want put content up, bad thing
  462. # [15:10] <stenno> ooh i see!!
  463. # [15:12] <stenno> well thats kinda stupid imho
  464. # [15:12] <mari> position: absolute; :)
  465. # [15:14] <stenno> >_> :D
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  476. # [15:51] <davidmurdoch> Applying Blur to CSS Elements with CSS (http://blog.vervestudios.co/blog/post/2011/04/15/Applying-Gaussian-Blur-to-HTML-elements-with-CSS.aspx)
  477. # [15:55] <mari> davidmurdoch: you have the same surname that ian murdoch of debian
  478. # [15:56] <mari> it's very nice efect blur davidmurdoch
  479. # [15:57] <davidmurdoch> ...and the officer in charge the night the Titanic sank. haha
  480. # [15:57] <davidmurdoch> its really just a hack, I'd like to see it done in SVG, but I couldn't get it to work.
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  492. # [16:10] <davidmurdoch> :-) moo-_-, thanks. Hopefully my next blog post won't be titled `Sinking the Titanic, an in depth article for why you shouldn't use GoDaddy hosting`.
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  532. # [17:44] <artenix> Hi everybody
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  534. # [17:44] <artenix> TABLE does exist on HTML*... what about TREE?
  535. # [17:45] <mikesusz> little Bobby Tables
  536. # [17:45] <mikesusz> that's what we call him.
  537. # [17:45] <artenix> heh
  538. # [17:46] <artenix> I can make a treetable on my own, but I'm wondering if there are something on HTML(5)
  539. # [17:48] <Michael> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#header-and-data-cell-semantics
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  541. # [17:50] <artenix> tnx Michael
  542. # [17:50] <Michael> Np
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  544. # [17:55] <artenix> I was thinking about a treetable (http://designinginterfaces.com/firstedition/index.php?page=Tree-Table). I mean, I could make a regular table, and css text-indent the text in the first column, but... I think that's ugly. Even better, it does not help to screen readers to understand the tree portion of the treetable.
  545. # [17:55] <artenix> any suggestion?
  546. # [17:56] <Michael> Yes. Use a table with a UL inside the first cell
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  552. # [18:00] <Ar-ras> hi
  553. # [18:01] <Ar-ras> is it possible to add text to a canvas pattern?
  554. # [18:03] <artenix> Michael: rowspanning the first cell, like this? https://sites.google.com/site/pruebanuevolayout/treetable
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  556. # [18:04] <Ar-ras> does anybody worked with canvas so far?
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  558. # [18:04] <artenix> not me
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  578. # [18:36] <Ar-ras> what methods does the canvasPattern Object has?
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  586. # [18:54] <Zeddy> so, i gather that local storage is useless for mobile devices if i have more then 5MB of data?
  587. # [18:55] <shichuan> experiment with easel.js http://www.blog.highub.com/canvas/experiment-with-ticker-in-easel-js/
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  589. # [18:56] <davidmurdoch> Zeddy, you may be able to deflate compress before storing in localStorage (https://github.com/dankogai/js-deflate) though it may be too slow of a process on mobile devices
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  655. # [20:35] <nOStahl> with canvas and draggable icons and such, you have to assign a specific spot they can be dropped?
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  657. # [20:35] <nOStahl> or is it possible to make it so you could drag and drop them anywhere on the screen?
  658. # [20:35] <nOStahl> similar to a desktop
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  669. # [21:07] <benv> html5 party people
  670. # [21:08] <benv> do you think it's a crime to use data-* attributes like so? data-some-long-argument="..."
  671. # [21:08] <benv> vs, say, data-someLongArgument
  672. # [21:08] <benv> given that one can access data-* attributes via elem.dataset.someLongArgument
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  676. # [21:12] <zewt> heh... console.log(element.dataset) crashes the tab in chrome, apparently
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  685. # [21:20] <mari> does exist support already for microphone and webcam?
  686. # [21:21] <zewt> benv: well, that's the point
  687. # [21:21] <zewt> it's rather strange for a web API to automatically munge strings like that (a bit of a Rails-ism, i think), but it's there
  688. # [21:23] <danielfilho> mari: we''re near it :)
  689. # [21:23] <danielfilho> mari: http://my.opera.com/core/blog/index.dml/tag/getUserMedia
  690. # [21:23] <danielfilho> there's more here: http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2011/03/23/webcam-orientation-preview
  691. # [21:23] <Peter`> The Web Audio API is now also available in Chrome (Canary) for Windows :)
  692. # [21:24] <Peter`> Mac has been available for quite a while now, I *think* that Mac should also work but I'm unable to test that
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