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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 23 00:00:01 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:01] <niftylettuce> :)
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  13. # [00:06] <BrianBlakely> Let's play the "How should I mark this up?" game!
  14. # [00:07] <BrianBlakely> A list of function links "Add to Favorites", "Print This", "Rate This"
  15. # [00:07] <BrianBlakely> Mark up with a <ul> or leave as a sequential bunch o' <a>s?
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  19. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> No time for talk!
  20. # [00:14] <BrianBlakely> Sequential links it is.
  21. # [00:17] <paul_irish> ?g developers.whatwg menu element
  22. # [00:17] <bot-t> paul_irish, 4.11 Interactive elements HTML5 Edition for Web Developers - http://developers.whatwg.org/interactive-elements.html
  23. # [00:17] <tw2113> robhawkes just saw the nettuts post and the first 2 commenters missed the task
  24. # [00:18] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: just kidding i guess. sequential anchorssss
  25. # [00:19] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: My work is being planted inside of another template that is 4.01 transitional
  26. # [00:20] <BrianBlakely> Thanks for the tip, though~!
  27. # [00:20] <paul_irish> and validation is important?
  28. # [00:20] <BrianBlakely> I haven't used <menu> yet
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  30. # [00:20] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Well, no, but it feels weird :P
  31. # [00:20] <paul_irish> it looks like its not appropriate in this case
  32. # [00:20] <paul_irish> i put <video> and <aside> in xhtml1 all the time
  33. # [00:20] <paul_irish> :D
  34. # [00:20] <paul_irish> FUCK 'EM
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  36. # [00:21] <BrianBlakely> I feel like such a prude
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  42. # [00:23] <tw2113> paul_irish you rebel!
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  58. # [00:34] <BrianBlakely> Someone needs to make a JavaScript framework for science and scientists
  59. # [00:34] <BrianBlakely> Someone, not me
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  62. # [00:34] <BrianBlakely> Well, maybe
  63. # [00:34] <BrianBlakely> I'd do it
  64. # [00:34] <BrianBlakely> I'll do it
  65. # [00:35] <paul_irish> \o/
  66. # [00:36] <BrianBlakely> Luckily I am having dinner with several physicists this evening
  67. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> Tally ho, Web Knights of Darkness
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  85. # [01:11] <tw2113> fail! my hometown has yet to have any FF4 downloads
  86. # [01:22] <niftylettuce> any good java channels on irc?
  87. # [01:22] <niftylettuce> android dev channel?
  88. # [01:23] <paul_irish> ?slap niftylettuce
  89. # [01:23] * bot-t slaps niftylettuce around a bit with a large trout
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  97. # [01:39] <digitalfiz> paul_irish, yt?
  98. # [01:39] <paul_irish> .
  99. # [01:39] <digitalfiz> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9463387/chrome-fail.png
  100. # [01:40] <digitalfiz> i got the sad face on the console lol
  101. # [01:41] <paul_irish> it happens sometimes
  102. # [01:41] <paul_irish> its a webapp
  103. # [01:41] <paul_irish> if you can repro it consistently in dev channel
  104. # [01:42] <paul_irish> i'd love to get a bug filed
  105. # [01:42] * digitalfiz punches it in the face
  106. # [01:42] <digitalfiz> ill play with it
  107. # [01:42] <digitalfiz> its 12.0.741.0 (82059)
  108. # [01:42] <digitalfiz> i download a nightly every few days if i remember
  109. # [01:42] <digitalfiz> i like bleeding edge
  110. # [01:43] <paul_irish> sweet
  111. # [01:43] <paul_irish> well
  112. # [01:43] <paul_irish> repro and ticket that shizzz
  113. # [01:43] <digitalfiz> absolutely
  114. # [01:46] <digitalfiz> so i integrated html5bp into my last codeigniter project :D
  115. # [01:46] <tw2113> w00t
  116. # [01:47] <digitalfiz> i havent used the build script yet but i may see how well it does on a fun project im doing this weekend
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  126. # [02:24] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: is these a bug?
  127. # [02:24] <paul_irish> ?slap niftylettuce
  128. # [02:24] * bot-t slaps niftylettuce around a bit with a large trout
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  130. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: test message
  131. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> oh, thought it was an auto response lol
  132. # [02:25] <niftylettuce> QQ
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  151. # [03:28] <niftylettuce> ?slap niftylettuce
  152. # [03:28] * bot-t slaps niftylettuce around a bit with a large trout
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  157. # [03:33] <tw2113> self abuse isn't cool niftylettuce :P
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  179. # [04:13] <uf0> i've been meaning to ask
  180. # [04:13] <uf0> what's the point of using RGB in CSS
  181. # [04:13] <uf0> which isn't supported everywhere
  182. # [04:13] <uf0> when you can use hex
  183. # [04:13] <uf0> the colors will still be identical
  184. # [04:13] <uf0> am i wrong here?
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  189. # [04:28] <JRowe> http://www.ambiera.com/copperlicht/documentation/tutorials/demos/tutorial6/index.html
  190. # [04:28] <JRowe> is there a way to fix the mouse position (without taking control away from the user) in such a way to allow a first person camera to be used?
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  192. # [04:31] <JRowe> a java applet that takes control of the mouse is the only idea I've seen that could potentially be used, but something like that is destined to wreak havoc
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  207. # [04:54] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gvfry/you_know_youre_at_a_developer_conference_when/
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  217. # [05:24] <digitalfiz> <script>window.jQuery || document.write("<script src='js/libs/jquery-1.5.1.min.js'>\x3C/script>")</script>
  218. # [05:25] <digitalfiz> is the \x3C a typo?
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  225. # [05:35] <snover> digitalfiz: no
  226. # [05:35] <snover> that’s just one of 9000 ways of pretending the html parser from thinking you are trying to close the containing script tag
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  239. # [06:07] <digitalfiz> snover, why not just use <?
  240. # [06:07] <snover> think about it for a minute.
  241. # [06:07] <snover> you’ll get it.
  242. # [06:08] <digitalfiz> i dont know if i know enough to get it lol
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  245. # [06:18] <digitalfiz> is it an old browser thing?
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  343. # [12:19] <arpit> How much time does it take for phonegap people to review an app and put it on their site ?
  344. # [12:25] <arpit> Sorry, wrong room.
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  453. # [18:08] <paul_irish> suppppp
  454. # [18:09] <uf0> paul_irish: what's the advantage of RGB over HEX besides using alpha
  455. # [18:09] <uf0> they're still identical in color
  456. # [18:10] <Ms2ger> Nothing
  457. # [18:10] <uf0> so why use it, especially if it isn't supported everywhere (IE)
  458. # [18:10] <paul_irish> ^ . only adv is you like base 10 numbers more than base 16
  459. # [18:10] <paul_irish> because you want alpha.
  460. # [18:10] <paul_irish> if you dont want alpha, no reason.
  461. # [18:11] <paul_irish> (assuming you're supporting IE8)
  462. # [18:11] <uf0> cool, i wanted to make sure i wasn't missing anything in that regard
  463. # [18:11] <paul_irish> if you're not supporting IE8, i'd use HSL right off the bat
  464. # [18:11] <uf0> anyone who isn't supporting IE is dumb.
  465. # [18:11] <uf0> ie8 especially
  466. # [18:11] <paul_irish> oooh sometimes you have a project with a very limited audience
  467. # [18:11] <uf0> :)
  468. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> Or so deep into this business that they only get non-IE visitors
  469. # [18:11] <paul_irish> most of my sites get <5% IE.. incl ie8 and ie9
  470. # [18:11] <uf0> must be limited to devs only
  471. # [18:12] * Ms2ger wonders about whatwg.org
  472. # [18:12] <uf0> paul_irish: that's probably because your sites are targetted to smart devs, am i wrong
  473. # [18:12] <paul_irish> that's the idea, at least. heh
  474. # [18:12] <uf0> paul_irish: my point exactly
  475. # [18:12] <uf0> majority of folks are dumb
  476. # [18:12] <uf0> which = IE8
  477. # [18:13] <uf0> which is why folks should support it
  478. # [18:13] <paul_irish> uf0: you can also do a fallback.. background-color: #rrggbb; background-color: hsla( 234, 55%, 30%, 0.5);
  479. # [18:13] <paul_irish> and progressively enhance with alpha
  480. # [18:13] <uf0> true.
  481. # [18:14] <uf0> i also wonder
  482. # [18:14] <uf0> css3 has two new things coming up
  483. # [18:14] <uf0> for layouts
  484. # [18:14] <uf0> one is flexbox
  485. # [18:14] <uf0> and the other is grid layout
  486. # [18:14] <uf0> i'm wondering which one will take over
  487. # [18:14] <niftylettuce> \o
  488. # [18:14] <niftylettuce> peaceout
  489. # [18:14] <uf0> pz
  490. # [18:14] <niftylettuce> happy holid@ys
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  492. # [18:15] <uf0> versus float: lefts
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  496. # [18:17] <paul_irish> they have their advantages..
  497. # [18:17] <paul_irish> there is a revision on flexbox in the wings
  498. # [18:17] <paul_irish> so thats the one that'll get implemented everywhere
  499. # [18:18] <paul_irish> so essentially both will hit all browsers at around the same tim
  500. # [18:18] <paul_irish> e
  501. # [18:18] <uf0> both as in
  502. # [18:18] <uf0> grid and flex?
  503. # [18:18] <paul_irish> ya
  504. # [18:18] <paul_irish> but they will both not have a good fallbackstory
  505. # [18:18] <uf0> so imagine
  506. # [18:18] <uf0> them being more used like 4 years maybe?
  507. # [18:19] <uf0> i say 4 years
  508. # [18:19] <uf0> because that's when I think IE7 will be gone
  509. # [18:20] <paul_irish> perhaps
  510. # [18:20] <paul_irish> there is a polyfill for flexbox
  511. # [18:20] <paul_irish> iunno.
  512. # [18:20] <uf0> which one you think will be used more for layout though flex or grid?
  513. # [18:20] <uf0> in your opinion
  514. # [18:22] <paul_irish> ummmmm
  515. # [18:22] * paul_irish shrugs
  516. # [18:22] <uf0> cool.
  517. # [18:23] <uf0> btw the guy who figured out -webkit-appearance: textfield;
  518. # [18:23] <uf0> genius :)
  519. # [18:23] <uf0> had an issue with that yesterday
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  521. # [18:23] <uf0> i'm loving <input type="search" placeholder="Search">
  522. # [18:23] <uf0> life is great with that
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  524. # [18:25] <paul_irish> why do you like that style?
  525. # [18:25] <paul_irish> because you can style it?
  526. # [18:25] <uf0> yea of course
  527. # [18:25] <uf0> i was trying to add padding
  528. # [18:25] <paul_irish> then why use type=search
  529. # [18:25] <uf0> didn't work
  530. # [18:25] <uf0> and um.. inset shadow
  531. # [18:25] <uf0> why because in both chrome and safari
  532. # [18:26] <uf0> you get the nice X button
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  534. # [18:26] <uf0> and i'm sure FF will one day have that
  535. # [18:26] <uf0> so why not?
  536. # [18:27] <uf0> and then I just like the way it looks from a code perspective lol, just personal taste
  537. # [18:27] <paul_irish> aiiiiiight :)
  538. # [18:27] <tw2113> FF vs Chrome?
  539. # [18:27] <uf0> by the X button i mean close button pops up when typing
  540. # [18:27] <uf0> i like both, but I use FF more
  541. # [18:28] <uf0> pretty much because of firebug
  542. # [18:28] <uf0> and all my dev tools
  543. # [18:28] <uf0> chrome is nice though, def faster
  544. # [18:28] <tw2113> at the end of the day, i don't care which of the two you use as long as it's not IE
  545. # [18:28] <uf0> no fuck IE
  546. # [18:29] <uf0> but anyone who doesn't support it as I said before is effed as well ;)
  547. # [18:29] <tw2113> but an extra point if you use Opera
  548. # [18:29] <uf0> heh who uses Opera
  549. # [18:29] <uf0> ?
  550. # [18:29] <uf0> no one....
  551. # [18:29] <tw2113> their core team and that's about it apparently
  552. # [18:29] <mike5w3c> I use Opera
  553. # [18:30] * tw2113 feels sad for Opera
  554. # [18:30] <uf0> mike5w3c: you're alone there
  555. # [18:30] <paul_irish> i like opera
  556. # [18:30] * Dorward has Opera installed on some of the TV's he has at the office
  557. # [18:30] <tw2113> i wager i could name 5-6 users
  558. # [18:30] <Dorward> s/'//
  559. # [18:30] <uf0> get with the cool guys: chromsy, ff
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  561. # [18:30] <paul_irish> uf0: i got some devtools stuff coming out that'll blow your mind
  562. # [18:31] <mike5w3c> uf0: I didn't say I didn7t use chrome or firefox
  563. # [18:31] <mike5w3c> plus, I like being alone
  564. # [18:31] <uf0> mike5w3c: true
  565. # [18:31] <tw2113> mike5w3c, molly holzschlag, bruce lawson, paul_irish, another friend of mine in a different IRC room
  566. # [18:31] <uf0> and I also like being alone fyi
  567. # [18:31] <tw2113> we're developers, we're alone if we like it or not
  568. # [18:31] <paul_irish> >_>
  569. # [18:31] <tw2113> ok i'll stop with the dev stereotyping
  570. # [18:31] <paul_irish> uf0: pm. sexychat.
  571. # [18:32] <uf0> paul_irish: if you can just make the way you add styling in chrome
  572. # [18:32] <uf0> like in ff it'll be nice
  573. # [18:32] <paul_irish> we did that
  574. # [18:32] <uf0> so I don't have to type
  575. # [18:32] <mike5w3c> uf0: what's you favorite strain of cannabis?
  576. # [18:32] <uf0> line-height:
  577. # [18:32] <paul_irish> we did that.
  578. # [18:33] <uf0> hmmm..
  579. # [18:33] <uf0> let me try again
  580. # [18:33] <paul_irish> :)
  581. # [18:33] <uf0> you're right, that wasn't like that before
  582. # [18:33] <uf0> ok one more..
  583. # [18:34] <uf0> those check boxes should be on the left
  584. # [18:34] <uf0> right next to property
  585. # [18:34] <uf0> i know sometimes folks don't want to copy of other folks
  586. # [18:34] * psynaptic is now known as psynaptic|away
  587. # [18:34] <uf0> but that's the most UI friendly way :)
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  590. # [18:34] <paul_irish> what we'll probaby do
  591. # [18:35] <paul_irish> is add some hover background color
  592. # [18:35] <paul_irish> so it's easier to match them up
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  596. # [18:36] <uf0> alright cool, that'll be nice
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  599. # [18:40] <paul_irish> http://simonsarris.com/blog/322-canvas-drawtext-considered-harmful
  600. # [18:41] <Ms2ger> http://meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html
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  607. # [18:44] <paul_irish> :)
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  610. # [18:50] <mike5w3c> ah man, http://simonsarris.com/blog/322-canvas-drawtext-considered-harmful is solid gold
  611. # [18:53] <mike5w3c> maybe somebody should write an essay called "'Standardista' considered harmful.
  612. # [18:54] <mike5w3c> Ms2ger: ↑
  613. # [18:56] <mike5w3c> "Metaphorical Bomb Defusal"
  614. # [18:56] <mike5w3c> dude is great
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  644. # [20:02] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, "Standards that reflect reality considered harmful", maybe?
  645. # [20:02] <Ms2ger> I'd volunteer Julian
  646. # [20:04] <mike5w3c> no comment :)
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  650. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, you're wiser than me :)
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  652. # [20:07] <uf0> who's Julian
  653. # [20:07] <uf0> ?
  654. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> Let's not go there
  655. # [20:08] <_uf0> does he = good or bad?
  656. # [20:08] <_uf0> :)
  657. # [20:11] <Ms2ger> I'd say our points of view on some subjects are pretty far apart
  658. # [20:12] <uf0> got it, may I ask
  659. # [20:12] <uf0> what's one of them?
  660. # [20:12] <uf0> html/css related
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  663. # [20:23] <boaz> do any of you all use compass or sass?
  664. # [20:23] <bot-t> (45 hours 10 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell boaz can you kill this somehow? http://www.meetup.com/ria-15/events/16223621/?a=mc1_grp&rv=mc1 with fire?
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  666. # [20:23] <nimbupani> i do boaz
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  668. # [20:24] <boaz> nimbupani: do you use the blueprint module?
  669. # [20:24] <boaz> paul_irish: wtf, that is weird.
  670. # [20:24] <nimbupani> no >_>
  671. # [20:24] <paul_irish> ya
  672. # [20:24] <paul_irish> shrug
  673. # [20:24] <boaz> the bp module doesn't support new elems
  674. # [20:24] <nimbupani> OH?
  675. # [20:24] <nimbupani> you could try susy? https://github.com/ericam/compass-susy-plugin
  676. # [20:25] <boaz> nimbupani: do you use susy?
  677. # [20:26] <boaz> ugh, i don't like this whole mixing my grid styles in my css stuff
  678. # [20:26] <nimbupani> boaz: i dont use any frameworks for grud :|
  679. # [20:26] <boaz> I like putting grid classes in my html
  680. # [20:26] <nimbupani> grid*
  681. # [20:26] <nimbupani> woah what :|
  682. # [20:26] <boaz> srsly
  683. # [20:26] <boaz> it's so much easier than repeating the mixin in the css
  684. # [20:26] <boaz> moar adhoc/quicker
  685. # [20:27] <paul_irish> grids are gross, imho
  686. # [20:27] <boaz> paul_irish: what about when you have to make a grid...
  687. # [20:27] <nimbupani> ?hi5 paul_irish
  688. # [20:27] <bot-t> ⁵ paul_irish
  689. # [20:27] <paul_irish> when do i have to make one
  690. # [20:27] <nimbupani> yeah boaz why do you need it?
  691. # [20:27] <boaz> content heavy page
  692. # [20:27] <nimbupani> how many patterns of grids are used anyway at the most.
  693. # [20:28] <boaz> 4
  694. # [20:28] <boaz> prolly 4 or 5
  695. # [20:28] <boaz> blueprint is like 100 lines
  696. # [20:28] <boaz> worth it
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  698. # [20:29] <nimbupani> 100 lines! so many
  699. # [20:30] <nimbupani> it is not that difficult e.g. like this http://leaverou.me/2011/01/styling-children-based-on-their-number-with-css3/
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  701. # [20:33] <boaz> nimbupani: yeah, that's nice when you have new psuedo selectors
  702. # [20:33] <boaz> im still supporting IE8
  703. # [20:33] <boaz> :(
  704. # [20:33] <nimbupani> sure you can do something similar with normal selectors too
  705. # [20:34] <nimbupani> as long as you have a classname to identify the parent of the floated elements
  706. # [20:34] <boaz> I've written my own grid before.
  707. # [20:34] <boaz> if the layout is not grid heavy, I'll write my own
  708. # [20:34] <boaz> but... when it's grid heavy, and grids within grids, and all that, I use BP
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  715. # [20:46] <paul_irish> boaz: congrats on the innovationdistrict writeup
  716. # [20:47] <paul_irish> got your cock all over the news
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  723. # [20:53] <k_89> http://pastebin.com/yM2QS0Qj ... hi, can someone tell me why this is not working, this is a test code, the "alert('here')" on line 17 works on all lines b4 the createObjectURL one
  724. # [20:53] <k_89> chrome's console doesn't show any error but when i click the upload button, i see a few lines of error, but then the page changes
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  729. # [21:00] <k_89> so checked a little, i get this error on line 18 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method '
  730. # [21:00] <boaz> lol paul_irish
  731. # [21:00] <boaz> yeah
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  735. # [21:04] <paul_irish> CANOT CALL METHOD
  736. # [21:04] <paul_irish> k_89: in scripts tab
  737. # [21:04] <paul_irish> very bottom. click the pause button twice so its purple
  738. # [21:05] <paul_irish> then do it again and click the upload button
  739. # [21:05] <paul_irish> and it'll break on the line where it does
  740. # [21:05] <paul_irish> huh.. window.URL is gone in my chrome devchan
  741. # [21:05] <paul_irish> WHERED YOU GO
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  743. # [21:06] <k_89> paul_irish .. so chrome doesn't have window_URL
  744. # [21:06] <k_89> ??
  745. # [21:06] <k_89> 'm here
  746. # [21:06] <paul_irish> not in chrome dev channell....
  747. # [21:06] <paul_irish> ummmm
  748. # [21:06] <paul_irish> it was here..
  749. # [21:06] <paul_irish> OH
  750. # [21:06] <paul_irish> prefixed
  751. # [21:06] <paul_irish> k_89: see www.chromestatus.com
  752. # [21:06] <paul_irish> As of M10, the call is prefixed under window.webkitURL.createObjectURL().
  753. # [21:07] <k_89> paul_irish, so is there any other way to read files of the file input in chrome
  754. # [21:07] <k_89> ohhh...
  755. # [21:07] <k_89> thanx
  756. # [21:07] <paul_irish> np
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  773. # [21:56] <uf0> paul_irish: or anyone, in h5bp
  774. # [21:56] <uf0> I notice <header> has no unique ID
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  776. # [21:56] <uf0> wouldn't it be a good a idea to have one, since header or footer can be used multiple times?
  777. # [21:57] <uf0> something like <header id="main_header">
  778. # [21:57] <uf0> maybe i'm wrong, but curious to anyone's take on that
  779. # [21:58] <tw2113> what's stopping you?
  780. # [21:58] <uf0> nothing is stopping me.
  781. # [21:58] <tw2113> i apply classes when needed
  782. # [21:59] <uf0> I'm asking this for h5bp
  783. # [21:59] <uf0> as a generic template
  784. # [21:59] <tw2113> ah
  785. # [21:59] <tw2113> ids and classes in h5bp would remove the generic-ness
  786. # [21:59] <uf0> tw2113: <div id="main">
  787. # [21:59] <uf0> could be plain old <div>
  788. # [22:00] <uf0> so this is what i mean.
  789. # [22:00] <tw2113> *shrugs*
  790. # [22:01] <uf0> yea.. like for example right now in a site I have i'm using plain old <header>
  791. # [22:01] <uf0> i'm thinking to myself.. hmm
  792. # [22:02] <paul_irish> we aint adding an id
  793. # [22:02] <paul_irish> ?cc
  794. # [22:02] <bot-t> CASE CLOASED >: |
  795. # [22:02] <paul_irish> uf0: oh btw my comp crashed and didnt get a chance to read what you said
  796. # [22:02] <paul_irish> reading now
  797. # [22:02] <uf0> all good..
  798. # [22:02] <tw2113> i figure the div#main is the "container" so to speak to hold it all
  799. # [22:02] <uf0> yea I'm not advocating to add it
  800. # [22:02] <paul_irish> i actually prefer using classes ALWAYS
  801. # [22:03] <paul_irish> and kill IDs
  802. # [22:03] <paul_irish> nowadays
  803. # [22:03] <uf0> i see..
  804. # [22:03] <paul_irish> finally came over to the nicole sullivan side of things
  805. # [22:03] <tw2113> *nods* i won't argue that point
  806. # [22:03] <tw2113> classes are reusable
  807. # [22:03] <paul_irish> so we'll probably change id=main sometime
  808. # [22:03] <paul_irish> nah
  809. # [22:03] <uf0> paul_irish: in a project i'm working on, i need advice
  810. # [22:03] <uf0> do I leave the main <header>
  811. # [22:03] <paul_irish> its mostly the specificity argument
  812. # [22:03] <uf0> plain old or add a id/class
  813. # [22:04] <paul_irish> leaving it plain old is nice
  814. # [22:04] <uf0> in case some other dev wants to add a header element elsewhere
  815. # [22:04] <paul_irish> espec if you can write selectors for it
  816. # [22:04] <paul_irish> but
  817. # [22:04] <paul_irish> if you need to add something go with a class
  818. # [22:04] <paul_irish> you can do .container > header
  819. # [22:04] <paul_irish> if you wannnnnt
  820. # [22:04] <paul_irish> that's a fast selector, too
  821. # [22:04] <uf0> ahh, very true
  822. # [22:04] <uf0> that works in IE7?
  823. # [22:04] <paul_irish> ya
  824. # [22:04] <uf0> :), that's the best solution
  825. # [22:04] <uf0> going with that
  826. # [22:04] <tw2113> i seem to get > to work, but for some reason, + hasn't for me
  827. # [22:05] <tw2113> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/the-30-css-selectors-you-must-memorize/
  828. # [22:05] <paul_irish> THIRTY
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  831. # [22:06] <tw2113> some are obvious and used without 2nd thought, some are a bit more obscure
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  856. # [23:13] <xonecas> o/
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  866. # [23:34] <pa7> anyone interested in canvas based heatmaps?
  867. # [23:41] <robhawkes> pa7: Sure, I'd be interested in that. Is it something that you're working on?
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  869. # [23:44] <pa7> robhawkes: yes, just released a lib for creating heatmaps: http://www.patrick-wied.at/static/heatmapjs/
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  871. # [23:47] <pa7> I'd appreciate all kinds of feedback :)
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