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  26. # [01:15] <grantg> hey humph_
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  28. # [01:16] <grantg> what do you and others think of with porting ALSA and pulse audio backends to JS?
  29. # [01:16] <grantg> I could wrap another JS lib around XAudioJS to do so.
  30. # [01:17] <grantg> anyone else care to comment, or to discuss on which audio backend would be the best to port?
  31. # [01:17] <grantg> it might help get people to port their C/C++ apps to JS
  32. # [01:18] <grantg> OpenAL?
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  35. # [01:23] <uf0> errr..
  36. # [01:23] <uf0> in chrome dev tools
  37. # [01:23] <uf0> under resources tab
  38. # [01:23] <uf0> if I click a css file
  39. # [01:23] <uf0> how can I edit it
  40. # [01:23] <uf0> i've tried everything
  41. # [01:23] <paul_irish> dblclick
  42. # [01:23] <paul_irish> has to be chrome dev channel
  43. # [01:23] <paul_irish> its a brandddddddd new feature
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  45. # [01:24] <uf0> oh i tried that doesn't work
  46. # [01:24] <uf0> ok so that means i have to wait
  47. # [01:24] <uf0> right?
  48. # [01:24] <paul_irish> soundslikit
  49. # [01:24] <uf0> :)
  50. # [01:24] <paul_irish> get a chromium nightly
  51. # [01:25] <uf0> np, i'll wait
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  66. # [02:01] <grantg> ...
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  68. # [02:01] <grantg> run forest run
  69. # [02:01] * tw2113 turns into boobzilla
  70. # [02:03] <grantg> tw2113: needs to run into #reddit
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  72. # [02:03] <grantg> or better... #4chan
  73. # [02:03] <tw2113> nah, quick mental break before i get back to some html/css for pay
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  76. # [02:04] <tw2113> found out my 2 hours of power to my coffee maker ran out, it auto shuts off after that long
  77. # [02:05] <grantg> ...
  78. # [02:06] <tw2113> i no consume fast enough
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  81. # [02:08] <tw2113> #$(&#%)(&@# i wish HN wouldn't link directly to PDF files. i read the site through rss and it keeps prompting me to download
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  83. # [02:10] <grantg> tw2113: You need to calm the %^*# down.
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  85. # [02:10] <tw2113> coffeeeeeeeeeeeee
  86. # [02:12] <grantg> coooooookies
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  147. # [05:07] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: i need advice
  148. # [05:07] <niftylettuce> ?slap niftylettuce
  149. # [05:07] * bot-t slaps niftylettuce around a bit with a large trout
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  162. # [05:28] <tw2113> lettuce abuse!
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  179. # [06:44] * tw2113 watches that performance video from paul_irish
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  182. # [06:50] <paul_irish> omg
  183. # [06:50] <paul_irish> u saw it
  184. # [06:50] <paul_irish> i havent tweeted it yet
  185. # [06:50] <paul_irish> its leeeaking
  186. # [06:50] <tw2113> i forget where i got it, it may have been HN, and i know i saw it on reddit today
  187. # [06:51] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gvuet/google_developer_talk_by_paul_irish_on_html5_css3/
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  189. # [06:52] <grantg> paul_irish: Just updated XAudioJS some more.
  190. # [06:52] <tw2113> that link shows 9 stupid people who downvoted
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  192. # [06:52] <grantg> Added an upsampler
  193. # [06:52] <grantg> and lots of comments
  194. # [06:53] <grantg> and exposed # of samples left in the buffer
  195. # [06:53] <grantg> :)
  196. # [06:53] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/XAudioJS/commit/34d729f68002b4dfd8e2077546b54b9ff1d7f268
  197. # [06:57] <paul_irish> grantg: dope
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  199. # [07:01] <paul_irish> thx tw
  200. # [07:01] <tw2113> welcome
  201. # [07:03] <tw2113> i kind of miss 3D rendering
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  205. # [07:14] <tw2113> think i should take my spare computer parts and set up my own little server paul_irish ?
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  210. # [07:35] <paul_irish> seedbox
  211. # [07:35] <paul_irish> +1
  212. # [07:39] <tw2113> i figure something i could dick around with and see how creative i can get
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  222. # [08:43] <grantg> ok
  223. # [08:43] <grantg> Made a demo page of XAudioJS
  224. # [08:43] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/sound_test/
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  226. # [08:44] <grantg> paul_irish: Likey?
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  230. # [08:47] <grantg> It's a super simple sine wave
  231. # [08:48] <grantg> So it can't get any simpler
  232. # [08:48] <grantg> I even skipped writeAudio all together
  233. # [08:48] <grantg> Since this only needed callback usage
  234. # [08:49] <grantg> hence the .executeCallback
  235. # [08:49] <tw2113> best browser for it?
  236. # [08:49] <tw2113> it's not showing up in FF
  237. # [08:49] <grantg> rather than passing samples to writeAudio and waiting for writeAudio itself to call the callback
  238. # [08:49] <grantg> tw2113: It's a blank page
  239. # [08:49] <tw2113> ah
  240. # [08:49] <grantg> It's making a sine wave though
  241. # [08:49] <tw2113> then it is showing up
  242. # [08:49] <grantg> :P
  243. # [08:50] <grantg> view-source it. :)
  244. # [08:50] <tw2113> i'm not hearing anything in case i should be
  245. # [08:50] <grantg> lolwut?
  246. # [08:50] <grantg> I'm running firefox 4 right now with it coming through
  247. # [08:50] <grantg> I better dump some stats
  248. # [08:51] <grantg> to show the buffer level
  249. # [08:51] <tw2113> i'll blame my computer for now
  250. # [08:51] <grantg> heh
  251. # [08:51] <grantg> Is your volume up?
  252. # [08:51] <tw2113> yup
  253. # [08:51] <grantg> try chrome and safari too
  254. # [08:51] <grantg> even opera
  255. # [08:52] <grantg> it's coming through the web audio build of chrome very well
  256. # [08:52] <grantg> and firefox 4
  257. # [08:52] <grantg> for me
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  259. # [08:53] <tw2113> i don't do mac
  260. # [08:53] <tw2113> in case that helps
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  266. # [09:04] <grantg> ok
  267. # [09:04] <grantg> I should be printing debug info now
  268. # [09:04] <grantg> the # of samples left
  269. # [09:05] <tw2113> just "10000" repeated
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  271. # [09:07] <grantg> yup
  272. # [09:07] <grantg> tw2113: correct
  273. # [09:07] <grantg> means it's buffered the audio correctly
  274. # [09:07] <grantg> Since I set it to 10000 for the buffer low-edge for callback refill
  275. # [09:08] <tw2113> no idea then. if it's working for you, that's the important part :P
  276. # [09:08] <grantg> should be working for you!
  277. # [09:08] <grantg> Especially since you're getting the damn correct numbers. <_<
  278. # [09:09] <grantg> every so often between the 10000 you should see maybe 9xxx or so
  279. # [09:09] <grantg> that's also normal
  280. # [09:10] <tw2113> nothing
  281. # [09:10] * tw2113 kicks computer
  282. # [09:11] <grantg> just changed it to a square wave
  283. # [09:11] <grantg> and lowered the freq
  284. # [09:11] <grantg> anything?
  285. # [09:11] <tw2113> nope
  286. # [09:12] <grantg> heh
  287. # [09:12] <grantg> maybe FF is on mute on your comp. :P
  288. # [09:12] <grantg> try chrome?
  289. # [09:12] <grantg> it'll use the fallback, but you should hear something
  290. # [09:12] <tw2113> chrome is giving -1
  291. # [09:12] <tw2113> and no sound
  292. # [09:13] <grantg> oh wait
  293. # [09:13] <grantg> that's right
  294. # [09:13] <grantg> because it's callback only
  295. # [09:13] <grantg> so no wav pcm fallback
  296. # [09:13] <grantg> firefox 4 only for this version
  297. # [09:13] <grantg> :P
  298. # [09:14] <grantg> -1 is correct here
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  300. # [09:14] <grantg> because you can't determine the browser's samples left for audio playing in real time with exact precision
  301. # [09:14] <tw2113> zilch
  302. # [09:15] <grantg> TL;DR getTime() is too inacurrate and SHOULD NOT be used for doing this math.
  303. # [09:15] <grantg> tw2113: By any chance, does mono audio have issues on your comp?
  304. # [09:16] <tw2113> unsure
  305. # [09:17] <grantg> test again
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  307. # [09:17] <grantg> stereo this time
  308. # [09:18] <tw2113> nothing
  309. # [09:18] <tw2113> i stand by my computers not being best
  310. # [09:18] <grantg> different numbers?
  311. # [09:18] <grantg> heh
  312. # [09:19] <grantg> What OS?
  313. # [09:19] <tw2113> FF still spitting out 10000
  314. # [09:19] <tw2113> fedora 14
  315. # [09:19] <grantg> oh
  316. # [09:19] <grantg> heh
  317. # [09:19] <grantg> probably an audio backend prob
  318. # [09:19] <grantg> in firefox 4
  319. # [09:19] <tw2113> probably
  320. # [09:19] <grantg> linux....
  321. # [09:19] <grantg> meh
  322. # [09:20] <tw2113> would you prefer me on winblows?
  323. # [09:20] <grantg> I guess
  324. # [09:20] <grantg> you don't need to test it
  325. # [09:20] <grantg> I know it really works
  326. # [09:21] <grantg> at least on mac os
  327. # [09:21] <grantg> lol
  328. # [09:21] <tw2113> i'm too poor and technically jobless to afford a mac
  329. # [09:22] <grantg> heh
  330. # [09:24] <grantg> heh
  331. # [09:25] <grantg> on safari it eats a lot of CPU, probably from the logging
  332. # [09:25] <niftylettuce> grantg and tw2113 my two favorite people
  333. # [09:26] <grantg> heh
  334. # [09:26] <tw2113> that was a complete accident on my part
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  338. # [09:27] <tw2113> just sayin
  339. # [09:28] <grantg> oh god
  340. # [09:28] <grantg> I got into a flame war on reddit
  341. # [09:28] * niftylettuce spots a wild FLAME WAR
  342. # [09:28] <tw2113> none of the pokemon colors are superior
  343. # [09:29] * niftylettuce spots a wild SEAN KINGSTON
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  345. # [09:33] <grantg> oh god oh god
  346. # [09:33] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gvttv/html5_audio_generation_experiment_sine_waves/c1qpamt?context=3
  347. # [09:33] <grantg> miscommunication x10000000000000000
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  349. # [09:35] <tw2113> i wonder if he'd be upset if i said that example works
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  389. # [12:08] <pandaloun> hello world
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  392. # [12:23] <pandaloun> someone know a good cheat sheet about html 5 ?
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  395. # [12:26] <devined> http://media.smashingmagazine.com/cdn_smash/wp-content/uploads/images/html5-cheat-sheet/preview.gif
  396. # [12:26] <devined> pandaloun
  397. # [12:26] <devined> there =D
  398. # [12:27] <pandaloun> =)
  399. # [12:29] <pandaloun> i find my wonder http://www.w3schools.com/html5/
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  480. # [17:02] <Ms2ger> pandaloun, note that w3schools is known for its awful quality
  481. # [17:02] <pandaloun> =)
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  488. # [17:10] <zewt> "Block all w3schools.com results" :P
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  544. # [19:05] <grantg> humph_: Did you check out the code for XAudioJS yet? The demo http://www.grantgalitz.org/sound_test/ should work the same for firefox 4 *and* webkit web audio builds
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  546. # [19:08] <grantg> it does all the resampling for the audio for web audio in js, since web audio only wants the hardware's sample rate. Finally polished the resampler algos though. :)
  547. # [19:08] <grantg> They're all nearest-neighbor style resamplers for real-time performance.
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  612. # [21:42] <grantg> paul_irishL Y U donwnvote?
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  614. # [21:42] <grantg> :P
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  616. # [21:45] <Misiur1> Hey guys
  617. # [21:46] <grantg> hey misiurl
  618. # [21:46] <grantg> paul_irish: Great video anyhow
  619. # [21:47] <grantg> +1 towards more talk about reflows, because some browser bugs can be fixed by tricking it to reflow (OLD Mozilla especially)
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  621. # [21:48] <grantg> old moz is notorious for getting absolute positioning wrong and doing weird double padding logic.
  622. # [21:48] <grantg> (old moz is 1.7 and below)
  623. # [21:49] <snover> ugh, moz made the About Firefox window even more useless in fx
  624. # [21:49] <snover> 4
  625. # [21:49] <snover> they took away the gecko version :\
  626. # [21:49] <grantg> heh
  627. # [21:49] <snover> and it’s not on wikipedia either?! what the christ…
  628. # [21:49] <grantg> Try firefox 1.0 and earlier and LOL at the fuzzy logic
  629. # [21:50] <grantg> on par with IE6 fuzzy logic in some cases
  630. # [21:50] <snover> anyway
  631. # [21:50] <snover> why would you do a talk today about browser bugs from 2004?
  632. # [21:50] <grantg> the trick for moz is to force a reflow, with IE6 I guess it's the zoom fix (For what I've had to do). :P
  633. # [21:50] <grantg> snover: Just interesting
  634. # [21:51] <grantg> and don't some sites need compat for as many comps as possible?
  635. # [21:51] <grantg> I know a LOT of people still using FF2
  636. # [21:51] <snover> er
  637. # [21:51] <grantg> Even know an IE 5 person
  638. # [21:51] <snover> you do
  639. # [21:51] <snover> ?
  640. # [21:51] <grantg> snover: Especially school systems
  641. # [21:51] <tw2113> find better friends
  642. # [21:51] <snover> haha, tw2113 says what I couldn’t come up with
  643. # [21:51] <tw2113> :P
  644. # [21:52] <snover> I was going to say that I would say the people that grantg knows are extremely non-representative of …reality
  645. # [21:52] <grantg> snover: I heard china has lots of IE6 users still. :P
  646. # [21:52] <grantg> snover: Work places that give a shit about IT != home desktop user base
  647. # [21:53] <snover> grantg: which isn’t Fx2 or IE5
  648. # [21:53] <grantg> snover: I want to smite a person using either just as badly
  649. # [21:53] <tw2113> i'm a believer in they can wait to use my sites until they get home from work
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  651. # [21:54] <grantg> Anyone using old mac os x (pre 10.4) have to use shitty browsers (and they still exist).
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  653. # [21:54] <Misiur1> Hm. Is there some method on canvas to finish drawing one shape?
  654. # [21:54] <tw2113> macs are expensive as hell to upgrade :P
  655. # [21:54] <snover> grantg: I have no sympathy for anyone using Mac OS 10.3 or earlier
  656. # [21:54] <grantg> snover: Win95 person using IE 5
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  658. # [21:54] <snover> yeah, the $29 upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 was a killer
  659. # [21:54] <grantg> If that makes you feel any better
  660. # [21:54] <tw2113> they just finish paying the credit card bill for the previous one and they start a new one
  661. # [21:55] <snover> SO EXPENSIVE
  662. # [21:55] <grantg> snover: It's not that
  663. # [21:55] <grantg> they can't
  664. # [21:55] <grantg> because they have old PPC hardware
  665. # [21:55] <snover> 10.4 was available in PPC
  666. # [21:55] <grantg> 2002 mac comps
  667. # [21:55] <grantg> snover: They waited too long. :P
  668. # [21:55] <snover> ebay.
  669. # [21:55] <grantg> true
  670. # [21:55] <snover> bittorrent.
  671. # [21:55] <snover> et cetera.
  672. # [21:56] * grantg starts up an angry fb message
  673. # [21:56] <snover> oh, 10.5 supported PPC too
  674. # [21:56] <grantg> though firefox just dropped 10.4
  675. # [21:56] <grantg> snover: These are slow PPC comps
  676. # [21:56] <grantg> likw 700 mhz macs
  677. # [21:56] <grantg> *like
  678. # [21:56] <grantg> 10.5 requires 867 mhz I think
  679. # [21:56] <grantg> some weird check
  680. # [21:56] <snover> you can hack it.
  681. # [21:56] <grantg> true
  682. # [21:57] <grantg> Though some people are afraid of that.
  683. # [21:57] <grantg> snover: I agree it's time for them to get new comps
  684. # [21:57] <tw2113> to be fair, it's not likely that YOUR site is going to be the only "bad" looking site no longer compatible
  685. # [21:57] <tw2113> most are going to be
  686. # [21:57] <grantg> tw2113: You're bringing up my site now, eh?
  687. # [21:58] <grantg> tw2113: Try to load CNN in an old mac 10.3 comp
  688. # [21:58] <snover> “Snow Leopard will be succeeded by Mac OS X Lion (version 10.7), which is expected to be released in 2011 during the Northern Hemisphere's summer.” thanks, wikipedia, for clarifying which hemisphere we’re talking about
  689. # [21:58] <snover> not pedantic at all…
  690. # [21:58] <tw2113> when i say YOUR i mean everyone in the room
  691. # [21:58] <grantg> oh ok
  692. # [21:58] <grantg> heh
  693. # [21:58] <tw2113> rudamentary variable
  694. # [21:59] <grantg> -_-
  695. # [22:00] * grantg wonders how long it will be before apple switches from Intel to ARM for ALL macs
  696. # [22:01] <grantg> it might be how they can get the macbook air even slimmer
  697. # [22:01] <grantg> :/
  698. # [22:02] <grantg> tw2113: I apple does that I'll rage
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  700. # [22:02] <tw2113> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu rage?
  701. # [22:02] <grantg> Within 4 years software will stop being "universal" for intel macs just like PPC. :P
  702. # [22:03] <grantg> theoretically I think
  703. # [22:03] <tw2113> you mean stuff will run on all platforms?
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  705. # [22:04] <grantg> I think apple might repeat its history and do an intel to ARM switch
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  707. # [22:04] <tw2113> they have their boner for control
  708. # [22:04] <snover> I highly doubt it
  709. # [22:04] <snover> At least, probably not anytime this decade
  710. # [22:05] <grantg> I hope they don't
  711. # [22:05] <grantg> What about Windows 8 though, eh?
  712. # [22:05] <snover> we’ll see.
  713. # [22:05] <grantg> :/
  714. # [22:06] <tw2113> lols windows
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  716. # [22:07] <grantg> So moz, IONMonkey?...
  717. # [22:08] <grantg> <do_not_take_this_seriously>Let's see how long it takes before they hit porchmonkey</do_not_take_this_seriously>
  718. # [22:08] <grantg> most insensitive JS joke ever, ^
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  721. # [22:09] <tw2113> i still like <h2 class="hueylewisandthe">News</h2>
  722. # [22:09] <grantg> heh
  723. # [22:10] <grantg> wait, moz is gonna do dead code removal?
  724. # [22:11] <grantg> Someone jumped on the IE9 JS optimization bandwagon
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  734. # [22:32] <antonkovalyov> ?tell nimbupani i'll see you in a week?
  735. # [22:32] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Okay.
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