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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 25 00:00:00 2011
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  29. # [01:21] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: https://twitter.com/#!/beerjs/status/62292595753230336
  30. # [01:21] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/hmusvR @beerjs: In SF? #beerjs with @cramforce and @mikeal at 8PM Gestalt Haus http://bit.ly/fnOTH8 Are you in?
  31. # [01:22] <antonkovalyov> competitors :)
  32. # [01:22] <antonkovalyov> are you going?
  33. # [01:22] <paul_irish> ya
  34. # [01:22] <antonkovalyov> easy for you
  35. # [01:22] <paul_irish> yup
  36. # [01:22] <antonkovalyov> you live like a block away
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  47. # [01:38] <daleharvey> ugh, I would make it up, but the trek from MV is too long
  48. # [01:38] * daleharvey is staying in SF next time I come over
  49. # [01:43] <antonkovalyov> daleharvey, just one hour
  50. # [01:43] <antonkovalyov> btw i feel like we were drinking in MV once :)
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  54. # [01:49] <daleharvey> heh at least you remember now, yeh would have to leave at 8:30 to make it back, will leave it till during the week, jan is in town so imagine we will head in at some point
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  72. # [02:14] <themiddleman> Does Oliver Cadwell ever hang out here? (creator of spark)
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  95. # [03:35] <themiddleman> Anyone know any other good small js libraries like spark?
  96. # [03:36] <daleharvey> ender, sammy, backbone
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  98. # [03:36] <daleharvey> well, ender pulls in other libraries
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  100. # [03:39] <themiddleman> hmm
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  319. # [15:04] <vier> hey guys, what kind of web apps would you like to see? Im interested in making something beneficial to people, especially developers if possible
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  338. # [15:33] <gde33> a C intreperter in javascript, I would like to see that.
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  341. # [15:40] <jetienne> gde33: a C interpreter is not very hard to do. C has been designed to be easy to implement
  342. # [15:41] <jetienne> gde33: but you would miss all the C library, which may be more problematic :)
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  347. # [15:42] <gde33> full blown apps we want :D
  348. # [15:42] <gde33> no more excuses
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  350. # [15:43] <gde33> I've been playing with that function that allows you to change the browser url path without actually loading the new url
  351. # [15:44] <gde33> interesting stuff that
  352. # [15:44] <gde33> can make a less useless ajax app
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  355. # [15:47] <gde33> can also put the latest article on the front page and change the url into the permalink after the visitor loads that page
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  365. # [15:59] <vier> will html5 web sockets allow listening for connections? (ie, so that clients can connect to clients)?
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  368. # [15:59] <vier> it would be really usefull, albeit risky
  369. # [15:59] <vier> I couldnt find it in the spec really
  370. # [16:05] <jdavenport> gde33: do you mean http://html5demos.com/history with cross browser javascript? that would be freaking sweet
  371. # [16:06] <jdavenport> or was you just playing with that
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  374. # [16:08] <gde33> yes like that only without "Note: since these urls aren't real, refreshing the page will land on an invalid url."
  375. # [16:08] <gde33> you just set up some htaccess for that
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  377. # [16:09] <gde33> You get 5 mb client side storage
  378. # [16:09] <gde33> if used for text files that is enormous
  379. # [16:09] <gde33> then get a really slick interface
  380. # [16:10] <gde33> more like installing an application than the usual terminal window
  381. # [16:11] <jdavenport> just the whole has thing when using AJAX has put me off ever really using it seriously due to the ugly urls ala http://lifehacker.com/#!5795303/history-calendar-eases-history-browsing-in-google-chrome
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  383. # [16:11] <gde33> which is bs rly?
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  385. # [16:11] <jdavenport> the url? or my opinion on it?
  386. # [16:12] <gde33> I decided to do links like this http://blog.go-here.nl/8373
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  388. # [16:12] <gde33> with ajax it shouldn't have to be harder than http://blog.go-here.nl/#8373
  389. # [16:12] <gde33> with the new "forging" page history stuff we can do http://blog.go-here.nl/8373 and get the same result as http://blog.go-here.nl/#8373
  390. # [16:13] <jdavenport> and when there is no javascript capability the same page is reachable, which should be the priority imo
  391. # [16:13] <jdavenport> that technique enables that nicely
  392. # [16:14] <gde33> if you want to get it entirely right yeah
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  394. # [16:14] <gde33> my site is static html files btw
  395. # [16:14] <jdavenport> i just like pretty urls for seo reasons and graceful degradation
  396. # [16:14] <jdavenport> sure, its the same princple though
  397. # [16:14] <gde33> seo people have this kind of cargo cult thing going on where everyone follows the leader
  398. # [16:15] <gde33> they make their own facts lol
  399. # [16:15] <gde33> a number is much better, gives you an idea how old the article is
  400. # [16:16] <jdavenport> this is very true, i just follow it because a) allows for easier user reading in google b) looks nice and tidy c) google highlights results in the url itself so it probably sees it as important
  401. # [16:16] <jdavenport> yeah i have no problem with date urls pre the main url like wordpress does
  402. # [16:16] <vier> so nobody knows if we can write html to listen for connections? or should that be javascript?
  403. # [16:17] <gde33> vier: have to use java I think
  404. # [16:17] <vier> gde33: why wouldnt Ajax work?
  405. # [16:17] <gde33> jdavenport: if we use the MD5 hash of the static html file we could implement p2p stuff to failback and compliment the web.
  406. # [16:18] <gde33> vier: then have to do polling
  407. # [16:18] <jdavenport> maybe you could check out Node.JS vier. i don't know that much about it but I know you can listen for connections with it. maybe it can do what you want
  408. # [16:18] <jdavenport> #node.js
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  410. # [16:19] <vier> jdavenport: I have heard about Node, but isnt that for the server? or can i literally use it as a server within a client's page?
  411. # [16:19] <vier> cuz that would be awesome :)
  412. # [16:20] <jdavenport> i think maybe its totally server side. again i dont really know that much about it. you're right though that would be pretty sweet
  413. # [16:20] <vier> thinking of making servers tell the client - "get this web page of another client who just got this from me". or tell them "hey, client x is hosting file y, get it from him"
  414. # [16:21] <jdavenport> but you may be able to use AJAX to communicate with a Node.JS socket listener. if you were really serious about it
  415. # [16:22] <vier> well it would be usefull to transfer files quickly, privately or not
  416. # [16:22] <vier> and also having practically a peer-to-peer internet, saving on the server's bandwidth
  417. # [16:23] <jdavenport> sounds like an opportunity to serve up a fake web page telling the next guy to give me his bank details :P
  418. # [16:24] <vier> yeh - but that is easy (i thought about it) - when the client asks for the webpage from the server, the server says connect to x, and make sure content matches hash y
  419. # [16:25] <vier> so the legit source doesnt give you the right stuff, just discard it (and/or report it)
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  422. # [16:25] <jdavenport> yeah, it would be relatively easy to protect against you're right
  423. # [16:26] <jdavenport> it also sounds like the best way to do things if net neutrality falls on its face
  424. # [16:26] <niftylettuce> ello poppet
  425. # [16:26] <vier> as long as the legit server is involves somewhere in the process, it should be fine
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  427. # [16:27] <vier> jdavenport: yeh, just thought it would also allow clients to communicate between themselves without piping everything through the server, and also to share around the bandwidth use
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  429. # [16:28] <jdavenport> i may be wrong vier but isnt this pretty much exactly how tor works?
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  432. # [16:28] <jdavenport> although maybe tor goes through many nodes rather than just the server and then the client who you're getting the page from
  433. # [16:29] <vier> jdavenport: pretty sure tor works by encrypting many layers, along a series of relayers, who each take off a layer of encryption
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  435. # [16:29] <vier> yeh, exactly
  436. # [16:29] <vier> client->x->y->z->server rather than client->server->client
  437. # [16:29] <jdavenport> another problem also is if the machine you're getting the page from has a really slow uplink you're gonna be getting the page very slowly, and if it happens to be turned off that'll cause problems too
  438. # [16:30] <niftylettuce> vier: are you talking reg'd my msg?
  439. # [16:30] <vier> niftylettuce: no... all you said was "ello poppet"...
  440. # [16:31] <jdavenport> lolll
  441. # [16:31] <vier> jdavenport: yes, you could try getting it from many people at once, but i think it will get too complex and defeat the purpose of bandwidth then (client may download several copies of the same page)
  442. # [16:32] <niftylettuce> oh dang my msg didnt go thru
  443. # [16:32] <niftylettuce> for mass multiplayer mobile game... would you guys think node.js/mongodb/expressjs or apache/Zend?
  444. # [16:32] <vier> however, it would be usefull for file sharing
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  446. # [16:32] <niftylettuce> (game built with HTML5/JS)
  447. # [16:33] <jdavenport> would be the ultimate CDN really, you could have all different requests randomly sent out to other clients who already have the files, with a very fast timeout to cover for people with slow uplinks
  448. # [16:33] <vier> havent looked at them all, but not Zend - frameworks such as those are many orders of magnitude slower
  449. # [16:33] <vier> CDN?
  450. # [16:33] <jdavenport> ive heard node.js is extremely fast so you could check it out, its kinda bleeding edge though, but hey it works
  451. # [16:34] <jdavenport> vier: content delivery network
  452. # [16:34] <vier> ah
  453. # [16:34] <jdavenport> ala google web fonts, google api's etc
  454. # [16:34] <niftylettuce> i build with node.js right now
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  456. # [16:35] <vier> jdavenport: okay, so basicly it would be good for an online version of bit torrent basicly
  457. # [16:35] <jdavenport> niftylettuce, maybe you're better asking in #node.js, they may have relevant opinions for you
  458. # [16:36] <niftylettuce> :)
  459. # [16:36] <vier> although splitting up the file may be hard... on a related note, how does html5 handle streaming?
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  461. # [16:37] <jdavenport> as in live streaming?
  462. # [16:37] <vier> yeh, i imagine the <video> tag handles it automagically, but what about regular data?
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  464. # [16:38] <vier> streaming like downloading a 5gb file from someone (over javascript/ajax or something? as there is no 'link/url' to download from when downloading from the client
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  468. # [16:39] <jdavenport> you know, i haven't the foggiest. sorry lol
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  470. # [16:40] <vier> jdavenport: thats ok, thanks :) i like talking about ideas anyway, helps understanding the scope and what is/isnt feasible
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  472. # [16:41] <jdavenport> totally vier, me too. i find bouncing ideas with other people is much more productive then bouncing them around just in your head
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  474. # [16:43] <vier> jdavenport: are you a developer?
  475. # [16:43] <vier> ie making your own code
  476. # [16:44] <jdavenport> vier: i try to be as versatile as possible really. i design primarily but im not afraid to delve into code when the time is needed. which is pretty often tbh!
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  480. # [16:45] <vier> haha, well, what kind of web app would you find to be useful? coding online? something else?
  481. # [16:47] <jdavenport> a web app that lets me hassle microsoft into getting their asses into action regarding supporting standards
  482. # [16:48] <jdavenport> lol. but seriously i dunno really nothings occured to me in the past really
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  484. # [16:49] <vier> jdavenport: i think that exists already: http://ie6countdown.com/
  485. # [16:50] <jdavenport> it really needs to be the IE8 countdown imo. IE8 supports barely much more than IE6 in terms of useful forward thinking standards. and IE9 doesnt even full support HTML5 and CSS3
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  487. # [16:51] <vier> mmm, god they suck -.-
  488. # [16:52] <vier> i just say, use a good browser or dont use the web app at all
  489. # [16:53] <jdavenport> which from personal perspective i totally agree with. from a proffesional perspective its up to us to ensure that all users get the same (or at least the best) experience regardless of what they're using
  490. # [16:53] <jdavenport> microsoft clearly take pleasure in making that somewhat impossible
  491. # [16:54] <vier> haha, they laugh in developers faces
  492. # [16:55] <jdavenport> would expect anything less from them lol
  493. # [16:55] <vier> just when you think you have it all under control.. bam! another non-standard/unsupported feature
  494. # [16:55] <jdavenport> yeah i mean even just little things like the ommission of text-shadow from IE9 piss me off
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  496. # [16:55] <jdavenport> i mean what the hell??!
  497. # [16:57] <vier> they just want easy updates for IE10
  498. # [16:57] <vier> IE9 - 50% html5, IE10 - 75% html5, IE11: 85% html etc
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  502. # [16:58] <jdavenport> its also things like stopping support for older browsers. dont know if its true but IE10 may not support Vista? wtf?
  503. # [16:59] <miketaylr> that's true
  504. # [16:59] <miketaylr> win 7 only
  505. # [17:00] <jdavenport> again as far as supporting as many users as possible and giving the most consistent experience that one just makes it nye on impossible
  506. # [17:00] <vier> i think the problem is actually Vista doesnt support anything, IE10 being one of those things
  507. # [17:00] <miketaylr> hahah lolwat
  508. # [17:00] <jdavenport> i dont even like vista, people still use it though
  509. # [17:01] <vier> and yet - XP is still the most used OS ever, more than linux + mac +vista +7
  510. # [17:01] <vier> XP is at about 55%
  511. # [17:02] <jetienne> vier: do you have a url for reference ?
  512. # [17:02] <vier> yeh 1 sec
  513. # [17:03] <vier> ah damn... XP is down to 43% now... it was 55% in July last year
  514. # [17:03] <vier> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
  515. # [17:04] <vier> another source for your benefit (covers much more): http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8
  516. # [17:05] <jdavenport> i really really wish google published similar statistics
  517. # [17:05] <jdavenport> it would really be the be all, end all of stats
  518. # [17:06] <jetienne> true :)
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  520. # [17:06] <vier> actually yeh.. everyone checks out google
  521. # [17:06] <ruben-> When you make an input (text) draggable - how come I can't type in it anymore? Is there a way to fix this?
  522. # [17:06] <jetienne> nobody could say "you dont have critical mass" to oogle.com :)
  523. # [17:06] <vier> mmm
  524. # [17:07] <jdavenport> exactly jetienne. maybe a movement needs to be started. mind you it would probably be in silly newspapers saying "GOOGLE PRIVACY OUTRAGE"
  525. # [17:07] <vier> okay, anyone here use GitHub?
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  527. # [17:08] <jetienne> var urlRe = /(^|[ \t\r\n])((ftp|http|https|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|file|prospero|aim|webcal):(([A-Za-z0-9$_.+!*(),;/?:@&~=-])|%[A-Fa-f0-9]{2}){2,}(#([a-zA-Z0-9][a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*(),;/?:@&~=%-]*))?([A-Za-z0-9$_+!*();/?:~-]))/g
  528. # [17:08] <jetienne> error wrong channel
  529. # [17:08] <vier> jdavenport: "Scandel: Google provides vague numbers which haxorz can use to target you"
  530. # [17:08] <ruben-> Anyone?
  531. # [17:09] <vier> ruben-: what browser?
  532. # [17:09] <ruben-> vier: Chrome, it works in FF tho
  533. # [17:10] <ruben-> Simple code, http://pastebin.com/Rz1v9mwn -> Input not editable in chrome
  534. # [17:10] <vier> ruben-: codepad might be more useful for code, just for next time ;)
  535. # [17:10] <vier> any javascript errors occuring?
  536. # [17:11] <ruben-> Is the only fix to wrap a draggable div around the input?
  537. # [17:11] <ruben-> vier: Nop
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  539. # [17:11] <vier> is making a draggable div a big issue?
  540. # [17:12] <ruben-> not a "big" one - the page has about 100 inputs, so that would be 100 divs too
  541. # [17:13] <ruben-> Ah well - I'll just fix it with a wrapper, thanks anyway vier!
  542. # [17:14] <vier> ruben-: but you make the inputs dynamicly right? so it would only be a few lines of code yeh
  543. # [17:14] <vier> but yeh i can see why you were avoiding it
  544. # [17:15] <jdavenport> ruben-: you could use jquery to add the draggable divs without extra mark up
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  546. # [17:20] <jdavenport> ruben-: http://jsfiddle.net/j6Cbt/
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  572. # [17:52] <chachan> guys, how could I check which browsers are currently supporting localization?
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  574. # [17:58] <BrianBlakely> Please help me HTML5!
  575. # [17:58] <paul_irish> :o
  576. # [17:58] <BrianBlakely> Latin characters are displaying as "<?>" - or more accurately "�", if you can see that
  577. # [17:58] <BrianBlakely> This is Chrome and FF on OS X
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  579. # [17:58] <BrianBlakely> Encoding utf-8
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  581. # [17:59] <BrianBlakely> Using entities is not an option, way too much copy living in different locations
  582. # [18:02] <paul_irish> sounds to me like its not realy uft-8 somewhere along the chain
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  584. # [18:03] <vier> hmmm... i could create a peer-to-peer connection if i used the Simultaneous Open instead of the threeway handshake
  585. # [18:03] <paul_irish> i know my wordpress sql doesnt store in utf-8 which means im basically fucked, regardless of the rest
  586. # [18:04] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: No way to force client to interpret content as utf-8?
  587. # [18:06] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: client will with either the http header or the meta charset
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  589. # [18:06] <paul_irish> im sayin i have a feeling there is soemthing before the client where its lost
  590. # [18:07] <BrianBlakely> Such as the content itself is wrongly encoded?
  591. # [18:08] <paul_irish> ya
  592. # [18:08] <paul_irish> thats my guess
  593. # [18:09] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: OK, I think you're right. Static content is encoded with Mac OS Roman (bluhhh), not sure about the DB content, as it is not my DB. Thanks a lot!
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  613. # [18:36] <matjas> yo cheilmann
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  615. # [18:37] <matjas> just for the record, honestly none of those comments are mine
  616. # [18:38] <matjas> the comment form is prefilled with my info, even if i curl the page without cookies etc
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  623. # [18:48] <vier> I really hope html5 specs will eventually support peer-to-peer connections, which it looks like they might
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  625. # [18:50] <miketaylr> vier: it's currently specced in the WHATWG spec
  626. # [18:50] <miketaylr> at least the beginnings of such
  627. # [18:51] <vier> yes, so i see, id like it to become normalised and see browsers start to impliment it (and some example code maybe :P )
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  630. # [18:53] <vier> anybody know about the simultaneous open method of epening a connection?
  631. # [18:53] <vier> opening*
  632. # [18:54] <vier> if i can just get 2 clients to send SYN packets before they receive each others... and then hope to god that the browser supports simultaneous open...
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  669. # [19:58] <danielfilho> paul_irish: nice video this new one :)
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  671. # [19:59] <paul_irish> danielfilho: thank you
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  674. # [20:01] <danielfilho> what you used to do the presentation stuff?
  675. # [20:02] <paul_irish> its by @hakimel and hosted on hakim.se
  676. # [20:02] <danielfilho> I can figure out that is some css3 stuff, i guess. running on safari.
  677. # [20:02] <danielfilho> oh, will check it out :D
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  683. # [20:09] <pa7> anyone wondering like me that pngtocss wasn't created with canvas and js? n
  684. # [20:10] <paul_irish> pa7: you're the expert but i have a feeling it'd be too slow
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  686. # [20:12] <danbeam> pa7: what's pngtocss? (a quick google didn't find anything)
  687. # [20:12] <danbeam> pa7: nvm
  688. # [20:12] <paul_irish> a fellow yahoo wrote it
  689. # [20:12] <paul_irish> yahoogler?
  690. # [20:12] <danbeam> heh, I know Phillip Tellis
  691. # [20:12] <danbeam> yeah
  692. # [20:12] <danbeam> I didn't know if that's what pa7 meant or not
  693. # [20:12] <paul_irish> he's cool
  694. # [20:13] <danbeam> yup, very
  695. # [20:13] <danbeam> pa7: also, I did write a small hack to guess gradient's colors with <canvas> / JS
  696. # [20:13] <danbeam> pa7: and it's not *that* slow, paul_irish
  697. # [20:13] <paul_irish> wellthen
  698. # [20:14] <danbeam> paul_irish: .getImageData() is pretty straight forward
  699. # [20:14] <danbeam> just gives you RGBA array of pixel data
  700. # [20:14] <paul_irish> yahiknowwwwww
  701. # [20:14] <paul_irish> i'm not a nub u know
  702. # [20:14] <danbeam> lol
  703. # [20:14] <paul_irish> paul_irish|not_a_nub
  704. # [20:15] <danbeam> http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ <-- besides, the reason that feature was requested was for something like this (in which another fellow Y! also already did the same thing -- got a gradient from an image)
  705. # [20:15] <danbeam> (import from image)
  706. # [20:16] <niftylettuce> ?fpi
  707. # [20:16] <bot-t1> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
  708. # [20:16] <danbeam> lolwut
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  710. # [20:17] <danbeam> paul_irish: if you're not a n00b with <canvas>, how do I circumvent it's security involving an Image with a .src of different domain/protocol/port (without hosting image/using service)
  711. # [20:18] <paul_irish> oh i have a good one for that
  712. # [20:18] <danbeam> paul_irish: tight
  713. # [20:18] <paul_irish> i mean. the short of it is you cant
  714. # [20:18] <danbeam> paul_irish: I want the JSONP of canvas
  715. # [20:18] <paul_irish> but the workarounds are aiiiight
  716. # [20:18] <danbeam> lol
  717. # [20:18] <paul_irish> yeah
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  719. # [20:18] <danbeam> paul_irish: my idea was to make a YQL table that just gives you back the image as data
  720. # [20:19] <danbeam> paul_irish: but that's obivously not listening to my parameters
  721. # [20:19] <danbeam> paul_irish: for this quiestion
  722. # [20:19] <danbeam> paul_irish: question*
  723. # [20:19] <paul_irish> danbeam: https://github.com/desandro/close-pixelate/blob/master/close-pixelate.js#L16-85
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  725. # [20:20] <paul_irish> used for http://desandro.com/resources/close-pixelate/
  726. # [20:20] <danbeam> paul_irish: https://img-to-json.appspot.com/
  727. # [20:20] <paul_irish> :)
  728. # [20:20] <danbeam> paul_irish: so they had the same idea, yeah
  729. # [20:20] <paul_irish> yup
  730. # [20:20] <danbeam> paul_irish: there's gotta be a way to read that into something without hosting it
  731. # [20:21] <danbeam> paul_irish: could probably use ... DUN DUN DUN! Flash!
  732. # [20:21] * paul_irish voms.
  733. # [20:21] * danbeam washs his mouth
  734. # [20:21] <danbeam> washes*
  735. # [20:21] <danbeam> with soap
  736. # [20:22] <pa7> :D
  737. # [20:22] <danbeam> paul_irish: what if you could use cross domain XHR and just read the response? :D
  738. # [20:22] <danbeam> paul_irish: (in the few browsers that support it, lol)
  739. # [20:22] <paul_irish> doesnt work
  740. # [20:22] <danbeam> paul_irish: y?
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  742. # [20:22] <paul_irish> you'd think that because you CORS enable a resource to XHR it in
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  745. # [20:23] <paul_irish> that other things that have SOP restrictions
  746. # [20:23] <paul_irish> would be like OH HEY HE"S COOL MAN WE CAN USE HIM
  747. # [20:23] <paul_irish> butno
  748. # [20:23] <paul_irish> not because the spec disagrees.. just no one has gotten around to it yet
  749. # [20:23] <danbeam> Y U NO CORS, CANVAS?
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  751. # [20:24] <danbeam> lame
  752. # [20:26] <paul_irish> vry
  753. # [20:26] <danbeam> paul_irish: ok, second question
  754. # [20:26] <danbeam> paul_irish: I load a local image into canvas
  755. # [20:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: I have it's width/height
  756. # [20:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: and I just want each corner
  757. # [20:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: but saying context.getImageData(img.width - 2, 0, 1, 1)
  758. # [20:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: doesn't seem to work for me...
  759. # [20:28] <danbeam> paul_irish: (just to get right upper corner)
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  761. # [20:28] <danbeam> paul_irish: am I in wrong coord space or something?
  762. # [20:28] <danbeam> paul_irish: wrong origin?
  763. # [20:29] <danbeam> (also, I've drawn the image at [0,0] with no scale)
  764. # [20:30] <paul_irish> that seems right to me
  765. # [20:30] <paul_irish> assuming your img.width is nonzero, which it would be if you didnt wait for the load event
  766. # [20:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: I'm waiting for img.onload, yeah
  767. # [20:31] <paul_irish> shrug
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  770. # [20:35] <pa7> danbeam: do you load the local image via file:// or do you use the file api?
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  772. # [20:36] <devinrolsen> Has anyone experienced any issues with IE9 (only) not pulling in any site stylesheets? We are using HTML5 and Modernizer, could this be causing the issue maybe?
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  774. # [20:37] <moo-_-> devinrolsen: any stylesheets?
  775. # [20:37] <moo-_-> sounds like mimetype issue or something
  776. # [20:38] <paul_irish> devinrolsen: i bet its the content type you're serving them withhh
  777. # [20:39] <danbeam> pa7: via my web server, so not local, I lied, just on same domain
  778. # [20:39] <devinrolsen> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" />
  779. # [20:40] <paul_irish> devinrolsen: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2011/03/27/http-406-not-acceptable-php-ie9-standards-mode-accepts-only-text_2f00_css-for-stylesheets.aspx
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  781. # [20:41] <devinrolsen> sweet, ok thanks again paul.. I will start my reading :)
  782. # [20:41] <devinrolsen> maybe pass this onto our .net guys with a trout slap ;)
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  784. # [20:45] <pa7> danbeam: getImageData(img.width-1, 0, 1, 1) should work -> first parameter is the x start -> eg width=800, start should be 799 if you want to get the right upper corner
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  786. # [20:47] <danbeam> pa7: yeah, actually, it was the left bottom corner that was messing me up
  787. # [20:48] <danbeam> getImageData(0, img.height-1, 1, 1)
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  792. # [20:52] <Misiur> http://jsfiddle.net/PDmNt/ - what am I doing wrong? Gradient doesn't work in Chrome, IE7/8/9 [I don't even know is pie loaded properly], Safari, opera 11...
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  797. # [21:02] <miketaylr> Misiur: -o-border-radius isn't a thing
  798. # [21:02] <miketaylr> just border-radius
  799. # [21:02] <miketaylr> who knows about the gradient stuff, but you're using the old webkit syntax
  800. # [21:03] <miketaylr> use http://css3plz.com/ to help generate the gradients :)
  801. # [21:04] <Misiur> miketaylr: thanks. I've started learning today, so a lot of work before me
  802. # [21:04] <Misiur> It's a big jump from xhtml1 to this :o
  803. # [21:04] <miketaylr> :)
  804. # [21:08] <tw2113> so pretty much border-radius alone will work for the 400 opera users?
  805. # [21:08] <tw2113> i'll have to edit some css files then to remove the -o- part
  806. # [21:08] <miketaylr> http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto28/css/o-vendor/
  807. # [21:08] <miketaylr> we don't have tons of prefixed props
  808. # [21:09] <tw2113> and a company email when you remove some, and all the opera users are uptodate :P
  809. # [21:09] <tw2113> i'm just teasing :D
  810. # [21:09] <Misiur> one more: does IE can use filter to create gradient with stop?
  811. # [21:10] <miketaylr> not sure
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  818. # [21:15] <biodegabriel> Hey everybod, As far as y'all know, does iOS still NOT cache anything over 25KB?
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  848. # [22:19] <Misiur> I think I'm able to create IE gradient from specified point, using span's with absolute positions, but it'll be really restraining
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  851. # [22:23] <tw2113> IE users don't deserve gradients, except IE9
  852. # [22:23] <tw2113> depending on their support of it
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  854. # [22:23] <Misiur> tw2113: I lol'd
  855. # [22:24] <Misiur> Unfortunately most of IE<9 users are companies, where lazy "IT Guy's" don't feel like updating
  856. # [22:24] <tw2113> laziness doesn't deserve reward :P
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  858. # [22:25] <danbeam> tw2113: dude, gradients are one of the few things IE6+ can actually do
  859. # [22:25] <danbeam> tw2113: haven't we talked about this before?
  860. # [22:26] <mikesusz> srsly, gradients, font-face. easy tricks.
  861. # [22:26] <mikesusz> round corners, not so much
  862. # [22:26] <tw2113> don't they need filters added on or whatever?
  863. # [22:26] <thatryan> paul_irish: lol you wrote code in the alfred window
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  865. # [22:29] <paul_irish> thatryan: :)
  866. # [22:29] <thatryan> this is a good vid dude :)
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  868. # [22:30] <danbeam> tw2113: yes
  869. # [22:31] <danbeam> tw2113: what's the problem?
  870. # [22:31] <Misiur> "Internet Explorer gradient filter doesn't support color-stop, gradient angle, and radial gradient. That means you can only specify either horizontal or vertical linear gradient with 2 colors: StartColorStr and EndColorStr."
  871. # [22:31] <Misiur> meh, another obstacle
  872. # [22:32] <tw2113> meh, proprietary filters
  873. # [22:34] <danbeam> meh, it works, :P
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  875. # [22:36] <Misiur> But I can't create color stop this way... Well, let's see what absolute span can do
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  877. # [22:37] <tw2113> i stand by the idea of giving them flat backgrounds or cheat with an image
  878. # [22:40] <Misiur> I can't use one filter after another?
  879. # [22:40] <danbeam> Misiur: you can, but put them all in one rule
  880. # [22:40] <danbeam> don't use multiple filter: lines
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  882. # [22:41] <Misiur> Hm, looks like I don't even have multiple filters, but border and gradient are excluding each other
  883. # [22:41] <Misiur> *border-radius
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  885. # [22:42] <danbeam> Misiur: do you have a URL or sample?
  886. # [22:43] <Misiur> http://stretchbox.org/testing/QFoch/
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  888. # [22:43] <Misiur> http://pastebin.com/hFf5gxfL
  889. # [22:45] <danbeam> Misiur: oh wow, the lack of canvas comment is a bit harsh, :P
  890. # [22:46] <danbeam> "Your browser doesn't know what cavas is, go and kill yourself."
  891. # [22:46] <danbeam> lolol
  892. # [22:46] <Misiur> danbeam: I was playing earlier with canvas, and just I was too lazy to delete it :D
  893. # [22:47] <danbeam> might wanna do that before you go live, lolol (or not)
  894. # [22:47] <Misiur> easter egg xD
  895. # [22:48] <Misiur> I think I'll just use bg image + radius
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  897. # [22:48] <danbeam> what's wrong with what you're doing, exactly?
  898. # [22:48] <danbeam> it's working
  899. # [22:49] <danbeam> it won't that easily for border-radius without an image or a spiffy corners hack
  900. # [22:49] <danbeam> but it seems to be working in IE8...
  901. # [22:49] <Misiur> in IE and opera there are no rounded corners
  902. # [22:50] <danbeam> which opera?
  903. # [22:50] <Misiur> 11.01
  904. # [22:50] <Misiur> I've tried css3pie, but apparently I'm too retarted to use it.
  905. # [22:50] <danbeam> AAAAAhttp://dev.opera.com/articles/view/css3-border-background-boxshadow/#border-radius
  906. # [22:51] <danbeam> ignores AAAAs lol
  907. # [22:51] <danbeam> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/css3-border-background-boxshadow/#border-radius
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  910. # [22:51] <danbeam> should work...
  911. # [22:51] <tw2113> lAAAAAwls
  912. # [22:51] <danbeam> heh
  913. # [22:51] <danbeam> rAAAAAwr
  914. # [22:53] <Misiur> currently only Chrome and FF are rendering properly
  915. # [22:53] <Misiur> Opera has backstabbed me, I liked it
  916. # [22:54] <Misiur> css3plz looks bad in IE9
  917. # [22:54] <danbeam> Misiur: but a 1px transparent border
  918. # [22:54] <danbeam> put*
  919. # [22:54] <danbeam> in Opera
  920. # [22:54] <danbeam> hehthink it makes it work
  921. # [22:54] <danbeam> :D
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  923. # [22:55] <danbeam> oh, maybe you are... let me look at your CSS again
  924. # [22:55] <danbeam> yeah, lame, you are
  925. # [22:56] <Misiur> Sounds like Yoda
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  927. # [22:56] <tw2113> it's the only way danbeam can manage coolness amongst the nerds :P
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  929. # [22:57] <danbeam> works when you add a 1px solid #000 border
  930. # [22:57] <danbeam> strange
  931. # [22:58] <danbeam> tw2113: http://isithackday.com/hacks/yodaconstipation/
  932. # [22:58] <brettgoulder> do unicode characters not work in IE? Just a square shows up
  933. # [22:59] <Misiur> Lawl, it looks diffrent on every other IE
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  936. # [23:00] <tw2113> bound to happen these days
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  939. # [23:01] <danbeam> Misiur: having a hard time replicating your bug on my own
  940. # [23:03] <Misiur> I've found something
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  943. # [23:05] <danbeam> Misiur: if you try setting a solid border with a color, setting the border-radius, then changing the border-color to transparent afterward
  944. # [23:05] <danbeam> Misiur: it might work
  945. # [23:06] <danbeam> Misiur: what'd you change? border-color?
  946. # [23:06] <Misiur> I've changed bg color, now in opera I can see rounded corners, but bg overflows in IE
  947. # [23:06] <danbeam> Misiur: border: 1px solid #000; border-radius: 5px; border-color: transparent; ?
  948. # [23:07] <Misiur> danbeam: changing color to transparent doesn't work
  949. # [23:07] <danbeam> Misiur: lame
  950. # [23:07] <Misiur> magic
  951. # [23:08] <Misiur> in IE bg overflows because of filter
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  956. # [23:10] <danbeam> http://danbeam.org/opera-radius.html <-- both are working for me without an opaque border, P.S.
  957. # [23:10] <Misiur> background-color: #f04d12; background-image: -o-linear-gradient(top, #f04d12, #f4701d);
  958. # [23:10] <Misiur> add this
  959. # [23:11] <danbeam> yup, that does it
  960. # [23:11] <danbeam> bug filing time
  961. # [23:12] <Misiur> ie doesn't like gradients with rounded corners
  962. # [23:12] <Misiur> dang, we have to wait for opera 13, ie 25, then we can talk about html5 100% support
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  964. # [23:15] <Misiur> I have opera 11.01, and there's 11.10 out :o
  965. # [23:15] <Misiur> border-radius + background-image + opera = no rounded corners
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  967. # [23:18] <tw2113> i just live with the fact that it's not going to be the same across every browser
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  969. # [23:19] <Misiur> tw2113: well, I can't say that to customer. but soon this time will come
  970. # [23:19] <tw2113> why can't you?
  971. # [23:20] <tw2113> "there are going to be some differences between the available browsers and browser versions. The site will run exactly the same but appearances will differ"
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  974. # [23:22] <Misiur> as I said, yet. I have to learn html5 at least as good as I knew html4 2 years ago
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  981. # [23:32] <uf0> hmm
  982. # [23:32] <uf0> some trouble, got question
  983. # [23:32] <uf0> example, lets say i want to override this
  984. # [23:32] <uf0> background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(top, #6ed8e5, #66c8d5);
  985. # [23:32] <uf0> but it obviously has a prefix
  986. # [23:32] <uf0> do i do something like
  987. # [23:33] <uf0> background-image: -moz-none;
  988. # [23:33] <uf0> that obviously wont' work, but i'm just trying to give an idea
  989. # [23:33] <uf0> in CSS3 you have a bunch of browser prefix -webkit, -moz
  990. # [23:33] <uf0> i just want to override those
  991. # [23:34] <uf0> to an initial value
  992. # [23:34] <uf0> not sure how to do that
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  995. # [23:35] <nimbupani> what is the initial value?
  996. # [23:37] <nimbupani> you say background-image: none; if you want no background-image to apply
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  999. # [23:38] <uf0> that's exactly what i want
  1000. # [23:38] <uf0> background-image: none
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  1003. # [23:38] <uf0> but with all prefixes
  1004. # [23:38] <uf0> will it work everywhere?
  1005. # [23:38] <nimbupani> what? why?
  1006. # [23:38] <nimbupani> yeah
  1007. # [23:38] <uf0> oh
  1008. # [23:38] <nimbupani> you dont need any prefixes for background-image: none;
  1009. # [23:38] <uf0> :) CC
  1010. # [23:38] <uf0> thanks
  1011. # [23:38] <uf0> nimbupani
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