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# Session Start: Tue Apr 26 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:12] <thatryan> so IE supports geolocation right? ;)
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# [00:13] <tw2113> yeah, use it and i'll geolocate you and kick you in the butt
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# [00:14] <thatryan> perfect
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# [00:29] <grantg> benvanik: ping
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# [00:33] <grantg> https://github.com/benvanik/WebAL + https://github.com/grantgalitz/XAudioJS needs to be done
# [00:33] <grantg> for combining them
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# [00:51] <tw2113> hey danbeam do you think it'd be pretty easy to convert that github pulling to use localstorage?
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# [01:36] <grantg> zewt: I herd u liek old browsers: http://i.imgur.com/EmNGq.png
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# [01:36] <grantg> I went back to far...
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# [01:40] <biodegabriel> what does tl;dr mean?
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# [01:42] <digitalfiz> too long didnt read
# [01:43] <digitalfiz> usually used to state this is the summary
# [01:44] <biodegabriel> thx
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# [02:42] <danbeam> tw2113: you could cache YQL calls into localStorage if you want, yeah
# [02:42] <tw2113> i'm thinking about giving it a go
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# [02:42] <tw2113> right thatryan ?
# [02:43] <danbeam> if you do, might wanna think about making a generic YQL localStorage caching mechanism / abstraction on client-side
# [02:43] <thatryan> well duh
# [02:43] <thatryan> wait what
# [02:43] <danbeam> fellow YQL users would lurv you
# [02:43] <danbeam> :)
# [02:43] <tw2113> i'd have to research how :P
# [02:44] <danbeam> well, you'd just make it more generic
# [02:44] <tw2113> but it'd be a fun little challenge
# [02:44] <danbeam> and find a way to map the YQL call + env to a cache key
# [02:44] <tw2113> thatryan talking about localstorage + yql data pulling
# [02:44] <danbeam> as well as a staleness factor you'd allow
# [02:44] <danbeam> (also, YQL has some caching built in as well, but that's a little different reign)
# [02:45] <danbeam> but your user could just say "I want all the puppies from Flickr in the last 10 minutes" and you could keep a timestamp + the query and every time somebody hits you afterward you'd just return the cached results
# [02:45] <vier> what is everyones 1 favourite feature of html5? video tag? local storage? other..?
# [02:46] <danbeam> I'm personally a fan of CSS3 more than HTML5 stuff, but they're friends, :P
# [02:46] <tw2113> does local version always get returned first?
# [02:46] <danbeam> tw2113: you'd have to see if it's been 10 minutes
# [02:46] <tw2113> or would it be a case of checking if it has data and if so, output, else update/pull new
# [02:46] <danbeam> tw2113: i.e. have a cache expiration mechanism
# [02:47] <danbeam> well, that too -- you can't make a cache hit out of nowhere, haha
# [02:47] <tw2113> vier i like the semantic stuff best because i lack extensive javascript knowledge
# [02:47] <danbeam> it has to be primed somehow
# [02:47] <danbeam> vier: eventually I hope to like <canvas> and WebGL, just have been too busy to play around with them yet (have a little bit of graphics background)
# [02:48] <danbeam> vier: like <canvas> and WebGL the most**
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# [02:48] <vier> danbeam: oh yeh, any planned uses for them? game? photo editting?
# [02:49] <danbeam> vier: anything
# [02:49] <danbeam> vier: games is one
# [02:49] <danbeam> vier: fucking sweet websites with 3d animations was my thinking
# [02:49] <vier> 3d as in popping out of the screen 3d?
# [02:49] <danbeam> vier: heh
# [02:50] <danbeam> vier: 3D in a 2D plane of a monitor, lol
# [02:50] <vier> okay, so without using 3D-enabled monitors
# [02:50] <tw2113> adobe should love the photo editing stuff that is possible in browser
# [02:50] <tw2113> less people pirating photoshop and barely using its real powers
# [02:51] <danbeam> vier: oh, well,
# [02:51] <danbeam> vier: could do that too...
# [02:51] <danbeam> vier: hadn't really thought about it
# [02:51] <pa7> vier: I'd love <device> (webcam, microphone, fingerprintreader access could be awesome ).. but we have to wait :l
# [02:51] <vier> danbeam: yeh, sorry i misunderstood you i think
# [02:52] <danbeam> vier: also, if all goes as planned, I'd like browsers to suck less and be mildly comparable to native apps
# [02:52] <vier> pa7: yeh, webcam support would be cool - facetracking to make a 3D effect without the need for glasses
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# [02:53] <danbeam> vier: because if you start focusing more and more effort into optimization of a more global deployment platform
# [02:53] <vier> danbeam: assuming "browsers" to mean "IE"
# [02:53] <danbeam> vier: it tends to get better and faster
# [02:54] <vier> mmm, personally i have a few things, one of them being peer-to-peer communication (ie. browser to browser, or maybe even server to browser)
# [02:54] <vier> because that alllows a more distributed web
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# [02:56] <pa7> vier: haha I see websites with facetracking and css 3d transformations coming :D
# [02:56] <pa7> or at least a proof of concept ;)
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# [02:57] <danbeam> > server to browser
# [02:57] <hsbot> Not in scope: `server'Not in scope: `to'Not in scope: `browser'
# [02:57] <danbeam> uh?
# [02:57] <vier> pa7: yeh, that would be sick, there is some PoC but its a desktop application
# [02:57] <danbeam> doesn't that already happen everytime you hit a website, lol?
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# [02:57] <danbeam> vier: browser-to-browser would be pretty cool
# [02:58] <danbeam> the new b2b, lol
# [02:58] <vier> danbeam: haha, no i mean the server initiating a connection to the client (after the client has loaded its web page) for eg. pushing notification
# [02:58] <vier> s
# [02:58] <danbeam> SPDY
# [02:58] <danbeam> already there
# [02:58] <danbeam> in Chrome
# [02:58] <danbeam> for SSL encrypted pages
# [02:58] <vier> SPDV?
# [02:59] <danbeam> (correct me if I'm wrong, paul_irish)
# [02:59] <danbeam> SPDY
# [02:59] <vier> which is..
# [02:59] <danbeam> ?g SPDY
# [02:59] <bot-t1> danbeam, SPDY - The Chromium Projects - http://www.chromium.org/spdy
# [02:59] <vier> ty
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# [02:59] <vier> well hopefully other browsers will adopt, and also still need b2b
# [03:00] <danbeam> in the SPDY protocol, each side has the choice to "half close" the connection
# [03:00] <vier> p2p rather
# [03:00] <danbeam> if the server doesn't, it can push things down
# [03:00] <danbeam> to the end user
# [03:00] <vier> ahuh, pretty cool, any other browsers going to impliment it though?
# [03:00] <danbeam> up to them
# [03:00] <danbeam> maybe not
# [03:01] <danbeam> I use Chrome + Gmail, though, so I've used it already, lol
# [03:01] <danbeam> (well, Chrome + any SSL Google traffic probably works now)
# [03:01] <vier> ah, gmail uses that with chrome ey? cool (i use chrome and gmail already)
# [03:02] <vier> figured it was long-polling ajax requests
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# [03:03] <danbeam> ask paul_irish
# [03:03] <danbeam> also, Gmail has always done push
# [03:03] <danbeam> rather than pull
# [03:03] <danbeam> afaik
# [03:04] <danbeam> I've noticed that yahoo.com and many *.google.com sites already have HTML5 doctypes -- pretty cool the rate of adoption that's occurring!
# [03:04] <vier> well, push is normally implimented crudely by pulling with a long timeout
# [03:04] <vier> in browsers that is
# [03:05] <danbeam> every "push" is pulling, but I mean pushing out events from an event loop on the server-side rather than "pulling" from the client-side
# [03:05] <danbeam> ^^ a CPU is just a fast clock, you have to poll at some point
# [03:05] <danbeam> the least you can do with this, the better performance you tend to get, though
# [03:07] <danbeam> vier: Gmail, the last time I checked, has some kind of ever-frame that pushes out notifications when they happen, rather than 60 seconds XHRs (like facebook chat did, maybe still does, for instance)
# [03:07] <vier> danbeam: im not sure im understanding you really... its done on both ends - the gmail server pushes, but in actual fact the browser just sits there waiting for gmail to respond to its ajax request (not including SPDY)
# [03:07] <danbeam> vier: I don't think Gmail is using XHR
# [03:07] <danbeam> vier: for that
# [03:07] <vier> well if gmail doesnt, most other sites do
# [03:07] <danbeam> vier: but I could be wrong -- I looked into it a long time ago
# [03:08] <danbeam> vier: true, like Facebook, but Gmail doesn't, AFAIK
# [03:08] <vier> kk
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# [03:09] <danbeam> if you open firebug or chrome web inspector
# [03:09] <danbeam> on gmail.com
# [03:09] <danbeam> you won't see any really long XHRs
# [03:09] <danbeam> whereas (checking right now), FB does this for chat
# [03:10] <danbeam> whenver you start typing, or a user does, or you send a message, it ends that loop and starts a new conn
# [03:10] <vier> is html5 really only going to be complete in like 2022? at the rate its going i was thinking it should be mostly done this year
# [03:10] <danbeam> it will never be done, that's why it's just "HTML"
# [03:10] <vier> danbeam: i see, thanks
# [03:10] <tw2113> the spec will be "finalized" predicted by that time
# [03:10] <vier> well what about html 4.01 - finished?
# [03:11] <tw2113> browser implementation will be done long before
# [03:11] <vier> i was hoping so
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# [03:12] <tw2113> i am not even sure if 4.01 is finalized
# [03:12] <tw2113> and it was started in like 1999
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# [03:13] <danbeam> tw2113: feels bod man
# [03:13] <tw2113> html5 browser support is here and now, and you're going to be able to use quite a bit of it
# [03:13] <vier> cool
# [03:14] <tw2113> there will just be differences to accomodate for between them
# [03:14] <vier> not so cool
# [03:14] <tw2113> until things get more 100% ironed out
# [03:14] <tw2113> think of it this way, the different browser makers work on the things they value most first, and they don't value the same things at the same time
# [03:15] <tw2113> opera has thrown a lot of form element support
# [03:15] <tw2113> while the others haven't as much
# [03:16] <danbeam> yup
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# [03:17] <vier> tw2113: i understand, but i just cant wait until html5 is written just like html4.01 is
# [03:18] <tw2113> i say, don't be afraid to play around with something even if you have to use a specific browser for it, the others should catch up with time
# [03:18] <tw2113> and there are TONS of resources these days that show which browsers and which versions have what level of support
# [03:19] <vier> byes
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# [03:19] <tw2113> *shrugs*
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# [04:47] <themiddleman> Hi guys, so I switched (again) to ender js. I like it so far but I dont know the correct way to create a dom element, anyone know by chance?
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# [04:56] <paul_irish> nope
# [04:56] <paul_irish> themiddleman: pretty sure you're one of like 10 users
# [04:56] <themiddleman> oh, looks like its just .create, good thing they wrote tests :)
# [04:56] <paul_irish> so... you're on your own
# [04:56] <themiddleman> heh
# [04:56] <themiddleman> Ive been called an early adopted
# [04:56] <themiddleman> er, er
# [04:57] <daleharvey> heh, I have tried ender briefly
# [04:57] <daleharvey> I like the idea, but need a new project to use it on
# [04:58] <daleharvey> im using a project based on require.js right now, not loving it
# [04:58] <themiddleman> yeah I never got into the whole javascript loading javascript thing
# [05:00] <daleharvey> I would like it if it worked and made sense
# [05:00] <daleharvey> but finding it a little inconsistent, and I dont have a clue how it actually works, its pretty much magic
# [05:00] <themiddleman> I think it would be good for loading >100k of js but thats too much js for me
# [05:00] <themiddleman> ow wow
# [05:01] <themiddleman> it probably is
# [05:01] <daleharvey> it somehow manages to load stuff syncronously, which is the part that weirds me out
# [05:02] <daleharvey> so you can var x = require("some/file"); x.doStuff();
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# [05:02] <themiddleman> woah really?
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# [05:04] <daleharvey> yeh, actually annoyed me that I dont know how it works so going to figure it out now, I think it will have to fetch file A, analyse it for dependancies, pull them in, then execute A
# [05:05] <daleharvey> heh line#7 cjsRequireRegExp = /require\(["']([^'"\s]+)["']\)/g,
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# [05:07] <themiddleman> like 1504 callback.toString().replace(commentRegExp, "").replace(cjsRequireRegExp, function (match, dep) {deps.push(dep);});
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# [05:08] <daleharvey> yeh
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# [05:11] <tw2113> alrighty then...i have me some yql results coming in through javascript now....next up is figuring out how to get the results into key/value pairs for localstorage
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# [05:12] <themiddleman> ok guys off to windows for some portal 2
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# [07:16] <daleharvey> paul_irish: I love how half the new websites have an occasionally inappropriate hot pink highlight thanks to boilerplate
# [07:16] <paul_irish> :D
# [07:16] <paul_irish> ME TOO
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# [07:29] <tw2113> grrr i'm struggling a little with localStorage
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# [07:38] <tw2113> basically what I want to do is this
# [07:39] <tw2113> check if the user can use local storage, and if it can, check to see if my desired locally stored data is present, if so, output that, if not, I want the js to run the YQL data pulling and then set the local storage
# [07:39] <ryanseddon> "localStorage" in window && localStorage.getItem("item")
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# [07:47] <tw2113> i really should learn javascript
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# [07:51] <paul_irish> there are edge cases where FF will throw an exception with the above check
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# [07:52] <daleharvey> where edgecase = delete localStorage.getItem?
# [07:54] <paul_irish> nah
# [07:54] <paul_irish> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js#L694-710
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# [08:00] <tw2113> i know how to retrieve the data, i just need to figure out the logic to have it run only when needed
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# [12:14] <phrearch> morning
# [12:14] <phrearch> anyone tested history api yet?
# [12:17] <phrearch> quite exciting stuff
# [12:19] <phrearch> i wonder if its possible to override entering an url within the same domain in the location bar as well
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# [13:16] <gde33> phrearch: ofc not :P
# [13:17] <phrearch> hm, having back and forward buttons may be enough
# [13:17] <phrearch> im trying to integrate url navigation in a websocket cms
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# [15:20] <gde33> now that we have <video> I think we should make something like <ajax> that includes all functionality.
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# [15:21] <gde33> most of the time we just want to display links from a feed. A sniplet, video, mp3 and a picture.
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# [15:23] <gde33> external domains should be allowed to provide any type of content except javascript.
# [15:24] <gde33> the dom node could have the same access policy as the iframe.
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# [15:35] <ped_> agreed
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# [16:21] <vier> question, has the <device> tag actually been dropped from the html5 spec?
# [16:21] <vier> i hear rumors..
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# [16:22] <amitprakash> Hi.. for input elements with placeholder.. I've noticed that the input elements becomes lightened on loss of focus when it has a placeholder.. however non placeholder input blocks [ number etc] donot exhibit this behavior
# [16:22] <amitprakash> This creates an issue with consistency for the looks of forms
# [16:22] <amitprakash> how do I resolve this
# [16:22] <vier> css
# [16:23] <vier> or javascript
# [16:23] <amitprakash> vier, what css .. input:non-focus?
# [16:23] <vier> no, probably 'input:focus' and plain 'input'
# [16:23] <miketaylr> vier: yes, it's been replaced with getUserMedia
# [16:24] <amitprakash> vier, hmm ok
# [16:25] <amitprakash> vier, except how do I distinguish b/w placeholder input boxes and non placeholder boxes?
# [16:25] <vier> miketaylr: why?it looks like its annoying asking the user to select a device, like if i want a camera, they can go and add a file or something
# [16:26] <miketaylr> amitprakash: you can't easily do that in a x-browser way
# [16:26] <vier> amitprakash: well you want consistency right... surely you would apply the same style for all input's?
# [16:26] <miketaylr> vier: huh?
# [16:26] <miketaylr> i don't get the " like if i want a camera, they can go and add a file or something" part
# [16:26] <zewt> sounds like there should be a standard pseudoclass for "showing placeholder", since every browser is going to style that
# [16:28] <vier> miketaylr: i mean that from what ive seen, a pop-up window will allow the user to decide what input to allow, either a file, audio, mic, webcam etc... and i only want the webcam, nothing else, but the user can still decide to choose the audio mic option
# [16:28] <miketaylr> vier: nah, it doesn't work that way
# [16:28] <miketaylr> i'm writing a webcam thing right now, and you just grab a stream from the webcam via js
# [16:29] <vier> wait what...
# [16:29] <miketaylr> but i guess our implementaiton doesn't have permissions yet...so maybe you're right
# [16:29] <vier> you can do that already...? without flash....?
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# [16:29] <miketaylr> vier: in Opera...on Android (for now) http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2011/03/23/webcam-orientation-preview
# [16:30] <vier> ah, is that the only browser supporting it so far?
# [16:30] <vier> Ill wait for chrome or firefox to get it
# [16:30] <miketaylr> why?
# [16:31] <miketaylr> don't like to live on the cutting edge? :)
# [16:31] <vier> because if only opera for android uses it, i (a) cant do it on my laptop, and (b) spec will probably change and be useless when it gets to chrome/ff
# [16:31] <miketaylr> you could say that for pretty much any web standard
# [16:32] <miketaylr> but it should land in desktop pretty soon
# [16:32] <miketaylr> that's just a prototype, it's already in presto core
# [16:32] <vier> i also dont own an android device :( though if google announce a new phone at google IO then ill defs get it..
# [16:32] <miketaylr> heh, yeah..
# [16:32] <vier> also, what about p2p connections, ive heard rumors chromium has something in the works?
# [16:33] <vier> i would love to make p2p file sharing online
# [16:34] <miketaylr> i don't work for google, so i dunno ;)
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# [16:35] <vier> haha, well chromium is OSS too.. but anyways, new question, does html5 or anything web-related allow writing data to a file on client side?
# [16:35] <miketaylr> yes
# [16:35] <miketaylr> ?g w3c file api
# [16:35] <bot-t> miketaylr, File API - http://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/
# [16:36] <vier> thanks, checking it out
# [16:36] <vier> im assuming this also specifies the ability to read data from a file client-side too?
# [16:36] <miketaylr> yes, if you get past the first few paragraphs, you'll see the FileReader part
# [16:37] <vier> yes i did see that thanks
# [16:37] <miketaylr> oh, it's in the abstract ^_^
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# [16:37] <vier> haha, well thanks
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# [16:37] <miketaylr> this guy too: http://www.w3.org/TR/file-writer-api/
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# [16:38] <ped_> i was wondering, is there any <ajax> in html5?
# [16:38] <ped_> would be cool
# [16:38] <vier> sick... any browsers planning on implimenting this yet?
# [16:38] <vier> ped_: what would it do?
# [16:38] <nimbupani> wtf is <ajax>?
# [16:38] <miketaylr> vier: it's pretty well implemented in FF, Chrome, Opera
# [16:38] <miketaylr> IE has some experiemental ActiveX thingy too
# [16:38] <miketaylr> so yay
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# [16:39] <vier> miketaylr: oh file reading and writing is already in FF and chrome? yays! :)
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# [16:40] <miketaylr> vier: i take it those are the only two browsers you care about
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# [16:40] <vier> miketaylr: well i dont care about IE, and id say the next 2 most popular ones (and the only ones i actually use) are FF and chrome, so yes, i care a lot more about them than the other browsers
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# [16:45] <vier> Also, Opera has great html5 work, and so i should need to worry about it :) anything i make will probably 'just work' in opera
# [16:45] <miketaylr> that's probably true
# [16:46] <vier> shouldnt*
# [16:47] <miketaylr> as long as you're not like -webkit- and -moz- only ;P
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# [16:47] <vier> nah, i write mine with webkit, moz and regular standard html5 so that hopefully one day i wont need the webkit/moz flags
# [16:48] <vier> html5/css3 that is
# [16:48] <miketaylr> nice
# [16:48] <zewt> vier: file reading is implemented; file writing is unfortunately only exposed in the spec via the filesystem API so it's not so useful, and isn't yet in any production releases AFAIK ...
# [16:50] <vier> zewt: hmm, is that one of the parts of the html5 spec which will need a lot more work?
# [16:50] <zewt> IMO, the filewriter stuff needs work so it works with <input> just like FileReader, but it seems like that isn't being done ...
# [16:50] <zewt> seems very inconsistent
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# [16:52] <vier> awww, i which i could jump 6 months into the future which hopefully these things will be done, but i need those 6 months to learn usefull tech at uni
# [16:53] <zewt> FileSaver handles the more common, simpler use cases, as long as all you need to do is save a small file to disk
# [16:53] <zewt> (which I suspect will be usable long before file-api, since it's fairly simple and has wide use)
# [16:53] <zewt> er, filesystem-api
# [16:53] <vier> ahuh, thanks, ill look into that
# [16:54] <vier> zewt: do you know anything about eta of p2p connections?
# [16:54] <zewt> other than reading some of the PeerConnection stuff and #whatwg threads, nope
# [16:55] <vier> kk, im under the impression it still has a bit to go before browsers will start implimenting
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# [18:15] <BrianBlakely> Vendor-prefixed CSS Animations === Shitloads of syntax in your CSS #FF5
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# [18:21] <mahen23> hey, so i am disecting the website of Paul irish and i fell on this: <!doctype html public "?">
# [18:21] <mahen23> whazzat?
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# [18:25] <miketaylr> mahen23: paul_irish is kind of crazy, just ignore him
# [18:25] <miketaylr> it's just a standards mode doctype
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# [18:27] <nimbupani> you scared him miketaylr
# [18:27] <miketaylr> haha awww
# [18:28] <BrianBlakely> Wow
# [18:29] <BrianBlakely> Firefox 5a2 has way better framerates than Chrome 12
# [18:29] <BrianBlakely> http://analogysoft.com/things/tinyfins/
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# [18:29] <BrianBlakely> (need Saf, Chr, FF5)
# [18:31] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani/miketaylr: Animations coming in the big O?
# [18:32] <gde33> BrianBlakely: full screen animation always looks horrible, this page is a bit choppy in chrome.
# [18:32] <BrianBlakely> gde33: Works fine at 1080p in Safari and FF5 (OS X)
# [18:32] <nimbupani> totes BrianBlakely just gotta wait
# [18:33] <BrianBlakely> Chrome has notoriously bad rendering performance
# [18:33] <BrianBlakely> nimbupani: I always -o- my code :)
# [18:33] <nimbupani> aww thanks BrianBlakely
# [18:33] <gde33> on c64 you could read out the line where the monitor is rendering
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# [18:34] <BrianBlakely> gde33: Commodore 64?
# [18:34] <gde33> if you replace the screen content half way building up the screen it will always look choppy
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# [18:35] <BrianBlakely> Yes
# [18:35] <BrianBlakely> ..
# [18:35] <BrianBlakely> :D
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# [18:38] <gde33> as this isn't available in js they should have build it into gif or just do all rendering the way it is suppose to work
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# [18:55] <BrianBlakely> gde33 I dun understand yu!
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# [19:14] <qom2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5793852/draggable-scalable-image-in-html5-canvas
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# [19:28] <phrearch> qom2: how about using fabricjs?
# [19:29] <qom2> is it well documented? can't seem to find an official site
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# [19:30] <phrearch> https://github.com/kangax/fabric.js
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# [19:30] <qom2> seems to be what I want though..
# [19:30] <phrearch> its an impressive lib on top of canvas
# [19:31] <phrearch> cool demo here: http://kangax.github.com/fabric.js/test/demo/
# [19:31] <qom2> yeah, saw that
# [19:31] <qom2> but it's too extensive for me, hehe
# [19:31] <qom2> they need more demos!
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# [19:33] <phrearch> its the best lib for objects in canvas ive found so far
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# [19:33] <phrearch> cool thing is that it supports svg as well
# [19:34] <qom2> you wouldn't happen to have some smaller demo?
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# [19:34] <phrearch> sorry nope. the docs are at http://kangax.github.com/fabric.js/docs/ though
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# [19:37] <qom2> ah, thanks
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# [19:46] <tw2113> afternoon all
# [19:47] <[aj]> good afternoon
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# [19:49] <miketaylr> sup tw2113
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# [19:50] <tw2113> dinking around a little before a small retail job interview for part time hours
# [19:50] <tw2113> trying to get a basic js countdown page styled to my liking for the last Harry Potter movie
# [19:51] <miketaylr> ha
# [19:51] <miketaylr> cool
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# [19:51] <tw2113> and setting up trexthepirate.com in general
# [19:53] <tw2113> miketaylr http://trexthepirate.com/hp/
# [19:53] <miketaylr> voldemort is one ugly dude
# [19:53] <tw2113> you are talking about the one on the right, right?
# [19:53] <tw2113> :D
# [19:53] <tw2113> ooh that was low of me
# [19:53] <miketaylr> is that voldemort?
# [19:54] <tw2113> the one without glasses is voldemort, yes
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# [19:54] <tw2113> boo, the autostretch plugin i'm using pushes the bg up a bit too far for me
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# [19:56] <tw2113> aha, it was centering on the Y axis
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# [19:59] <amitprakash> Hi.. for input elements with placeholder.. I've noticed that the input elements becomes lightened on loss of focus when it has a placeholder.. however non placeholder input blocks [ number etc] donot exhibit this behavior
# [19:59] <amitprakash> This creates an issue with consistency for the looks of forms, how do I resolve this
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# [20:07] <zewt> you ... already said that
# [20:08] <tw2113> miketaylr opera doesn't need the prefix for text shadow right?
# [20:08] <miketaylr> ya
# [20:08] <tw2113> just checking, thanks :D
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# [20:09] <miketaylr> np!
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# [20:09] <tw2113> oh netsplit
# [20:09] <tw2113> why did you have to take anton?
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# [20:13] <amitprakash> zewt, me?
# [20:14] <tw2113> miketaylr basically for that trex domain, i'm going to turn it into "resource hoarding" plus little showcases of various cool things i've done or made for general internet use
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# [20:14] <tw2113> one page is going to be html5/css3/js/jquery/wordpress resources that I find useful
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# [20:15] <miketaylr> that's cool
# [20:15] <tw2113> all the newt stuff
# [20:15] <miketaylr> so like your own delicious
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# [20:15] <tw2113> more or less
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# [20:16] <tw2113> or little experiments i've done with markup/css
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# [22:01] <SaadIbrahim> is it possible to style a file upload field like this: http://screensnapr.com/v/Ltw5Jy.png ?
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# [22:04] <miketaylr> with css? not really
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# [22:06] <SaadIbrahim> css and other stuff maybe :S
# [22:06] <SaadIbrahim> i just want to do it
# [22:06] <SaadIbrahim> who cares what i use
# [22:07] <Misiur> is there way to force css3pie on ie9?
# [22:07] <Misiur> it fails to use gradient and rounded corners at the same time, when ie8 works
# [22:08] <uf0_work> ok for gradient
# [22:08] <miketaylr> if border-radius doesn't work in ie9, you're probably in the wrong document mode or something
# [22:08] <uf0_work> Misiur: use progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Gradient
# [22:08] <uf0_work> for IE gradients
# [22:08] <uf0_work> and what miketaylr said.
# [22:08] <miketaylr> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge">
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# [22:14] <Misiur> no, filter will overflow
# [22:14] <Misiur> -pie-gradient works perfectly
# [22:14] <Misiur> http://stretchbox.org/testing/QFoch/
# [22:15] <Misiur> *-pie-background
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# [22:32] <danielfilho> I'm pissing on my pants about Thuderhub.
# [22:32] <danielfilho> did you guys seem the github's project page?
# [22:32] <danielfilho> hahaha
# [22:33] <danielfilho> https://github.com/jeresig/thunderhub — see the readme
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# [22:36] <Misiur> lol
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# [22:53] <danbeam> paul_irish: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2011/04/26/yui-compressor-2-4-6/#comment-598223 <-- should we also rename the YUI Compressor to the YUI Enlarger, lol?
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