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# Session Start: Wed Apr 27 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:29] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: I think he meant inlining imports of files in the same directory.
# [00:30] <BrianBlakely> Which could only help
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# [00:45] <grantg> hey, does anyone approve of this new meme? http://i.imgur.com/v2JAx.png
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# [00:49] <blindMoe> does anyone have any recommendations for playing audio files through html5 but supporting on mobile and desktop devices?
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# [00:50] <blindMoe> I am beginning to think I need to encode each file 3 or 4 ways and still offer flash as a backup :/
# [00:50] <grantg> heh
# [00:50] <grantg> try WAV as a last-ditch
# [00:50] <blindMoe> hehe
# [00:50] <grantg> and use MP3 before it
# [00:51] <grantg> maybe include an OGG
# [00:51] <grantg> Opera has supported WAV forever
# [00:51] <grantg> ff 3.6 does too
# [00:52] <grantg> and so does safari and chrome on mac
# [00:52] <blindMoe> I am basically going to have to store on amazon s3 and have encoding.com watch the bucket and encode in 4 different formats then use limelight to deliver the proper format :/
# [00:52] <blindMoe> it is rediculous what it takes
# [00:52] <grantg> or
# [00:53] <grantg> you can decode a .WAV file in JS and then re-encode it in multiple formats in JS until the browser takes it
# [00:53] <grantg> via the data uri trick
# [00:53] <grantg> I've been working on a similar tick. :P
# [00:53] <grantg> *trick
# [00:53] <blindMoe> never heard of that
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# [00:53] <grantg> because it involves reading the binary format spec
# [00:53] <blindMoe> sounds like there would be no streaming support and you would be stuck with a bunch of huge .wav files
# [00:53] <grantg> and creating a decoder and encoder in js
# [00:54] <blindMoe> hehe think I will skip that approach ;)
# [00:54] <grantg> blindmoe: I'm actually doing a .mp3 decoder
# [00:54] <grantg> that then plays it through mozaudio and web audio
# [00:54] <grantg> and falls back to .wav data uri
# [00:54] <grantg> for sound file playing
# [00:55] <blindMoe> you think it will work on mobile devices?
# [00:55] <grantg> it will check to see if the browser supports .mp3 ahead of time so it can see if it can do a passthrough
# [00:55] <blindMoe> can't imagine sound decoding / encoding in JS on a mobile device is a very good idea :)
# [00:55] <grantg> blindMoe: true
# [00:55] <grantg> 5 second delay. :P
# [00:55] <grantg> then your audio is ready
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# [00:55] <blindMoe> that is the only problem... mobile devices. Otherwise I would just use flash and have no problems
# [00:56] <moo-_-> blindMoe: die flash, die
# [00:56] <blindMoe> moo-_-: trust me.. I wish it would
# [00:57] <grantg> MSIE user classiness: http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/gy5cm/levels_of_msie_classiness/
# [00:57] <grantg> :P
# [00:57] <blindMoe> I also wish there was a standardized audio codec that worked in all browsers / platforms .. but since there isn't... this is what we get
# [00:57] <grantg> .WAV is the closest
# [00:57] <grantg> unfortunately
# [00:57] <moo-_-> blindMoe: my best shot would be use mp4 video + webm video
# [00:57] <blindMoe> can you get decent compression on a .wav though.. I haven't tried in years so I don't know
# [00:57] <moo-_-> mp4 video goes into flash and native <video> on MS / Safari
# [00:57] <moo-_-> and mobile also
# [00:57] <blindMoe> don't want to end up with 4gig files on the server for an hour of audio
# [00:58] <moo-_-> blindMoe: WAV has n compression
# [00:58] <blindMoe> I think I am pretty much forced to go the s3/encoding.com/limelight path ... we need users to be able to upload any format and play on any device :(
# [00:59] <blindMoe> http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html#audio-codecs
# [00:59] <moo-_-> blindMoe: if you are looking for a commercial solution we are already encoding to any devices and desktops through XML-RPC + FTP api
# [00:59] <blindMoe> that is a good site for some quick info
# [00:59] <blindMoe> moo-_-: who is "we" ?
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# [00:59] <blindMoe> we are using commercial solutions so any info would be great
# [01:00] <moo-_-> blindMoe: http://mfabrik.com/technology/apex-vertex
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# [01:01] <moo-_-> I don't have a better link to give now, but we are encoding files for the biggest Finnish TV channels
# [01:01] <moo-_-> and the API is pretty much usable with any site... I have been integrating it for Plone content management system, but it works with Drupal and pure FTP too
# [01:01] <moo-_-> at least
# [01:02] <blindMoe> can it link up with amazon s3?
# [01:02] <moo-_-> yes it can
# [01:02] <blindMoe> can I give you my e-mail address so one of your technical or sales guys can get ahold of me?
# [01:02] <moo-_-> yep
# [01:02] <blindMoe> the site this will be going on will potentially be very large
# [01:03] <moo-_-> it's already 2:00 AM here, so I am not in the best condition to do a sales pitch
# [01:03] <blindMoe> hehe no problem.. I don't really want to hear one right now anyway... been under my truck all day replacing a starter and debugging electrical problems
# [01:03] <moo-_-> de-bugging
# [01:03] <moo-_-> I hope you are not still using vacuum tubes >_<
# [01:03] <blindMoe> haha no
# [01:09] <grantg> ✄ ❥
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# [02:11] <tw2113> http://trexthepirate.com/newt/ anything I should add that you can't see here?
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# [02:12] <techrush> it should read "All our twitter profile links"
# [02:12] <techrush> are/our
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# [02:12] <techrush> great resource btw
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# [02:15] <tw2113> I wanted to compile my own little resource i could point new people to
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# [02:16] <tw2113> ooh, i should add github links too
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# [02:20] <biodegabriel> tw2113: what does "NEWT" mean?
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# [02:21] <tw2113> New Exciting Web Technologies via http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/meet-newt-new-exciting-web-technologies/
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# [02:25] <biodegabriel> thx
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# [02:41] <tw2113> miketaylr what you think? http://trexthepirate.com/newt/
# [02:42] <tw2113> anything I need to add at the moment besides styling?
# [02:42] <miketaylr> looking good!
# [02:42] <tw2113> i decided to be lazy and have the actual lists all done with arrays
# [02:42] <tw2113> hopefully adding to the arrays is easier than typing out each item
# [02:43] <miketaylr> i like how readible it is with no styling, so that's a good start
# [02:45] <tw2113> i'm going to have fun with this next tweet due to mentions
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# [02:48] <thatryan> tw2113: ping pong
# [02:49] <tw2113> yo
# [02:49] <thatryan> finishing a list :)
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# [02:51] <thatryan> im'd you a list yo
# [02:51] <tw2113> thanks
# [02:51] <tw2113> :D
# [02:51] <qom2> anyone familiar with fabric.js? I'm trying to transform/resize an image, and I want the object to keep it's proportions, any ideas? http://pastie.org/1837433
# [02:52] <tw2113> should I include Zeldman?
# [02:54] <tw2113> yeah, i should
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# [02:56] <tw2113> thatryan and i are having a debate
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# [02:56] <tw2113> would https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills be html5 or javascript, technically
# [02:56] <thatryan> i win yes?
# [02:57] <tw2113> personally i'd say javascript because that's technically how it's implemented, and it just emulates html5 for those not able to actually handle it
# [02:57] <thatryan> you and your logic
# [02:58] <tw2113> i'm cursed, i know
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# [03:06] <tw2113> anyone?
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# [03:08] <thatryan> you have my vote :)
# [03:10] <tw2113> if i was getting better response on twitter, i'd ask there too, but i tend to not get a huge response
# [03:11] <tw2113> i need something for the APIs
# [03:11] <thatryan> see if you had my name on the list there you would get more.
# [03:11] <thatryan> lol
# [03:14] <tw2113> still cursed, i know
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# [03:16] <tw2113> strangely enough, rob hawkes followed me after i mentioned that he's listed
# [03:23] <tw2113> it was fun typing "no copyright maintained"
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# [03:24] <tw2113> er enforced
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# [03:41] <thatryan> tw2113: tweeted you out yo
# [03:41] <tw2113> i saw that, thanks Ryan :D
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# [03:41] <thatryan> woot
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# [04:15] <tw2113> :D new github repo
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# [05:09] <thatryan> hecka just followed you on github tw2113
# [05:09] <thatryan> stalker++
# [05:09] <thatryan> :p
# [05:11] <paul_irish> danbeam: why is inlining a crazy idea
# [05:11] <paul_irish> comeonnnnnnn
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# [06:25] <paul_irish> http://www.justin.tv/marakana_techtv#/w/1131504432/2
# [06:25] <paul_irish> live panel with IE and Chrome n stuff
# [06:26] <paul_irish> taking audience questions with #html5night hashtag
# [06:27] <tw2113> are you there?
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# [06:28] <vier> yay p2p
# [06:29] <vier> it will eventually come...
# [06:29] <paul_irish> nah i had shit to do
# [06:30] * tw2113 sends that link to his desktop for better speakers
# [06:30] <ryanseddon> vier: checkout the browsersocket plugin for firefox, you can do p2p using websockets
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# [06:31] <vier> ryanseddon: thanks, but doesnt the spec say websockets wont be used for p2p?
# [06:31] <tw2113> and another ad :D
# [06:31] <vier> <3 ads
# [06:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: it's not crazy, but it also doesn't really offer any benefits to combining (IMO)
# [06:31] <ryanseddon> yeah it won't all this plugin does is make your browser instance act like a socket server
# [06:31] <ryanseddon> and any websocket supporting device can connect and communicate with it
# [06:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: as well as it gives a higher chance of accidentally leaving in a whole extra stylesheet
# [06:32] <danbeam> paul_irish: as well as a higher chance of accidentally double including the same CSS
# [06:32] <paul_irish> :o
# [06:32] <danbeam> (i.e. you didn't know it was inlined so you have the inline content as well as the extra stylesheet)
# [06:33] <paul_irish> watt
# [06:33] <danbeam> but, the latter is rarer
# [06:33] <vier> ryanseddon: thanks, ill wait until some browser supports it with the standard spec though :)
# [06:33] <danbeam> you're already saying @import, so I guess that's not really taht valid
# [06:33] <danbeam> that*
# [06:33] <danbeam> I just think a user should know explicitly when they're combining, but you could always say "inline all the background images to data URIs" or "inline all the @imports"
# [06:34] <danbeam> (P.S. I think converting and grouping background images into a data URI [only once] is a cooler idea)
# [06:34] <paul_irish> right
# [06:34] <paul_irish> yes
# [06:34] <danbeam> which I've seen done
# [06:34] <danbeam> like in juicer
# [06:34] <paul_irish> anyway. i think it shouldnt be a default
# [06:34] <paul_irish> but an option
# [06:34] <danbeam> yeah, fo sho, if that's the case it's AWWRIGHT
# [06:34] <paul_irish> some guy actually wrote it a month ago
# [06:35] <paul_irish> leveraging yuicomp
# [06:35] <paul_irish> but i dont like his code
# [06:35] <danbeam> haha
# [06:35] <danbeam> have you seen YUIComp?
# [06:35] <danbeam> =O
# [06:35] <danbeam> the horror
# [06:35] <danbeam> https://github.com/cjohansen/juicer
# [06:35] <paul_irish> https://github.com/antgrimmitt/caffeine-compressor
# [06:36] <ryanseddon> wow justin.tv has so many freakin ads
# [06:36] <danbeam> https://github.com/yui/yuicompressor/blob/master/src/com/yahoo/platform/yui/compressor/CssCompressor.java
# [06:36] * danbeam eyes bleed a touch
# [06:36] <vier> ryanseddon: isnt it lovely :P
# [06:36] <paul_irish> danbeam: wahts up with stoyan doing the post today
# [06:36] <danbeam> haha, yeah, lol
# [06:37] <danbeam> dude, anything we can get Stoyan's help on
# [06:37] <danbeam> I'm down for
# [06:37] <danbeam> miss that dude
# [06:37] <danbeam> also, he made a bit of the changes
# [06:37] <danbeam> in 2.4.5 pretty sure
# [06:37] <paul_irish> but .. he's still at fb right?
# [06:37] <danbeam> stuff was handed to Reid Burke after, but yeah, Stoyan was maintainer ... until recently
# [06:37] <danbeam> yes
# [06:37] <danbeam> lol
# [06:37] <paul_irish> okk
# [06:38] <danbeam> https://github.com/yui/yuicompressor/blob/master/doc/CHANGELOG#L1
# [06:38] <danbeam> actual changes
# [06:38] <danbeam> /facepalm
# [06:38] <danbeam> however, 2.4.5 was Stoyan, pretty sure
# [06:38] <paul_irish> OKAY
# [06:38] <paul_irish> do you live down there?
# [06:38] <danbeam> Santa Monica?
# [06:39] <ryanseddon> the guy on the right is Tab right? Who are the other guys?
# [06:39] <paul_irish> oh. i meant umm. sunnyvale
# [06:39] <danbeam> nope
# [06:39] <danbeam> Santa Monica
# [06:39] <danbeam> I go to SNV sometimes, though
# [06:39] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: giorgio sardo in the middle
# [06:39] <paul_irish> ie html5 evangelist
# [06:39] <paul_irish> @seesharp on the left.
# [06:40] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: thanks dude
# [06:40] <vier> i love how the people from microsoft said "its open source, so you can right click view source and steal it"
# [06:40] <paul_irish> ya
# [06:40] <paul_irish> haahah
# [06:40] <danbeam> hahaha
# [06:40] <vier> its almost like they dont quite like open source
# [06:40] <danbeam> vier: muhahahahah
# [06:40] <ryanseddon> just disable the contextmenu in javascript bulletproof security
# [06:41] * danbeam rofls
# [06:41] <paul_irish> GOOD IDEA
# [06:41] <vier> which is totally wierd, microsoft is like *the* OSS company
# [06:41] <tw2113> they provide the pizza but can't provide the source
# [06:41] <vier> haha
# [06:42] <danbeam> I lol whenever enterprisey software thinks their code is too good to open source -- when the fuck would I want to see Sharepoint's code, lol?
# [06:42] <tw2113> provide both and you'd have happier developers
# [06:42] * ryanseddon eye bleed at the site of sharepoint code
# [06:42] <danbeam> ryanseddon: yup
# [06:42] <danbeam> I'm sure *some* of MS's code is pretty good
# [06:42] <danbeam> but
# [06:42] <danbeam> not confident about quite a few things
# [06:43] <vier> i belive Microsoft have banned OSS from their app store - probably the easiest method to lose your developers
# [06:43] <danbeam> DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
# [06:43] <danbeam> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
# [06:43] <paul_irish> MAKE IT STOP
# [06:43] <vier> "developers? who needs those? we just need apps for our app store"
# [06:43] <danbeam> old meme is old
# [06:44] <tw2113> pizza makers pizza makers pizza makers
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# [06:44] <ryanseddon> pfft since when has OSS ever helped anyone
# [06:44] <tw2113> crap, now i'm hungry
# [06:44] <danbeam> ryanseddon: wat
# [06:45] <danbeam> ryanseddon: you take that back
# [06:45] <ryanseddon> </sarcasm>
# [06:45] <paul_irish> AWES
# [06:45] * danbeam is relieved he doesn't have to choke a bitch
# [06:45] <ryanseddon> lol
# [06:45] <paul_irish> hahahahaahah
# [06:45] <danbeam> jk <3
# [06:45] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/0b31.png
# [06:46] <paul_irish> i dont totes agree, but i'll let it slide
# [06:46] <tw2113> anyone want to suggest some additions to my page here? http://trexthepirate.com/newt/
# [06:46] <ryanseddon> whats the context to that slide?
# [06:46] <tw2113> life?
# [06:47] <danbeam> tw2113: webgl in JS
# [06:47] <danbeam> tw2113: MDC guide
# [06:47] <vier> tw2113: cant think of any myself sorry
# [06:47] <danbeam> `ref mdc webgl
# [06:47] <danbeam> ?mdc webgl
# [06:47] <danbeam> damn
# [06:47] <bot-t> danbeam, WebGL - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/WebGL
# [06:47] <danbeam> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/WebGL
# [06:47] <danbeam> damn, too fast
# [06:47] <danbeam> lol
# [06:47] <vier> actually, you dont have the jquery api there do you?
# [06:48] <tw2113> no on the jquery
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# [06:48] <vier> dont want it?
# [06:48] <danbeam> while anton's not here - JSLint
# [06:48] <danbeam> :P
# [06:48] <tw2113> i'm kind of keeping that one away as it has a slightly bad rep
# [06:48] <vier> true
# [06:48] <danbeam> tw2113: ES5 spec / strict mode
# [06:48] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: he was recommending the shim for people to like.. use to html5 elements somethingggg?
# [06:48] <paul_irish> i dont know
# [06:49] <paul_irish> I DISAGREE WITH HIM IS ALL
# [06:49] <paul_irish> ?cc
# [06:49] <bot-t> CASE CLOASED >: |
# [06:49] <danbeam> lol
# [06:49] <danbeam> ?fpi
# [06:49] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
# [06:49] <danbeam> heh
# [06:49] <danbeam> <3 bots & paul_irish <3
# [06:49] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: just headbutt him when you see him next
# [06:50] <tw2113> ?ftw
# [06:50] <bot-t> tw2113, Plugins/Authoring - jQuery offers a mechanism for adding in methods and functionality, bundled as plugins. Most of the methods and functions included in the default download are written using the jQuery plugin construct. http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/Authoring
# [06:50] <paul_irish> u lose
# [06:50] <tw2113> that's not what i wanted
# [06:50] <danbeam> haha
# [06:50] <tw2113> ?ftw2113
# [06:50] <danbeam> tw2113: Google web fonts
# [06:50] <bot-t> tw2113, Couldn't find "ftw2113" in jQuery Docs.
# [06:50] <danbeam> muhahah
# [06:50] <tw2113> ?fmb
# [06:50] <bot-t> who?!?
# [06:50] <tw2113> that's it :D
# [06:51] <tw2113> fucking michael beckwith -- who?!?
# [06:51] <tw2113> noting your suggs down dan, don't worry
# [06:51] <danbeam> tw2113: floating mother boards
# [06:52] * tw2113 points to his stickynote pad
# [06:52] <danbeam> kewl
# [06:52] <danbeam> glad i'm not wasting tube bits, :P
# [06:52] <vier> tw2113: lol. also, what about something regarding github
# [06:53] <tw2113> "share the code!" </samwisegamgee>
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# [06:55] <tw2113> i originally wasn't going to list github links in the people section, but i was like "why not?"
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# [06:55] <danbeam> tw2113: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvgjwOjGE5o&t=28s <-- floating mother board @ 0:28, 0:44
# [06:55] <tw2113> i'm lazy so i made all the lists from arrays
# [06:55] <paul_irish> why did half of the bay area just /join this channel?
# [06:56] <danbeam> because the bay area has nothing to do but go on IRCs
# [06:56] <danbeam> @paul_irish
# [06:56] <paul_irish> ........
# [06:56] <paul_irish> ?slap danbeam
# [06:56] * bot-t slaps danbeam around a bit with a large trout
# [06:56] <danbeam> haha
# [06:56] <tw2113> because it's not even 10pm yet?
# [06:56] <paul_irish> oh btw
# [06:56] <paul_irish> http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/04/09/how-to-make-your-own-gecko-reflow-video/
# [06:57] <paul_irish> here's deets if you like that reflow shittttt
# [06:57] <paul_irish> but its basically impossibe to do
# [06:57] <danbeam> whoa
# [06:57] <danbeam> that's gnarly
# [06:57] <danbeam> is it just lke super duper slow reflow?
# [06:58] <paul_irish> yes
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# [06:58] <danbeam> dude
# [06:58] <danbeam> awesome
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# [06:58] <danbeam> I love knowing *how* things work
# [06:58] * tw2113 needs to hack away at a mobile WordPress theme soon
# [06:59] <danbeam> they should show this to every web developer ever to understand why you fucking change the DOM as little as possible
# [06:59] <tw2113> i've been putting it off lately
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# [07:00] <tw2113> and to think, all that happens in a matter of seconds if not quicker
# [07:00] <danbeam> that all happens before DOMReady (afaik)
# [07:00] <danbeam> so very quick
# [07:00] <danbeam> paul_irish: inb4 chrome promo vid
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# [07:01] <tw2113> does markup order matter in those cases? or is the order insignificant?
# [07:01] <paul_irish> danbeam: v
# [07:01] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/2011/dom-html5-css3-performance/
# [07:01] <danbeam> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG0
# [07:01] <paul_irish> and http://www.dayofjs.com/videos/22158462/web-browsers_alex-russel
# [07:01] <paul_irish> danbeam: watch those two
# [07:02] <danbeam> paul_irish: I saw yours already (well, read the text)
# [07:02] <danbeam> paul_irish: will wathc
# [07:02] <danbeam> paul_irish: watch*
# [07:02] <paul_irish> YEAH the text is TOTALLY the same thing
# [07:02] <paul_irish> all 15 words.
# [07:02] <danbeam> lol, well, busy
# [07:03] <danbeam> very few devs on Y! Media Player atm and getting ready for JSConf and interviewing tons of peeps
# [07:03] <danbeam> paul_irish: will watch tonight, though
# [07:03] <tw2113> danbeam has to go do the creep first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPZmPaHme0
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# [07:06] <tw2113> damn, i killed the room
# [07:07] <ryanseddon> you probably creeped everyone out with that video
# [07:07] <tw2113> not my fault, i blame the internet
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# [07:10] <danbeam> tw2113: lol, do the creep AHHHH
# [07:10] <danbeam> me and my friends dressed up like that and went to a club - pretty awesome results
# [07:11] <ryanseddon> I'm surprised they let you in
# [07:11] <tw2113> i wish the tweetdeck app would work on chrome right now
# [07:11] <vier> looks pretty cool - http://alteredqualia.com/visualization/evolve/
# [07:11] <danbeam> ryanseddon: we waited to put the glasses on
# [07:11] <danbeam> ryanseddon: 'til we were inside
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# [07:12] <tw2113> i figure danbeam didn't need to practice the walk :D
# [07:12] <danbeam> sure dawg
# [07:13] <tw2113> i don't either
# [07:13] <tw2113> except i call that my swag
# [07:13] <danbeam> guess you got it back...
# [07:13] <ryanseddon> People have been doing the creep in melboure for a long time just under a differenet name http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI#t=26s
# [07:13] <ryanseddon> melbourne*
# [07:14] <tw2113> dang, some of those people put Michael Jackson to shame in terms of floor covered
# [07:15] <ryanseddon> you say that like it's almost a good thing
# [07:15] <danbeam> ryanseddon: interesting...
# [07:15] <tw2113> i'm waiting for the 30th anniversary of Thriller where he comes back to recreate the video with real zombies
# [07:16] <ryanseddon> the walking dead season 2?
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# [07:16] <tw2113> Thriller Second Coming
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# [07:18] <jacine> wassup!!!
# [07:19] <tw2113> just hanging out...being groovy
# [07:19] <jacine> :D
# [07:19] <tw2113> on irc on a tuesday night
# [07:19] <tw2113> ....................feck!
# [07:19] <tw2113> :P :D
# [07:19] <jacine> me too I guess ;)
# [07:19] <jacine> I'm late to the party though.
# [07:19] <vier> its wednesday avo here :P
# [07:19] <jacine> ah, yes... it is weds for me too!!
# [07:19] <tw2113> i thought you brought the party jacine
# [07:20] <jacine> haha :)
# [07:20] <vier> jacine: Aus?
# [07:20] <jacine> Aus?
# [07:20] <ryanseddon> woo Australia
# [07:20] <vier> australian*
# [07:20] <jacine> ah, nope.. NY :)
# [07:20] <vier> ah
# [07:21] <tw2113> it's only 17min after midnight
# [07:21] <vier> ryanseddon: your from australia then? :)
# [07:21] <tw2113> i don't consider it the next day till like 4am or i go to bed
# [07:21] <jacine> it's 1:17 AM
# [07:21] <ryanseddon> certainly am
# [07:21] <jacine> me too ;)
# [07:21] <ryanseddon> Melbourne to be precise
# [07:21] <tw2113> EST maybe, I'm CST :P
# [07:21] <vier> ryanseddon: ah, brisbane here
# [07:21] <jacine> cool
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# [07:24] <tw2113> perfect timing nimbupani i just saw this http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/
# [07:26] <tw2113> dang, this is impressive http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/SVGOpen2008/barberPole.svg
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# [07:36] <vier> does html5 provide an easy way to hash and/or encrypt data?
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# [07:37] <ryanseddon> I think someone exposed the crypto api to jhavascript can't remember which browser
# [07:38] <vier> kk, thanks
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# [07:43] <vier> does the html5 spec suggest native hash support?
# [07:43] <vier> it would probably be a lot quicker to do if the browser could do it for me
# [07:43] <paul_irish> ?
# [07:43] <paul_irish> theres nothing in html5 per say
# [07:43] <paul_irish> but
# [07:44] <paul_irish> crypto.getRandomValues() is available in chrome
# [07:44] <paul_irish> butthats it
# [07:44] <vier> hmmk
# [07:44] <paul_irish> no hashing
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# [07:45] <vier> ill probably use http://code.google.com/p/crypto-js/ then
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# [07:46] <ryanseddon> there really should be native hashing in the browser
# [07:47] <vier> mmm :(
# [07:48] <vier> with all the ability to read/write files, i thought checking hashes would be up there as a priority
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# [07:49] <ryanseddon> Is there even a spec or any plans at all to have crypto?
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# [07:51] <vier> actually im looking at this atm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dmedia/+bug/719740
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# [07:57] <vier> nvm that link was useless
# [07:59] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: there is a good debate that was half in whatwg and half in es-discuss about it
# [08:00] <paul_irish> where webkit guys were like YO tc-39 YALL TAKE TOO LONG
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# [08:00] <vier> hehe... "yall"
# [08:01] <ryanseddon> so what webkit guys blocked it?
# [08:01] <tw2113> just out of random curiosity, paul_irish do you type like you talk in real life in casual situations? aka not when recording a video or giving a presentation
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# [08:04] <vier> leave us in suspense ey paul_irish
# [08:05] <paul_irish> wait what
# [08:05] <paul_irish> type like i talk?
# [08:05] <paul_irish> i think you know how i type by now
# [08:05] <tw2113> stuff like "totes" etc
# [08:05] <paul_irish> i say totes IRL
# [08:05] <ryanseddon> he speaks in acronyms only
# [08:05] <paul_irish> i dont type it as much
# [08:05] <tw2113> that's what i was curious about :)
# [08:05] <paul_irish> i say 'lahl' IRL a lot
# [08:05] <paul_irish> the two mix pretty interchangeably i think
# [08:06] <paul_irish> i type "um" less than i say it :)
# [08:06] <vier> what about ryanseddon's question?
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# [08:06] <paul_irish> WHAT ABOUT IT
# [08:06] <paul_irish> not imporant.
# [08:06] <paul_irish> +t
# [08:06] <ryanseddon> so you're like the guy who says that's 'lahl' instead of actually laughing?
# [08:06] <paul_irish> "ahmguh, guys that's totes lahl"
# [08:07] <vier> wth is lahl?
# [08:07] <ryanseddon> lol
# [08:07] <tw2113> lol spelled differently
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# [08:07] <tw2113> i tend to type lawl or lols
# [08:07] <ryanseddon> lol pronounced phonetically
# [08:07] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2011-February/thread.html#30241
# [08:08] <vier> oh.. ive seen lawl, and i thought lahl was similar, but "guys that's totes lahl" made no sense in that regard
# [08:08] <paul_irish> THAT IS VERY LOL
# [08:08] <paul_irish> i think it works
# [08:08] <paul_irish> it works if you want it to
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# [08:08] <paul_irish> ryanseddon: no. basically es-discuss didnt' block webkit's plans to do random numbers
# [08:08] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: it's like a novel that thread
# [08:09] <paul_irish> but tc-39 is still planning on a FULL crypto suite
# [08:09] <paul_irish> which is in the docuwiki somewhere
# [08:09] <ryanseddon> for es harmony aka 6?
# [08:09] <paul_irish> unknown
# [08:09] <ryanseddon> or strawman as they call it
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# [08:11] <paul_irish> strawmen are the proposals they toss around that may end up in harmony
# [08:11] <amitprakash> Hi.. like input required attribute exists to make sure a value is provided for an input box.. is there some attr that requires user to check a checkbox before form submit
# [08:11] <ryanseddon> right
# [08:12] <ryanseddon> um required
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# [08:12] <amitprakash> oh ok :)
# [08:13] <tw2113> gogo gadget late night markup editing!
# [08:13] <tw2113> cya everyone
# [08:13] <vier> cya
# [08:13] <ryanseddon> laters
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# [10:16] <qom2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5798183/resizing-and-keeping-proportions-of-objects-with-fabric-js
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# [12:07] <phrearch> hm i guess its not possible to override a page refresh with the history api when changing the url in the navbar
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# [12:11] <qom2> how can I get the coordinates of an object on a canvas?
# [12:13] <monteslu> qom2, canvases dont have objects. they're just rasters
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# [12:13] <qom2> hm, ok
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# [12:13] <qom2> but it's still possible to get the coordinates of an image on the canvas, right?
# [12:13] <monteslu> dojox.gfx can render to canvas and keep a list of all objects you place on it
# [12:14] <monteslu> you can place an image wherever, but you'll need to keep track of where you placed it
# [12:14] <qom2> I'm using a lib called fabric
# [12:15] <monteslu> haven't heard of it
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# [12:15] <qom2> does dojox.gfx support scaling by dragging? (handles)
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# [12:18] <qom2> http://persturesson.com/demo2/
# [12:18] <qom2> here
# [12:18] <qom2> I have this demo
# [12:18] <qom2> I want to be able to get the coordinates of the object
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# [12:25] <monteslu> qom2, dojox.gfx just gives you an API to draw and have multiple rendering paths, like canvas, svg, flash, etc
# [12:25] <monteslu> cool demo
# [12:25] <monteslu> I'm doing something similar with http://drawitlive.com
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# [12:26] <qom2> ah, cool :)
# [12:28] <monteslu> it can move shapes and lines and text around, but I haven't added any scaling yet
# [12:30] <qom2> it's all thanks to fabric.js..
# [12:30] <qom2> although there's not alot of demos
# [12:30] <qom2> might be looking for an alternative
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# [12:31] <qom2> need to be able to scale and move around and image within the canvas, and I need to be able to fetch the coordinates of the object, and also it's width and height
# [12:31] <qom2> any ideas?
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# [12:52] <koggdal> qom2: I released oCanvas about a month ago
# [12:52] <koggdal> http://ocanvas.org/
# [12:53] <koggdal> But it doesn't have a built-in way of resizing and such with handles
# [12:53] <qom2> hm
# [12:53] <koggdal> You can create them yourself though and use the rest of the features in oCanvas
# [12:53] <qom2> is it easy to get the coordinates? and weight/height
# [12:54] <koggdal> Yes
# [12:54] <qom2> like the piechart functionality :)
# [12:54] <koggdal> Thanks :)
# [12:55] <qom2> hm, what about images instead of drawn shapes?
# [12:55] <qom2> (I'm very novice)
# [12:56] <qom2> yeah
# [12:56] <qom2> sprites
# [12:58] <koggdal> You have the image display object and the sprite
# [12:59] <koggdal> Currently in 1.0 it is a little difficult to change the z index of objects, but it has been fixed and uploaded on github, and will be part of 1.1 when that is released :)
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# [13:09] <qom2> uhm, koggdal, sorry but I'm having some trouble with oCanvas, http://persturesson.com/demo3/ don't really get why I get an error message when I copied the example
# [13:10] <koggdal> qom2: Place your scripts in the bottom of your code
# [13:10] <koggdal> You're trying to find the canvas before it's been loaded
# [13:11] <koggdal> oCanvas has a domReady method which you can use as well, but it's recommended to always place your scripts in the bottom
# [13:11] <qom2> ah
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# [13:35] <koggdal> obj.x and obj.y
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# [14:17] <vier> hey, anyone know anything about the FileSaver object? ive seen it before but cant find it in the spec, or anywhere on google :/
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# [14:24] <phrearch> hm, isnt it possible to pop the state of the navbar?
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# [14:45] <vier> does chrome support getFile?
# [14:48] <vier> or the window.saveAs hack?
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# [15:11] <vier> question - how do i get the URI of a blob?
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# [15:13] <vier> ah crap.. window.URL.createObjectURL isnt implimented
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# [15:20] <vier> freaking hell... why cant the world work at getting html5 implimented faster :P i want my file writers and p2p connections :)
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# [15:25] <stenno> vier, aren't websockets already implemented?
# [15:25] <vier> yes, i need p2p, not browser<->server
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# [15:26] <vier> and i can read files... but not write them.. and i cant get the URI of blobs either
# [15:27] <phrearch> vier: there are p2p patches for webkit in their bugtracker
# [15:27] <phrearch> its an implementation of the device api from ericsson
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# [15:27] <stenno> vier, i don't get that, can't you simply use window.location ?
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# [15:30] <stenno> vier, or what do you mean with 'can't get URIs from blobs'
# [15:30] <stenno> the location object is quite extensive...
# [15:31] <vier> stenno: i mean the window.URL.createObjectURL isnt implimented
# [15:32] <stenno> it is in ff4
# [15:32] <vier> or have i got that wrong..
# [15:32] <vier> ahh
# [15:32] <vier> see i dont have ff4
# [15:32] <vier> only 3.6 or something
# [15:32] <stenno> update!
# [15:32] <vier> i use chrome most of the time :P
# [15:32] <stenno> me too <3
# [15:32] <stenno> webkit
# [15:33] <vier> do you also develop for chromium or webkit?
# [15:33] <stenno> no, not specifically
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# [15:33] <vier> kk
# [15:33] <stenno> i try that my page looks good on gecko too
# [15:34] <stenno> chrome is so freaking fast
# [15:34] <vier> i meant if you worked on either of those OSS projects
# [15:34] <stenno> oh no
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# [15:34] <vier> btw, what OS?
# [15:34] <stenno> debian sid
# [15:34] <vier> ah
# [15:34] <stenno> you...?
# [15:36] <vier> Mac OSX (atm), and chrome takes ages on its initial launch.. but i dont think its specific to chrome, its more of a mac problem. even itunes stops playing while chrome opens :/
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# [15:38] <vier> sneakyness: do you live in Hope Mills?
# [15:38] <sneakyness> totes
# [15:38] <sneakyness> why do you ask
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# [15:39] <vier> i did a lookup on your IP cuz it looked similar to mine (which is from australia)
# [15:39] <miketaylr> ITS A TRAP
# [15:39] <vier> and i couldnt be bothered asking "where do you live"
# [15:39] <sneakyness> lol bro I am on vacation in st thomas right now
# [15:39] <sneakyness> I live in michigan
# [15:39] <sneakyness> I'm no stinkin aussie
# [15:39] <vier> haha, well i have no idea where "michigan" or "st thomas" is :P
# [15:39] <stenno> i know Hope Mills only from a bash.org quote
# [15:39] <stenno> michigan is in the us
# [15:40] <miketaylr> st. thomas is where people from michigan go to feel the sun
# [15:40] <stenno> flint, michigan is were michael moore comes from and also where the columbine massacre took place(??)
# [15:40] <vier> ah kk, the lookup guessed you where in USA North Carolina (Hope Mills city)
# [15:40] <sneakyness> lmfao that's like 1500 miles away vier
# [15:41] <vier> well its your ISP's location (Wayport)
# [15:41] <sneakyness> miketaylr: the best part is even though I'm down here i had to spend all of yesterday finalizing an app for a contract with johnson controls 8)
# [15:41] <miketaylr> yay internet
# [15:42] <vier> guys guess what.. i know someone who only got internet a couple weeks ago
# [15:42] <sneakyness> so in other news, I'm actually managing to bootstrap a development company
# [15:42] <vier> sneakyness: what company?
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# [15:42] <sneakyness> nothing you know or need to know :D
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# [15:43] <sneakyness> we specialize in iOS brochures for the automotive industry
# [15:43] <vier> lol.. so secretive
# [15:43] <vier> iOS "brochures"?
# [15:44] <sneakyness> nothing for the app store, generally educational iPad experiences for high profile automotive events
# [15:44] <sneakyness> we've done work for VW Germany and Chrysler
# [15:44] <vier> cool, make much?
# [15:44] <stenno> are you programming apps as in Obj-C or apps as in HTML5?
# [15:44] <sneakyness> not bad for being 20 in my mom's basement
# [15:45] <sneakyness> all objc, we have experience in a plethora of unique areas, though
# [15:45] <vier> sneakyness: im 18 and dont live at home :P
# [15:45] <sneakyness> for instance, frontend javascript development for the nation's leading funeral home cms
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# [15:46] <vier> interesting work?
# [15:46] <sneakyness> fuck no
# [15:46] <sneakyness> does an obituary finder sound interesting to you
# [15:46] <vier> lol, then i wouldnt want to work there :P
# [15:47] <sneakyness> we save the fun stuff for our free time :)
# [15:47] <vier> of which you have.. none
# [15:47] <stenno> :D
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# [15:52] <vier> question, if Silverlight *ever* served a purpose, after html5 is implimented, will it become an obsolete language
# [15:52] <stenno> what is silverlight...?
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# [15:52] <stenno> oh microsoft stuff
# [15:53] <phrearch> ms's flash clone
# [15:53] <stenno> also flash hooray
# [15:53] <nimbupani> vier you should probably not rely on silverlight.
# [15:53] <stenno> html5 will destroy flash once and for all
# [15:53] <phrearch> silverlight runs like crap on everything except windows
# [15:53] <vier> nimbupani: you think i try to develop for silverlight? i make sure i never download the silverlight player, i dont care about the websites that use it
# [15:53] <phrearch> same for all .net stuff
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# [15:54] <miketaylr> but without silverlight i can't watch netflix :'(
# [15:55] <stenno> you really don't need anything other then javascript with html5, jquery, node.js, sammy.js and couchdb :)
# [15:55] <vier> stenno: but will it also destroy silverlight? ms give mixed feedback, and i hope to god it becomes obsolete and never sees the light of day again
# [15:55] <vier> </rant>
# [15:55] <stenno> it will
# [15:55] <miketaylr> not for a while
# [15:55] <miketaylr> there's still a lot of people invested in silverlight
# [15:55] <vier> whyyyyy
# [15:55] <miketaylr> lame as it might be
# [15:56] <vier> the only sites ive seen that use silverlight are dodgy MS ones (i dont use netflix)
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# [15:57] <miketaylr> netflix is a pretty huge site
# [15:58] <stenno> urg
# [15:58] <stenno> i see C#
# [15:58] <vier> hey who suggested FF4 to me? saying it impliments window.URL. createObjectURL? it doesnt support BlobBuilder, which i need to build the blob for the URI
# [15:58] <nimbupani> yeah but they have been experimenting with "Html5"
# [15:59] <phrearch> vieer: this may be useful?
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> var div = document.createElement("div");
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> div.appendChild(timeline.compile());
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> var b = new WebKitBlobBuilder();
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> b.append(div.innerHTML);
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> window.open(webkitURL.createObjectURL(b.getBlob("image/svg+xml")));
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> thats what i have to do atm to get ehe svg into the document
# [15:59] <phrearch> <jimbob> timeline.compile() returns an SVG Element
# [15:59] <miketaylr> right, but i don't think they'll allow it on desktop w/o DRM
# [15:59] <vier> nimbupani: html5 allows streaming, so i would imagine it would be usefull to them
# [16:00] <miketaylr> they can control the <video> on a PSP
# [16:00] <stenno> vier, i said it
# [16:00] <vier> phrearch: very interesting! :)
# [16:00] <sneakyness> vier: we actually have a lot of free time, it's quite awesome
# [16:00] <stenno> vier, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.URL.createObjectURL
# [16:01] <vier> stenno: yeh, unfortunately FF4 doesnt impliment other features i need, but hopefully soon it will be supported
# [16:01] <stenno> i see
# [16:01] <vier> sneakyness: late reply much? :p
# [16:01] <sneakyness> i was taking a shit
# [16:01] <sneakyness> you'll live
# [16:02] <vier> stenno: it does window.URL but not BlobBuilder
# [16:02] <sneakyness> I spend most of my free time playing starcraft 2 :D gotta practice for the tournament I signed up for on the 7th
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# [16:03] <vier> phrearch: also, where else can i see more about these webkit-specific api's?
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# [16:06] <phrearch> vier: no idea
# [16:06] <vier> kk, i guess ill try starting at webkit.org
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# [16:07] <phrearch> http://www.html5rocks.com/tutorials/file/dndfiles/ ?
# [16:08] <miketaylr> vier: you should subscribe to @beverloo's blog
# [16:08] <bot-t> (4 hours 30 mins ago) <matjas> tell miketaylr i think you’ll be interested in https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/issues/249
# [16:08] <miketaylr> THANKS bot-t
# [16:08] * bot-t sighs
# [16:08] <miketaylr> NO U
# [16:09] <vier> miketaylr: got a link for his blog?
# [16:10] <miketaylr> http://peter.sh/2011/04/spring-loaded-tabs-improved-border-rendering-and-the-web-request-api/
# [16:10] <vier> or wait... you mean twitter @beverloo right..
# [16:10] <miketaylr> yeah
# [16:10] <miketaylr> follow him if you use twitter
# [16:10] <vier> kk, thanks
# [16:11] <matjas> miketaylr: github messed up the formatting, but the point is that a check for defaultView.getComputedStyle(inputElem, null).WebkitAppearance !== 'textfield' seems to fix it
# [16:11] <matjas> in case you want to update your test case
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# [16:11] <miketaylr> i prolly should
# [16:11] <miketaylr> friggin h4x
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# [16:13] <vier> wow.. bulk pink on your site miketaylr
# [16:13] <miketaylr> if pink ain't your thing, just refresh ;)
# [16:14] <vier> yay orange :)
# [16:16] <vier> hey guys, i havent got a blog.. but i think i should? what do you guys think
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# [16:18] <miketaylr> if that's useful for you, go for it
# [16:20] <vier> hmm, i think it would be usefull for organising/recording my thoughts.. but thats about it, nothing that interesting :P
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# [16:22] <vier> anyone use torrents much here?
# [16:22] * stenno does
# [16:24] <vier> would it be useful to do something similar online? it would work as p2p, without going through the server, and all you would need is a short url (basicly the ID of the torrent/file)
# [16:24] <vier> or does everyone think its pointless, having been done already
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# [16:26] <stenno> hmm
# [16:27] <stenno> first of all, a torrent file is very simple to read, write and use
# [16:28] <stenno> so it is a perfect candidate for developing around it imho
# [16:28] <stenno> second, i don't know if there are any security issues here
# [16:29] <stenno> third, just try it, if you are a good programmer, you should get a prototype up and running in no time :)
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# [16:30] <stenno> i wanted to write a javascript api for torrents anyway, but i am lazy
# [16:31] <stenno> maybe there is already such a thing, check github
# [16:31] <moo-_-> I'd like to render HTML5 animation on server-side
# [16:31] <vier> stenno: funny you should say 'in no time' - because i can only write files when browsers impliment it, and only p2p connections when browsers impliment it, so maybe a bit longer than 'no time' :P
# [16:31] <moo-_-> is running headless firefox my best option?
# [16:31] <stenno> whut
# [16:31] <stenno> w3
# [16:31] <moo-_-> are there any tools for "recording HTML as video" yet?
# [16:31] <stenno> m
# [16:31] <stenno> w3m
# [16:32] <stenno> moo-_-, we are just talking about filewriter
# [16:32] <stenno> wget
# [16:33] <stenno> vier, look at couchdb, it is a database where you write server side javascript, maybe you can simply write the files to a DB?
# [16:33] <stenno> vier, if you stick around here often
# [16:33] <vier> ill try
# [16:33] <stenno> i might show you a CouchApp prototype for what you want to do :)
# [16:33] <vier> but why to a DB? isnt that.. kinda pointless?
# [16:33] <stenno> also webstorage or something
# [16:33] <stenno> well
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# [16:34] <stenno> wait
# [16:34] <stenno> kinda
# [16:35] <vier> yeh.. assuming you actually want to use the files you download
# [16:35] <stenno> yeah, might probably be a bad idea
# [16:35] <stenno> really, you need to wait until filewriter is implemented :)(
# [16:35] <stenno> :)
# [16:36] <vier> yeh.. and p2p
# [16:36] <vier> okay so ill list online torrenting as a project for the future
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# [17:14] <vier> thanks for your help and feedback guys gnight
# [17:14] <vier> (its 1am here)
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# [18:36] <tw2113> someone smack me
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# [18:37] <tw2113> thank you
# [18:38] <tw2113> i completely forgot about h5bp for that resource collection of mine
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# [18:50] <gde33> I can not use editmode inside a form???
# [18:50] <gde33> or am I missing the obvious?
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# [19:03] <paul_irish> some interesting stuff in here http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/CompatInspector/inspector.js
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# [19:05] <gde33> paul_irish: what it do?
# [19:05] <paul_irish> ?g ieblog
# [19:05] <bot-t> paul_irish, IEBlog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/
# [19:06] <gde33> paul_irish: yes but, what it do?
# [19:06] <paul_irish> read the first post bro
# [19:07] <gde33> chrome is still loading it
# [19:07] <gde33> lmao
# [19:07] <gde33> it rendered!
# [19:08] <paul_irish> if (~navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Chrome')) while(true)
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# [19:10] <gde33> paul_irish: http://chat.go-here.nl/chat.html
# [19:10] <paul_irish> ?
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# [19:11] <gde33> it me testing the "interesting stuff"[sic]
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# [19:12] <gde33> the popup says I should run it in IE standard mode but I never hear of this before
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# [19:15] <gde33> paul_irish: I agree, very intersting. ;) gl
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# [19:44] <mahen23> hello world
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# [19:44] <mahen23> i have been able to make that harmony background work on my website: http://mobilemru.com
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# [19:45] <tw2113> first i forget h5bp, then i just remembered the mobile one
# [19:45] <mahen23> however, if i move the cursor fom left to right quickly, i keeps the ......thingy
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# [20:03] <phrearch> hm
# [20:03] <phrearch> i wonder how these layer thumbs are updated from http://www.chromabrush.com/
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# [20:07] <jdavenport> looks like the image is generated dynamically somehow
# [20:07] <jdavenport> the src of the image contains raw data
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# [20:08] <Jon47> ..inline images *shivers*
# [20:09] <phrearch> hm, maybe the canvas imagedata is put to some inline image
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# [20:10] <Jon47> i guess inline images make some kind of sense for something like a barcode that's private, dynamically generated, and unique to a very specific user and page .. you could email the inline image very easily, though I believe it won't work in IE6
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# [20:10] <phrearch> hm, i couldnt care less about ie
# [20:10] <phrearch> webkit + ff is fine :)
# [20:11] <mahen23> anyone playing with Aurora?
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# [20:11] <phrearch> you mean the opensim clone?
# [20:12] <phrearch> err, opensim fork
# [20:12] <mahen23> this http://nicolasgallagher.com/lab/css3-animated-button/ button looks awesome in Aurora
# [20:12] <mahen23> the animation is very sleek
# [20:12] <phrearch> nice button
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# [20:13] <grantg> paulrouget: You might like https://github.com/grantgalitz/libmp3codec
# [20:13] <grantg> Coming soon. :)
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# [20:13] <grantg> I'm trying to add the rest of the decoding support
# [20:14] <grantg> Because there are lots of variations
# [20:14] <snover> grantg: I’m impressed and mortified ;)
# [20:14] <grantg> layer 1/2/3 with variable bitrates. O_O
# [20:14] * moo-_- wonders what happens on every button press
# [20:14] <moo-_-> the god kills a kitten
# [20:14] <grantg> and there's that MPEG 2.5 unofficial standard
# [20:15] <grantg> Who's your god now? :P
# [20:15] <snover> grantg: chrome doesn’t support mpeg 2.5 natively for whatever reason
# [20:15] <snover> I opened a bug on it once and they wontfix’d it
# [20:15] <grantg> Now that there's this lib that will convert MP3 files to WAV PCM data uris in JS
# [20:15] <moo-_-> grantg: I don't know about that, but Satan comes from Redmond
# [20:16] <grantg> moo-_-: So the js dev can provide their music as MP3 and use this lib if the browser doesn't support MP3.
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# [20:16] <grantg> and then they can take the wav pcm data uri and use it instead. :)
# [20:16] <grantg> since pretty much the browsers that don't do MP3 do WAV PCM instead. xD
# [20:16] <moo-_-> grantg: 2010 didn't bring flying cars, but instead brought me a JS MP3 library O_o
# [20:17] <grantg> moo-_-: Get ready for cross-browser codec support. :)
# [20:17] <grantg> the gates of hell have opened. :O
# [20:18] <moo-_-> grantg: internet explorer 5 will raise from its grave?
# [20:18] <grantg> MP3 not supported? Better drink my own piss and implement a decoder in JS to translate the MP3 data to a WAV PCM data URI.
# [20:18] <grantg> moo-_-: IE5 doesn't do data uris
# [20:18] <grantg> though
# [20:18] <grantg> I did have an idea
# [20:18] <grantg> make a decoder in PHP
# [20:19] <moo-_-> uh huh
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# [20:19] <grantg> and have PHP decode the MP3 so that IE5 would request the file and it would directly be sent to WAV PCM data
# [20:19] <grantg> lol
# [20:19] <grantg> better drink my own piss big time. :/
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# [20:20] <grantg> moo-_-: I wonder how many people would even use this? :|
# [20:20] <grantg> I need to finish off the rest of the decoder to support the "unofficial" and fix some different layer modes.
# [20:21] <grantg> Doesn't chrome support WAV PCM now?
# [20:21] <grantg> safari + firefox + opera + chrome do
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# [20:21] <grantg> but not mobile safari and IE9
# [20:22] <grantg> so IE9 can get the MP3 while the others can get the translated data uri if they don't support mp3 natively
# [20:22] <grantg> :)
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# [20:22] <paul_irish> grantg: you gonna use array buffers if possible?
# [20:23] <grantg> paul_irish: of course
# [20:23] <paul_irish> goooooooooood
# [20:23] <paul_irish> looks hot
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# [20:23] <grantg> typed array stuff is done always
# [20:23] <grantg> I provide "fallback" support for normal arrays
# [20:23] <grantg> I do that with XAudioJS and GameBoy Online as well
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# [20:24] <grantg> I just hope this github repo doesn't get DCMA'd by the MPEG committee or whatnot
# [20:24] <tw2113> i'd believe it
# [20:24] <grantg> *DMCA
# [20:25] <tw2113> they're pricky about it
# [20:25] <grantg> heh
# [20:25] <grantg> then the lib will go underground. :P
# [20:25] <grantg> U MAD?
# [20:25] <snover> CODE JUST WANTS TO BE FREE
# [20:25] <grantg> snover: yeah
# [20:26] <grantg> I'll try to release this asap
# [20:26] <grantg> put this over my GBA emu. :/
# [20:27] <grantg> since MP3 decoder writing < GameBoy Advance reverse engineering
# [20:27] <grantg> in terms of complexity. ;)
# [20:27] <grantg> oh, heh, the firefox community is gonna LOVE this lib. :)
# [20:28] <tw2113> yeah, lack of mp3 support
# [20:28] <grantg> tw2113: Lots of "better drink my own piss" going on with this lib. :/
# [20:29] <grantg> I hope I can actually document this more than my other repos. :P
# [20:29] <tw2113> drink more coffee that way you're essentially just peeing it back out, almost as tasty but a bit more tart
# [20:30] <paul_irish> ON TOPIC PLZ
# [20:30] <grantg> would be hilarious if this repo would DMCA'd before I do the upload
# [20:30] <grantg> gtg
# [20:30] <shichuan> grantg: what's your github username?
# [20:30] <grantg> shichuan: grantgalitz
# [20:30] <shichuan> thanx
# [20:30] <grantg> k
# [20:31] <tw2113> paul_irish what should I add to this page? http://trexthepirate.com/newt/
# [20:32] <tw2113> i need to work on my copy to clarify what it's for
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# [20:32] <tw2113> gah, dreamhost is slow at the moment
# [20:33] <grantg> paul_irish: Would be even more hilarious if this project somehow did something larger than just MP3
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# [20:33] <grantg> and did video decoding too
# [20:33] <grantg> and multiple codecs
# [20:34] <miketaylr> just don't get your pants sued off
# [20:34] <grantg> your video or music is not supported by the browser natively? Better decode it in JS and encode it as a WAV PCM data URI
# [20:35] <paul_irish> tw2113: make the site faster
# [20:35] <paul_irish> doesnt really load here
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# [20:36] <tw2113> dreamhost is having some file system issues
# [20:36] <grantg_> Should this be CC 3?
# [20:36] <tw2113> i'll ping you about it later
# [20:36] <grantg_> Something that puts the website dev at responsibility rather than me. :P
# [20:36] <grantg_> for a license
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# [20:38] <grantg_> oh
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# [20:39] <grantg_> iOS supports MP3 natively, so no worries there.
# [20:40] <tw2113> anyone hear about delicious going to youtube?
# [20:41] <grantg_> yo dawg - http://www.scribd.com/doc/43775497/ISO-IEC-11172-3-1991
# [20:41] <grantg_> ;D
# [20:41] <grantg_> why go to a pay site for the PDF when it's online.
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# [20:42] <grantg_> gtg
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# [20:52] <alcuadrado> tw2113, it's not going to youtube, it's going to youtube's founders: http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2011/04/youtube-founders-acquire-delicious/
# [20:52] <tw2113> true
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# [20:54] <alcuadrado> don't know that for
# [20:54] <alcuadrado> isn't it dieing?
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# [21:08] <tw2113> looks like it's back paul_irish_ http://trexthepirate.com/newt/
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# [21:17] <diamonds> so]
# [21:17] <diamonds> what is ogx video encoding
# [21:18] <diamonds> this convertor program output it and chrome doesn't seem to want to play it :/
# [21:18] <snover> ?g dive into html5 video @ diamonds
# [21:18] <bot-t> diamonds, Video - Dive Into HTML5 - http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html
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# [21:20] <diamonds> snover: that doesn't answer my question, but thank you!
# [21:21] <diamonds> (there's nothing there about "ogx" it mentions ogv and theora, but I have an ogx file output from ffmpeg2theora
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# [21:23] <snover> ?w Ogg @ diamonds
# [21:23] <diamonds> snover: have you ever employed an ogx file for something?
# [21:24] <diamonds> or, do you have experience with this sort of file?
# [21:24] <diamonds> I was working off of this http://www.robwalshonline.com/posts/tutorial-serving-html5-video-cross-browser-including-ipad/ but i'm off track because that program didn't output the type of file I expected :/
# [21:24] <snover> diamonds: no, because why would you use a multiplexed ogv?
# [21:24] <diamonds> aha, we're getting somewhere! :)
# [21:25] <diamonds> snover: I have no desire to do so
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# [21:25] <snover> diamonds: If you did a Google search you would have discovered that information just as easily…
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# [21:25] <diamonds> I was following that tutorial and it sounds like the tutorial is out of sync with the current version of that proram
# [21:25] <diamonds> I'm looking at it now but don't know what to make of it
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# [21:26] <diamonds> anyway sending me to an article on "html5 video 101" that says nothing about the filetype I'm asking about...
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# [21:26] <diamonds> like I said, thanks but it's not really helpful
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# [21:26] <diamonds> ok I'll just d/l a different converter because it doesn't look like this file is going to be useful to me
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# [21:29] <diamonds> is this a good tutorial, if anyone has an opinion? http://www.robwalshonline.com/posts/tutorial-serving-html5-video-cross-browser-including-ipad/
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# [21:30] <antonkovalyov> i just noticed
# [21:30] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/pz8ynk0-5dfb.png
# [21:30] <antonkovalyov> so great
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# [21:34] <tw2113> evening remysharp
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# [21:35] <remysharp> evening
# [21:38] <tw2113> how's life going?
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# [21:38] <remysharp> varied
# [21:38] <remysharp> head deep in workshop prep these next few weeks
# [21:38] <remysharp> well - until thursday I guess
# [21:39] <tw2113> better than "bad" ;)
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# [22:05] <tw2113> http://html5socks.com/
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# [22:13] <tw2113> remysharp would you happen to know of any articles/posts/sites that would help with checking for local storage before calling some yql data pulling?
# [22:13] <tw2113> ideally i want the yql to execute only if localstorage is empty
# [22:13] <remysharp> if localStorage.length == 0
# [22:15] <tw2113> i'll have to figure out how to pass the callback into a nested if statement too...but i can google around for that part
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# [22:22] <diamonds> ok, the demo html etc. video files generated BY QUICKTIME on osx.6 don't work on the ipad...
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# [22:23] <diamonds> I feel like the fellow in this comic http://blog.millermedeiros.com/2011/01/ipad-is-the-new-ie6/
# [22:25] <tw2113> btw, thanks remysharp
# [22:26] <remysharp> :)
# [22:26] <remysharp> np, it was very nearly, nothing :)
# [22:27] <danbeam|afk> anybody know if Modernizr has support for data URIs/
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# [22:27] <danbeam> URIS?**
# [22:28] <tw2113> yeah but i was testing if null, and originally if it had any value through Boolean, i come from php minded methods though
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# [22:29] <remysharp> danbeam: it doesn't detect support as per home page: http://www.modernizr.com
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# [22:44] <Jon47> is it proper to use ::after rather than :after (two colons, to different pseudo-elements from pseudo-classes) ?
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# [22:59] <moo-_-> where could I find cool CSS3 backgrounds?
# [22:59] <moo-_-> for my boring page <body>
# [23:00] <tw2113> no idea what you mean by css3 backgrounds
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# [23:16] <tw2113> moo-_- there isn't css3 backgrounds, just new methods of handling backgrounds with css3
# [23:17] <moo-_-> tw2113: gradients and such
# [23:18] <moo-_-> tw2113: border-image goodness
# [23:18] <moo-_-> I have seen few articles about all nice stuff you can do with them
# [23:18] <moo-_-> but cannot find one now
# [23:18] <danbeam> http://leaverou.me/css3patterns/
# [23:18] <danbeam> @tw2113
# [23:19] <danbeam> & @moo-_-
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# [23:23] <moo-_-> danbeam: thx
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# [23:27] <daleharvey> lol, sfjs is in edinburgh castle
# [23:28] <tw2113> apparently some people are getting married soon
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