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  8. # [00:10] <grantg> snover: Should I dump mpeg 2.5 support? Is even used by people?
  9. # [00:10] <grantg> that's the unofficial extension to mp3
  10. # [00:10] <snover> grantg: it is, yes
  11. # [00:11] <grantg> yes to drop?
  12. # [00:11] <snover> it is used
  13. # [00:11] <grantg> or yes that it's unofficial? :P
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  15. # [00:11] <grantg> ok
  16. # [00:11] <grantg> I'll fix my boogs
  17. # [00:12] <grantg> heh
  18. # [00:13] <grantg> was testing my gbc emu again, noticed a ROM crashed, but not because of emulation inaccuracies.
  19. # [00:13] <grantg> the ROM was buggy itself. :/
  20. # [00:14] <grantg> bitch masked out all the IRQs and threw a HALT opcode. LOL
  21. # [00:15] <grantg> one way to lock up your program...
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  33. # [00:33] <grantg> snover: Should I also add a capability to decode partial files?
  34. # [00:33] <grantg> like an ajax transfer in progress
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  36. # [00:34] <grantg> and just throw the data into the decoder
  37. # [00:34] <snover> not for now at least
  38. # [00:34] <grantg> and save the state for the rest of the chunks, since in some layer modes I need some data from the previous frames decoded.
  39. # [00:35] <snover> Well, beyond that, an arbitrary stream will inevitably end up cutting off in the middle of a frame anyway
  40. # [00:35] <grantg> heh
  41. # [00:36] <grantg> which makes partial file decoding meh
  42. # [00:36] <grantg> since I have to "jump back in" to decoding the rest when more of the file comes in
  43. # [00:36] <grantg> which might make the decoding process hectic.
  44. # [00:37] <grantg> Why are people watching this repo already? heh
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  59. # [00:52] <mikeal> anyone here doing Indexed Database stuff
  60. # [00:52] <mikeal> ?
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  83. # [01:24] <danbeam> paul_irish_: watched your newest post
  84. # [01:25] <danbeam> paul_irish_: 1. I have no idea why a call to .innerText would trigger a reflow -- seems either quite lazy or quite dumb (or both), IMO
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  86. # [01:26] <danbeam> paul_irish_: and when you do set visibility:hidden; on a node you still have to z-buffer calculation for repainting, so it's possible that a repaint would still be quite expensive (imagine a modal box over the whole page that's suddenly made slightly opaque -- it's no longer able to safely all the elements behind it)
  87. # [01:27] <danbeam> paul_irish_: doesn't really change whether or not you reflow, just something I thought about
  88. # [01:27] <danbeam> it's no longer able to safely *hide* all the elements behind it**
  89. # [01:28] <danbeam> (also that assumes webkit/browsers are optimized enough to "backface" culling [if you can call it that...gfx term], they might not be)
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  92. # [01:33] <qom2> anyone familiar with fabric.js?
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  97. # [01:51] <vier> hey guys, im reading in a file with FileReader, i store the file in a blob, and append it to a blob builder, but the original blob and BlobBuilder.getBlob() dont give me the same hash? :/
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  100. # [01:52] <vier> errr...
  101. # [01:53] <vier> BlobBuilder not defined :o !
  102. # [01:56] <vier> nooooooo... hey wait Chrome just updated and now i have IndexDB.. cool
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  105. # [02:08] <vier> ooo voice input :D http://slides.html5rocks.com/#speech-input
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  109. # [02:12] <paul_irish> danbeam: we have a test for data uris in the wiki
  110. # [02:13] <paul_irish> it is async
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  112. # [02:16] <paul_irish> this is some of the more questionable html5 javascript i've seen https://www.einvite.com/static/scripts/common.js search for `htmlFiveEnabled`
  113. # [02:16] <paul_irish> also
  114. # [02:16] <paul_irish> its by my ex-ex-company
  115. # [02:16] <paul_irish> :9
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  117. # [02:18] <jetienne> i was thinking of using speech input in my next webgl game
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  119. # [02:18] <jetienne> as a way to chat between players while playing (instead of stop playing to type)
  120. # [02:18] <vier> just remember it isnt always that accurate ;)
  121. # [02:19] <vier> ah right
  122. # [02:19] <vier> can you record it and stream?
  123. # [02:19] <vier> i just thought the browser translated and put the text into the input
  124. # [02:19] <jetienne> for all i know, this is a voice recognition in the browser, the js only get the typed word
  125. # [02:20] <paul_irish> afaik you can't trigger it without clicking the microphone
  126. # [02:20] <vier> yeh, but there will be streaming for audio and/or video
  127. # [02:20] <vier> i forget the API that is replacing <device>
  128. # [02:20] <jetienne> paul_irish: oh, it will need some experimentations
  129. # [02:21] <jetienne> it isnt like it is hard to support (for my pov :)
  130. # [02:21] <jetienne> just a type to change :)
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  134. # [02:40] <vier> crap... Chrome 11 renames BlobBuilder to WebKitBlobBuilder, and blob.Slice() to blob.WebKitSlice()
  135. # [02:40] <vier> now how is going to be cross browser compatible
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  137. # [02:46] <miketaylr> blog.slice() was shipped with the args backwards from string.slice()
  138. # [02:46] <miketaylr> so it got changed
  139. # [02:47] <miketaylr> prefixing is just a way to be safe until things get ironed out
  140. # [02:47] <miketaylr> you should subscribe to public-webapps :)
  141. # [02:50] <vier> ah, probably
  142. # [02:50] <miketaylr> lol blog.slice()
  143. # [02:50] <vier> i wasnt going to say anything :P
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  146. # [02:53] <vier> so what are the new arguments? WebKitSlice(length,start) ?
  147. # [02:55] <miketaylr> should be just like string in JS string.slice(begin, end)
  148. # [02:55] * miketaylr looks
  149. # [02:55] <vier> ah, i see
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  151. # [02:55] <vier> cuz i cant find docs for it -.-
  152. # [02:56] <miketaylr> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#blob
  153. # [02:56] <miketaylr> right thurr in the IDL
  154. # [02:56] <vier> ah, thanks
  155. # [02:56] <vier> shouldve looked at the spec first i guess
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  157. # [02:57] <miketaylr> its cool
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  161. # [03:02] <vier> hmmm, how should i go about getting the raw string of a Blob?
  162. # [03:02] <vier> ive appended several strings to BlobBuilder, get the blob with getBlob()... but a blob wont let me get its contents...?
  163. # [03:03] <vier> or do i have to use FileReader on it?
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  165. # [03:06] <vier> siiick.. got it :) and yes its FileReader
  166. # [03:08] <danbeam> miketaylr: Performance of feature detection <---> Feature Detection of Performance >>>(^o^)<<<
  167. # [03:08] <miketaylr> hahaha
  168. # [03:08] * danbeam head blew up
  169. # [03:08] * danbeam 's head blew up**
  170. # [03:09] <vier> danbeam's head's blew up ***
  171. # [03:09] <miketaylr> some jokes are worth making, even if it means you have to give a talk
  172. # [03:09] <danbeam> haha
  173. # [03:09] <miketaylr> danbeam: are you going to jsconf?
  174. # [03:10] <danbeam> is your preso about runtime decisions based on browser/network fidelity?
  175. # [03:10] <danbeam> miketaylr: CTRL+F "Beam"
  176. # [03:10] <danbeam> miketaylr: on http://2011.jsconf.us/#!/schedule
  177. # [03:10] <miketaylr> DOH
  178. # [03:10] <danbeam> ;)
  179. # [03:10] <danbeam> yayaya
  180. # [03:10] <danbeam> miketaylr: somebody dropped out of a Track B slot, lol
  181. # [03:10] <danbeam> one's open
  182. # [03:10] * danbeam looks at Anton for his widget talk <_<
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  184. # [03:11] <antonkovalyov> wat
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  186. # [03:11] <danbeam> http://2011.jsconf.us/#!/schedule <-- another talk open if you feel like bothering them to give that other proposal idea you had
  187. # [03:11] <miketaylr> yeah going up against flanagan is about as cool as going up against arussell
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  189. # [03:12] <danbeam> miketaylr: I've never heard of either of them
  190. # [03:12] <miketaylr> but whatever, watch the track A talks online after :)
  191. # [03:12] <miketaylr> lol
  192. # [03:12] <danbeam> miketaylr: I actually haven't heard of any of the A's except Fuchs
  193. # [03:13] <danbeam> miketaylr: (well, and Jeremy Johnstone, but he works at Y! and that's the only reason why)
  194. # [03:13] <jetienne> next conf like that, i will propose a talk on modern games with html5 :)
  195. # [03:13] <miketaylr> hmm good point
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  197. # [03:14] <miketaylr> i know (or of) andrew dupont, dan webb, fuchs, ashkenas and russell
  198. # [03:14] <miketaylr> so barely any
  199. # [03:14] <miketaylr> danbeam: i'm actually still not sure what my talk will be on :P
  200. # [03:14] <vier> fuuuuu
  201. # [03:14] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, what was my proposal? i forget :)
  202. # [03:14] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: widget perf.
  203. # [03:15] <danbeam> miketaylr: track b is where all the cool kids are at
  204. # [03:15] <vier> WHY WONT THE FREAKIN HASHES JUST MATCH ALREADY :'(
  205. # [03:15] <danbeam> miketaylr: we're pretty obscure, I doubt you've heard of us
  206. # [03:15] * danbeam flips hair
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  208. # [03:15] <miketaylr> whatever, track b was better on vinyl
  209. # [03:15] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, ah, 20 minutes is not enough time
  210. # [03:16] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: yeah, I feel like mine will be cut off drastically short, for sure
  211. # [03:16] <antonkovalyov> i really love "feature detection of performance"
  212. # [03:16] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: do you guys do contextual CSS reset / normalization?
  213. # [03:16] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: (like, aggressively?)
  214. # [03:17] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: and by you guys I mean your work on Disqus, obviously
  215. # [03:17] <antonkovalyov> not aggressively but we should
  216. # [03:17] <antonkovalyov> i don't deal with a lot of css fortunately :)
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  218. # [03:19] <antonkovalyov> hmmm
  219. # [03:19] <antonkovalyov> i would sign up for this slot
  220. # [03:19] <antonkovalyov> but i really want to go to david flanagan's talk :)
  221. # [03:22] <paul_irish> hopefully he spends his time bitching about PDF pirates.
  222. # [03:23] <miketaylr> like the first 10 minutes at least
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  225. # [03:24] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: does Disqus use an <iframe>?
  226. # [03:24] <antonkovalyov> ya sure
  227. # [03:25] <antonkovalyov> but not for everything
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  229. # [03:25] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: oh, that's nice
  230. # [03:25] <antonkovalyov> only for areas where you actually type your comment and other cross-domain communications
  231. # [03:25] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: yeah, I see, for security mainly then?
  232. # [03:25] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I wish we had that same luxury, but it'd be a real bitch
  233. # [03:27] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, ya
  234. # [03:29] <tw2113> there, i finally got some styling done for trexthepirate.com
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  254. # [04:14] <vier> i cant file the BlobBuilder API :/
  255. # [04:14] <vier> ah, found it :)
  256. # [04:20] <kyxzme> hi
  257. # [04:21] <vier> hello
  258. # [04:21] <kyxzme> who would get involved in irc client html5 based?
  259. # [04:22] <vier> interesting project but...
  260. # [04:23] <kyxzme> it is just for experimental purposes
  261. # [04:23] <vier> actually, i think IRCCloud.com does that
  262. # [04:24] <vier> maybe not html5 exactly, but still
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  264. # [04:24] <kyxzme> wow
  265. # [04:24] <kyxzme> that s nice!
  266. # [04:25] <vier> really? i havent seen the website yet :P
  267. # [04:25] <kyxzme> thank you for the link
  268. # [04:25] <vier> np, just did a quick google and got it
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  270. # [04:26] <vier> except - its not html5 i believe (using Ajax) and wont support file transfer (html5 will, when p2p connections are implimented)
  271. # [04:26] <vier> that is, direct transfer, none of this piping through the server stuff
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  274. # [04:38] <kyxzme> Well , they will require a user signup
  275. # [04:38] <kyxzme> I was thinking about local software, it caches data, uses WebSQL and so on
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  277. # [04:38] <vier> i see, yeh thats an improvement
  278. # [04:40] <vier> everyone, i lost the game
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  285. # [04:53] <vier> can someone sha256 hash a file of mine? its only 12Kb, and im getting 2 different readins :/
  286. # [04:54] <vier> ah nvm
  287. # [04:55] <vier> im annoyed im getting different results :(
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  291. # [04:59] <vier> its only for binary files...
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  296. # [05:07] <uf0> hmm
  297. # [05:07] <uf0> question, how can I have a gradient
  298. # [05:07] <uf0> and a background image as well
  299. # [05:07] <uf0> at the same time?
  300. # [05:07] <ryanseddon> multiple backgrounds
  301. # [05:08] <ryanseddon> background url(), gradient;
  302. # [05:08] <uf0> example:
  303. # [05:08] <uf0> background: url(../../_images/triangle.png) no-repeat left top;
  304. # [05:08] <uf0> how would I add gradient to that then
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  306. # [05:09] <ryanseddon> You would need to use longhand
  307. # [05:09] <ryanseddon> background-image:, background-position etc
  308. # [05:09] <uf0> so essentially
  309. # [05:09] <uf0> background-image: linear-gradient(top, #00aeef, #00a2df);
  310. # [05:09] <uf0> background-image: url(../../_images/triangle.png);
  311. # [05:10] <uf0> ?
  312. # [05:10] <ryanseddon> background-image: url(../../_images/triangle.png), linear-gradient(top, #00aeef, #00a2df);
  313. # [05:10] <ryanseddon> you can specify multiple backgrounds
  314. # [05:10] <uf0> ahh
  315. # [05:10] <uf0> let me do caniuse
  316. # [05:10] <uf0> to see who supports taht
  317. # [05:10] <uf0> that*
  318. # [05:10] <ryanseddon> same goes for background-position: 0 0, 20px 20px;
  319. # [05:11] <vier> a caniuse...? a cencus?
  320. # [05:11] <ryanseddon> the image will have 0 0 and the gradient will have 20px 20px
  321. # [05:11] <uf0> http://caniuse.com/
  322. # [05:11] <vier> ahhh "can i use" riight
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  325. # [05:12] <uf0> ryanseddon: :) pretty much supported without prefixes yay!
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  327. # [05:13] <uf0> except for ie, but I don't mind that because I'm using filter anyway
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  331. # [05:22] <vier> YES! i got it to hash to the same values! finally
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  335. # [05:33] <grantg> snover: This was actually helpful - http://blog.bjrn.se/2008/10/lets-build-mp3-decoder.html
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  337. # [05:33] <grantg> good to see others blogged about building a basic MP3 decoder. :)
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  339. # [05:34] <vier> in 2008, your doing it now?
  340. # [05:35] <grantg> vier: I'm doing https://github.com/grantgalitz/libmp3codec now. ;)
  341. # [05:35] <grantg> MP3 decoder in JS FTFY
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  343. # [05:35] <vier> "Nothing to see"
  344. # [05:35] <grantg> I know
  345. # [05:35] <vier> yet
  346. # [05:35] <grantg> Still working out the kinks
  347. # [05:36] <grantg> I think my huffman algo is broken... F**K
  348. # [05:36] <vier> what is the decoder for? playing your mp3's?
  349. # [05:36] <vier> that was a stupid question.. i meant playing them through html5
  350. # [05:36] <grantg> vier: translating MP3 to WAV on the fly for cross-browser audio
  351. # [05:37] <grantg> since many browsers support WAV
  352. # [05:37] <vier> i see, not many support mp3? really?
  353. # [05:37] <grantg> JS devs can use it when MP3 is not supported
  354. # [05:37] <grantg> More browsers support WAV than MP3
  355. # [05:37] <grantg> ^
  356. # [05:37] <vier> ahuh
  357. # [05:38] <grantg> vier: Hopefully people will use this lib so they don't need to provide multiple encodings of the same audio file.
  358. # [05:39] <grantg> by re-encoding it in JS when it's not supported. :)
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  360. # [05:39] <vier> actually grantg, you know what would be awesome? make a web app (which is available offline too) and store all your music (say from itunes) in local storage
  361. # [05:39] <grantg> too bad local storage taps out at 5 MB on many browsers
  362. # [05:39] <vier> the point of that - i dont know! but it would be cool to play your music through a browser
  363. # [05:39] <grantg> I ran into this in my gameboy color emulator,
  364. # [05:39] <vier> no
  365. # [05:40] <grantg> for storing SRAM
  366. # [05:40] <vier> it doesnt top out, although anything more than 5Mb - user is prompted (so you can store 100's of Mb)
  367. # [05:40] <grantg> vier: Not from what I've seen
  368. # [05:40] <grantg> Opera does prompt
  369. # [05:40] <grantg> some others don't
  370. # [05:40] <vier> probably not at the moment, maybe your right
  371. # [05:41] <vier> but that is the spec
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  373. # [05:41] <grantg> firefox only warns you that you've gone over the limit
  374. # [05:41] <vier> warns..?
  375. # [05:41] <grantg> and chrome silently fails it seems
  376. # [05:41] <grantg> vier: The yellow bar comes down. :P
  377. # [05:42] <vier> and says "oh well, ill just keep allowing files to use more space"?
  378. # [05:42] <grantg> Not for me
  379. # [05:42] <grantg> I had to manually change it in about:config :/
  380. # [05:42] <vier> so it fails like it should? not allowing files to use more than the quota?
  381. # [05:42] <grantg> yes, but it should do what opera does
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  384. # [05:43] <vier> which is?
  385. # [05:43] <grantg> and ask the user to extend the storage space
  386. # [05:43] <vier> oh, does prompt, yeh
  387. # [05:43] <grantg> yes/no prompt
  388. # [05:43] <vier> although you can probably make your app test the size right?
  389. # [05:44] <vier> and request more if needed
  390. # [05:44] <grantg> people: Y U following a github repo that's not even been uploaded yet
  391. # [05:44] <vier> lol
  392. # [05:44] <grantg> vier: Though people shouldn't run into the 5 MB limit with my web app
  393. # [05:44] <vier> mm, just for future ref
  394. # [05:44] <grantg> heh
  395. # [05:45] <grantg> vier: Saw http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ and http://www.grantgalitz.org/PokemonCrystal/ ?
  396. # [05:45] <vier> ill need it.. once more html5 is implimented
  397. # [05:45] <grantg> :P
  398. # [05:45] <vier> i am checking it out now
  399. # [05:45] <grantg> firefox 4 still needed if you want good audio support
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  401. # [05:46] <vier> takes a while to load :P (chrome)
  402. # [05:46] <vier> woooowww.. i see what you mean by audio..
  403. # [05:46] <vier> arrgh it burns
  404. # [05:47] <vier> what is 'ok
  405. # [05:47] <grantg> It can't do any better than it currently is at
  406. # [05:47] <grantg> Since it's 100% without plugins
  407. # [05:47] <vier> what are the controls? :/
  408. # [05:48] <grantg> z is b
  409. # [05:48] <grantg> x is a
  410. # [05:48] <grantg> shift is select
  411. # [05:48] <grantg> enter is start
  412. # [05:48] <vier> ah i see thanks
  413. # [05:48] <grantg> :)
  414. # [05:48] <grantg> vier: Using chrome?
  415. # [05:48] <vier> yeh
  416. # [05:48] <grantg> heh
  417. # [05:48] <grantg> you probably got the WAV PCM data uri fallback
  418. # [05:48] <vier> so im assuming for crystal - i cant make the size bigger?
  419. # [05:49] <grantg> you can
  420. # [05:49] <vier> manually?
  421. # [05:49] <grantg> control +
  422. # [05:49] <grantg> vier: I made it 1:1 in chrome because chrome slows the hell down when it scales
  423. # [05:49] <grantg> a webkit perf bug
  424. # [05:50] <grantg> in firefox 4 you'll get full size
  425. # [05:50] <vier> ah cool
  426. # [05:50] <grantg> <_<
  427. # [05:50] <vier> odd... im getting no sound now
  428. # [05:50] <grantg> heh
  429. # [05:50] <grantg> chrome might lock up on you if you try to exit it now
  430. # [05:50] <grantg> You might have run into the chrome crash bug
  431. # [05:50] <grantg> with WAV PCM
  432. # [05:51] <grantg> ...
  433. # [05:51] <grantg> also a stack overflow bug
  434. # [05:51] <grantg> :/
  435. # [05:51] <vier> haha
  436. # [05:51] <vier> so if i exit now - it should crash?
  437. # [05:51] <grantg> force-quit
  438. # [05:51] <vier> i dont think it will crash..
  439. # [05:51] <grantg> chrome will just lock up on you possibly
  440. # [05:52] <vier> closing tab now..
  441. # [05:52] <vier> ...how anticlimatic...
  442. # [05:52] <grantg> try to shut down chrome
  443. # [05:52] <vier> quit chrome?
  444. # [05:52] <grantg> yeh
  445. # [05:52] <vier> entirely
  446. # [05:52] <grantg> yeh
  447. # [05:52] <vier> kk
  448. # [05:52] <grantg> what OS are you?
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  450. # [05:53] <vier> now all thats happened is i have to reopen my tab
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  452. # [05:53] <vier> actually
  453. # [05:53] <grantg> did it shut down properly?
  454. # [05:53] <vier> it looks like it hasnt quite shut down all the way... (Mac OSX btw)
  455. # [05:53] <grantg> hahahaha
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  457. # [05:53] <grantg> Is it "stuck" ?
  458. # [05:54] <vier> ima have to force quit it. it has shut down all the tabs etc, and window, just not completely quit
  459. # [05:54] <grantg> forever on shutdown?
  460. # [05:54] <grantg> lololololololololol
  461. # [05:54] <vier> in a not responding state
  462. # [05:54] <grantg> yup
  463. # [05:54] <vier> mmk
  464. # [05:54] <vier> not going back to your site -.- lol
  465. # [05:54] <grantg> chrome: Y U so buggy?
  466. # [05:55] <grantg> chrome did one to many barrel rolls. <_<
  467. # [05:55] <grantg> *too
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  469. # [05:57] <grantg> paul_irish: ^
  470. # [05:58] <vier> anyone got a 1+ Mb JPEG image i can use?
  471. # [05:59] <grantg> ask 4chan
  472. # [05:59] <vier> 4chan: got a 1+ Mb jpeg? loljokesimnotstupid
  473. # [05:59] <grantg> ...
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  475. # [06:00] <vier> is there a way to search images on size? if not then..
  476. # [06:01] <vier> sick.. got a 2Mb PNG
  477. # [06:02] <ryanseddon> Just search for animated gifs they're huge
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  479. # [06:04] <vier> sigh.. hashing fail -.- just freakin hash the file correctly pleeeaasseee
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  482. # [06:07] <vier> dammiiiitttt
  483. # [06:07] <vier> soz guys, raging at my code
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  491. # [06:37] <vier> crap
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  493. # [06:39] <vier> chrome is not reading the binary data consistently
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  498. # [06:47] <vier> wow.. read in the same image twice.. all the components are the same - but at the end when they are grouped using BlobBuilder - i get different results!
  499. # [06:49] <uf0> Im using a gradient filter for a IE background, the text inside the DIV
  500. # [06:49] <uf0> got an applied filter as well
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  502. # [06:50] <uf0> any ideas to fix this?
  503. # [06:50] <uf0> IE8
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  510. # [07:10] <vier> uf0: to fix in 1 simple step: dont support IE
  511. # [07:11] <vier> that 1 simple trick solves almost all my problems
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  551. # [08:51] <niftylettuce> \o
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  556. # [09:00] <vier> niftylettuce: yesum?
  557. # [09:00] <vier> thats wierd language for 'yes?'
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  559. # [09:01] <niftylettuce> oy just greetings
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  561. # [09:04] <danbeam> antonkovalyov, paul_irish: what do you use for online presos?
  562. # [09:04] <danbeam> (or anybody else)
  563. # [09:04] <paul_irish> whats an online preso
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  565. # [09:04] <vier> whats a 'paul_irish'
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  567. # [09:08] <danbeam> paul_irish: a presentation via a web browser
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  569. # [09:08] <danbeam> paul_irish: inb4 google docs
  570. # [09:08] <paul_irish> ive been using the one from hakim.se recently
  571. # [09:09] <paul_irish> fuuuuuuck google docs
  572. # [09:09] <danbeam> paul_irish: ok, I'll check it out
  573. # [09:09] <paul_irish> those presentations blo
  574. # [09:09] <paul_irish> w
  575. # [09:09] <danbeam> paul_irish: I was gonna use Swinger but the whitespace is really inflexible
  576. # [09:09] <paul_irish> o
  577. # [09:09] <danbeam> paul_irish: (by quirky)
  578. # [09:09] <paul_irish> yeah
  579. # [09:09] <paul_irish> i like swinger
  580. # [09:09] <danbeam> it's cool, but, meh
  581. # [09:09] <danbeam> we'll see
  582. # [09:09] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, i don't use online preso
  583. # [09:09] <danbeam> gotta do my preso
  584. # [09:09] <antonkovalyov> haha preso
  585. # [09:09] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: ok, cool
  586. # [09:09] <antonkovalyov> i use keynote
  587. # [09:10] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: cool
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  589. # [09:10] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I'm not a macfag enough to do that
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  591. # [09:10] <ryanseddon> what ever you do don't search for swinger html5 :|
  592. # [09:10] <danbeam> ryanseddon: lulz
  593. # [09:10] <antonkovalyov> :(
  594. # [09:10] <danbeam> http://swinger.quirkey.com/
  595. # [09:10] <ryanseddon> esepcially when your at work!
  596. # [09:10] <danbeam> @ryanseddon
  597. # [09:10] <antonkovalyov> nothing beats the presenter view of keynote
  598. # [09:10] <ryanseddon> danbeam: cheers
  599. # [09:11] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: ok
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  602. # [09:16] <vier> ryanseddon: you clearly did not think that through did you :P
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  604. # [09:16] <ryanseddon> well i thought i was safe with html5
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  614. # [09:54] <Misiur> lol, "Universal support for inline SVG in HTML 5 with SVGweb on all modern browsers and IE. " - laughed a little
  615. # [09:54] <vier> haha, i like it
  616. # [09:54] <vier> its funny cuz its true
  617. # [09:54] <Misiur> yuup
  618. # [09:55] <Misiur> Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera render the SVG code natively, IE uses the SVGweb Flash renderer. - only "modern" retard browser left
  619. # [09:55] <vier> wow, just read this "Of course, the most obvious breakage in the average computer user's life is Windows itself"
  620. # [09:56] <vier> im more interested in this article now
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  622. # [09:56] <moo-_-> hey: anyone done server-side HTML rendering?
  623. # [09:57] <vier> moo-_-: you mean like.... <? echo "<html</html"; ?> ?
  624. # [09:57] <Misiur> http://www.storiesinflight.com/html5/ - I'm looking for something like css3pie colliding with svgweb on IE7
  625. # [09:57] <moo-_-> vier: no
  626. # [09:57] <moo-_-> I mean like running a browser on your server
  627. # [09:57] <vier> then... install a browser on your server...?
  628. # [09:57] <moo-_-> vier: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5805850/rendering-html5-animation-server-side
  629. # [09:58] <Misiur> "browserly challenged people" - awesome
  630. # [09:59] <vier> moo-_-: im not sure - how big are these "animations"? your entire page? do you just need to create a video from a couple things?
  631. # [09:59] <moo-_-> they might be big
  632. # [09:59] <moo-_-> and it must be automatic
  633. # [09:59] <vier> you cant use jQuery UI if they dont support something?
  634. # [10:00] <vier> or graceful degredation?
  635. # [10:00] <moo-_-> vier: I am well aware of these things and I wouldn't be asking the question if I knew other approaches work :)
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  637. # [10:01] <vier> moo-_-: well, its impossible for me to know what you do/dont know by a username... and what kind of complex html5-only thing are you doing which jquery and/or flash cant do?
  638. # [10:02] <vier> "animations" is a bit broad
  639. # [10:02] <moo-_-> vier: ok, maybe I have a good comparison
  640. # [10:02] <moo-_-> a tool like this http://animoto.com/
  641. # [10:03] <moo-_-> it allows you to create slideshows in flash and outputs complex videos
  642. # [10:03] <moo-_-> we have a use case doing a similar tool, but no flash :)
  643. # [10:03] <vier> html5 is the alternative to flash, flash is the alternative to html5...
  644. # [10:04] <vier> other than that - jquery UI (i believe) is really the only other thing
  645. # [10:04] <vier> maybe im wrong.. but maybe you could explain what your site does?
  646. # [10:05] <moo-_-> stackoverflow question has all the relevant information :)
  647. # [10:06] <moo-_-> there is no point to discuss if we are not discussing about the same thing :)
  648. # [10:06] <vier> mm, well thats all i can come up with, unless someone else can chip in
  649. # [10:07] <moo-_-> vier: thanks though
  650. # [10:07] <moo-_-> I think this is a question more for X/browser developers than front end folks
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  652. # [10:09] <vier> if its server side, then maybe talk to people in php, ruby, java, etc
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  655. # [10:14] <Misiur> Why the hell section looks good everywhere? I'm starting to overuse it, just like it was with div's :c
  656. # [10:15] <danbeam> anybody from Opera around?
  657. # [10:16] <vier> Misiur: http://www.impressivewebs.com/html5-section/
  658. # [10:16] <vier> check out the DO's and DONT
  659. # [10:16] <vier> 's
  660. # [10:17] <Misiur> vier: thanks, I'll check it out. Oh, btw, has anyone met opera weird bg bleeding while using rounded corners?
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  663. # [10:18] <Misiur> oh, article for widgets? Well, let's see
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  685. # [11:41] <vier> anyone able to help me out with the BlobBuilder?
  686. # [11:42] <phrearch> hey vier
  687. # [11:42] <vier> i am bb.append()'ing several blobs, and even though the resulting getBlob() is the same size, the contents are not the same
  688. # [11:42] <vier> hey phrearch :)
  689. # [11:42] <phrearch> still no luck with the blob thing?
  690. # [11:42] <vier> nah.. it appears to be a webkit problem...
  691. # [11:42] <vier> what was i stuck on last time?
  692. # [11:43] <vier> hashes not matching?
  693. # [11:43] <phrearch> hm, think with getting an actual blob?
  694. # [11:43] <phrearch> did you find some webkit speficic docs ?
  695. # [11:43] <vier> no :( its for new WebKitBlobBuilder()
  696. # [11:44] <phrearch> seems like a poorly documented feature indeed
  697. # [11:45] <vier> hmm... well so far ive uploaded (to the broswer) a 2mb image in 2 parts - each piece is correctly uploaded (checking hashes), but after appending them to the blob builder, FileReader on the entire blob does not match
  698. # [11:46] <vier> so im thinking about putting in a bug report
  699. # [11:46] <phrearch> yea, could well be a bug
  700. # [11:46] <vier> last time, i even managed to run the exact same code.. and get different results! :D
  701. # [11:47] <phrearch> it seems to be used in closure compiler as well
  702. # [11:47] <phrearch> http://code.google.com/p/closure-compiler/source/browse/trunk/externs/fileapi.js?spec=svn1042&r=1042
  703. # [11:48] <vier> closer compiler?
  704. # [11:49] <phrearch> yea, some minification/cleanup app for js
  705. # [11:49] <vier> mmmk, thanks, ill check it out
  706. # [11:50] <phrearch> hope it helps
  707. # [11:51] <phrearch> heh, i almost got this history api thing applied to websockets. pretty cool stuff
  708. # [11:51] <vier> its interesting at least :)
  709. # [11:51] <vier> what for?
  710. # [11:51] <vier> got a link?
  711. # [11:51] <phrearch> turns out that urls now are being used to point to a clientside resource, instead of a serverside
  712. # [11:51] <phrearch> not yet. im working on a small demo which must be up by tomorrow
  713. # [11:52] <phrearch> idea is to apply urls on websockets
  714. # [11:52] <vier> sounds interesting
  715. # [11:52] <vier> link me later
  716. # [11:52] <phrearch> yea, it's faking http :-)
  717. # [11:52] <phrearch> will do
  718. # [11:53] <vier> now following your github
  719. # [11:53] <vier> which i dont use :/
  720. # [11:53] <phrearch> ah :)
  721. # [11:53] <vier> maybe i should put up some of my projects on github
  722. # [11:54] <vier> if i can find all my sauce :P
  723. # [11:54] <phrearch> yea, i used to keep my own git repos on my server before, but i like github
  724. # [11:54] <phrearch> gitosis caused too many headaches
  725. # [11:55] <phrearch> https://github.com/phrearch/hwios is the websocket cms thing by the way
  726. # [11:55] <vier> ah, thanks
  727. # [11:56] <phrearch> still needs some heavy refactoring. it was a webinterface to opensim initially
  728. # [11:57] <vier> all written in python? how does that work? where is your client-side code :/
  729. # [11:58] <phrearch> yea the websocket server is built on twisted and django. clientside code is in services/web_ui/media/scripts
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  731. # [11:58] <vier> ah
  732. # [11:58] <vier> have you heard of node.js?
  733. # [11:58] <vier> apparently is good for these sorts of things
  734. # [11:59] <phrearch> yea, it is. i've been doubting to use node.js before, but python still has a lot more libs
  735. # [12:00] <vier> ah yeh, true
  736. # [12:00] <phrearch> i need to get it done in the least amount of time. node.js wasn't really ready at the time i started
  737. # [12:00] <vier> ahuh
  738. # [12:00] <vier> is this project for your work?
  739. # [12:00] <phrearch> maybe i would make a different decision now, because node.js has some powerful libs as well
  740. # [12:00] <phrearch> yea, its a sponsored research project
  741. # [12:00] <vier> i see
  742. # [12:00] <phrearch> at least, for now :)
  743. # [12:01] <phrearch> thats what i need the demo for tomorrow. hopefully i can work on it for another year
  744. # [12:01] <vier> also, with the fileapi you linked to me before, how do i view the implimentation for each of the functions?
  745. # [12:02] <phrearch> hm, im not sure. it doesnt seem webkit keeps a doxygen thing, so maybe you need to dig into the source itself?
  746. # [12:03] <vier> sigh...
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  748. # [12:04] <phrearch> yea, i know the feeling :)
  749. # [12:04] <phrearch> i got like insane from searching weeks for a good way to handle a contenteditable with its events
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  751. # [12:05] <phrearch> i had no problems with a textarea, but i wanted to put remote cursors in the editing area...bad idea...
  752. # [12:06] <vier> 'remote cursors' like google docs?
  753. # [12:07] <phrearch> yea, something like it
  754. # [12:07] <phrearch> it works ok now, but its not really optimized
  755. # [12:07] <phrearch> i got really sick of it, made it work ok, and left it as it is
  756. # [12:08] <vier> who paid for the research project?
  757. # [12:08] <phrearch> its based on jinfinote/py-infinote
  758. # [12:08] <phrearch> http://nlnet.nl/
  759. # [12:08] <phrearch> and an educational dutch organisation called surfnet
  760. # [12:09] <phrearch> they sponsor a lot of open source projects
  761. # [12:10] <vier> ah cool
  762. # [12:11] <vier> and you have a time frame i assume?
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  765. # [12:11] <phrearch> yea, currently im working on the last milestone
  766. # [12:11] <phrearch> https://github.com/phrearch/hwios/issues
  767. # [12:12] <phrearch> made some changes on the way though. xmpp chat got replaced by a multi-user drawing pad
  768. # [12:14] <phrearch> new proposal will focus on integration with realxtend tundra, and adding more cms features
  769. # [12:15] <vier> wow... BlobBuilder.append() has decided to only store the middle of my document :/
  770. # [12:17] <phrearch> hm, seems blobbuilder came from google gears?
  771. # [12:17] <phrearch> http://code.google.com/intl/nl-NL/apis/gears/api_blobbuilder.html#overview
  772. # [12:18] <phrearch> heh, seems like this is one of the most undocumented features
  773. # [12:19] <phrearch> http://www.html5rocks.com/tutorials/workers/basics/
  774. # [12:19] <phrearch> some docs about it there though
  775. # [12:19] <vier> which is terrible when you need it... i was going to use this 'segmented' approach to allow an online form of p2p torrenting
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  778. # [12:20] <phrearch> hm, then you may find this interesting: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-unassigned/2011-February/287891.html
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  780. # [12:21] <vier> ive seen that before ;)
  781. # [12:21] <phrearch> i never tested those patches, but it allows you to setup p2p connections between browsers afaik
  782. # [12:21] <phrearch> ah ok :)
  783. # [12:21] <phrearch> never read about anyone tested it succesfully though
  784. # [12:21] <vier> the patch by ericson isnt release i dont think
  785. # [12:22] <vier> <device> isnt implimented anymore anyway
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  787. # [12:23] <phrearch> hm, too bad
  788. # [12:24] <vier> my idea will take ages though, as FileWriter needs to be implimented as well as P2P connections
  789. # [12:24] <vier> phrearch: there is an API which replaces it... i *think* its called 'getUserMedia' API
  790. # [12:24] <phrearch> aha
  791. # [12:25] <phrearch> found a discussion about device design: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/ivoLASYR2MszgsXIamZr
  792. # [12:25] <phrearch> yea, 'getUserMedia' seems to more recent
  793. # [12:25] <phrearch> http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2011/03/23/webcam-orientation-preview
  794. # [12:26] <phrearch> opera seems to support it already
  795. # [12:26] <vier> yes, so ive heard :)
  796. # [12:26] <vier> danbeam linked to that yesterday i believe
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  798. # [12:27] <phrearch> hm http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/83287
  799. # [12:27] <phrearch> nice to know there is something going on with multiple browsers supporting the same api
  800. # [12:28] <vier> yeh, 6 months should show a ton of new features implimented and become standard
  801. # [12:29] <phrearch> exciting times for webdevs atm
  802. # [12:30] <vier> mmm. hey, can you think of an interesting thing to impliment? which hasnt already been extensively demoed
  803. # [12:30] <phrearch> in a webapp?
  804. # [12:30] <vier> anything, but web app is preferable
  805. # [12:31] <phrearch> yea, a collaborative modtracker based on the sound api and websockets :)
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  807. # [12:31] <vier> why sound API?
  808. # [12:31] <phrearch> ehm not sure. i thought thats needed to mix sound and stuff
  809. # [12:31] <phrearch> like https://github.com/corbanbrook/dsp.js/
  810. # [12:32] <phrearch> or a html5 vj app
  811. # [12:32] <phrearch> collaborative vj'ing :)
  812. # [12:32] <vier> hehe, im doing something like think in C for Uni
  813. # [12:32] <vier> vj?
  814. # [12:32] <phrearch> video jockey
  815. # [12:33] <vier> video jockey? :P
  816. # [12:33] <phrearch> yea, mixing vids on music
  817. # [12:33] <vier> ah
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  819. # [12:33] <phrearch> would be nice to have like a frontend and a backend. frontend outputting just the video and music, and the backend for realtime mixing
  820. # [12:34] <vier> ahuh
  821. # [12:34] <phrearch> bit crazy idea, but might be possible with today's browsers
  822. # [12:34] <vier> mmm, assuming you can write files :P
  823. # [12:34] <phrearch> yea, thats where the blobbuilder comes in handy ;)
  824. # [12:35] <phrearch> now if only it has some docs
  825. # [12:36] <phrearch> nice news blog about webkit by the way: http://peter.sh/category/rendering-engines/webkit/
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  827. # [12:36] <vier> ah, the 2nd person to reference the peter.sh blog
  828. # [12:36] <phrearch> ah :)
  829. # [12:38] <vier> oooo... about:flags in chrome..
  830. # [12:38] <phrearch> yea, not so much features as with commandline though
  831. # [12:38] <phrearch> i switched on the gpu-accelated stuff, but found that canvas is about 50% slower then
  832. # [12:39] <vier> ...so its decelerated.. lovely
  833. # [12:40] <phrearch> haha, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mXe9nRiPHI&feature=player_embedded#at=97
  834. # [12:40] <vier> omg... it says P@P API!
  835. # [12:41] <phrearch> huh it does?
  836. # [12:41] <phrearch> what version?
  837. # [12:41] <Peter`> phrearch: \o/
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  839. # [12:41] <Peter`> thanks :)
  840. # [12:41] <vier> 11
  841. # [12:41] <vier> it says its under development - not available yet :(
  842. # [12:41] <phrearch> Peter`: :-)
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  844. # [12:43] <phrearch> vier: ow too bad :(
  845. # [12:43] <phrearch> maybe in the nightly builds
  846. # [12:43] <vier> hehehe phrearch nice youtube link
  847. # [12:44] <phrearch> yea :)
  848. # [12:44] <vier> phrearch: probably... i hear dev channel is in chrome v12 already
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  850. # [12:44] <vier> im in beta channel
  851. # [12:44] <phrearch> hm p2p is available in v12?
  852. # [12:45] <vier> dunno
  853. # [12:45] <vier> ill go get dev now
  854. # [12:47] <phrearch> a html5 conference/webinar app is high on my want-todo list :)
  855. # [12:50] <vier> possible under streaming and p2p :P
  856. # [12:51] <phrearch> i wonder if the getUserMedia thing in webkit supports getting webcam data
  857. # [12:51] <vier> ermm... http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/eula_dev.html cant find the dev build :/
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  859. # [12:51] <vier> phrearch: it will
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  862. # [12:52] <jetienne> vier: which os ?
  863. # [12:52] <phrearch> http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel#TOC-Linux ?
  864. # [12:53] <vier> found the proper link (for chrome):http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?extra=devchannel
  865. # [12:53] <phrearch> hm, nothing for archlinux :(
  866. # [12:54] <jetienne> phrearch: im sure they got chromium
  867. # [12:54] <jetienne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chromium
  868. # [12:55] <phrearch> jetienne: ah, dev channels are in aur
  869. # [12:57] <vier> hehe... "if you are willing to sacrifice everything for benchmarks, then i suggest you pipe your data to dev null - it will be very fast"
  870. # [12:57] <phrearch> heh yea :)
  871. # [12:58] <vier> Ah ArchLinux.. i used to have it :)
  872. # [12:58] <phrearch> what distro you run nowadays?
  873. # [12:59] <vier> macosx :P
  874. # [12:59] <phrearch> ah cool
  875. # [12:59] <vier> went Fedora -> Arch -> Ubuntu -> Mac OSX
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  877. # [13:00] <vier> i screw up OS's when im giving too much access :P
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  879. # [13:00] <phrearch> i would be glad to use an imac with osx, but i like to mess things up :)
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  882. # [13:01] <phrearch> hm, needs to build chromium from source
  883. # [13:03] <phrearch> i like ubuntu as well
  884. # [13:03] <phrearch> it works quite ok for both desktop and server
  885. # [13:03] <vier> mm, a friend is using ubuntu server
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  887. # [13:05] <phrearch> most vps companies offer ubuntu server images. it feels like optimized debian :)
  888. # [13:05] <phrearch> debian seems a bit outdated to me
  889. # [13:06] <bLUEEE> when trying to make a canvas be full screen : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1664785/html5-canvas-resize-to-fit-window
  890. # [13:07] <bLUEEE> it gives scroll bars ?
  891. # [13:07] <phrearch> blUEEE: scrollbars are probably from the container?
  892. # [13:08] <phrearch> overflow-y:hidden ?
  893. # [13:08] <vier> ehhhh
  894. # [13:08] <bLUEEE> its just <body><canvas></body>..
  895. # [13:08] <vier> chrome dev channel is the same...
  896. # [13:08] <vier> or maybe i was in dev channel before...
  897. # [13:08] <phrearch> vier: aww, too bad :/
  898. # [13:08] <bLUEEE> oh wait.. ! sorry !
  899. # [13:08] <vier> where is chromium? i need v12
  900. # [13:09] <phrearch> http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/official/chromium-12.0.742.9.tar.bz2
  901. # [13:09] <vier> is there a dmg of it?
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  903. # [13:10] <phrearch> hm not sure
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  906. # [13:14] <phrearch> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/MacBuildInstructions
  907. # [13:14] <vier> just saw that before, i think ill wait until devs get v12
  908. # [13:16] <vier> it involves downloading several tools, and modding so the building process doesnt crash your pc
  909. # [13:17] <phrearch> so far its still compiling here. havent tested that user package before. ill check out that p2p setting if its done
  910. # [13:19] <phrearch> probably be the same though
  911. # [13:22] <vier> maybe, but its a whole version number - from 11 to 12! there *must* be something (which im stuggling to find in changelogs - im getting odd numbering)
  912. # [13:22] <vier> im reading here: http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel/release-notes
  913. # [13:23] <vier> $16,500 for people's patches :o http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/
  914. # [13:25] <phrearch> hm not bad
  915. # [13:25] <phrearch> do they have a bounty system?
  916. # [13:25] <vier> i think so, cant remember
  917. # [13:26] <vier> i believe the max amount you can earn is $1,337 haha
  918. # [13:27] <phrearch> woohoo! :)
  919. # [13:27] <vier> finished compiling?
  920. # [13:28] <phrearch> no, its still busy
  921. # [13:28] <phrearch> i3 is not very fast
  922. # [13:28] <vier> what was the woohoo for? $1337?
  923. # [13:29] <phrearch> yea, wont get rich from that :)
  924. # [13:29] <vier> yeh i know, its how i found out - people critisizing it, although i dont know of the max amounts for other browsers (if any)
  925. # [13:30] <phrearch> guess they have a core of paid developers anyway
  926. # [13:31] <vier> mm
  927. # [13:31] <vier> btw, how does mozilla make their money?
  928. # [13:32] <phrearch> ah, its a non-profit organisation
  929. # [13:32] <phrearch> i guess they get sponsoring?
  930. # [13:33] <vier> mmm
  931. # [13:33] <phrearch> http://www.mozilla.org/about/organizations.html
  932. # [13:34] <phrearch> seems like they split themselves in a company and a foundation
  933. # [13:35] <phrearch> http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/20/mozilla-money-start-exploring-options/
  934. # [13:36] <phrearch> seems like they get paid for stuff like setting the default search engine to google
  935. # [13:38] <vier> ah
  936. # [13:39] <phrearch> geez, still building :S
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  938. # [13:41] <vier> brb - i failed to change a lightbulb... -.-
  939. # [13:46] <vier> back - "how many people (including Vier) does it take to change a lightbulb? 2 - Vier screws it up, and the other fixes it"
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  945. # [13:52] <vier> im quite liking IRC now that im just sticking in 1 channel and beginning to know people :)
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  947. # [14:01] <phrearch> yea irc rules :-)
  948. # [14:01] <phrearch> seems like chromium build is almost done
  949. # [14:01] <vier> awesome :)
  950. # [14:02] <phrearch> *fingers crossed*
  951. # [14:02] <vier> just read on the packet that i was supposed to rinse my hair after dying it.. that was 7 hours ago :)
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  953. # [14:02] <phrearch> i always hate it when it crashes after an hour or so, spitting out some weird error message, that i dont know how to solve
  954. # [14:03] <vier> ...did that just happen?
  955. # [14:03] <phrearch> no, not yet
  956. # [14:03] <vier> phew... dont scare me
  957. # [14:03] <phrearch> its building the wtf directory now
  958. # [14:03] <vier> the 'wtf' directory :P
  959. # [14:03] <phrearch> yea seriously
  960. # [14:04] <phrearch> haha
  961. # [14:04] <vier> lol
  962. # [14:04] <phrearch> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/379597/
  963. # [14:05] <vier> haha
  964. # [14:05] <vier> i wonder what it *actually* stands for
  965. # [14:06] <danbeam> WTF That File?!
  966. # [14:06] <vier> hehe
  967. # [14:06] <danbeam> (it's recursive)
  968. # [14:06] <danbeam> just like Bing
  969. # [14:06] <phrearch> aha nice :)
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  971. # [14:06] <danbeam> Bing Is Now Google
  972. # [14:06] <danbeam> :P
  973. # [14:07] <vier> Bing = Bing Is Not Good?
  974. # [14:07] <phrearch> haha yea
  975. # [14:07] <danbeam> that too
  976. # [14:07] <kadiks> and google ?
  977. # [14:07] <vier> Bing = Bing Is Terrible? ...oh wait that doesnt work
  978. # [14:08] <vier> google is a similar sounding for the word of 10^100
  979. # [14:08] <vier> i think its a googel/googal maybe
  980. # [14:09] <phrearch> hm, Ballmer In Nasty Goo?
  981. # [14:09] <vier> a googol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googol
  982. # [14:09] <danbeam> hahahahah
  983. # [14:09] <phrearch> nah
  984. # [14:10] <danbeam> Googlers Ought nOt Go to LinkedIn or facEbook?
  985. # [14:10] <vier> which is where Google got its name
  986. # [14:10] <danbeam> (tired, can't think of anything better)
  987. # [14:10] <danbeam> stupid JSConf preso
  988. # [14:10] <phrearch> :-)
  989. # [14:10] <vier> that was terrible effort danbeam
  990. # [14:10] <vier> ^ terrible english
  991. # [14:11] <danbeam> vier: I know
  992. # [14:11] <danbeam> it's 5am here
  993. # [14:11] <danbeam> haven't been to sleep
  994. # [14:11] <danbeam> might not
  995. # [14:12] <danbeam> have a meeting at 10am in 5 hours
  996. # [14:12] <danbeam> a practice preso at 12pm
  997. # [14:12] <danbeam> fuuuuuu-
  998. # [14:12] <vier> hehe
  999. # [14:12] <vier> cccckkkkeeedddd
  1000. # [14:12] <niftylettuce> can anyone help.. how do I properly select the html of this selector without including the <span> tag and html inside? http://pastie.org/private/kuzcminuru0a2pf59ellpa
  1001. # [14:13] <vier> i think html5 allows .outerHTML?
  1002. # [14:13] <vier> otherwise, copy the span DOM out, replace, and add back in?
  1003. # [14:14] <vier> also, nobody can see the html your using/wanting to select
  1004. # [14:15] <niftylettuce> oh yea
  1005. # [14:15] <niftylettuce> vier: i think ur idea will work
  1006. # [14:15] <niftylettuce> vier: let me try
  1007. # [14:15] <niftylettuce> dont know why i thought
  1008. # [14:15] <niftylettuce> probably because its 8:11 AM and I've been up the whole night... EST, baby
  1009. # [14:15] <phrearch> hm, this data-foobar property comes in handy at some times
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  1012. # [14:19] <vier> it looked kinda interesting
  1013. # [14:22] <vier> phrearch: finished building?
  1014. # [14:22] <phrearch> nope, still building
  1015. # [14:22] <phrearch> even boost was faster to build
  1016. # [14:23] <vier> wow.. nightly builds actually mean it - a night-long build
  1017. # [14:23] <phrearch> i guess it takes so long, because it builds all kinds of third party packages it depend on
  1018. # [14:24] <vier> ah, Ubuntu 11.04 ships with LibreOffice now
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  1021. # [14:31] <phrearch> isnt it the same as openoffice?
  1022. # [14:32] <vier> its a spin office, i believe oracle have given up on open office as the entire community stops supporting and using it
  1023. # [14:32] <vier> spin off*
  1024. # [14:32] <phrearch> yea, open office is a monster
  1025. # [14:33] <phrearch> i tried to convert documents once from it, using some python library that works with a headless open office
  1026. # [14:33] <phrearch> what a headache
  1027. # [14:33] <phrearch> i ended up with apache poi
  1028. # [14:36] <phrearch> hm, how do you get to the navigation history's array?
  1029. # [14:37] <vier> theres an api for that..
  1030. # [14:37] <vier> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html
  1031. # [14:38] <phrearch> a, .go
  1032. # [14:38] <vier> ehh??
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  1034. # [14:38] <phrearch> ehm history.go
  1035. # [14:38] <phrearch> but that changes the state
  1036. # [14:39] <phrearch> i only need to read the state
  1037. # [14:39] <phrearch> aha
  1038. # [14:39] <phrearch> "The actual entries are not accessible from script."
  1039. # [14:40] <phrearch> i want to check whether the previous url is the same as the current url
  1040. # [14:40] <phrearch> lol, can be done otherwise as well
  1041. # [14:40] <vier> localStorage then?
  1042. # [14:40] <phrearch> before pushing the state
  1043. # [14:41] <phrearch> ill just check the proposed url, whether it matches the current url. if they are the same, dont push the state
  1044. # [14:43] <phrearch> otherwise the navigation stack gets polluted
  1045. # [14:43] <phrearch> hm still building
  1046. # [14:43] <phrearch> brb. food
  1047. # [14:43] <vier> wow that build takes ages
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  1074. # [15:03] <phrearch> hm saw some remote desktop specific stuff
  1075. # [15:03] <phrearch> http://blog.kowalczyk.info/article/How-does-chromoting-works.html
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  1077. # [15:04] <vier> ahuh
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  1080. # [15:04] <vier> interesting
  1081. # [15:05] <vier> i dont use remote desktops though
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  1085. # [15:06] <phrearch> nah me neither. i would rather use a vnc client over canvas, which is already been done
  1086. # [15:06] <phrearch> and that chromoting is windows only it seems
  1087. # [15:07] <Peter`> It has been developed quite a lot
  1088. # [15:07] <Peter`> but you need to be on a whitelist in order to use it
  1089. # [15:08] <vier> ah i see
  1090. # [15:09] <phrearch> aha, well maybe interesting for later, but it sounds like a very specific thing
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  1092. # [15:09] <phrearch> not like part of a standard
  1093. # [15:10] <phrearch> woohoo, chromium build finished
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  1096. # [15:12] <vier> nice, now, does it open? :P
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  1099. # [15:13] <phrearch> yep
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  1104. # [15:14] <vier> and the features....? dont leave me in suspense :P
  1105. # [15:14] <phrearch> cant find any p2p features :(
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  1107. # [15:15] <phrearch> hm
  1108. # [15:15] <phrearch> http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/03/p2p-api-discovered-in-latest-b.php
  1109. # [15:16] <phrearch> there is something about native client in there
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  1112. # [15:16] <phrearch> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2010/05/google-native-client.php
  1113. # [15:18] <phrearch> native-client is not something part of html5 i guess
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  1116. # [15:23] <phrearch> funky, dirty, native html5!
  1117. # [15:23] <vier> haha
  1118. # [15:23] <vier> brought to you by IE 100
  1119. # [15:25] <phrearch> hm p2p doesnt make much sense when based on some flash-like technology like nacl
  1120. # [15:25] <phrearch> at least, if its not standardized, its not useful for webdevelopment i guess
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  1140. # [15:51] <vier> so phrearch - no p2p? anything extra from v11?
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  1143. # [15:52] <phrearch> vier: not at first sight
  1144. # [15:52] <phrearch> and no p2p
  1145. # [15:52] <vier> awww
  1146. # [15:52] <vier> have you gone to about:tags?
  1147. # [15:52] <phrearch> at least, nothing in about:flags
  1148. # [15:53] <phrearch> you mean flags?
  1149. # [15:53] <vier> thats the one
  1150. # [15:54] <vier> does it say p2p is still under development?
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  1152. # [15:55] <phrearch> no, its not even there
  1153. # [15:55] <vier> hrrmm
  1154. # [15:55] <vier> one sec...
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  1157. # [15:56] <phrearch> ow wait
  1158. # [15:56] <phrearch> it is actually
  1159. # [15:56] <vier> and?
  1160. # [15:56] <phrearch> p2p api is there, but it notes that its not functional yet
  1161. # [15:56] <vier> sigh.
  1162. # [15:57] <phrearch> and since its build on native-client, it wont be any html5 thing i think
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  1164. # [15:57] <vier> i dont know why you say that...
  1165. # [15:57] <vier> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#peer-to-peer
  1166. # [15:58] <vier> ah crap thats 2008, the current spec doesnt mention it...
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  1168. # [15:58] <phrearch> well, it seems to me that their implementation is based on native-client. as long it will stick to the whatwg specs, i guess thats ok
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  1176. # [16:01] <vier> help me find P2P in http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/spec.html please :/
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  1186. # [16:05] <vier> hey phrearch - what is the result of javascript:alert(ConnectionPeer); ?
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  1189. # [16:07] <phrearch> ReferenceError: ConnectionPeer is not defined
  1190. # [16:07] <vier> i see, thanks
  1191. # [16:07] <vier> apparently that is the API that will be developed
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  1193. # [16:08] <phrearch> hm web audio api is supposed to work on linux as well, but chromium-dev --enable-webaudio
  1194. # [16:09] <phrearch> doesnt do much on the demos
  1195. # [16:09] <phrearch> yea, good to see it more officially in the flag page
  1196. # [16:09] <phrearch> i guess i forgot some exotic build option :S
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  1198. # [16:11] <bLUEEE> is there tweening on canvas html5 ?
  1199. # [16:12] <nimbupani> there is a way to tween in CSS not on canvas.
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  1201. # [16:12] <bLUEEE> i need to "tween" an object from point1 to point2 over a given period of time
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  1204. # [16:13] <bLUEEE> if there isnt, i'd have to calculate the positions position myself
  1205. # [16:13] <phrearch> blUEEE: there are no objects in canvas. you may want to check out libs like fabric.js or ocanvas
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  1207. # [16:14] <vier> phrearch - you use arch right? did you remember seeing the cheese grater quote? i laughed so hard at that (irl)
  1208. # [16:14] <vier> your reference to 'exotice build option' reminded me
  1209. # [16:14] <phrearch> heh, no, whats that about?
  1210. # [16:16] <vier> ill get the exact text...
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  1212. # [16:18] <vier> "If you are looking to install Arch on something more exotic, such as your kerosene-powered cheese grater, please consult http://wiki.archlinux.org."
  1213. # [16:19] <vier> reading that the first time i installed was quite good
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  1216. # [16:20] <vier> anyways, goodnight guys
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  1228. # [16:29] <bLUEEE> there is this kind of tween: http://processingjs.org/
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  1231. # [16:30] <jayflux> anyone here good with media queries?
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  1233. # [16:30] <bLUEEE> but its not in-line
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  1235. # [16:32] <phrearch> sorry was afk
  1236. # [16:32] <phrearch> heh, yea that one is good
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  1239. # [16:33] <phrearch> vier: later
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  1435. # [19:48] <grantg> paulrouget: What specifically do you want me to include in the blog post?
  1436. # [19:48] <grantg> how it was done and what APIs were used in it?
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  1454. # [19:59] <grantg> meh
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  1471. # [20:10] <phrearch> heh, using urls with history api can get some suprising results
  1472. # [20:10] <Fyrd> Alright, finally got Android 3.0 squeezed into caniuse.com
  1473. # [20:11] <Fyrd> Hope you're happy, paul_irish.
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  1479. # [20:13] <Fyrd> Oh crap, the comparison's screwed up now. Dammit.
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  1498. # [20:36] <Fyrd> Yay fixed.
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  1501. # [20:40] <paul_irish> hapy
  1502. # [20:40] <Misiur> Hi guys. If I set elements bg to svg, then in IE<9 it'll be ignored, right?
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  1505. # [20:42] <antonkovalyov> .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨.̸̸̨̨
  1506. # [20:42] <paul_irish> omgwtf
  1507. # [20:42] <paul_irish> .
  1508. # [20:42] <paul_irish> drippy
  1509. # [20:43] <Misiur> c̛͙̥̏ͬ̊ṣ̪̏ͭͭ͞sͫ̐ͦ̏͌̓͌̂̚͏̘̤̠̫3͈̗̮͇̹̓͂ͪ͑̽͑̏ͮ̀͞ ̳̣̖̉ͩ̈ͤ͢ͅi̸̡̟̰̹̝͊̑̉ͯ̃̑͜s͙̫̝̞̞ͮ̓ͥ́͗̾̉͟͝ͅ ̤̳̗̭͚͐̓ͦ̎̏͝c̺̘̹̈́ͮ͒̑͂͜͞o̵͇̐ͥ͋m̥͖͕͕̻̖͕̆̀͑ͩ̓ͦ̕i͕̘͇̘̳͋̾͘n̖̮̰̰͕̤̣̲͎̔ḡ̡̖̣͙ͮ
  1510. # [20:44] <Misiur> Is it possible that svgweb is colliding with css3pie?
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  1514. # [20:48] <paul_irish> ?hapyzalgo
  1515. # [20:48] <bot-t> ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡
  1516. # [20:48] <paul_irish> Misiur: i wouldnt be surprised if that was the case.
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  1527. # [20:54] <Misiur> paul_irish: looks like not. http://stretchbox.org/testing/QFoch/img/gradient.svg - maybe I fail at creating svg's?
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  1619. # [22:32] <W0rmDr1nk> Hi
  1620. # [22:33] <W0rmDr1nk> so is youtube moving to html 5 ?
  1621. # [22:33] <digitalfiz> probably
  1622. # [22:33] <W0rmDr1nk> fucking flash
  1623. # [22:33] <W0rmDr1nk> should have died years ago
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  1625. # [22:33] <digitalfiz> ill be happy when all the videos are availible in html5 <video>
  1626. # [22:34] <digitalfiz> flash videos are crappy on my osx
  1627. # [22:34] <tomh> can't you enable it?
  1628. # [22:34] <tomh> if you go to youtube.com/html5 ?
  1629. # [22:34] <W0rmDr1nk> yeah - I saw that
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  1631. # [22:34] <W0rmDr1nk> was just wondering - cos I heard some bitching and moaning from them a while ago about html5 not being good enough for what they need
  1632. # [22:35] <tomh> well obviously they cannot just drop the flash player
  1633. # [22:36] <W0rmDr1nk> :(
  1634. # [22:36] <tomh> but the good news is that you dont have to use the flash player :)
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  1637. # [22:36] <W0rmDr1nk> its the worst scandal though - that something proprietary rules the internet for so long
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  1640. # [22:37] <Jon47> its end is nigh
  1641. # [22:37] <Jon47> allow flash its death rattle
  1642. # [22:38] <Jon47> it gave us a lot, we should honor it.
  1643. # [22:38] <digitalfiz> flash had its uses
  1644. # [22:38] <digitalfiz> and it was the best solution availible for a long time
  1645. # [22:38] <digitalfiz> better then java
  1646. # [22:39] <W0rmDr1nk> well thats kinda why its so sad
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  1650. # [22:40] <W0rmDr1nk> lol
  1651. # [22:40] <W0rmDr1nk> youtube rickrolls you if you right click on a html5 video and say save video as
  1652. # [22:40] <W0rmDr1nk> :(
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  1655. # [22:41] <digitalfiz> yeah i thought that was funny
  1656. # [22:41] <W0rmDr1nk> naziz
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  1731. # [23:53] <vier> good morning IRC
  1732. # [23:53] <phrearch> hey vier
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  1734. # [23:54] <phrearch> just checked my websocket cms in safari. doesnt seem to get loaded in safari at all :(
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  1737. # [23:56] <vier> :D
  1738. # [23:56] <vier> i mean :( hehe
  1739. # [23:56] <vier> type :P is it live?
  1740. # [23:57] <phrearch> installing it now on a vps
  1741. # [23:57] <phrearch> can take a while. needs mono stuff as well for opensim
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  1744. # [23:57] <phrearch> long day... ^_^
  1745. # [23:58] <phrearch> the url stuff kinda works though
  1746. # [23:58] <phrearch> its a bit crazy. instead of pointing to a server resource, the url is actually used to point to a client resource
  1747. # [23:58] <phrearch> works ok so far though
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  1749. # [23:59] <phrearch> any luck with the webkit blobbuilder?
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