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# [00:13] <phrearch> k, part one done :p
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# [00:43] <Zeddy> 12 hours of nonstop coding -_-
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# [00:53] <phrearch> vier: you there still?
# [00:53] <phrearch> http://hwios.org/
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# [01:05] <phrearch> anyone mind testing this demo site? http://hwios.org/pad/development/
# [01:06] <phrearch> chrome/chromium only atm
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# [01:06] <snover> IT DOESN’T WORK IN MY FIREFOX
# [01:06] <phrearch> havent had time to fix it in ff yet
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# [01:11] <phrearch> hm not entirely stable yet
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# [01:14] <moshee> server refused connection :(
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# [01:16] <phrearch> i had to take some services down. crappy vps
# [01:16] <phrearch> try again?
# [01:16] <moshee> ok connects now
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# [01:18] <phrearch> heh, someone found out about the messenger's lack of http filtering
# [01:19] <phrearch> i should probably fix that asap
# [01:19] <phrearch> oops
# [01:19] <moshee> I'm getting an alert that says 1
# [01:19] <phrearch> yea me too
# [01:19] <moshee> and it won't go away lol
# [01:19] <phrearch> someone is probably injecting some code
# [01:19] <phrearch> i bet the messenger is to blame
# [01:19] <phrearch> im shutting it down now
# [01:20] <phrearch> seems like someone found the first security exploit already lol
# [01:20] <moshee> better now than much later
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# [01:28] <phrearch> yea true
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# [01:37] <danbeam> anybody know if there's a conditional subquery selector in CSS3 (used to be something like :contains(), but that's been dropped)?
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# [01:39] <danbeam> (also not sure what you'd call it - just guessing with that silly "conditional subquery selector", heh)
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# [01:42] <jeffszusz> I don't recall. What are you trying to select?
# [01:43] <jeffszusz> contains() as in searching through the element's content? or for partial matches in attributes or classes/ids?
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# [01:48] <danbeam> jeffszusz: yeah, :contains() is content, I wanted something different, actually
# [01:49] <danbeam> jeffszusz: you're totally right, though, not the same
# [01:49] <danbeam> jeffszusz: I actually need a way to find an ancestor based on an a selector
# [01:49] <danbeam> jeffszusz: for instance
# [01:49] <danbeam> jeffszusz: something has a class of c1 and I want to find all the parents of .c1
# [01:49] <gavacho> one way only :(
# [01:50] <jeffszusz> you could do it with JS
# [01:50] <danbeam> jeffszusz: (and + doesn't work, AFAIK, as I want the parent not the child)
# [01:50] <jeffszusz> but not with css
# [01:50] <danbeam> jeffszusz: lameskis
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# [01:51] <jeffszusz> what do you mean by "all the parents" ?
# [01:51] <jeffszusz> you mean every ancestor all the way to root?
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# [01:53] <tw2113> mikesusz it's not even the php half that is really getting me, it's the div soup that i'm having to swim through
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# [02:00] <danbeam> jeffszusz: sorry, meant be able to find any ancestor
# [02:01] <danbeam> jeffszusz: only JS will likely work for anything like this though, :(
# [02:01] <danbeam> jeffszusz: besides, I found a work around
# [02:01] <danbeam> jeffszusz: :D
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# [02:03] <danbeam> lol
# [02:03] <tw2113> hey, i look better
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# [02:29] <grantg> paul_irish: The patents on MP3 may expire by 2012. :)
# [02:29] <grantg> Unless there are submarine patents.
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# [02:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: do you know a way to play an .mp3 in all browsers without flash?
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# [03:05] <grantg> danbeam: convert the .mp3 into a .wav data URI in JS
# [03:05] <grantg> :)
# [03:05] <grantg> problem?
# [03:06] <grantg> and then play the .wav when the .mp3 is not supported
# [03:07] <grantg> It's nice that I already wrote a WAV PCM data URI generator that lets you build any WAV PCM data uri
# [03:07] <grantg> I'm finishing up the MP3 decoder. :)
# [03:08] <grantg> WAV PCM builder: https://github.com/grantgalitz/XAudioJS/blob/master/waveAudio.js
# [03:08] <grantg> :P
# [03:09] <moshee> lol
# [03:10] <grantg> I'm trying to split up the MP3 frame decoding process from the MP3 data decoder itself.
# [03:10] <grantg> lots of "meh"
# [03:11] <grantg> Ignoring ID3 tags and doing a dirty search for either 0xFFFFF or 0xFFFFFE
# [03:11] <grantg> since some versions of MP3 do the 11 bit sync intead of 12
# [03:12] <grantg> I meant 0xFFE or 0xFFF
# [03:12] <grantg> :P
# [03:13] * grantg better not be confusing nibbles and bytes now
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# [03:13] <grantg> oh wait
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# [03:41] <monteslu> IO and bootcamp schedules out. paul_irish's free cake and a Go intro are in different timeslots. Much, much awesomness next month
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# [03:49] <grantg> I herd u liek ternaders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohIVzIZLuQ
# [03:49] <moshee> ;_;
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# [03:51] <grantg> power of the complex the guy's in shuts off at 3:40
# [03:51] <grantg> "oh shit, there's a tornado nearby and the electricity just shut off"...
# [03:52] <grantg> that's when you know you need to gtfo
# [03:53] <grantg> 4:30 is epic
# [03:54] <moshee> so much tornadoes
# [03:54] <moshee> so scary
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# [03:54] <grantg> 5:10 - the guy gets of the vehicle
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# [03:55] <grantg> *gets out of
# [03:56] <grantg> do not ever do that. <-
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# [03:57] <pa7> sick
# [03:57] <grantg> moshee: It's like the moview twister, but IRL
# [03:57] <grantg> *movie
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# [03:58] <moshee> well all I can say is good thing I don't live there
# [03:58] <grantg> the guy starts running stop signs
# [03:58] <grantg> but who gives a fuck when there's a tornado
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# [04:02] <grantg> I just put a classy comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/gz8rx/insane_footage_of_12_mile_tornado_that_ripped/c1ri6q8
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# [04:06] <grantg> at 7:14 it looks like the guy is waiting for traffic to pass before turning. -_-
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# [05:42] <grantg> humph: Should I do the CRC checks in MP3 decoding?
# [05:42] <grantg> The downside is it might add to the decoding time.
# [05:43] <paul_irish> nahhhh
# [05:43] <paul_irish> assume its perfect
# [05:43] <grantg> The goodside is that this can block corrupt MP3s from playing
# [05:43] <grantg> paul_irish: You think so?
# [05:43] <grantg> I'll compromise. :)
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# [05:43] <bpadalino> does the crc cover the whole mp3, or just each frame ?
# [05:43] <grantg> I'll add a setting so the js dev can turn off the CRC
# [05:43] <grantg> bpadalino: Each frame
# [05:44] <bpadalino> so what would you do if the frame failed crc other than just note it ?
# [05:44] <grantg> and let the JS dev's code catch it
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# [05:45] <bpadalino> but what would they do? i guess it's the same as a bad frame in video - eh .. there's a new one coming up real soon .. who cares
# [05:45] <bpadalino> note it and be fine
# [05:45] <grantg> It's an optional setting in the physical frame header
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# [05:45] <grantg> bpadalino: Throw a JS error
# [05:45] <grantg> If I run the CRC check and it fails, I mark the whole file as bad
# [05:45] <grantg> and throw an error
# [05:45] <bpadalino> but that seems silly
# [05:45] <bpadalino> how long in time is a frame ?
# [05:45] <grantg> a setting would allow me to suppress the CRC check
# [05:46] <grantg> so I don't check for errors
# [05:46] <bpadalino> i think the crc check should still happen .. but you shouldn't stop-on-crc-failure
# [05:46] <bpadalino> my ears can handle a slight blip for 100ms
# [05:46] <grantg> bpadalino: Layer III might mess up big time on CRC failure being ignored
# [05:47] <grantg> like it might go full-retard and do crazy shit
# [05:47] <bpadalino> are you speculating or do you know for a fact ?
# [05:47] <grantg> Layer I-II won't be affected nearly as much on this kind of error
# [05:48] <grantg> bpadalino: Layer III does frames in a special way
# [05:48] <bpadalino> i'm calling shenanigans
# [05:48] <grantg> bpadalino: Sure you'll get a "blip"
# [05:49] <grantg> But I might not be able to handle that blip
# [05:49] <grantg> My code might go full retard I'm afraid
# [05:49] <bpadalino> make your code more robust?
# [05:49] <grantg> ::okayface::
# [05:49] <grantg> data from one frame prior can be used in the next one
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# [05:50] <bpadalino> sure, or delay by a few frames and average them together if you get an error in the middle ..
# [05:50] <bpadalino> "buffering ..."
# [05:50] <bpadalino> :)
# [05:51] <grantg> bpadalino: With MP3 these frames are not necessarily "logical" frames, which is why I'm afraid of my code going full-retard.
# [05:51] <bpadalino> they're illogical frames?
# [05:51] <grantg> physical
# [05:51] <bpadalino> they're physical frames?
# [05:51] <grantg> it's container-like
# [05:52] <bpadalino> it's amusing to me that your simple question of what you should do with a crc turned into this crazy conversation
# [05:52] <grantg> layer-1 is not bad
# [05:52] <grantg> It's layer III that's gonna be ugly
# [05:53] <bpadalino> mpeg-2 audio layer 3 ?
# [05:53] <grantg> yeah
# [05:54] <bpadalino> i think you're over thinking ti
# [05:54] <bpadalino> it
# [05:54] <grantg> Though, has anyone else done something similar in JS?
# [05:55] <bpadalino> mp3 decoding in js ?
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# [05:56] <grantg> I wonder if the moz guys are gonna make one for OGG
# [05:56] <grantg> yeah
# [05:56] <grantg> Any precident to look at? lol
# [05:56] <grantg> probably
# [05:56] <grantg> So other browsers can play nicely with OGG by having web pages use decoders written in JS for it
# [05:57] <bpadalino> is JS your hammer and everything looks like a nail? or is it just a fun-time thing?
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# [05:57] <grantg> paul_irish: Even speculating further... V8 decoder in JS?
# [05:57] <paul_irish> waaaaaaaat
# [05:57] <bpadalino> i'm all for people having fun with languages ..
# [05:57] <paul_irish> yo grantg
# [05:57] <paul_irish> lemme pull up this thing you'll LOVE
# [05:58] <grantg> bpadalino: fun with JS
# [05:58] <paul_irish> grantg: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/277423/how-can-i-see-the-machine-code-generated-by-v8
# [05:58] <grantg> paul_irish: I mean V8 video codec
# [05:58] <paul_irish> VP8
# [05:59] <grantg> ah
# [05:59] <grantg> I accidentally the acronym
# [05:59] <paul_irish> :)
# [05:59] <grantg> seems possible
# [05:59] <grantg> ajax the data
# [05:59] <grantg> see how much I can make your browser cry
# [05:59] <grantg> decode the data
# [05:59] <grantg> re-encode it as a format the browser does support
# [05:59] <grantg> and encode that as a data uri
# [06:00] <grantg> and src it in
# [06:00] <grantg> and enjoy
# [06:00] <grantg> ???
# [06:00] <grantg> profit!
# [06:00] <bpadalino> that's a lot of steps
# [06:00] <grantg> yes it is
# [06:00] <grantg> thankfully for libmp3coded I've got the WAV PCM data URI shit down
# [06:01] <grantg> *libmp3codec
# [06:01] <bpadalino> i think you should investigate using hardware accelerated CSS transformations to help you decode mp3's
# [06:01] <paul_irish> GENIUS
# [06:02] <grantg> how?
# [06:02] <grantg> wut
# [06:02] <bpadalino> model your FFT's as rotate3d/translate3d/scale3d
# [06:03] <grantg> so much win
# [06:03] <bpadalino> then you could just use mp3.css as a style
# [06:03] <bpadalino> and you're good to go
# [06:04] <grantg> though I still need my regular code
# [06:04] <bpadalino> lies
# [06:04] <grantg> lies?
# [06:04] <bpadalino> lies, damned lies and statistics
# [06:06] <grantg> paul_irish: And how would I retrieve the result?
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# [06:08] <bpadalino> so many questions!
# [06:08] <paul_irish> wat
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# [06:12] * grantg stick to JS for now
# [06:12] <grantg> anything involving hackery of the next degree must come much later
# [06:12] <grantg> *sticks
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# [06:17] <bpadalino> so do you work off 53 bits when doing bit manipulations on numbers? or 32?
# [06:18] <paul_irish> nightfury: http://paulirish.com/i/8ae1.png
# [06:18] <paul_irish> what
# [06:18] <paul_irish> nimbupani: ^
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# [06:20] <nimbupani> o?
# [06:20] <paul_irish> YEAH PWNED U
# [06:20] <paul_irish> http://dstaley.me/ is naice
# [06:21] <nimbupani> its cool
# [06:22] <paul_irish> also
# [06:22] <paul_irish> 667 FORKS
# [06:22] <paul_irish> omg
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# [06:22] <paul_irish> catching up to everyone
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# [06:22] <paul_irish> er
# [06:22] <paul_irish> top 10 most forked woo
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# [06:26] <bpadalino> congrats
# [06:27] <paul_irish> :)
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# [13:20] * Topic is 'Welcome, amigos :: Ask any question about html5 & Friends. || Author Spec: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ || Full spec: http://whatwg.org/html5 || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR http://html5homi.es'
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# [13:27] <raviepic3> people heard that html5 is good in caching, does it provide scope for offline sync in mobiles ?
# [13:28] <raviepic3> <= new to html5
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# [19:10] <paul_irish> moo-_-: you made this?
# [19:10] <tw2113> morning paul_irish
# [19:12] <paul_irish> SUP
# [19:15] <tw2113> i woke up to some nice emails from the people at Electric Pulp today about possible outsourced work
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# [19:17] <tw2113> nothing major, just html/css/jquery stuff, but i'll take it if we come to agreeable terms
# [19:17] <danbeam> paul_irish: can I use the way aurgasm.us does infinite scroll in my preso about Y! Media Player (it will be an example of using our API)?
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# [19:25] <paul_irish> danbeam: ofcourse
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# [19:26] <danbeam> paul_irish: ok, just checkin
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# [19:26] <danbeam> paul_irish: there's no license on your code in that file
# [19:26] <paul_irish> WTFPL
# [19:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: I was also gonna use your pic to explain the sexiness of our new UI, but you got superceded by this http://www.tracyjonesonline.com/hasselhoff3.jpg
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# [19:27] <paul_irish> OMG NSFW
# [19:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: lol
# [19:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: so is
# [19:27] <paul_irish> :)
# [19:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: cannot be unseen, though
# [19:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: that's for sure
# [19:28] <skylamer> hi paul_irish, greetings!
# [19:28] <paul_irish> hi hi
# [19:28] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: damn it, I found a case where I can't let JSLint have it's way...
# [19:28] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: (on default settings)
# [19:28] <tw2113> it's worse than NSFW, it's not safe for humans
# [19:28] <danbeam> tw2113: yeah, lol
# [19:29] <digitalfiz> why... do i... stil click irc links
# [19:29] <danbeam> digitalfiz: muhahaha
# [19:29] <paul_irish> skylamer: hows it goin??
# [19:29] <skylamer> :) everyin 's fine
# [19:29] <paul_irish> GOOOOD
# [19:30] <paul_irish> today is a day of little dances.
# [19:30] <skylamer> xaxaxa
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# [19:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: Y U NO HASOWNPROPERTY IN CHROME? window.hasOwnProperty('onhashchange')
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# [19:31] <paul_irish> Modernizr.hashchange
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# [19:31] <paul_irish> FTFY
# [19:32] <skylamer> portal 2 ?
# [19:32] <danbeam> wat
# [19:32] <danbeam> paul_irish: oh, I see
# [19:32] <digitalfiz> today is starting out to be an odd day
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# [19:32] <Neiluj> yo
# [19:32] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, :-)
# [19:33] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: actually, we'll see
# [19:33] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: not yet, but close to DGAFing
# [19:33] <antonkovalyov> it's friday everybody
# [19:33] <antonkovalyov> gotta get down on friday
# [19:33] <digitalfiz> FRIDAY FRIDAY
# [19:33] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, aren't you from yahoo? :)
# [19:33] * danbeam :|
# [19:33] * danbeam >:|
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# [19:33] <antonkovalyov> go find crock and ask him :)
# [19:33] <digitalfiz> gotta figure out which seat im going to take
# [19:33] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I could
# [19:33] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: but I'm lazy
# [19:33] <antonkovalyov> FUN FUN FUN FUN
# [19:34] <nimbupani> ?slap antonkovalyov
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# [19:34] <paul_irish> sounds good!
# [19:34] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, i heard he is not on the campus most of the time
# [19:34] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I don't work in SNV
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# [19:34] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I'm in Santa Monica, so I don't really know
# [19:34] <digitalfiz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
# [19:34] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, :-( kickin' in the back seat?
# [19:34] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: but I've met him -- he's a nice dude IRL
# [19:34] <nimbupani> :|
# [19:34] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, oh i see
# [19:34] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: maybe not as much so over the tubes
# [19:34] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, i met him as well :)
# [19:34] <nimbupani> i just saw friday reference antonkovalyov
# [19:35] <nimbupani> it triggers a reaction i am soz
# [19:35] <Neiluj> hey guys, do you know if webkit's "stylable" scrollbar support is detectable ?
# [19:35] <antonkovalyov> nimbupani, you mean, the best song ever made?
# [19:35] <tw2113> antonkovalyov quit holding nimbupani in the back seat
# [19:35] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, funny thing
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# [19:35] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we drive so much traffic
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# [19:35] <antonkovalyov> google analytics shut us down :)
# [19:35] <nimbupani> :|
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# [19:35] <antonkovalyov> i have to set a sample rate now to 80% haha
# [19:36] <tw2113> nimbupani i'll hold anton, you get some justin bieber albums we can force him to listen to over headphone
# [19:36] <nimbupani> i bet he would love it
# [19:36] <antonkovalyov> out of all google products, i'd expect GA to be able to keep up with traffic
# [19:36] <antonkovalyov> justin bieber! <3 <3 <3
# [19:37] <danbeam> paul_irish: var isSupported = (eventName in element); // then I was like :|
# [19:37] <antonkovalyov> who's that?
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# [19:37] <digitalfiz> dude that friday song has 123,646,948 views now
# [19:38] <antonkovalyov> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI <-- this is the best dub
# [19:38] <danbeam> paul_irish: because JSLint is bitching about my use of in, grr
# [19:38] <antonkovalyov> EVERYBODY'S RUSSIAN
# [19:38] <paul_irish> Neiluj: HMMMMM
# [19:38] <tw2113> a sad snapshot of society digitalfiz
# [19:38] <digitalfiz> i just cant beleive it
# [19:38] <digitalfiz> its william hung all over again
# [19:39] <tw2113> .g amazing horse
# [19:39] <tw2113> ?g amazing horse
# [19:39] <bot-t> tw2113, Amazing Horse - Weebl's Stuff - http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/
# [19:39] <tw2113> :D
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# [19:39] <skylamer> 㰡䑏䍔奐䔠桴浬㸍਼桴浬㸍ਠ‼桥慤㸍ਉ㱭整愠捨慲獥琽≕呆ⴱ㘢 㸍ਠ†‼浥瑡⁮慭攽≧敮敲慴潲∍ਠ†⁣潮瑥湴㴢獫祬慭敲∠⼾ഊ††㱴楴汥㸺⤼⽴楴汥㸍ਠ‼⽨敡搾ഊ†㱢潤社㰯扯摹㸍਼⽨瑭氾
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# [19:39] <danbeam> skylamer: lolwut
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# [19:40] <skylamer> U DONT UNDERSTAND me ?
# [19:40] <danbeam> skylamer: are you a girl?
# [19:40] <danbeam> skylamer: because if so, I'll never understand you, :P
# [19:40] <danbeam> skylamer: jk <3
# [19:40] <tw2113> clearly it says " antonkovalyov is a bieber/black fanboy"
# [19:40] <skylamer> "))
# [19:41] <tw2113> srsly guis....get multilingual
# [19:42] <danbeam> k
# [19:42] <Neiluj> paul_irish: so what do you think ? a new undetectable ?
# [19:42] <paul_irish> Neiluj: i bet it's detectable
# [19:42] <Neiluj> paul_irish: how could we test for pseudo-elements style ?
# [19:43] <paul_irish> ummmmmm
# [19:43] <tw2113> i think this is what happens when paul_irish walks into the room http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld15suGeY11qb63xno1_400.gif
# [19:43] <paul_irish> can you make it affect the geometry of the containing box?
# [19:43] <skylamer> xaxaxa
# [19:43] <Neiluj> ahah, I'll test right now
# [19:45] <Neiluj> it affects the children width !
# [19:45] <skylamer> show me what u're testing
# [19:45] <skylamer> xD
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# [19:45] <skylamer> can Help
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# [19:45] <Neiluj> skylamer: webkit stylable scrollbar support
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# [19:46] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: got around it, JSLint-y clean again, lol
# [19:46] <skylamer> mmmmm stylable scollbar
# [19:46] <skylamer> sounds utymmy
# [19:46] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, in free world you don't have to go around code checker :)
# [19:47] <Neiluj> yes ::-webkit-scrollbar
# [19:47] <skylamer> is -moz have this tigng ?
# [19:47] <Neiluj> I don't think so
# [19:47] <skylamer> l
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# [19:48] <Neiluj> what I want is just detect webkit's implementation because I need to change some margin if it's present
# [19:52] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: well, it's actually kinda Chrome's fault, IMO
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# [19:53] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: works correctly in FF4 and Opera11
# [19:53] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I was using 'onhashchange' in window, but Crock said "use hasOwnProperty", so I did but that works everywhere but Chrome
# [19:54] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: in theory there should be no difference when doing those to on non-enumerable object properties
# [19:54] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: but whatevs
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# [20:01] <tw2113> anyone ever run into weird issues with servers where copying over files directly worked fine, but trying to copy directories stalled and failed?
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# [20:03] <danbeam> anybody know the Content-Type I should be sending for .woff files (Font)?
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# [20:03] <danbeam> actually, nvm, will just look at Google Web Fonts API
# [20:04] <mahen23> guys, check this out: http://mobilemru.com/html5/mahen23/
# [20:06] <joshdavenport> i've found setting font mime types in htaccess still brings up "Resource interpreted" errors in chrome when using Google web fonts API
# [20:07] <paul_irish> danbeam: its beteen application/x-font-woff and application/font-woff
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# [20:07] <paul_irish> it's changed in teh past 6mo
# [20:07] <paul_irish> so the spec says font-woff
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# [20:07] <paul_irish> but chrome does the warning thing if its not x-font-woff
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# [20:33] <xonecas> o/
# [20:34] <pa7> hey
# [20:34] <xonecas> nimbupani, paul_irish -- node cms that uses h5bp as the base
# [20:34] <paul_irish> link?
# [20:35] <xonecas> https://github.com/xonecas/dustymarkdown
# [20:35] <xonecas> I just pushed
# [20:35] <xonecas> last night, it uses mustache templates to insert content and markdown for easy writting
# [20:36] <nimbupani> neet! i wonder if you need all the comments though unless you strip them out when compiling
# [20:36] <paul_irish> omg ender
# [20:36] <nimbupani> >_>
# [20:37] <xonecas> nimbupani: I'm adding uglify to compress
# [20:37] <xonecas> paul_irish: ender is cool, being able to choose what you need
# [20:37] <pa7> when I write a script which solves a single problem, e.g. creating and handling heatmaps with js on a webpage, can I classify it as a library? what defines a js library?
# [20:38] <xonecas> and it keeps the size down
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# [20:39] <gavacho> a library is just a collection of functions
# [20:40] <gavacho> call it a library, go ahead
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# [20:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: I ended up just using font/ttf
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# [20:45] <sedovsek> Hey! Sorry to jump in... but...
# [20:45] <pa7> gavacho: thx, just was wondering if js libraries have additional characteristics
# [20:45] <sedovsek> Which html(5) tags are appropriate when structuring data about business information.
# [20:45] <sedovsek> Such as company title, address, tax number, email, etc.
# [20:46] <sedovsek> I was thinking about <dl>, but... ?
# [20:47] <danbeam> paul_irish: because that's what web fonts does - curl -I http://themes.googleusercontent.com/font?kit=EcY9zoxaUNcYqXVG35_hCQ 2>/dev/null | grep ^Content-Type
# [20:49] <heidi_> hi all. is there a difference in using <button> vs <input type="button"> ... other than button being easier to style. wondering about browser support etc.
# [20:49] <danbeam> pa7: you might want to namespace your functions to only expose 1 global
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# [20:50] <danbeam> pa7: var pa7 = (function(){ /* hack hack hack */ return {/* my exposed funcs */};());
# [20:50] <danbeam> pa7: var pa7 = (function(){ /* hack hack hack */ return {/* my exposed funcs */};}()); // sorry, forgot }
# [20:50] * danbeam almost felt bad all day, *wheew*
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# [20:52] <xonecas> :q
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# [20:52] <heidi_> sedovsek i think a <dl> list for that would work well
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# [20:53] <pa7> danbeam: thanks, already had that, I know js. I just was a little unsure with the term library
# [20:53] <sedovsek> heidi_: I cant find anything else that would be more suitable. Thanks.
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# [20:55] <sedovsek> Btw, I've watched "HTML5, CSS3, and DOM Performance" by @paul_irish http://youtu.be/q_O9_C2ZjoA slides at: http://j.mp/fS48Nw #html5 - awesome!
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# [20:57] <danbeam> pa7: heh, we should start a fake "JavaScript Official Library Committe" (jolc, lol) site in which people vote if something should be considered a library or not (and put all the big libs' creators pics on it, lol)
# [20:58] <gavacho> hotornot
# [20:58] <danbeam> haha
# [20:58] <danbeam> jsmash.com
# [20:59] <danbeam> Which is cueter? Prototype or jQuery?
# [20:59] <danbeam> http://code.google.com/apis/libraries/devguide.html#Libraries <-- why isn't Modernizr in here yet? D:
# [21:01] <pa7> danmbeam: definitely! :D
# [21:01] <pa7> g2g
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# [21:02] <paul_irish> i havent gotten around to making my case for it yet
# [21:03] <ReyBango> paul_irish, did you chat w/ Damian?
# [21:05] <Neiluj> paul_irish: https://gist.github.com/948808 I didn't test yet on every browsers but it seems to be a good way to detect, could you see some possible improvements (especially the <style> injection :s ) ?
# [21:05] <paul_irish> ReyBango: notyet
# [21:05] <paul_irish> this week soooooooooooo busy :(
# [21:06] <ReyBango> paul_irish, ok. You know I will be that little person nipping at your ear until you do ;)
# [21:06] <paul_irish> and thank you for that :)
# [21:06] <ReyBango> Like an chihuahua that won't stop barking
# [21:06] <ReyBango> yip yip yip
# [21:06] <paul_irish> Neiluj: https://github.com/paulirish/matchMedia.js/blob/master/matchMedia.js
# [21:07] <paul_irish> look at the injection there. otherwise looks good except you should expand it for all vendors
# [21:07] <paul_irish> and when you're done link it up on the modernizr wiki
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# [21:08] <Neiluj> paul_irish: what do you mean by "expand it for all vendors" all that support css scrollbars ? like IE ?
# [21:09] <paul_irish> Neiluj: have you seen the recent modernizr stuff?
# [21:09] <paul_irish> there is now
# [21:09] <Neiluj> no I didn't ?
# [21:09] <Neiluj> what stuff ?
# [21:10] <paul_irish> oh i didnt expose those yet
# [21:10] <Neiluj> :) :) :) yum
# [21:10] <Neiluj> vendor prefixes ?
# [21:10] <paul_irish> ya
# [21:10] <paul_irish> one sec.
# [21:10] <Neiluj> yeah I heard about that
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# [21:19] <paul_irish> Neiluj: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/compare/cbed62c...ff9562a
# [21:20] <paul_irish> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/commit/ff9562a04 rather
# [21:21] <Neiluj> cool :)
# [21:21] <Neiluj> thx !
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# [21:29] <Neiluj> paul_irish: is it normal that the prefixes array contains an empty item at the start AND at the end ??
# [21:29] <grantg> danbeam: Don't copy that monkey island floppy! http://i.imgur.com/uDWKN.jpg
# [21:29] <paul_irish> Neiluj: it is!
# [21:29] <Neiluj> why two ?
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# [21:31] <grantg> paul_irish: Know of any fast anti-alias code for frequency-domain decoding?
# [21:31] <grantg> I'm bumping into lots of meh
# [21:32] <grantg> so much meh with mp3 decoding...
# [21:32] <paul_irish> nope i dont
# [21:32] <grantg> chrome takes like 30 seconds to decode
# [21:32] <grantg> :/
# [21:33] <Neiluj> ok I get it
# [21:33] <paul_irish> okay phew
# [21:33] <paul_irish> it makes sense when join() ing
# [21:35] <grantg> paul_irish: Firefox 4 takes less time
# [21:35] <grantg> probably because of TM
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# [21:36] <grantg> at least the huffman decoder itself is fast
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# [21:37] <grantg> variable bitrates throws a monkey wrench into JS JITS for some reason.
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# [21:38] <grantg> paul_irish: And frame decoding at least is completely split now
# [21:39] <grantg> MP3FrameDecoder.js now is its own file. :)
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# [21:41] <skylamer> all properties are lowerCase., expected: "_domprefixes" result: "_domPrefixes", diff: "_domprefixes" "_domPrefixes"
# [21:42] <Neiluj> paul_irish: sad I can't use the Customizr with this 1.8pre ;)
# [21:44] <paul_irish> yes
# [21:44] <paul_irish> well
# [21:44] <paul_irish> you can
# [21:44] <paul_irish> its in ryanseddon's fork somewhere
# [21:44] <paul_irish> skylamer: whats that
# [21:44] <paul_irish> oh my tests
# [21:44] <Neiluj> oh cool, I'll look at it monday
# [21:45] <paul_irish> yay test suite
# [21:45] <skylamer> i tyied the test suite
# [21:45] <skylamer> with diferent browser
# [21:45] <paul_irish> ya
# [21:45] <skylamer> s
# [21:45] <skylamer> and most 205/208
# [21:45] <skylamer> the three 'wrong' ones is this with letters and words : D)
# [21:45] <Neiluj> paul_irish: https://gist.github.com/948808 looks cool
# [21:47] <Neiluj> last step, Modernizr wiki and go home :)
# [21:47] <paul_irish> nice
# [21:48] <grantg> brb
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# [21:51] <Neiluj> ok, done. Have a nice WE everybody !
# [21:53] <paul_irish> byeee :D you too
# [21:54] <miketaylr> have a good WhatEver youself!
# [21:54] <miketaylr> s/youself/yourself/
# [21:55] <tw2113> i need to learn how to say no more or at least negotiate for hourly pay better
# [21:55] <paul_irish> do both.
# [21:58] <tw2113> probably should
# [21:59] <danbeam> tw2113: just be a bitch, or get a real job (and stop freelancing), :P
# [21:59] <danbeam> I hate freelancing, will never go back now
# [21:59] <danbeam> "No respect" - Rodney Dangerfield
# [21:59] <tw2113> i need to find someone who's hiring first
# [22:00] <danbeam> tw2113: if you're good, anybody's hiring, ;)
# [22:00] <Neiluj> paul_irish: what's the "shy" trick ? :)
# [22:00] <tw2113> i'm just elated that people at Electric Pulp contacted me about some work
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# [22:03] <tw2113> the cool thing is that they somehow heard i was available and initiated, i didn't contact them first
# [22:05] <danbeam> tw2113: sweet
# [22:05] <tw2113> it's just outsourced work though, not a full position
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# [22:07] <paul_irish> Neiluj: its linked in my matchMedia file i think. check out ryanseddon's most recent blog post
# [22:08] <Neiluj> paul_irish: yeah just saw it ;) thx again, I updated my gist and it works well !
# [22:08] <Neiluj> bye !
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# [22:11] <paul_irish> paulrouget: around?
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# [22:20] <danbeam> paul_irish: if you add a data URI feature test in Modernizr, more people would <3 u
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# [22:34] <paul_irish> danbeam: i already showed you it
# [22:34] <paul_irish> its not going into core
# [22:34] <paul_irish> its async
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# [23:15] <jetienne> [23:10] * function (val){ return this.username; } just left. <- i think i got a bug :)
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# [23:18] <croby> is there any way to find out what caused a firefox crash?
# [23:19] <croby> the crash reporter doesn't give me a detailed log
# [23:19] <croby> not that i'm convinced a crash report will be helpful, but its a place to start
# [23:20] <jetienne> croby: firefox got a irc network on their own. you may find more people there https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC
# [23:20] <croby> jetienne: truth, good call
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# [23:27] <danbeam> paul_irish: oh, ok
# [23:28] <danbeam> http://lgv.s3.amazonaws.com/AmazonFail_explainedByEmployee.jpg <-- also this
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# [23:57] <grantg> paul_irish: I just noticed a really bad bug in my binary string to integer array conversion code. :P
# [23:57] <grantg> I already fixed it
# [23:57] <grantg> I forgot toCharCode does unicode
# [23:57] <grantg> I did my code as if it was ASCII
# [23:57] <grantg> thinking the only possible values were <= 0xFF
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# [23:57] <paul_irish> lol asccii
# [23:58] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/commit/7cb8700a101cdfe5a2302243c481ad24207a7beb
# [23:58] <grantg> I made sure I did it right this time
# [23:58] <grantg> I read the mozdev wiki doc on it
# [23:58] <grantg> :P
# [23:59] <paul_irish> i'm hacking on the MDC right now
# [23:59] <paul_irish> we have a doc sprint going on actually
# [23:59] <grantg> I guess it can only go up to 0xFFFF, so I did it where if > 0xFF, then I save to ints from the one char, while <= 0xFF tells me to save only one int from one char
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