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  11. # [00:08] <tw2113> woohoo! going to visit the Electric Pulp offices tomorrow *pumps fist*
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  51. # [00:55] <jetienne> pacmaze news of the day... some screenshots of buddymaze dev version http://yfrog.com/h03fqnp http://yfrog.com/hsilwap
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  54. # [00:56] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: you can use my laptop if you want
  55. # [00:56] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I'm right in front of you with keynote '09, OS X, and flashdrive if you need to
  56. # [00:57] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: nvm
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  97. # [01:28] <sharustar> Hello
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  101. # [01:30] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, where are you
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  105. # [01:38] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: in front
  106. # [01:38] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: don't crucify me
  107. # [01:38] <antonkovalyov> i am somewhere in the middle now
  108. # [01:38] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: (seems like the common theme today, lolol)
  109. # [01:38] <antonkovalyov> say hi afterwards :-)
  110. # [01:39] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: ok
  111. # [01:39] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I was the blonde dude right in front of you during your talk
  112. # [01:39] <antonkovalyov> oh
  113. # [01:39] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I've been a little undercover
  114. # [01:39] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: since batman's been after me
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  116. # [01:45] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: what did you think about one of the earlier talks being about Bing unintentionally assuming there is block scope in a for loop and that causing issues (whereas we've talked before and you want to allow vars inside of for-loop decls. or for loops)?
  117. # [01:45] <danbeam> inb4 "because Bing doesn't understand JavaScript
  118. # [01:45] <danbeam> "
  119. # [01:45] <danbeam> haha
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  123. # [01:46] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, that's why it is an opt-in option
  124. # [01:46] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, you use it when you know what you are doing
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  127. # [01:47] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: JSHint would find that too, right?
  128. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, yep
  129. # [01:48] <danbeam> ok, cool
  130. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> jshint does not remove checks
  131. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> it adds options to surpess them if you want
  132. # [01:48] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: yeah, that's way cool
  133. # [01:48] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: tolerance is cool
  134. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> :)
  135. # [01:48] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: and that's what JSHint is about
  136. # [01:48] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: yeah?
  137. # [01:49] <antonkovalyov> yep
  138. # [01:49] <antonkovalyov> exactly
  139. # [01:49] <danbeam> word
  140. # [01:49] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I imagine the crock is the way he is from 30 years (or something) of having to look at bad code, haha
  141. # [01:49] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: not defending him, just sayin'
  142. # [01:50] <danbeam> I just hope I am as sharp when I'm real old
  143. # [01:50] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, maybe. on the other hand, i read his code
  144. # [01:50] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: haha, not good?
  145. # [01:50] <antonkovalyov> not exactly the collection of best practices there
  146. # [01:50] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: oh yeah
  147. # [01:50] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: all the one letter vars
  148. # [01:50] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: when I'm lazy I do that too, but that's really more for a minifier
  149. # [01:51] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: obviously I don't do that in Y! Media Player - it's WAY too much JS to do that
  150. # [01:51] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: 260K un-gzipped
  151. # [01:51] <antonkovalyov> danbeam, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/jcl08tjj-hyl.png
  152. # [01:51] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: no way I'd do all that with i, j, k, l
  153. # [01:51] <danbeam> lol
  154. # [01:52] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: I get everything but m
  155. # [01:52] <danbeam> antonkovalyov: oh, nvm
  156. # [01:52] <danbeam> yeah, very cryptic
  157. # [01:52] <antonkovalyov> message? :)
  158. # [01:52] <danbeam> yeah
  159. # [01:52] <danbeam> bad crock
  160. # [01:52] <danbeam> dunno why he'd do that either...
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  164. # [01:54] <grantg> msg nickserv identify tits_or_gtfo
  165. # [01:55] <moshee> lol
  166. # [01:55] <grantg> ;D
  167. # [01:56] <danbeam> lol
  168. # [01:56] <moshee> grantg your website doesn't work in chrome :(
  169. # [01:56] <grantg> moshee: lolwut?
  170. # [01:56] <grantg> which page?
  171. # [01:57] <moshee> http://imgur.com/fBKEc.png
  172. # [01:57] <moshee> the bg image begins to load then all the styles seem to disappear
  173. # [01:57] <moshee> the emulator's menu does that too
  174. # [01:57] <grantg> lolwut?
  175. # [01:57] <moshee> yeah idk lol
  176. # [01:57] <moshee> works in firefox
  177. # [01:57] <moshee> extensions don't seem to be the issue
  178. # [01:58] <grantg> somebody broke webkit. 8(
  179. # [01:58] <grantg> alert the sheriff
  180. # [01:58] <grantg> :P
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  182. # [01:59] <grantg> looks exactly like as if chrome didn't download the CSS file in that image
  183. # [01:59] <grantg> :/
  184. # [01:59] <moshee> oh apparently it was the clickable links extension
  185. # [01:59] <moshee> who woulda thunk
  186. # [01:59] <moshee> that's dumb
  187. # [01:59] <grantg> heh
  188. # [02:00] <moshee> didn't know that extension messed with the css
  189. # [02:00] <grantg> *this is why I don't use extensions*
  190. # [02:00] <grantg> they mess with the page itself
  191. # [02:00] <moshee> extensions on chrome use so much memory >:(
  192. # [02:00] <grantg> heh
  193. # [02:00] <grantg> I don't even have adblock
  194. # [02:00] <grantg> :/
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  196. # [02:01] <grantg> adblock slows me down a lot
  197. # [02:01] <moshee> to be honest that was the first thing I downloaded
  198. # [02:01] <moshee> :(
  199. # [02:01] <moshee> it is kinda slow but idk doesn't seem to be that big of an issue
  200. # [02:01] <grantg> anything that manipulates or traverses the DOM will mess up perf.
  201. # [02:02] <moshee> yeah
  202. # [02:02] <grantg> especially hacky plugins that do innerHTML and document.write
  203. # [02:02] <grantg> lolwtf
  204. # [02:02] <moshee> lol
  205. # [02:02] <grantg> DOM: Do you use it?
  206. # [02:02] <grantg> It's been supported since IE5
  207. # [02:03] <grantg> :X
  208. # [02:03] <moshee> no excuses!
  209. # [02:03] <grantg> Many sites are still done like it's 1998
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  211. # [02:04] <grantg> I need to update my sit
  212. # [02:04] <grantg> *site
  213. # [02:04] <grantg> same since 2009/2010
  214. # [02:04] <grantg> no content changes. :P
  215. # [02:04] <sharustar> whats your site?
  216. # [02:04] <grantg> grantgalitz.org
  217. # [02:04] <sharustar> k
  218. # [02:04] <grantg> I need to totally redesign it
  219. # [02:04] <grantg> and block IE 6/7
  220. # [02:04] <sharustar> html 5 huh :)
  221. # [02:04] <grantg> The site actually works in IE 5.5
  222. # [02:04] <sharustar> lol
  223. # [02:04] <moshee> lol
  224. # [02:04] <grantg> even IE 5.01!!
  225. # [02:05] <grantg> And no innerHTML or document.write!
  226. # [02:05] <sharustar> lol im on it :)
  227. # [02:05] <sharustar> pretty old school brosky :)
  228. # [02:05] <grantg> Ever tried debugging IE 5.01?
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  230. # [02:05] <grantg> wrong + wrong = right
  231. # [02:06] <sharustar> lol
  232. # [02:06] <sharustar> nope I sure havent :)
  233. # [02:06] <grantg> you can study the bugs to use them to your advantage
  234. # [02:06] <sharustar> I see
  235. # [02:06] <moshee> <!--[if lte ie 8]><style>* { display:none }</style><![endif]-->
  236. # [02:06] <moshee> do it
  237. # [02:06] <grantg> negative margins even in IE 6/7 are buggy as hell
  238. # [02:06] <pa7> haha moshee
  239. # [02:06] <grantg> sometimes it's doubled or halved or just +/- 5 px
  240. # [02:07] <grantg> moshee: I do user agent detection in PHP. U MAD BRAH?
  241. # [02:07] <grantg> My CSS file is a PHP file. :P
  242. # [02:07] <moshee> fine :(
  243. # [02:07] <moshee> wat
  244. # [02:07] <grantg> exactly
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  246. # [02:07] <moshee> oh you have funky website code
  247. # [02:07] <sharustar> moshee you have a website?
  248. # [02:08] <moshee> unfortunately not
  249. # [02:08] <moshee> I've been kinda working on one
  250. # [02:08] <moshee> will have more time this summer
  251. # [02:08] <sharustar> i see
  252. # [02:08] <sharustar> you must been working alot huh?
  253. # [02:08] <moshee> school heh
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  255. # [02:08] <sharustar> oh i see
  256. # [02:08] <sharustar> where you go to school?
  257. # [02:09] <moshee> local high school
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  259. # [02:09] <sharustar> ah still young?
  260. # [02:09] * grantg is writing that blog post paul_rouget has been waiting for
  261. # [02:09] <moshee> yeah lol
  262. # [02:09] <sharustar> lol
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  269. # [02:15] <grantg> So all of reddit apparently went to facebook today: http://www.facebook.com/pages/And-Thats-how-the-USA-outdoes-a-Royal-Wedding/183567638361529
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  276. # [02:19] <sharustar1> I hate getting dc'ed
  277. # [02:22] <moshee> freenode hates me
  278. # [02:22] <moshee> I ping out all the time
  279. # [02:22] <sharustar1> lol
  280. # [02:22] <moshee> only from freenode
  281. # [02:22] <danbeam> moshee: it didn't say you disco'ed
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  283. # [02:22] <moshee> I'm too young for the disco age
  284. # [02:22] <moshee> (lol)
  285. # [02:23] <sharustar1> moshee You live in US?
  286. # [02:23] <moshee> yes
  287. # [02:23] <sharustar1> you at the Conference too?
  288. # [02:23] * danbeam stays ALIVEEEEEEEEEHIVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEE
  289. # [02:23] <moshee> eh?
  290. # [02:23] * sharustar1 slaps danbeam with a large trout
  291. # [02:23] <sharustar1> jk :)
  292. # [02:23] <danbeam> moshee: think he means JSConf
  293. # [02:23] <danbeam> ?slap danbeam
  294. # [02:23] * bot-t slaps danbeam around a bit with a large trout
  295. # [02:23] <sharustar1> yeah in portlan
  296. # [02:24] * danbeam is a masochist
  297. # [02:24] <moshee> oh nope
  298. # [02:24] <moshee> I can't even drive yet
  299. # [02:24] <moshee> and well as much as I enjoy newt I'm not so good at stuff yet
  300. # [02:24] <moshee> gotta go now
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  303. # [02:25] <sharustar1> take care moshee
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  401. # [05:20] <xonecas> o/
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  596. # [12:06] <JacobSingh> I'm trying to use the number field so mobiles are happy. Is it possible to use "step" but to not enforce validation?
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  599. # [12:07] <JacobSingh> It would be a UX enhancement to have the "Savings" number increase by 1,000 at a time
  600. # [12:07] <JacobSingh> but the UX of someone entering in 24500 by hand and having it say "Invalid value" or whatever more than negates the benefit
  601. # [12:08] <vier> is the input field just text, which should be in the form of a number?
  602. # [12:09] <vier> try this JacobSingh: <input type="number" novalidate></input>
  603. # [12:09] <vier> just mess around with it - the 'novalidate' attribute prevents validation
  604. # [12:09] <JacobSingh> vier, well, I'm asking how much money someone has in their savings account
  605. # [12:09] <JacobSingh> Before I used a normal text field
  606. # [12:09] <JacobSingh> and the formatCurrency jquery plugin
  607. # [12:10] <JacobSingh> I'm trying to be HTML5-hipster like and use the new stuff though :D
  608. # [12:10] <vier> like i said... the input tag with 'novalidate' attribute..
  609. # [12:11] <vier> but then make sure that the input isnt formatted like "1,500", "$1,500" etc
  610. # [12:12] <JacobSingh> vier: funny, doesn't work with number
  611. # [12:12] <JacobSingh> Note: The novalidate attribute works with: <form> and the following <input> types: text, search, url, telephone, email, password, date pickers, range, and color.
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  613. # [12:13] <vier> is that from the spec - or just browsers havent implimented it yet?
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  627. # [12:39] <daleharvey> what do people think of css3pie, reliable fast etc?
  628. # [12:40] <vier> daleharvey: are there alternatives..
  629. # [12:41] <vier> if not, then go with it, or youll probably die without getting IE to support everything
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  632. # [12:45] <daleharvey> there are individual polyfills or plain old degradation, I was asking if anyone had used css3pie and what they felt about it
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  651. # [13:54] <stenno> good day, i can clear a canvas by doing canvas.width = canvas.width; correct?
  652. # [13:54] <stenno> or does it have to be context.width = context.width; ...?
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  655. # [13:58] <stenno> its canvas.width = canvas.width;
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  661. # [14:14] <stenno> that doesn't seem to work in mobileSafari
  662. # [14:14] <stenno> resetting the canvas by setting the width
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  778. # [16:59] <mari> Hi
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  788. # [17:10] <Marcelo23> Hi, i have a problem with ie8, and excanvas, the window browse is blank, until i press f5, but if i enter normal with the url it still blank
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  830. # [17:58] <JonathanNeal> Hallo.
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  879. # [18:50] <Michael> Are transitions not meant to work with background* properties?
  880. # [18:50] <Michael> or display properties?
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  884. # [18:50] <nimbupani> transitions would work but they dont yet.
  885. # [18:51] <Michael> not in any browsers huh
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  887. # [18:51] <tw2113> i had a tiny demo that was moving backgrounds
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  889. # [18:51] <Michael> cool
  890. # [18:51] <tw2113> but i am certain i changed it since then
  891. # [18:51] <Michael> This is for linear-gradients
  892. # [18:51] <Michael> and display none -> block
  893. # [18:51] <tw2113> i think it's resizing the overflow hidden div
  894. # [18:51] <tw2113> now
  895. # [18:51] <Michael> but I guess there is no real translation for that
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  897. # [18:52] <tw2113> are you using prefixes?
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  899. # [18:53] <nimbupani> sorry Michael I meant using them on gradients >_>
  900. # [18:53] <ericam> in my experience transitions work on background position and color, but not gradients (at this point)
  901. # [18:53] <nimbupani> these days anything with background = gradients for me :|
  902. # [18:53] <nimbupani> but yeah transitions work on bgs
  903. # [18:53] <Michael> nimbupani, The gradients work fine in background-image
  904. # [18:53] <nimbupani> Michael: you can transition gradient color stops
  905. # [18:53] <nimbupani> but no browser supports that yet
  906. # [18:53] <Michael> But using background-image as the transition yields nothing for me
  907. # [18:53] <Michael> ah ok
  908. # [18:54] <Michael> This is from one gradient to another
  909. # [18:54] <Michael> normal -> hover
  910. # [18:54] <ericam> you can move a gradient position
  911. # [18:54] <ericam> I've used that to hack the effect of moving color-stops
  912. # [18:54] <Michael> So far I can't seem to use background* or display
  913. # [18:54] <nimbupani> true that.
  914. # [18:54] <nimbupani> Michael: display does not interpolate
  915. # [18:54] <nimbupani> it is an on-off switch
  916. # [18:54] <Michael> yeah that makes sense
  917. # [18:55] <nimbupani> background pos does
  918. # [18:55] <nimbupani> anything with numbers can be interpolated usually
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  929. # [19:09] <Michael> I wish height: 0 would hide
  930. # [19:09] <Michael> Trying to make an accordian in css3
  931. # [19:10] * Michael resorts to the css ninja
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  933. # [19:11] <nimbupani> Michael: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/952/unplugged/demo/accordions.html
  934. # [19:11] <nimbupani> it is not accessible tho ^
  935. # [19:11] <Michael> This is with a UL
  936. # [19:12] <nimbupani> please use with caution.
  937. # [19:12] <Michael> just tricky but I'll get it
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  944. # [19:25] <xonecas> o/
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  949. # [19:30] <danbeam> \o
  950. # [19:31] <tw2113> \o/
  951. # [19:31] <danbeam> http://dadsaretheoriginalhipster.tumblr.com/
  952. # [19:31] <digitalfiz> nimbupani, it needs cursor: pointer; so you know they tabs are clickable :P
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  954. # [19:32] <nimbupani> digitalfiz: there is one mostly coz its a label
  955. # [19:32] <digitalfiz> i get no pointy finger over them in chrome :(
  956. # [19:32] <nimbupani> :/
  957. # [19:33] <digitalfiz> i think this nightly of chrome is a bit broke though
  958. # [19:33] <digitalfiz> when i go to a site with invalid ssl i get the red page
  959. # [19:33] <digitalfiz> but the continue or get me out of here buttons dont work
  960. # [19:33] <nimbupani> o hmm
  961. # [19:34] <Michael> I changed me mind. Accordians are overused
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  963. # [19:35] <tw2113> internet connection....Y U NO CONNECT GOOD
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  975. # [19:45] <xonecas> paul_irish: thank you again for Modernizr :-)
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  1021. # [20:30] <paul_irish> xonecas: ♡
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  1029. # [20:40] <danielfilho> paul_irish: you could do something useful to us and transcript the whole jsconf.
  1030. # [20:40] <danielfilho> :D
  1031. # [20:40] * ericduran|mtg is now known as ericduran
  1032. # [20:40] <paul_irish> umm
  1033. # [20:41] <paul_irish> if you can frame your application and allow for clickjacking
  1034. # [20:41] <paul_irish> unless you have frame breakup code
  1035. # [20:41] <danielfilho> ok, I forget the magic word: PLEASE? haha
  1036. # [20:41] <paul_irish> which is not perfect. researchers have shown it doesnt work
  1037. # [20:41] <paul_irish> if you dont want your shit framed.. set the header
  1038. # [20:41] <paul_irish> clickjacking will fail miserably
  1039. # [20:42] <paul_irish> okay im tuckered out
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  1078. # [21:22] <uf0_work> paul_irish: in h5bp
  1079. # [21:22] <paul_irish> ya
  1080. # [21:22] <uf0_work> got question for ya
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  1082. # [21:23] <uf0_work> <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <!--<![endif]-->
  1083. # [21:23] * KaOSoFt_ is now known as KaOSoFt
  1084. # [21:23] <uf0_work> in template you hvae
  1085. # [21:23] <uf0_work> why can't we just leave it
  1086. # [21:23] <uf0_work> <html class="no-js" lang="en">
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  1089. # [21:23] <uf0_work> without all that extra IE stuff
  1090. # [21:23] <uf0_work> and i'm not talking about the ones before
  1091. # [21:23] <uf0_work> <!--[if IE 8]> <html class="no-js ie8" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  1092. # [21:23] <uf0_work> i'm talking about that last one
  1093. # [21:23] <uf0_work> with gt ie 8
  1094. # [21:24] <uf0_work> not sure what the point is and if it hurts to just leave <html>
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  1096. # [21:24] <uf0_work> that's it.
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  1098. # [21:24] <gde33> use <!HTML>
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  1100. # [21:26] <gde33> <!doctype html>
  1101. # [21:26] <uf0_work> gde33: i'm not talking bout the doctype
  1102. # [21:26] <uf0_work> i'm talking about the html tag
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  1104. # [21:27] <gde33> I have no idea why people use <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <!--<![endif]-->
  1105. # [21:27] <gde33> it smells like a perfect cargo cult
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  1107. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> That doesn't make sense, does it?
  1108. # [21:28] <uf0_work> awaits the reasoning...
  1109. # [21:28] <gde33> you are expecting IE8 vistors?
  1110. # [21:29] <uf0_work> there's already a <!--[if IE 8]> <html class="no-js ie8" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  1111. # [21:29] <gde33> actually I don't even know what <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> means.
  1112. # [21:29] <uf0_work> i did some research basically I 'think' it means
  1113. # [21:29] <uf0_work> if greater than IE8
  1114. # [21:29] <uf0_work> spit out "foo"
  1115. # [21:29] <uf0_work> but then that extra <!--
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  1117. # [21:30] <gde33> lol
  1118. # [21:30] <uf0_work> cancels it out?
  1119. # [21:30] <uf0_work> like an actual comment
  1120. # [21:30] <uf0_work> which is where i'm like huh? what's the point of it then
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  1123. # [21:30] <gde33> it makes: <!--......-->
  1124. # [21:31] <gde33> with the first <!--
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  1127. # [21:31] <gde33> LOL
  1128. # [21:31] <uf0_work> i will wait for mr. paul irish's comment
  1129. # [21:31] <gde33> I will never again try to make something work in IE
  1130. # [21:32] <gde33> everything looks so clean that way
  1131. # [21:32] <uf0_work> gde33: don't start. :)
  1132. # [21:33] <uf0_work> gde33: if you say you don't support ie8 then it aint smart, as I always say
  1133. # [21:33] <uf0_work> it's the most popular browser period.
  1134. # [21:33] <uf0_work> and no i'm not talking about ie6. that's dead
  1135. # [21:33] <gde33> yes, but all of the IE users don't apriciate any software
  1136. # [21:33] <uf0_work> not true.
  1137. # [21:34] <uf0_work> not everyone is smart, actually majority are dumb
  1138. # [21:34] <uf0_work> which is why when you make a website you should support at least IE8
  1139. # [21:34] <uf0_work> you can argue IE7 (which i still support myself)
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  1151. # [21:38] <gde33> this: <!--[if IE]><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=http://firefox.com/"><![endif]-->
  1152. # [21:38] <gde33> thats the way to do it
  1153. # [21:39] <uf0_work> heh
  1154. # [21:39] <gde33> never again IE bug reports
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  1158. # [21:40] <gde33> You can tell me if my website works in IE? :D
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  1161. # [21:43] <gde33> IE one time told me there was a dangerous script on the page then refused to show it to me.
  1162. # [21:43] <gde33> It was my own website, it had 1 document.write on it.
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  1166. # [21:47] <uf0_work> ok
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  1194. # [22:23] <uf0_work> nimbupani: I was asking paul but he isn't around, do you have any idea what's the point of this code
  1195. # [22:23] <uf0_work> <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <!--<![endif]-->
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  1198. # [22:23] <uf0_work> why not just leave that last html tag <html class="no-js" lang="en">
  1199. # [22:23] <uf0_work> plain?
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  1201. # [22:24] <nimbupani> so it does not duplicate for ie6 and 7
  1202. # [22:24] <uf0_work> as in having two html tags?
  1203. # [22:25] <nimbupani> yeah
  1204. # [22:25] <uf0_work> does that happen in IE8?
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  1207. # [22:27] <nimbupani> no because IE8 will evaluate if ie 6 and if ie 7 so it will only render once
  1208. # [22:28] <uf0_work> ok so for example lets say i have a
  1209. # [22:28] <uf0_work> <!--[if IE 9]> <html class="no-js ie9" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  1210. # [22:29] <uf0_work> do i change last one to
  1211. # [22:29] <uf0_work> <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <!--<![endif]-->
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  1213. # [22:29] <uf0_work> if gt IE 9
  1214. # [22:29] <uf0_work> or leave as is
  1215. # [22:29] <uf0_work> I assume leave as is
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  1220. # [22:31] <danbeam> uf0_work: Y U NO curl http://html5boilerplate 2>/dev/null | head -5
  1221. # [22:31] <danbeam> uf0_work: ?
  1222. # [22:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: <!doctype html public "✰">
  1223. # [22:31] <danbeam> paul_irish: ?
  1224. # [22:31] <danbeam> haha
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  1227. # [22:32] <uf0_work> huh?
  1228. # [22:32] <uf0_work> danbeam:
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  1230. # [22:33] <uf0_work> nimbupani: fyi I left it plain, and I don't see it any duplicate html tags
  1231. # [22:33] <uf0_work> when viewing the actual generated HTML
  1232. # [22:33] <uf0_work> in ie7
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  1236. # [22:37] <nimbupani> uf0_work: u should read this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512(v=vs.85).aspx#syntax
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  1238. # [22:37] <nimbupani> and test those examples
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  1244. # [22:39] <uf0_work> ok
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  1256. # [23:06] <waldir> are css3 questions allowed here? :)
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  1258. # [23:06] <nimbupani> yep
  1259. # [23:06] <waldir> nimbupani: :)
  1260. # [23:06] <paul_irish> nimbupani: :)
  1261. # [23:06] <waldir> so, I am trying to understand the recently released css3 multicol module, especially regarding the note under the pseudo-algorithm: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/#pseudo-algorithm
  1262. # [23:06] <waldir> when they say "...when the width of the element has not been determined. This can, e.g., be the case for table cells and floats.", should this also apply to, say, a <div> or <p> that has no width set?
  1263. # [23:06] <waldir> (that is, that would normally stretch to fit the page)
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  1265. # [23:09] <nimbupani> no div or p would inherit
  1266. # [23:10] <nimbupani> or thats my view.
  1267. # [23:10] <nimbupani> but floats get out of the flow
  1268. # [23:11] <waldir> ok... that's a pity, but I can workaround it with float:left; width:100%
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  1270. # [23:12] <waldir> or not :/
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  1274. # [23:12] <nimbupani> waldir: does it not work currently?
  1275. # [23:12] <nimbupani> can u paste what u are trying to do into http://jsfiddle.net
  1276. # [23:12] <waldir> nimbupani: the implementations don't follow the spec yet, afaik
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  1278. # [23:13] <nimbupani> opera's does
  1279. # [23:13] <nimbupani> it was the last to implement them so it supports all parts of the multi-col spec
  1280. # [23:13] <snover> BOOOOOOOOOOM.
  1281. # [23:13] <nimbupani> ?slap snover
  1282. # [23:13] * bot-t slaps snover around a bit with a large trout
  1283. # [23:13] <waldir> lol
  1284. # [23:14] <waldir> but when was this? the spec was updated and promoted to CR in april
  1285. # [23:15] <waldir> ie only a few weeks month ago
  1286. # [23:15] <waldir> *weeka ago
  1287. # [23:15] <waldir> grr
  1288. # [23:15] <waldir> *weeks ago
  1289. # [23:16] <waldir> (I'll go ahead and install opera anyway)
  1290. # [23:16] <tw2113> is it ok to brag that I met Aaron Mentele before paul_irish ?
  1291. # [23:16] <nimbupani> waldir: http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto28/css/multicolumnlayout/
  1292. # [23:16] <tw2113> :D
  1293. # [23:16] <paul_irish> i adore aaron
  1294. # [23:17] <tw2113> he didn't spill any deep dark secrets except that you two are online BFFs
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  1296. # [23:17] <tw2113> i was kind of bummed about that lack actually
  1297. # [23:17] <waldir> btw here's the testcase I was playing with: http://pastebin.com/UCBvkcgR
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  1303. # [23:19] <waldir> so, it appears that if the width is determined (float:left; width:70%;), column-width takes precedence and column-count is ignored (in opera)
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  1308. # [23:20] <waldir> in firefox4, column-count takes precedence instead
  1309. # [23:20] <waldir> chrome does the same as firefox
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  1311. # [23:21] <tw2113> how is everyone otherwise?
  1312. # [23:23] <waldir> firefox and opera do the right thing (respect both column width and count), chrome disregards column width and stretches the div to the page with (which is... weird)
  1313. # [23:23] <tw2113> does chrome have multicolumn support yet?
  1314. # [23:23] <waldir> yep
  1315. # [23:24] <tw2113> just checkin
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  1318. # [23:24] <waldir> ie is the only one (I assume safari does the same as chrome) that doesn't
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  1320. # [23:24] <nimbupani> waldir: i would think chrome and ff do it wrong
  1321. # [23:24] <nimbupani> coz they implemented it much before Opera and before the spec stabilized
  1322. # [23:25] <nimbupani> but then again not sure. needs to be tested :|
  1323. # [23:25] <waldir> nimbupani: I'm trying to understand the relevant lines of the pseudo algorithm (19-22)
  1324. # [23:25] <waldir> that would make things clear
  1325. # [23:25] <nimbupani> probably
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  1328. # [23:26] <waldir> but before I delve into that, check out the results with a normal (non-floating) div, 70% wide:
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  1330. # [23:26] <waldir> opera respects thw div width and column width, ignores column count
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  1332. # [23:27] <waldir> firefox also respects the div width but ignores column with (keeps column count)
  1333. # [23:27] <tw2113> nimbupani, for my own clarity...what would you consider your "focus" to be? I'm adding clarification to my list of people, so newcomers know what these people do
  1334. # [23:27] <waldir> and chrome ignores both div and column width, and respects only column count!
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  1336. # [23:28] <nimbupani> web standards
  1337. # [23:28] <tw2113> hmmm, trying to decide if i want to list that specifically or couple it with "open web evangelist"
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  1339. # [23:29] <nimbupani> yeah thats good enough
  1340. # [23:29] <tw2113> saved for the Open web one...i have paul_irish listed as javascript :D
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  1342. # [23:30] <tw2113> i may start contacting these people and let them confirm or deny what i initially listed for focus #thingstodo
  1343. # [23:31] <waldir> waaait a moment! opera implements the spec wrong
  1344. # [23:31] <tw2113> opera does no wrong!
  1345. # [23:31] <tw2113> except manage to get people to use their browser
  1346. # [23:31] <tw2113> *runs away for that line*
  1347. # [23:31] <waldir> lol
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  1350. # [23:32] <waldir> the column count should never be more than column-count, since the line that determines that on the pseudo algorithm uses a min(colum-count, somethingelse)
  1351. # [23:32] <waldir> so column-count should effectively act as max-column-count here
  1352. # [23:33] <waldir> where's the bug tracker for opera?
  1353. # [23:33] <tw2113> http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/
  1354. # [23:34] <waldir> thx. I'll finish the tests first. I'll probably need to notify FF and CG of their bugs also
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