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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 04 00:00:00 2011
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  14. # [00:19] <tw2113> miketaylr, you're looking classy via @ajpiano
  15. # [00:20] <miketaylr> :D
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  22. # [00:27] <moo-_-> are there any support for CSS variables yet?
  23. # [00:28] <tw2113> not without something like SASS or LESS
  24. # [00:28] <tw2113> straight up css would have to be an ugly mix of php and css, which is just a mess
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  26. # [00:29] <paul_irish> no
  27. # [00:29] <paul_irish> mixins will land in webkit first
  28. # [00:29] <paul_irish> they aren't in yet
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  36. # [00:41] <moo-_-> tw2113: I don't do PHP
  37. # [00:41] <tw2113> then you're stuck variable-less :(
  38. # [00:41] <tw2113> for the moment
  39. # [00:41] <moo-_-> tw2113: I'd rather do my own CSS post-processing then
  40. # [00:41] <tw2113> i need to experiment with LESS
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  42. # [00:44] <tw2113> sup antonkovalyov
  43. # [00:45] <antonkovalyov> sup
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  45. # [00:46] <tw2113> that's what i wanna know :D
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  50. # [00:54] <snover> tw2113: neither sass nor less are php
  51. # [00:55] <snover> oops
  52. # [00:55] <snover> moo-_-: ^
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  54. # [00:55] <tw2113> ;)
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  57. # [01:01] <tw2113> lols...apparently Bing released a url shortener that resulted in binged.it urls, which is longer than bing.com
  58. # [01:02] <daleharvey> I need to figure out how the css tables stuff works, or just go back to using tables
  59. # [01:02] <tw2113> tables for what? tabular data?
  60. # [01:03] <daleharvey> no, for app layouts, absolute positioning / floats whatever just suck for fluid app type layouts
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  64. # [01:09] <snover> wat
  65. # [01:10] <snover> “fluid app type layouts”
  66. # [01:10] <daleharvey> yeh kinda crap explanation
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  68. # [01:11] <daleharvey> but things like, I have a console on the bottom of the page, I want it to resize, the thing above it should take up whatever space it has available
  69. # [01:12] <snover> wat?
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  186. # [05:18] <cviebrock> hey ... i have a flexbox question. Anyone around?
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  191. # [05:21] <themiddleman> cviebrock: sup
  192. # [05:21] <cviebrock> take a look here: http://viebrock.ca/flexbox.html
  193. # [05:22] <cviebrock> (in a good browser, of course)
  194. # [05:22] <cviebrock> ideally, I'd like to display either of those two "layouts" but without changing the HTML (i.e. CSS only)
  195. # [05:22] <cviebrock> I don't think it's possible ... but I'd love to be proved wrong
  196. # [05:23] <ryanseddon> whats the condition of showing either of these? Media queries?
  197. # [05:24] <cviebrock> kinda. It's supposed to be depending on the orientation of your iPhone
  198. # [05:24] <cviebrock> i could do it with media queries, or with a specifing class name on the body tag
  199. # [05:24] <cviebrock> (and JS to detect orientation and add the class, etc.)
  200. # [05:25] <ryanseddon> media queries would be fine
  201. # [05:25] <ryanseddon> media queries can do oreintation too
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  203. # [05:25] <cviebrock> any idea if it does it for BlackBerries?
  204. # [05:25] <ryanseddon> @ media (orientation:portrait|landscape)
  205. # [05:25] <ryanseddon> BB OS6 should
  206. # [05:25] <cviebrock> cool
  207. # [05:26] <ryanseddon> I would test it though, don't take my word
  208. # [05:26] <cviebrock> ok ... back to the original question: can this be done in pure css?
  209. # [05:26] <cviebrock> i can't grok how, without altering the DOM to add some wrapping classes
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  212. # [05:27] <ryanseddon> changing the layout based on orientation?
  213. # [05:27] <cviebrock> yup
  214. # [05:27] <zamabe> BACON!
  215. # [05:27] <zamabe> tw2113, BACON!
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  217. # [05:31] <cviebrock> I just updated the file a bit, to show that one of the boxes keeps it's size: http://viebrock.ca/flexbox.html
  218. # [05:31] <ryanseddon> cviebrock: http://jsfiddle.net/ryanseddon/YE9cR/embedded/result/ that will change layout based on orientation
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  221. # [05:33] <cviebrock> hrm
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  223. # [05:33] <cviebrock> need to copy the code somewhere so I can test on the phone
  224. # [05:36] <cviebrock> ryanseddon: nice ... but notice on the original which letter goes where
  225. # [05:36] <cviebrock> on the landscape one, A and B change places
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  227. # [05:37] <cviebrock> that's what is stumping me
  228. # [05:37] <ryanseddon> ah i see
  229. # [05:37] <cviebrock> i think I need JS to do this
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  233. # [05:48] <cviebrock> ryanseddon: any more thoughts?
  234. # [05:48] <ryanseddon> hmm you kinda need that group container to shift the flexbox to horz or vert
  235. # [05:50] <ryanseddon> So you would have to move the DOM nodes into and out of the group div to get the effect you wanted
  236. # [05:50] <cviebrock> yeah, and if I'm reordering, then the group container goes around the other 2 nodes
  237. # [05:50] <cviebrock> right
  238. # [05:50] <cviebrock> working on that ... ;)
  239. # [05:58] <cviebrock> ryanseddon: http://viebrock.ca/flexbox.html
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  241. # [05:59] <cviebrock> i exchanged the media query for a bit of JS so that you can test it on a desktop, but i think that works
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  243. # [06:05] <cviebrock> and http://viebrock.ca/flexbox2.html is tested and works on my iPhone.
  244. # [06:06] <cviebrock> sadly, I need to use JS to detect the orientation change, since i then need to fire the code to swap the nodes. I don't see how a media query or css change could do the same thing
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  248. # [06:18] <cviebrock> thanks for your help!
  249. # [06:18] <ryanseddon> np
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  477. # [14:22] <dpy> hey guys
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  479. # [14:23] <dpy> does anyone know how to bind to the onopen/onmessage/onclose event in a way that guarantees the handlers have been set prior to connecting?
  480. # [14:24] <dpy> the way I see it you create a new WebSocket with new WebSocket(uri), and then it is possible (however unlikely) that the connection is established prior to setting the handlers...
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  482. # [14:24] <dpy> i.e. there is no separation between setup code and active code
  483. # [14:25] <dpy> is this possible at all? or should I just live with the limitations and hope it never occurs...
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  574. # [17:16] <crankharder> I'm getting validation errors for character references like this: &#149 -- where can I find a list of references for html5?
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  576. # [17:16] <crankharder> i guess it should be here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/named-character-references.html#named-character-references -- but it's not
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  579. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> crankharder, 149 is the wrong number
  580. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> I very much doubt you want 'MESSAGE WAITING'
  581. # [17:28] <Ms2ger> crankharder, try &#x2022;
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  594. # [17:53] <crankharder> Ms2ger: right, and where'd you find that?
  595. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> Look for "tokenizing character references" or some such
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  598. # [17:55] <crankharder> thanx
  599. # [17:55] <crankharder> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tokenization.html
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  606. # [18:08] <mahen23> hey hey
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  608. # [18:08] <mahen23> anyone can tell me why background image does not work in Chrome 11?
  609. # [18:10] <moo-_-> mahen23: need more details - follow instructions on http://blog.mfabrik.com/2011/03/17/rfc-simple-internet-question-asking-protocol-for-human-beings/
  610. # [18:12] <mahen23> lol
  611. # [18:12] <mahen23> i cannot re-create this in chrome: http://leaverou.me/css3patterns/#horizontal-stripes
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  614. # [18:14] <moo-_-> mahen23: why didn't you ask so in the first place? :)
  615. # [18:14] <ericam> are you using the webkit prefix?
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  617. # [18:15] <mahen23> eum on which? background-image?
  618. # [18:15] <ericam> -webkit-linear-gradient
  619. # [18:16] <ericam> though that will only work on the latest version of chrome. older versions had a completely different, much longer and more confusing syntax of their own.
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  624. # [18:17] <moo-_-> mahen23: syntax has changed a bit
  625. # [18:17] <moo-_-> standard is in constant motion :)
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  627. # [18:18] <mahen23> yep, in fact i copied the code from the lightbox :(
  628. # [18:18] <mahen23> when i view the code in developer tools, it had lots of webkit thingy with it
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  630. # [18:20] <ericam> yeah, the lightbox is only giving you the standard, you'll need all the browser-specific lines in order for it to work most places at this point.
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  632. # [18:20] <mahen23> yeps, thanks guys
  633. # [18:21] <mahen23> By the way, did you guys see that -> http://css-infos.net/property/-webkit-marquee
  634. # [18:22] <mahen23> its like a frankenstein story to me
  635. # [18:23] <ericam> <marquee>fun!</marquee>
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  639. # [18:27] <Ms2ger> Oh, there's a spec for that
  640. # [18:27] <pa7> I'm just waiting for -webkit-blink ;) (ok webkit transitions already do that)
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  643. # [18:31] <Ms2ger> pa7, text-decoration: blink?
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  647. # [18:32] <pa7> Ms2ger, oh sry haven't heard of it before only remembered <blink> *g*
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  705. # [19:38] <Peeter`> Can anyone suggest a non-flash based solution for streaming mp3 or ogg formats in IE8?
  706. # [19:40] <tw2113> no non-flash based ones that i've ever heard of
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  708. # [19:42] <skyler_brungardt> Java.
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  710. # [19:42] <skyler_brungardt> SilverLight, I *think*.
  711. # [19:42] <skyler_brungardt> Quicktime.
  712. # [19:43] <skyler_brungardt> Peeter`: All of the above should have the ability to steam mp3 and/or ogg, depending upon which is installed and with what plugins.
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  717. # [19:49] <Jon47> its funny but you're better off with flash!
  718. # [19:50] <Jon47> for now..
  719. # [19:50] <Jon47> at least it's not tied to a specific browser vendor
  720. # [19:50] <Jon47> i guess java isn't either
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  723. # [19:51] <Jon47> haven't seen a streaming audio player implemented in java before but i'm sure they're out there
  724. # [19:52] <Ms2ger> Cortado, or whatever it's called? Or doesn't that stream?
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  744. # [20:35] <moo-_-> cortado streams
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  769. # [21:14] <grantg> any html5 news?
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  772. # [21:15] <tw2113> it's still here
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  867. # [23:38] <grantg> paul_irish: When will people stop reposting the same JQuery 1.6 link on Reddit on Hacker News?
  868. # [23:38] <grantg> :/
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