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  62. # [02:53] <tw2113> woohoo! thunder
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  73. # [03:13] <grantg> paul_irish: crogers fixed web audio clicking and popping. :O
  74. # [03:13] <grantg> http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/bin/ChromiumForGrant.zip
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  76. # [03:13] <grantg> chrome haz been fixed. :D
  77. # [03:14] <grantg> about:flags, enable web audio, enjoy http://grantgalitz.org/get_the_hell_out/SuperMarioBros/
  78. # [03:14] <grantg> :)
  79. # [03:18] <ryanseddon> grantg: Do you generate the sounds using the audio api?
  80. # [03:18] <grantg> ryanseddon
  81. # [03:18] <grantg> yes
  82. # [03:18] <grantg> I use the audio lib I wrote
  83. # [03:19] <themiddleman> lol @ get the hell out
  84. # [03:19] <ryanseddon> Have you seen http://www.egonelbre.com/js/jsfx/
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  86. # [03:21] <grantg> ryanseddon: Works with Mozilla Audio Data API AND WebKit Web Audio API: https://github.com/grantgalitz/XAudioJS
  87. # [03:21] <grantg> And uses a last-resort WAV PCM data URI realtime generator as a fallback
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  91. # [03:24] <ryanseddon> grantg: ah cool, whats the performance diff between generating a wav and using the web audio api's?
  92. # [03:25] <grantg> one gives you GC pauses and clicks and the other is smooth and not delayed by like 1/2 a second or more
  93. # [03:25] <grantg> :P
  94. # [03:26] <grantg> web audio apis give you direct access to the audio system
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  96. # [03:26] <grantg> the wav pcm data uri is an indirect way
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  107. # [03:48] <digitalfiz> hey grantg http://www.grantgalitz.org/sound_test/ lags the crap out of my machine and doesnt play music :( is it supposed to work in edge chrome?
  108. # [03:48] <grantg> digitalfiz: Are you on mac?
  109. # [03:49] <digitalfiz> yes
  110. # [03:49] <grantg> and have you enabled web audio in about:flags?
  111. # [03:49] <digitalfiz> i havent done it myself so probably not
  112. # [03:49] <grantg> and are you running http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/bin/ChromiumForGrant.zip ?
  113. # [03:49] <grantg> It's the bugfix version of web audio for chrome
  114. # [03:50] <grantg> seems to work a lot better than the current nightly with web audio enabled
  115. # [03:50] <grantg> less clicking and popping. <-
  116. # [03:50] <grantg> a lot less
  117. # [03:51] <digitalfiz> ah
  118. # [03:51] <digitalfiz> yeah it works now very poppy clicky
  119. # [03:51] <digitalfiz> ill try that version
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  122. # [03:54] <digitalfiz> does the bugfix cause other issues? if it makes it this much better and doesnt cause issues dunno why it wouldnt be in the nightlies already
  123. # [03:56] <grantg> crogers just compiled his patch
  124. # [03:56] <grantg> It's standard
  125. # [03:57] <grantg> just with a patch that's about to land
  126. # [03:57] <grantg> see http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81445
  127. # [03:57] <grantg> also
  128. # [03:57] <grantg> it works in firefox 4
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  130. # [03:59] <grantg> also http://www.grantgalitz.org/get_the_hell_out/GB_3D_Texture_Test/ should have some audio playing too
  131. # [03:59] <grantg> :P
  132. # [03:59] <grantg> any of my demo pages
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  134. # [04:03] <digitalfiz> what program did you use to screencap this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjX1xXKWXtI ?
  135. # [04:04] <grantg> quicktime player
  136. # [04:04] <grantg> it comes with your mac
  137. # [04:04] <grantg> but to record the audio as well you need soundflower
  138. # [04:04] <grantg> to pipe your internal audio to make the OS think it's another input
  139. # [04:05] <grantg> so you use "soundflower" as a mic input
  140. # [04:05] <grantg> which really is the internal audio from your OS
  141. # [04:05] <digitalfiz> yeah ive used soundflower with nicecast
  142. # [04:06] <digitalfiz> i didnt know quicktime did screen capture
  143. # [04:06] <grantg> do "screen recording" with quicktime player
  144. # [04:06] <grantg> and select soundflower as the input
  145. # [04:06] <grantg> :)
  146. # [04:07] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/get_the_hell_out/SuperMarioBros/ might be a better test page. :P
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  211. # [06:48] <uf0> http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ = genius
  212. # [06:54] <digitalfiz> yes
  213. # [06:54] <digitalfiz> i have massive love for that wonderful tool
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  216. # [06:56] <zewt-> heh, another photoshop-alike in js
  217. # [06:58] <uf0> it's genius though
  218. # [06:58] <uf0> if designer talk ishh to me
  219. # [06:58] <uf0> I just point them to that link :)
  220. # [07:00] <zewt-> now if only it saved state to the URL :P
  221. # [07:01] <uf0> heh true
  222. # [07:03] <zewt-> my photoshop-alike: http://zewt.org/curves/?url=http://www.manywallpapers.com/d/3340/-/vivid-colors_1600_x_1200.jpg
  223. # [07:04] <uf0> not bad so far
  224. # [07:05] <zewt-> does what i set out to do, probably won't do much else with it
  225. # [07:07] <uf0> word
  226. # [07:08] <zewt-> actually i'd like to make histograms work fully, but webgl limitations get in the way
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  229. # [07:11] <uf0> histograms, whoa that's sound tricky
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  231. # [07:13] <uf0> http://i.imgur.com/7nx7U.jpg
  232. # [07:13] * tw2113 lols
  233. # [07:13] <uf0> :)
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  236. # [07:28] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell grantg hahahahhah lol @ ChromiumForGrant.zip
  237. # [07:28] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
  238. # [07:28] <tw2113> paul_irish what do you want your primary "focus" to be on that newt page of mine at http://trexthepirate.com/newt/ ? Javascript?
  239. # [07:29] <tw2113> open web evangelist?
  240. # [07:29] <paul_irish> sure
  241. # [07:30] <tw2113> for which one? JS or Open Web?
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  293. # [08:50] <obert-> hi do you got an History api usage example,please?
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  296. # [09:11] <paul_irish> obert-: http://html5demos.com/history
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  298. # [09:14] <obert-> paul_irish i meant an example to get its powerfull
  299. # [09:15] <obert-> where it can be applied
  300. # [09:17] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/h4e1f/i_saw_this_when_applying_for_a_job_online/
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  304. # [09:20] <obert-> hmm
  305. # [09:21] <obert-> i'm not gettin where and when it would be used
  306. # [09:22] <tw2113> http://diveintohtml5.org/history.html
  307. # [09:22] <obert-> diveinto :)
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  310. # [09:23] <obert-> is the new w3schools?:)
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  312. # [09:23] <tw2113> except i'm sure Dive Into HTML5 is kept uptodate and is accurate
  313. # [09:24] <obert-> heard that diveintopython.org was bad
  314. # [09:25] <nimbupani> ?tias @ obert-
  315. # [09:25] <bot-t> obert-, Try It And See
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  317. # [09:26] <obert-> ? heh
  318. # [09:26] <bot-t> obert-, JQuerySprint/docs/irclog - All times are EDT(GMT-4) http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/docs/irclog
  319. # [09:26] <tw2113> good early early morning nimbupani
  320. # [09:26] <obert-> mmm??
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  322. # [09:27] <tw2113> it's 2:30am here
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  324. # [09:28] <obert-> good early morning ;)
  325. # [09:28] <nimbupani> morning tw2113
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  327. # [09:29] <obert-> what is that jquery thing?
  328. # [09:29] <obert-> you are confusing me once again :P
  329. # [09:30] <tw2113> jquery causes kittens
  330. # [09:31] <obert-> ...
  331. # [09:31] <obert-> thought that i didnt gotcha things because of my poor engrish knowledge..but perhaps you're talking weird :P
  332. # [09:31] <tw2113> $(#some_id).kitten({ sound: meow });
  333. # [09:32] <obert-> mah :)
  334. # [09:33] <tw2113> missed the single quotes
  335. # [09:33] <tw2113> sound: 'meow'
  336. # [09:33] <obert-> tsk tsk
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  339. # [09:34] <obert-> :Purr
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  347. # [09:40] <obert-> Let’s say you have two pages, page A and page B. The two pages are 90% identical; only 10% of the page content is different. The user navigates to page A, then tries to navigate to page B. But instead of triggering a full page refresh, you interrupt this navigation and do the following steps manually: mah
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  497. # [16:51] <skylamer`> does any one can tell me how to make when page ab load to launch auto a audio tag play ?
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  501. # [17:23] <moo-_-> FYI if any finns here http://mozillalabs.com/demoparty/helsinki
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  540. # [18:46] <xonecas> o/
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  562. # [19:21] <skyler_brungardt> Anyone here used Selectivizr?
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  567. # [19:30] <tw2113> i have, not to its fullest extent though
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  569. # [19:30] <tw2113> other than realizing it was working in IE when i forgot i had it so i had to scratch my head for a moment :D
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  574. # [19:41] <skyler_brungardt> Benefits/drawbacks?
  575. # [19:41] <skyler_brungardt> Experiences?
  576. # [19:41] <skyler_brungardt> Seems like it's a very specific, graceful degradation tool.
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  578. # [19:44] <tw2113> it adds a lot of pseudo selector support
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  580. # [19:44] <tw2113> so if you do a lot of high end css with those, it'd be worth it
  581. # [19:46] <tw2113> and from the looks of it, if you want the highest range of support, use it with mootools or nwmatcher
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  600. # [20:14] <xonecas> paul_irish_: so that you don't have any hard feelings I removed the ender dependency from dustymarkdown :-P
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  607. # [20:17] <grantg> hi xonecas
  608. # [20:17] <bot-t1> (12 hours 40 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg hahahahhah lol @ ChromiumForGrant.zip
  609. # [20:17] <grantg> paul_irish_: lol
  610. # [20:17] <grantg> nice message. <_<
  611. # [20:18] <xonecas> grantg: how are you man
  612. # [20:18] <xonecas> long time no chat
  613. # [20:18] <grantg> good
  614. # [20:18] <xonecas> Any games update?
  615. # [20:19] <grantg> chromium finally is about to work well with web audio
  616. # [20:20] <grantg> so the audio works well now
  617. # [20:20] <grantg> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81445
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  622. # [20:27] <xonecas> nice :-)
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  626. # [20:29] <grantg> http://silverprice.org/charts/silver_1d_o_USD.png
  627. # [20:29] <grantg> silver is crashing big time
  628. # [20:29] <grantg> http://www.google.com/#q=silver+prices&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=636&prmd=ivnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=7t_CTY3XL8PcgQfyyp2EAg&ved=0CG8QqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9c1f07a29e95b985
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  630. # [20:29] <grantg> take your money and run. :P
  631. # [20:30] <tw2113> what money?
  632. # [20:30] <grantg> heh
  633. # [20:30] <tw2113> i'm a freelance develope
  634. # [20:30] <tw2113> r
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  640. # [20:36] <xonecas> tw2113 yup better be carefull saying *money* around freelancers
  641. # [20:36] <skylamer`> Can u tell mwe how to make onload audio auto play sound ?
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  644. # [20:40] <nickserc> lol
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  646. # [20:41] <tw2113> this is just an example but <audio src="elvis.ogg" controls preload="auto" autoplay>
  647. # [20:41] <croby> It seems that FF 3.6 is having trouble with a -moz-box-shadow and overflow -- i have an element that is 100% width with a box shadow applied, and it is overflowing, causing scrollbars, and overflow:hidden isn't doing me any good -- any ideas?
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  655. # [20:44] <varrg> is diveintohtml5.org a good resource to learn html5 tags?
  656. # [20:44] <xonecas> _|_|_: are you having trouble with nickserv buddy?
  657. # [20:45] <xonecas> varrg: I would say so
  658. # [20:45] <xonecas> http://developers.whatwg.org/ this one is good too
  659. # [20:45] <varrg> cool, and is there not a better way to make <=IE8 style html5 tags, but that html5shim.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/html5.js script?
  660. # [20:46] <varrg> I am fine with this idea
  661. # [20:46] <varrg> but I was thinking if a better solution is up
  662. # [20:46] <xonecas> varrg: Modernizer and html5Boilerplate will help with those
  663. # [20:46] <varrg> okay, but that one is also okay?
  664. # [20:46] <xonecas> yes of course
  665. # [20:46] <||||||||||||||||> :|
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  667. # [20:47] <varrg> cool
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  670. # [20:48] <varrg> I'm updating my sites to CSS3 and HTML5 and it feels like a refreshing shower :)
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  675. # [20:52] <tw2113> go with modernizr, it has the shiv in it plus other features
  676. # [20:53] <varrg> but aren't those features mostly for javascript programming?
  677. # [20:53] <varrg> my site only has 1 javascript function and won't need any upgrading
  678. # [20:54] <tw2113> modernizr does a lot with feature testing including css related stuff
  679. # [20:54] <tw2113> adds classes to the html tag like "noborderradius" for example, though probably not exactly that
  680. # [20:54] <tw2113> that way you can offer completely alternative stuff if the browser doesn't have that
  681. # [20:55] <varrg> ah, I run that explicitly through a stylesheet file though
  682. # [20:56] <tw2113> an example from a site i used it on
  683. # [20:56] <tw2113> <html class=" js flexbox rgba hsla multiplebgs backgroundsize borderimage borderradius boxshadow textshadow opacity no-cssanimations csscolumns cssgradients no-cssreflections csstransforms no-csstransforms3d csstransitions fontface video audio">
  684. # [20:56] <tw2113> i can hook onto all of those with FF4
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  687. # [20:58] <varrg> what do you mean 'hook onto' ?
  688. # [21:00] <tw2113> those are all classes i can use in my css
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  692. # [21:01] <varrg> without defining them in a stylesheet file or what?
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  694. # [21:01] <tw2113> firefox4 offers rgba, so i can use .rgba { something something } and if i viewed the same site in IE7, i'd have a class of no-rgba that i can do alternative styling with
  695. # [21:02] <tw2113> all those classes are put on the opening <html> tag
  696. # [21:02] <tw2113> and are available if you want to use them
  697. # [21:02] <varrg> ah okay
  698. # [21:02] <varrg> I see
  699. # [21:02] <varrg> interesting, although my site is already backwards compatible with css2
  700. # [21:02] <varrg> but interesting still!
  701. # [21:02] <tw2113> very handy if you want to use the newest stuff but still offer something else for those without
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  710. # [21:15] <tw2113> am i still here?
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  713. # [21:18] <varrg> tw2113, yes
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  715. # [21:18] <monteslu> do any of the dataarts guys hangout here?
  716. # [21:19] <tw2113> cool
  717. # [21:19] <varrg> what I'm making is a new design for an ordinary blog; header (title, description), a content thingie (with blog posts), and to the left: My image, my name and a slogan, under that, links to latest posts, archive etc
  718. # [21:19] <varrg> what would the part with my image and name and such be in html5? I'm thinking <section>
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  720. # [21:20] <tw2113> figure?
  721. # [21:20] <varrg> ye, wasn't sure what <section> was according to the description
  722. # [21:20] <tw2113> it's for sectioning stuff :P
  723. # [21:21] <varrg> the archives and latest post are all <nav> blocks, the posts are <article> (with addition child <hgroup> and <time>) blocks
  724. # [21:21] <varrg> would the <div> that holds ALL posts be a <section>?
  725. # [21:21] <daleharvey> <section> is kinda silly
  726. # [21:21] <daleharvey> I just use divs and be done with it
  727. # [21:22] <monteslu> arghhh. the new globe chrome experiment is really cool, but the data format example in the readme is wrong
  728. # [21:22] <tw2113> no, section wouldn't be the container
  729. # [21:22] <Jon47> I could argue that section applies there.. it's the section of the blog that contains the articles
  730. # [21:22] <varrg> would any html5 tag work as a container of posts?
  731. # [21:22] <Jon47> the sidebar is the section of the blog that contains meta info
  732. # [21:22] <tw2113> http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/
  733. # [21:23] <tw2113> remember, html5 isn't aiming to remove every single use of div's
  734. # [21:24] <varrg> ye indeed
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  737. # [21:24] <varrg> that first 'correct' example on that link tw2113, I use <hgroup> instead
  738. # [21:24] <varrg> should be as valid I think?
  739. # [21:24] <tw2113> ?g html5 outliner
  740. # [21:24] <bot-t> tw2113, HTML 5 Outliner - http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/
  741. # [21:24] <Jon47> html5doctor just uses a div there
  742. # [21:25] <tw2113> hgroup is iffy if i recall right
  743. # [21:25] <varrg> iffy?
  744. # [21:26] <tw2113> it may not stay
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  746. # [21:27] <farbstift> hi
  747. # [21:27] <varrg> ah okay
  748. # [21:28] <varrg> would the whole sidebar (my image, name...., latest posts, archive links etc) be inside <aside> block?
  749. # [21:28] <varrg> seems to fit the description
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  753. # [21:29] <tw2113> asides are ones i'm still not completely sure about myself
  754. # [21:29] <farbstift> IE8 doesn't show <header> tag as block element, even with css display: block. Firebug shows me that the <header> tag that should sorround a div tag is not doing it - openen and closing header tag are seem to intepreted as self closing tags
  755. # [21:30] <farbstift> any tips to work around that?
  756. # [21:30] <tw2113> do you have the html5shiv or modernizr in use farbstift ?
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  758. # [21:31] <farbstift> tw2113: no
  759. # [21:31] <tw2113> i think IE needs some javascript for the new tags, so it knows "hey, i can apply styles to these things"
  760. # [21:31] <farbstift> i wanted to keep the code as clean as possible
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  762. # [21:32] <farbstift> but if they make the life easier - which one would you recommend ?
  763. # [21:32] <tw2113> otherwise IE doesn't know what to do with the tags at all
  764. # [21:33] <tw2113> i use modernizr because it has the shiv + other features
  765. # [21:33] <farbstift> well then let's add moar javascript :)
  766. # [21:33] <tw2113> i have had the new tags working back to IE6
  767. # [21:34] <farbstift> thanks for your help tw2113
  768. # [21:34] <tw2113> the semantic ones that is, haven't bothered with canvas
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  772. # [21:35] <robhawkes> tw2113: Hey dude
  773. # [21:35] <tw2113> sup
  774. # [21:36] <robhawkes> Just about to go make some dinner
  775. # [21:36] <robhawkes> Yourself?
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  777. # [21:37] <tw2113> clearing out blog feed rss notifications while delaying some markup work
  778. # [21:37] <tw2113> i can't delay too long because they want to launch monday/tuesday and i have work to do still
  779. # [21:37] <tw2113> plus apparently you need money to pay bills
  780. # [21:38] <robhawkes> Yeah, those sneaky bills
  781. # [21:38] <farbstift> tw2113, Modernizr has really some magic. Just included it into html code and now the site look identical to firefox :)
  782. # [21:38] <robhawkes> Well, enjoy the procrastination. I need to eat, so I'll catch you later :)
  783. # [21:38] <skylamer`> tw2113: hey man
  784. # [21:38] <skylamer`> ya i saw the audio tag for html56
  785. # [21:38] <tw2113> cya rob
  786. # [21:39] <skylamer`> i want to have preload and to load that sound nearly onload thats mean 1-3 secs after load ?!
  787. # [21:39] <tw2113> it doesn't have data to play instantly skylamer`
  788. # [21:39] <varrg> what would the <mark> tag be used for?
  789. # [21:39] <tw2113> ?g html5 mark
  790. # [21:39] <bot-t> tw2113, Draw attention with mark | HTML5 Doctor - http://html5doctor.com/draw-attention-with-mark/
  791. # [21:39] <tw2113> that's one i don't know much about varrg
  792. # [21:39] <tw2113> but hopefully the doc helps again :D
  793. # [21:40] <varrg> will read
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  795. # [21:43] <varrg> well, okay, the html5 markup seems to be done
  796. # [21:43] <varrg> now to the styling of it! :)
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  799. # [21:46] <skylamer`> cIOol audio player with make own playlist ?
  800. # [21:46] <skylamer`> fkro a web page
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