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118. # [03:21] <danbeam> miketaylr: I'm sorry I didn't get to meet you at JSConf, dude
119. # [03:21] <danbeam> miketaylr: I was too busy evading Batmna
120. # [03:21] <danbeam> miketaylr: Batman**
121. # [03:21] <miketaylr> danbeam: hahaha
122. # [03:21] <miketaylr> it's all good
123. # [03:21] <miketaylr> i'm sure our paths will cross again
124. # [03:21] <danbeam> as long as it's paths and not swords, I'm cool with that
125. # [03:22] <miketaylr> deal.
126. # [03:22] <danbeam> haha
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133. # [03:23] <danbeam> also, my boss added Opera to the "Ultimate CSS Gradient Gradient" for you, :)
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140. # [03:23] <danbeam> @miketaylr
141. # [03:24] <miketaylr> BOOM
142. # [03:24] <tw2113> aghhhh!
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144. # [03:24] <tw2113> oh it's miketaylr, don't scare me like that
145. # [03:24] <miketaylr> (sry)
146. # [03:24] <tw2113> for a second i thought i saw dan beam inappropriately
147. # [03:24] <danbeam> that'd only be if you thought my name was Dan Dean
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149. # [03:25] <miketaylr> danbeam: i'm glad he added new webkit syntax too
150. # [03:25] <miketaylr> also gradients make my head hurt
151. # [03:25] <miketaylr> SO MUCH CODE
152. # [03:27] <tw2113> whatever happened to the days of an image for a gradient? eh?
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157. # [03:46] <danbeam> miketaylr, tw2113: yeah, eventually the image version will be smaller, :P
158. # [03:46] <uf0> i like my css3 gradients
159. # [03:47] <uf0> eff slicin' and dicin'
160. # [03:47] <danbeam> uf0: yeah, I'm just kidding - I hate GIMP or Photoshop, I'd like to just change some hexz
161. # [03:47] <uf0> :) i know you were
162. # [03:47] <uf0> i felt it from here
163. # [03:47] <danbeam> uf0: especially because I'm a colorblind motherfucker
164. # [03:48] <uf0> danbeam: lol
165. # [03:48] <danbeam> uf0: I'd rather tweak hex codes than attempt to look at things in Photoshop
166. # [03:48] <danbeam> but I do have to say that's a damn ton of code - http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
167. # [03:48] <WILDbot> Title: Ultimate CSS Gradient Generator - ColorZilla.com (at www.colorzilla.com)
168. # [03:48] <uf0> in that case lets make sure we build accessibility sites for dan
169. # [03:48] <uf0> oh yea it
170. # [03:48] <uf0> and btw
171. # [03:49] <uf0> strip out dummy opera
172. # [03:49] <uf0> it's percentage is identical or less than ie6
173. # [03:49] <uf0> doofs
174. # [03:49] * danbeam inb4 miketaylr rage
175. # [03:49] <uf0> less code = sexy
176. # [03:49] <miketaylr> RAGE
177. # [03:49] <danbeam> yes!
178. # [03:50] <miketaylr> uf0: don't be lame
179. # [03:50] <uf0> miketaylr: I think i we had a convo about this before lol
180. # [03:50] <uf0> dejavu
181. # [03:50] <miketaylr> :p
182. # [03:50] <uf0> i will stop here.
183. # [03:50] <uf0> and i must say
184. # [03:51] <miketaylr> just remember, opera is at like 30% in russia WHY DO YOU HATE RUSSIANS
185. # [03:51] <uf0> chrome does a really good job on updating folks to 11
186. # [03:51] <uf0> so fast!
187. # [03:51] <uf0> i think to some extent even faster then firefox
188. # [03:51] <uf0> miketaylr: lmao
189. # [03:51] <uf0> shit really?
190. # [03:51] <miketaylr> yep
191. # [03:52] <miketaylr> shit's huge in the former soviet union
192. # [03:52] <uf0> alright i'll stop then
193. # [03:52] <uf0> keep my thoughts in my head next time
194. # [03:52] <uf0> lol
195. # [03:52] <miketaylr> http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-RU-monthly-201004-201104
196. # [03:52] <WILDbot> Title: StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share (at gs.statcounter.com)
197. # [03:52] <miketaylr> etc.
198. # [03:52] <miketaylr> WILDbot!!!
199. # [03:53] <miketaylr> where'd that bot come from?
200. # [03:53] * uf0 slaps tw2113 around a bit with a large trout
201. # [03:53] <miketaylr> http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-UZ-monthly-201004-201104
202. # [03:53] <WILDbot> Title: StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share (at gs.statcounter.com)
203. # [03:53] <miketaylr> WHY DO YOU HATE UZBEKS
204. # [03:53] <miketaylr> ok i'm done heh
205. # [03:54] <uf0> eff is a uzbek?
206. # [03:54] <miketaylr> i'll give you two guesses
207. # [03:55] <uf0> no seriously though, I still use any gradient background images on a body tag
208. # [03:55] <uf0> if need be
209. # [03:55] <uf0> everything else css3
210. # [03:55] <uf0> i mean I still use images for ones on body tag*
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212. # [03:56] <mister_m> I have an ordered list, but the numbers in the list are appearing really far to the left of my text. is there a way I can move the list numbers to where the text would normally start?
213. # [03:56] <mister_m> or is this done with CSS?
214. # [03:57] <danbeam> mister_m: CSS - list-style-type: none;
215. # [03:57] <mister_m> danbeam, I would like my list items to be numbered
216. # [03:57] <danbeam> mister_m: oh
217. # [03:57] <danbeam> mister_m: margin/padding?
218. # [03:57] <danbeam> mister_m: text-indent?
219. # [03:58] <uf0> mister_m: try this ul, ol {list-style: decimal outside; margin: 0; padding: 0;}
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221. # [03:58] <uf0> err.. erase the ul
222. # [03:58] <uf0> use ol
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224. # [04:01] <mister_m> uf0, hmm, no change
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226. # [04:02] <uf0> mister_m: replace ol with whatever class or id your targetting
227. # [04:03] <uf0> if it aint that, maybe you got padding, margins on your text
228. # [04:04] <uf0> just play around with margins/padding
229. # [04:04] <uf0> on the list or text
230. # [04:06] <mister_m> ok whoops, my mistake, I wanted inside, not outside
231. # [04:06] <mister_m> uf0, thanks
232. # [04:06] <tw2113> this room blew up while i was on the phone
233. # [04:06] <uf0> k
234. # [04:07] <uf0> tw2113: yea you disappeared
235. # [04:09] <tw2113> had to call parents + grab laundry
236. # [04:09] * danbeam tw2113 is away, everybody party!
237. # [04:09] * danbeam awwww shit
238. # [04:09] <tw2113> i am the party, bitch
239. # [04:10] * danbeam doesn't believe you
240. # [04:10] <uf0> you need more people
241. # [04:10] <danbeam> uf0: yes, I own at least 10
242. # [04:10] <uf0> well then...
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244. # [04:11] <uf0> you know what's funny
245. # [04:11] <uf0> you said text-indent?
246. # [04:11] <danbeam> ya...
247. # [04:11] <uf0> i don't think I've ever used that in my life
248. # [04:11] <uf0> and i wonder who does
249. # [04:11] <danbeam> it's pretty useful
250. # [04:11] <danbeam> anytime I sprite things
251. # [04:11] <danbeam> I say text-ident: -9999em;
252. # [04:11] <uf0> ooooh of course
253. # [04:11] <danbeam> so I can shove text in there
254. # [04:11] <uf0> that
255. # [04:11] <tw2113> great for indenting text or giving to bitches....bitches love indented text
256. # [04:11] <uf0> I meant
257. # [04:11] <uf0> on a positive
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259. # [04:12] <uf0> not the infamous -999
260. # [04:12] <tw2113> if only people did -666px on religious sites
261. # [04:12] <danbeam> you can also make some cool shit with :first-letter
262. # [04:12] <danbeam> I think
263. # [04:12] <uf0> tw2113: lol
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265. # [04:12] <uf0> yea I've only used -999 but never just for reg use
266. # [04:13] <danbeam> you can indent :first-line or :first-letter, afaik
267. # [04:13] <uf0> I see.
268. # [04:13] <danbeam> to give novel paragraph-y effect
269. # [04:14] <uf0> word
270. # [04:14] <danbeam> psh, Mark Pilgrim doesn't even use it here?! http://diveintohtml5.org/
271. # [04:14] <danbeam> lame
272. # [04:14] <WILDbot> Title: Dive Into HTML5 (at diveintohtml5.org)
273. # [04:14] <uf0> eff is wrong is wildbot
274. # [04:14] <miketaylr> who owns wildbot?
275. # [04:14] <uf0> no one is talking to you dude
276. # [04:14] <danbeam> lol
277. # [04:15] <danbeam> /ignore WILDbot ?
278. # [04:15] <uf0> html5boilerplate
279. # [04:15] <uf0> nope that didn't work
280. # [04:15] <uf0> html5boilerplate.com
281. # [04:15] <danbeam> need protocol, I'd guess
282. # [04:15] <danbeam> http://html5boilerplate.com/
283. # [04:15] <miketaylr> bot-t: tell WILDbot STFU
284. # [04:15] <WILDbot> Title: HTML5 Boilerplate - A rock-solid default template for HTML5 awesome. (at html5boilerplate.com)
285. # [04:15] <bot-t> miketaylr, Okay.
286. # [04:15] <bot-t> (0 sec ago) <miketaylr> tell WILDbot STFU
287. # [04:15] <danbeam> ?slap WILDbot
288. # [04:15] * bot-t slaps WILDbot around a bit with a large trout
289. # [04:15] <uf0> pfft
290. # [04:17] <danbeam> paul_irish_: "You know all those site optimization tricks that Steve Souders tells you is a good idea? You're four keystrokes away from nailing a 100% on them." http://html5boilerplate.com/img/optim.png <-- in image of this it's a 91%, lol
291. # [04:18] <danbeam> paul_irish_: and html5boilerplate.com itself only gets 89% for B, lol, (in YSlow for Chrome, at least)
292. # [04:18] <uf0> B is good enough
293. # [04:19] <danbeam> uf0: it is, but it's just kinda funny...
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295. # [04:19] <uf0> yea it is
296. # [04:19] <uf0> I think over 90% is overdoing honestly
297. # [04:19] <uf0> it's like dev nitpicking at that point
298. # [04:19] <danbeam> haha
299. # [04:20] <danbeam> perceived perf. is probably more important
300. # [04:20] <uf0> is like when a designer says.. it's 2 pixels off
301. # [04:20] <uf0> :)
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303. # [04:25] <tw2113> in those cases, tell him his display is off by 2 px
304. # [04:28] <uf0> lol
305. # [04:28] <uf0> good one
306. # [04:30] <tw2113> see how many people you can make move their monitor or fiddle with settings
307. # [04:30] <tw2113> and when they fail, which they will because it's all a lie, scoff and go "you can't do anything right"
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309. # [04:34] <uf0> what's all a lie?
310. # [04:34] <tw2113> that their display is 2px off
311. # [04:34] <uf0> oooh.. sorry was slow on that one
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313. # [04:35] <danbeam> tw2113: how would you mess with their monitor to make just one part of a design off by 2px?
314. # [04:36] <tw2113> either having them physically move it or move the on screen display horizontally
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321. # [05:07] <tw2113> dang http://media02.hongkiat.com/css3-seach-box/demo/index.html
322. # [05:07] <WILDbot> Title: CSS3 Search Field (at media02.hongkiat.com)
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329. # [05:16] <uf0> wow nice
330. # [05:16] * paul_irish_ is now known as paul_irish
331. # [05:17] <uf0> the power of box-shadow
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334. # [05:28] <miketaylr> that's hawt
335. # [05:28] <paul_irish> THIS IS TERRIBLE
336. # [05:29] <miketaylr> wat
337. # [05:33] <paul_irish> jkjk <3z
338. # [05:34] <miketaylr> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1236&bih=668&q=WHOIS+WILDbot+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&;oq=
339. # [05:34] <WILDbot> Title: WHOIS WILDbot - Google Search (at www.google.com)
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341. # [05:37] <paul_irish> seemingly run by http://wildcog.com/
342. # [05:37] <WILDbot> Title: Wildcog brings you talent. Its like recruiting but not as lame. (at wildcog.com)
343. # [05:38] <paul_irish> imma telling the dudes in #wildcog to get them out
344. # [05:38] <paul_irish> http://wildcog.com/2011/04/26/dear-github-were-sorry/
345. # [05:38] <WILDbot> Title: Dear Github, were sorry. | (at wildcog.com)
346. # [05:39] <miketaylr> :/
347. # [05:39] <paul_irish> Sweet. lets go introduce ourselves to another community by pissing them off
348. # [05:39] <paul_irish> :\
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355. # [06:02] <danbeam> P.S. WILDbot is run by a group of recruiters =O
356. # [06:02] <miketaylr> D:
357. # [06:03] <paul_irish> yup
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360. # [06:03] <paul_irish> the intention was that it would post a job position link every hour or two
361. # [06:03] <WILDsharustar> I'm sorry about that guys
362. # [06:03] <WILDsharustar> thank you to paul for jusifying the true purpose of it.
363. # [06:04] <paul_irish> no worries
364. # [06:04] <WILDsharustar> I understand your feelings about "recruiters"
365. # [06:04] <WILDsharustar> I use to use Gamesurge. I'm not frequent with freenode yet.
366. # [06:05] <WILDsharustar> but it's nice to be amongest you guys.
367. # [06:05] <miketaylr> hi WILDsharustar
368. # [06:05] <WILDsharustar> hey mike
369. # [06:06] <WILDsharustar> you can shorten it to sharu :)
370. # [06:06] <WILDsharustar> less typing :)
371. # [06:06] <miketaylr> nah, i just type W and hit tab
372. # [06:06] <miketaylr> and it autocompletes
373. # [06:06] <miketaylr> :)
374. # [06:06] <WILDsharustar> ;)
375. # [06:07] <WILDsharustar> picks up the very last person who types?
376. # [06:08] <miketaylr> so like, are you gonna kill the bot?
377. # [06:08] <WILDsharustar> No, I'm going to learn about the bot tomorrow
378. # [06:08] <WILDsharustar> learn its trigger commands etc
379. # [06:09] <miketaylr> it's kind of annoying already, when you post a link
380. # [06:09] <WILDsharustar> ben, was nice enough to help us out, and get it done in like 45 mins
381. # [06:09] <WILDsharustar> it's kicked out of #html5 i parted it 10 mins ago
382. # [06:09] <miketaylr> oic
383. # [06:09] <WILDsharustar> ^ up above :)
384. # [06:10] <WILDsharustar> he saved my boss time, cause it would have taken like 2 hrs for him to set it up :) its been along time since he's done work on irc etc.
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387. # [06:26] <danbeam> WILDsharustar: is it information gathering as well as dispersing?
388. # [06:26] <danbeam> WILDsharustar: the bot?
389. # [06:28] <danbeam> miketaylr: how do I fucking make Opera 10.* stay as Opera 10.*?!?!
390. # [06:28] <miketaylr> you mean not autoupdate?
391. # [06:28] <danbeam> miketaylr: I have Opera 11 on another box
392. # [06:28] <danbeam> yeah
393. # [06:28] <miketaylr> one sec
394. # [06:28] <danbeam> I want to run Opera 8-11, but 10 keeps upgrading to 11
395. # [06:28] <danbeam> fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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397. # [06:29] * danbeam 's desire to support Opera is waning
398. # [06:29] <miketaylr> dude, don't even worry about Opera 8
399. # [06:30] <miketaylr> there's like 4 users
400. # [06:30] <danbeam> lol, that's not the problem though
401. # [06:30] <danbeam> Opera 10 is
402. # [06:30] <miketaylr> danbeam: prefs advanced security -> do not check for updates
403. # [06:30] <danbeam> bitchin
404. # [06:30] <danbeam> I'll do that, right after I UNINSTALL FOR THE 5TH TIME
405. # [06:30] <danbeam> gar
406. # [06:30] <danbeam> </rant>
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408. # [06:31] <miketaylr> RAGE
409. # [06:31] <danbeam> I'm testing script mime-types atm - http://danbeam.org/script-test/
410. # [06:31] <miketaylr> oh sweet
411. # [06:32] <danbeam> and I'm nice enough to test browsers that nobody uses, :P jk <3 (at least 30% of USSR)
412. # [06:32] <miketaylr> hahaaha
413. # [06:32] * danbeam thinks that in Soviet Russia, Opera uses you
414. # [06:32] <miketaylr> heyoo
415. # [06:32] <danbeam> yeah, gonna blog about my findings
416. # [06:33] <danbeam> (never thought I'd use blog casually as a verb, but times are changing...)
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425. # [06:44] <bburhans> paul_irish: that wasn't my bot at all, but I guess the owner (sharu) took care of it...?
426. # [06:44] <danbeam> bent: Y U NO REBECCA BLACK NO MOAR?
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429. # [06:49] <tw2113> is it just me, or is rgba on border colors slightly buggy?
430. # [06:55] <tw2113> i'll just do box shadow instead
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459. # [08:13] <grantg> Anyone know about LSDJ?
460. # [08:13] <bot-t> (5 hours 37 mins ago) <nimbupani> tell grantg paul asked me to tell you… run Chrome with --js-flags="--trace-opt --trace-bailout --trace-deopt" and v8 will tell you when you get kicked off the fast path
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483. # [09:09] <paul_irish> :)
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485. # [09:13] <danbeam> :D
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487. # [09:15] <tw2113> /:-*
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492. # [09:20] <snover> 8-O
493. # [09:20] <danbeam> snover, paul_irish http://danbeam.org/blog/2011/05/06/script-not-a-type-ical-tag/ <-- would you find this useful / anything wrong with it?
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498. # [09:26] <snover> danbeam: your header is all over your content
499. # [09:27] <danbeam> snover: you mean the webfont?
500. # [09:27] <snover> i mean the picture of a row of trees
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502. # [09:27] <danbeam> snover: the picture of a row of trees?!
503. # [09:28] <snover> http://danbeam.org/blog/wp-content/themes/twentyten/images/headers/path.jpg
504. # [09:28] <snover> you can’t just comment out comments by removing the closing >
505. # [09:28] <danbeam> snover: oh, fuck that
506. # [09:28] <snover> Firefox 3.6- will puke on you
507. # [09:28] <snover> because -- inside an sgml comment means something else
508. # [09:28] <danbeam> snover: lame, OK, Firefox 3.6?
509. # [09:29] <danbeam> snover: ok, I see
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511. # [09:29] <danbeam> damn, working in Chrome, but hadn't tried the layout of my new blog anywhere else yet
512. # [09:30] <danbeam> snover: aw fuck it looks way different
513. # [09:30] <danbeam> damn
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515. # [09:31] <danbeam> snover: text is totally messed up as well, damnit
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519. # [09:37] <paul_irish> nice posttttt
520. # [09:39] <danbeam> paul_irish: like, for realz?
521. # [09:39] * danbeam is not sure if his fragile ego can take a "jk lolz u suk"
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523. # [09:39] * danbeam is just kidding
524. # [09:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: it was obivously in regard to what we were talking about
525. # [09:40] <paul_irish> danbeam: better question
526. # [09:40] <paul_irish> why not serve js with text/javascript
527. # [09:40] <paul_irish> less bytes!
528. # [09:40] <danbeam> yeah, but
529. # [09:40] <danbeam> I did think about that, but
530. # [09:41] <danbeam> it's a informational standard proposition
531. # [09:41] <danbeam> and I <3 standars
532. # [09:41] <danbeam> standards*
533. # [09:42] <danbeam> but I know pretty much everyone elses' stance on it - fuck 'em
534. # [09:42] <danbeam> haha
535. # [09:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: so any feedback other than that?
536. # [09:46] <paul_irish> heh well
537. # [09:46] <paul_irish> there is a usecase of zomg/totally-fake
538. # [09:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: which is...
539. # [09:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: harmony?
540. # [09:46] <paul_irish> many people use text/template as a way of storing text for their js templating
541. # [09:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: ok
542. # [09:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: but that *shouldn't* execute
543. # [09:46] <paul_irish> but.. your research validates that that is safe
544. # [09:47] <danbeam> paul_irish: right?
545. # [09:47] <paul_irish> yup!
546. # [09:47] <danbeam> yeah
547. # [09:47] <danbeam> kewl
548. # [09:47] <paul_irish> i like it
549. # [09:47] <paul_irish> <3 research
550. # [09:47] <paul_irish> not enough people do research
551. # [09:47] <danbeam> yay!
552. # [09:47] <danbeam> yeah, well, I figured I have a GD browser lab here I set up
553. # [09:47] <danbeam> might as well use it
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555. # [09:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: another use case I thought of a while back for deferred or non-executable loading
556. # [09:48] <paul_irish> yup
557. # [09:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: is that you could more easily do async stuff with it
558. # [09:48] <paul_irish> lazy parsing and eval
559. # [09:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: <script src="blah">alert("I'm done now!");</script>
560. # [09:49] <danbeam> yeah, pretty much
561. # [09:49] <paul_irish> ?g ejohn degrading script tags
562. # [09:49] <danbeam> damn it
563. # [09:49] <paul_irish> omg botty
564. # [09:49] <danbeam> yeah, lame, wtf
565. # [09:50] <danbeam> http://ejohn.org/blog/degrading-script-tags/
566. # [09:50] <danbeam> iono about his article
567. # [09:50] <danbeam> I mean, he is John Resig, but
568. # [09:50] <danbeam> I wasn't able to get the innerHTML of script tags with src's the other day
569. # [09:50] <danbeam> in Opera
570. # [09:51] <danbeam> I'd have to try again
571. # [09:51] <paul_irish> .textContent || .innerText maybe
572. # [09:51] <danbeam> yeah, I know that trick
573. # [09:51] <danbeam> think I did it
574. # [09:51] <paul_irish> also i think scriptelem.text even
575. # [09:51] <danbeam> or firstChild.data I think
576. # [09:51] <danbeam> there's alotta options
577. # [09:52] <paul_irish> DOMMMMM
578. # [09:52] <danbeam> not sure how many worked - think 0 in Opera
579. # [09:52] <danbeam> but I believe him
580. # [09:52] <danbeam> it's a cool idea though
581. # [09:54] <danbeam> also, eval is gross - I just did the Google Analytics hack of injecting a <script> with innerHTML before the one you're in
582. # [09:54] <danbeam> but maybe it doesn't matter a ton...but eval fucks shit up
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586. # [10:10] <tw2113> wtf "reality check: 90% of webservers online are MS"
587. # [10:10] <danbeam> no
588. # [10:11] <danbeam> so wrong
589. # [10:11] <danbeam> https://twitter.com/#!/danbeam/status/66413777272324096 also this
590. # [10:11] <danbeam> damn, bots are all dead
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596. # [10:20] <tw2113> danbeam i found this link to shut the quoted up http://trends.builtwith.com/Web-Server
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598. # [10:25] <danbeam> tw2113: yeah dude, no fucking chance, IIS blows and isn't nearly as popular as open source alternatives like Apache, lighttpd, nginx, etc.
599. # [10:25] <ChrisBuchholz> How come when i have a canvas with attribute height=600, and clientHeight returns 600, when i measure it with e.g. photoshop, its 603, and also, drawing at e.g. x=600,y=0 is 3 pixels from the border of the canvas? Does the canvas element has some extra something? The canvas has no border, margin and padding.
600. # [10:26] <danbeam> ChrisBuchholz: strange, dude
601. # [10:27] <danbeam> ChrisBuchholz: change the background color of both the canvas and page
602. # [10:27] <danbeam> ChrisBuchholz: *really* make sure there's margin:0;padding:0;border:0; on that canvas
603. # [10:27] <danbeam> ChrisBuchholz: ???
604. # [10:27] <danbeam> ChrisBuchholz: PROFIT!
605. # [10:28] <ChrisBuchholz> hmm, it seems to fit with the colors. Wait a second
606. # [10:29] <ChrisBuchholz> danbeam: lol. It seemed to actually be whitespace causing a gap between canvas and wrapper
607. # [10:29] <ChrisBuchholz> thanks mate
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609. # [10:29] <tw2113> damn whites..paces
610. # [10:30] <tw2113> *grin*
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658. # [14:21] <stenno> hey, is there a quick and clean way to clear a canvas in safariMobile? canvas.width = canvas.width; does not work ...
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660. # [14:24] <stenno> nevermind, just found clearRect()
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681. # [15:18] <ravenz_> hello
682. # [15:18] <ravenz_> is there a way to play flv videos thanks to html5?
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688. # [15:24] <stenno> ravenz_, no, the only types supported by the browsers are ogg, mp4 and h264
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690. # [15:24] <ravenz_> :°
691. # [15:24] <ravenz_> i see
692. # [15:24] <stenno> you need flash in order to play flv
693. # [15:24] <ravenz_> so there is no way to play flvs on iphone/pad?
694. # [15:24] <stenno> yes
695. # [15:25] <ravenz_> i mean in a webpage
696. # [15:25] <stenno> as there is no flash plugin for safari mobile
697. # [15:25] <stenno> yes
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763. # [17:31] <paul_irish> http://ielint.com/
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765. # [17:34] <Jon47> does it always report "your internets are broken"
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767. # [17:35] <grantg> can haz internetz? denied.
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769. # [17:37] <paul_irish> basically
770. # [17:37] <paul_irish> :)
771. # [17:38] <grantg> so apparently it's 80's music day today
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773. # [17:40] <grantg> Scumbag IE9 supports WAV PCM with <bgsound>, but doesn't with <audio> ... Can not get over this
774. # [17:40] <grantg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5_Media%29#Audio_format_support
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776. # [17:42] <grantg> http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmltags/p/bltags_bgsound.htm
777. # [17:43] <grantg> MicroSoft: Y U drop a good legacy audio codec?
778. # [17:43] <grantg> Quirks mode is needed to access the "hidden" codec properly
779. # [17:43] <grantg> throw it into IE7 mode...
780. # [17:43] <grantg> :(
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782. # [17:44] <grantg> paul_irish: Why do you think they did that?
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784. # [17:45] <grantg> Dropped WAV codec support for the newer <audio> html5 element while keeping it for the bgsound element in the same rendering engine.
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834. # [18:41] <ggalitz> paul_irish: A glitch in the Reddit matrix: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/h5pfr/how_the_hell_does_this_happen/
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868. # [19:21] <ggalitz> reddit is in "emergency read-only mode" right now. :( you won't be able to log in. we're sorry, and are working frantically to fix the problem.
869. # [19:21] <ggalitz> not again. 8(
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872. # [19:24] <tw2113> must be a day that starts in a letter ggalitz
873. # [19:24] <ggalitz> My reddit inception incident might have caused damage. :/
874. # [19:26] <tw2113> or it heard i woke up
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908. # [20:08] <shichuan> hi mike, what's bot-t?
909. # [20:09] <shichuan> is it a role in IRC?
910. # [20:09] <miketaylr> oh, the bot that's normally in here
911. # [20:09] <miketaylr> but he's gone now :(
912. # [20:09] <miketaylr> just missed him is all
913. # [20:10] <shichuan> so bot-t is an actual person?
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933. # [20:42] <HAITI> on boilerplate website and a random youtube video started playing? I cant turn it off hehe
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935. # [20:43] <WILDsharustar> HI HAITI
936. # [20:43] <moo-_-> trololo
937. # [20:43] <WILDsharustar> -_-
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943. # [20:43] <HAITI> =)
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973. # [21:49] <paul_irish> nimbupaniiiiii http://jerryseinfeld.com/
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975. # [21:51] <I_TOLD_YOU_DOG> !
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978. # [21:55] <I_TOLD_YOU_DOG> :/ </I_TOLD_YOU_DOG>
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998. # [22:20] <Misiur> It's impossible to get linear gradient with stop on < IE9? SVG bg fails, css3pie works, but without stop...
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1000. # [22:26] <tw2113> they're probably candidates for gradient images or flat color areas
1001. # [22:29] * danbeam_ is now known as danbeam
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1003. # [22:34] <danbeam> paul_irish: you talking at I/O?
1004. # [22:35] <paul_irish> of coures
1005. # [22:35] <danbeam> which one?
1006. # [22:35] <danbeam> or what about?
1007. # [22:35] <danbeam> (I'm going to Santa Monica one, would assume you're at San Fran. one...)
1008. # [22:35] <paul_irish> sf. devtools
1009. # [22:36] <danbeam> cool
1010. # [22:36] <danbeam> same talk as at JSConf?
1011. # [22:36] <danbeam> (but without your laptop dying in the middle this time, :P?)
1012. # [22:37] <BrianBlakely> Misiur: Yeah, no stops in IE<9
1013. # [22:39] <Misiur> Damn. Images then :c
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1015. # [22:39] <tw2113> IE...always the last thing to get cool shit
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1017. # [22:40] <danbeam> hey bot-t
1018. # [22:40] <bot-t> Hey danbeam
1019. # [22:40] <BrianBlakely> Misiur: http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
1020. # [22:40] <Misiur> I had problems with opera and rounded corners + background gradient (bleeding bg), but there at least SVG works correctly
1021. # [22:40] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: <3 <3 <3
1022. # [22:40] <Misiur> BrianBlakely: Thanks
1023. # [22:40] <BrianBlakely> Nice code generator, with an IE preview mode
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1026. # [22:40] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Right back atcha
1027. # [22:41] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: the dude that made that is sitting 10 feet from me, lol
1028. # [22:41] <BrianBlakely> lolz
1029. # [22:41] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: smart fucking dude
1030. # [22:41] <BrianBlakely> Tell him "thank you for upgrading this twice in one month"
1031. # [22:41] <BrianBlakely> :)
1032. # [22:41] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: it's been more than that, you just haven't noticed, ;)
1033. # [22:41] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: but I will
1034. # [22:41] <BrianBlakely> Truth
1035. # [22:42] <|||||||||> Never been to a jsconf
1036. # [22:42] <|||||||||> Do people learn much from these?
1037. # [22:42] <danbeam> |||||||||: missin out
1038. # [22:42] <danbeam> |||||||||: sure, I did
1039. # [22:42] <danbeam> |||||||||: I learned not to Firesheep at conferences with network security guys that run it
1040. # [22:42] <danbeam> |||||||||: also, your name is fucking weird
1041. # [22:43] * ||||||||| 's nick is slowly killing every sane person on freenode
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1043. # [22:43] <|||||||||> xD
1044. # [22:43] <|||||||||> guess who?
1045. # [22:43] <tw2113> it's not google friendly
1046. # [22:43] <danbeam> |||||||||: miketaylr
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1048. # [22:43] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Dude, actually, can you request an "opacity" modifier for stop colors for me? :)
1049. # [22:43] <danbeam> oh
1050. # [22:43] <danbeam> nvm
1051. # [22:43] <Misiur> unfortunately, IE doesn't like pie rounded corners and progid gradient at the same time
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1053. # [22:43] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: what do you mean?
1054. # [22:43] <grantg> :P
1055. # [22:44] <danbeam> Misiur: what do you mean as well?
1056. # [22:44] <miketaylr> wat
1057. # [22:44] <danbeam> miketaylr: thought you were |||||||||||
1058. # [22:44] <miketaylr> haha
1059. # [22:44] <danbeam> but didn't run /names
1060. # [22:44] <danbeam> d'oh
1061. # [22:44] <grantg> I snagged that nick
1062. # [22:44] <danbeam> matjas: I'm adding more test cases to that script article I wrote
1063. # [22:45] <danbeam> matjas: right now
1064. # [22:45] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: All browsers have support for RGBa in their gradients, even IE<10
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1066. # [22:45] <danbeam> matjas: btw
1067. # [22:45] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: But you can't set the opacity of your stop colors
1068. # [22:45] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: do you know how to use hex?
1069. # [22:45] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: It always generates "rgba(XXX,XXX,XXX,1)"
1070. # [22:45] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: or divide by 255?
1071. # [22:46] * paul_irish is now known as paul_irish_
1072. # [22:46] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: I'm sorry?
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1074. # [22:47] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: I'm just saying it would be cool to have a field in the pop-up panel for opacity, as well as HSL/RGB/Hex
1075. # [22:47] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: So I don't have to go in and tweak it 25 times in the generated code
1076. # [22:48] <BrianBlakely> Changing "1" to "0.5" and the like
1077. # [22:50] <BrianBlakely> Make sense?
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1082. # [22:55] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: yes
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1086. # [22:55] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: I'll pass the word along, but the gist so far has been "if you give a developer a tool, he'll what a toolbag" (to paraphrase the title of the famous novel)
1087. # [22:55] <shichuan> danbeam: that's hawt. is it open source?
1088. # [22:56] <shichuan> danbeam, i mean Ultimate CSS Gradient Generator
1089. # [22:58] <danbeam> shichuan: don't think so, at least not yet
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1093. # [23:02] <shichuan> i see, sooner or later someone's gonna make an adobe suite using html5
1094. # [23:02] <shichuan> the world is getting better and better
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1103. # [23:14] <HektoR> hello guys... is it possible to play RTMP streaming with html5 ?
1104. # [23:15] <WILDsharustar> http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/forums/jw-player/setup-issues-and-embedding/18960/55-player-rtmp-with-shadowbox-and-html5-fallback
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1113. # [23:34] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: It's a pretty simple request :P Throw it in Github and I'll do it myself!
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1121. # [23:43] <WILDsharustar> I don't know much about html5, but how long do you think it will take before we start seeing games with decent 3d engines inside of our broswers? almost like counter strike 1.6
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1127. # [23:45] <WILDsharustar> maybe a couple years?
1128. # [23:45] <WILDsharustar> at most
1129. # [23:45] <WILDsharustar> ?
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1135. # [23:51] <Ms2ger> The future is now
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