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# Session Start: Wed May 11 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:02] <vier> bot-t: am I your friend?
# [00:02] <bot-t> vier, It is decidedly so.
# [00:03] <vier> lol
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# [00:23] <vier> html5 - what would be an open source project to develop which would benefit the community?
# [00:23] <vier> i need to start making a github repo
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# [00:34] <tw2113> robhawkes both re: classical music tweet
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# [00:36] <flavioribeiro> hi, i'm facing a really strange situation. Using <video> tag, and these two videos (flavioribeiro.com/vids.tar.gz) i can play one, and can't the other. The video played is the example shown in http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_video_simple, but using gstreamer to know video info (codecs, bitrates, etc) everything seems to be equal
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# [00:40] <jetienne> window update triggered during webgl google io, so talk interrupted :) http://youtu.be/rfQ8rKGTVlg
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# [03:06] <grantg> Who here remembers this? http://homestarrunner.com/newintro.swf
# [03:07] <grantg> paul_irish: Someone needs to convert that site to SVG+HTML5
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# [03:14] <miketaylr> grantg: http://smokescreen.us/demo/
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# [03:14] <grantg> miketaylr: FULL CIRCLE
# [03:14] <miketaylr> :D
# [03:14] <grantg> HELLA YES
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# [03:22] <grantg> LIFE COMPLETE
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# [04:22] <grantg> miketaylr: Does smokescreen emulate the sound sample writing of flash?
# [04:23] <grantg> for the realtime synthesis flash apps
# [04:24] <voogzy> can anyone tell me a good and working multifile upload script or plugin? is uploadify any good?
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# [04:31] <grantg> also, what ever happened to https://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon ?
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# [04:36] <danbeam> grantg: Tobias lost interest, AFAIK
# [04:36] <grantg> k
# [04:37] <danbeam> grantg: AS3 support would've sucked and Adobe made a cross-compiler, I thought...
# [04:37] <grantg> true
# [04:38] <danbeam> grantg: my friend starting add stuff to it, but it's a real bitch
# [04:39] <grantg> I wonder how well the bytecode for scripting would run in an interpreter built in JS
# [04:39] <grantg> probably can be easily jit'd
# [04:39] <danbeam> https://github.com/theturtle32/gordon/compare/master
# [04:40] <danbeam> I don't know flash but he said that's a really small part of AS3
# [04:44] <grantg> But anyhow AS3 should be fully JITt'able
# [04:45] <grantg> so you can create js functions out of it
# [04:45] <grantg> and then inline the js
# [04:45] <grantg> you'd put guards for typing
# [04:45] <grantg> but not too crazy
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# [04:47] <sth_> Hey guys, I have a quick brainteaser. Decided to dive head first into html5 markup and want to convert my posterous theme to html5
# [04:48] <sth_> I can't for the life of me figure out how to correctly align text to the right of an image using correct html5 markup
# [04:49] <sth_> and I can't seem to find anything substantial on google.
# [04:49] <sth_> Anybody want to give it a go?
# [04:53] <ryanseddon> that would be css
# [04:56] <grantg> http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/duke-nukem-forever-pre-order-receipt-slash-000.jpg
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# [04:58] <cirwin> how do I tell if .postMessage fails? It seems to just log an error to the console rather than raising an exception
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# [05:05] <grantg> also
# [05:05] <grantg> danbeam: What about AS1 and AS2 back-compat?
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# [05:05] <grantg> tw2113: heya
# [05:06] <tw2113> hot damn, sometimes i really love freelance work
# [05:06] <tw2113> I got to make a website that worked pretty much out of the box on all browsers, earned $40 for an hour or two of time, and got to drink during the process
# [05:07] <tw2113> the site even worked in OPERA
# [05:07] <tw2113> *gasp shock awe*
# [05:07] <grantg> even?
# [05:07] <tw2113> :D
# [05:08] <grantg> You mean you're less likely to have it work in opera than IE 8?
# [05:08] <tw2113> i just like to tease Opera a little
# [05:08] <grantg> heh
# [05:08] <tw2113> they have a small...............market share
# [05:08] <grantg> remember, IE8 still has its own stupid alpha filter to do opacity
# [05:09] <tw2113> you give IE opacity?
# [05:09] <tw2113> freak
# [05:09] <grantg> It's only IE9 that happens to be the first IE that has that prop
# [05:09] <tw2113> you give IE opacity?
# [05:09] <tw2113> let them get opaque
# [05:09] <grantg> what?
# [05:10] <tw2113> :D
# [05:10] <grantg> If you do it right you can do opacity in IE 5.5 as well
# [05:10] <grantg> haters gonna hate that
# [05:10] <tw2113> IE users don't need these alphafilters
# [05:11] <grantg> Sir, the web developer wants to apply the alpha filter to the site.
# [05:11] <grantg> ZOOM FIX EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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# [05:11] <tw2113> <------this developer doesn't
# [05:11] <grantg> :P
# [05:11] <tw2113> :D
# [05:12] <grantg> that's exactly how it feels though
# [05:12] <grantg> cause it's true. :O
# [05:13] <grantg> IE8 won't care, but you'll need it for IE6 and a hella lot in IE 5.5
# [05:13] <grantg> maybe even IE7
# [05:13] <tw2113> opacity filters?
# [05:13] <grantg> yeah
# [05:13] <grantg> opacity lol
# [05:13] <tw2113> opaque *points to palm for needless emphasis*
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# [05:14] <grantg> because IE won't apply it unless that retarded property is misused.
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# [05:14] <tw2113> it won't apply it at all if i don't use the alphafilter :D
# [05:15] <grantg> heh
# [05:15] <grantg> also
# [05:15] <tw2113> tweak the design so IE people don't even realize that others are getting semi-transparency
# [05:15] <grantg> stay the *hell* away from the drop shadow filter in IE
# [05:15] <tw2113> although
# [05:15] <tw2113> if i recall right from my myspace days
# [05:15] <grantg> it renders differently between IE7 and IE8
# [05:15] <tw2113> that alphatransparency filter thing runs up peoples processor
# [05:15] <tw2113> and if they're using IE...they should get that
# [05:15] <grantg> and it fucks up the rendering of margins and paddings in general
# [05:16] <tw2113> drop shadows are also detail touches that don't need to be done for everyone
# [05:16] <grantg> the dropshadow filter in IE throws a monkey wrench into the engine.
# [05:16] <tw2113> so do monkeys from what i heard
# [05:16] <grantg> trident busts a nut and doubles some margins
# [05:16] <tw2113> ones that go "developers developers developers"
# [05:16] <grantg> even in IE8
# [05:17] <grantg> also
# [05:17] <tw2113> see how these details are just a hair pulling headache that aren't needed for dinobrowser?
# [05:17] <grantg> IE8 can't do absolute positioning right in some cases
# [05:17] <grantg> even though it passes acid 2
# [05:17] <grantg> they fail on some cases
# [05:17] <tw2113> to be fair to the site mentioned earlier, it was insanely basic
# [05:18] <tw2113> thus why i had no need to fix anything
# [05:18] <tw2113> some microsite
# [05:18] <tw2113> 3 pages
# [05:18] <grantg> throw some relative positioning in there and IE busts a nut as well
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# [05:18] <grantg> when mixed
# [05:18] <tw2113> jeez, IE sure likes to unload a lot
# [05:18] <grantg> for abs + rel
# [05:19] <grantg> also
# [05:19] <tw2113> grantg can you sing Sly and the Family Stone?
# [05:19] <grantg> on my site I remember having to do CSS hacks to make sure IE didn't hide text and cause complete graphics rendering trash all over
# [05:20] <grantg> like there'd be a gaping hole right in the middle of an opaque element
# [05:20] <grantg> where a filter was applied to the element in general
# [05:20] <grantg> and a z-index + adding *another* filter would fix it
# [05:21] <grantg> to trick the misrendering into rendering again
# [05:21] <tw2113> you see, here's the overall problem
# [05:21] <tw2113> you care too much about IE users
# [05:21] <grantg> IE sux
# [05:21] <grantg> heh
# [05:21] <grantg> because people have come up to me sayin' "it ain't "broke"
# [05:22] <tw2113> anyways, back to important things at han
# [05:22] <tw2113> hand*
# [05:22] <tw2113> can you sing sly and the family stone?
# [05:22] <grantg> no
# [05:22] <grantg> that's important?
# [05:22] <tw2113> well....you'd be a lot cooler if you coud </wooderson>
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# [11:15] <Zeddy> does anyone know of any online website which can take an image with any size, and resize it to say 450px * 450px while constarining porportions and just adding a canvas color to the background?
# [11:15] <Zeddy> im building a webshop and really need a simple way for my customer to resize the images
# [11:15] <phrearch> Zeddy: use canvas?
# [11:16] <phrearch> or some backend that does the resizing
# [11:16] <phrearch> like imagick/pil
# [11:16] <digitalfiz> backend would probably be better then canvas
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# [11:22] <phrearch> yea indeed
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# [11:25] <phrearch> hm, now i removed all these useless fadeins from my app, it feels a lot more responsive
# [11:25] <phrearch> just making it optional, in case it gets faster at some point :-)
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# [13:49] <phrearch> hey
# [13:49] <phrearch> im trying my html5 app in firefox for the first time, and it seem to have some issue with the history api
# [13:49] <phrearch> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Not enough arguments" nsresult: "0x80570001 (NS_ERROR_XPC_NOT_ENOUGH_ARGS)" location: "JS frame :: http://192.168.1.101/media/scripts/modules/ui.js :: bind_events :: line 74" data: no]
# [13:49] <phrearch> any idea?
# [13:49] <phrearch> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386833/
# [13:51] <jovrtn> taking a peek
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# [13:54] <phrearch> example site running at http://hwios.org/
# [13:54] <phrearch> was only tested with chromium before
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# [14:00] <jovrtn> phrearch: try adding }, false); to the end of your event listener
# [14:00] <jovrtn> instead of });
# [14:01] <phrearch> jovrtn: hey that worked! thanks
# [14:01] <jovrtn> sure thing
# [14:01] <jovrtn> firefox is cranky with params for these new apis
# [14:01] <jovrtn> lots of nulls and falses everywhere to keep them happy
# [14:01] <phrearch> yea seems like it
# [14:02] <phrearch> seems like ff4 has a big speed increase
# [14:03] <phrearch> enabled websockets in about:config. most of it kinda works
# [14:03] <jovrtn> i haven't used it much, after chrome everything feels bloated heh
# [14:04] <phrearch> yea, thats why i devved on chrome only. want to make it ff compatible now. seems like they did a good job on ff4
# [14:05] <jovrtn> nice
# [14:05] <jovrtn> i'm just happy we get to drop a few -moz prefixes
# [14:06] <phrearch> painting on canvas doesnt seem to stick on the ff canvas though
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# [14:06] <phrearch> ah yea that would be better. same css for all browsers
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# [14:13] <shichuan> anybody tried http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cssregions.html?
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# [14:41] <phrearch> hm, is there a common css property(ff+webkit) for http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386865/ ?
# [14:44] <moo-_-> haha https://twitter.com/#!/nunomaia/status/68293402688630784
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# [14:55] <phrearch> does mozilla support color-stops in gradients?
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# [15:09] <moo-_-> phrearch: don't remember how but have been using them
# [15:10] <phrearch> moo-_-: got it
# [15:10] <phrearch> something like http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386885/
# [15:10] <moo-_-> phrearch: looks familiar
# [15:10] <moo-_-> if oyu want the authoritative source go to mozilla docs center
# [15:11] <moo-_-> or was it developer center
# [15:11] <moo-_-> mdc in any case
# [15:11] <phrearch> yea, they have some good docs
# [15:12] <phrearch> annoying that webkit and gecko dont use the same css syntax
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# [15:25] <moo-_-> maybe
# [15:25] <moo-_-> something has beenchanged
# [15:25] <phrearch> ah good
# [15:26] <phrearch> will spare some redundant css
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# [16:16] <shichuan> nimbupani paul_irish: i think there are a couple of bug issues we can close
# [16:16] <shichuan> https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/406
# [16:16] <nimbupani> yeah we should
# [16:16] <nimbupani> we have another one coming up with MQ stuff
# [16:16] <nimbupani> closed
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# [16:18] <shichuan> hwo about this one? https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/415
# [16:19] <shichuan> do we need more discussion?
# [16:19] <nimbupani> no just need to add 700
# [16:20] <shichuan> so u mean you think we should change to 700?
# [16:20] <nimbupani> yeah
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# [16:21] <shichuan> but from your comment, it seems you think it's not much difference?
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# [16:47] <jonpacker> is there any way to get an <img> to behave like background-size:cover?
# [16:48] <nimbupani> ?g dev.opera object-size-fit @ jonpacker
# [16:48] <bot-t> jonpacker, The CSS3 object-fit and object-position properties - Dev.Opera - http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/css3-object-fit-object-position/
# [16:48] <jonpacker> nimbupani: cheers! bonus points for dev.opera ;)
# [16:49] <nimbupani> :)
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# [18:17] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: what chan do you guys primarily discuss H5BP?
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# [18:18] <nimbupani> JonathanNeal: this is good
# [18:18] <JonathanNeal> What's this mobile first approach stuff.
# [18:18] <shichuan> jon, long time no see
# [18:18] <JonathanNeal> Are you guys using @media queries?
# [18:18] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: yea.
# [18:18] <nimbupani> JonathanNeal: yeah
# [18:18] <JonathanNeal> I've been seeing these developments via email and I wanna know all about it.
# [18:19] <JonathanNeal> I really don't think media queries are hot.
# [18:19] <JonathanNeal> I think my approach and even jquery mobile's aproach with the classnames are better.
# [18:20] <shichuan> we currently have a mobile bp and main bp
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# [18:20] <shichuan> yea, i remember long long time ago you showd a js approach as gist
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# [18:20] <shichuan> *shown
# [18:21] <shichuan> do you still have that example?
# [18:21] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: yes, and I think jquery mobile now does something like it. let me pull up what I had.
# [18:22] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: https://github.com/jonathantneal/gridquery/blob/master/gridquery.js
# [18:22] <shichuan> i can open an issue in github to discuss this
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# [18:23] <JonathanNeal> I know that's much more "grid"-centric, but it wouldn't take much to make it like you want it.
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# [18:23] <shichuan> i do face a few issues with css mq lately
# [18:23] <JonathanNeal> I was thinking of standardizing the classnames to 'desktop', 'tablet', 'handheld', and 'landscape', 'portrait'
# [18:24] <shichuan> cos currently using respond.js
# [18:24] <shichuan> but it get stripped out when using build tool
# [18:24] <JonathanNeal> shichuan, I face a lot of issues, especially as it pertains to sharing properties between @media's.
# [18:24] <JonathanNeal> which is why i went to the js approach.
# [18:25] <JonathanNeal> If you've not been following anything I've done lately, I've also been working on a reset alternative called normalize.css
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# [18:25] <JonathanNeal> https://github.com/jonathantneal/normalize.css
# [18:26] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: well, let's see what's the best to do, like backward compatibility is a real issue for mq
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# [18:27] <JonathanNeal> shichuan, another reason I like the js approach.
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# [18:29] <JonathanNeal> Let me see if I can pull up a demo of what I like about js querying.
# [18:29] <JonathanNeal> besides liferay.com
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# [18:34] <shichuan> https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/issues/36
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# [18:36] <shichuan> liferay is an ok demo right?
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# [18:37] <paul_irish> http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html
# [18:38] <JonathanNeal> it's an "ok" demo.
# [18:38] <JonathanNeal> It's not re-adjusting right on handheld landscape.
# [18:38] <paul_irish> shichuan: feel free to close whatever you like
# [18:38] <paul_irish> i'm slammed with google IO stuff right now
# [18:39] <shichuan> paul_irish: orh yea, the IO. yea, i am browsing through and see what we can close
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# [18:42] <tw2113> if i were to tune into the google event, i'd have to turn off my bitchin music
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# [18:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: what was the gift this year? tablets?
# [18:44] <paul_irish> ya
# [18:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: SO RIGHT
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# [18:44] <danbeam> paul_irish: cool
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# [18:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: you already present?
# [18:45] <paul_irish> today
# [18:45] <danbeam> paul_irish: cool, charge your battery, ;)
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# [18:46] <danbeam> paul_irish: (and good luck, not that you'd need it, you're not a n00b after all, :P)
# [18:46] <paul_irish> :)
# [18:47] <danbeam> paul_irish: I was too lazy to go to the Santa Monica extended I/O yesterday -- just isn't nearly as cool
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# [18:50] <zeitgeist> alotta fagina
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# [18:58] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: so maybe the part that needs to modify is the grid naming, like 4 col, 6 col
# [18:59] <tw2113> presenting anything paul_irish ?
# [18:59] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: exactly.
# [19:00] <JonathanNeal> I tried classnames like min-width-Xpx and max-width-Xpx but they still lack a certain usability.
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# [19:00] <JonathanNeal> It's hard when you want to program for a specific range, like between-Xpx-and-Xpx
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# [19:02] <JonathanNeal> I have thought perhaps something could be written up like tablet, handheld, landscape, portrait, etc.
# [19:03] <obert-> html5 is js at last then? :)
# [19:04] <obert-> heh
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# [19:08] <nimbupani> i hope you all voted http://www.happywebbies.com/webbie-madness/
# [19:08] <danbeam> tw2113: http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/sessions/chrome-dev-tools-reloaded.html
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# [19:09] <JonathanNeal> What is this, nimbupani?
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# [19:09] <nimbupani> some stupid popularity contest
# [19:09] <danbeam> nimbupani: who'd you vote for?
# [19:09] <danbeam> nimbupani: inb4 hellboy
# [19:10] <danbeam> nimbupani: ;)
# [19:10] <nimbupani> danbeam: if you hover, you would know
# [19:10] <tw2113> i think i have a couple hours danbeam i'm fairly certain that that's Pacific time
# [19:10] <nimbupani> hellboy is my fav comic character ever
# [19:10] <nimbupani> i ♥ Mike Mignola
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# [19:11] <danbeam> nimbupani: I hovered -- I still don't know. Do you like leaving easter eggs?
# [19:11] <nimbupani> danbeam: I am not on it!
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# [19:12] <danbeam> nimbupani: that's rough, were you before the final four?
# [19:13] <nimbupani> danbeam: I never participated
# [19:13] <nimbupani> i dont like these things
# [19:13] <danbeam> nimbupani: ah
# [19:13] <danbeam> nimbupani: ah
# [19:13] <nimbupani> but ahem someone we know does.
# [19:13] <JonathanNeal> I tried to vote for hellboy but it wouldn't let me
# [19:13] <nimbupani> you need to select one from optimus and whatever thats agains it
# [19:13] <JonathanNeal> Cast Your Votes was not selectable.
# [19:13] <JonathanNeal> oh
# [19:13] <danbeam> JonathanNeal: you have to click the participants
# [19:13] <JonathanNeal> well I hate swf so that's easy.
# [19:13] <danbeam> JonathanNeal: in each bracket
# [19:14] <danbeam> JonathanNeal: (that you'd think would win, obviously, :P)
# [19:14] <JonathanNeal> Yea.
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# [19:15] <JonathanNeal> shichuan, you there?
# [19:15] <JonathanNeal> I wanted to figure out a better way to do my javascript media query replacement.
# [19:15] <JonathanNeal> in @media how would one do a range?
# [19:16] <JonathanNeal> min-width-320px-and-max-width-479px ?
# [19:17] <JonathanNeal> if that's the classname equivilent of the media query, I think we could come up with something shorter and easier to use.
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# [19:36] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: sry, was away
# [19:36] <shichuan> i thought you use gt and lt now?
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# [19:40] <danbeam> free shit alert
# [19:40] <Michael> howdy
# [19:41] <danbeam> everyone at I/O gets a free Chrome netbook
# [19:41] <danbeam> gdi
# [19:41] <Michael> Really?
# [19:41] <Michael> Didn't I/O already happen?
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# [19:42] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: we can just use grid-gt320 etc right?
# [19:42] <danbeam> Michael: no, it's happening right now - second day keynote just finished
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# [19:42] <Michael> gotcha
# [19:42] <Michael> I was going to try and go.
# [19:43] <danbeam> Michael: with free shit 3 years in a row, good luck next year - probably will sell out in 30 min. next year (did in 59 this year)
# [19:43] <danbeam> gar
# [19:43] <Michael> danbeam, I work for Disney.
# [19:43] <danbeam> Michael: I'm sorry
# [19:44] <Michael> I'm not.
# [19:44] * danbeam was just kidding
# [19:44] <Michael> And we're working with Google a lot so I'm sure I could get a spot if I needed to
# [19:44] <danbeam> Michael: good luck, ;)
# [19:44] <danbeam> Michael: you work in Glendale or Burbank?
# [19:44] <Michael> I know at least a few people that are there including one of our directors
# [19:44] <Michael> Celebration FL
# [19:44] <danbeam> oh, I see
# [19:45] <Michael> Just outside the parks
# [19:45] <danbeam> Michael: yeah
# [19:45] <tw2113> or you could turn into ceiling cat and get in that way
# [19:45] <Michael> I would so love that
# [19:45] <danbeam> Michael: I interviewed with ABC a couple years ago, they chose other candidate
# [19:45] <Michael> Oh. Where is their studio?
# [19:45] <danbeam> Michael: now recruiters won't stop hitting me up because I work at Yahoo!
# [19:45] <Michael> heheh
# [19:46] <danbeam> Michael: the irony
# [19:46] <Michael> We just got an Andrew Harkavy from Yahoo! a few months ago. Does that name ring a bell?
# [19:46] <tw2113> danbeam has hits on him for working at yahoo?
# [19:46] <danbeam> tw2113: lol sure
# [19:46] <danbeam> Michael: no
# [19:46] <Michael> ah ok.
# [19:46] <shichuan> anyone uses pidgin here? it sucks
# [19:46] <danbeam> Michael: there is a bit of churn
# [19:46] <Michael> I do. I like it.
# [19:46] <danbeam> shichuan: it does kinda suck
# [19:46] <Michael> danbeam, We have so many departments besides ABC
# [19:46] <shichuan> i can't get the beep sound anymore, when ppl ping my name
# [19:46] <danbeam> shichuan: I liked it for a long time then I used bitlee <3 <3
# [19:46] <Michael> BASS, ESPON, Marvel, PArks and Resorts, Ticketing. The list is huge
# [19:46] <danbeam> shichuan: it's in prefs somewhere
# [19:46] <tw2113> i use pidgin just not for IRC
# [19:46] <Michael> ESPN rather
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# [19:47] <danbeam> Michael: yeah, I gotcha
# [19:47] <Michael> Oh I would never use pidgin for irc.
# [19:47] <danbeam> Michael: they've asked me about Resorts and Parks (have some friends that used to work there) and other things I don't remember
# [19:47] * Michael nods
# [19:47] <Michael> I work for WDPRO (Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Online)
# [19:47] <Michael> We have some of the best funding and teams.
# [19:47] <danbeam> Michael: the reason I politely decline every time is that Disney sounds cool but tech isn't their main focus
# [19:48] <Michael> Nope, not the 'main' focus
# [19:48] <JonathanNeal> Michael yay for disneyland :)
# [19:48] <danbeam> Michael: so it'd almost be like taking a step back from a tech company
# [19:48] <Michael> At WDPRO it is
# [19:48] <shichuan> danbeam: thanks for the hint, got it :)
# [19:48] <Michael> danbeam, WDPRO is pure tech
# [19:48] <danbeam> shichuan: I use irssi and bitlbee, but that's alot diff
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# [19:48] <JonathanNeal> Disney has gotten a lot better at tech recently. I think everyone agreed that go sucked.
# [19:48] <danbeam> shichuan: totally CLI, no beeps (well, when you run it in a screen you can get bells or bell flashes)
# [19:49] <JonathanNeal> My buddy Eric Dennis is doing stuff for them with online tech stuff too now.
# [19:49] <danbeam> Michael: cool
# [19:49] <Michael> danbeam, If you ever want an interview at PRO let me know. I've never been happier at a job personally
# [19:49] <Michael> EA Sports was pretty close
# [19:49] <shichuan> danbeam: arh, ok, cool, will try it out
# [19:49] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: i think the best way is to use bubbling up for mobile first js query
# [19:49] <danbeam> shichuan: you'd have to really like screen + irssi + IRC
# [19:50] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: describe?
# [19:50] <shichuan> we can use min320 min480 min800..
# [19:50] <Michael> JonathanNeal, go sucked?
# [19:50] <shichuan> like no need max-min
# [19:51] <JonathanNeal> Michael: go, yea
# [19:51] <Michael> go.com?
# [19:51] <Michael> How did it suck? All our sites still use it
# [19:52] <JonathanNeal> It used to be that go was the congested place you went to get subpar search results, and then shook your first because you missed infoseek, but then google came and saved us all.
# [19:52] <JonathanNeal> I'm extremely outdated in my opinions.
# [19:52] <Michael> Oh lol
# [19:52] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: like default for mobile, which is at least 320, and if you want it to render nicely on bigger screen also, you add .min480{...} .min800{...}
# [19:52] <Michael> Now it's just a random landing page
# [19:52] <Michael> We only use it as our top level domain
# [19:53] <Michael> Disney never acquired go with the intent of utilizing its search capabilities.
# [19:53] <JonathanNeal> Got it.
# [19:53] <JonathanNeal> But ... it was a search engine primarily?
# [19:53] <Michael> I think a long time ago yeah
# [19:54] <JonathanNeal> Yea, that was when I formed this opinion, as a teenager.
# [19:54] <Michael> Oh lol
# [19:54] <Michael> To be honest I have no idea why we use it for all our websites.
# [19:54] <Michael> You can still go to e.g. disneycruise.com, but it will redirect to the go.com address
# [19:55] <JonathanNeal> the "we" in "we all agreed" was a list of kids on a forum probably illegally trading software over ICQ. Also before I had any interest in web design.
# [19:55] <snover> think of how much money could be made if it was a url shortener instead!!!!
# [19:55] <JonathanNeal> haha
# [19:55] <Michael> snover, I'm all for that.
# [19:55] <JonathanNeal> Michael: you know much about dimginnovation.com ?
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# [19:56] <Michael> Disney Interactive Media Group
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# [19:56] <Michael> I used to be a part of it
# [19:56] <Michael> DIMG used to contract with PRO, and then PRO absorbed us. DIMG is mostly all creative folks now afaik
# [19:57] <JonathanNeal> Yea, that's what Eric is doing. Oh how part of me wishes I could have been an imagineer.
# [19:57] <Michael> :)
# [19:57] <Michael> I don't know what Imagineers do honestly haha
# [19:57] <Michael> We work with them but they're very to themselves
# [19:57] <JonathanNeal> Why we invent stuff sillyhead!
# [19:57] <Michael> hehe
# [19:57] <Michael> I always see company cars "WDI" and I'm like "WHAT DO YOU DO!?"
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# [19:57] <JonathanNeal> We sit around thinking of new ways to make elves appear.
# [19:57] <Michael> lol I see
# [19:58] <Michael> I figured they had something to do with overall ideas for in-park related thigns
# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> My cousin had a chance to revamp the swiss treehouse.
# [19:58] <Michael> Nice
# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> Although, I think a lot of folks didn't like it...
# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> But hey! He still got to do it.
# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> Yes, they focus a lot of their energy on in-park stuff, for sure.
# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> What do you do with them?
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# [20:00] <Michael> I work on web applications. Everything I do now is top secret, but previous projects include our World Resort booking engine, and disneycruise.com
# [20:00] <JonathanNeal> I had a dream in highschool I would become an imagineer and then revamp the tiki room. You know, they'd be like "you've got ideas, kid, you're such a good hard worker we are proud of you we love you you are good enough and you make us smile let us be the father you never had". ... wait a minute....
# [20:00] <Michael> HTML5, CSS3, Flash, some WebGL, jQuery, jBehave etc etc
# [20:00] <Michael> lol huh?
# [20:00] <JonathanNeal> So what brings you to these parts of IRC?
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# [20:01] <JonathanNeal> Is there a mobile version of disneycuirse?
# [20:01] <Michael> I've been coming here since Irish mentioned it in jQuery a long time ago
# [20:01] <acies> disneycurse or cruise?
# [20:01] <Michael> JonathanNeal, Wish I could comment :(
# [20:02] <Michael> I'll tell you that this is the biggest thing Disney has done since they opened the Magic Kingdom.
# [20:02] <acies> aww, cruise
# [20:02] <Michael> You'll know soon enough.
# [20:02] <JonathanNeal> I was asking presently.
# [20:02] <Michael> No
# [20:02] <Michael> That site launched in mid 2008
# [20:02] <Michael> I don't think smartphones were quite as big
# [20:03] <JonathanNeal> Well, you should check out the new funky cool stuff we're doing for mobile! And take from it and build something even more awesome.
# [20:03] <Michael> What's that?
# [20:03] <JonathanNeal> http://www.liferay.com/test-test
# [20:03] <Michael> sorry mid 2009
# [20:04] <Michael> Is that jquery-ui mobile?
# [20:04] <JonathanNeal> It's still very early in development, but basically websites that multi-device play nice.
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# [20:05] <JonathanNeal> No, but it's basically what you've been seeing with the viewport resolution based classnames.
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# [20:05] <Michael> JonathanNeal, We currently use Atlassian
# [20:06] <JonathanNeal> I only know them for JIRA, etc.
# [20:06] <JonathanNeal> Well, I was more or less just trying to show you the javascript for viewport resizing.
# [20:06] <Michael> Yeah JIRA, Bamboo for continuous integration, Fisheye for code reviews, Confluence (wiki)
# [20:06] <JonathanNeal> Coolness.
# [20:06] <Michael> Pretty neat stuff :)
# [20:06] <Michael> I'm bookmarking it
# [20:06] <JonathanNeal> Yea, you have a pretty neat job, I hope your working conditions are equally as cool.
# [20:07] <Michael> They are. The offices here aren't as cool as Google
# [20:07] <JonathanNeal> I'll put up a cooler demo of the viewport stuff in just a minute for you.
# [20:07] <Michael> But Glendale and Anaheim have awesome offices
# [20:07] <Michael> ok
# [20:07] <JonathanNeal> Where are you based?
# [20:07] <Michael> Celebration FL
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# [20:07] <Michael> Essentially part of Orlando & Lake Buena Vista
# [20:07] <JonathanNeal> Ah.
# [20:08] <JonathanNeal> *shakes fist* EPCOT!
# [20:08] <Michael> lol why shaking fist?
# [20:08] <Michael> DATWOs are awesome (drink around the world)
# [20:08] <JonathanNeal> Because I wanna live in an Experimental Prototype Community of Tommorow.
# [20:08] <Michael> oh lol
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# [20:08] <Michael> When was the last time you were here?
# [20:09] <JonathanNeal> I'm one of THOSE Disney fans, with my annual passport, going to Disney just to admire things and smile.
# [20:09] <Michael> Oh nice
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# [20:09] <JonathanNeal> I was making fun of myself, but thanks :)
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# [20:09] <JonathanNeal> I've never been to Florida.
# [20:09] <Michael> I love Epcot. Haven't been to the Magic Kingdom in years except for down in the tunnel or 'utilidor'
# [20:09] <JonathanNeal> I'd love to sometime.
# [20:09] <Michael> ohh I see
# [20:10] <JonathanNeal> They do sell an annual passport to both parks for only $1000
# [20:10] <Michael> It's not that much is it?
# [20:10] <Michael> You can do all parks + water parks for like $400 I thought
# [20:10] <Michael> At least in ther World Resort. Dunno about Land
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# [20:11] <Michael> We get less of a discount than FLorida residents, but corp. cast members also can get 3 people in per day so it's cool
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# [20:13] <JonathanNeal> I meant for Disneyland and Disneyword.
# [20:13] <JonathanNeal> *world
# [20:13] <Michael> It's really $1,000?
# [20:13] <Michael> Does that get you into all the parks in both resorts?
# [20:13] <JonathanNeal> Yea.
# [20:14] <Michael> Oh I see
# [20:17] <danbeam> https://twitter.com/#!/danbeam/status/68377822120521728 ~ self-promotion ~ (but a cool hack as well)
# [20:17] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/l7iqaz @danbeam: Reverse today's Google doodle with JavaScript - https://gist.github.com/966978 #javascript #sweet #hack
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# [20:18] <Michael> "Cannot read property 'childNodes' of null"
# [20:19] <Michael> oh wait
# [20:19] <Michael> didn't read the whole page
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# [20:23] <Michael> <plug> If there are any experienced web-devs who would like to live in Central Florida and work for one of the largest companies in the world, let me know!
# [20:23] <Michael> We're hiring full time, contract, staff, project hires
# [20:23] <aberry> front end?
# [20:23] <Michael> Yes
# [20:23] <Michael> +PHP experience
# [20:23] <obert-> \\o
# [20:24] <obert-> i will code html for food
# [20:24] <Michael> heheh
# [20:24] <aberry> ha ha been there!
# [20:24] <Michael> HTML5, CSS3, jQuery, Zend Framework
# [20:24] <Michael> PHP framework isn't important, just that you have PHP experience
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# [20:24] <obert-> zend is complex
# [20:24] <obert-> than mysql_connect
# [20:24] <Michael> And bloated lol
# [20:24] <Michael> I personally don't like PHP but it's what we use now.
# [20:25] <obert-> in 90s?:)
# [20:25] <Michael> Rails++
# [20:25] <obert-> html for life:P
# [20:26] <aberry> getting off topic but how does Zend rate compared to Smarty?
# [20:26] <obert-> what about hiring devs with carpal tunnel ?
# [20:26] <Michael> Zend Framework?
# [20:26] <Michael> Zend is the company
# [20:27] <Michael> ZF is a whole MVC framework
# [20:27] <obert-> zend fw has nothing to do with smarty
# [20:27] <Michael> You could use smarty as the templating language if you wanted.
# [20:27] <Michael> But the zend views are just pure PHP/html by default
# [20:27] <BrianBlakely> I'm looking for people in Central Manhattan
# [20:28] <BrianBlakely> Also, one of the largest companies in the world
# [20:28] <BrianBlakely> But with a mom & pop feel
# [20:28] <BrianBlakely> And free booze 24/7
# [20:31] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: lol
# [20:31] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: the last line is the selling point, lolol
# [20:31] <BrianBlakely> It wasn't a joke, either!
# [20:31] <tomh> http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ pretty neat
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# [20:32] <BrianBlakely> Two bars, and two floors of game rooms, which include videogames B)
# [20:32] <BrianBlakely> Plus, you get to work with me as you immediate supervisor
# [20:32] <BrianBlakely> I am a kind and magnanimous man
# [20:33] <tomh> BrianBlakely: what is your company?
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# [20:34] <danbeam> wish grantg was online, I/O is talking about audio api right now -- totally up his alley
# [20:35] <tomh> looking at it right now :)
# [20:35] <tomh> looks cool
# [20:35] <danbeam> tomh: ya
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# [20:35] <danbeam> tomh: these guys fucking rock
# [20:35] <danbeam> tomh: they're all the dudes (well one of them is) that ported Quake2 (well, Jake2) to WebGL last year
# [20:35] <tomh> would be even better if they brought it to chrome on android
# [20:35] <tomh> nice
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# [20:36] <danbeam> tomh: hahahaha
# [20:36] <danbeam> tomh: these guys are such movie buffs
# [20:37] <tomh> hopefully other browsers will pick up these api's
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# [20:40] <JonathanNeal> okay Michael, I've got that demo ready, I think.
# [20:40] <BrianBlakely> tomh: It's a division of Dentsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentsu)
# [20:40] <danbeam> tomh: they did say Firefox is close
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# [20:41] <tomh> BrianBlakely: seems like a pretty cool company, do they offer manhattan style payment too? :>
# [20:41] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: you may be interested too
# [20:41] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/normalize.css/demo.nine.test.html
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# [20:41] <JonathanNeal> ^ test that and resize your browser
# [20:42] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Very much so
# [20:42] <tomh> how about visa's?
# [20:42] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Prolly not :/
# [20:42] <tomh> hehe ok
# [20:42] <JonathanNeal> You can control layout, disney, style, all based on the viewport width, much like media queries.
# [20:42] <BrianBlakely> JonathanNeal: Disney?
# [20:42] <tomh> well was just curious, im not looking for a job atm, but i might be interested at a point to work in NYC :>
# [20:43] <tomh> as long as someone can get me a visa
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# [20:43] <JonathanNeal> what about Disney?
# [20:43] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: actually i removed dpi = 160 from mobile boilerplate
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> shichuan, why's that?
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> I thought we were normalizing the experience between android and iPhone.
# [20:44] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: cos people have been talking if things shld be pixel perfect
# [20:44] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Ah, well, I'm desperately trying to find a few good people for my team. It's tough to find good talent
# [20:44] <tomh> how come?
# [20:44] <BrianBlakely> JonathanNeal: "You can control layout, disney, style, all based…"
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> oh display
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> sorry, i've been talking about disney
# [20:44] <BrianBlakely> JonathanNeal: Hah
# [20:45] <tomh> there are lots of good universities in NYC right
# [20:45] <tomh> I guess they should train some good devs :)
# [20:45] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Some of the best. Web design education is terrible, awful, however
# [20:45] <tomh> ah you are looking for designers?
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# [20:45] <tomh> or frontend devs?
# [20:46] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Frontend devs… but the two intermingle
# [20:46] <obert-> programmers with design problems
# [20:46] <BrianBlakely> Good frontend is a multidisciplinary role
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# [20:46] <tomh> I can't design that good, but I'm still a frontend dev :>
# [20:46] <JonathanNeal> YOU CAN CONTROL DISNEY WITH THIS JAVASCRIPT!!!
# [20:46] <BrianBlakely> lol
# [20:46] <JonathanNeal> THE POWER IS YOURS
# [20:46] <tomh> but I can do backend dev on the other hand ~
# [20:47] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: if use 160dpi to make android display as 320, that's good a grid layout, but as a default boilerplate, we chose not to promote any specific pattern
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# [20:47] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Just like a graphic designer benefits from CSS, a frontend dev benefits from improving their design capability
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# [20:47] <BrianBlakely> ...IMO
# [20:47] <tomh> depends
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# [20:47] <tomh> usually I get to implement design
# [20:48] <obert-> frontend is hard job
# [20:48] <BrianBlakely> tomh: But you need to implement it artfully
# [20:48] <tomh> eh yeah ofcourse, but the art is all done by designers
# [20:48] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Graphic designers typically know jack-all about how software is made, and they mess up all the time
# [20:48] <kurrent> i wonder if the disney web team is prone to the same perverse easter eggs as the disney's animators are
# [20:48] <obert-> filling the targetted message via design is hard
# [20:48] <BrianBlakely> tomh: So a lot of our job is fixing other people's mistakes :P
# [20:48] <tomh> thats true :)
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# [20:48] <tomh> I can do that though
# [20:49] <tomh> but I wouldn't let myself design a complete layout for example
# [20:49] <tomh> there are people much better in that than me
# [20:49] <BrianBlakely> tomh: Then you're pretty well off, I'd say, but I do think you could benefit from more design training
# [20:49] <BrianBlakely> tomh: We all could!
# [20:49] <tomh> I wish!
# [20:49] <tomh> but I don't think you can train design :)
# [20:49] <tomh> its more about practicing often
# [20:50] <kurrent> train =/= practice
# [20:50] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: i will find a day to do something to your gridquery for mobile bp, will ping you once it's done
# [20:50] <tomh> kurrent: thats what I said
# [20:50] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: it's not so much about gridding it's about normalizing.
# [20:51] <Michael> JonathanNeal, URL?
# [20:52] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: i thought h5bp has some of these in?
# [20:52] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: but if you're going to let two handhelds look so different...
# [20:52] <JonathanNeal> Michael: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/normalize.css/demo.nine.test.html
# [20:52] <Michael> What is this?
# [20:53] <JonathanNeal> It's basically media queries in js form, and I built a grid that will let me control the layout and content of the page based on the viewport size.
# [20:53] <Michael> aha
# [20:53] <Michael> Oh cool :)
# [20:53] <JonathanNeal> It's a very lame example, but kinda shows off what you could do.
# [20:53] <Michael> Yeah! Neat stuff. Thank you :D
# [20:53] <Michael> Time for cake & icecream bbiab
# [20:53] <Michael> Bookmarking that btw
# [20:54] <JonathanNeal> nice, cake and icecream
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# [20:57] <BrianBlakely> What do we all think of this: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/stub-official-samsung-reveals-chrome-os-laptops/
# [20:57] <BrianBlakely> Will the web as an OS really catch on with a device like this?
# [20:57] <BrianBlakely> I'm not so sure about thar
# [20:57] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: we had a discussion https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/issues/16
# [20:57] <BrianBlakely> that*
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# [20:59] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: but of cos andreas's point was not valid, but it was Bryan Reiger who pointed out as a default, maybe the best is to left it undefined
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# [21:01] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: one thing we all agree is NEVER use target-densitydpi=device-dpi
# [21:02] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: we also had a super long disucssion about minimum-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0 with jeremy keith http://www.blog.highub.com/mobile-2/a-fix-for-iphone-viewport-scale-bug/
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# [21:04] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: so basically that allow you to zoom after the content has been set?
# [21:05] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: yea, it's not a perfect solution, but a compromise between accessibility and usability
# [21:06] <JonathanNeal> Right, that's okay.
# [21:06] <JonathanNeal> And then the separate issue is whether or not you let the andriod and iPhone scale differently on websites.
# [21:06] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: i know in current practice all companies uses minimum-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0
# [21:07] <JonathanNeal> Right, but that's because we've found it is easiest to make websites like apps.
# [21:07] <JonathanNeal> where zooming wouldn't be an issue.
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# [21:08] <shichuan> yea, but can't pass the pressure of some big experts, which is why we come out with this compromise solution
# [21:08] <JonathanNeal> right, i suppose.
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# [21:09] <JonathanNeal> So at one point you were on the other side.
# [21:09] <JonathanNeal> And now you've swapped it again
# [21:10] <JonathanNeal> What made you reopen and change sides?
# [21:12] <shichuan> JonathanNeal: you mean for dpi issue or scale issue?
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# [21:15] <It_is_I> Howdy.
# [21:16] <It_is_I> Not sure if anyone is awake, but I'd like to throw some HTML5 questions out there, if I may.
# [21:16] <uf0_work> do you guys have any solutions for @font-face looking crappy on PC?
# [21:17] <It_is_I> I'm curious if there is a "capture" control for an HTML5 video player. Something that will place an icon that takes a frame/screen shot of the video.
# [21:17] <BrianBlakely> uf0_work: Shouldn't look crappy if your browser isn't crappy
# [21:18] <It_is_I> Something like this exist?
# [21:18] <uf0_work> BrianBlakely: let me be more specific.. FF3.6, IE8/7
# [21:19] <shichuan> It_is_I: http://www.sanraul.com/2009/12/17/using-html5-canvas-to-capture-frames-from-a-video/
# [21:19] <uf0_work> BrianBlakely: i'm also wondering about anti-aliasing in windows in general
# [21:19] <It_is_I> Checking it out now. Thanks, shichuan. Are you Chinese, btw?
# [21:20] <BrianBlakely> uf0_work: Depends on user settings. If ClearType is enabled, you get better anti-aliasing
# [21:20] <shichuan> It_is_I: i am indeed a chinese
# [21:20] <uf0_work> BrianBlakely: aware of that one
# [21:20] <BrianBlakely> shichuan: Where from? My wife is from Hubei, Xiangfan :)
# [21:20] <It_is_I> 太好了！
# [21:20] <uf0_work> anyway to force cleartype on both ie8/7 if it's disabled
# [21:21] <BrianBlakely> uf0_work: Sadly no
# [21:21] <It_is_I> 非常感謝！
# [21:21] <uf0_work> ok brings up another font-face question
# [21:22] <shichuan> It_is_I: wow, you are chinese too?
# [21:22] <uf0_work> WebOnly™ in fontsquirrel is an option
# [21:22] <shichuan> 中国人?
# [21:22] <uf0_work> what exactly does that do?
# [21:22] <It_is_I> Nah. But I type and speak it. :O)
# [21:22] <shichuan> cool :)
# [21:23] <It_is_I> 可見你來自中國。
# [21:23] <It_is_I> 對吧。
# [21:23] <It_is_I> You typed Simplified Chinese. :) Where you from?
# [21:23] <shichuan> It_is_I: 对：）
# [21:23] <BrianBlakely> Wo hui shuo yidian putonghua :P
# [21:23] <JonathanNeal> shichuan: for https://github.com/shichuan/mobile-html5-boilerplate/issues/16
# [21:24] <tw2113> cream of sum yun gui?
# [21:24] <shichuan> yea, mainland china, which is why i use Simplified
# [21:24] <It_is_I> Brian. Hao bang oh!
# [21:24] <shichuan> wow, omg
# [21:24] <shichuan> all can speak chinese
# [21:24] <It_is_I> Mainland where? Are you there now?
# [21:24] <It_is_I> 哈哈！
# [21:24] <BrianBlakely> xiexie It_is_I
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# [21:25] <shichuan> It_is_I: my hometown is tianjin, but i sometimes stay overseas, like now in singapore
# [21:25] <It_is_I> Brian, just try to learn new/more words each day. It is a fun language, as I'm sure you're aware.
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# [21:26] <It_is_I> 了解，很好。
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# [21:26] <It_is_I> Hope you don't mind, I type Traditional characters. It is easier for me. :)
# [21:27] <shichuan> it's perfectly fine :)
# [21:27] <shichuan> actually there are some chinese in china also like traditional chinese
# [21:27] <shichuan> i chose simplified cos it's easier and faster to write
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# [21:29] <It_is_I> I see. I read a lot of simplified, as there many books coming out of China, but I just type traditional out of habit.
# [21:30] <It_is_I> And I read better tan I type. :(
# [21:30] <It_is_I> 我輸入比較慢。
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# [21:30] <shichuan> It_is_I: arh, have you been to China before? or hk, tw?
# [21:31] <shichuan> your chinese is really good
# [21:31] <It_is_I> 臺灣，香港，澳門
# [21:31] <It_is_I> Not China, though.
# [21:31] <shichuan> what kind of chinese book you read?
# [21:32] <It_is_I> 關於運動 :)
# [21:32] <It_is_I> Sports books, mostly.
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# [21:33] <It_is_I> 你呢？
# [21:33] <shichuan> arh, ok :) i read like fiction, non-fiction as well
# [21:34] <shichuan> and classic novel
# [21:34] <It_is_I> And HTML? LOL
# [21:34] <shichuan> i am translating h5bp into chinese now :)
# [21:35] <jovrtn> cool
# [21:35] <shichuan> actually in terms of tech words, i am better at english, i am trying to create a lookup table on a chinese html5 site
# [21:35] <It_is_I> h5bp 是什麼東西？
# [21:36] <shichuan> h5bp is html5 boilerplate
# [21:36] <It_is_I> Oh, ok. I'm not a developer.
# [21:37] <shichuan> you are a designer?
# [21:37] <It_is_I> Or a designer, LOL. Just a site owner. Here trying to learn about this HTML5 thingie. :)
# [21:38] <It_is_I> I just write the checks for other to develop and design.
# [21:38] <It_is_I> others
# [21:39] <shichuan> arh, ok
# [21:42] <aberry> obert- will code html for food
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# [21:47] <jovrtn> shichuan: do you think chrome frame is being installed much in china?
# [21:48] <shichuan> jovrtn: i don't think so, i am planning to create a one page site to promote chrome frame and ie9
# [21:48] <shichuan> in multi language
# [21:48] <jovrtn> neat
# [21:48] <shichuan> mainly target china, japan and korea
# [21:48] <jovrtn> would people be likely to actually install it if prompted to?
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# [21:51] <shichuan> jovrtn: currently it's a bit difficult
# [21:53] <jovrtn> yeah I feel like there has to be a better way than a catch-all installation prompt
# [21:53] <shichuan> cos the chrome frame api doesn't have an option to choose default language
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# [21:54] <jovrtn> the api is pretty flexible, it should be possible to direct people to custom prompt screens
# [21:54] <jovrtn> but you'd have to do header language detection as well
# [21:54] <shichuan> jovrtn: you work for chrome?
# [21:54] <jovrtn> no, i've just been reading the chromium docs
# [21:54] <jovrtn> I posted that H5BP issue about the chrome frame prompt
# [21:55] <shichuan> arh i see
# [21:56] <shichuan> i am going offline soon, but i may set up the one page thing in the next couple of days
# [21:56] <shichuan> will share the link with you, can further discuss
# [21:56] <jovrtn> cool, please do
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# [21:57] <shichuan> i can just look for u on github right?
# [21:57] <jovrtn> yeah
# [21:57] <shichuan> ok, will catch up
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# [22:02] <grumpytoad> adobe had a conference concentrating on html5, if anyone is interested (u need flash to play it tho):
# [22:03] <grumpytoad> http://bit.ly/iqvwBL
# [22:07] <grumpytoad> (btw, that is a shameless plug, i am maintainer of jeash)
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# [22:12] <grumpytoad> if you want to know more about haxe there was also a conference recently with lots of videos: http://bit.ly/kb2e6w
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# [22:16] <Michael> http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/carrot-car.jpg
# [22:18] <danbeam> Michael: sweet
# [22:18] <Michael> haha I know
# [22:19] <jovrtn> wouldn't that be a 'car-rot'?
# [22:19] <Michael> rotting car?
# [22:19] <Michael> jk yeah that's funny
# [22:19] <jovrtn> haha
# [22:19] <jovrtn> thx
# [22:20] <Michael> :D
# [22:21] <moo-_-> chrome.angrybirds.com
# [22:21] <Michael> WHAAAAAAAAAAA
# [22:21] <Michael> OMG
# [22:22] <moo-_-> hehe ;)
# [22:22] <Michael> SWEET
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# [22:37] <Michael> snarrrf
# [22:38] <rynkan> hey, anyone good on canvas? im playing with this http://rijad.se, now i want to add an image aswell to the canvas when i click "add image to canvas" how would i go on doing that?
# [22:39] <rynkan> or more exactly: ad the image to its on canvas, resize it, then put it on the regular canvas :/
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# [22:43] <danbeam> rynkan: context.drawImage() http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#images
# [22:43] <danbeam> rynkan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images#drawImage
# [22:44] <rynkan> cool! thx!
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# [22:44] <danbeam> rynkan: np
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# [22:51] <cgcardona> paul_irish: can i send you a pm?
# [22:51] <paul_irish> yes
# [22:51] <paul_irish> just do.
# [22:51] <tw2113> stop being so polite carlos
# [22:52] <tw2113> just do it
# [22:52] <paul_irish> plus you've drank with me
# [22:52] <paul_irish> i think that is like + pm permission
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# [22:53] <cgcardona> haha. i'll keep that in mind
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# [23:11] <digitalfiz> hey guys would it be possible to combine google maps with canvas to create some type of color map of data?
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# [23:11] <JonathanNeal> hi
# [23:11] <jovrtn> why it gotta be a colored map?
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# [23:11] <digitalfiz> like i want to take the crime data from city-data.com and overlay colors over google maps to show the crime rates
# [23:13] <digitalfiz> dunno if its even feasible but just a though that popped into my head when looking for a nice place to live outside of nyc :P
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# [23:18] <croby> It appears as though -moz-box-shadow will cause the box to trigger an overflow in FF3.6 - is this a known issue or the expected behavior?
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# [23:58] <grantg> danbeam: Oh dear god why?!? http://chrome.angrybirds.com/
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# [23:59] <grantg> The only HTML5 app I do not approve of. :/
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