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# Session Start: Wed Jun 22 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:30] <paul_irish> moo-_-: http://oksoclap.com/canvasoptimizations
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# [00:35] <moo-_-> paul_irish: thanks
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# [01:16] <danbeam> anybody know if autocomplete="off" works everywhere?
# [01:17] <danbeam> and by everywhere I mean IE6+
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# [01:17] <danbeam> (including IE6)
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# [01:18] <robertfw> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3868299/is-autocomplete-off-compatible-with-all-modern-browsers
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# [01:19] <danbeam> robertfw: thanks
# [01:19] <robertfw> np :)
# [01:19] <danbeam> robertfw: I'll confirm, I have about the same set of browsers, :)
# [01:21] <chiisana> Does HTML5 treat white spaces between tags differently? I have <ul>__newline____tab__<li>some content</li>__newline__tab__<li>some other content</li>__newline__</ul> and I'm getting spaces between the li nodes; but if I remove the __newline____tab__ (so it looks like: <li>some content</li><li>some other content</li>), the white spaces no longer appear
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# [01:22] <chiisana> I have the margin and paddings set to 0 already.
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# [01:28] <cheilmann> shouldn't - depends on the browser
# [01:29] <cheilmann> IE had terrible bugs with whitespace in between tags
# [01:29] <chiisana> it's croping up in chrome and safari.... I think adding a float: left in css seem to have fixed it though.
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# [05:51] <danbeam> for those of us that think we know git -- feel less accomplished while running `make man` while making from source (and seeing all these git commands I've never even heard of)
# [05:51] <danbeam> https://gist.github.com/1039466
# [05:51] <danbeam> :/
# [05:51] <danbeam> dgathright and I had fun making up real world scenarios involving the commands though
# [05:51] <tw2113> danbeam....git makes you feel like less of a man suddenly?
# [05:52] <danbeam> tw2113: definitely
# [05:52] <danbeam> tw2113: always has
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# [05:55] <dgathright> It's how you use it - git-shortlog
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# [05:57] <danbeam> dgathright: mwhahahaha
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# [06:13] <danbeam> anybody here really good at JavaScript and live in Southern California (or would move there for a sweet job)?
# [06:14] <danbeam> if so, PM me
# [06:14] <paul_irish> >_>
# [06:15] <danbeam> paul_irish: I'm not a recruiter, lulz
# [06:15] <danbeam> paul_irish: or I'm the most anal, technical recruiter ever
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# [06:15] <paul_irish> we'll see about that.
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# [06:17] <danbeam> paul_irish: heh
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# [06:19] * tw2113 knows what's up
# [06:20] <tw2113> danbeam is leaving yahoo to become a rabbi
# [06:20] <tw2113> he keeps singing songs from Fiddler On The Roof too
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# [08:17] <txt23> hey guys when you move your mouse over the "right" arrow (http://www.google.com/insidesearch/features.html) it animates. How can you do that in HTML5?
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# [08:19] <ryanseddon> without looking it could be css3 transitions
# [08:19] <txt23> ryanseddon: yea I was thinking that too. May be I'll try and let you know. Thanks man
# [08:19] <ryanseddon> hmm, hovering over the right arrow doesn't do anything for me in chrome
# [08:19] <txt23> ryanseddon: You sure?
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# [08:20] <ryanseddon> yeah nothing, you're talking about the blue arrows right?
# [08:20] <retlehs> it's css3
# [08:20] <retlehs> http://www.googleinsidesearch.com/css/features.css
# [08:21] <retlehs> search for 'transition' where the arrows are styled
# [08:21] <retlehs> you'll see what you need there
# [08:21] <txt23> retlehs: Oh nice. I was just curious about it. Thanks mate
# [08:21] <retlehs> np
# [08:22] <ryanseddon> heh, refresh fixed the non animating issue
# [08:23] <txt23> cool. yea there is "-moz-transition: all 0.2s ease-out 0s;" that does it. Google guys are pretty damn smart :)
# [08:24] <ryanseddon> don't forget the other prefixs
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# [12:17] <jetienne> i do document.createElement('audio').canPlayType('audio/mpeg') and got "maybe" ... this is usefull diagnostic :)
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# [12:35] <asonge> jetienne: specify the codec
# [12:35] <asonge> mpeg is only the "container"
# [12:36] <asonge> canPlayType('audio/mpeg; codecs="mp3"')
# [12:36] <asonge> similarly, you can use 'audio/ogg; codecs="vorbis"'
# [12:36] <asonge> for ogg/vorbis
# [12:37] <jetienne> asonge: oh! thanks a bunch
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# [12:40] <asonge> jetienne: probably is the best answer i ever get, btw
# [12:41] <asonge> so, check for probably or yes, and if so it'll probably play it...though i've run into instances on some android phones where the codec detection is optimistic at best (if they download opera, it'll install a codec on the handset for everyone to use)
# [12:42] <jetienne> asonge: ok
# [12:43] <jetienne> asonge: you seems to have a lot of experience with the html5 audio tag, i looked for a way to sync the playing with a visual effect
# [12:44] <jetienne> asonge: i launch a large mp3/ogg and i need to do visual effect in sync with the music. like a flash on every drum or something
# [12:44] <jetienne> asonge: how can i start the sound playing at the moment i want ?
# [12:44] <jetienne> asonge: on linux, the latency between .play() and the sound is > 0.5ms and i fail to predict it
# [12:45] <asonge> erm, i've just been playing with it recently
# [12:45] <jetienne> cool :)
# [12:45] <asonge> there's probably some other method to do everything but actually play the song
# [12:46] <jetienne> i dont understand what you mean
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# [12:46] <asonge> well, there's lots of things that have to happen before the audio starts playing
# [12:47] <asonge> it has to test the capabilities of the server, then it's got to pull down enough data to buffer, then it plays
# [12:47] <asonge> you can do everything but actually play the audio...priming the pump so to speak, i just have to look up the methods
# [12:47] <jetienne> yep maybe some events we can use
# [12:48] <jetienne> ok i will keep experimenting. this is my task of the day :)
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# [12:49] <asonge> hrm, seems like you can't do that
# [12:49] <asonge> i think you might hack it out though
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# [12:49] <jetienne> any hint on how ?
# [12:50] <asonge> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox#Media_events
# [12:51] <jetienne> ok :))
# [12:51] <asonge> okay, try doing audio.play(); then when you receive loadeddata, do audio().pause()
# [12:51] <jetienne> well i got this page opened for the last 5h :)
# [12:51] <asonge> erm, audio.pause();
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# [12:52] <jetienne> i like the base64 stuff, it removes the network+cache from the equation
# [12:58] <dr0id> Is the Doctype optional in HTML5 ?
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# [13:02] <asonge> jetienne: i really feel dumb...there's a load method on audio
# [13:03] <asonge> so audio.load(); then wait for the loadeddata event, then audio.play();
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# [13:03] <asonge> dr0id: technically, yes...but it's a rather small doctype
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# [13:06] <dr0id> asonge: its small, yes. but is it true its only being used to make old browsers (that do not suppoer HTML5) render standards mode ? and as all browsers start supporting HTML5, we won't need to specify it.
# [13:07] <asonge> i honestly don't know...and i'll be supporting older browsers for a while
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# [13:41] <jetienne> is there a little tool to convert file in base64 url ?
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# [13:43] <remy> Any folks around to answer an appcache question?
# [13:43] <bot-t> (498 hours ago) <miketaylr> tell remy http://twitter.com/oskar/status/7982669801 :P
# [13:43] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/kbePrR @oskar: No way, jsbin.com ripped off jsfiddle.net big time! That's what happens when you feel the competition breathing down your neck...
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# [13:48] <dr0id> http://google.com
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# [14:35] <jetienne> ff feedback... the amount of click during an ff update is thru the roof... im sure one got at least 5 popups + 10 click
# [14:35] <jetienne> or more :)
# [14:35] <jetienne> i should have counter
# [14:36] <jetienne> counted
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# [14:46] <alisalaah> I prefer how Chrome updates
# [14:47] <alisalaah> Would be awesome if every browser updated like Chrome, even IE users wouldn't be as bad because they would all be on IE9 right now, which is workable
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# [14:50] <Ms2ger> jetienne, please file a bug
# [14:52] <jetienne> Ms2ger: as in "less pop+click during update" ?
# [14:52] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [14:53] <jetienne> Ms2ger: it isnt really a bug. i mean they are aware that the users needs to click a lot to update
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# [14:54] <jetienne> Ms2ger: this is more like a policy.
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> The policy is to make updates as easy as possible
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# [15:38] <jetienne> chrome 12 requires you to attach the <audio> element in the dom but ff5 refuses to play it if you do... html5 gamedev for fun :)
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# [16:25] <cgcardona> yo
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# [16:31] <dr0id> yo
# [16:31] <dr0id> custom attributes need to be prefixed with data- or data ?
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# [16:31] <cgcardona> data-
# [16:31] <cgcardona> data-carlos="stoked"
# [16:31] <dr0id> ok
# [16:31] <dr0id> nimbu:
# [16:32] <nimbu> dr0id: ?
# [16:32] <nimbu> data-
# [16:32] <nimbu> what cgcardona said
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# [16:33] <dr0id> nimbu: you work for opera ? I think I came across your blog somewhere
# [16:33] <dr0id> nimbu pani is lemonade, yeah :P
# [16:34] <dr0id> or maybe its not you, sorry for the highlight :)
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# [16:43] <nimbu> dr0id: i DO work for opera.
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# [16:43] <nimbu> dr0id: yes that is correct.
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# [16:44] <dr0id> aah, cool
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# [17:02] <derekjohnson> hello
# [17:02] <derekjohnson> Why is nav sectioning content?
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# [17:07] <Wilto> Because it… Lends semantic weight to its contents? I’m not 100% sure what you’re asking, derekjohnson.
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# [17:13] <derekjohnson> Wilto: Why does it create a section in the document outline like section, article and aside?
# [17:13] <Wilto> derekjohnson: Sorry, I’m still not certain what the question is. Since you’re using them to delineate sections of the page—that could potentially have a heading of their own—it’s considered a sectioning element.
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# [17:18] <derekjohnson> Wilto: Yeah, I get why section, article and aside work like that, but I've probably never given nav a heading, and I've never considered it a sub-section of the document.
# [17:20] <Wilto> Yeah, I follow you. It’s a little strange, but it makes more sense when you look at it from a potential accessibility standpoint.
# [17:21] <Wilto> If you have two <nav> on a page, they should have headings—even if you’re hiding them in a way that only screen-readers will pick them up. "Primary Site Navigation," "Links to Related Sites," that kind of thing.
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# [17:22] <Wilto> It stands to reason that one <nav> means you can make the assumption that, y’know, it’s the site nav.
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# [17:28] <derekjohnson> Yes, good thinking indeed. You would want an explicit section to limit the scope of the heading in that case. Thanks man.
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# [17:28] <Wilto> Anytime!
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# [18:06] <paul_irish> http://nizoapp.com/
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# [18:10] <paul_irish> http://subtlepatterns.com/ we're gonna need these in css..
# [18:10] <nimbu> a lot of them you cannot do in css.
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# [18:15] <skylamer`> with some svg u can :)
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# [18:16] <nimbu> yeah thats the next best thing.
# [18:20] <Wilto> Not that I should talk, but I kind of live in fear of a pure CSS “add noise” method.
# [18:20] <nimbu> :)
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# [18:24] <danbeam> http://spritecow.com
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# [18:34] <thatryan> just bought this yay http://www.sitepoint.com/books/htmlcss1/
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# [18:45] <paul_irish> the first two pages are exxxcellent
# [18:45] <nimbu> :)
# [18:46] <thatryan> lol i heard you wrote a foreward ;)
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# [20:23] <skylamer`> hey davidwalsh, whats goikng :)
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# [20:25] <davidwalsh> skylamer`: What's up
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# [20:26] <skylamer`> aLlz fine
# [20:26] <skylamer`> any new testas and demoz by you or some thing u want to share? :D)
# [20:28] <davidwalsh> skylamer`: Still working out Templated
# [20:28] <davidwalsh> For Moo
# [20:28] <skylamer`> r u suggesting thiz "less" and "sass" for using with ? in general css frameworks
# [20:28] <skylamer`> :) nice
# [20:29] <skylamer`> i m not using css frameworkz now
# [20:29] <skylamer`> its making more nicer the work ?
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# [20:31] <skylamer`> i dont know with what exactly they can be bettar
# [20:32] <skylamer`> apart from coolz mixins
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# [20:33] <paul_irish> so my talk in NYC... they asked for like.. a short description of what i'm discussing and why its important
# [20:34] <paul_irish> and i gave them that so they can publish it.. and at the end i added "... also free jelly beans."
# [20:34] <paul_irish> i feel real good about this.
# [20:34] <tw2113> mmm jelly beans
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# [21:12] <thatryan> are jelly beans part of html5? :)
# [21:13] <tw2113> they should be
# [21:13] <tw2113> a new meta tag
# [21:15] <plh_> and a flavor attribute
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# [21:16] <tw2113> <meta name="jellybeans" content="pear, popcorn, licorice, banana cream pie" />
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# [21:21] <thatryan> lol
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# [21:53] <alisalaah> so now i can taste my websites! amazing
# [21:53] <alisalaah> i would be hesitant to allow any <smell> tags though...
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# [22:06] <Ramosa> what do you use to document your JS ?
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# [22:09] <alisalaah> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1221413/what-tools-are-available-for-documenting-javascript
# [22:10] <Ramosa> just were there, but thats not your oppinion :-p
# [22:10] <alisalaah> and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/799179/javascript-standard-documentation-tool
# [22:10] <alisalaah> well i dont have one
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# [22:10] <alisalaah> so i just refer to stac overflow
# [22:10] <alisalaah> :D
# [22:10] <Ramosa> stack is usually right
# [22:11] <alisalaah> I've usually went with whatever methods are in place
# [22:12] <alisalaah> Last project it meant almost no documentation, and my current is GWT based so I don't get much chance for JS usage
# [22:12] <Ramosa> i thought about Natural Docs
# [22:12] <paul_irish> depends.
# [22:13] <paul_irish> naturaldocs is for API
# [22:13] <Ramosa> but dont like the command line tool much, and perl dependency
# [22:13] <paul_irish> docco is for literate programming
# [22:13] <paul_irish> IMHO handwritten docs are best
# [22:14] <Ramosa> not sure i get the idea of docco
# [22:14] <alisalaah> ive always gone the manual documentation route
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# [22:14] <snover> Ramosa: I’m pretty sure there is no particularly good idea behind it :)
# [22:14] <paul_irish> haha
# [22:15] <paul_irish> its good if you want people to read your source to understand your internals
# [22:15] <Ramosa> maybe its a good thing to leave documentation outside the code.. especially if you use a versioning system
# [22:15] <paul_irish> but.. that shouldnt be the case for 90% of your users
# [22:15] <snover> <a href="code.js">please view source</a>
# [22:16] <Ramosa> oh about users, nobody is going to use my sources but me
# [22:16] <Ramosa> i document for my own enlightenment
# [22:16] <Ramosa> if I put the project away for a year, i need to understand it again :)
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# [22:18] <danbeam> snover, paul_irish did/do you like writing code without doc metadata in jQuery?
# [22:18] <danbeam> and writing doc by hand (not sure if you guys did or not)
# [22:18] <danbeam> v.s. trying to stuff JSDoc-ish comments above every method?
# [22:19] <snover> danbeam: there’s a separate docs team for jquery that handles the documentation; the only reason that really works is because the api is small
# [22:19] <danbeam> snover: yeah, I figured
# [22:19] <Ramosa> yeah jQuery is custom format
# [22:19] <danbeam> snover: it seems like the best idea
# [22:19] <snover> Personally for the time being I’d recommend jsdoc toolkit 2
# [22:19] <danbeam> snover: alot of the time you don't have to be good at explaining things (or at written language) to be good at writing code, :)
# [22:20] <Ramosa> snover, isnt jsdoc toolkit just another API generator? it doesnt change the actual JSDoc format right?
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# [22:20] <danbeam> snover: and I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the other JS libs that embed jsdoc comments >_> <_<
# [22:20] <snover> beyond just being a reasonable and common format for documentation, smart IDEs like Komodo parse and use them to improve code intelligence
# [22:20] <Ramosa> WebStorm/PHPStorm/IDEA also smart :)
# [22:20] <snover> Ramosa: jsdoc toolkit supercedes jsdoc
# [22:20] <danbeam> snover: so if you're hovering over a method it'll give you metadata about it?
# [22:21] <Ramosa> snover, but you still use @param and @return etc. ?
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# [22:21] <snover> Ramosa: yes
# [22:21] <Ramosa> Closure Compiler very much depends on JSDoc too
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# [22:21] <Ramosa> sometimes it can't understand your code, if using an API like say mootools
# [22:21] <Ramosa> because mootools overrides the standard Element etc.
# [22:21] <danbeam> Ramosa: closure compiler uses @return as a type hint, no?
# [22:22] <danbeam> Ramosa: as well as @param
# [22:22] <Ramosa> no not those.. but I had to use @this {Type} to make it understand the this object, otherwise i got "Dangerous use of the global this object"
# [22:22] <Ramosa> as advanced compilation flattens your code
# [22:22] <Ramosa> but that actually broke my IDE's intellisense
# [22:22] <danbeam> k
# [22:23] <Ramosa> so currently I can't get Mootools and Closure cooperating
# [22:23] <snover> CC has a bunch of different hints that it uses depending upon what mode you are running it in
# [22:23] <Ramosa> yes.. but even at simple compiling i couldnt get rid of all warnings
# [22:23] <danbeam> you could use >_> <_< YUI Compressor
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# [22:23] <Ramosa> now I just use it to whitespace, concatenate and prettyprint
# [22:24] <paul_irish>
# [22:24] <paul_irish> http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/06/22/microsoft
# [22:24] <Ramosa> YUI? well yeah but thats Yahoo.. :)
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# [22:24] <snover> paul_irish: that was pretty excellent. :)
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# [22:24] <danbeam> Ramosa: :_(
# [22:25] <snover> Ramosa: I dunno what crazy flags you were using; by default CC barely peeps
# [22:25] <danbeam> snover: probably advanced mode
# [22:25] <Ramosa> http://minimalreadership.blogspot.com/2011/02/mootools-and-closure-compiler.html
# [22:25] <Ramosa> im not the only one who hit a wall with mootools :)
# [22:25] <danbeam> snover: but even then it doesn't look at that, iirc
# [22:26] <Ramosa> also closure compiler depends on externs files, and no such for mootools
# [22:26] <snover> Ramosa: you don’t need an externs file unless you are trying to do advanced optimizations
# [22:26] <Ramosa> and you can't ignore files and even specific warnigns... so basically you have to fix third party code to make everything compile
# [22:26] <snover> you don’t need *any* code hinting except for advanced optimizations
# [22:27] <Ramosa> I need externs.. even in simple mode
# [22:27] <snover> and unless you have written your code from the start to work with advanced optimizations and know exactly what that entails, your code will *never* work in advanced optimization mode
# [22:27] <danbeam> snover: does anybody do this that you know of?
# [22:27] <Ramosa> probably.. and that's where I think closure compiler gets a bit over the top for me :) i dont want to change my coding habits, I just want code that follows conventions
# [22:27] <snover> Ramosa: I don’t know what to tell you. I used to use CC without externs in simple mode all the time.
# [22:27] <Ramosa> at least I can Lint
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# [22:28] <danbeam> snover, paul_irish I know jQuery uses CC but I doubt they rewrote the lib for this purpose
# [22:28] <snover> danbeam: no, jquery uses uglifyjs.
# [22:28] <danbeam> snover: oh
# [22:28] <Ramosa> snover.. if I dont include webkit_console.js extern i can't even compile console.log("test");
# [22:28] <snover> it used to use cc, then we changed it
# [22:28] <danbeam> snover: my bad, they used CC in the past, right?
# [22:28] <snover> because uglify is faster and better.
# [22:28] <danbeam> yeah, ok
# [22:28] <danbeam> cool
# [22:28] <Ramosa> i dont even use closure as an obfuscator
# [22:28] <snover> Ramosa: ur doin it wrang.
# [22:29] <Ramosa> snover, enlighten me :)
# [22:29] <danbeam> even web inspector uses uglify, lol, and that's 50% google
# [22:29] <snover> Ramosa: remove the command-line flags you have added to cause CC to do all the extra checks that cause errors
# [22:29] <Ramosa> snover, oh you see I use the Ant task
# [22:29] <Ramosa> so I have not access to flags
# [22:29] <Ramosa> I think
# [22:31] <snover> Ramosa: I don’t have ant.
# [22:31] <Ramosa> http://code.google.com/p/closure-compiler/source/browse/trunk/src/com/google/javascript/jscomp/ant/CompileTask.java
# [22:31] <Ramosa> that's pretty much what I can change
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# [22:33] <m1chael> i have a page with hundreds of mp3 links, i believe like 5-10 are broken (FILE DOES NOT EXIST) .. anyone have any tricks with finding the broken links??
# [22:33] <danbeam> m1chael: are the on the same domain?
# [22:33] <danbeam> m1chael: or are you using Perl? :)
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# [22:34] <paul_irish> Recent webapps with very specific purposes, done well: http://hexna.me http://spritecow.com http://gradient-scanner.com
# [22:34] <paul_irish> i feel like i'm missing one.
# [22:34] <m1chael> they are on the same domain, but this is a godaddy server and i cant ssh in to it
# [22:34] <paul_irish> suggestions?
# [22:35] <danbeam> m1chael: my $mech = Test::WWW::Mechanize->new; $mech->get_ok('http://mypage.com'); $mech->page_links_ok();
# [22:35] <snover> Ramosa: are you changing any of the variables?
# [22:36] <snover> properties*
# [22:36] <snover> like warninglevel
# [22:36] <Ramosa> snover <jscomp compilationLevel="simple" warning="verbose" debug="false" output="buiold/main.js" prettyprint="true">
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# [22:36] <snover> Ramosa: don’t set warninglevel to verbose.
# [22:37] <snover> that is not the default setting
# [22:37] <Ramosa> oops :)
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# [22:37] <danbeam> m1chael: Array.prototype.forEach.call(document.querySelectorAll('a[href$=".mp3"]'), function(el){ /* do a head on the links with jQuery or something */ });
# [22:37] <danbeam> m1chael: in JS
# [22:38] <danbeam> m1chael: PM me if either of those sound useful
# [22:38] <Ramosa> snover, it works! how could I miss that
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# [22:38] <snover> that’s why i get paid the big bucks, or something…
# [22:38] <snover> :P
# [22:40] <Ramosa> heh, I see you are in jQuery too.. perhaps you can help me nail one problem I've been spending a week to grasp too :)
# [22:41] <paul_irish> gl with that dude
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# [22:43] <Ramosa> btw. are JSDoc's allowed to be on one line? @constructor @param myparam etc.
# [22:43] <Ramosa> i guess @ is the beginning of a new, so no need for a newline
# [22:43] <snover> I don’t think so but I’m not sure.
# [22:45] <Ramosa> closure compiler doesnt complain about it, neither does the IDE
# [22:45] <Ramosa> but i wouldnt know about the API generator as I dont have it
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# [22:53] <Ramosa> html5 requires a whole other business plan than flash :) because of the availability of the sources
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# [23:03] <ryanneufeld> paul_irish: yt?
# [23:04] <ryanneufeld> ?tell paul_irish Please find who ever did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4&feature=player_embedded and give them the biggest possible high five for me. The progress bar is pure win.
# [23:04] <bot-t> ryanneufeld, Okay.
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# [23:07] <danbeam> ryanneufeld: heh, yeah, noticed that a little while ago
# [23:07] <danbeam> ryanneufeld: epic, right?
# [23:07] <ryanneufeld> so epic
# [23:07] <ryanneufeld> I love that they get in on the jokes
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# [23:33] <paul_irish> ryanneufeld: msg delivered.
# [23:33] <bot-t> (28 mins 30 secs ago) <ryanneufeld> tell paul_irish Please find who ever did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4&feature=player_embedded and give them the biggest possible high five for me. The progress bar is pure win.
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# [23:33] <paul_irish> ack.
# [23:33] <paul_irish> http://blog.flurry.com/bid/63907/Mobile-Apps-Put-the-Web-in-Their-Rear-view-Mirror stab stab stab
# [23:33] <ryanneufeld> paul_irish: thx
# [23:34] <paul_irish> was telling my hs gf why web apps are better than native apps
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# [23:34] <paul_irish> and after trying to explain the value of hyperlinks
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# [23:34] <paul_irish> she finally said "oh like.. i hate that i can't play Words With Friends with anyone... like why can't that be on the web?!"
# [23:34] <paul_irish> and i was like YEAH bro.
# [23:34] <paul_irish> why indeed
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# [23:43] <Jon47> what does this mean "And for the web, our figures include the open web, Facebook and the mobile web. "
# [23:43] <Jon47> is facebook not part of the open or mobile web?
# [23:43] <Jon47> is the mobile web not open?
# [23:44] <danbeam> are we native yet?
# [23:44] <danbeam> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
# [23:44] <Jon47> what the fuck is the open web!
# [23:45] * danbeam lolz every time
# [23:45] <Jon47> does it include the mobile tube?
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# [23:53] <danbeam> moo-_-: that's kinda true, lulz
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